IT IS WHAT IT IS - EPISODE 18 #ITISWHATITISTALK

Episode Date: June 7, 2023

LEBRON & THE LAKERS GET SWEPT...

I said it's only one. Oh, he ain't got it. He ain't got it. He done heard his tongue. Welcome back to the What It Is. I'm Tresha Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your hosts, Camp and Mace. What's up? What's up? What's good? I'm good, man. What's up? It's crazy out here. It's crazy? Yeah, it's crazy out here, man. Well, what's even crazier is the NBA Conference Finals. The Lakers are officially out after losing all four games to the Nuggets. On the Lakers, let's just get straight to it. Who showed up and what should they do during the offseason? Hmm.

Denver Janitorial Services showed up. With the street sweeper? Yeah. They showed up with a broom. They showed up with'm still waiting on the invoice to be paid we call Rob Palenka he's in the money yeah look what I'll say is this. Look, there's no way to put it a nice way. They stuck this shit up. They stuck it up. What pissed me off in game four is that it was moments in the game when they act like they was winning the series

because they was winning the game. Like the nigga Austin Reeves. He talk about something. I'm like, nigga, who is down 0-3? I don't care if y'all won this game by 100. Do not run down the court talking about something. What the fuck is you doing, nigga?

Like, where did you go when y'all niggas is down 0-3? And Anthony Davis, look, I was about to say something I shouldn't have said. Anthony Davis, we seen your problem in the beginning of the year. LeBron, my problem is this. LeBron is looking to defer to you. That is the reason that they brought you here.

He's 38 years old. The reason him and Rich Paul came up with this elaborate plan to get you at the lakers because they like oh he's 27 at the time probably 26 27. he could lead us he'll be perfect he'll be perfect i could take a back seat and that way i could get some rest from time to time and then we'll still be good that plan they work the out yeah he thought he meant deferred to him in outfits yeah exactly that's how he's been acting like it's about his outfit every time yeah listen they work the fuck out at all. Yeah, he thought he meant deferred to him in outfits. Yeah, exactly. That's how he been acting like it's about his outfit every time. Yeah, listen.

Yeah, he come with the fucking sunglasses. I've never seen this shit because he don't want to look at nobody in the face. That's what the fuck going on. LeBron James, and we'll get into LeBron James a little later. But look, he got 40 points on 60% shooting. I believe it was 10 rebounds and 9 assists at 38 years old. What else do you want a nigga to fucking do? Anthony Davis helped the fuck out. You had one good game. If you scared of the Joker, say you scared of the Joker.

If you scared of the Joker, say you scared of the Joker. James Garten the Joker at 38 years old. You guarding everybody but the Joker. You are a center. You have to guard the Joker. You scare the Joker. Nigga, Joker hit a three at the buzzer, and you smirk at him like he a bitch,

like, mm, you blushing and shit. What the fuck is that, man? He busting your ass and you blushing? Nah, I'm pissed off. That nigga hit a three-pointer like dirt corner myself yeah it's gonna be like game two or three that shit happened you know he did the lebron in game four i'm really pissed with anthony davis i think lebron did all he could do and uh i think reason them overachieved reeves and the hawaiian kid not a wine but samoan whatever it is

Reeves and the Hawaiian kid. Not Hawaiian, but Samoan, whatever it is. Hit Shamara. Yeah, Shamara. He did. They showed up. If we were pronouncing it wrong, we're sorry. But Hit Shamara did his thing. I think he really, really did his thing.

He really surprised everybody in the playoffs. And Reeves, I think he'll do great at San Antonio. Right. But I think that the roster presently constructed. Oh, we can't forget. You know why we forgot? Because you're missing D'Angelo Russell. Where the fuck was you at the home?

I told niggas that Murray nigga. When we seen Murray and his sons, Murray was a different nigga. Yo, he destroyed you. Murray was looking at them like, what? Are you serious? Yeah, that's when we seen that court.

You got no answer for me. Right, we seen that court side. But what I'm saying is this. D'Angelo Russell, we almost was about to go to the next topic because we forgot about you. Look, what the fuck? They brought you there. They got rid of Russ. Russ would have did more than that. Yo, my nigga, big props to Jamal Murray

because you've not seen after the game, the Joker was talking about it. He was like, he felt really good for Jamal Murray because Jamal Murray thought he was going to get traded because he was injured. Jamal Murray kicked everybody's ass this year. He got Chris Paul to fuck out of there. Chris Paul said, I'm hurting. I ain't got time to deal with this shit. Then he kicked Cameron Payne's ass because Chris Paul wasn't there.

And then we just totally forgot about D'Angelo Russell. Yeah. Shout out to Jamal Murray, man. Yeah, Murray was looking like he was on another planet. Yeah, that's for sure. He was out there doing whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted. And other than Schroeder just picking him up 94 feet, they have no answer for him.

Yeah, and if they thought that was going to work. Yeah, they thought it was going to time out. He said, I got one for you. We're throwing it to Joker. Joker, you bring it up. Yeah, how about they thought that was going to work. Yeah, they thought it was going to time out. He said, I got one for you. We're throwing it to Joker. Joker, you bring it up. Yeah, how about that? Yeah, now I get it back at half court. Yeah, that's exactly right.

Now let's see what you can do. And he had 30 in the first half in game three. Killing niggas. And it seemed like they was taking turns, like Paul's, but crazy. Like Murray would go crazy, then Joker would go crazy, then Murray went crazy. And it was like, then Joker would go crazy, then Murray went crazy. It was like, let's get them out of here. But not only that, we got to also give props to Aaron Gordon.

You know your man Pope. Pope was like, oh, y'all traded me? Oh, y'all forgot about me. Yo, listen, so let me ask you this. And we are talking about my man Sin. Do you think it's disrespectful? They asked Pope.

