IT IS WHAT IT IS - IS JALEN BRUNSON A TOP 5 POINT GUARD IN THE NBA?!

Episode Date: March 2, 2026

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Hit that subscribe button, lock in your bonus and start playing today with code. It is what it is. I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your host, Mace. And Cam. Kelly was good. Well, you are, man. Look like you're in, look like you're in NASA right now. And in a whole other galaxy, man.

It looked like it, man. You might have left. You know what's crazy. I told Mesa the war started. He ain't even know. That's how you know. He didn't even know that the war started. All that.

Yeah. I had to go in the galaxy. in a dome, a literal dome. Yeah, I had to go in the tunnel, yeah. Nah, but that's crazy, man. Killer called me. I was thinking that was wild, man. Yep.

It's wow. Yeah, there's definitely a lot. How are you doing, stat? I'm good. You guys aren't here. The zoom out. Oh, look at you. The zoom out.

Look at you. Look at looking. Yeah. It's okay. I'm going to be honest with you. Ken was scared to get on the flight. And Mace co-signed it. He said you left that part out.

Yeah. He co-signed. Yeah. I said, I don't know right now. I wouldn't try it. I wouldn't try it. Yeah, I ain't going to lie. I don't like what I'm seeing on the news.

I have to fall back. Yeah. Safety is important first and foremost. Always so a. It's okay. Okay. So we're going to start with basketball. You know, Sin always says we don't talk about the Knicks.

We're going to start with the Knicks. The Knicks snapped the Spurs 11-game winning streak with a 11-89 win. So, Mace, do you think the Knicks are more dangerous than people are willing to admit. No, we're not going that far as that. You're trying to get them credit, but we're not trying to go that far.

I don't think they're that dangerous. I think, you know, it's one game, you know, just like if they were the loss, he would say it's one game. So why should I make it more than one game? Yeah, you beat San Antonio, but you didn't, you didn't beat them twice in a row.

You didn't beat the pistons twice in a row. you didn't beat the pistons twice in a row. You didn't blow Boston out, pause twice in a row. So I can't say they're dangerous. This is the Knicks that we normally see. They might show up. They might not.

And I'm just not willing to put my money on it. History says, not May says, not killer said, but history says that the Knicks, you know, might not be there when it really counts. So are you ready to throw away 70 years of history stat at this point

because of one game one game make you dangerous if you've been you know tanking for the last hundred years or so I'm not ready to say that yet I'm just I'm not ready to say that not tanking but you know

every time it really counts I remember one year they could have beat Avery Johnson and them man they had Stefan Marbury Stefan Marbury promised us that they will win the championship.

That was the last straw for me, Cam. I don't know when the last draw is for you, but that's Stefan Marbury against Avery Johnson. I said, we won't win this one, man. I don't know which one we're supposed to win, man. It was a lockout year. You didn't have to play all the year, you know? What's the issue here, man?

And between that and Spreewell, choking the coach, I, you know, I don't know which year I just really lost it. Even though that was a different team. Yeah, I'm about to say each me, I'm a golden state murder. But I feel you. Don't get me, I don't feel you, vibes, pause. I feel you. But listen, this is what I will say.

I know y'all think we hear the rain on the next parade. Singh called me and said, so can we get some light today? I said, I said, I got to look at the topics. I've seen. People are thinking, I'm going to hate because the Spurs is my team. This is what I'll say. It's this. It was a great win.

After the second quarter, the Knicks went on like a 26 to 2 run, some type of crazy run, 24-2 to end in the second half, and the Spurs never could come back. But you've got to realize this. And like I said, I don't want to rain on Nick's parade. It's a great win. The Spurs didn't lose in the month of February.

There's on a lot of February. They're on 11-game winning street. So they was going to lose. They've been on the road. They beat Detroit. It was a great win from Knicks, but, you know, they're on 11-game winning street. Spurs look damn good. They're the best team in the NBA right now.

But for some reason, I will say this. The Knicks seem to have the Spurs number. They also beat the Spurs in the Cup. You know, we don't talk about that a lot because of the thumb-up of nigger ass pause took away from that. You know what I'm saying? but they actually, they actually beat the Spurs. I think the Knicks, one of these situations where they say styles make fights,

I think the Knicks have the Spurs number, but they're not in the same conference. So they only play each other twice a year. But congrats to the Knicks. I think the Spurs are on the outstanding run right now, Vassel, Castle, Fox, Wembe. This is the team for the next 10 years to watch. These players are young. I would make sure they're locked in. and I don't know if it's going to happen this year, probably not this year, next year,

but guaranteed the year after next, the Spurs are going to start it to be a dynasty. My words on that. But right now, back to the next, congratulations, but what makes said it best towards that? What do we expect? You turn it on when you want to, you turn it off when you want. But what do you want us to do? And I agree with Mesa on this one too. If Cincinnati, if they were the loss, it's just a game.

