IT IS WHAT IT IS - GIANTS LANDED JOHN HARBAUGH, TANK DAVIS DRAMA & NFL DIVISIONAL ROUND PICKS

Episode Date: January 15, 2026

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It is what it is. This episode is presented by Underdog. If you're new to Underdog, today's the day. Get $75 in fantasy bonus entries when you play just $5 on fantasy with code. It is what it is. So for divisional weekend, Underdogs adding a gimmee pick on a QB of your choice from any other wildcard games to get started. So Underdog is available right now in most states, including Florida, Texas, and California, just to name a few.

So make sure y'all support. the show, hit that subscribe button, lock in your bonus, and start playing today with code. It is what it is. I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stap Baby, along with your host, Mace, and Cam. And today we are joined with our analyst, Michael Irvin. Killer Mike, what's good, man? What's going on? I'm good, man.

Mike, how you doing, brother? But I'm doing great, man. I'm doing great, man. Just happy to be here, man. It's happy to be here. Good, good. Mike, you're trying to be a part of the. quarter zip nation or what?

Yeah, I know, man. What it is, now let me be real with you. What is, is it's cold outside here. So when I go work out, put on, I put on, I go in my habit closet. I got to put on the sweaters. And then when I get out of there, I just want to throw something on.

And, you know, the quarter's just easy. It's just an easy throw on. You gotta flatten that and up. You go. So yeah, it's just been, I just guess, And you know what else too? This is in the area of my closet. I was ready to throw this stuff away,

but I haven't had time to. And now since it's all coming back, I'm like, see, this is why I don't throw away nothing. It always comes back. Mike, that was a mean flexured this day. You said when I go on my heavy closet, that means several closets. When I go on my heavy closet, I like that.

Yeah, you got different closets. I got different clothes. Yeah. Don't y'all got that? I do. I mean, yeah, I have a house. I live five, six closets in the house and live by myself. So, yeah.

Right, right. That's what I'm saying. And, you know, I'm kind of getting like that, too. But, but, but, but, dog, I'm just messing with people. I remember when a nigga had no closet and all the dirty clothes were piled up in a bungal on a sheet and you used to tie the ends together because you didn't have no basket. You had no clunger a basket. You put everything on this sheet.

You tied them two ends and then these two ends. And I mean, that's what it was. I used to have to, because, you know, I'm the 15th or 17. So it wasn't like I had clothes pressed out, put together right so I can go to school. Man, I used to have to open that dirty bung and grab them dirty clothes and they get put them on. Let's go.

You know what I'm saying? No, Mike, listen, I've been there. I've been there too, but what we're not going to do is we're not going to have survivors remorse. We're not going to explain why we're we got a heavy class. No, no, no. Yeah, we're not going to explain.

I'm not talking about it. Yeah, you see I didn't participate. I'm gonna tell you all this. I swear, I know we gotta get to this show. I'm gonna tell you all this, but I swear I ain't never really tell everybody's, because you know, you do, you this big in the family, you know, and okay, your mom,

it ain't really watching you all the time. You can kind of sneak in and sneak out, you know, and I used to, a young dude, You wet the bed a little bit, right? And you got it supposed to clean yourself up. Now, I didn't clean myself up all the way. I never forget when they started busting us out. They busts me all the way out there.

And this was a little lady. Man, this mug. Right. And it was Ms. Doris. Miss Doris. Miss Doris said to me, I must have been the second, third grade. She looked at me and she said, hey, boy, we got to get you. Boy, you smell like piss.

Mike, you was seven years old peeing in the bed. Oh, my God, though. I swear, though. And I thought I cleaned myself up better. You know what I'm saying? You know, you're trying to hide it. I'm trying to hide it, clean myself up, and get to school. And I guess I didn't clean myself up right.

And Ms. Doris, she pulled me in there. Dude, listen, to this day, she stained me. That's why I got all these clothes. I ain't gonna never not have it again. You know, she stayed me with that, man. I'll never forget that, boy. She said, because she was saying, she was basically saying,

they're busting you out here, boy, you're making us look bad. You smell like that. She cleaned me up. She would clean me up and put me in school, man. I don't know why I shared that, man. No, that's good to know, because, listen, you know, it's funny, my mother, she was really, she was happy that she didn't have to get bust,

but people don't know what that bus ever was like, getting bused outside. Right. you know, when schools were starting to get, was already segregated, and, you know, that's another topic for another day, but that was really something. Think about just having to get from a black neighborhood

and being like, yo, we're going to start to segregate schools, get on this bus and drive 15 miles to this all-white school. And my mother always used to talk about them. All of them kids. Yes, right. Yeah, all of them kids. And they were all for, dude, I'm going to tell you, I swear, I thought I was the dumbest person in the world when I went out there, man.

I never even thought about it. The lady said, who knows their colors? Everyone in white kids raised in here. I don't know no colors. You know what I'm saying? Who knows how to spell your name? See, because they had all the preschools and we didn't have that stuff, man.

It was, yeah, that was, that was, that was, that was a little shocked to the nervous system. Culture shock. Yeah, definitely a deeper discussion, but hopefully we can hear more stories from you over time. because it is interesting to hear. Okay, so we got a lot to talk about today.

We're going to start. So after 19 seasons, Mike Tomlin stepped down as coach from the Steelers. So we discussed this a little bit last episode, but Mike, we got to know your opinion. Do you think it was time? And then what do you think is next for Mike Tomlin? Anything Mike Tomlin wants to do, and I'm going to go back because we can talk about what's things. He can have. He can do, you know.

He could take an opportunity to coach somebody because there's so many openings right now. Or, you know, what people have been talking about, a lot of people have been talking about, is he can take a year off and get in the TV and just take a break. But I love the way that Pittsburgh Steelers and the Rooney family allowed this to transpire. You know, and I love the way he handled it by walking in him. himself and not putting anybody through it. And I guess, you know, when you hear fan base saying, you know, fire and, you know, all of the disappointment from the fan base, the booze and everything, he's a man of pride,

you know, and he just, okay, he steps away. The question is, when you look through it all is how much, how much, how much input do you have on a quarterback situation? because that's what stopped them from going anywhere is the quarterback situation and just how much input did he have in it all the way through? You know what I mean? But a hell of a Hall of Fame career

and whatever Mike wants to go, Mike can write his ticket and go. You know, and yeah, but it was time. It was time, and I'm glad he got to do it on his terms. Yeah, I think I agree with you to the extent of saying that he did it on its own term. But the writing was on the wall. He knew it was coming, pause.

He knew if he didn't do it, they was going to do it for him. It's not like he just went in there and just said, you know what, I'm going to go ahead and do this. The booze indicated this time. The losses indicated this time. And, you know, great shout out to him for having a Hall of Fame career. But I don't want to be insensitive to the people that are paying them this money. They're paying them to get them.

a job done. And if you don't get the job done, you got to get out of there. So I think this was perfect timing to a degree, right? Because he's able to get ahead of the bad situation. But he's also got major options. I mean, right now, you could take Mike Tomlin and put him in, you know, the Baltimore Raven system. And all of a sudden, he got to a better situation than he was already in to me. So I look at it like that, you know, we got the 19 years. You got to I had 13 years of them playing well and making the playoffs. But I think when it comes down to it, he got ahead of it. We talked about it earlier this week on the show that this was where it was going.

