IT IS WHAT IT IS - IS CAM NEWTON TAKING SHOTS AT KILLA CAM?! | EP.68

Episode Date: December 15, 2023

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along with your hosts, Mace and Cam. Killer, what's good? What's good, bro? How are you? Chilling, man. Sweatsuit is fire. Thank you, man. I appreciate it. You know, anything you want, go to dipsecouture.us. That, you as well. You co-founded at this point in the sense of

moving forward. So if you want to get anything on the site, you know, you got everything. These are samples. Like, so, I get a lot of stuff first because the samples come like a month before everything else. It is what it is. Samples

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It's going to be lit. Put my name on it. Okay, so let's get straight into it. It's going to be lit. Put my name on it. Right. Okay. So let's get straight into it. In response to the Lakers' in-season tournament celebration, Charles Barkley said, you don't do champagne for the in-season tournament. If they put that

in-season tournament banner up, I'm going to roast them on television. How do y'all feel about Barkley's warning? Who is Barkley to say how you celebrate a championship? Nah, let me stop. Shout out to Barkley, you know. But no, who is Barkley?

Nah, we just playing, you know. What did you play that you're not playing? Nah, Barkley's my guy playing you know what did you plan or you're not playing like nah Bogley's my guy you know but

but I I concur that you know but what do you drink what are you doing wine coolers

you know a Budweiser you know it's that like it's like I'm not gonna throw that on Charles, but you got to realize, I wouldn't say, listen,

and you know what makes me mad about us sometimes is that we use the same people to say who's the same type of people. Like we always like Kobe wouldn't do that. Michael Jordan wouldn't do that. It's a little about non-people who wouldn't do that. Would Jerry West do it? Jerry West wouldn't do that. It's a little about non-people who wouldn't do that. Would Jerry West do it? Jerry West wouldn't do that. Would Pat Riley do it?

No. No. Yeah, I'm just checking for reverse racism. Nah, nah. You hit yourself with this yesterday with your own reverse racism. I don't think that any older people would do it. But what you got to realize is, too, they didn't get a chance to play with an in-season tournament.

So we don't know exactly how you celebrate an in-season tournament because it isn't like Charles Barkley. It's not just Charles Barkley and Gayle King. They just invited us on their show, actually. I got a call yesterday and they was like, they want us to come on. We're filming that day, so I don't know if we could do Zoom or can't do Zoom or whatever. But we appreciate the invite, Sir Charles and Miss King. We don't know how to celebrate an in-season tournament.

It's the first one. You know what I'm saying? we don't know how to celebrate an in-season tournament. It's the first one. You know what I'm saying? What I will say is that Giannis looked mad the other day. I don't know if it was because

he didn't make it to the in-season tournament or not. But he got a, you know, he came out with Avengers outside of the little, you know, discrepancy fight that they had and everything else. I'm just saying,

it looked like he came to ball. And Charles Barkley is just from that era where, you know, you look at their show on TNT, which is one of my... Yeah, which is one of my favorite shows. Yes, yes. One of my favorite

shows. Shaq and the Fool. Right. Outside of Kenny Smith, Shaq and Chuck, your people are hard. Basketball players are hard time because they were so good. You know, Kenny Smith is a champion, two time champion as well. And he was he was super good, like really, really good. But, you know, Charles and Shaq were superstars. and Shaq was superstars. So they hold a lot of people to high expectations when the people that they try to hold to higher expectations

may not be as good as them. I'm not saying LeBron isn't. I think LeBron is better than both of those guys. And that's saying something because I think both of those guys were good. But you watch them, you know,

Shaq used to give Dwight Howard a hard time and Barkley say, well,kin used to give Dwight Howard a hard time and Barkley say, well, I would have dropped 50 if the rules were the same day, this, that, and the third. I wish somebody would. I would have dunked on it. You know, they hold people to high standard. To answer the question,

I don't know how you celebrate an in-season championship. Certain people will, certain people won't. I think LeBron wanted to make a statement. I think whenever the word championship is around, it's serious business. And to win the first one, I guess it was exciting for the Lakers. So what should they have been drinking? That's still the question.

What is it? Kool-Aid? Water? I don't know. Water? High C? That's a great question. I have't know. Water, high C? That's a great question. I have no idea.

I know one thing, you know, when you win a championship and nobody takes care of themselves more than LeBron, body-wise, pause. But when you win a championship and you drink champagne and smoke or whatever, you drink cigars or everything else, you usually don't have a game the next day. Yeah. You know, they had to go back

to work. For the summer. Yeah, you were for the whole summer, so they had to go back to work, if not the next day the day after that.

So, I don't disagree with Charles, but I don't agree with him either. I'm somewhere in the gray area. You're the expert

and people trust you to give their opinion. I think they should add a soda. So you're saying they shouldn't pop shit? Yeah, I agree with Barclay. There's not a lot

to celebrate. Okay. What'd you think, Stat? I mean, I feel like there is a lot to celebrate. It's the first ever. I always have a different opinion from y'all.

It's the first ever. So it's like, shout out to them. You trying to take your show off. Go ahead, Stat. No, I first ever. I always have a different opinion from y'all. It's the first ever. So it's like, shout out to them. You trying to set your show up. Go ahead and start. No, I'm not. I'm just saying like, I mean, what else are you, what are you supposed to use besides champagne? They're not going to take shots. Basically, what Mace is saying is this

championship isn't really that important to be popping champagne. And you got to go to work tomorrow. This is true. But at the same time, you know, it's a lot of things. I think the end season tournament was great. It's a lot of different variables.

