IT IS WHAT IT IS - ESPY AWARDS WAS A CELEBRATION OF WOMEN'S SPORTS & BRONNY JAMES SUMMER LEAGUE TAKEAWAYS | S4 EP59

Episode Date: September 16, 2024

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I have something to talk about, but I'm going to wait because today we are joined with our analyst, Maurice Claret. Mo, what's up? What's going on, baby? Chillin' Mo, you look like you in the sunshine state or something. I've been a Floridian for the last two weeks. Oh, you're getting black. Yeah, I do want to say this. I told everybody who i ran into at the parks and just moving around central florida that uh it's a lot of love for this show and they just wanted me to say tell everybody from the show hello that they they love the show so that's to all the people

i met down here in florida i let y'all know that i was gonna uh let the brothers know thank you we tell them we appreciate it. Thank you very much. Okay, so before we even start, Maurice, you're wearing a Huskies, you know, the logo, which is very on brand. Mace, Cowboys. Oh my goodness.

I have to ask because I know if I want to know, the people want to know. Well, actually, let me see how fast I can be on my feet. I figured J.J. Reddick got the job. I might as well start dressing like a coach. Who knows?

I could be head coach any day now. Okay. Yeah, you like that? No. I don't. He was fast on his feet, though. Yeah, that was good. I mean, if you became coach, I would definitely be at your games.

Okay. Cowboys. You coming to the games, killer? No. Not the Cowboys. You're just coaching Jacksonville, maybe. Not the Cowboys. You're just coaching Jacksonville, maybe. Not the Cowboys. Nah, Cowboys ain't going to win.

Jacksonville got a better chance of winning before the Cowboys. Oh, man. And a lot of times, see, a lot of niggas think because of the Knicks and the Cowboys and they have good teams. It ain't really about the team. It's about the jinx. They be franchises and jinx, B. Every year the Cowboys got, oh, you see who they got on defense? Oh, Dak Prescott this year, top five quarterback.

Y'all niggas got a black cat in the arena, my nigga. Y'all not going to win. I don't care how good a team y'all got. I think the Knicks got a better chance of winning before the Cowboys at this point. But they not going as long as Spike Lee did. Spike Lee, you never listen to me. I'm telling you, just watch from the skybox and stay in Brooklyn. You actually got your own team.

You're from Brooklyn. Switch over to the Nets. You're jinxing Manhattan. We're from Manhattan. You're jinxing us. Yeah. You got a team now. You got a team now. You have a team now.

Stay in Brooklyn, bro. 40 acres and a mule and all that other shit. You're fucking it up for the franchise, my nigga. I actually think the Cowboys are more jinxed than the Knicks, my personal opinion. Okay. So let's discuss the ESPY. So they happened last night,

and it was to honor individuals and groups in sports. So I want to discuss some of the awards and basically get you guys' thoughts on if you think this person was the right fit for the awards. So we're going to go through a couple of names on the list. So the first one, best athlete in men's sports is Patrick Mahomes. Maurice, I'm going to let you go first and let me know what you think about him winning that award. I think it was the right choice. I don't think of anybody who stood out more last year than Patrick. I was trying to think to myself who would have had a competing chance, but I think with Patrick Mahomes it was the right choice. Yeah, I think Pat Mahomes was definitely the right choice, but I wouldn't have been mad if they would have gave the award this year to Jalen Brunson he had a um a great great year I just think with um

Pat Mahomes winning the championship it kind of put him over over um Jalen Brunson yeah but anybody watching sports that love basketball could say he had a phenomenal year. Patrick Mahomes, it's not even really close. He's actually been dominating for a long time. And one thing about Patrick Mahomes, you know, losing part of me, Tyreek Evans, there's a lot of speculation if he's still gonna be able to be the quarterback that he is, even though Kelsey's been there the whole time.

He's phenomenal. I've seen the nigga throw up behind the back pass, the left-handed pass, on his feet, scramble. And this isn't just this year. I know the award is for this year. But over the years, his consistency has just been amazing, whether they win the Super Bowl or not. He's always in the conference championship.

So I just can't really say enough about it. Jalen Brunson, he had a good year, but Patrick Mahone wins. And he gets to at least the conference championship. Jalen Brunson didn't do that. I think he had a great breakout year, though, Jalen Brunson. Pardon me, Tyreek Hill. My bad. Losing Tyreek Hill, my bad. Yeah.

Losing Tyreek Hill, so. We're good. Okay, and then the best team is South Carolina women's basketball team. Maurice, what do you think? Yeah, that was a, obviously, you know, I wanted the Huskies to win, but when you kind of see when they had Flange performing,

when you had Donna Staley getting the Perseverance Award, I think that that was the award that she got. And you just kind of see what they've accomplished in women's sports, being with, you know, Kaitlyn Clark and Angel Reese and everything around women's sports. I'm not to say that they aren't deserving. Me selfishly, I wanted the Huskies to get it. But they definitely earned it right. You know, for the last few years, South Carolina, for a while,

South Carolina, as long as she's been there, has been great. So, you know, I don't think you go wrong with that. And shout out to Dawn Staley. She had a beautiful speech after the award that she accepted for the Perseverance Award. Well, I'm going to go out and say, you know, I thought Boston was a team that had a phenomenal year, and I wouldn't have been – I would have voted for Boston

to have the best team this year, being that they had so much riding on this season, and they actually delivered. I didn't see South Carolina as much as I watched Boston, so my favorite would have been Boston for that award. Rob Markman And what was the exact award again? Steph? Steph Lee Best team. Rob Markman Best team?

Steph Lee Mm-hmm. Rob Markman South Carolina. Niggas won the chip and didn't lose. They didn't lose no games. Steph Lee Yeah. Rob Markman They went the whole season and they didn't lose and won the chip. You know, like the Patriots were in the year, you knowiggas was however many, you know, 17, 18, 19,

they changed it. 17. Yeah, 17 and 0. Get to the championship and lose to the Giants. Like the go, oh, regular season, then win the championship. I'm going with South Carolina. I'm not mad at Macy's answer with Boston because you can't, nobody's going to go undefeated in the NBA.