I think Keller brought it up. And if I'm not correct, he brought it up that, you know what, it was going to get to this place where it was going to say it's a mutual agreement. And this is exactly where it ended up. So I give him a shout out for getting ahead of it. That's what you should do if it's something out there. that you want to get ahead of. You don't want to wait until is at your doorstep,

and he couldn't wait another day, I don't think. With all of this going on, all the other coaches moving, they threw Mike in the portal. He knew his name was going in the portal, so he got ahead of it. So shout out to Mike Tomlin for getting ahead of it before they throw you in the portal, you know. And bless him on his future,

because I know he'll end up going to, I think he's going to end up into Baltimore. and Ray Ravens and it's going to be better for him. He got the quarterback he needs to move forward. So shout out to Mike. Mike. I gave my opinion on this. We just want to really see what you said, Mike.

Right, but let me ask this. And here, here's, you know, just a thought here. And I don't know, and that's why I'm asking it. And I thought about when Mace was talking just then. Like, when you step down, doesn't that mean you forgo the money that they owe you? If they fire you, they still have to pay you. And I think he had, I don't know, what,

you'll take the number of you had a year or two. Yeah, right. So, but if he stepped down, then that means you keep your money. I'm just going to step away, right? So that, that hangs in the balance. I don't think they owe him that money if he steps down. They owe him that money if he would. So for 16 million,

Okay, I'm proud I am, you want to say you fired. Thank you. Give my money, let me get out of here. You see what I'm saying? But if you step up and say, you know, that's a hell of a thing. So I don't know how that plays out. But I just thought about it when Mace was talking. Like, okay, if I'm stepping down and I leave that $16 million,

because, you know, that's back pay. If you were picking those quarterbacks, I told you we should have got him and you took him. Give my money and let me go. I could have taken that approach. But I'll check and see if that's the way. If he stepped down, do you forfeit that money? Very interesting perspective.

Okay, so moving along, now we've got to talk about the Ravens. So the Ravens owner, it seemed like he had a lot of fun. Steve Bashati at his first press conference in about seven years. So he said a lot of things. So I want us to go and kind of break down some of the things that he said, starting with John Harbaugh. So a reporter asked him, if Tyler Loop made that field goal, is John Harbaugh still here coaching?

He responded for a week. He also responded to comments from Tony Dungey saying, this was a bad decision. Good luck finding somebody better than John. He said he wanted to call Tony and say, you remember John from 18 years ago? How can you take our success and use it against me while we're out here trying to find the next John Harbaugh?

That's impossible. So Mike, see you laughed at some of the things I yet to say. What do you make of his comments regarding the coach? Well, well, there's a lot of that. There's a lot into all. of that, you know, and in Coach Hobart, first of all, talking about coach Tomlin, that would be insane. And it suggests, which I think it's interesting and I don't think will happen.

Okay. Go get the brother. He can work with the brother better than you. And I'm talking about, because you got a black quarterback, go get the brother to work with that brother better than you because there's a lot of things going to do. on in Baltimore. I thought it was one time Lamar trying to get out. And I thought Lamar was trying to get back to Miami.

I'm still going to believe that. And if he wants to get out of, he has to have an issue with somebody that he didn't think they would get rid of. And maybe that was John. And then all of a sudden, they got rid of John and Lamar maybe, you know, maybe he'd have in Baltimore, but maybe he really wanted to get to Miami. What if John go get to Miami job? And, you know, there's so much in that right there.

Because there's so many openings, man. And so many, this thing's going to fall out. It's going to be an interesting fallout on who lands with who. But that would be interesting to see, Shadi goes over and hire, hire Mike Tumblin. And you give him this brother quarterback. And one thing he's always been great with is dealing with his players. You know, this is the guy, well, you know, you got Levyon Bell in and Tony O'Brown.

And, you know, they were pretty straight when they were with him. You know, things kind of went off the wire when they left him. So he has a reputation of being great with people. It would be interesting to see him at Baltimore. It really would be interesting. But John Hubbaugh is going to get another job. And what they mean by finding another John Harbaugh about 18 years ago, finding somebody that was this young and on a cutting edge trying to,

to cut in. You know, and that's what John was on the defensive side. I thought that he's looking for maybe a John Harbaugh on the offensive side 18 years ago, trying to go find one of the offensive geniuses are great guy to bring in a great system to help Lamar get over that hump is what I thought he was considering. Yeah. So what do you think of the owner's comments regarding the coach? Because he basically said, you know, if Tyler Loop made the field goal, would he still be around?

he said for a week and then basically he was offended by Tony not offended but like he didn't really like Tony Dungey's comments about saying like finding a new heartball because he had found a hardball from the ground up well the same thing makes for saying about your boy yeah right seven days you've been right back your jane yeah i think i think they're right and again this whole this whole um there's several teams that were all on the clock right and every team that was on a clock if they didn't perform this year is going to be up, you know, and things are going to change for them. I would even go at far saying Buffalo was another one of those teams.

So whether we're talking about the Ravens, whether we're talking about who else was there? What's the other team? The Bills are definitely one of those teams. The Steelers are one of those teams. These are teams that had the win this year because of everything that happened previously, you know. So when it comes down to that, they only had one other young coach he could have been talking about.

And that's the Miami, the new Miami head coach. And I don't think that would have happened because he doesn't seem like he doesn't seem like he's hardballed material. But that's the closest thing to that statement. So I don't know what he's talking about realistically. Excuse me. Well, yesterday we had more recent on the show. and I was saying, it was a great show,

shout out to Maurice. And I was saying yesterday, if Mike Tomlin go to the Baltimore Ravens, nigga, we might as well make this the new logo. That shit going to be blackly black. It should be motherfucking, but it should be motherfucking Mike Tomlin in the middle. Derek Henry on this side,

Lamar Jackson on this side, and niggas coming through like this. I said that's going to be some black on black shit, and niggas will love it. And I said, that's what I want to see. I want to see him go to the Baltimore Ravens and say hello to the Pittsburgh Steelers twice a year. Yeah, I'm over here.

And I was real excited about it. But I thought about it, right? Between yesterday and today. And I'm not saying that Mike Tomlin wouldn't take the job. Now, let me finish this statement because the owner's wow. The owner's a wow, nigger. But, excuse me. I think that the Rooney's treated Mike Tomlin really, really good.

I know Mike Tomlin stepped down. So I think Mike Tomlin is as attractive, and don't get me wrong, I have no knowledge of this, is as attractive as the Baltimore job is. That's great, Dan. Yeah, attractive as the Baltimore job is with a MVP quarterback, a future Hall of Fame running back with Derek Henry. You wouldn't go in the division because it isn't like y'all left on bad terms. And the Rooney's are great owners.

So you don't want to throw that in their face like, yeah, I'm coming over here, because it isn't even like they fired you. You know what I'm saying? There's one thing if you take you out the building, but you don't want to sit there and be disrespectful to people who actually treated you good for the last 19 seasons.

Correct. So that's the only reason. When I thought about today, I'm like, damn, it would, that's, we would love to see that as black people. Nigger Tomlin, Lamar Jackson, Derek Henry, that advertisement. be crazy, man. You know what I'm saying?

But the Rooney's was too good, so I don't think that he would do that to the Roonies. As far as the owner for the Baltimore Ravens, that's a wild, nigga, listen, man, I see why he ain't do a press conference in seven years. He gives off racism. You know what I'm saying? The way he'd be talking to shit,

and I don't want to even use racism because John Harbaugh isn't even black. He'd be talking. slick about John Harbaugh, and he was basically like, yeah, whatever. Basically, if they made the playoffs, where he still have his job, and he's like, well, he basically said he'd have his job to whatever we get bumped out the playoffs. No, he said another week.

