IT IS WHAT IT IS - I HEARD MA$E & CAM'RON BOUGHT ROC-A-FELLA FROM DAME DASH... ALLEGEDLY | S3 EP40

Episode Date: February 28, 2024

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How you doing man? How you doing man? Good. You looking sharp. Likewise. Another ring to match the glasses. I never see nobody

do it man. The wetting ring stunt. I never ring to match the glasses. Every ring matches the glasses. That's a stunt, man. I'm feeling rich, you know. You've been feeling rich for a long time, man. It's been a couple decades.

More than that, man. Okay, so before we even get into the questions, I'm hearing some things, and I don't know if people know, so I figured I might as well ask y'all, which is a crazy statement to even ask, but I'm going to ask y'all. I'm hearing that y'all

are about to get Rockefeller from Dame Dash. Is that true? Straight to it. Is that true? It's actually asked Pam and Mason today. Ask him and me today. Let's just say, let's just say, Killer, I did for $20. Times who knows how much. let's just say hypothetically

right hypothetically oh man hypothetically would that be like hypothetically did it happen I have a secret I might want to tell you I've been working on

okay me too you do I might want to tell you I've been working on. Okay. Me too. You do. But let's just say if I did know something, you know. Yeah. I don't know. I don't want to answer that right now, Steph. Hypothetically, it might have happened already.

Hypothetically. Would that be a grandmaster chess move? I'm just doing business, bro. I'm not here. I'm not here trying to play games or chess against anybody. I'm here solely for business. I'm not on the chess board

with anyone. I'm just here to solely do business the proper way. That's pretty much it, man. So since you're here to do business, I mean, allegedly. You know what's crazy? Why we act like we're not together? But guys, listen, I'm here all do business hypothetically speaking I mean of course we're doing business

together you know whatever business that is I feel like rubbing the bird man's hands you know it's definitely a bird man's hair I love it when a plan

come together yeah but let's just say about 20 years in the making yeah if we did would you think

um would you would you since you're doing business since we're doing business who would you

sell it to right now I just probably will hold on to it for a little while. Like the Wu-Tang album? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly, exactly, man.

I think I'm going to hold on for a little while. So we bought the reasonable doubt you'll hold it for a little while. Yeah, I mean, what would you like to do? I mean, it's because you know how to realize what we got in our

possession, hypothetically. Hypothetically in our possession. It's a classic, man. It's a classic. It's a classic, and to be like, you know, it's ours, hypothetically. Yeah. Yeah, this, I would,

you know, people come talk to me, I'm on business. Yeah, alright, people come talk to me. I'm on business. Yeah. People come talk to me, but I don't know at this point, right? The phone, the phone's open. The phone line is definitely open. Do you mind if I say who I was telling it to? Oh, no, not at all.

I was thinking, you know, this morning, I was thinking if I had it, you know. Hypothetically speaking. Yeah. Who would I sell it to? First, I was thinking, man, I'd probably sell it to Drake. Drake probably would want to buy it from me. Okay. Hypothetically.

Hypothetically, yeah. Drake would definitely be interesting. Drake was trying to buy a vendor Holyfield's earlobe. Beast in the ear. Yeah, Drake. Beats an ear. Beats the mic. Yeah, Drake. You out. You out, boy. Drake is out here copping shit.

He bought Pharrell's some of his skateboard chains. I actually done some business with Drake. I'll let him announce it whatever he wants to announce it. But he's out here copping shit.

He's definitely copping. You know, shout out to Chubbs, to OVO Chubbs. When I was like, you know, we was doing business with Drake, and I was like, I don't want to, you know, I can't let this go for this price. And OVO Chubbs said, you can't offend us. I said, I'm telling you, I'm going to want something reasonable.

He said, you know what, Cam? If it's like that, write it down on the paper and slide it over like the mob so that's what i think i'll do hypothetically i'll go to the brunch the next time okay and i'll do something good for hip-hop all right i'll sell it back to the original owners okay that's what you think about yeah and be a and be a hero instead of a villain with it. That'd be pretty nice of you. That's a pretty nice guy.

The bigger person. Yeah, he the bigger person. That's what's up. I'd sell it back. Stout, holla at me, man. And be the bigger person, you know? Stout, holla at me, man. Do it for hip-hop, you know? Stop hollering at me, man.

Doing for hip-hop, you know? That's dope, man. That's dope. Well, I don't know what plans are near or what plans have been done, but... What's the secret you had, Gil? That's pretty much... Kinda is a little more to my shit, but I just want to wait

till everything is done. Now that we've talked about it, it's a little more to my shit, but I just want to wait till everything is done. It's great. Now that we've talked about some little extra piece to it. It's good. Because, somebody reached out about it

and hypothetically, somebody reached out about it and this person, I don't know, man. Because you know why? I'm just trying to be with you I didn't do something good for hip hop I'm just on business

and the person who called me through a third party when they found out that we was acquiring pardon me allegedly hypothetically acquiring Dame's third, a rocker fella, the Reasonable Doubt album. When they found out about it, a third party called out,

and they was like, let me get that. And I'm like, damn, because this is, I'll put it like this. This is two heavyweights battling, two big heavyweights battling. Hit a nigga with a bomb, another nigga hit another nigga with a bomb I think the same person called me another nigga hit him with a bomb then the nigga did some business shit and kinda

put him under the wing on some business shit so now the nigga he put under the wing years ago on some business shit is like I need that and I'm like, I don't know if I want to be in the middle of all that, but it's definitely interesting. That's why I said I'd be the hero

instead of the villain. Because I thought to sell it to him would make me the villain. I'm just here to do proper business, man. You just here to do business. I'm not here on business. You ain't got... I have no feelings or emotion in it.

