IT IS WHAT IT IS - GILLIE DA KID INVADES THE SHOW, SHEDEUR SANDERS HATE CONTINUES & WHAT WERE Y'ALL WEARING?!

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

Ma$e, Cam'ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are here with another one!! On this episode, WBC Super Featherweight World Champion O’Shaquie Foster joins the show to chat about his upcoming fight December 6th for PBC in San Antonio, where Mase, Cam, stat and the crew will be down in Texas LIVE covering the fight for our first live event. “Shock” is locked in for his fight vs. Fulton but Stephen Fulton had someone tap into the show to tell Shock he better be ready for war and that person was none other than Gillie Da Kid!! Then, Shedeur Sanders didn’t get the gameball after his first win as a starter breaking a Browns curse that’s almost 30 years old, was that foul? Next, a tweet has gone viral about Sanders and his style, are they hating on him AGAIN or nah?! Next, Chase says Sorry for spitting in Jalen Ramsey’s face but we not buying that we think PR told him to do so. Last but not least, we need Mase & Killa to tell us what was they doing in these album covers and photoshoots because that was WILD Pause! ***NEW MERCH*** https://www.itiswhatitismerch.com Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Sign up with promo code IIWII and play $5 to get $100 in bonus funds: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-itiswhatitis #UDpartner Follow the show and our hosts on social media: ⁠It Is What It Is⁠, ⁠Cam'Ron⁠, ⁠Ma$e⁠, and ⁠Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson⁠ , ⁠Producer Ayooo Nick⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and Cam, and today we are joined with a very special guest. He has held the WBC Super Featherweight title since November, 24. He's got a big fight coming up, Fulton v. Foster, on December 6th, live at Frost Bank Center in San Antonio, introducing Oshaki Foster. What's up, baby? How you? Yo, what's up, Sean? Hey, what's the deal, man? We grinded. We ready. You ready?

Yeah, we ready, man. You better be ready. You better be ready. It's a goodie. Don't have us come all the way out there, Paul. Because we're responsible to tell the truth, champ. Nah, let me stop. Murder ain't lying, man.

We're going to be live on location, man. Let me ask you this real quick. Where did the friction, well, we know fighters have to sell fights and, you know, sometimes you like somebody, sometimes you don't. But it seems like there's genuine friction between you and Cool Boy. Where did that start and where that come? starting with that come from that talk dead that shit you're going back down and you're going to defend that time I ain't going back down at all I'm staying right where I'm at right now I fuck where I move up again right after I conquer this yeah how do you

get fucked up you gonna have other options I heard they talking about you're saying everything you're supposed to say right now man saying everything you're supposed to say hey I'm the champion I'm gonna say what I'm gonna say what I'm who else got a better and I mean everything I'm champ right I mean I don't think I'm saying you know everybody know I don't know I don't know you I know I know I know I know who you are but I don't know you they're just making it hard on you man you're over here man I ain't but I'm not over there I'm not over there for a reason bro you like you like you said I'm your biggest test man everybody that's that's that's

that's doing all this there's this fruit gays this stuff I'm so I'm so y'all so let you let your hands talk then I'm a show y'all what you say let's let your hands talk Oh, I'm gonna talk and I'm gonna show you, boy, what you mean? I ain't, I'm out with all this stuff. I don't go to back and forth. I ain't gonna shut up with nobody. I ain't gonna do back and for, I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna talk my stuff and I'm gonna act up when it's time.

Trust me, on me, that's how it's going. He and his feelings right now. Your experience. Your experience. I'm ready to get active. Gang, I'm ready to get that. We've been supposed to, August 16 you're supposed to go down. You know, I've been ready to get active, boy.

It's nerves, bro. man for me it just felt like you know buddy feel like he too cool for school like you know like I'm just easy work and you know they they pick me out to you know like they just fin to just come take my title and it's gonna be easy that's where it came from for me okay now we ain't like that got you yeah I think when I um I saw I saw um the fight that you lost when you thought you got robbed when you when you was fighting that fight do you think you was like you was like like too conservative when they took the bell yeah so that's that's that's that's really what was my biggest thing you know I just wanted to eat fight and I made it look easy

but I ain't do the extras by you know trying to knock them out and pressing the action so yeah I put that on me yeah because you you're very you're very technical for people that don't know you I think you and chicore got a lot of similarities by the way you're like very skill very twitchy, very able to react the punches, and your defense is really, really good. So I really hope that translate to this Saturday fight because we're going to be in the builder. Right. And Mace, you brought up Shakur, right?

I see something with you and Raymond Ford and Shakur going back and forth with each other. I thought you and Shakur was cool. What's going on with that? Man, we was cool. Then, you know, him and Raymond Ford started riding each other nuts and he became an option. You know how it go, guys and your messages text and trying to be all friendly, but they're behind the back talking to their man

is trying to, you know, ride them against me. So that's what that came from. You sure you want that kind of smoke with Chicago? Because your car is a bad man. I was talking about the defense, but you sure that's a problem you want to put in your future? Man, I'm trying to check all the ops off the list. he know what's up with me.

We didn't been in the ring plenty of times, you know, he knows what's up with me for sure. Okay. Listen, I'm not trying to go past this particular fight. Because you got, like I said, you got a big fight coming up, but is it a list of people? Is there anybody else that you want to fight

that you want to put on a resume? Man, I ain't a lot. Stephen Fall on first, most definitely, but, man, if I can get your core Knicks, I'd better be the guy. Come on, yo, come on now, shock. Oh, shocking. Shocked.

Yeah, man. Listen, shock now. This is the King of Newark now. Now, now, put some respect on that young man's name. I'm gonna be asking you the question, but I'm definitely, as of lately, I'm a Shakur fans. So I got it. Murder, Matt. Murder, we back?

We back. We back. He's back. He looked. He looked good. You know, y'all had some freaks in, too. Yeah, yeah, but that lets you know, we call it straight, you know.