You played with the Lakers and you played with Denver. Oh, yeah, I heard that. What's the difference between LeBron James and the Joker and Caldwell Pope said LeBron just jump higher? Wow. Is that disrespectful? It's close. I'm saying, but it sounds disrespectful.

It sounds disrespectful. Let's break it down. What does LeBron do better than the Joker? Right now, I'm not talking about LeBron. Yeah. 38 LeBron better do better than a 27, 28-year-old Joker right now? Jump, high-end dribble. So you want some Caldwell Pope shit.

That's what you basically said. I saw Joker go to the rack getting whatever bucket he wanted. Remember he sidestepped? Yo, bro. He came in and excused me and got the bucket? Yeah, he said he had somewhere to be. And he was hitting dirt three. So what would you say in that game he did better? I'm just

asking. Did you want some cold well post shit? You saying that he only bettered him athletically? In that game, yes. Listen, I'm not disagreeing. You're going 100 he's only better than him athletically. In that game, yes. Listen, I'm not disagreeing. I'm going 100% on it. I'm doubling down. I'm doubling down.

Listen, Mike, let's go to free throw percentage. Joker got a better free throw percentage. Exactly. Better three-point percentage. Better percentage from the field. He had the most triple-doubles so far in the playoffs, period. He had three triple triple doubles so far in the playoffs period. He had three triple doubles in four games in this series. He might only might only jump because LeBron got ripped. Yeah, but he might

only close to the game. People want to say we being disrespectful. What game was that? We got ripped. Let me ask that. No. What game was that where he got ripped? Let me ask that. No, what game was that where he got ripped? LeBron at the end of the game. Was that game three or game four? One of them, he got his pocket pick for the game winner. I believe you could. I mean, the last two shots LeBron took was the target.

And I'm not, you know, I'm an NBA purist. I got to tell the truth no matter where I'm at. You know, I vowed. Wherever I go, I'm going to tell the truth. Don't worry about that. Now, Stat, you watch sports. Yeah. What does LeBron James do better than the Joker?

He's about right. It's crazy saying it because it's LeBron James. Yeah, let's go. But when you really think about it and you look at the stats, like, the Joker's performing better. Yeah. But, like, at the same time, it is a big age difference, but it's like, dang.

Yeah, no, we're not talking about LeBron's overall career. Not overall, but right now. Right now? Yeah, right now. What do LeBron do better than the Joker? Jump high.

Jump high. Jump high. And LeBron is nice. Yeah, LeBron. LeBron is nice. We're not going to act like he didn't have 40, but when, you know,

we'll get to that later. We'll get to that later. But I think when I'm hearing NBA players and different people speak now that I'm in media, I kind of understand. People be hating on folks. Maybe they dated their girlfriend. It be all kind of reasons. And we're not like that.

So we're just telling the truth. We're just looking at what it is. Yeah, we're just going on the stats. It is what it is. It is what it is. So, it is yeah okay so also on the top of lebron yeah in previous episodes you have made your comments so mace start over i couldn't wait to get to this mace yes who is LeBron to you now? Mmm. LeBron is a kid. Look up in the dictionary what is kid. See, I'm responsible to tell the truth. I'm not going to keep playing with y'all.

Let's go with the definition. Because, you know, sometimes I say things, but I'm ahead of my time. So the definition doesn't really... What do you mean he's a kid? What does that mean? Let's go to the definition. A kid defined... Is what?

A young goat. Or a child or young person. Or a baby. So he's a baby goat? Like, what? Yeah. We need to stop putting him in that grown man category. I saw him miss a layup for the game.

What game was that? I think that was man category. I saw him miss a layup for the game. What game was that? I think that was game three. Yeah. Yeah. And I saw him vanish yesterday. Fourth quarter. Let's take that Jeffrey conversation out of there. Okay, so following that for both of you.

No, hold on. I want to say what I got to say. I think LeBron did a sensational job being 38 years old. Tristan said he gets paid the most, he need to perform more. Who, Tristan? Yeah. Tristan should shut the fuck up because if LeBron wasn't there, he wouldn't get a job.

LeBron brought Tristan in like, yo, I know this nigga. Tristan said he makes the most money, it's up to him to win the game. He don't make the most money, I know this nigga. You know, he plays in Cleveland. Tristan said he makes the most money. It's up to him to win the game. He don't make the most money, not in the NBA. I mean, he may be the richest person in the NBA. But I'll say this is that that man did all he could do in this series. You know, I don't remember Michael Jordan getting swept. He may have got swept back in them early Boston days

or something like that, but never in no conference finals. And not on the L.A. floor. Yeah, not at home. This is disrespectful to me as a lifelong L.A. fan. Last episode, you said you was, then you said you wasn't. But you left it in the take so I'm I'm not going to let you say it alright well

listen I just think I think LeBron for me after seeing the ending of the game yesterday like I said you can't do more than 40 or 60% and 10 and 9. I had LeBron number two in my all-over.

I had Michael Jordan, and then I had LeBron. But after yesterday, even though he had a sensational game, I got to put Kobe back at number two. No, no, no. If he had 40, then why did you move him? Why did you move him at the 40, kid? Because the last two possessions of the game. That's what I'm talking about.

That's what makes him a kid. He's unreliable. Okay. He's irresponsible. But that doesn't mean he's not. If he still had 40, he's 40, bro. 40 is 40. I'm just saying, I'm moving him from number two to number three

because just those last two possessions, Kobe wouldn't have let a nigga even snatch the ball. Yeah, take the ball. Yeah, Kobe wouldn't have. I didn't like that. Yeah, I didn't like Jamal Murray. And you know what else I didn't like? I didn't like when he had Murray on him, and Murray had five fouls, and he settled for the jump shot. These are just things

I can't understand. And what I didn't like also is that it was a possession. He got two offensive fouls on the Joker. It was a possession. He got two offensive fouls on the Joker. It was a possession. That was a great place. Right. But it was a possession after that where some, I think it was Tristan Thompson,

got a layup, and then they stopped for a timeout. LeBron ran to the ref, like, review it. Review it. Like, he went to get the Joker fouled out. Like, old nigga ran and told on the nigga to go review it. Now we're snitching in the middle of the game. That's how bad niggas didn't like that. Kobe's number two for me now. And I'm going to have to put LeBron number three.