I think we discussed them yesterday or the day before. Like you, you say you want the champion of the end season tournament to at least get the playoff spot, but then they may take the rest of the year off. Like, it was dope. I liked it a lot. I thought it was very exciting. Was it champagne worthy?

I'm stuck in the middle. I'm stuck in the middle. Well, let us know if you guys think it was champagne worthy. Give your comments in the comments. Okay. So we've talked about game managers managers before and Cam Newton dropped his. He said Dak Prescott, Brock Purdy, Tua and Jared Goff are game managers, not difference makers. Do you agree?

Hmm. Cam, Cam, Cam. Oh, you know, I like pause. I like Cam, but this statement is not accurate. I think Brock Purdy is definitely a game changer. I would even go on the limb, pause, and say definitely a game changer. The way he's playing this year, I think he's been left that game manager role a long time ago, probably like five games ago.

But I can see him saying that about Dak. But even Dak been playing really well as of lately. As of lately, Dak Prescott doesn't even seem like a game manager. But if you want to say who else is there that he listed? Tua and Jared Goff. Now I can I can go with that. Are they game managers

or they're not? Game managers. Tua? No, Goff. Oh. Goff. This sound like mad hate. I'm keeping it 100, man. It sound like he want his name don't keep it 100, man.

It sound like he want his name in the public. Yeah, this sound, Kim. And that's why I'm not giving it a lot of energy. This sound like a lot of hate, man. Listen, man. You got my name. Cut it out, man. I don't like that.

I don't like when haters are so... The hate don't look good on you. It don't look good, man. Listen, bro. You can say that about... Let's go down the list. You can say that at one time, maybe about Brock Purdy right now.

So is Brock Purdy, Dak, and who else? Brock Purdy is playing like an MVP right now. Who on Jared Goff? Everybody on that list is in the. Who on Jared Goff? Everybody on that list is in the MVP race outside of Goff. Yeah. Like, you know,

Tua may not be up there, but Dak is in the race, in the talkings at least. Yeah. And Purdy's definitely in the talking. I think he's trying to put himself back on the roster.

You don't do it like this. This is not how you do it. This is not the way you do it. You know what it is? You got to humble yourself a little bit. And Cam's not a humble type of person. He's very flamboyant. He's loud when it comes to dressing.

Nothing wrong with him. I'm loud. You know, I'm just saying, you know, this won't get you when you're 38 years old, a Joe Flacco call. We ain't hear nothing from Joe. You know what I'm saying? These are guys you may be backing up. Yeah, yeah. Exactly.

You know, from what Kim had talked about, I should have did this research before we came to work today. I should have did this research before we came to work today. He was saying that he was given a couple offers, but the money wasn't what he wanted. And he was like, I know my value. So they're not just going to give me what they want to give me. Cam, they'll give you what they want to give you. You can't just go take what you want to take.

And you haven't been playing for however amount of years. Look, I was a big, big fan of Cam Newton and I thought he was going to be a difference maker when New England got him because everybody's like, he shouldn't go to New England. It's a lot of pressure leaving right after

Yeah, I thought that was a horrible decision. Right, so I I thought that was a horrible decision. Right. So I thought it would be a great decision because niggas with the name Cam want the pressure for us. We want to prove people wrong. We want to sit there and say, oh, you think I won't be as good as Brady? Cool. He ended up playing a few games.

His accuracy wasn't there. He ended up playing a few games his accuracy wasn't there he ended up getting COVID and then that's when Mac Jones came and they let him go and he ended up going back to North Carolina for a minute didn't work out nah you can't do this to people who's playing

this good and I understand your frustration I totally get it that you're saying them niggas can't fuck with me right Right now, they're doing, they can. They can, you know. But we can't forget, you know, Cam's accolades and Cam had multiple

400-yard games. He's a league MVP at one time and been to the Super Bowl, then won the Super Bowl. Shout out to the TEC. Played in the Texas Eastern Conference before he went to Auburn. Shout out to all my people down there

in Navarro Junior College. He went to junior college down there before he went to Auburn. He has a lot of great accolades. And what happens is when you're in such great shape, and I think Cam Newton's in shape, that has nothing to do with being

an accurate quarterback. When you think you are in your brain, like I told Mason, I don't know if I ever shared this with you, I didn't really understand basketball until my heart wasn't in it. And when my heart wasn't in it, I could sit back and say,

oh, I was dumb for doing this, or I was stupid for trying to fight here, or that's the way you step into... Because you wasn't playing anymore. Yeah, not wasn't playing. My heart wasn't in it. That's the difference. And Cam isn't playing, but his heart may still be in it.

He's still in it. Yeah. So that's why I was making a difference. That's where the hate is coming from. It's in his heart. That's where the hate is coming from. It's hard. Well, also in response to the Complex top sports personalities list,

Cam also had something else to say. He posted on his story, Dear Complex, may this be the last year you guys don't acknowledge myself and my beautiful team. This is my Kanye, I'm going to let you finish moment. Congrats to everyone on the list. 2024, no one on this list seeing me love. So given that you guys are both on the list,

what do you guys think about Cam Newton's response? I'm not gonna go viral. Cam is from Atlanta. But it... That Cam's from Atlanta. Yeah, that Cam is from Atlanta but that cam's from Atlanta yeah that

cam is from Atlanta how do you say killer pocket washing pocket watching lead to air hustling

lead to pillow talking and leads to backstabbing that would be wired in my brain nah it's cause it's all real

Nigga pocket watching Now you wanna listen To see what's going on Then you go home And talk to your wife And she tell you some dumb shit She confirms She confirms your negative bias

Yeah exactly It's all visual If you think about it Now you ready to backstab a nigga That ain't do nothing to you. You want me to go? I got six. I ain't gonna wild out. I've been in the news all last three weeks.