Not even a little bit. I was thinking. I was thinking. I was just a kid playing. And you look devious to me. I was just here to do things the proper way. Hypothetically, when I woke up, I said, this can't be real. Yeah, I couldn't believe it either, to be honest with you.

Well, look, I'm just here to do business the right way. That's pretty much what I like to do. We don't want no enemies. We just here to do business. Yeah, yeah. Listen, man. Look, let me tell you something. A lot of people hate us, and they never going to get over it. It's just they can't do nothing about it.

You know, at the end of the day, they going to shake our head, smile. And I'm not talking about nobody in particular. I'm talking about a lot of niggas in general. We just ain't going nowhere. It just wasn't in the cards for us to be not here. But this isn't about if you like us or not. This is about if you want to do

business the right way. My line's available and we're open to talk. We're definitely open to talk. It's good for hip-hop, you know? Oh, it's definitely... It's good for hip-hop. Listen,

a random could have got it. Yeah. A random could have got it. Yeah, hypothetically. I'm just saving it from the vultures. Yeah, exactly. Exactly, man. It's in good hands. It vultures. Yeah, exactly. Exactly, man.

It's in good hands. It's definitely in good hands, man. All right. Congratulations, hypothetically. You owe me a dollar. Yeah, I do owe you a dollar. Mortimer. I told you we'd be back.

I definitely, if I had a single on me You know what I told you We would be back That was a great answer This is honestly a real life movie But Okay That movie ain't starting yet

It ain't starting yet. It ain't starting yet. Movie ain't starting yet. Yo, my 2024 couldn't have been better. This is a great start, yeah. I know I have nothing in my runway. I'm just flying. Yeah, yeah. You know. God,'m just flying. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

You know. God did his thing. Yeah. Yeah, you definitely got that. God did his thing. Yeah, man. Yo, I'm back with my childhood friend, Keller. That's a fact.

But one thing about things, and I'm not talking about this situation. I'm just talking about in general with people like us. It's like, and I don't mean it maliciously. I'm just talking about in general what people like us is like. And I don't mean it maliciously. I don't mean it bad. But you got to know we're going to spend a block. You got to know that, man.

You got to know. You got to know Lazarus. They thought they buried us. Lazarus, nigga. Yeah, man. Yeah. This is not towards anyone or anything. I'm just saying, when we're wrong, we know we're wrong.

A lot of times, we still kind of won't admit it. But in our heart, we know we're wrong. But when we ain't do nothing wrong, and niggas just fucking with niggas, it'd be like, damn, bro. And I'm not talking about what we're talking about. I'm just saying in general. Just talking in general.

When I say Lazarus, I mean that in general. There's a lot of people that didn't think, you know, killer would be here. They didn't think I would be here. Right. That's a fact. You know? Lazarus, man.

Call me Lazarus, man. You can't bury me nowhere, nigga. Yeah, nigga. You know what time it is. Bury proof is crazy. Burial proof is crazy. There you go. Okay, y'all.

So the NBA is nearing plans for the Phoenix Suns to host the 2027 All-Star Weekend. In 2025, it will be hosted by the Warriors in the Bay. And in 2026, it will be hosted by the Clippers in LA. hosted by the Warriors in the Bay. And in 2026, it'll be hosted by the Clippers in LA. Do you guys think it's a good idea to host these games in the West for three years in a row? I think it is. I think it's really good because the places that it's going, LA is going to be dope for 2025. I can think of all of the fun everybody's going to have. All you guys going to All-Star Weekend in LA, you got to have security because you know the robbery is going to be at an all-time high. But then once they get to 26 and you're in Golden State, that's another real nice place to

have. I've never been to Golden State for an All-Star game, so I know that's going to be super lit. It's a place I definitely want to be, a place I definitely enjoy myself when I'm out there. Shout out to the Bay, shout out to Oakland, shout out to San Fran. I mean, everywhere out there has been super dope for me. I can only imagine the type of party 40 would have out there and all of them. Imagine the type of party 40 would have out there and all of them. So shout out to the Bay. But when it gets to Phoenix, I think that's another city.

But I think we had a Super Bowl not too long ago in Phoenix and Everett. That went very well. You just don't want to get in trouble in Phoenix. Is it fair? I'm not sure if it's fair, but I dig it. Shit was cold as fuck in Indianapolis. Yeah, man. You know what I'm saying? You keep going on these East Coast shits,

they're all-star, and you're going to freeze your ass off, and then I know it affects people's bottom line. So when you're having parties, it's not crowded, or when you're having events, it's not crowded, or so on and so forth. When I landed in Indianapolis, it was nine degrees. Odds per turd, to say the least. So is it fair?

I don't know if it's fair. Do I understand? I totally understand, because you don't want people to miss out on events to be cold. So L.A. And that's another thing with these cities. Don't get it fucked up. Phoenix gets chilly in the winter, just like Vegas does. It's in the desert, you know.

The Bay Area, their weather's pretty consistent around 40 to 60. You know what I'm saying? So it isn't like it's hot. L.A., you could have a, think about L.A., it could be 80, it could be 40. We don't know. It's catch weather. But one thing that I will say is that Phoenix, I like Phoenix a lot. I really do.

Scottsdale in particular. What I will say is Mace made a great point, but he didn't zero in on it enough. You will get robbed at LA and the Bay. Niggas is coming to get you, bro. Yeah. And you know, he touched on it, but I will emphasize.