That's not bad. Kobe. I just didn't like Kobe at number two because he's like Mike. Like it's oneA with Mike. Okay, let me ask you this. If you got Kobe at number two, why don't people put Magic at number two? Just a question.

Just a question. That's a good question. At the end of the day, there's nothing wrong with putting Magic at number two. I wouldn't disagree. They both got five rings. You know what I'm saying? At the end of the day, I think Magic had a little more help than Kobe not saying Kobe ain't have Shaq for three and Gasol for two but you got Kareem you got worthy you got Byron Scott you know Michael Cooper you got a lot of people you got Pat Riley yeah you

know Kobe also had Phil Jackson as well but I think magic had a little more help not saying magic didn't make them great yeah I don't know if Kobe makes people people great that was my thing that's what i was getting at right i don't think kobe kobe scares more than me he put the fear of god and yeah he make you scared when you get there so you know that's a great that's a good question because they both got five rings and it seemed like as time goes on people just keep moving magic to the back of the line like magic wasn't the first big God going crazy when we seen Isaiah Thomas you said he was the best point guard that's what you told him to his face I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you. And he posted you on his page. Yeah, he did. He did.

So you want me to say right now that Magic Johnson is better than Isaiah Thomas? I can't speak on that right now. No. Because I'm a trusted voice. I thought you was a purist. I'm a trusted voice. Who is better, Magic Johnson or Isaiah Thomas? Because, look, Isaiah Thomas told us this.

If he was 6'9 and had Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, That was a real good point. That's what he said. He said, make Magic Johnson 6 feet and give him Bill Lambert. So, do you think that Magic Johnson is better than Isaiah Thomas? Also, Isaiah Thomas

has said on many occasions, for his championships, he beat Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Michael Jordan for his championships. So, what Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan for his I see this. Yeah, you're right. You're right. It's a coin flip. It's a coin flip. It's a coin flip. I had to think about that. I got to think about that.

Oh, man. Sorry, Magic. I got to think about that. All right. Say no more. Shout out to Magic, though. It's not beyond comprehension for certain people to have them number two or the best break on. Yeah, because they did jerk Isaiah out of the – out of what you call it,

the dream team. You know what that is. That's where you're supposed to go. If John Stockton went and Christian Layton and all of them went, you know that was Michael Jordan personally saying, if he goes, I don't go. That was the first time somebody got blackballed out there. Paul, so, you know, we've been professional today.

Magic, you know. You said they jerked him and blackballed him. It's the A's game, all that, the HIV game. It's all of that craziness. It's crazy today, you know. Yeah, I'm just being professional. Let's be professional. Okay, so you put Kobe at two and LeBron at three.

So then do you guys think overall that being swept by the Nuggets affects LeBron's legacy? Definitely. Definitely. Don't try to dress that up, Cam. Definitely. I'm not trying to dress it up because, listen. Definitely.

You don't get swept. There's no goal. I had to get my invoice together. No, the reason I say this is this because this because you know why this is a better question. A better question is now. Where's the Steph LeBron conversation because everybody was so quick to just Steph last round like, oh, LeBron's to go. He beat Steph.

But the beat Steph and then get swept. I don't know if Golden State would have got swept to the Nuggets. Yeah, they wouldn't have got swept. You know what I'm saying? I would have preferred to see them play. So that's a better conversation to me. I mean, I know he won the conference. I mean, pardon me, won the semi-conference finals against Golden State.

But everybody's like, yeah, now he'd be stepping up because in their brain they're thinking he's going back to the championship. But you didn't even win a game since y'all beat Golden State. So does that make him that much better than Steph? I think that's a better conversation. Where's Steph and LeBron at right now as opposed to all this ghost shit and saying where are those two at again next year? Because they're both getting older in age as well. And I'm definitely not hating on LeBron.

It's just when you start putting him in that light, you got to hold him to that criteria. You know, you get to that second tier where you're saying you're the second greatest player or the best player to ever play the game. LeBron said he's the best. Yeah. No. It might be

he might have that Lomachenko. He got the Lomachenko. He got the Lomachenko. Lomachenko, I don't thinkomachenko. He got the Lomachenko, you know. Lomachenko don't think he ever lost. Yeah, exactly. Adrian Broner got that. You know, people that just thought they never lost. But, you know, when he lost that game,

I was just sitting there thinking, this set him back. I don't know if everybody want to say it just yet, but that definitely set him back. One thing that I will say about LeBron is this, is that. Because stars win the game. This is a fact. I'm totally You can have all the good players you want at the end of the game, the stars win the game. The stars win

the game, but also we was talking last night on the phone and that's just not the city to take them shots he did them last two. Yeah. That was in Cleveland? Yeah, in a smaller market.

That's something I want to say to the L.A. fans and to the L.A. players. AD could get away with this in New Orleans. Right. It would be perfect. You can't do that in Hollywood. We're not paying $40,000 for a ticket for you to vanish that day. Right. Yeah, don't see at least $49,000 for one seat. Yeah, we was going to go to the game.

I was thinking, no, I'm not paying that to see if he going to play this game or if his pinky going to be hurting or his little toe. No, we was going to pay it, but there was $49,000 a seat, and then Murda said, why are we going to go do that? So AD could say his toenail hurt? Yeah, I said the thing with him in the wheelchair. I said, this nigga in the wheelchair. We're not going.