I've been on every blog and everything last three weeks. Listen. The question is, a better question is, Cam, who should you be over? He said everybody on the list. He said everybody?

Yo, read one more time. I don't think Mace heard what he said. Like, read it one more time so Mace can understand. He said in 2024, nobody's seeing him. You ready for the quote? Yeah, let's do it. Dear Complex, may this be the last year

you guys don't acknowledge myself and my beautiful team. This is my Kanye, I'm going to let you finish moment. Congrats to everyone on the list. 2024, no one on this list seeing me. Love.

Yeah, he's talking about 2024. But what he's saying is, this is the last time, so this must be, it must have been before they made a list and he wasn't a part of it. You know, me and my- I know how you feel, you know, I definitely know

how you feel when you feel like you put the best work out there and then, you know, some young niggas come out of nowhere, get the award. They don't acknowledge you. But how many years they haven't been acknowledging Cam? I don't know.

I mean, I don't think he's been acknowledged. So since they started the list. Well, we're going to acknowledge you, Cam. We're going to acknowledge you. Acknowledge what? Really acknowledging that? What's the name of his podcast? The Cam Newton Show.

No. It's not. I don't know. Well, he's basically trying to say, he was saying you didn't know it. I didn't know it. I thought you would know it since you want to acknowledge it.

Nah, I mean... And no disrespect to Cam, I'm just, we're trying to get people to know. Yeah. This is what I'll say. All right, fuck it.

This is what I'll say. You want to play football or you want to do podcasting, bro? Like, yo, you just said that niggas is game managers two minutes ago and you was like, yo, niggas is game managers two minutes ago and you was like, yo, niggas is game

managers. So what I'm taking from that is if I was playing, I would be busting niggas ass. Boom. Stop there. Now you're saying nobody can fuck with you in the podcast world. And don't get me wrong, you can do both. The Kelsey brothers do both. You know, Draymond Green does both.

Paul George does both. Draymond Green does both. Paul George does both. A lot of people do both, but you hate them every which way you go. It's a problem in the NFL. It's a problem. In other words, stop playing with your name. That's what you said all over the place.

Put some respect on his name. I think it came. I'm not mad at you, but it sounds like hate. So maybe you want to do it a little differently. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm just advising you

because I'm pretty sure he'll say something about us. Like, who the fuck is y'all to know what I'm going through or what I'm talking about? Just some advice. It sounds like hate. And nobody wants to sound like a hater.

So, I wish your podcast luck. And I hope you do get it. I'd rather see you play football than podcasting to be honest with you, man. I always say you and it doesn't really look good for Colin Kaepernick, but

if they could go get Joe Flacco off the couch, it's no reason that you shouldn't be able to get a job out there. And I know you want a certain amount of money to go to work, but we are all getting older.

And I believe you're about 33 or 34. How old is Cal? 34. 34 years old. The clock, you know, Joe Flacco is 38. So you got a couple more years to try and get out there.

Hopefully I'll see you on the field before a podcast. That's what I would like to see. Okay. Set it here first. And no disrespect to Cam Newton because obviously you're doing a great job with your podcast,

but you didn't know the name he was set. Well, I've seen clips of it. I've seen clips of it. I either sat and watched it. So how do you know he's doing a great job? Because if the clips are circulating, I'm like, he got to be doing something good. He wasn't on the list. 2024.

That's what he said. So we got Trump, Biden, Kanye, and Cam Newton. 2024. A lot of things happened. All jokes aside, big shout out to Cam. Biden Kanye and Cam doing 2024 a lot of things happened alright all jokes aside big shout out to Cam

definitely okay moving along UFC fighter Colby Covington came for LeBron James in a speech saying if you hate America and don't like the country

that gave you one billion leave it go to China go to sweatshops that pay pennies on the dollar. F you, LeBron James. You're a spineless coward. A bitch.

Said a lot. Thoughts on his statements, especially if you were LeBron hearing. It sounds like everybody's just trying to go viral. Niggas say there's a lot of what you say, killer pocket watching. Yeah, yeah. I'm hearing it now. Pocket watching lead to ear hustling. Niggas that say There's a lot There's a lot of What'd you say Killer pocket washing Yeah Yeah I'm hearing it now Pocket washing Lead to ear hustling

Ear hustling Lead to um Pillow talking Yep And pillow talking Gonna lead you right here Backstabbing That's a fact man

And he's not even The heavy way He say And he's not even a heavyweight. And he said he put hands on LeBron. Basically. You know, basically, that's fucked up. That's hate. That's hate because... I know what that feel like.

Pause. Yeah, you know, I'm pretty sure we all do. Yeah, when you just doing so well, niggas want to fight you and you never even ask for a fight. And not only that, you're a fighter. Like, yo, you trying to start problems with LeBron. He's a basketball player. Nobody got time for a random UFC fight outside, my nigga. Nigga put you in the chicken.

When you think you're having a regular fight, like Kobe Covington, I forget which UFC fighter it was, got into an argument, then nigga tried to pop on the nigga, and the nigga ended up getting fucked up. You don't know who these niggas is. You go to Google and Google Kobe Covington, and he got on the red Make America Great hats again, American flags. Clearly, if not a Republican,

which I don't care if you're a Republican, Democrat, Independent, whatever, but if not a Republican, a Donald Trump... He's definitely conservative. Definitely Donald Trump supporter. And you know how Donald Trump feels about LeBron.