You always talked to last year Yeah, last year When Cleveland finished in the first place Y'all was talking about Cleveland And this time and third When it's good for Clinton is good for seven AK.A. the Knicks fans, when it's not, it's not, man. But I will say this.

It looks like y'all look good against the Spurs. Let's see y'all do it against the rest of the NBA Specifically the Eastern Conference being in the third place. We picked y'all to go to the finals at the beginning of the season. We didn't think Detroit would have to surgeons. We didn't think Boston would be with that.

We thought the Knicks would be in first place all the way through the season and make it to the NBA finals. That's what I said in the beginning of the season. Now, you're already making us look crazy. The one time we jump out the window in 30 years, because Tatum isn't playing. Because with the hell, he ain't planned. We see them dismantled. Basically, y'all are taking credit.

their Knicks fans and the Knicks for dismantling the Celtics, Hartford is in the year. We got rid of Hartford. Y'all said Drew Holiday was great and Drew Holiday ain't even there. We don't know where Drew Holiday at. Poisengis is gone. Boston's the second place. So congratulations on yesterday's win, but this is what you're supposed to be doing

and a urge to get to the NBA finals because this is the year. Like I said, Murder, I don't know why we're doing it to our self-pause, but what are we going to do? What you're going to do? Because James Hardin, I think they only know us one game since James Hardin there. They talk about Tatum possibly could come back. Detroit, they look like they in River. Next, y'all have the same team from last year.

Y'all got rid of Tibado. I don't know if y'all sound the same grittiness and toughness. The Tibido was there with Tibido. Because me personally, I like Mike Brown as a coach. I think he's a player's coach. But to me, Mike Brown rides a all-star. to the wheels fall off. Pause.

He did that with LeBron James and Cleveland, even though LeBron James got them to Cleveland. I seen a couple times when he was coaching murder in Cleveland, and they was like, what was the game playing the night to make your win? Jump on LeBron James back and have him take us to the end. Pause. That was his logic for winning a couple games.

We see you get to the Lakers. Same thing with Kobe. We see you get there to Sacramento. We see you do it with Deerrin Fox. He was assistant. coaching with Golden State so you see what it takes to the tent play team basketball. But my opinion is Mike Brown is a good coach, but he really rises all-star to the wheels fall off.

And let's hope Jaylen Hurst has to stand a month to take them through the playoffs this year. Okay. So I know this was about the next, but I do want to go back to the Spurs because Cammy made a point you said the Spurs are looking like the best team in the NBA right now. Is that something that you guys both agree on or do you guys feel different, Mace? What did you just say, Starr? Yeah, do you feel like the Spurs are looking like the best team in the NBA right now? The Spurs is definitely one of the best teams.

I wouldn't say the best team. They had a phenomenal month last week that Ken was talking about the 11 straight wins. But before that, we was talking about Boston. Boston, to me, is the most dangerous team because you don't know exactly what's going to happen. They have championship pedigree. They've been there before. They got the nucleus of players that understand what needs to happen to me. And they don't have Tatum back.

So to me, that's the team that's the most striking to me. I love what Detroit is doing with the turnaround from last year. But I don't know what they're like in the postseason yet. So I'm not ready to say them or, you know, San Antonio is a much dangerous, much more dangerous team. because I just haven't seen them in the finals or seen them in the, and what can we say, the semi-finals or anything.

They haven't, they've been made it to the conference finals. So I'm not ready to say they're that dangerous, but Boston is a team that have gone all the way. They got the coach from going all the way. They got the Purt, they got their MVP from going all away. And they got the other player that's potentially,

one of the best players in the league that has also been all the way. So that's the team to me. That's the most dangerous, in my opinion. Yeah, that's a great take with me, and unfortunately that wasn't my statement. My statement was the San Antonio Smurz are the best team right now, meaning at the moment. Do I think that they're going to win the whole thing?

No, I don't think that they're going to win the whole thing. Could they win the whole thing? They could. Do I think so? No, I'm just saying that they're, playing the best basketball right now in the NBA. I don't think they have the experience that Denver has. I don't think they have to experience their OKC has.

You made some really great points about how this team has no real playoff experience whatsoever as a unit. I'm not talking about the Spurs organization. So those were great points. And I agree with you with Boston in the Eastern Conference as well. But I was just saying at the moment, I don't see anybody playing basketball better than spurs at the moment. We'll see when the playoffs starts.

That's a whole other story. So now on to the Nuggets and the Timberwolves. So yesterday the Timberwolves beat the Nuggets. 1-17 to 108. It's an interesting game, considering that they had the same record, but now the Timberwolves are on top. Mase, did this loss expose a weakness in the Nuggets? You think it's just a bad game.