We're not going. We're definitely not doing that. No. I'm dead. You said we could watch this on TV. We're going to have to Netflix this. Okay. So, okay, so after the game, LeBron spoke with reporters,

and he said that he has a lot to think about now. So do you guys think that LeBron should consider retirement? Nah, I ain't going that far. LeBron, see, LeBron, I would say that's kiddy, but he ain't even saying he going to retire. What he's doing is putting pressure on management. Rob Palenka, GD Buss. Listen, you see this roster's not going to get

it. You need to get some pieces in here to figure out what we're going to do. It's my fault we bought this AD, nigga. I thought he was durable. I thought he was different. Yeah, I thought he was different. Smaller market. Right. Smaller market. But LeBron is saying that purely to get better

players on the Lakers and put pressure on the front office on Rob Pelinka and Jeannie Buss because LeBron is scoring 40, like we said, 60% shooting on the last game. He's not leading like that because, secondly, his dream is to play with his son. So he's going to play with his son. In L.A., you think? I don't know where they're going to play, if they're going to be on the same team

or if they're even going to play against each other, but even for them to be in the league at the same time is a big deal. It's great. That's crazy. So LeBron, stop with all of you. You got a lot to think about. We know what the fuck you're doing and I don't blame you for doing it. Jeannie Bush, Rob Pelinka fixed this shit. Yeah, we would all do it for our son. So we understand. Exactly. But they said fix this shit because at the end of the day, you got to think about it. Western Conference is way different,

but that man went to 10 straight finals, so coming to the West is like, yeah, okay, I've been to one finals in four or five years. I've just been

to 10 over here. You know, this Western Conference finals shit ain't really getting it. I'm used to going to the championship win or lose.

Right, win or lose. So I don't really think, not even think, I know he's not retiring That's just surely to tell Jeannie bus Rob Palenka step the fuck up For I do sit down and figure it out make y'all training something like that Good points. Well that being said let us know in the comments what you guys think about LeBron and we'll be right back what's happening me won't fall oh oh dealing with this thing called trust but she really thinking about she wanna be free

welcome back okay so i know we've all seen the fight with devin haney versus lomachenko haney was declared the winner. Was Lomachenko robbed? I wouldn't say he was robbed. There's a lot of people who think he was robbed. I think it's the hair. Like, every time he was moving his head, it looked like he probably was getting hit more than he was getting hit, realistically. But I don't think you could beat a champ without knocking him down or knocking him out.

A lot of champs got beat without getting knocked down and knocked out. Name them. I ain't got time to do a history, man. I ain't gonna go to history, man. We can go to motherfucking Sugar Ray Leno type of niggas if we gonna go do the due diligence. I can do the due diligence.

When it's that close, it's almost like you're, when it's that close, it's almost like you're robbing an undisputed champ. When it's undisputed, you can't lose undisputed without knocking them down at least. My problem is, why do the judges have to sit 116-112?

That much of you got to make it four rounds, bro. Like, come on now. What I will say is that Lomacheco's face looked like he lost. Yeah. If you're going by look. That's what I was going to say.

If you look at his face and look at my face, who won? You was not going to say that. I was going to say that. Hey, it was in my notes. I was leaving something for you to say. I would say that. We have to disagree on this because I think Lomacheco won the fight.

He outlanded him by, it wasn't a big disparity. He outlanded him by 16 punches. But to agree with that. Yeah, total punches. Lomacheco landed more punches. Devin Haney had a higher connect percent rate. But you're absolutely right.

Who would you say was more aggressive in that fight? It varied. You know, it was some rounds Haney was aggressive, some rounds Loma was aggressive. And a lot of people think, you know, they made a good point because I believe that Loma and Chico won the last three rounds. They still score the same as the first three rounds. They're like, oh, he went crazy in the championship rounds. But it's still the same point system for the first three rounds.

So it doesn't matter. Yeah, I think he won 10 and, what was that, 10 and 11, and I think Devin came back and got the 12. But, you know, that's why they call it swing rounds. You can judge it either way. The whole fight they were saying, whoever's judging this is going to be crazy because it was really that close.

But that was the same judge that when Javante knocked Garcia down, he had that as a 10-10 round. Exactly. That's what I really wanted to see. The judges' scorecard per round. None of the judges was from

out of the country if you have somebody fighting from another country you should have at least one guy judging from another country i think that the judges shouldn't be from any one of them countries yeah so that way it's not uh favoritism towards anybody but what i will say is this you do have to take the title i don't know if is this. You do have to take the title. I don't know if Loma did enough to take the title in the judge's eyes. I believe that he won. I will say this. Debra Haney, chill the fuck out.

With Tank and all that crazy shit. Shakur came in the ring. Shakur came in the ring like this. Yo. Shakur look like he was from the project. Yes. He got the j prince afro oh she calls looking at like this it was good yeah good he was looking real sneaky in there too nigga devon haley

pops ain't even looking He kept his back turned. Devin Haney ain't know what to say. He said, I'm number one. He said, for now. Yeah. Then they interviewed him. He said, what happened? He said, Lomacheco won.

He should be the undisputed champ. Yeah. He said, I don't know. They called me out last fight. Then the nigga runs out the ring. I don't even understand what the fuck happened. This is what I will say, though, Devin Haney. I heard you say that you're a great draw,

and I'm not saying you're not, but a lot of them fans were there for Lone and Checko as well. You know when you fight people from out the country and they come to support, and you was calling Tank out. I don't know if that's the cup of tea that you want, bro. Who do you think he should fight? I don't think he should. Listen, you know what I will say is this.