They are coming to rob you when you get to LA and when you get to the Bay. Them Oakland niggas, the Richmond niggas, them San Francisco, they are coming to rob you. So don't come up there and be like,

oh, the trolley, nice hills. You will get yapped. And L.A. is, listen, one thing I learned. Yeah, even while you're sitting down to eat. Niggas in L.A. rob you while you're sitting down to eat. The pandemic was vicious. Yeah, you'd be outside just eating, thinking you're cool. I was sleeping with an AR when I was living in L.A. a couple years ago during the pandemic.

Because it was too reckless. Like you said, I've seen that video where somebody was eating and they just walked over. Let me take that watch off you. They just sat there. They will come get you. Not only that, they have a reputation for this shit. This is what they do without an

all-star weekend. You know what I'm saying? I think it's great cities to have it in. Don't get me wrong. It's just about moving right. think it's great cities to have it and don't get me wrong it's just about moving right but um those are great cities to have it in and i think that the weather is playing a big part in of it because of it's just freezing during all-star time if you're not like in miami or maybe orlando maybe i'm trying to think of warm places. Even Atlanta gets a little chilly. You know what?

New York's about Boston freezing. Charlotte gets chilly. I'm thinking of all the East Coast teams. And it gets chilly. It gets chilly. Detroit is freezing. It gets chilly. I think for weather-wise, it's good.

I think they're going to have to figure it out eventually because it's not going to be fair to have it on the West Coast for a while. They're going to throw a tantrum. Somebody on the East Coast soon. But I dig it. I understand it. Okay. LiAngelo Ball is officially playing professional basketball in Mexico.

How do you guys feel about him continuing his professional career? I thought he was playing for the um the g league team from from charlotte the hornets yeah so he played with them in summer league and then he signed a non-guaranteed contract and he was waived october 15 2022 yeah i think that's crazy because one of the first games he had i think that was charlotte where he had about 26 point at the first time that he started. So he's shown that he's not going to be any worse than, and I don't want to say any worse, you know, because I know my standards are high when it comes to professional sports. So sometimes people tell me

my judgment is too sharp, but I'm speaking from an elite level. I'm really not supposed to be talking about LiAngelo Ball. I'm really supposed to be talking about other players. But since we're on this player, I think when it's all said and done, he makes the league. I think when it's all said and done, he'll be on a team. And maybe he'll be a backup. I can see you, LiAngelo, getting a good contract with a good team. So keep up the good work. Keep working hard and keep being a dog like your dad said.

I know your dad said that two of his sons will make it to the NBA, but I got three. I want to be the first one to go on the record and let you know that I believe you're going to make a team and I believe you're going to make a real difference. And shout out to you, your new baby, Nikki, and everybody else. Dad said that they always going to make it

at one time unless he changed the stance. So what, he went from two to, he went from three to two? Yeah, he started saying twos.

I remember when they was, when, when, when Lonzo was in college, he said he's going to have all three

of his kids. I just know it got to be tough at the dinner table, man. When y'all go home for Thanksgiving and Christmas, the jokes got to be wild on LiAngelo because everybody else is in the NBA. You know, all that housewives are going to Mexico. Speak in Spanish yet? No, but I think they're a good family.

Like, they all on the same page, yeah? I don't think he wants for anything. Like, when it comes to that type of family, because they work from the mud. Even though his brothers probably ended up better, they're like, you know, like when brothers are brothers. Listen, I'm not disagreeing with you, but inside, look, I think one of the best best

and tv wise we only know from television on the internet and so on and so forth i think the best brotherhood funniest i love to watch them whether it's a commercial um game analysis etc are the manning brothers hey and eli and Eli, I love watching them. Yeah. But you can tell. You can tell. It's a conversation. Two Super Bowls

was fluky, Eli. You know. You know damn well if the niggas didn't catch that, then you got to realize Eli had two before Peyton

and Peyton's supposed to be this great quarterback. Yeah. If you that nigga. I know this is the one you looked at, Dad, but Iton's supposed to be this great quarterback. Yeah. If you that nigga. I know this is the one you looked at, Dad, but I'm really the one. Yeah, exactly. So I don't think, when I say that, I don't think it's malicious. Oh, okay, yeah.

I don't mean it as malicious as bum-ass nigga, more of a playful shit. Like, I would do it. Because you know why? You set a great point. He ain't going to be fucked up. And if he needs cause you know why you said, you said a great point. They ain't like, he ain't going to be fucked up. And if they, if he needs some,

I'm pretty sure they got them, but it do got to hurt. It ain't about a financial situation. This one, you know, damn niggas made it, man. What the fuck?

I didn't. And then it hurts even more. Probably when you saying stats, like you just named, I had 26. I was averaging 17. I was doing this. My stats look better than Melo.

Shit that you yell out like that. So I can imagine when I say the dinner conversations because it's fun and jokingly, I don't think it's none malicious at all. But I would love to pay to see that. With the LaVardia, I would really love to pay to see that with with the with with the lavaria i would love i would really love to pay and see what their dinner conversation is like at this present moment i think that's like honestly i think that's like me you and other niggas from harlem it's like

two niggas really had the glory on them you know like and you know it when somebody got the glory on them it's not anything you tried to make happen it's just the way it was meant to go and then there's other niggas that that could have the same success but they have to work much harder like a nigga six six at the point guard he doesn't have to work that hard. But then you 6'3 at the two guard, you got to do way more work. Yeah, listen. And that was God chose that. Yeah, what I'm saying is this.