He throws a lot of shots at LeBron all the time. So maybe this will just be picking up from where Trump left off. He throws a lot of shots at LeBron all the time. So, maybe this will just be picking up from where Trump left off. But at the end of the day, follow LeBron.

Listen, man, I wouldn't even feed into this and keep security close. My God, LeBron may not even know what Kobe looked like. Yeah.

I wouldn't know what Kobe looked like if he didn't talk about it. He's trying to put his name with LeBron may not even know what Kobe looked like. Yeah. I wouldn't know what Kobe looked like. He didn't like he was trying to put his name with LeBron. You know. Yeah, I mean, LeBron is very smart, man. And what he feeds into and what he doesn't feed into. LeBron probably seen that shit and said, man, go ahead, B. The thing about it is, if you want to be mad at anybody, and this is no slight on anybody

be mad at your endorsements and the UFC for not you don't have a billion dollars like me said this is pocket watching at its highest form the most high the highest paid UFC

fighter that I know about was Conor McGregor. And no disrespect because I'm a big fan of Dana White, big, big fan of Dana White. But Dana White didn't pay Conor McGregor his highest pay ever. Floyd Mayweather made that happen for Conor McGregor. Good point. So a black fighter is what got Conor McGregor, which is in the UFC,

probably one of the, I don't know about today, but was the biggest star for years in the UFC. His highest paid fight, which wasn't even a UFC fight, came from a black man who's not even in the UFC

and is a boxer. Got him over $100 million. So as much as I love Dana White and as much as I fuck with the UFC, the checks that go to the UFC, they're not cutting no $100 million checks. A black man did that for a white man. Oh, okay.

So after the Lakers' in-season tournament championship and LeBron's MVP, Reggie Miller put up the idea that the NBA in-season tournament MVP trophy should be named after LeBron James. Do you agree with that idea? Everybody's here hustling right now. Yo, come on, Reg.

Reggie, come on now, Reggie. Is this how they do it? The first person that wins it, the trophy should be named after them? Is that how we got it? The first person that wins it The trophy should be named after them Is that how we got the Vince Lombardi? Is that how we got it? That is

Yeah, yeah, that is Okay Come on, come on my nigga This is a good point And I appreciate Reggie Miller, but sometimes it seems like they just be going for LeBron. I don't know. That's what makes me feel like I got to offer the other side pause,

but not in a hating way. I think maybe after... The LeBron James trophy. I think maybe... They wouldn't have called it the Halliburton Trophy. True, but Halliburton doesn't have the body of work that LeBron has either. So that's a great point. If you're going to name, I forget what you're saying,

Vince Lombardi, that he's the first person to win it. But LeBron James does have a great body of work. I think my opinion on this is if I'm going to judge between you and Reggie, I say this. I say temporarily name it something else and when LeBron stops playing, you can name it the LeBron

James Trophy because nobody wants another person's name. Let's say somebody wins it and LeBron's still playing. You know, we from Harlem, I'm already thinking wins it and LeBron's still playing. And LeBron, you know, if we from Harlem, I'm already thinking about slick shit. That's a good point.

Yeah, I'm already thinking about slick shit if I'm from Harlem and I'm LeBron. Like, they can stop my name and they house and all that. If I'm still playing, like, he's a bunch of slick shit you can still say why you're not playing. I don't know what the temporary name would be,

but I think it'd be a great idea when LeBron's not playing. I don't know what the temporary name would be, but I think it'd be a great idea when LeBron's not playing. Because there's just too much shit he can say while he's still playing that you got the LeBron James trophy.

I'm not mad at that moving forward once he's out there being. We're going to go to break and when we return, we will talk about the Suns' Big Three debut. Four years of counting Got you feeling like an option Maybe I'm my own problem, babe She tired of hearing I don't know

What's happening to me won't fall Dealing with this thing called trust But she ain't really thinking bout it She wanna be free thinking about free. Why am I in this one? You might be free. Hell, I don't want to see her walk away. I wish somebody told me the rules. Disagreements let her win. Then it's cool. Even when I'm right to say.

Welcome back. So let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day. Tonight, the Lakers will play the Spurs. Underdog fantasy has LeBron James at 27 and a half points. Do you have him higher or lower, Mace? Oh, it's lower. Okay. Lower as well.

Victor Wembanyama is at 12 rebounds. Do you have him higher or lower, Camp? Lower. Lower. Lower. Okay. And Spurs point guard Jeremy Sohan is at nine and a half points. Do you have them higher or lower? Higher.

Higher. Okay. Make sure to download the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too. Okay. So the Phoenix Suns finally had their big three debut with Katie, Devin Booker, and Bradley Beal, with Booker dropping 34 points, but they still lost to the Nets 116-112. How do you feel about the trio? This was horrible.

I mean, this is starting off for real. Even though they just got back together, if there was any team to not lose against, this would be it. You know, I don't want to hear about it as early in the season. I know we said that before. It's like, man, we've been waiting forever for this team to get together. You can't lose to the Nets. Not Ben Simmons, I know. For real.

This is unacceptable. This is unacceptable. I was about to say unapologetical. Make up a word. This is unsomething. This is unsomething. This is unsomething for real. What you mean Ben Simmons and who? Ben Simmons.

Ben Simmons. What you mean Ben Simmons? Ben Simmons is on the Nets, right? Is he? Is he? Is he really? Is he really on the Nets? That's what I'm saying.