This is what I will say. I'm happy it's getting closer to the three niggas that we want to see fight. Actually fight. Devin Haney, Shakur, and Tank. It seems like it's getting closer to that. And it seems like all of them have somebody they don't

want to fight. It's like it's all three of them should be fighting. It seems like Shakur is eager to fight it's like it's all three of them should be fighting it seems like shakur is eager to fight haney haney wants to fight giovante giovante seems like he want to fight somebody else giovante's on house arrest right yeah so i don't know who he could fight but it seemed like i don't know if any of them really want to fight giovante. Because none of them ran to get in the ring with Lomachenko. Lomachenko been calling Javante out for four years. Yeah, but after what happened with him and your man... T.L.? Yeah, niggas like, shut up. You know, that

was his fight to get back to prove that, yo, I'm a pound for pound contender. He didn't do that because he didn't win the championship, but that's why he was so hurt. He was crying in the dressing room afterwards. But I really believe that Tank ain't scared of none of them. I see the deviousness in Shakur's eyes. And Haney, I appreciate that you want to fight them, but I don't think that you could beat Shakur or Tank.

Just my personal opinion. Why none of them fighting Lomooma I mean um Tio Tio being beaten up now shit like yeah I think he lost his last fight I gotta go to my boxing analyst but it ain't he ain't he lost since Lomacheco you know I'm saying and he's just not he's not at the same since that since Cambosis he lost lost since that? Yeah. I don't know the name. Don't get me wrong. I don't want to say the wrong name.

But, you know, after that Lomanchukko fight when he beat the shit out of him, he lost. Like, you got to stay winning. Like, that's the thing. That's the thing that makes me so mad, like, with Adrian Broner. And that's my man. Like, Adrian Broner's my man. It's like.

Adrian Broner has never lost. In his brain. But like I'm saying, all thingser's my man. It's like... Adrian Broner has never lost. In his brain. But like I'm saying, all things aside with this shit, Adrian Broner, like certain boxers, so we're going to get to that next. You got Terrence Crawford. Yeah. You got Errol Spence.

Top tier. Yeah. But they can't sell it like Adrian Broner. Yeah. Adrian Broner know how to sell it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a difference. Like, it's one thing boxing and knowing how to sell it. Them niggas top-level boxers.

I'm not saying AB is not top-level. Yeah, like Floyd was. Floyd box and sells. He knows how to sell it. A lot of people don't have that gift. AB know how to sell it, but then it gets into, you know, you got split decisions with Paulie Balanagi. You know, you lose to Madonna.

You lose to Pacquiao. People start counting your losses in boxing. Only people who get away with that many losses and still be top tier is a Pacquiao. You know what I'm saying? So it's hard for you to sell it and at the end of the day be a great boxer. But that's why I like Shikora overnight because now he getting on bullshit. And that counts when it's time to sell a fight. I was going to ask you that. Why do you think Pacquiao still get that clout even though he's lost?

But he don't run his mouth as much as everybody else. So when you run your mouth and you get knocked out, it's totally different. I think that Pacquiao, no matter what comes to fight, every fight, he's not running. He's not done. If he get hit, he do this. Yeah, let's go. Yeah, yeah, let's go. Let's go. He comes not done if he get hit he do this yeah yeah let's go yeah yeah let's go let's go he comes to fight whether he wins or lose he's not cheating you yeah he don't

get hurt and start backing away yeah he's still whatever you know when i go for it when um my man i'm sorry kenny and then i can't think of they knocked him out he he ran into that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, mock ass. Yeah, he knocked him out. Put him in a dream room. Yeah, night quill. So at the end of the day, he came to fight, though. You know what I'm saying? Pacquiao don't ever cheat you. And then Pacquiao sells it, too.

It's just he saw it in a different way. I remember he was training with Freddie Roach, and Freddie Roach was like, this guy's serious, man. He said, you say that about Shane Mosley. You say that about so-and-so. Yeah, Pacquiao was great. He said, everybody's serious. I beat them.

So he sells it in his own way, and then he brings the whole Philippines with him. Yeah, he definitely comes to fight. Right. Okay. Well, also speaking of fights, a fight that is speculating, according to ESPN, is actually Terrence Crawford versus Errol Spence. What are your thoughts? I hope we finally get that fight, for real,

because they've been waiting too long for that fight. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of talking about it. I'm sick of hearing about it. I'm just sick of the whole shit. Listen, man, y'all two have been the creme de la creme of the division, and it's been going on two, three years, fighting

everybody but each other. I understand Crawford just got out his deal with Bob Arum. I think he had one fight since then. Yeah. Errol Spencer, you know, he You don't think the money gotta be right, though? Consistent car accidents, so on and so forth.

Of course the money gotta be right, but whatistent car accidents, so on and so forth. Of course the money got to be right, but what happens is as time keeps going by and one person thinks they're the A side and the other person don't want to be the B side, and one person want to fight in Vegas, the other person want to fight in Dallas and Johnny's World. It's just too much to they be like, you know what? When somebody want to fight you. Yeah, I don't think they want to fight when there's that much red tape. Yeah, when there's that much, yo. When there's that much red tape, you don't want to go. Because sometimes it may be one thing.

It's always something. You know, I seen an interview. Terrence Crawford said, I'm my own boss. I went to talk to Errol Spencer. He told me, I got to talk to Al Heyman. Now, look, I dig it. Yeah. But at the same time, too, I'm talking about Crawford.

He said he brought Errol some money and arrow wouldn't do it yeah but at the same time he did that also when he just got out his contract yeah arrow's still in the corner he was flexing he was flexing on him he was like i'm my own boss yeah but he just got out the contract and i was still with um um al hayman so when he was like he told me i gotta talk to al yeah you only been out the car right so and listen Crawford's my man to side dig it when you to do, you know. It be like that sometimes. Had to break some order. Yeah, so at the end of the day, I'm not blaming anyone in the fight. I'm just tired of talking about it.