And that's a great example. If you want to use us two, and I don't mean this no way because he's a reoccurring name on this show at least twice a month, but it's like me and you and Dennis Jingles. Yeah.

Jingles good. He good at where he at, but you know he played for it. And you know who he played for. So that's what I'm saying. Me, you, and Jingles was sitting here, pause, eating dinner, and we having a conversation,

you know what the conversation is going to go like. You're going to say you have 40, wherever you have 40, and this, that, and third. LiAngelo is Jingles. Yeah, he's the player. Yeah, he's the player. And then there's Gauchos and Riverside.

Yeah, exactly. Everybody know them two. Yeah, so, but that don't mean he's the player and then there's Gauchos and Riverside yeah exactly yeah everybody know them too yeah yeah so but that don't mean he's not good that don't mean that Jingles was good

he just gotta he just gotta work much harder right I would love to hear Jingles response to that you know what's crazy Jingles

Jingles would be on Instagram tomorrow morning and be like I'm telling you every time he bring his name he be like why are these niggas fucking with and be like, I'm telling you, every time he bring his name, he'd be like, why are these niggas fucking with me?

I'm not here to bop with nobody. Every morning he's on the gram when we bring his name up. I didn't say that. Killer said that. He agreed. He understood. He didn't deny it. Yeah.

He understood where I was coming from. Jingles told me, Jingles told me Chili gave him 72 points. I was coming from. Oh, man. Jingles told me Chili gave him 72 points. I can't talk to him after that. Yeah. 72 as well, B.

Yeah, God bless Chili Jones. Yeah. Okay, on Monday, the Knicks versus Pistons had a crazy game ending as the Knicks beat the Pistons

113 to 111. At the postgame presser, Pistons coach Monte Williams asked, where is the New York media now? The absolute worst call of the season. We've done it the right way. We've called the league.

We've sent in clips. What do you guys think about his concerns? And then him speaking out to everybody about the Miss foul. I think this is amazing because I mean, he's coaching Detroit, right? This is the game they should have won against a very scorching New York's team. And when I think of this situation, the ref even said they got the call wrong. But I don't know what does that mean towards the game?

Does that give them a victory or does it not? You know, so it's kind of a weird situation. And that's just all I can say. At this point, Detroit don't have games they can afford to lose any more of. So when they get this close to winning, they definitely need their W. But he said he sent it in. He said this is an abomination. He said you can't miss that in an NBA game, period.

Now he's using Young Miami terms. So I really don't know how to take this. Shout out to Young Miami. Killer, what you think? Stop crying. Stop crying? Yeah. um killer what you think stop crying stop crying yeah like it's like what Shaq told

Kanye right he said stop crying man stop leaving it in the ref's hands sorry about that I was just looking at some stats from the game look I don't even really matter

I didn't even know it was that close of a game. That's why I was catching it. Yeah, it was 105-103. It was 113. Oh, 113. 113-111. I'm going to go beyond this game. And I see something probably a month ago

because the Knicks got jerked on the call against Atlanta or Toronto, somebody about a month ago because the Knicks got jerked on a call against Atlanta or Toronto, somebody about a month ago, and they were complaining. And the legitimate question is what makes this ask. What happens after the refs admit that they messed up? Okay, cool. And what they say is that it's a lot of things

that go on with referees that get reprimanded that the public don't know about like if you mess up on calls I don't know the amount of time let's just say 7-8

you won't coach in the playoffs or you won't coach in the championship you won't ref in the playoffs right pardon me absolutely I'm sorry you won't ref in the playoffs so

as much as the public be like oh oh, he fucked up and they said, sorry, say sorry. Behind the scenes, these referees are getting penalized and they'll cost them money moving forward if it's the obvious call they missed or even a minute that they missed the call because when you coach in the part, I keep saying coach, when you rough in the playoffs is extra money. You refer to championship is extra money. The more you rough, the more you get paid. So, um, it's not publicized a lot because with the NBA and the NFL don't want to happen is people,

or especially not people, people could say what they want. They don't want players and they don't want coaches talking bad about the referees. That's why they get fined so much when they do talk about referees. But if they miss a call, then they should shoot free throws or something to see

if that game, they will win that game. I don't know what the solution is. I'm not arguing that. I just don't know what the answer is because it depends. You may miss a call early in the game that has a deciding factor later on in the game, not just a missed call late in the game. What if something happened earlier that caused you three, four points

and you lose by one or two points? I don't know the answer. I don't know how it goes. But this is happening a lot this year and not just this year. It's just now that they're admitting it more. Yeah, they got to fix this. Yep. But just know that they are getting penalized.

Does that mean the team is going to get their win back that they could have possibly won? I don't think so. They're giving out free wings in Detroit if they would have won the game. So a nigga that wanted his wings just messed his parlay up. I ain't mad at that. I dig it. Listen, niggas offer Toronto dinner too for winning three games in a row.

I don't really know what the correlation is with feeding people and winning games. But if that's where we at, what a more power to it. Three wings at Wingstop. That's what it's looking like now. and they messed a lot of wings up. I'm saying, even not just the fans, when Snap brought up that topic a month or two ago, however long ago it was, where the coach offered to buy the players dinner at Toronto

if they won three games in a row, I don't think that's motivational when niggas is making millions of dollars. So what would motivate them? As a player? Yeah. Me? What would have niggas going crazy?