But he basically said, that nigga was out of here, like it or not. That's just that. He wasn't going to, he almost, might as well said, the only thing that might have kept him here was a Super Bowl. But he says some of the statements I know stat is going to get. get to, but I don't think that he's going to stay. But I don't think that Mike Tom is going to go there. I would love for him to, but I think the Rooney's been too good to him.

Back to John Harbaugh, John Harbaugh actually got the job with the Giants. He's going to be the coach of New York Giants. Did you get, did it just answer that? We'll get more into it, but basically, yes. Yeah, yeah, Mike, that's what I do, Mike. I'm giving you information. I'm like, I'm letting you know, son. Yeah, you are.

I didn't even hear that. Hold, let me say this, don't, though. Because you know what, man, you're so dead ass on Rooney, on the Rooney's, man. You're so right, dog. And that's why the things I thought about. I didn't die into a deep, but you're so right. They gave him the time to do it his way, and they gave him time to get it right.

To get it right. They gave him a lot of years in the playoffs, man. I just like what you gave him. I just like that you gave up that and acknowledged them for that because I thought that was an incredible thing. And I don't care what they said. I know you got a nickname named Killer nigger, but you got a heart up there.

I appreciate your head. I appreciate you. You know what I'm saying. Yo, Mike is wonderful. Nah, you can't do that to the Roonies. I mean, like I said, you know, but even though. Rooties are four. They're full.

Yeah, they're for the black. Listen, they got the shit, they actually got the shir. The rule is the ruining rule. I was just about to say it's called the Rooney Rule. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. I ain't gonna lie.

I love you coming up with that, bro. I ain't go lie. That's real. Yeah. Okay, so since we were talking about Mike Tom and let's discuss his quotes about that before we go to what he said about Lamar Jackson. So of course people were kind of asking him, like, do you actually see him as being a potential candidate?

And we're seeing more of his personality and how he reacts to things. So he says, holy shit, wouldn't that be awesome? Only if John takes the Pittsburgh job, which now we know from Cam, that's not going to be happening. But he said, then after seeing Mike Tomlin doing all this last week, he'd probably be disqualified from the job. But from what we've seen from his personality and how he's answering these questions and navigating the conversation, like, do you see that as sarcasm? Do you see that as actual truth? Or do you think he's just playing around? Like, do you actually see that as something?

Or you think, like, not this point. is too far gone for Mike Tom to even potentially be a candidate for the Ravens coach position. What was interesting is that he said, well, if John takes a other position, and then maybe so as if, as if, well, we had a great relationship.

And he was saying what Cam just said about the Rooney's and everything. But that's not the situation. Like they were saying, you know, Hey, they just made a phone call and said, nigga, don't call me. I mean, John don't come in. We should be fired.

So they didn't even let the men come to the office, right? They just told you to send the bed, don't get out of there since you couldn't get, I'm saying, out of the regular Cedar. You know what I'm saying? You could get us. So, yeah, that's what was interesting to that. Well, you know, and for him, because it sounds like in one point,

they have beef or they have a little issue. And then in that point, you come back and say, well, John take the other job. If you got issues with him, you know, most dudes are going to take the job. So you know we act as funny when we left this thing. You know, that's why I was saying it's the opposite of what went on in Pittsburgh.

So yeah, yeah, but you're right. It's interesting that you brought up he hadn't done interviews in seven years because they hire people, they hire PR people. And obviously, the PR people help you like, listen, we can help you this way. You're not doing any more anymore. Right.

That's what I got. That's exactly what I took from that shit. PR told that the PR people say, just stay away from a microphone. That's what I took from that. When I saw them and Stapp read that, that's to me, that's exactly what I thought, Mike, what you just said, that the PR team was like,

yo, keep this nigger away from the cameras and the microphone, because he's a PR night. for the Baltimore. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt me. Go ahead. No, that's it. You're right. That's all that I was talking about. Yeah. And then, Mace, do you see it as sarcasm, or do you think, like, potentially could actually happen? No, I don't, I don't think it could happen. He said, that's that. No. It's clipped. I think real quick, I don't think it could happen, but back to what the owner was saying, like, that owner's crazy. So he was, so basically, you know,

just for clarity, for some people who may not understand what we're saying. The owner basically was axed, just found out a real time when Mike Tomlin left Pittsburgh. So he was asked, would you hire Mike Tomlin? And then basically he said, holy

shit. That's exactly what he said. Like, not even very much. He said, holy shit. And it looked like his light balls was clicking. He was like, damn, maybe. Then he says, well, if John takes the Pittsburgh job, then we'll hide, maybe we'll take Mike.

Then he says, well, maybe after what happened to him last week, we won't take him. Basically, yo, that nigger was, yo, that nigger was, you know, that nigger was like, nah, that nigger lost the same way. We lost. We don't really want to fuck with that nigger Neville. Like, that niggas, wow, yo. In real time. Yeah, in real time.

Like, so. In real time. Yeah, so basically that's what I was like, it ain't even really racist. This nigg this is gonna say what's on his mind. He's a rich nigger because we know he's an owner. And basically he's not going to hold no punches. But like Mike said, I thought that was a great take, Mike.

We have a PR team for a reason. And the PR team basically says, get away from the microphone, stay away from the cameras. But basically, they had the same head coach for the last 17, 18 years. So it was really no reason to approach the media for the last however many years. So maybe that's why he's been away. But now it's time for him to say something about firing John. And you can imagine what was having can, right? Like, so you can imagine, right?

So you know they made them give, give the PR team, made them the interviewer give us the questions. And all the questions, trapped him with it. And then this story broke. Right. So when they, with the story broke and she interjected, the PR team said, oh shit, we're going to get this question. You know they were going to go and exactly.

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. I could imagine I could see that man. That's funny, man. Oh my God. Yeah. That's funny.

I will just add the opposite perspective real quick because it's interesting how we, because I think we're all in unison of how we perceived it. It's just like maybe you should kind of take him away from the mic. But there's also a whole other half of people who are like, I love this energy from him. He's raw. He's honest. Like he needs to be in front of a mic more. So it's interesting how he can kind of, I want to say get away with it.

But it's like if some other people did that, it would be viewed very differently. differently but for whatever reason for him there's like a big split of people who were just like we want to see more from him so to be to be honest to your points that it was raw and unkind yeah you know it was yeah I mean it was it was it was it was something different that we don't usually see for my owner so yeah right right okay but let me let me interject let me understand so we especially we as the you know understand me and raw and Don't mean that's what you like it is good.

This man got a whole big billion dollar business to run. We're trying to, we, we, we measure it on street level. Do we real, new one of the little, real, new. Get out of here with that. He talked about his billion dollar business. That's what his PR team is talking about. We are running this up here, not raw and uncut and losing money down here. I just wanted to drop that out because sometimes,

Us as people think, be raw and real. Be raw and real. Okay. He can be raw and real and real and mess up. You'd be raw and real. You're going to be raw, real broke and messing around. But I will say to that is this. He ain't more raw than the president.

We voted for the president. The numbers. He's just saying, we voted. He ain't nowhere in there the president, not raw or not cut. That's a different role. I'm just tell you what the direction of the country's going in, Mike. And those are also still real different pockets. I will add that.

Okay. So last quote from this press conference that I want to talk about before we move on. So he was asked how much of a say will Lamar Jackson have in the head coach selection? He responded, a lot of say, but he has no power. I have the power. They have opinions and I want them all. I care about my players very much, but I can't give them power. Mike, what's your opinion on that perspective?