When I think of the Nets, I know they got Mikael Bridges in them. But, you know, they got to change that up, man. Don't ever say Ben Simmons and nobody until further notice. We don't know where that nigga's at. He's not even on the do not play list. He's not on the roster of not playing or nothing. When I go to the stats to check on his shit, he's not even

up there for like coaching decisions. Who is his agent? You're rich. You got paid. I would lay that out there. You got paid. Yeah, me and you got paid. The reason I think this is not the team to lose to, agreeing with Mace, but for a different reason,

is that this is the team that niggas made the trade for. You know, when Kyle Bridges, he was with the Suns. And KD was with Brooklyn. And, you know, this is the team and Bridges and them is like, yeah, y'all wanted to get rid of us for these niggas, huh?

Yeah. So this was, as much as it was probably getting the chemistry together for Phoenix, this was probably, I won't say emotional game, but kind of a like,

yeah, this is who y'all wanted and got rid of me and sent me to Brooklyn for these niggas. And I'd still do it tomorrow. I'd still go grab KD tomorrow. But at the end of the day, Bridges and them was probably like, yeah, let's win tonight because they got rid of them for KD.

It's going to take some time, man. Bradley Bill. Which time pause you need with that kind of firepower, for real? No, what I'm saying is this. We was sitting here shitting on the Clippers when James Harden got there. And then that last, I think in their last 11 games, the 8 and 11. So sometime it may be some chemistry. Remember we were sitting there saying,

damn, who's going to come off the bench? Should it be James Hart? Should it be Russell Westbrook? You know, we was giving them really hard time the first six, seven, eight games they lost. But since then, they're about 70 or 80% winning, winning on their behalf.

Yeah, but I agree with you, Mason. Time is running out. It's about to be Christmas. Not only Christmas, it's about to be New Year's. So their clock is a little shorter than what the Clippers had. But the only reason I won't count them out is because what the Clippers been doing lately. And we'll see what happens.

Because, look, this was my pick to go against Denver in the Western Conference Finals. The way it's looking, the way, especially the way Minnesota's looking, the way Dallas is looking, even the Lakers to a certain extent I may be wrong about my Western

Conference pick, but we do have some time. If we if they don't turn it around by all-star break, then we need to be concerned. Right now, where do you have the Suns? Fifth place? Sixth place? What's on the standings or what I think?

In your brain. I passed Denver. They're certainly not past Minnesota right now. You're right. Absolutely right. I don't know if I'll put them out of the Clippers the way the Clippers have been playing right now. You got them past the Lakers?

I wouldn't say right now. No, I wouldn't. Because the Lakers, the more the Lakers play, the more chemistry they're getting together. So that's four teams. So they're fifth. Maybe so. Maybe so.

Gilbert Arena spoke about Pistons rookie Asar Thompson and said, you're 20 turning 21, averaging 10. You're not in my future. Do you think that's not enough to give the rookie props? Well, why did he say that? Did he say some slick shit about Gilbert Arena's first? Well, no. I mean, All-Star Thompson has been in a lot of conversations

of like rookie of the year, like with Wemby and Chet, Jaime, Derek Lively. Gotcha. I mean, he got a point because he could tell. And I always try to give the objective view. If you look at his stats, I think he's right there where Gilbert was in his rookie year. Gilbert wasn't past that in his rookie year. I mean, he went crazy after that.

He went agent zero after that. But first year, he's right there. I don't know Gilbert's stats. That sounds like you know something. Sounds like you went and did some homework on Gilbert. Gilbert Arena's first year. I just thought about it. I mean, his rookie year wasn't crazy.

We know that. But after that, he started going crazy. So his rookie year, just to go off what May says, yeah, he was averaging about 10 points per game, two rebounds per game, three assists per game. So the guy is actually playing better than Gilbert in his rookie year. Actually, yeah, because Asar is averaging eight rebounds per game, two assists per game, 10.5 points per game.

Just more rebounds, but it's about the same. Gilbert's family, but I I gotta tell the truth Gil yeah from the stats we just read from stat and from what Murda said he don't pace to be just like you so if he keeps it up he'll have a great career

like Gilvish Arenas did but I didn't know that that was great homework Mace that was really good homework that's why you got me here. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Thanks, Bert.

Shout out to Gil, though, man. Shout out to Big Gil. Shout out to the young boy. What's his name? Asar Thompson. And actually, he has been playing pretty great because he's second leading rookies in rebounds after Wemby, and they're not even nearly the same height.

And he is on the Pistons. I know. Oh, I knew it was a catch. No hate to Detroit, but like he's doing what he can with the team. So I'm going to give him his props. Yes, I'm going to give him his props because he plays really well defensively,

which is not something that we see often. Okay, moving along. We got to talk about the honest exchange with the Pacers. As we know, he got an adhered exchange with the team because he didn't get the game ball. The Pacers argued they took the game ball and brought it back to the locker room to give to their rookie, Oscar, who scored his first shot.

So my question to you guys is, who should have got the game ball? Giannis for getting his career high or the rookie who got his first shot? Giannis wanted the game ball for Damian Lillard because Damian Lillard passed Kyle Culver for fifth all-time in three-point shots. So Giannis said he didn't even want it for himself. He wanted to give it to Damian Lillard.

I get it to Indiana that they wanted to give it to the person who scored their first shot. I think the person with 64 points decides where the game ball goes, if you ask my personal opinion. They said they gave Giannis a game ball. Giannis was skeptical and said it wasn't the game ball. It was a stunt double. Get basketball. It was a stunt double.

Get basketball. Look, man, at halftime, when you go in your locker room, you really don't even know if that's the same ball from the first half. You get the basketball, you dribble it, you figure out which one is most comfortable. You could tell. Paul was about touching the ball. He knew that wasn't the game ball.