Me? Contracting the renegotiation. I'm going crazy on this shit trying to get to the re-up, nigga. Yeah, an early re-up. Yeah, an early re-up. An early re-up. We ain't got way to June if I go out there and cook Stephen Curry tonight. Yeah, like,

that's what they got to achieve. What niggas be living for the moment and not realizing, okay, I'm in a four-year deal. Maybe I can bullshit these first two years and go crazy my last two. I don't know what niggas' mentality is. You see how the all-star game look for niggas charity. Niggas ain't really

playing hard for that. Yeah, exactly. So when to me, like for instance and I'm not badgering, I'm not being funny or nothing because I know we, sometimes we make a lot of jokes or whatever with them. But like, seriously, all jokes aside, what is Ben Simmons What's going to motivate

him? Not motivate him. What does his contract situation look like moving forward when this contract is up? Who wants him? And if you do want him, who's going to pay him? You're a liability at this point, and you're not trustworthy to be available for games, whether it's true or not, mental health,

whether you really have a pitch nerve, et cetera. All that could be well and fine and true. But do I want to invest if I'm the Utah Jazz, if I'm the Portland Tribune? How are you going to bring Ben Simmons into that, killer? Because your accent motivates people. And then when I brought money up, I was saying maybe money motivates people. And then I was saying that if it's your contract that motivates you, a person like Ben Simmons who hasn't been playing good,

his contract is going to be up, I think, not next season or the season after. If you're a team that's trying to build or rebuild, do you want a 6'10 guy that's not going to shoot or in the back of your brain as a GM are you going to say, this guy was a three-time All-Star. Maybe he needs a fresh start. Maybe I'm willing to take a chance on him. And that's how I brought him up because we was talking about what motivates players.

And I'm saying, damn, it doesn't seem like a contract is even motivating him. So that's how I brought him up. Oh, okay. And that's a good point about the food incentive because on both ends, I don't understand why that's the way to get us to want to do something, which is really crazy when you say it out loud. So my next question, kind of on the same topic,

is obviously we're seeing now that refs are admitting when they're making mistakes. Would you prefer them admitting their wrongs or does this make you just distrust them more? Would you rather them keep quiet or do you like when they actually come out and say, yeah, I messed up?

Yeah. I'll say this after I say this. Cam is hating on Ben Simmons. You hating on Ben Simmons, Keller? You like what Ben Simmons is doing? No. Are you hating on him? All right, then.

I feel the same way you feel. But feelings, Mitchell. I'm not hating on Ben Simmons. I'm actually not yeah I'm not hating on Ben Simmons I'm actually nah I'm just trying to figure out and this is a

realistic question this ain't nah that's true I'm asking you and this ain't like without the hate or whatever you're a GM

and Ben Simmons is a free agent and let's just say let's use Portland for example let's just go Portland Portland and Utah.

Two teams is not really doing that well. Benford Simmons is a free agent. Do you want him? And if you do want him, what are you paying him? I'm not paying him anything. You hate him. Why you hating on Ben Simmons?

Why you hating on Ben Simmons like that? Let the GM talk. Let the GM talk. Let the GM talk. I was just wondering. When I'm speaking, I would tell Ben Simmons, his whole contract is going to be incentive-based from day one, or 10 days. After 10 days, because you know he check out every 11 days.

He'll play for a few days and then disappear. So I know the remedy that. I'm listening, Gio. Incentives every 11 days. I definitely will have him checked out too. I have him checked out. I think he got to check his brain out. What were you paying him?

I'm really not paying him. If he wants to be here, he got to prove that he wants to be here. You got to give him at least a veteran's minimum. what were you paying him? I'm really not paying him. If he wants to be here, he got to prove that he wants to be here. You got to give him at least a veteran's minimum. What's the veteran's minimum? I think it's 1.4,

1.2. I got 100 bands. I got 100 bands. Cash. Cash. With no taxes. A tax-free hunting band. I don't care who he's showing with.

Yeah, listen. He's going to have to show up with Rich Paul. I'm telling you. Rich Paul? He's not his agent anymore. Oh, he definitely. Then he might get half. He might get half of the hunting bands up front.

Yeah, listen, bro. And then the other one when he complete the 10 days I would not wire that money to his account so you're hating on him no I'm not I'm observing oh so I can't observe but you can I

whatever you doing I'm doing however you feel about it that's the same way I feel about it the question was doing, I'm doing. How would you feel about it? That's the same way I feel about it. The question was about these refs, how do we feel about it, right? And when it comes to these refs, it's almost like when people tell

you, I'm going to take... What they say when people mess up, they say, I take responsibility. I take responsibility. I don't like to hear that without a reward you know what i'm saying so when niggas say we saw this game we made this mistake and my bad it's almost like nah nigga can i tell you a story killer i don't think i ever told you

this story this is what this is what puff taught me one time I walked in when I was fresh off the streets I got signed to Bad Boy I had these fresh air nikes on and the nigga Puff had on air nikes too brand new I made a mistake and stepped on his sneaker and the dirt was on his laces on his white

ass I said man my bad cause I stepped in some dirt you know the nigga Puff came, because I stepped in some dirt. You know, the nigga Puff came back, put his feet in the dirt, and stepped all over my sneakers. I said, yo, what are you doing? He said, my bad.