It's oxymoronic. That's what you're working. It's contradicting. It's contradicting. If you have a say, then you have some power. You know, you're taking his counsel. That means you're spending time to take his counsel, and you're going to make a decision,

and you're going to consider the things that he said, then that's power. He just didn't say it right. He says, obviously, you know, I'm going to take his counsel, but I get the final decision is a better way to say it, and that's what we're talking about, his PR team is probably there.

But if I give you, if I give you leeway in the way I think, then you got power. You have power. You're altering the way I think. So it makes no sense. to me. I try to make sure the people that can't advance my future not have any power. So why am I listening to you? If I listen to you in any way, is it going to help advance me personally? That's how you consider everything that you hear on the social media. And you're going,

create, you got to respond to this, respond to that, respond. Just respond. where you got to response to somebody and that somebody can help as you personally. Anybody else that means you're talking backwards. So for him to say that is oxymoronic. It's

not reality. You can't say he has a say but have no power. He has power when he has a say into your brain before you make the decision. That's all I'm saying. So he just I just think, you know, he needs better way of saying things.

Yeah, I totally agree with what he's saying. Actually, Mike, I don't believe it's oxymoronic. I think this is the time that we're in where black people are allowed to speak, but they don't really have power. I think is exactly what he was saying. Like, I'm going to let you talk, but I'm not going to go with anything you're saying. I think that's a valid, a valid stance that a lot of people have. But they let people talk, but they're not going to consider actually what they're saying.

They're letting them talk so they could say that they were heard, but they were never heard. The decision that they were going to make, they were going to make that decision whether they talked or not. I believe this. I believe this wholeheartedly. I don't even believe this like a little bit. My whole heart, I believe this. I believe I'm saying, like, because you're the quarterback, I got to make you feel like you're heard. but I'm not going to listen to what you're talking about.

You smoke and weed, you're doing all of this. Boy, I'm not. I got a business to run. And we call it a lot of things, but I think that's what it boils down to. Just like we're sitting here right talking about this, right? But there's a lot of things going on. If we were to talk about it,

there's people that will listen and there people that won't listen because they don't feel like our horses matter. Right. The only thing pushback I got on it before Canada go, one quick pushback. It is, is, is this. The thing was that I heard there were issues between John and Lamar. And now, and the question was, who was going to be gone?

Lamar wanted to go to Miami and John, you know. And obviously, you made the decision to fire the man that had been there for eight years. 18 years have been there for much longer than Lamar, right? So, so you're not working with him every day. It's Lamar that's working with him every day. So whatever Lamar said to you, obviously got him out of a up out of here. So now don't come back to me and tell me he doesn't have any power. Or see, I believe he's trying to say that so you can believe he didn't get John's fire.

He didn't got no power. He didn't get John's fire. It wasn't really talking about who was going to he wasn't going to have any power on who he hired. I thought he was saying he really don't have any power. So he ain't really the one. I can't tell you he the one that told me his fire a job. You see what I'm saying? That's what I kind of assess and say when I heard it.

That's just me. My thoughts. Oh, yeah. I totally get where you were coming from. I just 100% believe the opposite. I believe we're in a place where even though people are making a certain amount of money, they don't have a voice in the real conversation. That's why we got to watch what we say.

When you really have power, you don't have to watch what you say. No matter how crazy we talk, we still, to a degree, watching what we say. When you don't care, you can say whatever you want to whoever you want, wherever you want, and it doesn't matter. And that's not what we see. We see a lot of selective power. That's what I believe. I think both you make great points.

I think both you cut points are valid. I just didn't like what the niggas said of Lamar. If Lamar want to be a part of this process, he better bring his ass down here. That's exact words. He said, he would have bring his ass down here if he wants to be part of this, because this is long days every day with these interviews.

So if he won't be a part of the process, his ass better be here. And I called Lamar and told him, bring your ass here if you really want to be a part of hiring the coach. And I'm like, yo, this nigg is wild, yo. That should I'm talking about. I know right now.

This thing is, wow, yo. That's how I took the shit. Bring your ass down here if you want really be part of about this shit. I said, that's a wild nigger right here. That's why I was saying. I thought it was a little come more racist, but he talked about Jim Harbaugh. I mean, John Harbaugh.

all the same way. So it wasn't racist. It's just the type of nigger that he is, man. Yeah, he talks. I know. That's funny. Yeah, it's almost like, like the, like the Rooney rule, right? Like, he's, he made a rule where he says,

at least one black person got to be interviewed. That's not, to me, I just see it different. My ears are different. I hear that, like, um, just a token black nigga could get in. I'm, you know, I ain't on no black trip. I'm just telling you what I honestly perceive. You're not doing us a favor. Doing us a favor is making sure the right person get the job.

If I'm qualified, if it's 20 black people, then there should be 20 interviews. Just to say you're going to make sure that one black person get an interview, that's not really helping us. I mean, not us, but, you know, black people as a general. That's not helping. But what the Rooney rule, and I get where you coming from, Mason, I'm not saying you're wrong. But basically they're saying you have to at least interview a black name

because black niggas wasn't getting interviews at all. That's why the rule came in effect. It was really one of them rules said, God damn, can we get an interview? And Mace, you're right. It could be like, yo, let's get this black nigga in here so we can get them out. For the quota. Yeah, yeah.

We let them in here. Yeah, so we can hurry up and get them out. But that was the real reason that the rule was setting place. because niggas wasn't even getting the fake let them in here so we can let them out. It's like, Bob. So I get exactly what you're talking about. But the Rooney rule doesn't mean you're gonna get hired.

Yeah, it just means you're gonna be interviewed. And Mike, to your credit, and you correct me if I'm wrong on this. They only brought in the, you can interview one black guy to say you can interview a woman too. It really wasn't for the black man. It was really the bringing a woman and let her get interviewed. And it's like three-card Molly. You think I'm doing your job.

And really, I'm just trying to give her a job. And to get her the job, I got to make it look like I'm giving you an interview. Look at the rule. The rule's not new. But we're honest with you, the man or the woman don't have to get the job. You still could give it to the white person.

It's just about interviewing the person saying that you got it. So that's your original statement is correct. Correct. Like saying, okay, we got to interview this chick. I interviewed this black person and both of y'all could really get out of here. We really want to hire this white person to be totally all right. Go ahead, Mike, I'm sorry. Right, right, correct.

But what the rule is in the spirit of it was that let's get, if these people that are making decisions don't ever get to see a bio, an African American candidate, then we're stuck in this place. But you put the people, you put them in the front, And it has happened, where actually guys get hired. You get an opportunity. We have to understand now, and what Mesa's talking about, and he's right, and when Cam, I can't talk about,

I understand both perspectives. Because on a major scale, on a major scale, big company, with opportunities in this company, you say, I'm gonna hire one black person, and then, okay, I'm gonna interview one black person to hire all white, that's one thing. But this is, I think what I call one, The 32 jobs, and like I told you, I suppose the president of the United States,

when we talk about pressure places, pressure places where it is win or get your butt out. I don't care. You didn't win. Let's go. That's what the NFL is. And that's what, so if you can get a guy as impressive as young Mike Tomlin when he got the job, young as he was in front of you, it's hard to work. walk away from a guy like that.