How are you feeling about both teams right now? I'm really thinking it's just a good game by Denver. when I think of the wolves, you know, like they have this kind of mystique to them. They could be the best team at some point. A couple of years, I was expecting this to turn around to being one of the better, like the best teams in the West. Right now, I know that one of them, but I was expecting them to be a little bit more dominant than what they turned out to be. So they have that potential there as long as they have Ant Man there, right? and man at any time can turn explosive and take over the league should he desire to at that point.

So I think they'll always have that. But until they get a few more pieces, it's just one game at a time. You can celebrate it. But I'm trying to think the team they're like, they're like Cleveland Cavaliers in the 90s when they had Ron Hopper. And he was this explosive two guard. but they can never beat Jordan. They could never beat the Chicago Bulls. And I think this team is the same way when it comes to,

when it comes to Ant Man and the Timberwolves. Though they could beat a Denver team, they won't beat them when they count. I just don't see them beating them when they count. I don't see that at all. I think Joker becomes the Joker that we know and dominate the game even more. and they end up losing.

So to me, I don't put much stock into this game. I think it's a league that turns into May and June, and in May and June, they'll be sad as they were the last couple of May and June's that passed. I think the Timberwolves, another team is playing extraordinary well at the moment. When Maysson is correct, it boils down to the playoffs

with the Timber Wars because we all know that Air Man's a superstar sensational highlight rail weight in the habit but the success comes from the playoffs but this game to me I am going to take it in the stock and I'm going to say that this is a mental victory not just a victory on the floor for the Timberwolves

you know you probably will face if not definitely we'll see how it turns out But this is a team you potentially could face in the playoffs. And we know that Joker's not playing 100%. He keeps playing. He's not going to be 100% for the rest of the season. But don't get it fucked up. I hurt Joker still get you 35 points, 12 rebounds, and non-assists.

He's one assist away from a triple double. So you're dealing with that. But the way the Timberwolves looked last night was just amazing because it wasn't the Ant Man show. Edmund only had 21, 23 points, 21 points if I'm not mistaken, but Nage Reed. Nas Reid, I keep saying Julius Randall, we keep talking about Devenzo. Nas Reid is the one who really is going to make the difference if the Timber Wars are going to make a move. The way he comes in the game, Shifty, defensive prowess on defense, but he gets you buckets as well,

and he doesn't do that consistently. Julius Randall, we know that he's the second go-to, but Nage Reed is the real key to this team. And we keep seeing that in the beginning of the season, before Joker's injury, they would look really like they were the ones this season. Like they were in second place, I believe, before Joker got hurt, and now they dwindling down and having looked the same since Joker's come back from this injury. So if I'm Minnesota, I do take stock in this game, but ultimately what Murder said is that that's going to boil down to the playoffs.

Ant Man, we've seen, I don't know if you've seen the game the other night, but Ant Man's taking on that role to where he's saying, I don't care from getting double team. He had a game winner the other night with two people in his face, and his coach yelled at him for taking the shot. But he yelled back into coach. It went in. And after the game, they asked the coach and Ant Man about the altercation.

And the Amman said the right thing. He said, my coach is right 98% of the time. I probably shouldn't have took the shot, but it went in. I guess that's not with 2% he's trying to say. He didn't say the 2% part, but that's what he's trying to say. It still is 2% out there,

you know what I'm saying? And he's basically saying that if the game's on the line, I want the ball. So let's see if all this translates into the playoffs this year. But I do think they're playing sensational in the second half of the season,

the Timber World's got is. And I think that Denver is on the decline. We'll see what happened in the playoffs as well. Yeah, that was actually a, pretty big conversation when Ant Man decided to take that shot. And of course, like, it went in, which made it a good shot. But just curious in you guys's opinion, how do you guys think star players should handle coach and player disagreements? Because I know in his brain, he's like, I'm open. Like, I'm going to take the shot. But then some people might see it as disrespectful,

like maybe crossing the line. Mace, what's your opinion on that? I think when it, when it boils down to it like Camstead, it's 98 to 2 percent is always. It's always wrong unless you make it. Realistically, it's really more like 99 and 1. It's like when Stefan Curry is shooting, right? And another time, that's like the most horrible shot you can shoot. But because it goes in so much, it's like you got to let them shoot it. It's going in. And as long as it goes in, you got to keep letting him shoot it. But I look at the times if he get older and he started missing those shots, those same commentators would say, those are horrible shots, but they just go in every time, you know. So when it comes to arguing with a coach, I don't think

is ever a good time to argue with a coach because it just never goes well because he can make the decision of if you're in the game or out of the game until the owner says, you know, we're getting a coach out of here. But for the most part, it's never a good time to argue with the coach because it even dwindles the morale of the team. It don't matter how good the players, if he's arguing with the coach, it just seems like a bad idea for the rest of the team because now do we listen to the coach? Do we listen to the plays that he's running? If we got a player, especially the key player, that's arguing with the coach, it's just,