I said, yo. that. The basic, the moral of the story is, nobody just want to hear you say you're bad. What it cost me, it got to cost you. So if it costs us a win, it should cost the refs a win. That's a good analysis a good analogy that was pretty good I would like to say that I do like it though I'm not gonna lie I do like that they admit

that they mess up I'm not gonna lie because it'd be crazy if we're looking at it in an instant replay and something goes out of bounds and the whole world sees it and this nigga like it didn't go out of bounds and you're looking at it in an instant replay and something goes out of bounds and the whole world sees it

and this nigga like, it didn't go out of bounds. And you're looking at it. Yeah. Look at him, look at him. So you, is this not out of bounds? No, it's not.

It's not out of bounds. You remember when you used to foul, they'd go like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah's not. It's not out of bounds. You remember when they used to foul, they'd go like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they'd go up to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly that way. Yeah, exactly.

The ref would run up to you and say, you ain't going to call a shot. You're going to block. You're going to block foul. He's going to stand right in front of you. Exactly. So I like the damn minute because when everybody knows what the call is, especially with this many cameras, this many replays, this many.

Pause, angles, man. Angles, pause, and not only that, it's repeated on show after show after show after show on the highlights. And you got one nigga still talking about, y'all ain't seeing what I'm seeing. No, we is, bro.all ain't seeing what I'm seeing. No, we is, bro. You ain't seeing what we seeing. So the fact that they are men,

and to answer your question, I do like it. Okay. In the comments, let us know how you guys feel about the refs in the NBA right now. We're going to go to break, and when we return, we will talk about Jason Tatum's comments to Doc in the All-Star Game. This thing abouts toxic Four years and counting

Got you feeling like a option Maybe I'm my own problem, babe She tired of hearing I don't know What's happening to me won't fall Dealing with this thing called trust But she really thinking about wanting to be free. Why am I in this one way? Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog fantasy picks

of the day. Tonight, the Lakers will play the Clippers. Underdog fantasy has LeBron James at 24 and a half points. Do you have him higher or lower Mace?

Higher, higher, higher. Clippers? Yes. You saw how he dunked on the goat last time. Definitely seen that. That was crazy.

Goat, you can't be letting this happen. I'm up here saying goat. Come on now. Definitely seen that. That was crazy. Highlights, yeah,

20. I'm going to go higher as well. I'm going to go higher as well. I'm going to go higher. Okay. Brian was looking like a young nigga pause on that play. Yeah. Okay, Anthony Davis is at 13 and a half rebounds. Do you have him higher or lower, Cam?

Lower. It depends on what outfit he comes in. Okay. If he's too much designer, he's probably he's probably going to have higher,

but I've no, I'm going to go lower. Okay. And Kawhi When you wear a lot of designer, you turn up. And Kawhi

is at four assists. Do you have higher or lower mace? Four assists Higher I'm going higher I know Cam is not going to go higher I'm going higher

Cold Cam I'm going lower Okay Download the Underdog Fantasy app And you can make your picks too Okay so during the All-Star game It's reported Jason Tatum told Doc Rivers to give Jalen Brown more minutes

because he wanted to see him get MVP. Did you guys think that this was a good gesture by Jason Tatum, or do you think he should have just kept the minutes for himself? This killer team. I mean, it's your team. I mean, this is your team. I mean, this is your team.

Ain't you from Boston now? No. No. Yesterday, you was from Boston. I said that Boston has the potential to take it all the way, but they are not my team. Got to make that very, very clear. And keep talking about Porzingis.

Let's see what he got to say. I feel what Taylor coming from. The nigga see what he got to say. I feel what Tatum coming from. The nigga who got MVP played for Doc. His player got the MVP. Damian Lillard plays for the Bucs.

Doc Rivers coaches the Bucs. So you're saying Doc is hating on Dame? I mean, hating on Jalen? I said what I said Jason Tatum is rooting for his teammate To get MVP Meanwhile Doc's player that he's coaching

Got MVP Doc trying to save his job Doc just got the job Two weeks ago I know he's trying to work off half of the 40 That's why he was letting them play. Answer the question is, I get niggas wanting their team

to, to teammate to get MVP or they to get MVP, but I said that shit the other day when we was talking about that shit. It's mighty strange how Damian Lillard got the MVP

as soon as Doc Rivers is coaching. You know, if I was... And I get it. There's rivalries among players in the All-Star game. Excuse me, but Tyrese Halliburton had a pretty decent game, too,

and he was home. You could have gave him some more minutes, gave him some more opportunity from the one MVP at home, considering he's having a pretty decent season I think everybody got their own secret agendas when it comes to the all-star game if you ask me everybody has a secret agenda and is motivated by their teammates and their coaches and the people that they're cool with and who you could get some camaraderie with while you're there if you're not

there with your coach another player from your team is lonely lets you cool with somebody when you're not playing basketball but at the end of the day I'm not mad at Jason Tatum for asking that was it realistic who knows grab the clipboard and do whatever the fuck they want to do these days

so it wasn't a reach for him to ask I totally disagree with Cam on this. When you think about Tatum, there's no, like this is what I mean about him being the guy to be the face of the league and to win the championship. Like, bro, you asking him to get MVP,

you should be getting MVP. And I'm not against Tatum, but this is the mindset I'm talking about. Yo, put him back in so he can get MVP. I thought you was the face of the league. Do anybody hear this? It's like Jordan doesn't ask, can you put Scottie back in so he can get MVP? No, Jordan allegedly, and I ain't going to gonna say allegedly you know what happened

what happened you know what happened I don't know a lot of shit happened which part you talking about the one you thinking I wasn't thinking anything I got

that's a great point I dig it but I just think and I totally agree with you but I just think my opinion is that All-Star game was so lackluster in defense that it was just so, yo, bro, I didn't even watch that whole shit.