That's just not going to happen. But nobody was even close to Boston. Like in the Eastern Conference, even in the Western Conference, they had a lead on everybody in the NBA. So I'm not mad at Boston either, but if I had to pick, I'm just going to go with whoever didn't lose

would be my opinion. Yeah, because normally when teams do not lose in the regular season, they normally slip up in the final four or get right to the end and be crying. So that is a phenomenal feat because when you undefeated people, definitely you're trying to knock that O out. Yeah, I lost. I just told my guy all day.

We was 23-0 my senior year and lost in the first round. I didn't go back to school. And then the best record-breaking performance, Kaitlyn Clark. Maurice? Yeah, this is kind of like, I think the whole show, I think when they produced it, they wanted to make sure that they celebrated women

and women's sports. And I'm not saying that she wasn't deserving of it. You know, she's been a talk of all the sports this entire year. But they did a great job just highlighting women's sports. I think that, you know, everybody's complained about the new resurgence around women's basketball and the focal point being her. But shout out to ESPN for celebrating women this entire deal, even with Serena hosting.

But, you know, big ups to Caitlin Clark. And I can't remember of any other story being as big as hers this this is sports probably the last five years and i know i know it was a huge deal when she um broke the record so of course you know she was going to get it man i feel like they put this award there for her to win just to get her a award you know um when they was doing the sps it seemed like this is a a title or or personnel that that is making a lot of headways and and what better way to capitalize off it than to give her the award for best record breaking i mean they could have given that award to um shikari there's other people that could have won that award.

And it just seemed like when they talk about Wimby, like they're setting aside this award. This was the first time I felt like most people feel about Caitlyn Clark because I've been championing for her a long time. But right here I can understand like, okay, now enough is enough. Now let her earn some things. Don't give her everything that she gets. I understand she bring ratings.

I understand that it is better for the business if she's celebrated. But let her earn something. Every time I turn the TV on, she's breaking some record. Every week, it was a new record being broke. I don't know who else to give it to, to be honest with you. That's why I just asked that. Who's the nominees? So, Caitlin Clarke, Christian McCaffrey, Tara Vanderveer.

No, I brought more records to her this year. She broke every fucking... Every time you turned the TV on, a new record was being broke. I mean, I didn't know a lot of the records like Yo, Most Threes. Look, does she surpass and get the most points? Of course she got the most points for her school, but what about in NCAA history? She got that record too, right? Most points? Rob Markman Rookies at a certain age.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, especially Kyle before, especially before the WNBA, like the college season I'm talking about. Seemed like every fucking week, a new record was being broke every time we turned on a fucking game.

When she was in college, I ain't, you know, NBA, she just broke a record or whatever. Looked like Angel Reese is getting all the records right now. But I'm talking about in college, NBA, she just broke a record or whatever, looked like Angel Reese is getting all the records right now, but I'm talking about in college, for five weeks in a row, it looked like we was just watching a new record being set by her, so.

Christian McCaffrey, I'm a big Christian McCaffrey fan. Who? Tara Vanderveer. I don't know a champ like that. Yeah, you right. They said't know a child like that. Yeah, you're right. They said she made more points than everybody. I think she got the record for the whole NCAA. Yeah, like if we going off.

Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah, if the award is for setting records and breaking records, I can't think of nobody else to give it to this year. Now, Mo, do you remember that that being a award every year i don't know i'm not really in tune with the espies like i'll i'll like watch the highlighted versions of them but like i don't know all like the nuanced awards and things of that nature even when you were talking about caitlyn clark like i don't know if that was something new or not caitlyn clark yeah i don't know if that's new that they created for her uh or not but I don't um I'm not into just all the categories like that

yeah that's what I was speaking to not not necessary and sorry not to cut you off it is a common award because in 2022 is Steph Curry like there's different people so it wasn't just like oh we made it for Caitlin Clark yeah that's what I was speaking to it felt like that I just thought this was the celebration of women like speaking to it felt like that i just thought this was the celebration of women like if you look at like if you just look at the theme of it if you go back and just like if you go and look at don staley's speech and just look at her reading from the teleprompter just kind of how they prompt that up and you look at the theme of sports in general there's no like outside of brani and outside of the celtics there's no really dominant sport

sporting stories that are new fresh and i'm a very different audience and i thought like this platform was more like the celebration of women you know you go get serena you go give this award to don staley not to say these people aren't deserving but i thought like this whole show was just for that and the answer to your question mace um because i looked it up 2001 they started this uh awards and it's anyway from michael phelps to steph curry to drew breeze to russell westbrook uh peyton manning uh yeah it's been going on for over 20 years okay i didn't know neither i just looked yeah and then maurice just real quick to your point i know you were saying like this seems like the celebration of women but this has been a game

changing year for women in sports so i think like obviously like you said rightfully so but i think that shows the impact that women's sports has made because a lot of people are tuning in like viewership is going up so i think like that kind of works in alignment with what is happening. Who did this, that? Kaitlyn. Yeah. As long as you give her your props. I can say that. All right, give her her props.

I've never said that. All right. Just make sure you know who's responsible. For women in sports and viewership, yes. But she's not the best player, but that's a whole other debate for another thing. So is it right to say it's been a breakout year for for white women in sports or or women's i think it's a breakout year for women in sports and i think that caitlyn clark catapulted us to be able to look at other women in sports as a whole because i mean we see asia wilson i still

think that she's the best of the best and we got angel reese who's the front runner for rookie like things like that so she catapulted, but I would say women as a whole. I agree with what you're saying, Stat, but we're going to give the props to the person who got the eyes. I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. I think you're 100% right. But we're going to give the props who got the eyes on women's sports. Like you just said, Aja Wilson is back in the frontrunner for MVP.

She's going wild the last two, three weeks. But I like her more than anybody right now, more than Olympic practices and everything else. She's got a really, really good game. And she's kind of slacking. I don't think she's slacking at the beginning of the year. I think that she was more about trying to get her teammates involved. She realized that that's not going to get us the victories we need to get. She ended up crying on the panel,

and ever since that little emotional outburst she had, she been going crazy, but what you're saying is, I'm not disagreeing with you a little bit, but let's give the props to the niggas who got the spotlight on the women. That's what I'm saying. Now, it's like we was talking about with the Olympics, right?

This is the people that's in other countries' time to shine to show that they could be in the NBA or play amongst the greatest players in the world because the spotlight is on you. We sending the best of the best, the so-called best of the best from America into the world and over to Paris to play against other teams. So the other teams, they may have niggas that are like, oh, they niggas love Luka? I've been killing Luka for like seven years in a row. Or I love the Joker? Man, we've been killing the Joker.