I told niggas, don't talk to me about it no more until this shit happens. Because every time it's, yo, speculation. Same thing. Then some nigga named Eddie stopped it. Who's Eddie? Yeah, exactly. Same thing she talk about. ESPN is speculating on July 29th. What the fuck is a speculation? What is the fucking real fight? Either they fight or they're not. Yeah, exactly same thing she talked about ESPN is speculating in July Exactly I don't really care to talk about it. I don't care where they fight. Yeah, they can fight in the park

I'm just talking about it. I don't really want to talk about to this a concrete day Yeah, I'm a 8-ounce gloves The whole shit to fight every time I look at this shit, about this shit, it's too thick. Sources say. What is the source? Who is the sources? Me? I'm done with the arrow spent Jamal Crawford shit until it happens.

Probably not Jamal Crawford's Terrence Crawford. Well, maybe we can stop speculating and we'll see it happen. We'll be right back. One eye, one heart, one love. happen. We'll be right back. When I tell you When I tell you I'm back. Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. Oh hell no. Muchacho, levántate.

Toma esto, bébetelo. Right now? Vuel, vuel puñal. Now, right now. Right now. Yeah. Welcome back. Magic Johnson says he's never seen a Boston team give up after game three. Does it seem like Boston gave up, or do you think it's something else?

I think Magic should be focused on the motherfucking Lakers. Like, what you talking about? Boston giving up and shit, and the Lakers just got swept. What the fuck is Magic talking about? Yo, that's some real crazy shit that you go, that's a real Laker, though, that you be like, fuck, we got swept. Yo, let's focus on Boston giving up. Magic said that before that, though.

Yeah, but the up after game. I had you said that before that, though. Yeah, yeah. But, no, he said after game three. Yeah. Yeah, I know. You know, we know that, you know, Boston won game four. But the whole shit is. He trying to take another shot at Boston. Yeah, you still be from Boston, nigga. It's like, yo, Jeannie Buss said, yo,

get him to talk about anything but us right now. It was both down 3-0. Yeah, yo, Jeannie Buss said, yo, get him to talk about anything but us right now. Imagine what the fuck he said. They were both down 3-0. Yeah, yo, both down 3-0. But you going to focus on Boston? Yeah. Listen, Magic, I dig it and all that fly shit, but I think you should be more mad at the Lakers

not winning the game and getting swept, but you going to go straight to Boston. Okay, that's some real Lakers shit. Fuck, I've never seen a Boston team get motherfucking give up after that. He said, I've never seen a team give up like this. But the Lakers didn't give up. That's what he's trying to say. But what the fuck they did?

They just got beat? I think the Lakers gave up. They were just outclassed. LeBron said it. He said from game one, he knew they were better than them. How do you take that? I would say this, man. Listen, I see, look, and I hate to keep bringing it up,

but we've seen this fucking Denver Nugget team play live. And when I've seen them play live, I'm like, I don't think Golden State or the Lakers could beat them. When they played the Suns, it took a fucking, at least the Suns got two wins. Yeah. And it took tremendous games from KD and Booker. It took 40-40.

Yeah, exactly. 30-30. Yeah, exactly, for them niggas to win. And LeBron and AD wasn't getting that. It was either LeBron do work or AD get work. It was never at the same time. Even though LeBron had great numbers, people like LeBron didn't play good. There was another game he had 26-10-9-2.

Yo, this is amazing. And even against KD, KD had some of his worst games against Denver. Right, but back to LeBron, this nigga is doing all this. They be like, oh, LeBron had 26. That's not going to get him. He's 38.

AD, step the fuck up. But Magic, you out of pocket, my nigga. Focus on the Lakers. Secondly, Magic quit the Lakers GM job in the middle of the night. Nigga, Magic just got up and left. Yo, went on first take saying, yo, I ain't calling GD, busting nobody. I quit. He was the GM.

Magic pulled a murder, yo. Yeah, he definitely pulled a murder. He definitely pulled a murder. He left in the middle of the night. Yo, first of all, niggas are not paying attention to this. The Magic drafted motherfucking Lonzo Ball. Niggas got rid of him. Man, he said, yo, you know what?

I quit. Niggas ain't let me do what I want to do. I thought I could do what I want. Yo, pick Lonzo Ball, nigga. I thought I could do what I want. You a pig, large old ball, nigga. Now that nigga's somewhere totally different. I've seen the interview with LeBron. LeBron said, I found out he quit when I told him he had smear. He said, LeBron and Maverick, and Maverick, what up, man?

He said, LeBron and Maverick said. LeBron said, at least he could have called me. Yeah, at least he could have said, fuck you. That's what LeBron said. He said, I would appreciate it if he called and said, fuck you. He didn't even do that. I only came here because he recruited me to come here. Now Magic told him.

Magic had other means, man. Yeah, Magic said, I get more money doing this other shit. Fuck LeBron. Fuck Jeannie. Fuck the whole shit. Then Magic go, you know what he do? Magic know how to sell. Magic start crying.

Magic say, it break my heart. He thought, it break my heart to do this right here. He start, this exactly magic right here. You know, it break my heart to do this. I grew up with Genie and Mr. Buss. You know a nigga fake crying when he use his finger? Yeah, right here. On his side.

Yeah, I do want to hear that. It breaks my heart because I grew up with this organization. Me and Jeannie are so close. It's a family. You know, Magic, you're left. You know what I'm saying? Now you sit and focus on the Lakers. You want to help out, go back to the Lakers and see what they need to do to keep LeBron there.

That's my opinion. Magic out of pocket for that shit. Good point. Good point. Okay, so. No, Magic, I get a pass. That's my nigga me and magic like magic my nigga but you know that's some bullshit I've never seen a Boston. What are you talking about? Oh, man. At least Boston got a game in. Okay.

So also speaking of Boston, Malcolm Brogdon said, we still believe we are the better team. So after watching these games, do you guys still believe, or do you believe Boston is a better team than Miami? Who said that? Malcolm Brogdon. Malcolm got six. Did he get six man of the year?