Once it was like 100-something at halftime, I'm like, what is this nigga doing? Every play was a three-on-one, a four-on-two. Nobody was playing no defense. That shit was whack. I seen a lot of players after the game. Trey Young, Donovan Mitchell and everything. You know what they suggested? They

suggested that niggas get one of the niggas from Rucker or Kingdom or Dykeman to talk during the All-Star game while they're talking. This is Donovan Mitchell and Trey Young saying that maybe

that'll get niggas hyped when you got niggas talking while you bring the ball up. What do you think about that? That would be crazy. Yeah. Because then you would have to play. Yeah, because then you say, uh-oh. Here comes Ice Trey up the court. Here he is. Ice Trey the gang. Yeah. Ice Trey

the gang up the court. Uh-oh. It looks like Russell doesn't want to play defense. You know, when you do that, that was a great suggestion. That's why I wanted to get your opinion.

But that would put pressure on niggas to play power. Maybe. Who knows? Who knows, Bob? I'm not against that. Yeah, that's actually a great idea,

especially with social media nowadays, just to have those clips replaying and you're actually not doing well. Like, that would be a perfect solution. So also speaking of trying to find solutions,

there's discussion the NBA competition committee will begin looking into whether the game became too tilted to offense. Do you think that this should be looked into? And then what solutions do you think could be made? So not even just for all-star regular season games as well. Who said this? Joe Dumas? Well, just the NBA competition committee. So not even just for all-star regular season games as well. Who said this? Joe Dumas?

Well, just the NBA competition. I think it's time to let them play better defense for real. I mean, when you think of the game, because if you don't, it's going to be up to 300. And I think they're making it so friendly, so offense friendly that people are not being able to see people really compete because all you're really warring against is offense. But when you start allowing people to really play defense, they should be able to play in at least the playoffs. If you're not going to let it happen in the regular season, at least let the playoffs, let the teams win it. I used to love when refs say that. Well, today, fellas, we're going to let y'all win it.

I like that kind of game because then that means it's my will against his will. It's not the ref bailing him out because he's a star player or this player. We're just going to throw the ball up, and the winners are going to win. Yeah, I mean, it's not really hard to tell that the game is totally offensive-driven and it's too ticky-tacky on defense. You swipe the ball. Like, it disgusts me so much when the referees go over

to see if it's a flagrant foul on a regular foul. Like when somebody goes up for the layup and they're like, oh, wait a minute, let's go see if that was a flagrant. Flagrant two or flagrant three. You're like, bro, that shit was a regular foul. A regular hard foul. Yeah, I hate that shit. Like, yo, bro, why are we going to the scores table to see if a regular foul is and then sometimes they do say it's flagrant i'll be like what's flagrant about that that is not a

flagrant foul um and then the flopping became involved when you start just flopping around you know what i'm saying what i will say about the nba is that i do like that it has been less of that in the last year or two because they said they're finding them so they if they go back

and see that you're flopping they're going to find you so we haven't seen as much flops this past year and a half because

the NBA said alright we know what to do with you niggas if we go back we find niggas dirty racks yeah because y'all niggas flopping. Exactly.

That's true. I haven't seen nobody flopping this season. Yeah, because they getting fined for doing that shit. So, if they figured that out, I think that they could

figure out a way for the game to still be... You know, you want to see points. You want it to be action-packed, but you don't want it to be just letting it go to the basket

because you're scared that you'll get a technical or you'll get a flagrant foul or you'll get fouled out the game. It's just too fucking soft on defense and it's ridiculous. So I do hope that they fix it. Yeah, I do like that rule about

for the shooter letting them land, though, because niggas used to get crazy. Niggas was low bridging. Niggas was getting crazy with that. Yeah, I like that, too. So they had to put that in. So we're going to talk about Russell Wilson. He details his contract situation with the Broncos on I Am Athlete.

He said he got a call detailing he would be benched, but not because of play for the injury guarantee in his contract. They wanted him basically to delay the guarantee. And the Broncos never directly talked to him. All this communication was through his agent. So now basically in that sit down interview, he was opening up about it. What do you guys think about the way the situation was handled?

Wow. How much money did he lose with that? If he were to have gotten injured, his injury guarantee was $37 million. If he would have got injured? Yeah. So why didn't he get injured? I don't have an answer for that.

If you make, Larry, if you make make 37 million, if you get injured, is something wrong with you? Huh? Yeah, you're right. That was a great answer, Larry. Thank you, Larry. Larry, you surprised me, Larry. I owe you an offering for preaching that sermon, Larry. That was great, Larry.

Larry, you surprised me, Larry. There's some good in you, Larry. Larry said, as a man of God you right so God gotta bless you Russell Wilson God gotta bless you with 37 million for keeping it real that's a good that's a good thing so there are

some good Christians out there that was a good answer Larry Larry that was really profound Larry That was a good answer, Larry. Yeah, Larry. That was really profound, Larry. It's really about Russell Wilson versus Sean Payton. And it's looking like they're leaning more towards Sean Payton. We talked about this at the beginning of the football season. Them two niggas

wasn't getting along in training camp. Yeah, he told them, stop kissing the babies, right? 100%. Then they wasn't getting along in preseason. And it extended in through the season. Now, I believe Sean Payton is

at a point, and I don't know who their backup quarterback is or who's coming in next for us, but I would definitely say that he's over Russell Wilson. Sean Payton, that is. And it's just a tug of war between the coach and the quarterback. They both have a Super Bowl apiece. I think Sean Payton has a little more leverage than

Russell Wilson simply because he was the primary coach for Drew Brees all them years. And I know they only won one Super Bowl together, but Drew Brees' numbers were astronomical until certain people, whether it's Tom Brady or others, came

to pass his record. But in the last two years, he was breaking every record possible for a quarterback. So I believe Sean Payton goes into offices, a GM's office or the owner, and says, listen, when I have the right quarterback, you see what I do.