We don't know. Just because they get over here, we don't know that there's people that's not over there that's better or on their level, and this is kind of their opportunity for their eyes to be on different players around the world. But thanks, Kaitlin Clark, for letting us see, showing us, rather, other players that needed to be acknowledged because they're just as good as Kaitlin Clark or better than Kaitlin Clark. I just wanted to point out that it was the great white hope that got the eyes

on everybody else in women's sports. Tommy Morrison. Yeah. That's what it's about. Okay, so we're going to hit two more of these categories, and we'll move on to the next topic. So the Pat Tillman Award for Service was won by Prince Harry. Maurice, what do you think? What did he do that would make him win it?

Yeah, so he created the Invictus Games, a sporting event for active duty and veteran service members who have been wounded, injured, or sick on the job, so they gave him that service award. Oh, I don't really want to know what it entails, but I think if he just even stepped in the sporting arena, in the sporting space, they probably figured it's notable and honorable

to just acknowledge his contributions. But I'm pretty sure, and this is no knocks to him, but I'm pretty sure athletes are known for doing a bunch of philanthropic work and heroic things. I'm pretty sure there was somebody else. Do you know who else was in that category?

I'm looking. It wasn't a category. It was just an award. It wasn't a category. It was just an award. It wasn't a category. Oh, got you. Yeah, I just don't know much about it, so I don't want to speak about Prince Harry's games in one way or another. But I just know a ton of athletes on a consistent basis

do a lot of honorable stuff in regards to philanthropic work, and I would have thought that you could have got somebody else, but I can also see them trying to acknowledge Prince Harry just because of who he is. What exactly did he do again? Yeah, he just created a... I'm not sharing my words. He created the Invictus game.

So it was a sporting event for active duty in the military that are injured. That's cool. That's it. That's it? That's it? Okay. I think more importantly, to be honest with you, I don't know much about Prince Harry and anything else,

but I think that people should focus on, because people don't even know who Pat Tillman is. And he's given the Pat Tillman Award, and people just hear awards and be like, oh, you got the Pat Tillman Award. Do people even know who Pat Tillman is? Yeah, we know who Pat Tillman is. But that's the point, America may not.

Pat Tillman was playing for the Arizona Cardinals, if I'm not mistaken. Outstanding player. And when we went to war, he stopped playing to go to war for our country. And a lot of people are like, yo, you bugging? He's 27 years old in the prime of his career

and said, fuck that. America's fighting. I'm going to fight. And for him to have that courage and that bravery to say, millions of dollars i'm a real american um that means a lot that really says a lot it's like a lot of people don't know loman cheko he took off a year a year and a half to go fight for ukraine when they're fighting russia the nigga put his boxing career down and picked up a pistol and an AK and said, let's go to

war. You have to have a different mentality for that shit because you're making a lot of money and you're saying, fuck the money. This country means more to me than the money. And I salute them just for that because I don't know if I could do that. But I think pointing out what the award is means more to an American than giving it to somebody where Americans aren't that familiar with people from overseas such as the Prince. I'm not being funny when I say this.

I'm being totally serious. When the Queen died, maybe three, four years ago, I was looking at Instagram and everybody was like, who, Queen Latifah? They didn't even understand who the queen is. You know what I'm saying? No disrespect to the queens. Americans are not that knowledgeable on the royalty overseas

because we don't have royalty. Shit is really kind of crazy to America. What you mean the queen, the king, the prince, and all this other shit? So I think pointing out what the award is is more important to who got it, not saying that the prince didn't deserve it, but I think the people need to realize

what the Pat Tillman award means. Yeah, and that was a great, great take, Killer. When you think about Prince Henry, I think Lomachenko should have won the award. If you think about what you just shared, because that's more in exact detail what Tillman did, and he lost his life out there. So when you take somebody who risked his all to go and defend their country, this is another person that followed that footstep.

Yeah, that's a good point. But why it couldn't be the Muhammad Ali Award? Muhammad Ali did the same thing. Muhammad Ali actually said he's not going to fight. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah, he didn't do the same thing. Okay, and then the winner for best NBA player player is luca maurice what do you think

no i thought i thought they were going to give it to um either tatum or brown um be that they won the championships and that those things would i thought that those things would have weighed in uh but i don't know when they cut off, when they do the voting for this stuff or whatever. Luka, you know, great player, but I would have gave it to, I think the most honorable thing would have been to give it to either Tatum or Brown for the Celtics. Well, actually, Mo, I disagree with you right there. If it was a cutoff date and it was the regular season, I think we've slighted SGA enough. SGA definitely had like a breakout year

and could have easily been the player of the year in the NBA. I don't know when the cutoff date was. I don't know if the championships were included. They didn't say when the cutoff date. It wasn't like the regular MVP award't say when the cutoff date. It wasn't like the regular MVP award when it's a cutoff date. So I'm not disagreeing with Mace or disagreeing with you, Mo.

I just think it's your opinion. damn, that was a good one. SGA or Luka. It's really great. Those are really great choices. But if you're going to ask me my personal opinion, and I don't know because we don't know what the cutoff date is, if it's regular season championships included, et cetera,

they actually gave Jalen Brown an award for best player in a championship series of any sport. So maybe they didn't want to give him more than one award. But if you're going to ask me my personal opinion for best player in the 2024 season, I'm going to go with the Joker. He actually won his third MVP this year. We're talking about Steph Curry has two, LeBron has four. I'm just thinking of some people were multiple MVPs.

We got to think about this. Kevin Durant only has one. Kobe Bryant only has one. Steve Nash has two. For him to get three league MVPs is amazing. This is not a regular thing. We sit here and talk about how much Kobe's an assassin and some people have him second on the list,

I'll have him third, which is still, I'm talking about in the history of the NBA, and he has one MVP ever, which is kind of crazy. I don't know how, you know, I wasn't monitoring it back then but I think you can't frown at three league MVPs. How many does Shaq have? I'm not sure. Maybe four.