it's super bad for the team. It depends, right? So it depends all you are going to know with the coach. Let's just say this, right? Seriously, like, I see Shacking, Shaq and Charles Barkley talking about this. Shout to Shaq, shout to Charles. Shout to Jay LaRoy was here talking about this during yesterday,

halftime or whatever when it happened. And Shaq was like, I never really argue with my coach. One time I did argue with my coach and I wound up in Phoenix. Basically, Shaq. wants to loss his leverage, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, and it's Shaq. But, you know, when Shaq went to Phoenix, we were talking about a prime time, Shaq,

when he left Boston, I believe, whatever time it was. When you know, we, Shaq out to Phoenix, it wasn't the Orlando, Lake, or Miami He Shack that he once knew. But to the point, look, this ain't nothing new, right? We could start off with Magic Johnson.

Magic Johnson ain't like his coach. Got Paralli in there, coach. So it's like, yo, who are you going to pick? Magic Johnson of the coach. The owner said I'm going with Magic Johnson. We could go back to Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan wasn't good along with college. Who they end up getting?

Not saying that Michael Jordan won it Phil Jackson, but that's what he ended up games. We could just go back with recently as a spider on Cleveland. He didn't want to, he didn't like his coach. They picked him, signed him, got ready to coach. We'll think about Yonis. Yonis didn't like his coach. Doc Rivers came in.

We don't see players Not like they coach in this more recent era And get away with it You know what I'm saying But I agree with Mace is not good to argue with the coach Because you'll sit there and say Yo, you're letting this nigga talk to you like that And get away with that

How am I supposed to respect you? But then the coach might look at you and say, yo, Because he averaged in 31 and 7 You average in a single, nigga I'm trying to keep my job. What do you do? I don't have, you know, this is all rhetorical questions. I'm saying, what do you do?

What do you do you sit there and fall back and say, because, Mace, that was a great example. The best, I was thinking about that before you even took your tape when the niggas says stuff Curry. I remember it's a play. Steph Curry, when Steve Kerfurt got this, stuff Curry dribbling through like four or five, he jumped through six niggas.

His niggas, the other team, I would be, and just turn. around and shoot the shot. Steve Carr about they're yelling them, but the shit go in. So, nigga, Steve Carr like, but I would say 75% of the shots that stuff curry

shoots are terrible shots if it ain't stuffed curry. If it ain't stuffed curry, it's what the fuck are you doing? What are you doing, nigga? Yes. But it's Steph Curry, you know what I'm saying? And then when you think about,

right? Do you want to... LeBron got criticized for this a lot in his career in the beginning, right? In the beginning

of his career, he don't want to take the last shot. He don't have the heart. He don't want to take the last shot. He don't want to take the last shot. Now if your superstar

don't take the last shot, he thought he was the franchise player. Why he's not taking the last shot? So at the end of the day, it's one of them no-win situations. What do you do? So...

I'm the superstar. It depends because we see Michael Jordan, right? We see Michael Jordan with titles on the line, get double-triple-team and pass it to Steve Kerr for a championship. We see Michael Joyne get double-team pass it to Luke Longlee for a championship. We see Michael Jordan get double-team to passers to John Pax for a championship. Sometimes it's about making the right basketball play, too. So there's no one answer to this question.

Yeah. So essentially, you guys don't think that coaches have to treat players fairly because it depends on who they are, right? Think about this last example real quick. We just seen a tough coach, a hard-nosed coach. Not only hard-nose coach, a hard-nose coach who won a championship, but the Joker don't like him. He's out of there. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay, well, speaking of the Joker, we're not going to go to the exact game, but I want to talk about the interaction because last Friday, the Thunder beat the Nuggets 127 to 121 in overtime. So there is an exchange between Yokic and Lou Dort, because Yokic thought Lou Dort made a cheap shot. Jaylon Williams is getting involved, and it's like they're about a fight. Like you see Joker's face.

It's a lot going on. He was very angry. So my question to y'all is we know Yokic is intimidating on the basketball. court, but do you guys see him as an intimidating person? Like, is he that type of guy in the league that you don't want to fight or is he still kind of have that good persona because we see the horses and we see that he just likes basketball? What does you guys think of that exchange and his reaction to it? I think when it comes to Joker, of course he doesn't want to fight Joker, but he was acting like he wanted to, but everybody act like that until it's time to do so, right?

I wouldn't make much of that because I don't think he could be Joker. You think he could be Joker? That's kind of crazy question. You never really know. You never really know. You'll be surprised. Yeah, the way Joker bully the front court,

I don't think so. Well, listen, I'll tell you this, right? I don't know if there's dead at night or not there that night. but Joker'd be having two brothers that's in the crowd that's bigger than him. I don't know if y'all seen that. I don't know if you've seen them run down

to the sidelines before. Imagine three jokers from Serbia. Like fam, they don't care. I don't know if y'all seen this. I'm that serious. If you haven't seen it, Google the jokers' brothers. It's two of them.