Yeah, Malcolm Brown did. That's nice. Then Marcus Smart got defensive. I don't know if he got defensive play. No, he didn't. He should be on that defensive team. He's on the defensive team. He didn't get this year.

Then Jalen Brown, second team. Yeah. Tatum, first team. So they got the right to think they're the better team. Yeah, Tatum first team. So they got they got the right didn't think they're the better team. But is you got to show up. This is the time. It counts. Just being talented better doesn't mean you came to play. I was just about to say the same thing. So they do have the better. They do.

I have the better. They do. Why are you down? Yeah, because you know what? I've seen the comedian. My man Ryan Davis. I've never met him, but he's pretty funny on the ground. So he's, you know, I don't know how old he is, but he ought to probably be early 30s, late 20s, or something like that. So he did, I've seen it today. He did this shit. It was dope. It was really dope.

He's like, all these old Jordan fans, he's like, you know, I say LeBron's the goal. You got all these Jordan fans that come at me and talk about you wasn't there. Michael Jordan didn't play with people this good. He just willed them to win and make them better than everybody. And, like, all this magical shit. And I'm like, LeBron fucking went to 10 chips, this, that, and the third.

But you talk to Jordan fans about Michael willed niggas to play by himself. He made Scottie play. He made these niggas play. Yeah, do, that, and the third. But you talk to a joint fan, talk about Michael Will niggas by himself. He made Scottie play. He made these niggas play. Yeah, do whatever he's out to say. And he said, finishing this point, he said, I thought all that shit was bullshit until I seen Jimmy Butler. He said, that nigga got the will to make his team better.

He said, that was what he said, yo. That's exactly it. But that's what he said. And he was like, yo, Boston is better than Miami, but Jimmy Butler holds people accountable and his heart is going to make them win. It's his example. Right. He's one of them dogs.

Yeah. He's one of them dogs. Yeah. He's one of them dogs. But he said that today. He's them dogs. Yeah, he wanted them dogs. But he said that today. He's a comedian. He's not even like a sports analyst. And I was like, good.

Somebody who's a LeBron fan could understand. And listen. That's what happens. And listen, if you think that about Jimmy Butler, and no disrespect, because Jimmy Butler is bad. Michael Jordan was that times 100. 100. Because he was like, I've never seen one nigga have the willpower and make his team better and just beat another team.

He's like, this shit might be true. Yeah. It seemed like it's Jimmy Butler beating all four of them. That's how it feels. Paul, see, Cam, we're professional today, Cam. You got to grow up, Cam. I'm not saying Cam. You got to grow up, Cam. I'm not saying nothing. You got to grow up, man.

Jimmy Butler, they got to realize that they also beat Milwaukee. Yeah. The Greek freak. You know what I'm saying? That was crazy. Beat the freak? No, you said they beat the freak. No, I did not.

I said they beat Milwaukee. I knew you were trying to say it. Revenge pause. I did not even say it. You were waiting Milwaukee I knew you would try and the Greek freaking them but if they do when they beat the number one and the number two seed in the Eastern Conference, and they was in the play-in. So you got to give them niggas their credit. That's crazy, yeah.

Okay, so would you guys break up Boston, kind of like a little bit of like a build-a-team? Like what player do you think needs to go? If they lose. Okay. Not to cut you off, but I'm saying. If they lose, we in a new day, you could trade the coach. What I'm saying is this a great with that's a great question

because we're going purely off day if they lose everybody thought they were going to get swept. They didn't get swept. But if they lose the series, this is what you have to realize and this is a this is going to be helpful. Ownership and management brass Stevens and the crew over there boss. This is going to be held because ownership and management on brass Stevens and the crew of their boss this is gonna be hell because you have to pay Jason Tatum 318 million and you

have to pay Jaylen Brown on 295 million do you want to invest 600 million dollars on two guys who never got you to the championship mind you they're both under 20 they're both 25 26 26. So you still have a window to get there. But right now at this minute, are you willing to invest $600 million in the two players? Not at one and three. I'm just saying one is first team, one is second team. If you want to keep both of them, that's what you have to pay them. What would you do if they lose this series? I would talk to Golden State, and I would get Wiggins and Poole for Jalen Brown. I don't know. That's not bad, but I'm saying that's a great question, man.

That's not a bad trade either, but I don't know if you want to get rid of... They're still young, you know what I'm saying? They're still pretty young, but $600 million is a lot of dollars for two players that you're not sure. And then the one thing is... Excuse me. The one thing is that

Jalen Brown, I don't know if he's all the way happy because he's always in trade talk. That's why he needs to just go to another team. Because he knows he's always in the conversation. He knows they're not going to trade Tatum. So he's always the person that is the most valuable to be traded. That's what I was going to say.

Like, do you get sick of them talking about? Because some days, sometimes three, four times during the season, they be like, Jalen Brown, we're going to break this up. That too, but two, three, four times during the season, they'll say that Jalen Brown is better than Jason Tatum. And then when they start losing, they start being, should we trade Jalen Brown? And they's like, you just said I was the best nigga two months ago. So

that wears on you. Jason Tatum is absolutely not going anywhere. So, does Jalen Brown want to be there? That's a question as well. Or he could just leave there and go to Houston. When his contract is up, they got another year. But I don't think he's going to Houston. He wants to win.

You know what I'm saying? He's right there. Right now, you're in the what I'm saying? Yeah. He's right there. Right now, you're in the Eastern Conference Finals two years straight, right off of coming out the championship last year. You're not going to go to Houston. You got to taste the winning. Pause. You don't want to lose.