Yeah. I believe four. I know LeBron's at four right now, but that can't be slighted. I'm not going to throw down the rug. It's possible that last year, not the year just passed, 2023, that he could have won that year as well. And B, they won the award, but the Joker probably missed the last seven or eight games when they were going neck and neck for the title, I mean for the award, but the Joker got hurt

and he wanted to ramp up for the playoffs. So this is a potential four-time MVP. And I see a lot of players that get mad at it. I've seen Boogie Cousins get mad at it. I've seen a few people be mad at him. How's we giving this nigga three league MVPs? Listen, players don't like that shit. And they was back-to-back.

They would have been back-to-back for us straight. Right, exactly. So we got a three out of four league MVP. So I'm going to go. I'm not mad at SGA. I'm not mad at R. And so I'm not mad at Luka. But if you're going to ask me, I'm just going to,

I don't know when the cutoff date is. I'm just going to have to go with the Joker being consistent this long. Yeah, and I'll just add really quick. I'm not mad at Luka either, but looking at the nominees, Jason Tatum, SGA, and Jokic, to me, especially on the logic of Titletown, what would make sense would be Jason Tatum or Jokic.

Luka's a phenomenal player, but if we're looking at specific stats, I kind of feel like it doesn't make as much sense. But he did work his ass off to perform well for his team so you said jason tatum or or yokich i feel like that would make sense to me though but of course luca played phenomenal so okay so moving along yeah maurice i was gonna ask a question. Do you think anything on this, both KMMs, is there anything even you said,

is there any, we all see these guys, of course they play well, Luka and a Joker. But do you think that there's any motivation or intention to help to grow the game internationally more by placing these guys as notable best players or them getting these awards? Are you saying it's a hidden agenda? That's exactly what I'm saying. I get what you're saying. I get exactly what you're saying.

My bad. I didn't mean to cut you. I'm sorry. Yeah, if I'm an owner, right, and you hear the same things we hear. The AAU program in America is watered down. The Youth Development League with you know what they do overseas they teach a lot more fundamentals right and if I was looking at this thing from a business standpoint which most of these guys do you just say how do

I get better assets right and these guys are humans and they play ball and we do what we do in America but I just say to myself like do do do these guys get together and you have these conversations with adam silver you look at this this new tv deal and they have uh they've agreed to distribute uh national games seven days a week on all these various platforms and they're paying people a shit ton of money and do you ask yourself do they say hey man we need to start letting guys believe that they can bring their talents over here excuse me so we can take them from their home countries at least so we can get better products in the NBA. As you were talking about that, Cam, that's kind of what went through my mind.

I understand what you're saying. That's a great question. Yeah, I think when it comes to international players, international players, for as long as I can remember, have always been present in the NBA. When you look at Vladi Divac, when you got Sabonis, when you got Petrovic, a lot of these guys were here for the early elite, I think at least the late 80s, early 90s. And now it looks like the way to expand the game.

I remember some summers they were having camps in Africa, and you would see different players that went to Duke and different guys that came into the NBA. They were doing camps for the kids. So there's been a long time making this happen to get those players to the NBA. But it's always been a plan. I don't think it's something that just came about. It's something that always been there to maximize the dollar.

You look back to Yao Ming when he went to Houston. That was a great way to bring even the Asian culture into the NBA. Then you see Jeremy Lin. When he had that week, I mean, he had Ben and Jerry ice cream. It's always been a way to market to new buyers. And with this TV deal, it just gives them more money to play with, to market to more countries. Because I remember when I was out in Australia,

they wasn't watching NBA, and I thought that was crazy. They wasn't watching it at all. It wasn't coming on the channels. Everything was like soccer. And I think between Adam Silver and the rest of the team, they just thought about it and said, you know what, we got to get this everywhere. Because the same way we watch it here,

they want people watching it all over the world. And bringing those players over here give us a better advantage to be able to get that to those markets. I see niggas bust niggas' ass. That's just that. I watch the Joker bust niggas' ass. I watch Luka bust niggas' ass. I sit there and watch Jarvis and Petrov Joker bust niggas' ass. I watched Luka bust niggas' ass. I would sit there and watch

Dries and Petrovich bust niggas' ass. Yeah, we want the best niggas in the world. That's the moral of the story, and I get what you're saying, Moe. It's like this, yo, Larry, let me ask you a question real quick, because you in the baseball. I ain't really into that shit.

No disrespect to what I'm about to say. I'm asking a question. Bring the microphone to your paws. When it comes to baseball, this is a rumor, and I don't know, because you're in the baseball, I'm not. Is it true that they go get more Spanish people so they can cheat them out the dollar as opposed to black or white Americans

because they don't know as much as business as black, so they'll go to South America or Puerto Rico or wherever? And I'm not disrespecting, I'm just telling you what they be saying, because they could get over. I definitely believe that that's the case on why they get a lot of the Spanish players. Right. Because? Because they can get over on them.

Why would they be able to get over? Because they don't know the business, they're poor, they're extremely poor over there, right? I mean, they start those kids playing, and they give them, they really sell them a dream, like a real dream. Right. And that's over there, right? I mean, they start those kids playing and they really sell them a dream, like a real dream. And that's their ticket, right? So. So the point being, the reason I'm saying that is, and I'm not saying people around the world don't know business, but if you could bring somebody over here

that's just as good as the American and not have to pay them as much in the beginning, you know they gonna come over here, it's like, oh, hold on, hold the fuck on the beginning, you know, they're going to come over here. It's like, oh, hold on. Hold the fuck on. I ain't know that all this was going on. Yeah. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? So I'm not saying I'm not calling nobody dumb. I'm not calling anybody stupid because if you don't know, you're not dumb. It's about learning. Yeah. So if you could get over and think, you're like, I caught this nigga for sure. These league. You want your sister to come over? Yeah. You want your aunt to come over? So if you could get over and, I caught this nigga for shorties league, man. It's like, you want your sister to come over?

You want your aunt to come over? I had to pay for that. Yeah, exactly. So I'm not saying that's the case for everything, but if you could get the best player for cheaper in the beginning, cause we sitting here seeing Luka contract, we sitting here seeing the Joker contract.

I'm not saying that they was getting jerked at all. I'm just trying to tell you how it works because if you could get paid at home, the same amount of money you could get paid here, they would stay home. We just talked about the other day, the Joker didn't want to stay for the parade after he won. He's like, parade?

Nah, I got to get back to the crib, my nigga. What you mean it's a parade, nigga? I got to stay three more days. He was trying to get home. And all them videos we saw that summer when he won the championship looked like he was having wild fun. They carry him in the cars.