Shakur hit me in the DMs, and, you know, we spoke, and I told him I got a job to do, and he got a job to do, and he came out and fought phenomenal. So I got it, I gotta put credit with credit, too. That's one thing I will say, and I mean, the last thing if we did, it ain't none, like even when we went with Shakur, it wasn't personal for us.

Like, we just called what we saw, and in his last fight, he looked really, good. And we called it like we saw it. Sometimes people, what I realized doing this shit is that when me and May say something, they take it a little more personal than Max Kellerman. Yeah, because you trust coaches. Yeah, exactly, man. So he looked good at his last fight. The fight before that, well, not too much, but he looked good. So you said you want Shakur, if you win this, if you win this fight on the sixth, that that's your next opponent that you want? Most definitely. Like, he, I'm not playing. Like, I told him that's what you're.

I'm coming for. And, you know, he said a lot of disrespect for shit. And, and that's, that's who I want nicks, no. Oh, Shaggy, I don't like that for you. I'm going to tell you right now. I don't, I don't know. No, shock, nigger. If you're ready, you're ready, nigga. Don't like murder. Yeah, I don't like that. If you ready, you ready, nigga. If you ready, nigga. Hey, I don't need nobody to believe. I'm a song. Talk to, yeah. Well, let me tell you this. One of the cool boys' people is here, and they want to say something to you real quick

about the fight before we even talk about Chacon anybody else. Is he, yo, Nick, is he available? You're going down, nigger. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Got a surprise. You know you my guy.

You know I fuck with your buddy's belt that ass. Hey, hey, hey, get it. Hey, you can't fight for him. You can't have that confidence for him. Hey, hey, your boy, I'm busting your boy ass. Like, we got one week. It's going to be, hey, I swear. Hey, listen, right, I've seen him, right?

The other day. That nigga is sheep in shape and shape. So, Gil. I hope so. Gil, Gil, Gil. That time I seen him, he was fat fat. He was fat, fat, pause. Listen, Gil, you got, you, you, you,

Gil, Jill, yeah, Gil. I like shot. Now, Gil, are you saying this because you really believe that he gonna be shot? Because a lot of times, niggas be your man, and you, and you ride, pause with the niggins that you fuck with, but you'd be right a lot too, Gil, because you was called, you had Ennis, you had Boots a long time

when niggas didn't even realize who Boots was. And then everybody, like, Boots this, boosts this, boost that. Is this cool boy shit legit? Or is he your man's, because I've seen him get knocked out. I seen Cool boy get knocked out. You saw him sleep? Yeah, yeah, got to accept it out.

Let me just say this. Yeah, go ahead. Cool boy got one loss against the pound for pound considered top three fighter in the world. But it was bad loss, Gil. It was a bad loss, girl. The chin is compromised. Yeah.

No, I'm giving it real. Gilly is a boxer. He knows but so much pain that a boxer can take in his career. It won't be compromised next week. Hmm. What you got to say, Schott? Hey, I ain't going to lie. Hey, I'm going to touch.

I'm going to tap that chin. I'm going to test it. I'm going to see. I ain't going to lie to you. Dog. Cool boy, focus. That's cool. That's cool.

I'm still going to crack them. I'm gonna catch him, and we're gonna see if they... And then when you came on, when you first came on, you said, he asked you, what's the beat between you and Stephen Forward? And you said, he'd be acting too cool for school. His name, Cool Boy! Yeah, that's true to that. So I shock the world every time, you know?

That's what I do. Yeah, I like your confidence, man. Yeah, shocky, if you let your hands go, you wanted to you got the defense and all that but you got to let your hands go you can't be just doing all it and you know what he said you know what he said gill you can't you can't fight for him you can't fight for him you could talk for him but you can't fight for him hey one things for sure two things for certain he no cool boy coming to rumble hmm that boy from philly right cool boy from west philadelphia the gutter he is coming to rumble cool boy was an outstanding

than amateur. Cool boy, everything he say he is, he is. Hmm. But Texas got a lot of fighters too. I never seen anybody in the amateurs, man. I heard they said, I heard Andre Ward said that I ain't have an amateur background like that. I was a 2012 Olympic alternate.

You feel me? Lost by three points or I'd have been Olympian. So I'll let that ground. Jock. Everybody knew shop. You were selling drugs, man. You got booked, man. Then you start taking this shit.

Don't take this shit serious. Man, that's cool. Yeah, Sean. He got you with that one. He got the resume. Hey, Shaq couldn't he say that. Shot got caught with their four and a half. He couldn't say shit.

Hey, listen, you know, Shaq, tell that nigga we all had to do what we had to do to get where we had to go. Yeah, you're right. You know, they try to get out that struggle. any kind of way. I'm just trying to be like, motherfucking, Mason, get me a motherfucking 15,000, $20,000

Michael Jackson jacket he had on when he was moonwalking. That, niggins. Hey, Mace, if you can see how you look on the screen, you glow it, bro. Shock and Gil, we appreciate you both. Shock, where can people follow you to stay up to date with what you got coming up? Oh yeah, you can follow me.

on IG and Shock Foster, Facebook, O'Shocky Foster, Twitter, Oshaki Foster, you know, all that. All right, now, we appreciate your Gil, you coming to the fight. Yeah, I'll be there, front row, man. I'm gonna help Schock get up, man. Hey, hey, I'm glad because you're gonna be there to help your man's, you know.

Yo, Gil. You know what I had to take up to another deal after after you. I like Gil because Gil don't switch it up, but niggas. Nah, he keep the same energy. I ain't switching it up. Shock, my man, though. I'm fucking shocked.

He know that. Nah. But both y'all, y'all, fellas. Now, thank you. Thank you. Thank y'all both for coming on. We appreciate you, man. Esock pit bull crews.