And that's what he was saying. And to get these 32 owners to open up their door and make sure they have to get some of these guys in there. Yeah, that's a great rule in this aspect, in the aspect where this is so small, so much pressure and everything. Now, if you put this on a Fortune 500 company where you're hiring 35, 40, 50,

or CEO or something like, you know, a manager or CEO and you want to interview one black. And you got 40 spots on one company and you only interview one black. And that's, that's, that's what you're talking about. I understand. But there's only 32 provisions here in the whole wide world and all the riches of the white owned them and owned forever. And they wouldn't, you know, so the rule, I thought was a good rule from that perspective. But I understand and try to explain your perspective.

I kind of agree with me. Basically is just if you want to hire the black nigga cool, but we just going to say we did it. But the reason why it's caught the Rooney Rule because they really obliged by it, my purse. The Steelers team really go by that. The other 31 teams, maybe. They have an opportunity.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, what I'm saying, Mike, I can argue all day, right? because the reality is that even if you give the black head coach the job, but you don't give him the quarterback that he can win with. You're not, that's no power in that. When Sean Payton went there, he said, no, I don't want Russell Wilson and the next year,

he had the quarterback he wanted. How many years of Tomlin been there after Ben Rothersberger and without getting a quarterback he needed? Come on now. So yeah, you gave him the job as the black. You didn't give him the pieces to really get the job. Now, he had Justin Field. Then he had Russell Wilson.

Then you give him an 80-year-old Aaron Rogers. You're not trying to let him win. And then you say he'd been here for years. Come on now. That's what I'm talking about. When you talk about you putting people in a position where you're acting like they got power, but you know they don't have no power.

And you're only putting them in a position to be just good enough. That's always been the person. argument just good enough just be good enough stat notice she grew up in Jacksonville they they want you right here just good enough don't don't try to go too far you did good now come back in that's that's how it's supposed to be and anytime somebody start trying to do more and then not under that under whatever that is called I because I don't know what it's called I'm not under it but But anytime you go past that level, it's like, come here, let me talk to you.

But they got to put you with somebody that they can control what you're saying. Oh, okay. If you go too far, then they're going to ditty you. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to leave it there. Well, great conversation all around. Mike know what I'm talking about. He's through ditty out there.

I know how you said. I said, but hey, boy, ain't gonna be a RICO case all by yourself. I know. She ain't another Rico Dolo. Y'all are hilarious. Rico Dolo. Right.

Okay. Giants fans, y'all got a new head coach. We will discuss after the break. Back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day on Sunday. The Rams will play the band. Underdog has Caleb Williams at 223 and a half passing yards. Do you have him higher, lower, Mace?

I'm going to go higher. I got to go higher for the young fellow. Yeah, I'm going to go higher as well. He's playing exceptionally well in last few weeks. Okay. Matthew Stafford's at 270 and a half passing yards. Do you him higher or lower? I don't know.

That nigga Matthew Stafford said he liked playing in the cold. I don't know, man. That's a good one. He's playing well. It's going to be cold out there. It's going to be nine degrees. I'm going to go lower. Yeah, I was about to say that's cap.

That's like somebody telling you. Yeah, it's a lot. Yeah, I got black friends, you know. It's definitely a lot. It's been a long time since that boy's in the cold. Oh, my, that's thinking crazy. Not even that. He played in the dome, too.

Even when he was in Detroit, that shit is a dome. He told him how he played in the cold. Nah, we're not going with that, Matt. I'm going on what is it lower okay and a Puka Naku is at a hundred and a half receiving yards him higher lower Mace I gotta go I gotta go higher for you poca you know download the underdog app and you can make your picks too and he's Polynesian just to make that clear right okay so yeah real ball yes and play way way way way okay so John Harbaugh and the Giants are working to finalize an agreement to make him their next head coach, like Cam said earlier.

The deal is not final and contract numbers still are being negotiated, but barring any setbacks. Harbaugh is ready to accept the Giants deal and the team is expected to hire him as soon as possible. Mike, this is breaking news. How should Giants fans feel? And then do you think that he's a good fit for the job? I do. I think Coach Harbaugh is a good fit for any job, just a different voice, wherever he's. goes, he's going to bring stability.

The Giants have been looking for that stability. He can incorporate to excuse me, some of the things he loves because this kid can also run, not quite like Lamar Jackson. You talking about Jackson Dart, but also, you know, he had the questions. You have to be careful with him. But yeah, I like this higher and the giants get a great, defensive coach and the Giants got some defensive talent. They are a great defensive talent. And you're going to bring back Malik neighbors with scatterboo all coming off the injury.

Yeah, this is going to give stability to those young talented kids, young talented men and they can grow with this. And John Harbaugh is straight enough that the New York media won't, won't mess him up. So yeah, this is a good hire. Yeah, I think this is perfect for John Harbaugh. I meant Harbaugh. I was actually the one that thought about this, Mike, if you didn't notice. I thought that he would go to New York and it will be a great fit for exactly what you just said a few days ago, so I don't know if you remember that. But when it comes to this team, exactly. Some of what you said, I agree with, but I think he can even take them to a new level,

being that, you know, last year or this year it seemed like they had the talent, But you need that coach that know the way to where they're trying to go. And he can give them even the right things that do over the summer. He could give them the right things to bring this to a team that maybe they could do exactly what we see happening in Chicago. And I think when you're a coach of his status, what better market to do it in? I don't think he fears the New York media.

I think the New York media would take his legend to a whole other level if he goes in there and perform very well. If he goes in there and does very well, then his name will go to New Heights, because there's nothing like doing it in the city of New York. I think he took this job purely because the division sucks. Cowboys ain't shit. We see that the motherfucking Philadelphia, we are reading, you know, Philadelphia Eagles. They've really been consistent, but we don't know what's going to happen with A.J. Brown.

We thought that the commanders would be ascending, but this year they feel. fell back and we don't know what's going on. I'm not maybe hopefully, and I'm a fan of Jaden Daniels, hopefully he comes back strong. But this division is up for grabs, and he would look so good winning this division, like, okay, when's the last time the Giants won this division? We know the Cowboys and Mike and everybody else think

they're going to win it every year and they're going to go to the Super Bowl, but every year this is our year. It just doesn't happen. And I think that the problems that's been underlined to Philadelphia now come in the light. And I don't think AJ Brown is going to be there, me personally. I'm not sure. If I hit the offensive coordinator, this is going to be Jalen Hertz's fifth coordinator since 2021.

So I don't know if that's going to translate into wins for Philadelphia. And I think John Harbaugh is smart enough to see all of that. And he says, look, if I get the Giants to win the division and get them to the playoffs, I look way, way better doing this in New York than I did it in Baltimore. Not saying that we're going to the Super Bowl, but just winning the division. and get into playoffs, that's an major accomplishment considering where the Giants have been the last few years. Yeah, not-

2011, Cam, the last year they won the division, 2011. And I also think every other place that he could have gone wouldn't give him much of a challenge. I think when you're thinking about the Titans, when you're thinking about the Browns, when you're thinking about all the other teams, these are not teams that could potentially even win. You know, if he did this at the Browns, it would be even, he wouldn't get much credit for it.

But doing it there in New York, I think it's a gutsy move because even like what Killer said, what if Jane Daniels come back and have a hell of a season, a comeback season, then he's in trouble because you're already going to have Philadelphia there. They can replace AJ. I know Killer was saying that. And then when you look at the Steelers, it could be a very, it could be a very, very tough time doing it there in New York. Well, either way.

Yeah, Giants fans are really excited, so good luck to them because now they have something else to look forward to. Other than the Knicks. They're really going to be expecting us to come home. They're going to be expecting you to come home, Killer. They got John Arbor. New York is very underappreciative, man. They got a champion there, the liberty.