He in the streets drunk. You got to think, that nigga's a super duper legend over there. Imagine how they treat him in Denver. How they treat him and where he's from. So I get what you saying Mo and, and I'm thinking that it may be a hidden agenda to try and make these players better than American players,

but we watching them bust American players ass, pause. We actually see it. Yeah. It ain't like, it ain't like we jerking niggas like, nah, nigga killed them niggas. We actually sitting it. It ain't like we jerking niggas like, nah, nigga killed them niggas. We actually sitting here watching Wemby throw it behind his back, dunked on a nigga. We actually seeing Luka fucking average fucking 35,

34 points in the conference finals. We're actually seeing the Joker win three out of four league MVPs, three out of four years. We're actually watching it. And those are just three names that I'm bringing up recently. We could go back to, like Mace said, we all sit here and talk about Sabonis on Sacramento.

Do you know his father? Father was aight. Detlef Shrimp, Dyson Petrovich, Gugliotta. Tony Kukoc. Great one, Tony Kukoc. Yeah, Tony Kukoc. Great one, Tony Kukoc.

Absolutely. Ginobili. Yeah. So, yeah, Ginobili. You know, Tony Parker. Parker. Yeah. So, I don't think, I think what you're saying is right, but niggas is like, and what Mace is saying is right, too, but I just think niggas is like, good good i'm glad niggas getting better around the world so we can market more it isn't like to me i don't think

they're being pushed we're forcing uh international players on ourself i think that we're observing and we're respecting what they do do you do you think that the rules over there too like i've been playing at 16 years old 15 16 years old playing professional, whereas like a 15-year-old kid can't go to the NBA and play those games. Like over there, Lucas, I think you told me before, me, you were talking, you said Lucas was like 15 playing against all these players. So the restriction of NBA players hurts us in America as well.

Yeah, and it sometimes can hurt the business because when they're signed to these teams, I forgot who that was. What was the point guard name? Oh, man, Rubio? Ricky Rubio. Yeah, Ricky Rubio, where he was already a pro in another country, so they already had him locked in in the deal.

So if y'all want him to come over there, you're really buying them from me. And that creates that kind of scenario. And I think that messes up the business. But talent-wise, it's a great idea. I don't know. That's a great question, Larry, because all I've been hearing is that AAU sucks.

It's watered down. Yeah. It's fucking, the parents think the kids are better than what they are. I've been hearing this for like the last year and a half, that AAU in America sucks. And as much as I want these young kids to get their money, I'm a super duper supporter of getting their money, it's kind of fucking it up a little bit too because they're getting money and sometimes if you're not one of them ones with your parents on your back, and I know I'm using the highest of high example, but if you don't have a Deion Sanders like

Shador or something like that, you're getting money and you may not be perfecting your skill set because you're just good enough and they be like, oh, you're going to go pro and go pro, but you're not working as hard as somebody like Chris Webber or Jalen Rose or people who's like, I got to keep playing because I got to get this money.

You're already getting the money, so some of these players' hunger dies down because they're getting the money right then and there. And I've been an advocate of them niggas getting the money for a long time,

but I'm seeing more poor and poor play they're getting the money right then and there. And I've been an advocate of them niggas getting the money for a long time. But I'm seeing more poor and poor play throughout the years. And the niggas overseas is coming over here. This year, like we said, we talked about two of the top three picks. It's not from America. This year. I know it was a weak draft and all that, but what are we doing? We're losing control, and that's why I was so adamant about the USA winning gold this year.

Don't let us win gold, and LeBron is out there, and Kevin Durant is out there, and Steph Curry is out there, and Jason Tatum is out there, and Ant-Man is out there, and Joel Embiid is out there, and we don't win? Now, we're favorites to win, but this will be a problem for America. Okay. I'll say this. All right, let's let you go.

I want to respond to what Cam was talking about, where he made me think of something where you can almost parallel it to music, music and sports, right? Where when you all were probably starting to do music, y'all did it from like a passionate place, right? And then there's people like who kind of like it, who get into it because they look at it as a means to an end right even though y'all probably wanted to make money

from doing music right and i kind of look at like where sports has come like sports were like you know when you come up in the neighborhood you're playing basketball football you know racing in the street and doing things competitive like i'm 40 years old so i come up in that era right uh but now like when you see these astronomical numbers there's a lot of parents who just maybe push your kids into sports just for that you know what i'm saying and so where like once the once the dollar is realized it was never in this person to want to become great at this thing right you don't really have people pursuing like i want to be great or i want to be the best or like when you had rap back in the day like it was like competitive you know I'm saying just because somebody wanted to say I'm

nice to you right and that was like the social currency and like when you just said that about you know AAU basketball it just made me think I said I wonder if that like is like I wonder if you ask a kid do you love the sport and love the game or do you love like the shit that you do from it? Let me give you a quick answer for that, right? I don't know if niggas was delusional or not, but niggas thought they was going to the NBA. You know what I'm saying? At least. You know what I'm saying? Mo, you really was on pace

to go to the NFL. I'm a two guard and I'm saying? Mo, you really was on pace to go to the NFL and all that. I'm a two guard and I'm six feet in 1990 whatever. It's not even realistic now that I sit there and look back at it. But we practiced every day. We would go to the park every night. Look, Sham Guard right now, Sham Guard is outside the window right now. Throw the window up there real quick. That's what I mean.

He didn't even come in here. Sham Guard just chilling outside right now. One of is outside the window right now. Throw the window up there real quick. That's how I mean. He ain't even come in here. Shamguard just chilling outside right now. The coach of the, one of the coaches of the Al-Marif, that's our homie. He just chilling. He made it to the NBA for a couple years. And he's a coach in the NBA now. But niggas will be outside dribbling the ball at night.

All night. All night. Niggas will go to the park by themselves. Shoot by themselves. Nobody there. Shooting the dark, shooting the rain. Do anything they could do to get better in basketball. Play one-on-one, three in the morning, et cetera, et cetera. Consistently. Yeah. We got a record deal.

We ain't do none of that shit no more. We figured out where the money was at. Play when we got a chance we wasn't going out there no more every night and we're still like 19 years old 20 years old that shit the point being is we need to figure out if if I got to work out every day to get to this money, then I'm going to work out every day. But now that I figure out where the money at,

I'll go play ball once in a while when I get a chance. I don't know if that answers your question. That was a good point about it messing everything up. Yes. Because that's exactly what I see. When we went to the finals, or what was that? What was that in the NCAAs? And we saw the team play from Kansas or whatever.