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This is war, war, war. Pitfall versus Roach, Saturday, December 6th, live on PBC pay-per-view on Prime Video. Okay, so after Shador made his first NFL start, now we're going to get into some quotes and things that happen post-game. So it was found out that Brown's head coach did not give Shador the game ball following his game that he won versus the Raiders. It's basically a lot of course. criticism, but Mace, want to know your opinion on that. Do you think that's crazy? Do you think it's valid? Where does your head kind of go after hearing that? When it comes to the coach of the Cleveland Browns, I must say that at this point, it's like Shador is on his own. You know, it's like if he does

well, it's like Drago. If he dies, he dies. There's pretty much the vibe that the coach is given. He's not really supporting Shador. This is his last option of a quarterback. But I love the way Chador is rising to the occasion. I keep seeing this. I think this is the perfect situation for Chador. I think this wears off some of that elite upbringing that he was raised with, you know, sometime when you're raised up in that kind of household, 30,000 square feet. It's certain things as a dad you want your child to have.

And I think this situation is going to make him even more a dog. Not that he wasn't a dog before, but this is going to make him even more dog. All of these things going against him is causing him to rise to the occasion. And the coach, I think he's just the final straw to make Shador really do well. That's how I feel about this situation. I think everything for Shadour is on the upside. He's going to do it amazingly well. And I think they put his back against the wall, and they're going to find out where he's really made up.

made of shout out to the prime family, the whole prime family. Yeah, I don't really know what's so with the coach. I have no idea. I don't know. I don't know. Like, you could sit to him and speculate, but if you want to go of what we're saying, he don't fuck with the nigga.

Yeah. If we're going directly off what we're saying, he's like, I don't fuck with this nigga. I didn't want to draft him. It wasn't my idea to put him on the team. You know, that's the GM. and all this ownership, he passed up and all the, I don't really fuck with the nigga.

That's the attitude that the coach gets. Look, don't get me wrong. It's a couple players you could have gave the game ball to. Clueling Miles fucking Gary. You understand? I don't know who they gave the game ball too. But I would agree that Miles Garrett would even say, now the young boy came through his first NFL career

star as a rookie and got a win. The first win in literally 30 years. You know what I think is me like, you know, I've been around 20, 30 years. 1995 was the last time of Cleveland Browns starting rookie quarterback won a game in their first debut. Bill Belichick was coaching that game for the Cleveland Browns. I just give you an idea of how long ago that shit been. So when you sit there and be like, yo, why this nigga ain't giving the game ball?

Why ain't do it? Look, he's been giving, one thing you can say about the Cleveland Browns coach, giving the same energy all year. I don't fuck with Shador, and that's what I get. Why, I have no idea what Shador did to him or anything else. But that game he played yesterday, whatever day, the day before yesterday, yesterday, he deserved the game ball, my personal opinion, if nothing else. He played an outstanding game.

Could have been more than multiple touchdowns, but he did what he's supposed to do, and I was very proud of it. Yeah, and when it comes to this, this um this coach we're not even saying his name for for great reasons but when it comes to this coach and shedore i also think the reason and i don't know this for sure this is just my belief in watching his mannerisms and watching his football team that it's almost like he doesn't want to to succeed because this wasn't his choice so if chador succeed and this was his third choice it makes him look like he doesn't know what he's doing.

And a lot of times this is the pride that goes before coaches before they get out of there because they end up putting their foot in their mouths trying to hold somebody back when really the game ball should be to whoever played the best. And at this point, Shadour played the best. He comes in and get a 50-plus yard pass as soon as he gets in the game. And that is just something that is to be glorified. Well, I'll say this. And this only I can say to his defense, the coaches.

Excuse me. And regardless, Shador should have got the game war. But that defense on Cleveland, 10 sacks, Miles Garret, the animal down. The whole fucking Cleveland defense should participate in sharing the game ball if you find a reason not to give it to Shador. But I'm pretty sure that defense would have been like,

nah, not today. I know we do, we usually do. Get that shit to Shador. But Cleveland Brown defense is just fucking amazing. Very amazing, man. I have to give them a lot of credit. Yeah. So this conversation is going to continue.

We're going to have a lot of back and forth, especially throughout the season now that we know that Shador is starting. He is supposed to be starting in their next game. But after winning his first game, post game, he said, it's amazing off of one week of practice. I mean, just one week of practice. So imagine what a full offseason would look like. it get dangerous so there's a viral treat right now that i kind of want you guys's opinion on um somebody

said this is one reason why many people aren't very interested in rooting for chador this isn't confidence it's arrogance so mace what's your take on arrogance versus confidence you saw what i said as soon as you told me this statement i said there you go um i i really believe that um if he doesn't this is what i would say i'm not here to say what another grown man should, should say or what another grown man can say. What I would say is this, if you're going to take that approach, I've taken that approach, I'm quite sure. A killer have taken that approach, people that when you're just sure of what you do, you know, man, these niggas can't do nothing with me. You just, just how I feel.

I would be lying to myself if I didn't say it. And he's thinking after one week of practice, this is how I'm looking after one week of practice who can we even imagine what I would be like if I was if I was QB1 from the beginning we wouldn't even be in this position I know how he's feeling being a young turn nigga Paul just just thinking this is my time and I got the ball of my hands you know where we're going we're going to the moon but when you speak like this one thing I've learned if you're going to speak that sure of yourself don't expect no mercy don't expect no grace because you don't give grace to the arrogant and even the Bible says that the grace is given to the humble the people that are humble get the grace if you're going to be

arrogant then we're holding you to it and any time that you don't perform don't expect no sympathy what's the Bible quote um the humble shall be exalted and get grace you getting exalted in grace This nigga, I don't know about, I don't know, is you not humble today? That's a great advice. I don't see no humbleness on us over there, man. But everything may say, I don't really have none of that. I totally 100% agree with you. I think those, what I would say is this, though, right?

When I was here this, I'm like, you know, that niggas is his father's child, bro. because this was his father. But it's fine. I'm not comparing, of course, we don't want to compare father to son, you know, et cetera. But, yeah, I realized what Deion was doing. Deion had the right to act crazy, crazy. Super Bowl, rookie,

Super Bowl, pardon me, World Series football games, the endorsement deals. He had a rap like Deon. I had a right to talk any way he wanted to talk for us because this nigga was doing everything. And I'm saying, I look at Shadoor, and I'd be like, that, that's that, that's his father's son. That's that nigger's son.