They don't want to celebrate. them. Selective celebrity. Liberty just won a year before last. They didn't want to go to the parade. And then. Shout to the WMBA. Shout to the WMBA.

The Liberty, they just won a championship two years ago. Nobody came to parade. They said the parade was sponsored by COVID. Nobody showed up. I thought that you ladies deserved the parade and congratulations on. I'm supporting. Did you go, Kim?

I was here. I support the. aces too. That's a question. He would ask me. I like the AISC too. I'm an Aces fan as well. Okay.

Now switching gears to basketball. So the Bucks lost to the Timberwolves 139 to 106 at home. The team didn't even have Anthony Edwards or Rudy Gobert playing. So fans decided to boo at Yonis and Yonis decided to boo back. He commented on it later and said, when I get booed, I booed back.

I've been doing that all season. It doesn't matter. I play basketball for my teammates. I play basketball for myself and my family. When people don't believe in me, I don't tend to be with them. I tend to be against them. Bold comment from Yannis, Mike, what do you think of this mentality from the star player? Like, does this draw concerns?

How are you feeling about him and his actions? I don't know. It just seems like Yonis can get away with things like that. You know what I mean? It's just real little slide. You're just nice and he gets out here and laughs with you. Now, if for real, no, saying something like that, you know, boy back and all of that, be a whole different thing, you know. You're honest, I just don't see that going to make more of that.

Take a John Moran with all he's going through. Now, say they boo him in Memphis and he booed right back. Oh, he got. He got to go. He got to go. Get him out of here. I don't care how he junked. He doesn't.

He has to go. But Yon is he's just lovable. He's nice and he's nice and he's real, you know. So yeah, that's interesting though, you know, because most Americans, we've been, we were like, yeah, you know, hey, the crowd is and you can't talk bad about the crowd. Don't do all this. And them other countries, they get used to it, I guess. I guess, you know, they're gonna say he booze back.

So, so yeah, that's interesting. I wouldn't boo back, but I wouldn't boo back. I'm gonna just take my booze, you know what I'm saying? But y'all is you do it. That's just funny. And he delivered a championship to his home to Milwaukee. So I'm like, what are you born about? It ain't me if these other jokers around me.

So yeah, I understand. Yeah, I think they was born in my. because of the way the team was playing, and I think he probably took it personal to him. But they have reasons to boo him also because he's a part of the team. Not to mention that. He did have 25, but he also had seven turnovers. If you're turning the ball over that,

if you almost have double digits and turnover, that's right for them to boo you, you know? So they're expecting high play from- Oh, May. No, no, no, wait, wait, wait. This man that delivered you a championship. So now, wait, wait, wait, wait. He delivered the championship.

You know, you hadn't replaced some of the guys he needs around him. People are talking about him being trade and all of that. Mike, there's 17 and 23. 17 and 23 ain't something to celebrate. I don't care who's on that. No, no, I understand that. I understand that. But how long was it before they had a championship that he delivered?

That he delivered. It was way longer than the time it's been. from the championship they just had. Yeah, Mike, but the money came out the account this week, you know. They can't go on what he did five years ago, Mike. You depleted our roster trying to get the players you want, and it didn't work out. We went and got Damon Lillet for you.

We traded away one of our championship, all of our championship players for the people you thought. we needed to contend. So when it doesn't go right and you end up holding the bag, they didn't make those decisions without complying with Janus. You better believe this wasn't one of those Rooney rules. This right here, he had power. He had his brother on the team.

You had your uncle on the team for crying out. You know, not his uncle, but you get what I'm saying? He got his family on the team. And if this team is not playing well, you don't get to say it with somebody else. you had a lot of people on this team. That's what I think. Not a lot, but too many. I think both you guys are correct.

I think both you make some great points. Macy's saying, what have you done for me lately? That's basically said with Macy's saying. And Mike, you're 100% correct as well. Look, the last championship y'all got was with a nigger named Lou Alcinda. Y'all know Ms. Karim F. Duja-Bah. The nigger was Lou Alcinda. When y'all did that nigger won a championship.

So don't act like I get you on this century. I got you on this decade, nigga. So I agree totally with both you guys 100%. And look, both of you guys are right. And what's really going on is Janus wants out. So he's pushing the button. He's a wrestler that's turning into a bad guy. You know, you watch wrestling?

Because he's walking. He used to be a good guy. Yeah, I don't know if y'all seen the clip. He's walking around like this in the arena. Yeah, yeah, he's on the floor. He falls on the floor. He's on the floor like this. Yeah, I'm like, he's turning into the bad guy of wrestling.

So basically they're like, yo, we gotta get this thing out of here. He's tripping. But to Mace's point as well, like, yo, my nigga, right now, both his brothers is on the team. Yeah, we should be even. Yeah, yeah. I got both of your brothers on the team. Yeah, both of your brothers is on the team.

Come on the team. currently speak, we got your family to the visas to get over here. And at the same time, you have to realize this, my partner, Milwaukee's Did they get his family a visa? They got him over here, yes. And we even now. And we even now. Come on, killer, we even by now.

No, I'm just saying, what I'm saying is this. I'm not saying that you're wrong. When I'm saying this, this is a way for him to force his way out. He'd been talking about, he'd been seeing him walking around New York City and shit and walking through Manhattan, talking about he's looking the houses in Long Island. What is you looking at houses in Long Island for? You understand what I'm saying?

So to me, this is part of the process of him saying, I gotta get the fuck out of here. And Milwaukee, you have to realize this, this is not a big market, it's a small market. So you also wanna put asses and seats. If you do get rid of Yonis, so Yonis ends up leaving because, you know, you have an all-star there.

Not just an all-star, A perennial All-Star Championship, a championship, a champion in the finals MVP there, it's gonna be hard to replace that. So I wouldn't, to me, if I'm front off in Milwaukee, I'm not even entertaining it. Like, yo, listen, until something real, real comes on table, let me know, because even if you get,

let's say, for instance, and I'm not saying New York could do it because- Towns. Yeah, I was saying if you get Towns, he's not a star to me, like Yonis. Even though you can shoot the three, he could spread the floor. Yonis is like a different type.

You know, he got more swag to me, my personal opinion. I don't think Carl Anthony Towns could be a star in Milwaukee like Janus is a star Milwaukee. And to me, Janus could be a star wherever he goes. My personal opinion, star quality counts. Would you give up OG in towns for Janus? If I'm Milwaukee, no. No.

I need to sell tickets. Not saying there may be one equal out in the talent wise, but at the same time, But he was asking you if in New York, if you're in New York, would you do it? If I'm New York, if I'm New York, I'm like Yonis. I got to do what I got to do. Right now. Yeah, I got to do what I got to do. You're going to do.

I got to do it right now. I got to do what I got to do to get yonest. Yeah, I got to do. Yeah, I got to do to get yonis if I'm New York, yes. Right now. So shifting gears to another player because there's just a lot going on in the NBA right now. Anthony Davis is expected to undergo surgery to repair ligament damage in his left hand and is expected to miss several months. So he's only been able to play 29 regular season games since he's arrived in Dallas.

And then in response to accounts saying he would be out for months, Anthony Davis replied, we all better stop listening to all these lies on this app. So mind you, all this is happening amid trade rumors. Because people are saying Anthony Davis might be traded. He might go here. You might go to the Hawks. There's a lot of different things. What are your expectations for AD, Mike?