I'm going to overrule that. You touching the ball. I'm going to overrule that. You've been touching the ball. I'm going to overrule that. That was a little crazy. You said he could touch it and know what time it is. You've been cool all week. Giannis said he know my touches. Giannis said he nobody touches. Giannis said.

Listen, man. I ain't going to argue with Giannis about knowing if it was the game ball or not knowing it was the game ball. I think it's all just ridiculous, personally. You write your signature on it. You put it in a glass case. You move house to house and you end up not being in the same city

that you started in, the ball gets lost unless you got somebody who's really going to take care of your memorabilia. Outside of that, this was nonsense. The way Giannis was running around and his brother wanted to fight niggas and sprinted to the locker room and came back. It was definitely personal.

I think this had nothing to do with the game ball. This was more about the Pacers beating the Bucs in the in-season tournament because there's no reason to be poking Halliburton in his damn chest like that. That was just... Yeah, asking him to

meet you in the hallway and all that. This wasn't about no... This was not about no game, boy. You can sit there and say it was or it wasn't. This was about them niggas sending y'all niggas home and y'all didn't realize that the end-season tournament was going to turn up to where it turned up at. There's no way in the world

Giannis just comes out and scores 64 like that on the niggas who just sent him home. This was a vendetta. This was, to me, this was a vendetta. So as far as everything else, this shit was stupid if that's what it was really about. I'd rather niggas say, I don't fuck with them.

I don't like them. They sent us home. So I got an attitude with them the rest of the year until further notice. Well, through it all, shout out and congratulations to Dame for becoming

the fifth all time in three points made. That's super dope. So congrats to you. Big shout out to Dame. After the exchange though, a little bit more about it. Tyrese Halliburton tweeted a Dr. Seuss meme saying,

the cap on this app. So just in general, after the in-season tournament, a lot of eyes we know are on the Pacers. Do you guys feel like they're getting a lot of unwarranted hate or do you think it's going to make them better on the court? What do we think about the Pacers right now? Well, this is going to actually help them to be a better team because they're going to have to perform. When you start going online and trash talking,

you definitely got to come to play. But it doesn't seem like he's been short of any great games. So I think it's going to really hurt, I mean, help them. And Giannis poking them in the chest just started that. And I like the fact that he at least said something back. Nigga wanted to go Dame time the other day. Yeah. That's what all this is really about.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, I forgot he went Dame time. This is really what this is all about. This isn't really about the game ball. Who said this? Who said that? Pacers was showing off. Pacers,

nigga, Halliburton, nigga, game time, nigga, nigga's like, word, because even Damian Lillard,

afterwards, he said, enjoy the moment. You know, you have to remember these are moments and you want to show off and join them because I had a lot of great moments.

So people tend to forget because we don't remember yesterday, but it was just last week when Halliburton was Dame timing niggas. And Giannis pretty much, I'm pretty, I don't know for a fact, but if my nigga murder and we playing ball and he had a signature move and nigga got the best of our team and they did, if this was murder signal and we

playing ball and nigga got the best of murder and did this, I'm like, nah, we play him next week. I'm going to go crazy on them next week. It's like, that would be my attitude. Not saying murder can't handle his own business Like, that would be my attitude. Not saying murder can't handle his own business, but that would be my attitude

if I was in Yonis. We definitely want. Yeah, if I was in Yonis' shoes, I'm like, world, niggas trying to take murder shit? Calendar?

Say less. 70 on them niggas. Yeah, it don't matter if it's a home or a way game. Yeah, exactly. So that's what I think

this is more about than anything else. Definitely. Okay, we're gonna go to break and when we return, we will talk about the Timberwolves versus the Mavs. Pink horsepower. She call this thing about toxic. What's happening, baby? Baby, what's happening?

Why you walk in like that? That's how I walk. And then like, you come on breathing on me like that. I fucking breathe to live. And, like, you used to be dark skinned, and now you act like hella light skinned. You fucking blind? I'm dark skinned. What the fuck? And then, like, look at your beard. The fuck is wrong with my beard?

Your beard looks stupid. What the fuck are you talking about? No, I don't even like it. The way you breathe in, all of that. Has this ever happened to you? Your girl seems to be mad, angry, upset. She's frustrated. There's only one way to handle that. Pink Horse Power. No, no, no, no, no. I'm just trying to give you a massage. Plus, have I told you how good your beard looks lately?

It looks so good. No! It looks lately. It looks so good. No. PHP. It works every time. Wait, where are you going? Welcome back. So the Timberwolves beat the Mavs 119 to 101. Luka dropped 39 points, but it still wasn't enough. Thoughts on the Timberwolves' win?

I think the Timberwolves are serious. I think it's time to start taking them serious. Realistically, the way they're playing, even when Ant-Man is out, they're still looking like they've made it their business to win games and win against people that they're definitely going to have to beat moving forward. So I know Ant-Man didn't send me my sneakers yet. No, I talked to Cecil not to cut you off.

Oh, he did? He said you gave him a Georgia address. I did. Why you ain't tell me that, man? But you trying to get more than you trying. You trying to go by my back. Definitely did. You trying to go by my back again.