They'd be lurking around, walking around with me while this niggas playing. Don't listen. I'm dead serious. This ain't no regular times bouncers. These niggas got they got muscles or type of city.

I joker had a problem before and they had to get the police and all that shit involved with the two brothers. I think that people might think because joke is quiet and he's big and of course he's a problem in the paint. But I've seen that clip

that you're talking about with Doork. Yeah. Joker went back. He had the Serbia eyes. Those Serbian eyes was crazy. Pause. Plus, I don't think a lot of people understand because we're the best basketball organization in the world. Everybody wants to play with the NBA.

But I don't think you understand the crowds that are in other cities outside the NBA. We are the best organization in the world, but we don't not have the best basketball crowds in the world. Fans again, when you get time, Google Serbia basketball fans. Just Google it. They're lightning blow torches in the crowd while the game is going on. They're jumping up and down. And not only that, see, what they do, they are basketball clubs, not just teams. So they're not just watching your team.

You can be part of the club, which makes you more of a fan because you feel like you're part of it. Tickets is $10, $20 for everybody. So they're filling up stadium-sized places. I'm talking about football-sized arenas because tickets are cheap. The reason people come over here to play basketball because this is the most money you can make

out of any league in the world. But it's not the best fans in the world. Google Serbia basketball. You asked Joker. Last thing I say, they asked Joker one time. Did the fans, he was playing the way. I forget where he was playing, but they said, let's just say if it was

New York, it wasn't New York, but let's say New York, he said, did the fans bother you when they're boring you? He said, man, listen, I played in Serbia and walked off. That's how crazy it is. We're the richest basketball organization in the world and best because we get worldwide coverage, but not the best fans, not whatsoever. So I think back to the original question,

I want to play with Joker. He don't want to be here like that anyway. And probably his brothers don't want to be here, neither. They got a Washington woman. No, that's a good point. I just think... Yeah, we got three brothers. That's dangerous.

We got three brothers bigger than him. Oh, two. That's a problem. You ain't seen when they won the championship and the two brothers was tossing Mike Brown around, just tossing the coach around. Like a little thing, they was just throwing them back and forth like a baby.

Yeah, leave that kid alone, bro. They don't want to be here like that anyway. They want to get their money and go home and hopefully win a championship along the way. Yeah. And just to allude to the brother situation, yeah, the brother pleaded guilty to punching a fan in the face during a 2024 NBA playoff game. So Yokish is probably the calmest out of all of them because he's on the court.

Yeah. So. Yeah, it's crazy. And even the clip is crazy. If you guys haven't seen it who are watching, make sure you go see it. Because like Camas said, his eyes said it all. And it was like, okay, it's a lot going on. I've never had a run in with a white foreign man.

Don't ever want to because that was a lot. So, yeah. Okay, we are going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss George Pickens franchise tag. Don't go anywhere. Welcome about it's toxic. Four years and counting. Got you feeling like an option.

Maybe I'm my own problem, babe. She's tired of hearing, I don't know. My stubborn in me won't fall for all trust. But she really thinking about what her. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. Tonight, the Rockets will play the Wizards. Underdog has Kevin Durant at 25 and a half points.

Do you have them higher, lower Mace? I got to go higher. It's Kevin Durant. These are easy questions, right? It's like, is Kevin Durant going to have 25? Of course he's going to have 25. The only time I think Kevin Durant will not have 25, let's say he start growing his hair out to an Afro or something,

then it'll be a different Kevin Durant. Other than that, I'm going with the nappy hair, Kevin Durant any day. the week. Higher, definitely going on a Mace higher. Okay, Sengoon is at 19.5. Points. Do you have them higher, lower cam? I'm going to go lower.

Yeah, lower. Okay, and then for the Wizards, they got Bubb Carrington at two and a half rebounds. Do you have them higher, lower Mace? I'm going to go higher. I'm going to go higher. I think when Underdog make these kind of plays, you got to be in the know of what's going on. And I happen to be in a nose. so I got to go higher.

Go higher as well. Okay. Make sure y'all down on the Underdog app and you can make your picks too. So Cowboys finally placed the franchise tag. Hold on one second, stat. Yeah. I want to ask you a question. What do you think murder on Shea Gildreda's Alexander closing in on Will Chamberlain,

most consecutive 20-point games? She got a 123 consecutive consecutive. games of 20 points and Will Chamberlain got 123 and Will Chamberlain got 126. What you think about that? I like that for Shea, you know? I like that. It's not just new hotness like Stap be doing, you know?

She make up stuff for the week and, you know, no player had this many points in February. It'll be a black history month. But I like this for shit, you know? I like this. I like this whole idea. And I hope he passed him, right? I'm ready for new hotness to be better than your old niggas, man.