I don't know how to build expectations for AD. You know, you really don't because like you just said, you don't know when he's going to be on the court. And when he is on the court, listen, he's a phenomenal player, phenomenal talent. But I watch AD and everything, every time he takes him, I'm worried about him hurting himself because he just, he, he, he, he, I don't know,

if he's like he knew how he is, he walks, he looks like he's going to hurt himself. He really does. And, and, and it's amazing. It's amazing, because I used to think, like, certain people that get hurt all the time, maybe it's something you're not training, you're not stretching well enough, you're not doing it.

But, you know, you get these guys that came today, this is a gifted, tall, lanket athlete, and he looks a little, sometimes just joining and clumsy or stepped the wrong way. So yeah, it's just, it's hard. He's one of the most talented players in the NBA. And if he had been playing all his career, everywhere he's gone, this has been,

you worry about this more than anything, this part right here. Best ability, when you talk about all his abilities, what do you guys talk about all the time? What's the best ability? Availability. Availability. And that's, boy, hey, that's the ability that seemed to escape him.

Like I don't know what. Availability. This yoga being, he can shoot, he can dribble, he can back you down. He can do everything. He has the ability to do everything except be available, the availability. That's the issue. Yeah, I'm looking at his injury list, right? And his injury list is too long.

It seemed like a ticket for the cleaners, right? Like you put so many things in it. If we were to put this on the screen, it looked like about 12 or 13 injuries. And this is just in the last 16 months, not even 18. This is just, I'm talking my hand, growing, illness, calf, calf. calf, leg, Achilles, growing, abductor, growing. It's like, this is too much.

And especially when you traded Luca for this, this is getting carried away. I don't know. Maybe this is just a play that people use to get where they need to go in the NBA or to wait until Kyrie comes back. You don't want to play without Kyrie. I don't know what the mindset is, but I think he's damaged his stock being injured so much. Me personally, I think he's a phenomenal talent,

always been, it's never been a question of his talent, he's always been a question of his durability. And I think sometimes the durability start evading the talent. Like we've seen that so many times in the NBA, but when the money's coming in, you just can't see the money not coming in. And I think he need to seriously start considering this. Even though he's at a very high productive level,

he's at 20 and 11, but what could he be if he didn't get hurt so much, is the question. I'm not doing this every two, three weeks for Anthony Davis. This is, I'm not,

he's always hurt. I'm not doing this. What are we doing? He ain't talking about we wait for Kyrie coming. If he did it with LeBron for five years, I'm not doing this.

I'm not commenting on Anthony Davis. What I will say is this, Mike, you live in Dallas, you're at Dallas Fair. Niggas gonna fire Niko. Nico going to do this. Ownership, be ashamed of they sell to allow that shit to happen with the Lucas situation.

Because now, look, we already knew this potentially could happen. Conrease hurt, Anthony Davis, we knew that this was probably a 70% chance this could happen. Not saying Cooper Flagg isn't doing well for a rookie. He's doing exceptionally well for a rookie, but he's not the nigger that y'all thought was going to come in here and take over the Western Conference as a, you know, as a young rising star. look man ownership and should be upshamed to themselves because they let Nico and no disrespect to Finley too

I like Finley I love you know you cool nigga and especially a fan playing but y'all got away with this trade in Lucas why would you do this and now look where you're at it's fucked up I'm not commenting on anything I'm sick of him we knew he was going to get hurt this is not enough of him his total injury history on one reporter's

it's 296 times that he called in He was sick for her. That's 19 seasons. You got 20 Achilles tendons. 16 times he reported his calf. This list is crazy. I will just add those. Because I know y'all are getting on him and I'm not making excuses,

but it also just happens to be an unfortunate situation. And I know injuries are like inevitable. You can't really do much about that. But it's not like we haven't been able to see his ceiling and his potential, it's just like he does keep getting hurt. So I know you're like, man, I don't care about Anthony Davis, but it's also like, damn, like, what is he supposed to do? Now, you know what it's like, Stead?

It's like you got the dopest car in your driveway, but the shit keep breaking there. Yeah. Sometimes you come out, it don't start up. Yeah, then it might be. How are you going to feel about that? Yeah, you stuck at the red light, and now you're in traffic with a dope car

and everybody just looking at it. Blowing the horn at you, be me, me, me, me. You wait on the tow truck. great analogy because you can't use the car can't use it so y'all y'all are right but hopefully he gets healthy i'll always say that because it's unfortunate and i know mike being a mass fan like you want to be able to see him play so hopefully they figure it out okay so some boxing breaking news so an arrest warrant has actually been issued for tank davis in connection with an alleged domestic violence incident from october warrant has been issued on charges including false imprisonment

and attempted kidnapping. I know a lot of people were waiting for that tank fight versus Jake Paul, which then had to be rescheduled, which in return, Jake Paul fought Anthony Joshua. Mike, what is your opinion on all the things that have been surrounding take? And then do you, what are your expectations for him? Wait, wait, before you go to Mike, is that, is this a new girl or this? I don't know if it's a new girl. It might be that same girl. I will figure that out for you. I'm saying is this the one that happened like the first for for the Jake Paul fight or is this after the Jake Paul I don't know where to go Where to go with you know the whole dude

It's just really this is it this is it is it I'm sure you know He's a high strong person and he's a boxing You can't get into this thing with some high strong you know it's like what are we talking about here well I want to see the man fighting in the ring and I want to hear about this kind of fighting outside the ring you know what I mean I just don't want to hear about and it's these relationships man where they're all you know it's what I call

the F and F relationship we fight hard on this hand and then we make and hard on this hand. It's going to get you in situations. That's why it's the same person. And you know, you're going back and forth with it. I don't know enough about it. I'm just saying, man, I'm just saying, you know, if you gotta be fighting them and fighting them all over every place

and holding them and trying to kidnap them, and they're trying to get out and you try, whatever's calling that person, man, you can't kidnap him. Let them go. Let it go. Let it all go. Let it go and get back to your career. That's what I said. Get back in the gym and get back to your career. Yeah, I really, I really think when it comes to this situation, it's super unfortunate because he's such a, such a talent. He's such a talent in the ring. But I think we also got to stop making excuses for people. This is just totally uncalled for. You cannot be dragging women. out the club out of hair.

You just can't be doing that. And if somebody doesn't want to be with you, you got to have the way with all the walk away and find the one that does want to be with you. Like I said before, I really pray that, like, his, whatever is going on with them is beyond boxing. Just like there's a lot of things going on with people that we just brush off

because they got great talent. And I think we do them a disservice. I think I saw him one time doing an interview and he said he wanted to go into therapy. so he could be better for his daughters. And that's the Giovante. We need to see if that takes something away from you in boxing, you got to take that journey.

I had to walk away from music for five years, just to deal with stuff that I want to deal with and the way I think and what I'm going through. So therefore, you can't put nothing better before your health. You got to put that first. It makes that's a perfect way of saying it. You know what I mean? Like, right, right.

if anything, if you get into the point with anything or anybody that's disturbing your health. Yes. By disturbing your peace. However, dude, and when you're showing, you walk away. You got to try best you can to walk away. If you got to snatch somebody out the club, and I don't know, you know, y'all saying, he dragged out the club out here. And, you know, that we've grown up seeing people do this, you know, where you're, you're, you're,

You're escorting out, but you're not escorting out by here. And I'm saying the law is against their will. You can take somebody around the corner against their will is kidnapping. So when he said, no, I don't want to go. You got to let go. That's it. Okay, I see. You got to move.