But I would say this to just add on to what he said, because I can't even think of one thing I disagree with May said, is just wait to get there. You know what I'm saying? Like, you gotta wait to get there. I remember in the preseason we talked about it, we had a couple good preseason games and he ran down the reporter like,

See? See? Why you always writing crazy shit about me? See, this is what happens. Now you're up in my face trying to be cool. And I was like, then I think he had a bad game or he didn't play in the second half or something like that. And then I was like, damn, I wish he didn't say that because now look, he's third string.

You know what I'm saying? I get it. Trust me. Like Mesa, I get it. We was there. Sometimes we still is there. We are there, actually. Especially, yeah.

because it's there. So I would just say, rack up some more wins, get a couple more accolades, get some more stats under your belt, and then double back on them niggas, but don't do it so early. I wouldn't do it this early. Because then, like Mace said,

they're waiting for you. Yeah. Yeah. Mace worded that shit so eloquently. He's like, he did, he did. He's no mercy, which says no grace. No grace to the humble. Yeah, there's no.

I mean, no grace. unless you're humble. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And then he said, don't expect no mercy. Yeah. When shit goes left. He worded it correctly. And I just add on what I said, but I think he nailed exactly how we both feel.

And let me say something else, killer, because I know you're sitting there and you're saying how you perceive that this is going. But if we have a son playing sports, is this not the attitude you want your son to have? Like if he comes from Cameron Jow's? No, what I'm saying is this, you're right. Look, Dion won't say it, but I know Dion like, yeah, Nicky, yeah, Nicky, yeah, Nicky, yeah, Nicky, yeah, let's go. Let's go.

Let's go. Let's go. Like, you know what I'm saying? Dion understands that's him, you know what I'm saying? Listen, you sit there and watch. They had a reality show when Shador and Deion Jr. And I'll shout out to my nigga Bucky. You knickers was three, four years old.

Yeah. arrogant at three, you know, Shadour was arrogant at four, five years old on the reality show. So I get it. And like I said, I understand it, 100%. I totally get it, because you want to, yeah, the nigga fuck is wrong with them,

I get it. But what I'm saying is when the media is hating on you that bad, just get this stack up a little bit more, just a little bit more, man. I'm not telling, I can't, like me said, that was, like the way you worded it was perfect. We can't tell you what to say, or what you can't say or whatever,

just my opinion. You like it, I love it. Yeah, just no, ain't no mercy. Yeah. So whatever you're doing, do it to the max. And pause, when you think of even should do it, I would rather him, because in today's temperament, if he wasn't this way, killer,

he probably will be on the side of depressed with everything that's coming his way. So you kind of got to kind of take the, good with the bat in this situation because today's athlete, if the whole city was against them and they were supposed to be good, I could see them melting down. So it's great that he keeping his confidence. Absolutely. And it's a testament to how Coach Rob Prong raised all his kids. Yeah. You know, we got to think about the situation what happened was shallow, right? You know, He ends up getting cut from the bucks.

And instead of him moping around everything, he's out, I don't know if you watch him, his post and him streaming. He's funny. Yeah. He's super duper hilarious. Like, he did one joint where he was out with a realtor, and a realtor was showing him,

I think it was a $5 million house. And he said, you ain't see I got cut? Like, why would you show me this? Do you see me playing on Sundays, nigga? What the fuck is what you should show me? And I'm like, yo, that kid got a lot of personality, man. But yes, to your point, man, it might be a different situation, not just for Shador Shiloh, including.

But they were raised good, good spirit, very God-faring men, the whole family. And I think that's why they're in the position they are still with good spirits, no matter what's happening. Pause, it may be in the jeans, for real. Because I saw if I'm not, if I stand corrected, if I'm wrong, But I think I saw the grandson even out there dancing on the field. So it's just the temperament that comes with being,

with coming with being a Sanders. Yeah. You do massage. You do massage, massage, massage. You do massage, you do massage, massage? Yeah, yeah, don't do, don't do it. Anyway. Again.

You're not a real person. You're not a real person. Yeah. What they call them anime? You're not a real person. Oh, man. You're not a real person. She looked like she did.

What I was going to say is... And I don't mean, not racial with me was the niggas start that. thought that. Yeah. You know? I was just going to say everybody handles things differently. I just think it's frustrating because it's like, of course Chador is excited and that's

why he expressed it the way that he did. But like, to make your point, you were saying that's just kind of in their jeans, but we've seen Justin Fields who admitted that he was crying. We've seen Caleb Williams back in college. When he lost him, he would go and cry. Like, Roed is not that type of person. So I don't understand what people expect him to do. Like some people are going to react that way and just talk their

and pop their shit because they can. You said, Caleb Williams and who? Kayla Williams was an example. And then Justin Fields. He didn't, we never seen him crying, but he was talking about how he got really emotional and had to come down, so. Oh, you're 100% right, but I think that's two different situations.

We're talking about that nigger being not the person because he's not playing. We talk about niggas crying when they actually is playing. These niggas got opportunities. They're not even giving them. They say that's actually worse. Yeah, it's, yeah, it makes it work. Like, y'all think, we're trying

to get little nuff an opportunity, opportunity. opportunity. These niggins out there with the opportunity. Yeah, but I get where you coming from. Yeah. Yeah, we understand. Yeah. Okay, so moving along to Jamar Chase, so we talked about that whole situation where he was physically seen spinning on Jaylon Ramsey. So he has since posted an apology and he posted it on Instagram. He said, what I did was wrong. The circumstances don't matter. My passion for the game is no excuse. There's zero place in our sport or in life for that level of disrespect. He then went on to say, I want to personally apologize to everyone within the Steelers organization.

So he did not specifically mention Jalen Ramsey by name, but he did reference the Steelers as a franchise. So after hearing that, how do you feel about that sort of apology, Mace? Man, I hate these kind of apologies. I hate apologies where people don't admit the truth. It's like, it's like a play on people's intelligence. You know, you hear people say this all the time. Yo, if I've done anything to offend you, I apologize. Nika, either you did or you didn't, if you don't know, you offended me, why are you apologizing?