Yeah, Kansas State. And I saw niggas on the bench iced up. I said, yo, this ain't going to work. I knew right then and there, this ain't going to work. I knew right then and there, this ain't going to work. You can't get, you can't pay niggas pause before they do the job. Not black niggas. You cannot do that.

That is a, I don't know who came up with it, but listen. But see, that's the catch 22. You know, when I heard him, and real quick, I know we got to get a break in a minute, but I heard Andre Inquidala say this. He was on, I believe, with Carmelo or Gilbert. I forget who his show he's on. But he made a great point. He was saying NIL is fucking up high school and college because they're getting paid.

And it's diminishing their skill set. They're not as hungry as they need to be because they're getting money that certain NBA players are. Some may be getting more than a rookie in the NBA with endorsements. So he was saying that. And when I thought about that was this. NIL, and I'm not saying it's going to happen

because I want niggas to get their money. NIL should have money put in an escrow account until you're 21 years old and then you could go get it because you may sit there and be like, I got money on the way but at least if you're still working hard to

perfect your craft or your sport or whatever you're doing, the money's not in there. Maybe you take 10-15% so you can survive but you know the money's sitting there there. Maybe you take 10%, 15% so you can survive, but you know the money's sitting there. So if you do a deal with Gatorade for a million dollars, it's there when you turn 21. If you do a deal with Nike, it's there.

But if you're giving it to a nigga that's 17, 18 now, I know some 35-year-olds that if you give them a million dollars, they're going to lose their motherfucking mind. So imagine an 18, 19, or 20-year-old. That was my suggestion when I heard Andre Inquidala say that. But I do believe the kids need to get some of this money because they're making billions of dollars through high school or college sports.

But it is diminishing some of their skill set as well. Yeah, I agree with Killer. I think the age limit need to be the 25, though. 25, so you have to go to college you have to kind of pursue something and not just do it for the hustle of you know i get 21 i get the bread anyway so niggas don't even go to college so that's what i was thinking but that was an excellent take no i appreciate it i'd say 21 because you're going to nba you only got to be 19 to go to NBA anyway, so you're going to get the NBA contract when you're 19 years old anyway.

And you're going to get the endorsement deals outside of that when you're 19, 20, 20 years old. But if you're 16 and you're sitting here getting these awards, like tonight, and I know we brought this up about highlighting women's sports as it should be highlighted. But the breakout player of the year this year was Juju Watkins over – what's the nominees? I can't even tell you right now.

But last year was Angel Reese for breakout star players. And this is – when we're talking about this, we're talking about their competition in the categories of the pro players. Who's the? Yeah, Haley Bryant, CJ Stroud, and Wemby. Yeah. Kaylee, pardon me, Juju Watkins. Now, think about this. And shout out to Juju.

You deserve it, boo. You're a cutie pie. I think you're cute, man. I'm going to wait until you get in your 2021s, but baby hairs on the court. I like that. Over Wimby and CJ Stroup. Breakout player of the year.

Now you're talking about forces shit, man. She ain't even winning the chip. I'm not saying she ain't nice. Juju is nice as a motherfucker. CJ Stroud though? They forced it. They forced it. CJ Stroud, come on now.

Juju over CJ. It's a production. Nigga said, nah, nigga, this woman shit. Nigga, what the fuck is you talking about? Ladies night. Yeah, exactly. Over Wimby and CJ? I'm happy you got it.

I'm not down. I'm just saying. It's ladies night. Let's think about who's in the category. talking about. Ladies night. Yeah, exactly. Over Wimby and CJ? I'm happy you got it. I'm not down. I'm just saying, let's think about who's in the category

for breakout player of the year. CJ Stroud hot behind that. Yeah. It'll be all right. Okay. I'm not mad.

I don't want it to be like Cam Hain. I'm down. I'm just saying, I want y'all to know who's in the category. Who she beat. I'm voting for her. And I'm not hating. I'm just saying, I want y'all to know who's in the category, who she beat. I'm voting for her.

And I'm not hating. I'm just the objective voice on this show. Okay, we're going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss Bronnie's performance in the California Classic. Don't go anywhere. Pink horsepower. Pink horsepower. She call this thing about toxic.

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She's frustrated. There's only one way to handle that. Pink horsepower. handle that? Pink Horse Power. But your breath! But your breath is really refreshing! No, no, no, no, no. I'm just trying to give you a massage. Plus, have I told you how good your beard looks lately? It looks so good. No.

PHP. It works every time. Wait, where are you going? Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day. Today, the Fever will play the Mercury. Underdog fantasy has Kaitlyn Clark at 18.5 points. Do you have her higher or lower, Mace?

18.5? Yeah. Who they playing? The Mercury. Hmm. Nah, she ain't going to have higher than 18 against Diana. Diana definitely is coming to shut that down. I'm going low. She just had that on Diana already.

What she had against her last time? It's crazy, I'm going high. I think, I think the- Nothing, like, that wasn't a pause, no nothing. Larry's just funny. Anyways, back. I don't know. I don't know if I said pause or not. No, you did, you're good. I'm talking about some chicks. But pause, no nothing. Larry's just funny. Anyways, back. I don't know. I don't know if I said pause or not.

I'm talking about some chicks. But females, no disrespect. But I would say I think she's really fine in her rhythm. Whether it doesn't matter against what team. You know, it took her a while to get a little comfortable. She had 29 last game, I believe it was. Triple, double. High Angel Reese, that's what I said.

Their teams might not be at the top of the conference, but this Larry Bird, Magic Johnson thing is kind of happening. So I'm going to go higher. Okay. Aaliyah Boston is at three and a half first quarter points. Do you ever higher or lower? See what they're doing. See, I like Aaliyah Boston.

But it's just something about like, Aaliyah Boston is, Angel Reese is doing what Aaliyah Boston should be doing. Aaliyah Boston's killing in South Carolina. She got with the fever and of course you need help, but just having a fever be a number one pick again that goes to show she can't do it by herself and to be honest with you i'm not gonna sit here and their answer is lower and down and i'm definitely gonna change my pick for um the caitlin clock for higher okay and to answer your question she had 15 points points, but she had a migraine. Yeah, but she won, right? Yeah.