Because, Cam, you keep bringing up these old niggas. I'm ready for new hotness. Pause. Mate, you ain't even know this, man. You ain't know a war was going on. Take me, my nigger. I be trying to keep you loopie, man. What you're talking about, man?

I'm just asking you up, I'm just asking you up, how we get turned back with me? I'm actually in your opinion about something. Yeah. Hey, I'm throwing rocks from the glass house. Well, let me ask you this. With that being said, do you think Shay is the best point guard right now in the NBA?

Yeah, he's definitely, he's definitely number two. I would give him number two. I mean, you can say number one, but. I got to go with Kaye Cunningham. I got to go with Kay Cunningham. I got to. But he's not a point guard. But he's not a point guard, Marrott said the best point guard.

Okay. Then I would have to go him number one. Yeah, he's number one. I'm just saying because Jalen Brunson fans be getting mad when we put him ahead of Jalen Brunson. Talk about the culture. You really think Jalen Brunson is. better than they really think I did not say that.

If you live in New York, I'm just telling you they think that in New York. That's what I'm saying. Jalen Brunson represent all of us that go, that play in the PSAL, that think they should have win pro.

You know what I'm saying? And Shade like, Kenny Anderson. Yeah, Yeah, yeah. This niggins tough. He played against everybody.

Yeah, I get it, nigga. He's just like, okay. That's the best way to subscribe. That's the best way that, you know, the subscribers. So you know, you know. to make it make sense for New Yorkers. He represents everybody that played everywhere.

The long list of niggas do is 5-11, the 6-1, that's where they was in the league. I can go down the list, man. The Charles Joneses, the Cameron Jowles. Yeah. No, let me think. Yeah. The Danes Santiago. This is a good one, murder.

Do you say this? This is a good one. Let me, like, let me say this. I love that. What do you compare this? So we'll say Shane Gildred's as Kenny Anderson, right? And Jalen Bressing is Corrine Reed? Yeah.

Lefty and all that. That's exactly. That's exactly what the nigg is, right? Yeah. Donald. That's a fact. That's exactly weird. And things are they get mad if you tell them.

Niggins, I ain't nothing but Kareem Reed with Brains. Shout out to my man, Kareem, man. That's a fact. Yeah. You know, that niggins would definitely get mad. You like, we've seen Jaylen Brunson. That was Kareen Reed.

You got braids. That's it. That's a great one, I think. Kareem Reid with praise against Jalen Rose. That's exactly what we can talk about. Yeah, you picking Rame Reed over Jalen Rose? I love Rie Reed. Yeah, I love Rie Reed too, but I ain't picking them one with Jay.

And he's big game. And he's big game. Yeah, yes, yes. when it counts. Yes, absolutely. Yes. So before we... Can I go with six, six?

Before we actually go back... Oh, no, let's say, before we go back to George Pickens, because now I'm curious, and this might be best for Knicks fans to hear because there's a lot of debate here and there. I know you asked if Jalen Brunson would be, you know, his number one,

but is Jalen Brunson in you guys is top three for best point guards in the league right now? That's a good question. If I read the carrie's back, if the carrie's back, I don't know. Right now, let's do right now, like who is actively playing. Right now, I got him. Is James Harden a point guard?

Is James Harden a point guard? He's playing point. Yeah. Go ahead, killer. I just wanted to know before I take my take, because, you know, I was thinking James Hardin, they'd really be mad at me about this, but I got to go with what I know. I can't go on whatever. I got them tied for number three with James Hart.

Number one is Shay for me. Number two is Luca. Number two is Luca. And then I got it. Pick who you like with James Hart and Jaylen Brunson. Yeah, I'm glad we was thinking the same thing, but I have them fourth. I have them fourth behind James Hardin. I don't have that nigga in front of James Hardin.

I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't. I tried, you know? I can't do it. I got Luca number one. I got, no, I got, I got the shade number one, Luca number two, and I got James Sergeant 3. That's why I asked. That was my

number one question. Killer is James Hardin a point guard? Because if James Hardin is a point guard, I just know what the history of the league has showed. We got tiny archibald. We got Isaiah Thomas. Other than that, small guards don't get it done when it comes to when it comes to the NBA finals

and stuff like that. Not most times. So I'm going with that. I'm going with that. And I'm standing on it. I'm putting James Hardin. before Jalen Brunson. And I think this is the year we get to see it. This is the year we get to see in the playoffs is James Harden going to show up against Jalen Brunson.

So we get to settle it. We get to settle it. Come April, come May. We'll get to settle it. So you ain't got to get mad at me. Save your takes for me. Say your take. Yeah.

Come back and say, a nigga murder was right again. I'm telling you. So, you know, No, I got a follow-up question. Since we're talking about right now, do you guys both have James Hardin and Jalen Brunson over Cade? Well, we're talking about a point guard. Cade, we're not counting.