So this is one of those things where is he now saying he did spit on him? Because I remember last time he said he didn't spit on him. So did the camera show that he did spit on him? Is he ready to come to that recollection? I think when it comes to these type of situation, if you're not ready to apologize yet, just say you're not ready to talk i sometimes i do it all the time i know that's a oxymoron sometimes i do this all the time like if i'm not ready to speak i don't speak people like oh you know i'm speaking because you you know something it's like no when i get my thoughts together

i'm going to speak until then i'm not going to give a halfway apology i'm just not going to say anything and i think that's what he should have done and that's what many people should do Because you look real stupid when you act like you didn't do something and then it's revealed that you did do something and now you're trying to apologize for what we now know you lied about. It's crazy. Maybe he really don't want to apologize.

Maybe Bengals made him apologize. You know this is that wrong and we just don't look at as an organization. We're going to have motherfucking our PR, write some shit up, post it on your page. And that's just what we're going to have to do because there's no way you're going to say you didn't spit on niggas and everybody sent you.

And he might have been like, I'll post it, just send it. And I'm not apologizing to that nigga because he know what he said to make me do that. I understand that. I definitely understand that. That makes sense if they force them. If they force you to give you apology, I definitely understand. Yeah.

We're saying there's a whole lot of PR activity in the football space as of lately because people are saying how they feel and standing on it. But for the organization, because you represent a team, it's not always what you can do. That's just how things go. Okay. Now we're going to get into our underdog picks of the day.

Speaking of Jemar Chase, on Thursday, the Bengals will play the Ravens. Underdog has Jemar Chase at 92 and a half receiving yards. Do you have higher or lower Mace? I'm going higher. Who they play? The Ravens. Might not because. There's a defense, but I'm going to hire.

He's friends be slacking this year. They played good the last couple games, but they've been slacking on you. I'm going to hire too. Okay, and then I don't know if y'all seen, but Joe Burrow posted on his Instagram story, a meme of himself saying he's back. So Joe Burrow is back. Underdog has him at 251 and a half passing yards. Thoughts on that and higher or lower, Cam.

You know, I'm the biggest Joe Burrow fan, but this is unnecessary. This is totally. necessary yeah we're not going to catch anybody in the division we're not going to the playoffs let that man hell up you know what i'm going to go higher because he he's going to try and force it for us you going to come back one of them 472 yard games and be like if i was playing this whole time yeah yeah i believe if he's if he's that um gunhole about coming back he's definitely ready to play and i mean when the ball is in joe burrow's hand he he can make pretty much anything happens so i'm going to go higher okay and lamar jackson's at 25 and a half rushing yards you have

higher lower mace definitely i'm going higher i got to go higher on this um it seems like whenever he wants to run he can run um i don't i don't remember anybody like him since like josh allen or they say Audrey RG3 but I would say see a closer thing to Michael Beck Underdog is good man this is a really good one because we've seen the last few weeks

him not running the way that he usually runs and that's been a big question as he fully healthy you know you see holes pause that he usually runs and gets 25 we're doing an over or under on Lamar Jackson on 25 yards where we know he could sometimes

just get a 30, 40, 40, yard burst at one play. The underdog, y'all paying attention, he's been injured, and he's still playing injured, and his explosiveness isn't there 100%. So this would be, this is a really, really good one, but I'm still going to go high. I think he's going to get over 25 yards.

Okay, make sure you'll download the underdog app, and you can make your picks too. So John Morant called Clay a bum, and Belichick is supporting his girl at cheerleading competitions. We will discuss. after the break. DJ, the dime life brand is serious. I love that shirt you got on.

Like this and your bank account is that much? You say we're ever to fucking want a second. Rally around him with that, you know, the picture of his daughter sitting on the lap, the LSU player. Will we happen as you can join us? Man, thank you for having me. I tell you, I got too much money to be fighting.

We ain't got that number. And we've taken that song a long time and made it our anthem. Paul A. Jenkins. I even put your bullshit-ass book up here on my, you know what I mean. Welcome to start with the facts. What's up, Big Dog? What's up, Big Dogs? Martin Luther King Jr. will be alive today if Tua was the shooter.

Tua's passer rating can barely go to the club and get a bottle. 24.1 passerated against the Brown. Marlon Humphrey is online saying that he wants to go on a glizzy tour. He wants to go to 50 states and try 50 glocks. It's going to be challenging for A.J. Brown. He typically stands outside the numbers a lot. And that's where PS2 thrives. C.D. Lamb said this is one of the best offenses he's been a part of.

And as much as I hate to say it, I can see why it says that. I just said all these positive things about the Cowboys makes me want to throw up. So I know it's taboo to put your hands on your kids. I know. But I had to whip your son the other day. When I evaluate rookies, the best thing I can always say about the ones that are doing the best, they understand past protection.

Pass pro is where you see some rookie struggle. He's not doing that. I'm liking what I'm seeing so far. Welcome back. So Jaw Morant was caught calling Clay Thompson a bum after the Grizzlies won the game, 102 to 96. A bum? Yes.

So as post game about what Jaws said, Clay responded. He's a funny guy with no accountability, just running his mouth. It's funny you run your mouth when you're on the bench. It's kind of been the whole story of his career. far. Mays, how do you feel about this confrontation? One, him calling Clay a bum, and then what Clay had to say. Real quick from May's goes, the years winding down and the pauses of years, and he just said, I think it's in his jeans a couple of segments ago. I didn't want to interrupt my God.

I just, I just, yeah, I've been letting you go for the last three weeks. If that's what you're doing, if that's what we're doing, just let me know. It's fine. I can have Nick pull up a few. I got my whole list right here. What you said the last three weeks. There's no Paul's revenge.

I'm going to let you rock. You got... You are sitting on, Ray, Ray pulls up some shit. You're sitting on the pole with your legs out. Leave me alone, bro. I'm telling you right now, do not make me find the picture. You are saying. I'm sitting on a pole with your legs spread open pores.