Yeah, it was a good game. I remember watching it. Yeah. Okay, and then Brittany Griner's at 27.5 points and rebounds combined. Do you have her high or lower, Mace? Lower. I'm going to go lower. Okay, download the Underdog Fantasy app, and you can make your picks too.

We are joined back with our analyst, Maurice Claret. So the Lakers Summer League team played the Heat the other night and lost 80-76. Today they will play the Rockets. But Bronny James in that game had three points. He was one for three from the field, five rebounds, and three assists. I know we've been hearing a lot of different expectations for Bronny, but what are yours and what do you see happening for brawny moving forward

murray's first um my expectation is and we talked about earlier in the show when uh cam was talking about you know kids playing over in different countries and developing but i think that uh we're watching brawny do that in real time. You know, he was the 55th pick. He didn't have a ton of playing time last year in real games with USC. And for me, my expectation is that he's probably going to, like, just have his growth spurt over the next two years. I don't think he's going to be, you know, some amazing breakout player, but he'll get his reps, you know, be it this preseason,

he'll get his reps at practice, and just over time, he'll become a better player. Maybe by the time Bryce has come to the NBA and he has this spotlight off of him, you know, his father did well with the spotlight. His father grew up different, raised different, you know, went through a whole different gauntlet to become who he is, has a whole different skill set, a whole different talent, everything. But Bronny is, I don't know if I'm saying this correctly,

but he's going through his developmental phase right now in front of everybody with a lot more criticism just because of who his father is. So I don't really have some crazy expectations for him. I'm happy he's out there, happy he's getting reps. I've seen that he tried to make fun of him, uh, when he was trying to, uh, guard the guy on the post, but you know, he had a decent game and you know, that's, uh, that's my opinion on it. Um, Mo, when you say he's going to have a growth spurt, are you referring to his height or are you talking about his game or both boss? No, it's mentality. mentality you know i think that he has to i think he has to grow

up under his father's tutelage but he has to have the and i don't know i don't have a better choice of words but he's going to have to like develop like that that fuck these niggas mentality you know and i think just growing up the way he's did with sierra canyon he grew up with his father in cleveland and just the way they were living but at some point when everybody's trying to bully you or everybody's trying to impose their will on you on behalf of them may not like your father they may not like your family success them believing that you don't belong there you're going to have to develop something internally i know that y'all is jokingly saying that the other day about taking him to harlem but that's all really what you're saying to have to develop something internally i know that y'all is jokingly saying that the other day about taking him to harlem but that's already what you're saying i need to get you around the niggas who who roofless who don't give a that that that actually wasn't white

gloved yeah we actually wasn't joking yeah like yeah but y'all know what i'm talking i don't i don't know how else to say it but it's it's like you get to that point where you're saying, like, Dad, I love you, and you removed a bunch of barriers and boundaries, and you put these things in place for me, but you have to go through adverse shit to develop your own mentality. And LeBron can do everything for him. He can have the invisible ham behind creating the the appropriate circumstances right he's supposed to do that but in order for brani to succeed on that court he's going to have to look people in their face and say you like ain't about to bully me about to chuck me out

and like you just you only get that just through adversity i think like when you look at lebron lebron was so good that there was some things that LeBron probably removed out of his way just because he didn't want to deal with him. But I don't think you can do the same thing with your son. And that's a whole different conversation. And that's no slights at him. But with Bronny, you have to allow him to go through his lumps and bumps by himself in order for

him to, you know, have the strength to develop into an NBA player. Yeah. for him to have the strength to develop into an NBA player. Yeah, I think when it comes to Bronny, as he continued to play each game, I would really like to just see more aggression pause from him. No matter what he scores, no matter what he does, just seeing him become more assertive in that role because the more and more it gets to this place where he's having two points, he's having three points, he's having four points. I truly believe he'll do much better than this.

Say if he was in a real game, he seemed to be like one of those players that play up to his competition. If you put him in there with his dad, the lakers with jj reddick everybody else can brony hit a shot yes will he hit a shot yes will he be able to guard some of the players at point guard some of them you know but i think he'll play better than what he's playing in summer league i think summer league is really exposing them in a lot of ways, but it's not exposing anything that the basketball purists didn't know. I think it's exposing it to the people that thought that this idea could work. He's definitely got to prove people wrong. He definitely got to

become very assertive and aggressive about everything that he's doing because right now it is looking like we're just going to make him a pro no matter what he does and that that'll wear off really fast when it comes to people because he's starting to hear the rumblings already i disagree when i say disagree no and i'm not disagreeing with you like that, but I disagree on the take. When you say he play up to his potential, I'm not waiting for another nigga that's good as me to play as good as I'm playing.

If I'm playing against niggas that's not that good, supposedly, I'm scoring 70. I'm trying to break a record. Just told me the other day, niggas started talking about you sugar niggas always acting like it was water on the floor. Listen, I'm trying to break a record. Just told me the other day, niggas started talking about you sugar niggas always hate to act like it was water on the floor. Listen, I'm trying to- Yeah, I'm trying to go crazy.

Yo, fam, I got the record today in Animal League. It was a tournament in Gaucho's gym. I had 70 points, because I was like, oh, nah, I'm getting... Today, I still got the record when I was 11 or 12. I said, these niggas try... Because Animal League was like an in-house. It wasn't like outside. It was all gauchos.

70. That's what I'm doing when I see bombs. I'm not going to say, I'm only going to have four and wait until I play against Young Life or Riverside to play a good game. I'm not doing that. That's why I'm saying I disagree. I'm not doing that. I see bombs, attack. Kill these niggas. That's what I'm not doing that. That's just, that's why I'm saying I disagree. I'm not doing that. See bombs attack.