He said he's not a point guard. Okay. If I was counting him a point guard, he would be number five now. Now Jalen Brunson will be number five because I would have to put Kate up there. But they say he's not a point guard, so we're going to leave that there. Okay. Even though he technically is, but this is where the terms have to be shared because of It's up to what you're going to call it.

But, okay, I just want to make that clear because you know everybody's going to have their favorite. And we'll see if it's alignment with what y'all think because next fans are waiting for their praise from y'all, which we, you know, we started with it a little bit. Murder, murder, murder. Yeah. I'm doing the research now. It says he's primarily point guard. I didn't know he's the police primarily the point guard murder. So I stand corrected.

earlier when we was talking about this. So now, on a quick recap, evaluating now that pardon me, America, I didn't know he was playing primarily, I thought he's playing off the ball. Yeah. Primarily, it says primarily point out, he's back in the conversation. So even with Shay Gildress, where do you have this? Because you said before, when I mentioned Shay Gildress, get ready to break, um, Bill table his record, you was about to say, the truth is going to put K to front of Shade. Do you still stand by that knowing that he's a point guard? Yeah, I was going to put him at number one.

I was definitely going to put Kade at number one. And I was going to put Shay at number two just for the type of explosiveness, Paul, that he's showing at this position is only going to get crazier with the winds. You know, like when Shay first started getting going, everybody was, they didn't see this coming. But now that we're looking at Kay, he's looking like Oklahoma State. I'm starting to feel like this might be his league. You know, on the East Coast, he's going to dominate the East Coast

because he's not going to get shorter. He's going to get more confident. He's going to start getting more poised about his game, learning how to play at different speeds. And that's when the guard really gets crazy. It's one thing to have the moves. It's another thing when you start playing at your own speed and start picking up the pace

and learning how to change game speed and that's when he gets really dangerous and he's showing that right now. So he's going to dominate the East Coast for a long time because the East Coast has always been filled with shorter guards and that's

what make them kind of different than the West at this point. But I got them over Luca I got them over Shay at this point. So Kaye, I went on a record about it. You know, I wasn't afraid to say it. I saw this happening last year, but this year is really stepped up and showed everybody.

We're putting, you know, Detroit where it's at right now. So I got to put him number one. And he could be arguably number two, but he's definitely no lower than two. And then you got Luca. Then you got, you got James Harden. So this will put, this will put what you call it, way down the number of number four.

Or number, no, number, number, wait, one, two. Yeah, he would be number five now. Oh, because James Harden, yeah. He'll be five now. And I know the next fan are going to hate this. I know since it is going to have, he's going to have a nightmare with this take, but he's not better than Kay. And Kay keep being in New York.

So you saw the kind of night he had in New York. You saw it. Last time you had that kind of night was New York. Michael Jordan or LeBron, man. This is crazy. At Jalen Brunson's position. Yeah, I think that's a great take, but there's no way for me. I can put him against over Shay or Luca at this point.

I'm not mad at the Jalen Brunson hard in conversation whatsoever. You could argue three through five or you want, but to be creeping on Will Chamberlain's records, we don't know niggas who break Will Chamberl's records. Last time Will Chamberlain had a fucking 100-point game, he had just had to hold a sign-up this set of 100 points. Niggins ain't even have any. Niggas don't be breaking one of Chamberlain's record.

So for me, and not only that, Shay's a finalist, MVP finalist the last three seasons. Right now, he's actually leading the NBA, according to Vegas, for MVP this year. Not only that, you got to think about this, a finals MVP, a league MVP and a champion all in one year. That doesn't happen. That's Michael Jordan type shit. Then we got Luca, the youngest, still right now, second place after Michael Jordan and playoff career points, averaging that is.

So I'm not mad at Macy's take. I get it because Macy's, to me, seeing, what he's saying is he sees a vision of what's about to happen, especially where we've seen Detroit us making fun of him and once you get that confidence that Cade I believe is starting to play with it could be that but for me I can't put them against those two

up against those two at the moment you're going to argue the last three through five me my guess just my opinion yeah he's definitely better than Luca he's definitely better than Luca he's definitely better than Luca you could

I understand your point about SGA but with New hotness, new hotness is going to report he's definitely better than Luca. Right now, he's more explosive than Luca. Luca is like, Luca is my guy, right? I'm a

Dallas, I'm an ex-Dalas fan, right? So, Luca's my guy, wherever Lucas plays, but overall basketball, he's better than Luca. Luca plays no defense. So, so Kate is going to always beat him with that.

And for him, We're talking about right now. Right this second. Luca lead, I was going to say real quick. First of all, Luca leads the league and scoring right now. But who, what point guard isn't more explosive than Luca? Like you're saying explosive. We get, that's what makes Luca and the Joker to me spectacular.

Really? Who they are. Yeah. Yeah, like, you know they slow. You know they, you know they're not going to get paid. This is all technical shit. Like, the Joker can't jump. Lucas slow as fuck.