I didn't even call you about it. I'm trying to picture. It was Photoshop. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Niggies is going to say it was Photoshop. He was AI. Come on, man, I didn't even meet in the rug. I know the years wind up now.

I know the years winding down. I know. I didn't say that. You know, I thought about it when niggas showed me the picture. They say, yeah, the cams see this? Yeah, I love it. It said, bro, is they, uh, look like it's Photoshop to me. I don't know.

I wasn't there. Me neither. Did you see the picture? I did it. Oh, okay. You'll need to see it. No, well, now I might. Someone's just to send it to me.

Like, it's exactly what you're going to happen. Maybe I forgot the question. Trying to get it. How do you feel about Jah calling Clay a bum and then what Clay had to say in response? Oh, man. When when Jai is calling Clay a bum, this, I think this is exactly what Kobe was trying to avoid. you played at such a high level for so long when you've been a part of championships buzzer beaters 30 point games 50 point games 60 point games and now you're on a on a team and you're

scoring such a fraction of what you used to contribute to a team it's so easy for yin is come in and just call you a bump and and according to how you used to play that would that name would be appropriate even though we know clay thompson you're not a bum but according to how you used to look versus how you look now it it it might be some merit to it and i'm a i'm a great um clay thompson fan so this is coming from somebody who who you know who actually who actually used to be a fan or still is a fan it's just like me and kill up here we ever start rapping and there's no punch lines in here. There's no, there's no woo in any other verses. People could say you're trash now. You're a bum. And when I think of Jai saying this, I think Jai would be the one who's stern enough

or arrogant enough like Killa was saying earlier to say this. He would be the one to say it. This has been the story of his career. I wish he was more dunking on people and getting game-winning baskets, but this seemed to be like something that's going to be a part of his legacy. He'll go down probably as one of the greatest trash talkers when he should have been one of the greatest basketball players ever. And I, and I, and I, and I hope that changes for Jai because Jai is such a phenomenal talent. I'm trying to answer the question, but stag out the picture. I was trying to hook it.

You couldn't think. It's really not that bad. Okay. It's not. What photo shoot was that for? I don't even know. It looks AI. Let me see.

That is not AI. How do you know? Because it's not. That's young murder, man. You was dead. Look at Parasuko. That's got. But, right there's right there you go.

What is this for murder? This young man, Nick, we get about Christmas. We get about Christmas, Nick. Are he still waiting for his tree? That was right. That was, yeah, or he still wait for a small tree. Nick, Christmas was never coming anyway. I know it's crazy.

I know I need to answer this question, but Sincourt, on Talk with Fleeting, because I tell us that I don't be wanting to hear the questions because I like to be spontaneous for us. And then they got my first album cover ready, and he said, what was this about? You went a lover jumpsuit with fire all over you. I was going to bring that up with a hammer, pause.

Whose idea was that? This idea. I told him to ask, I don't know. I don't know on the show, you could have asked, they try to gas me, say it's 5,001 flavors. Just to look and know that. I said, yeah, man, you got to ask another. I was just doing, you know,

you got to go with the niggas who sold millions of records in your first time. You trust these niggas. When I asked unabout, the niggas said, it's your fault for having me starting to smoke weed. He blamed me for the shit. This is what happens, man. So, but.

Yeah, you didn't look happy in the picture. No, I wasn't, man. But I wasn't sitting on nobody, he pulled neither. Poor, you were naked and level. That's it. That might be worse.

I don't know. We got to put the ball up, we got to put the ball up, yeah, we got to put a side by side. Ngu, let the-in-level is crazy. Let the audience take a vote. The lever Yeah, yeah, that might be crazy

I don't know, murder You look comfortable You look comfortable, you look comfortable, man Why they doing that? I'm going to answer the question But yeah, y'all, the audience can vote Yeah See what's worse

But I'm going to answer the question Because I didn't know who he was working for All that time Murder, you put me with them, niggas, you might have lied You put me with the, you might have locked me up. Yeah, I ain't tell you to do all that. This is why I've been no guys, you just love for this over there. But, yeah, Nick, pull that up.

I'm going to answer the question why you find another picture. Look, the reason why this was bad, there's one thing saying that, but John put this finger in the nigger face. I don't know if y'all seen a video. He was like this. Clay had to swipe his hand there. But murder's correct.

Look, this nigger, this nigger, Clay Thompson has a lot of different records that people might have forgot about. He has 70 points in three quarters. He didn't even play the fourth quarter, 70 points three quarters. The most points in one quarter is Clay Thompson. I'm talking about ever in the NBA.

Yeah. 37 points in one quarter. And I think he took nine dribbles or some crazy shit to get to 37. Listen, the moral of the story is this. man, Mace made a great point. When you're looked at up here and you're not,

and when you decline here, decline here, decline here, the niggas are going to say you're bummed. And we know what Clay Thompson used to do, but it hasn't been seen lately, so that's why niggas like, jaw. It's like, yo, get up out of here.

You know, I felt really bad when, pardon me, Paul Pierce, shout to Paul here, that's my nigga. I forget if he, I don't know if he played the Clippers or the Celtics, the Celtics, some might, not the Celtics, I'm pardon me, of course he plays.

The Nets. Brooklyn. Yeah, it was Brooklyn. He went to somewhere, he went, did he go somewhere else afterwards though? Think he went to the Clippers. I'm not sure. Damn, where he got, whatever it is. Fucking, don't even matter.

It wasn't the Celtics. Towards the end of his career. And he was talking shit with Draymond Green, and there was his last year, and Draymond Green said, fuck out of here. ain't Kobe, you're trying to get that last, that last tour on your, you know, basically saying your last hurrah of your career, you ain't Kobe, nigga. And I'm like, damn, Paul Pierce was fucking nice, bro.

As much as, you know, Paul Pierce these days, people tease him because he talks shit about how good he was. And that nigga was good, real, real good. But like you said, the younger niggas don't be respecting when it's day term, not realizing that one day they're going to get older as well. Yeah, he played for the Wizards and the Clippers. I think that game was the Clippers, though. Yeah, yeah, because I remember a Clippers jersey.