And sometimes you want to help people that don't let you help them, right? because I want to put some respect on the people around him name because you know people may ask them well why didn't you do something coach this or or this trainer why didn't you do something and sometimes um as artists as entertainers that people get so rich and so empowered that you can't change that about them you know you're not in that position of power like we was talking about before you can talk but you don't have no power in the decision so even them they have to have the way with all in respect and integrity to walk away from a person if they're doing things that are detrimental to people. We can't just stay around stuff and then just act like, oh, we ain't have nothing to do with it. You are, as a man, you're responsible that. If you got daughters, you got sisters, it can't be cool until it happened to your daughter or your sister. Okay, and last thing before we wrap, we're going to get into the NFL divisional rounds. Just want a quick prediction from y'all of who you think is going to win. Mike, you're going to go first.

starting with the Bills versus the Broncos. Great game, but I'm looking at the bills, looking at Broncos, that defense. Quarterbacks are going to take out the passing game. You'll have to drop all nine other defenders in the box to stop Josh Allen. I'm taking the Broncos to win this game at home. I was going to take the Broncos because of Bull Knicks, but now that Mike took the Broncos, I got to go in New York.

We back, baby. Cam, you could come home. Just make a hair, boy. Just stay in Kansas City, man. Look, I want, put it like this. I want the bills to win, but it doesn't seem like Josh Allen has a lot of help. Seems like he's doing everything by itself.

And the Broncos defense is really, really good. I think it's not saying this, well, I don't know where they're ranking. I remember to tell you, look, yesterday, Texas was number one, but I know that they're really good and they didn't get a buy for anything. I'm going to pick the Broncos even though my heart wants the bills to win. Okay. Next, Texans versus Patriots. Mike. This game here, I think it's going to be a great game because this game is in New England.

And this is two great defenses. The Texans defense has been off the chart. But now, whenever you're talking about putting together a particular game plan to stop a particular team in a week's time, Nobody's better than that. New England. Than the Patriots. Nobody's better than that than the Patriots. And I believe that Brable will have something for a young CJ Strau, and he'll throw a late game interception in Pittsburgh,

I mean, the Patriots end up winning this game. Man, since Chapel Hill has been good to us, North Carolina, and Drake Major is from North Carolina. I'm going with the New England Patriots, man. Who's, when was Chapel Hill good to us? What are you referring to? What are you talking about? Cam.

What do you mean, Chapel Hill? You found out Drake May from North Carolina and now Chapo has been good to us. What are you talking about, bro? How's Chapel Hill been good to us? Yeah, did you make a lot of money in North Carolina? Yeah, I did. Yeah, we got a lot of fans in North Carolina.

I made a lot of money, a lot of states. But no, Catalano was the first place we started getting money. I thought Philly was. Yeah, Philly was. I'm going to go with the Patriots. Yeah, two places could be true. I'm going with the Patriots to win the game. Yeah.

Okay. Mike, 49ers versus Seahawks, who you got? Listen, the 49ers can't have any more left than them. I mean, Kettle's gone now. They've been patching people. I've been putting people. people on the field. Just a couple weeks ago,

this game was played in San Francisco. Seahawks won 13 and 3, you know, and they had killed a living. I don't imagine this game now being in Seattle that the 49ers have any chance at beating the Seahawks. I'm taking the number

one ring in this division, the NFC, Seahawks to win. I think it would be just like the football guards that let Sam, you know, Sam Donald get his leg back pause. I think it's going to be the Seahawks.

I would go with the Seahawks and the 12th man up in New Seattle, but I'm going to go with Kyle Shanahan. Even though they're depleted, Mike made a great, even though they're depleted, that man know how to dial it up, man. You know, that shit he did last week with the nigga threw the touchdown.

I forget the nigga threw the touchdown with Kathy. First of all, you got, but for receivers throwing touch bounds, tore and touchdowns the running backs. That nigga nice. That nigga football mine is nice, and I think they have a week to prep. And also, I don't think that they like the way the regular season ended

because that made them lose whole field advantage. Everything points to Seattle, but I'm going with 49ers. Okay. And last one, Mike, Rams versus Bears. Hmm. And that's the one. It's a funny one, because we were joking about it earlier. We're saying, your boy, Matthew Staff,

for talking about he likes the cold. You've been playing in dunes your whole life. That's it. And that worries me, that you're saying that early in the week. You know what I mean? So that means you got the whole week to think about it, man. Now, the one thing I want to say, too, though, that worries me even more than that is what is Chicago?

It's not just going to be cold. What do we call Chicago? The Windy City. Windy City. Windy City. city that wind squirrels like I don't know what in the Rams throw the ball to win the game now two things are true just like you just said Mace and that same win the city the bears like to come from behind which mean you have to throw the ball so we're putting this thing

in a past past situation even though everybody and me too love what Caleb Williams is doing he ain't ready to take down the MVP of the NFL right now. I'm going to take the Rams. It's the only away team I say will win. The other three home teams will win. That's crazy, Mike.

I'm putting all stockpaws in the new hotness. I'm going with new hotness. I'm going with Caleb Williams to get it done. Caleb, don't make me look bad. I'm going from Titletown letting them know that Caleb Williams is going to get it done. Don't make me be the second hip-hop artist you let down.

Come on. I'm going with the Rams. Mike, you made a great point about the win. And you know what's crazy is that I listen to a take with Tom Brady. I don't know if people see it. I was like, Tom Brady's the fucking good. I know Troy Aikman's Shedgo. But Tom Brady did a whole take on how to throw in the wind.

I don't know if you've seen that much. Mike. Yes. I saw that. I saw that. That was good way. Yeah, he was showing how you have to have the ball lowered and then you have to have it centered and pause. And he was like, throw it down because if you have it angled up, the wind takes it away. I'm like, wind catch that thing and go. Yeah. And I'm like, yo, this is, you know, to a casual football fan such as myself, this is real good intel. I'm like, yo, this is why this niggas is the goat. I'm sitting in, look at this thing. I can like he won seven Super Bowls or something, letting us know how to throw the ball. in the wind. And then I seen Steve Young double down on that. Because he basically said Matthew Stafford's a liar acting like he want to play in the cold, as opposed to saying he'd rather play in the rain or the wind because you can control how you throw in the wind and the rain, even though it's a little slippery, but the cold, nobody wants to play in the cold.

And that's what Steve Young was talking about as well. But if anybody going to get it done, I'm going to say I'm going with Matthew Stafford. and the ramps. Caleb Williams been playing in USC just as well the last four years. So it isn't like he's used to playing the super duper cold in Chicago either.

Okay. Well, I recorded all y'all's responses. Mike said, Mike said, one last thing, one last thing, when Tom Brady was describing that, I thought to be funny as hell at the end of it, because it's a beautiful description. You hold that ball up and catches the wind,

you know, I thought when he threw it back, you to say unless you deflated a little bit. It's funny. I don't know. What are you guys? It's going like, man. That would have been funny, man. If he had said that, but we are crazy.

Okay. So we will check back Monday morning to see if you guys's predictions were correct. I did record everything. So we will see what happens. But that is all the time that we have for today. Mike, you know, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. Thank you, Mike. Always good to be here on the show.

Appreciate you guys. I appreciate you. You know, that package. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to text you. I got you. So, yeah, don't get it on your chest. Let me see. Yo, my. I got you, bro.

I'm going to send it to you. I got you. All right. All right, get out, man. Okay. Thank you. all for watching and as always it is what it is.