I was ready to give you my sneakers. I gave him your size today, Stat. Wait till though so he can send some more. But, Cho, you didn't tell me that. I didn't get an alert that they came. Pause. But yesterday,

you know what you, the address you gave the nigga? I know, but it never, it never showed up. You ain't been there. That's crazy. I was going to give the nigga

my sneakers. And you got up here talking about, I'm a sucker. This nigga's a sucker. I tell you everybody, my bad. He texted me my bad he texts me today and he

and he corrected me he is an agent that just won an award he's not like an agent he is an agent and he just focuses he focuses more

on marketing for his clients so sorry Cecil for the misrepresentation and back to and back to the the Timberwolves. I mean, they got one of the best logos,

so winning would actually help their brand. So I hope they start winning more. The logo? The logo? What the logo? Wolves. 40 Wolves. I like the Wolves.

You know, I'm from 40 Wolves. We from 40th Street. I definitely like the logo. That's where I was going. wolves. We from 40th Street. So I definitely like the logo. That's where I was going. Well, Gaucho's had a tough logo, too. I like Gaucho's logo. Riverside logo wasn't all that. Yeah, the hawk.

Oh, it was the hawks. You're right. I like the life the best. Purple and yellow gang was crazy. Purple and yellow gang was crazy. Yeah, Mesa's 100% right. was crazy. Bourbon and Yellow Gang was crazy. Yeah, Macy's 100% right. Because, you know,

it's one of them things where you look at the standards and you're like, okay, it's early in the season. The Timberwolves are in first place. But they've been in first place for about two weeks now. They've been in first place for a little minute.

And I remember thinking when they acquired Rudy Gobert and already had Cat called Anthony Towns, I'm like, who think they putting the Twin Towers together? What is the GM over there doing? And it ended up being, it really does. It looks really good on the court. Like I said, I was saying to myself that

in the preseason, they didn't lose any games and they had a rough start, but it seems like it's panning out. It really does. And with people, and I've talked about it before, he's so under the radar and not talked about a lot

since years ago when he got that big contract, but as far as a floor general and a pure point guard, a pure not talked about a lot since years ago when he got that big contract. But as far as a floor general and a pure point guard, a pure point guard, I would put Mike Conley right underneath Chris Paul as being one of those pure point guards. Not the new,

not John Moran. Not the new age hybrid. Yeah, exactly. Not John Moran. A shooting guard and a point guard. Yeah, Russell Westbrook. If you're talking about pure floor general, I would have to put, he has years of experience,

and he's not a spring chicken. You put him before Pat Bev? Yes. I just laughed. Shout out to Pat Bev. Not on defense, though. If I need a defensive specialist Pat Bev's at the top of my list

but as far as a pure point guard in the NBA who do you think is a pure point guard I'm not talking about Trey Young and niggas gonna shoot from half court I'm talking about a floor general cause you know they salute Chris Paul so much for that and him and Mike Carley got the same

amount of rings who is a pure point guard outside of those two that you could think of because I'm just trying to think off the top of my head as well instead if you know he's not really pure like not really pure like you know one of them

those go through like, you know, like he's a point guard position. I'm talking about a pure point guard, a floor general, what they like to say. I think that's what Mike Conley is right under Chris Paul. And he doesn't get mentioned a lot, and I think he's a key part of this Minnesota team. As far as Dallas, look, Dallas is always good at this time of year.

I got, we got some friends over there in Dallas that actually told him this today. You know, I said, y'all guys are playing good, but you always play good in December. I said, you know, the key is to play. Yeah, the key. You know, they start going down at like the end of January,

year after year after year, the record gets worse and worse and worse. Right after All-Star break. Yeah, so, I guess I was talking to a friend of mine who works over there, and I told him that. I said straight up,

y'all always good in December. Y'all, we have to see how good you're going to be in February, March, and of course, April. So, it's early. They look great. We got to realize Kyrie is also April. So it's early. They look great. We got to realize Kyrie is also hurt. He's not playing. We have to take that into account.

Yeah, that makes sense then. Yeah, we have to take that into account as well. But I think Dallas looks really good when Kyrie is there as well. The Nuggets. These are two teams that may be sleepers as well, as we was naming our top five teams in the Western Conference. We can't, of course, we got Minnesota up there, but we can't sleep on Dallas and Minnesota,

maybe in the semi-conference finals when it's all said and done. Not the semi-finals. I said the semi-conference finals, so meaning the top four teams in the Western Conference. They won't make that? Not Dallas. They got to get a big man. Dallas was there.

They just beat Phoenix a couple years ago when Phoenix just went to the championship the previous year. You know, Luka killed them niggas and sent them niggas home. So it isn't far-fetched like they won't make it there. They've been there. Denver. Mm-hmm. Mm. And you forget-hmm. Mm.

And you forgetting Sacramento, man. Even when we do our top four. Well, Sacramento has kind of been stinking it up a little bit lately to me. They haven't been playing as good as they've been playing at the beginning of the season. Notice we had a top four, and we didn't even say Golden State. Golden State's been stinking it up. Yeah. You know, we don't know when Draymond's coming back.

Clay Thompson, we're over here trying to – What's up with Draymond, man? Yeah. Yo. What's up with Draymond, man? What's up with Draymond? What's up with Draymond Yo tell Tell Rich Paul

That I'm gonna start Counseling this team man for real Yo nigga look at me Like I knew what was up with the nigga I don't know what's up with the nigga I don't know what's up with the nigga Yo He said it was an accident

He said he was trying to sell it. He flares his arms a lot. It was an accident. Yeah. So, but what are the top four teams that you were going to name or who? Denver? Denver. Who else?

Who else? Oh, man. We want to say the Suns. Then you got... Who else is in the West? That's looking... Well, I'll read the standards to you as they are real quick because I just pulled them up.