So I'm like, yo, that was fucked up, you know what I'm saying? And it's like what Kobe Bryant said. Kobe Bryant said, God bless the day before when, no, he was still playing. He said, if I would cover one of these players that only average 15, 16 points, I'm not playing anymore. And I'm just not going to do it. And we've seen a lot of players towards the end of the career, whether it's money reasons or whether they,

didn't want to retire or whatever, and you say, damn, I didn't want to see fucking Patrick you went on the Seattle Supersonics. Yeah, that was horrible. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You didn't want to see Akeem Elijah Juan sitting on the bench towards the end of his career, knowing how dynamic of a player he was. And some players just don't look right, and some players have the opportunity to walk away from the game when they can.

Even though Clay, you know, the motor's still there, but his shot is just so. And it's been off for a while. But, um, yeah, it's like, it's like seeing Stucky start over AI. That was hard-breaking. Yeah. Well, before we further discuss this, because there are more points, we got to pull the pictures up because I know that. Yeah.

In the comments down below. That's great. Killer, you might have won. I don't think so, murder. You got your legs spread open. Your legs are spread open, murder? Where are you at, though? Where are you at?

I'm at a photo shoot. You look like, where are you at? I'm not even there. That's AI. Me too. I'm not saying. Oh, now it's AI. Well, in the comments, y'all, let us know what y'all think.

We'll let you all decide. I don't even know what's when I choose. Like, they're kind of even in different ways, in my opinion. But let us know what y'all think. There is a tweet that I want to get you guys's opinion on. It could be rage bait, but also I can't say that because this is how some people actually think somebody said ring culture has destroyed objectivity in sports clay is a star role player jaw as a franchise star there's no comparison player to player and then in his opinion he thinks that jaw is better

no debate so hearing that maze because now this is kind of what people are doing and this is what social media has kind of brought it to a jaw versus clay debate which to me very different situations but mace what is what's your opinion on that who's better um career wise Clay is absolutely way far better than Jai. Jai is what it looks like when you have great potential. But the potential of Jai is still not totally recognized yet because we haven't seen him grow into what he could be. When we see Clay Thompson, we're looking at back-to-back championships.

We're looking at championships without Kevin Durant. Chavonships, you know, and this is two championships before, DeRant even got there. Then we're looking at another championship after Kevin Durant leaves. So we're looking at some great work. We're looking at some great work. And when it comes to him and Jai, Jai is a phenomenal talent. Jai is explosive, but 37 points in one quarter.

I don't think Jai ever got that many points. But if you're talking about Flair, Jai is way better. but if you're talking about, you know, points and you're talking about actually team playing and getting Ws, I don't think they're the same, but sometimes it's the swag, you know. It's the braids, it's the colorful sneakers, is the YN attitude, and people are going to support that over a clean-cut guy who just comes in, get his job done. And even right now, you know, he's playing on a Dallas team. I don't think there's any comparison.

Jai is much better now, of course, because he's in the younger, in the younger flow of things. But if you take Jai at his best and put him against Clay at his best, I would take Jive for explosiveness, but other than that, I'm going with Clay Thompson every single day. Good take.

Kim? Yeah, man, that's pretty much it. Like, we all realize, right? So he sit there and said the nigger called him a franchise role. Role player? No, that was last take. Yeah. And just real quick for the audience, because Mace was saying, and I think he just slipped up a little bit. Yeah, I paused. Yeah, he won one championship before.

Right. So, oh. Right. So anyway, he called him a franchise role player. He called Clay a star role player and Jha, franchise star. You can be a franchise star, and I'm not saying everything is rain culture, because you have great people from a bunch of errors that didn't win chips, and they were, Charles, Markley, League MVP, number one of the chip, Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, Carmelon, look, we know that list. Yeah. We get it.

So it isn't, to me, everything ain't rain culture, but you do want to win. You know what I'm saying? You want to win a championship. You want to know what it feels like. So I get it. But at the end of the day, when you're talking about these two players, right, you

can say what you want about franchise player and role player. You don't win the championships without Clay. you don't you don't it's not going to happen without clay maybe the two with durant when durant got there but i think the reason that durant got there because clay was there also he realized what a great team all of them could make together um so look the object of the name of the game is this right

pause put the ball in the basket clay thompson at his prime knew how to put the ball in the basket. He didn't have to dribble a bunch of times. He didn't have to jump over niggas to do it. Pause. He didn't have to dunk on a hundred niggers. Seventy points in three quarters, 37 points in one quarter. The name of the game has put the ball in the basket. And Clay Thompson, at his prime, I know how to do that. So a prime, Clay Thompson, yes, look, you got to think about this and I wrap this up with this. I want to give a big credit, a lot of credit. First of all, how people say, yo, Steph Curry,

changed the game, he changed the game, changed the game. To me, Mark Jackson let them change the game. When Mark Jackson came out and said, I have the best shooting back court in history. Everybody thought that he lost his mind. He didn't say the best back court in history. He wasn't compared, he said the best shooting back court. And he found out to be right.

Think about this. You get a coach like, what's that nigga Brown? They used to coach AI in Philly. Yeah, Larry Brown. Larry Brown. He ain't letting stuff in Clay, dude. that. Yeah, he ain't letting them niggas fire off.

Van Gundy, he could never do that. You're not doing all that shit, but these certain coaches, you're just not having that shit. I don't even think Popovich would have seen the vision as good. The only person you think Paul Westfall would have let them do that? Yeah, he probably would. Yeah, you might have to let him do it. Yeah.

You realize you got a lick-ig about this. When you're letting them do this, you see it in practice. Niggas like Larry Brown and they don't care what J.C. I don't care. Don't ever shoot that shot. Yeah, exactly. And Mark Jackson said, nah, these niggas is going. This shit different.

I don't think y'all seeing what I'm seeing. So you got to give Mark Jackson a lot of credit for having that vision. And Steve Kerr walks right into that situation. You got to think about this. I don't know if Steve Kerr would have let them do that if he started from the beginning. From the very beginning.