Kill these niggas. That's what I'm saying. That's the part I was disagreeing on murder. You know, damn well. Yeah. If you, if you,

I'm saying, I know we wouldn't do that. I'm saying that's what you're saying. That's what the rich kids do. Like if you get them against somebody, he's good. Then he's like, Oh,

this is a game I have to play today. Cause he's already on the team. He's not motivated. He's clearly not motivated, but he's good then he's like oh this is a game i have to play today because he's already on the team he's not motivated he's clearly not motivated but he's saying if we're against this and now we're in front of snoop and snoop is front row and drake is over there is he going to turn up absolutely because now he's on that bright stage he doesn't feel like he has anything to prove here he already got signed four years 7.9 million dollars right so the summer league is for niggas who's trying to make the team so every play they trying to show you i belong on this team every nigga get the ball is like look at me some of you pass it to a nigga look at me you know i'm saying when brani get the boys like

You pass it to a nigga, look at me. You know what I'm saying? When Bronny get the ball, it's like, nigga, I'm already rich. That's exactly the vibe that he gives when he get the ball. I understand. If you look at it from that point of view, I get it. But I'm not talking about you. If that's your mentality, nephew, I don't know if that is. That's what Mace is saying.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying 100%. But if that is, that's not going to make Snoop come to the game. That's not going to get the players to come to the game. They're going to be like, I'll come see Pops. But look. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying he'll wait to play when it's the Lakers.

Like when everybody's in the front row, then he'll be dunking, doing all kinds of. No, I understand your point totally. But what I'm saying is having these games is not motivating me to come wait to the Lakers game. Like, I'm going to still go if you're saying, like, Jack Nicholson and everybody. I go anyway. But these California Classic games,

it's not one of them joints where you be like, yo, I got to beat traffic. I got to hurry up. Them niggas come in. So I'm not disagreeing with your point. I'm just saying that these games are not motivating me to want to see him play against the higher level. Because look, and like you said,

when he plays against what the Lakers, et cetera, et cetera. What I've been seeing in Mo, listen, this is where I fuck with you, Mo. Real Ohio nigga. This is not going to say nothing at all about it. Gross spurt. And we watching them develop in front of our eyes. I dig it, nigga. I dig it.

I still got some Harlem left in me. That's why I'm saying it, because I know y'all ain't going to say it. I just said with you you talk about he waiting I'm not saying you'll be a nice too and that's my nephew you see Rich Paul came in yesterday like yo I said Richard did your job man it's time for enough to do his job. You'll be a nice dog. But no, I think he wait and Moe talk about gross spurt. And we watching the development. Look, man, I don't like what I'm seeing. I'm being honest.

I love nothing. You don't like it. I don't like it. I'm being honest. I don't like it. I'm not going to even sit here and act like I do like it. I don't. Secondly, what I'll tell you is this.

It is not by accident. It is not by accident. I'm telling everybody, the family at Clutch, of course my James family and everybody else, these Mikey Williams highlight tapes is coming out of nowhere. Where he's looking like an animal that just got out of a cage. These fucking Mikey Williams. I don't know if you guys have been seeing it, but since Bronny been playing, the last three days,

I've been seeing some wild shit from Mikey Williams that I didn't even know. I know Mace used to talk about him a couple years ago. I don't know if he grew more into being a man, got stronger, because I've seen some of his high school shit. The shit I've been seeing the last three days, his workout, I don't think he waiting for the Cali... You talking about

the California Classic? This is what I'm talking about. You talking about the wait for the to come to the plate again? I think if Mikey is in the California Classic right now, he's going crazy. He's going to break right now, he's going crazy. He's going to break a rim.

He's going to try and shake Nick. This is what I'm trying to explain to you. You talk about Nick out of the way. Put Mikey in the California Classic tonight. That Nick going to get 40. That Nick, I don't know. He was looking crazy. I don't know if the audience seen it.

Real quick, Nick. Listen, I don't even know what page it is. If you got a hashtag, hashtag Mikey Williams. He's been telling us about him for a couple years. But the new Mikey Williams since the gun chase. I want to get my credit. I just told you. He said, but the new Mikey.

Bro, what I'm trying to tell you. That's what he's been doing. Bro, but what I'm telling you, I've seen this highlight. I've seen this highlight this high school. I'm not. I'm just saying. All them niggas want more credit than you give them. I said I wouldn't even known about the nigga if you ain't tell me who he was.

Nigga want more and more credit. You give a nigga dessert. Pause. You want ice cream. Yo, you want to tell me. Goddamn, I said I didn't know who he was until you told me. I'm just saying, I went and checked his highlight reel. When you told me about him, it was sensational.

And don't get me wrong, these is all practice drills he's doing, but it's looking like John Morant. It's changing direction, pause. It's looking like John Morant. It's changing direction, boys. It's crazy. It's ridiculous. And the authority on the dunks and the, you know, Mikey in the classic tonight, 40. He not waiting till Jack Nicholson and them niggas get to the arena

and all that. And it's not by accident. That's what I was saying before I go. It's not by accident that these tapes are popping up. They like, oh, this is what y'all like? We show you a monster, nigga. Word. Hashtag Mikey Williams.

Y'all want to see some wild stuff. I don't think I've seen a better practice tape in probably three, four, five years. Practice tape is crazy. Can I ask y'all two a question? When y'all played high school, when you were in ninth or tenth grade, did y'all both play varsity? Y'all both played varsity in the ninth or tenth grade? How was it for y'all when y'all went up?

Did y'all dominate right away or no? I'm just curious. I didn't know if y'all – I know you're ninth or tenth grade. You're playing against guys that are older. I've been playing unlimited noise since I was 13, 14. Okay. So when you're 12 and under, there's biddies, 14 and under, there's midges, like 16 and under juniors,

the 18 and under seniors. I played all of them since I was 12, 13 years old. So it didn't really. So it didn't affect you at all? Nah, it didn't affect me. Yeah, yeah, okay, that's all. Yeah, we was always playing up. Oh, okay, I got you.

I just, I was curious. And I didn't get to, me and Mason didn't get to the same school. I played ninth grade somewhere else. But it ain't like Catholic school in New York. Like, you got, I woulda never did that anyway. You know, you got freshman, junior varsity, then varsity. I'm not doing that shit, nigga.

I'm varsity from the jump, nigga. That's right. I ain't doing that shit, nigga. I'm varsity from the jump, nigga. I ain't doing no junior varsity. I'm already playing against grown men at 13, 14 years old. I got you. Okay, and then before we go, we got to discuss Dwayne Wade. So he reveals he's considering creating a nail care line. He said one of his favorite pastimes is getting manicures with his daughter. I do this every time.

I'm going to do this every time. I do this every time. You're stuck. You're stuck. You're stuck. You're stuck. Laughing to get paid. I need to get paid. Get paid.

I need to get paid. Baris, thanks for being here. That's all the time that we have for today. Thanks for watching. And as always, it is what it is.