He's not getting on the same page. So I believe it's a tug of war between those two. So is Russell Wilson hurt? No. He's not hurt. They're supposed to give him $37 million for this upcoming season. If he were to get injured. How does that make sense? That was an injury guarantee

in his contract and they basically wanted him to push it back to a later date. So he's not, he had to get injured to get his money? How he's going to play if he's injured? Sounds like a good contract to me. Sounds like they don't want him to play. Yeah, they don't want him to play.

They want him to take the money and get it. Yes, exactly. Oh, I get it now. Because that's why I said the answer I stated. I was like, we want you to get the money. Get hurt. Well, if he doesn't get hurt, that's the question. How much money does he get if he doesn't get hurt?

That's the real question. And it may be more than 37. That's why they're saying, I don't know. They just need him out of there. Yeah, that's the real question. How much is it? Let's Google that so we know what we're talking about. Yeah.

What is Russell Wilson staying to make in the 2024-25 season? That's the real, real question. Yeah, because I thought he was supposed to make $37 million for that year. Yeah. So 2024, he's supposed to make $35 million. And then 2025, he's supposed to make $49.6 million. That's why they want him to take the $37. Get hurt.

Yeah. Get hurt and take the $37. Right, exactly. But like Larry said, he's a man of God. He can't lie. He need his 49 his 49

yeah at 49 yeah exactly that's the point yeah that's crazy like I said

we'll give you 37 not to play yeah we give you 37 and you go on as many trips as you like like I said I'm showing up

to all 17 of these games I need the 49 I'm showing up yeah you definitely showing up if all 17 of these games. I need the 49. I'm showing up. Yeah, you're definitely showing up. If you made about 400, 500 million, I meant 500,000 a game, you're showing up.

For a million dollars. It's more than that. Matter of fact, more than that. Yeah, if you get a 49 million, 17 games in a season, you're making over 2 million a game. Yeah. He's showing up. He's making about 3 million a game. He need to be at all the games.

17 times 2 is 34. Yeah. He's almost 3. Yeah. Almost 3 million a game. I'm showing up early. I'm going to be at the warm-ups. It's about 2.8 a game. I'll be up early. I'm going to be at the warm-ups. It's about two point eight a game.

I'll be there. Yeah. Stretched and falls and everything. Yeah, it's a fact. It's a fact. And then, sorry, just to add, so the 37 million injury guarantee for 2025 will become fully guaranteed in March.

And so he'll get that 37 if he's healthy or not, but that's if he remains on the roster by the March 17th deadline. Oh, so they doing everything in their power to get them out of there. That's sad. How much a year if they don't want people on the roster? It's a lot of variables with this that we don't really have. We're not,

we should have done some more homework before we talked about this because it's, it's a lot of variables. If you don't, okay, if you're on the roster and you don't get to 37, they cut you. How much do you get? That's, you know, it's a lot of questions that need to be answered.

So basically, because I'm getting it at the same time, they'll owe him $39 million. He's guaranteed this season, but keeping him, they would have a cap hit of around 90 million split over two seasons, and then the 37 million guaranteed for 2025. But that doesn't stay if he's cut by that March deadline.

Yeah, that's what I said. They got to get him out of there. According to Sean Payton, allegedly, they need him out of there. Y'all are not moving fast enough. I guess we'll wait and see what happens next for Russell Wilson. Okay.

And then last topic before we wrap, after some Miami Heat players face suspension after an altercation in the Heat versus Pelicans game, Jimmy Butler had a watch party for the game. What do you think about him hosting a watch party for the suspended players? I spoke to that nigga last night and he said he choked out Jimmy Butler, man.

Let me cook homey with that nigga. For real? We was together, wasn't we? Oh yeah, that's the guy that said he want to fight. Yeah, he said he want to tell Jimmy I want to fight.

Yeah, man. Yeah, and I was bugging out. I'm like, why is he calling us telling him I want to fight Jimmy? Yeah, he said he want to fight Jimmy Butler. That's what I'm telling him how he want to fight Jimmy? Yeah, he said he wanted to fight Jimmy Butler. That's what I'm telling him. Oh, yeah.

I called that nigga last night, man. I mean, Lenny called me last night and I didn't know what was going on. Yeah, I got upset. What's his homeboy name? Najee Marshall. He want beef. And then called me last night.

Put him on the phone. He's like, like yo tell your man I want the favorite I'm like I don't even have a relationship with hello I don't even have a

I'm trying to call a nigga now cause Jimmy he said he want he want the one on one fade yeah

plenty phone on the voicemail but um yeah having a watch party, why not? Look, you can't play. Ain't nothing else you can do. People make a news out of anything.

What else we want them to do? So what? He had a watch party. It wasn't a fight party. Yeah, good thing he's staying focused on the game and watching the game to know what's going on. He could have been getting wild wings.

He could have been at G5. What is it called? G5? Is that a club? Yeah, it is. Yeah, he could have been at G5. I know a little bit. Kill a little thing.

I know what's going on out here. It could have been a G5 getting lemon pebble wings. You know? He's still thinking basketball. Good point. Well, that's all the time we have for today. Thanks for watching. And as always, it is what it is.