Think about the time when stuff Curry was dribbling around, Steve Kerr, like, what you doing? And stuff made the three. And he's like, fuck I'm going to do. You know what I'm saying? shoot from the logo, he's going to be on a bench until next year. Right, exactly. When we is growing up.

Exactly. Because to develop that kind of game, you have to let them shoot them shots. And those were shots in our day. If you shot that shot, you're trying to make us lose. I was the kid with your wind don't shoot. Yeah. So, you know, I want to give Mark Jackson that credit because we tend to forget that he had at the vision and let that go.

Mm-hmm. And I don't even think Steve Kerr would have did that if he started with Steph Curry and Clay Thompson in the beginning. But, yeah, I'm going with somebody, and I'm a big Jai fan. Like you said, I wish Jai didn't get hurt as much, and I wish he didn't get into trouble he got, because we see other players, to me, surpass him that was underneath him paused as far as notoriety's concerned.

When you think about an ant man. Yeah. When you think about somebody, we talk about Wimby now. or, you know, a few different players. Those are the ones that just come to mind who's like to be considered superstars where they want him. We talked about him being in the face of the league.

But I'm going with Clay. Let me ask you something, Killer. I think comparing Jai, for those that are listening, comparing Jai to Clay is like comparing Derek Rose to Reggie Miller. That's a great comparison. Absolutely. Absolutely.

And as crazy as D. Rose was iconic, he was iconic for young niggas, you know. But I wouldn't put him past no Reggie Miller. Reggie Miller was lights out. Yeah, that's a really tough one. That's a tough one because, and I think I'm gonna agree with you. But you gotta think about this, D. Rose with the league MVP.

Y'all wasn't the league MVP. D. Rose was 21 year old. League MVP. That's what I'm saying, the potential of what could have been something great, but that's what is, until Jai proves it, Jock can be something else, just like Derek Rose could, but we got to see where that goes. Yeah, I'm agreeing with you. I'm just saying that Jai wasn't a league MVP.

Yeah. I'm still going to Reggie Mell, but, you know, LeBronham was mad about that shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, this thing was a league MVP, man, Derek Rose injuries, boy. We really got robbed with that one, man. That one, him and Brandon Roy, Anthony Hardaway. You know, we got robbed for a couple niggas, man. Yeah.

Last thing I'll add really quick is that. I agree with both of y'all, and I think that they are both great players, but I do think that there is a way to go about things, because even when we saw Ant Man Trash Talking KD, it was a different type of banter, like it was more fun. Like, this exchange between Jaw and Clay, like, it seemed a lot more personal to the point

to the point where I didn't even, when they translated it after and said that he called him a bum, I truly thought that he might have said something about Meg or something because the way that Clay looked, he was pissed. So just seeing that and just kind of how that interaction way,

especially knowing how good of a player, I don't want to say, I mean, Clay is. It was something else there that just made me feel like, damn, I don't, I only know how I feel about it. No, I did you. No, I did because that's how it looked, because I was like, dang.

You know, no. Black woman power, staff. No, because where I'm going with this is that there are some words that you say that don't really offend somebody versus do and then for whatever reason, I just felt like bum really. And then even what Clay had to say after. Why are you going to say

something about his mother or his father? It could be that too. You just but the reason see of how things have been going and seeing how he's been also sticking out. I was just like, Dale. Staties getting paid about Black Girl Magic. No, I'm just saying what I see. I was like, damn.

For Clay to react the way that he did, did he just call him a bummer, and shout out to the black girls and even shout out to the black girls tab you want to give them a shout out now i'm just saying that's how it looks but even if it was just that cool but i'm just like that's exchanged with this a lot to me this this Clay Thompson going back to golden state been beefing with these niggas though yeah this ain't like no one-time thing i remember you got kicked out he's waving up get a ring somebody on their team arm got broke before on golden state of rookie or stuff.

Like, this isn't really no new shit between Clay Thompson and the minute, I'm pardon me, the Memphis Grizzlies. This has been going on for like three, four years. I just think at the point of how we've seen where Clay is going, timing also makes a plan to hear too. So the way that I viewed it, I'm just like, that hit him differently.

That's how I viewed it. Yeah, it's like beefing with somebody that you've been beefing with for the longest. but every other year you have been beefing with them, you've been producing. Now you're not producing in this same argument is going on. So that's why you got to take it physical when you're not the same player.

This is how people are in the park when they no longer can play. They start fouling niggas. But to Clay Thompson's point, you ain't the same player, nigga. And you're young. And you, as a matter of fact, you're not even playing. Yeah, yeah. You're right.

So that's even a better point. He said, I'm older. That's why I'm not playing. Why are you not playing? Yeah. And I can see that argument going on and on. But this is why you got, this is why you got to retire because you can't, you got to leave out when you're great so people can speak of you in a great way of greatness is what you want to be spoken. Yeah, completely agree.

And then just going to wrap it back to kind of what you were saying earlier because we saw Jall wasn't playing in this game. The quote you said, whoever exalts himself will be humbled. And I'm just like, John got a lot to figure out. That's what I'm going to say. And I'm going to leave it. And Stad, you can give a shout out to the black girls. We support the black girls here, Statt.

You don't have to sneak Megan and everything. I was just about to say, we definitely support black females. But for you to just. We knew that, though. Yeah, but you just threw our name in there like, you was a lip reader. Nah, because I'm not a lip reader, but the things these lip readers be uncons. covering. I was like, damn, you sure you just call him a bum? Because damn, like, how did it get to

that point? But I mean, y'all know where I stand and I know where y'all standing. We all call people bombs every day, Stad. Yeah, but this one just looked a little personal. That's all I had to say. Y'all, that is all the time we have for today. Remember in the comments to comment down below, which ever you thought was worse or better, whatever y'all's thoughts are on that. But thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is. now. Yeah, that's crazy, killer right there. Yeah, that's crazy, Marta. They can see your soles on your feet, man. That's crazy.