I'll read 1 through 12 because it's important. You got Minnesota. Minnesota's first. Oklahoma City Thunder are number two Denver Nuggets are number three Dallas is number four the Lakers are number five

Sacramento's is number six Houston Rockets are number seven the Clippers are number eight New Orleans New Orleans Pelicans

are number nine the Phoenix Suns are number ten and the Golden State Warriors are number eleven right now the Golden State Warriors are number 11. Right now, the Golden State Warriors are not even in a plan if it started today.

And Draymond's out indefinitely. We're sitting here when it comes to Klay Thompson. We're trying to compound stats to get him what underdog fantasy a clean bet. We're trying to gather up 22

or something. Points, rebounds, assists, and steals to get 22. Come on, Clay. They're playing with your name, Clay. Exactly. So I don't think this is going to turn out good for Golden State. I love watching Golden State, so I hope it does turn around

because they're a very exciting team to watch when everything's going well. But looking at this list and who's playing well, it doesn't look good. Who put the Lakers in the top four? You still haven't, you only named two people so far. You said Denver and the Lakers.

I said Denver, the Lakers, Minnesota, and Denver, the Lakers, and the Suns. Okay. I mean, I'm not going to go against the Suns because that's what I picked in the beginning. But God damn, they five games out and they in the final spot if the plans start today.

Bradley Beal is back. We'll see how that works out. It may take some time for them to get back, not back, to gain some chemistry. If I had to pick the final four right now, tough, man, because the Clippers are doing well. Phoenix, we need to gain some chemistry. The Lakers are looking decent.

Minnesota, all right, let me stop being around the Bush. I'm taking Oklahoma City Thunder out of there because they're number two right now. And that may not be fair. Shout out to Oklahoma City Thunder. Yeah, so how are you going to put Dallas in there? This is something I'm taking them out.

Right now, if we want to be technical, Dallas is number four if we're being technical. If we're going to be technical, number four. It is December. I'm just telling you.

Tell me this at Christmas. I told you. I told that nigga from the Ma you didn't say Christmas I said I told you I told that nigga From the Mavericks That today I said that already Huh?

That's what I said You put him in it I put him in Put him in it You didn't Mace just switched up The whole shit He said Sacramento

I told him in six down Sacramento ain't in the Convo no more He just said Sacramento I said Yeah we can't forget About Sacramento I said they in six now, Sacramento ain't in the convo no more. It just says Sacramento. I said, yeah, we can't forget about Sacramento. I said, they're in six now. They're not in yet. They're not in yet.

Final four. Things change, you know. In three 30 seconds. All right, so my opinion for the conference finals real quick. I don't know if I want to put Minnesota in there for the conference finals because when the playoffs come, if you don't have a I want to put Minnesota in there for the conference finals because when the playoffs come, if you don't have a lot of playoff experience, winning playoff experience, it matters.

It took a while for Golden State to get over the hump, to beat San Antonio, to end up going to the championship. They may go out in the first round. Who knows? And man said he got to win the championship so he can go and play football. That's what he said. You're absolutely right. Yeah.

If I had to guess today, and this may be just going off the name, man, I could be totally wrong. I'm going off the names right now. I'm going with the name. I'm going with the superstars. You're going with the names, you know. I'm going with Phoenix Suns. I'm going with the superstars. You're going with the name. I'm going with Phoenix Suns. I'm going with the Clippers.

I'm going with Denver. I'm going with the Lakers. And it's hard between the Lakers and Dallas. Pause. I don't know who I want, but I'm going to go with, I want to see KD and LeBron

and Kawhi and the Joker. So that's what I'm going with. This is what I want to see. Well, I definitely can't wait to see KD and LeBron and Kawhi and the Joker. So that's what I'm going. This is what I want to see. Well, I definitely can't wait to see what happens and if you guys' picks are correct. Okay. Lastly, the Grizzlies lost to the Mavs 120 to 113 and Luka decided to hand a Grizzlies fan a towel

for his tears when he was crying about the refs. How do you feel about Luka's actions? The Disney assassin is serious. What country is Luca from? Them niggas over there. Them niggas is niggas. Yeah, I don't want to say the wrong country because, you know, they be beefing.

Slovenia. Yeah, them Slovenian. Y'all niggas over there. Slovenia. Them Slovenian niggas say, yo, take your time, stop crying. They ain't told a nigga. I'm like, shut up. I'm busting your ass, nigga.'all niggas over there. Slovenian. Them Slovenian niggas say, yo, take your time, stop crying. They ain't told a nigga, I'm like,

shut up, I'm busting your ass, nigga. Like, niggas crazy. You know, we was watching my man Otani get his 700 million contract today.

They did the press conference with the Dodgers and I ain't even know Otani can't speak English. He grabbed 700 mil, can't even speak a lick of English. Shout out to that nigga. Came in, didn't even speak English. So, you know, what's funny is that when I was watching that,

Otani, what is translated, I said, look, think about this. Giannis couldn't speak this much English. The Joker couldn't speak that much English. The Joker couldn't speak that much English. Luka couldn't speak that much English. So a few people came over and learned English very quick as opposed to us going somewhere else to try and learn their language. And I was saying to myself,

Otani, about this time next year, tell the Empire, fuck out of here. But as far as Luka, that nigga's a nigga, man. They got some shit going on over there in that country to where they act like niggas from America. Bust your ass. What the fuck you crying for? Here's a towel. We'll see what the next thing he pulls off, but

I like it. You know I'm with all that. I'm with all the antics. I'm with everything that's antic-related, especially when you're good. Especially when you're good. Okay, well, that's all related, especially when you're good, especially when you're good. Okay. Well, that's all the time we have for today.

Thanks for watching. And as always, it is what it is. Like when they doing them two for five.