Taste the winning was crazy. I said pause. No, we're going to be professional, but that was wild. It was professional when you wanted to be professional. No, that was wild. That was crazy. Taste the winning. Yo, yo. Just think, you got to admit that. You want me to go

bring your highlight reel up? Yeah. I can go bring your highlight reel up. Hey, we talking about today, buddy. Taste of winning is wow. I love from man shit alone. Yeah, okay, but taste of winning. Alright, bro, but taste of winning. All right, bro, look, I'm going to be wild petty for now. No, no, I'm just

keeping you accountable. I'm just telling you, I'm going to be wild petty for now. I tried to be professional. I looked at all the episodes we did, and you said,

be professional, and today I'm trying to be professional, and now you're doing it. Okay, okay, be professional. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I tried to, I did the whole episode and didn't say nothing.

I didn't say stat, I kept it cool. Say it was one time stat looked at me like, yo, you letting that slide? She did. And I was like, alright, I'm trying to be professional. And then I brought it back up. She's like, yeah, I was peeping. You ain't saying nothing about it. Nope. You can roll the tape.

I'm not being professional. taste of winning though say no more more of the story is fine I'm being petty for now but I don't know if you break most of them I think that they're still young but it's yo it's hard that's a very hard question because I don't know if I want to pay that much money for neither one of them and then win. I don't want to pay $600 for a team that don't win. Yeah, and at the end of the day, I don't know what they're going to do in Milwaukee or in Philly next year. The Knicks look good. Are they going to make it outside of the Eastern Semis?

A lot of teams are questionable. You think Giannis will leave Milwaukee? I don't think he's going to leave Milwaukee, but you got other people that they got to pay, and I don't know if they're going to pay Middleton. You know what I'm saying? Do you pay Drew Holiday? You know what I'm saying? Because they didn't get out the first round. So

what I say about the East is this, is that Boston... And they lost to Butler, too. Right. Exactly. What I will say about the East is this, that moving forward, Boston is still the most complete team to get back next year in the East is this, that moving forward, Boston is still the most complete team to get back next year in the East, if you ask me.

But what Jimmy Butler doing, Jimmy Butler don't give a fuck. He got other players for everybody. I don't give a fuck if it's Giannis. I don't give a fuck if it's Boston. I don't give a fuck if it's Philly. Yeah, and it's all the people at his position. That's what makes it crazy.

Right. Yeah, and that is a lot of money on the table, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens next we'll be right back She called this thing about toxic Four years and counting Got you feeling like an option Maybe I'm my own problem, babe She tired of hearing, I don't know

What's happening to me won't fall Dealing with this thing called trust. But she really thinking about us. She wanna be free. Why am I in this one? She wanna be free. Welcome back. Carmelo Anthony officially announced his retirement after 19 seasons.

With him retiring, LeBron is now the only player left from the 2003 NBA draft class. What are your thoughts? Yo, Mello's my man. I'm really, really happy for you, Mello. I look forward to seeing your son play. You gave a lot to the game. I wish you would have achieved more, but that wasn't your fault. You didn't have the best team surrounding you in New York. You didn't have the best team

surrounding you in Denver, and you had to go against Kobe a lot of times, but you did a hell of a job for 19 years. I put blood, sweat, and tears in, and I want to wish you nothing but the best.

I hope the Knicks retire your jersey because it ain't going to get retired in Denver because the Joker got the same fucking jersey. Yeah, that's bad luck right there. Right. So do you think they're going to retire his number in New York? They should.

They should. That's what's up. They should. Yeah. Number seven should be off the market. And thank you for all of the great memories you gave New York basketball-wise. That's a fact, man. And definitely, I think he's focusing on his son.

Absolutely. And making sure he get where he needs to go, and that's the right thing to do. Absolutely. Let us know when you get that first Ballot Hall of Fame vote so we come up and support you, and we wish you nothing but the best of luck in your career after basketball. Okay. And then I was actually going to touch on if you guys think his

numbers should be retired, because there are other people like Pat Ewing. Do you think that because there's people like him whose numbers are retired, that Carmelo deserves that spot as well? See, it's tough in New York. The thing about New York, Pat Ewing spent the majority, probably the last year or two he left New York.

He spent the majority of his career in New York. Carmelo played a lot of years in Denver, and then at the same time, I don't know how that goes. I don't want to act like I know if the NBA does it, but if you leaving it to the owner, I don't know if the owner, the owner ain't really probably

New York is a hard place. Yeah, that is a hard, really hard place. If this was somewhere else, then it wouldn't even be a question. But I don't know who decides if it's the NBA. I don't know if it's the New York Knicks organization. But if you ask me, if it's the New York Knicks organization, they should. But that owner is tough, man.

The owner is fucking tough. Did they retire Mark Jackson in Jersey? Not that I know of. Not that I know of. Wow. So, yeah, that's a hard one. Right. Not sure. I hope they do.

He'll be in our prayers. Yep. That's the beer for you for the prayers right there, man. Yeah. Yep. And then also, what could y'all see for him next? I know he's focusing on his son, but, like, do you think he should ever try coaching, position,

or anything like that, or just chill? Yo, Stag, we ain't going to force some shit on us. Like, look, we said congratulations, man. Yo, Stag. Yo, Stag, we ain't going to force some shit on us. Look, we said congratulations, man. Yo, Stag. Yo, Stag, man. All in the corner. Now you want to make us make a deal? Yo, we see him skate, ice skate, and he's sitting there and shit.

Look, yo, look. We wish you luck. I don't know what the fuck he got going on out there. Stag got me talking about we put him in our prayers. Stag, you're wild right now. furthermore, I know you rich as fuck. He was milking

poor as the system. So at the end of the day, you're rich, you got money, you got a great family. That ain't gonna put no pressure on me to tell you what the fuck

you're gonna do after basketball. Good luck and keep us in the loop. We'll be watching. Love it. Well, thank y'all for watching. Stay tuned for the next

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