How is he? leading the league and scoring, you know, I seem to take, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I seem to take years ago about how players used to come in the camp when the, when, the Boston Celtics were elite. I'm talking about Doc Rivers, Paul Pierce, KG, and the crew. And Doc Rivers used to be like, players used to be like, yo, this nigga Paul Pierce is slow. This nigga can't explode. He can't get up. And they used to think they're going to come in the practice and bust his ass, but he picks his spots. He knows where he's going to shoot for. of everything else.

I'm not mad at your take. I don't, and I'm not saying wrong, it's just my opinion, but I see where you're going, but I don't think it's a point guard in the league that's not more explosive than Luga. Niggas slow as fuck. Yeah.

Still averaging 33 points. Sorry to interrupt. My bad. My bad. My bad. No, you're right. You're right. You're right.

You're right. And that's a good take. Sometimes it's based on the efficiencies. Sometimes it's based on the number of shots you get to take. and how much you take away from the team to get those points. A lot of times in the league, because players have the ability to take more shots than others, that's the coach's defense, I mean, offense that he draws up,

which allows some guys to get more shots than certain guys, but that's not their efficiency rate. That's just they have the green light on this team, and then they get on another team, and it's not the same thing. So I'm looking at it at that as the overall, because when I'm looking at a point guard, I'm looking at the overall scope of the game. Like, what does he take from other people? How many shots does it take him to get that 30?

And what it does to the rest of the team? And when I'm looking at what K-30 does to the team versus what Luca 30 does to the team, those are going to give you two different outcomes. Like, you could put this 30 on anything. any team, and it's still going to be the same 30. You put Luca on another team that needs the ball, and the ball got a swing. And if he was on the right offense, he would only score about like 17 points based upon the type of game he has.

He has to dominate the ball. He has to have the ball a lot. Like I used to say the same thing about LeBron, right? The way he plays, sometimes it diminishes other players for him to get the numbers that he get. And that's what I'll be speaking of. It's not just his ability is what it does to the whole team. And sometimes, you know, careers evaporate for him to get what he gets. And I understand that. But when you're really great, you make everybody around you better. People become stars that wasn't stars. And that's what I'm speaking of of a Kate versus a Luca, right? Nobody else is going to become a star

with Luca. People will become a star with Kate. That's the sign of a great point guard, Jason Kidd, Magic Johnson, Steve Nash, other people come into the show. And even today, like you look at what Jalen Brunson, other niggas become stars. And you're like, he wouldn't normally be a star. He wouldn't be a household name. But because of this player right here, he becomes a household name. So that's my take on a plane guard. Maybe I need to break down playing. Point guards. Like, the guy that used to have the quarterback school, maybe I'll start the point guard school because I know what I'm talking about.

Yeah, like, outside Tobias Harris, who else is playing on the pisses at the moment? Amen. They got a, they got a, yeah, they got a bunch of role players. I know they just traded one of the guys who was doing really good. but he was always talking about Christianity, so they probably got him out of Detroit. So a few of the guys I knew that got traded. I think that was like one or two guys.

I'm not really familiar with the rest of the team. Gotcha. So in other words, he ain't made nobody a star yet because you don't know nobody. Tobias Cyrus is back on the scene, and he would be nobody on another team. I just said to it. I said, besides Tobias and Thompson, who else he did, murder?

That's what I said. You only make one person a star each year, you know, when it was on. You got it. You got it. That's the sign of, listen. Killer, that's the sign of a good point guard. You don't ever have them trapped, right? In the back, you know how to get out of there, yeah.

Retreat dribble right here. One star for a year. My bad. One star in a star. All right. No, but if you think about it, right? It was Blade, right? Then it was Brian Scott. Then it was Cooper.

Like, each year, then Kurt Rambech became a household name. Each year, somebody knew became a household name. First, Mark McGuire was a household name. But then other people started becoming a household name, like Vinnie Johnson. It started being other players that you didn't think of before, the same way with the Chicago Bulls. Or, you know, one year's Paxon, one year's Craig Hodges. You know, these are people that wouldn't have a name

that that guard makes that team better, and they become household names. I know it felt like a spin, but it really has some truth to it, Killard. Murder. Murder. Morgan Gwai came on the second championship. The Pistons had just won a chip already. He came on the second chip. So what do you talk?

So Vinnie Johnson was already in this dog. Look at Nick. Look at Nick. I hate Nick. I hate Nick. You know, you're a Nick. Your Nick, you're afraid. Yeah, Nick.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hate it. You know. You're Nick. You're a name.

Land Bill. They were stars. No, but they were star for Mark Aguoy. You talk about Mark McGuire. He'd get there and the rest of me. Mark Aguarez joined the team that just won a chip. What was the other guy named English? What was the other guy named English?

Alex English. He played for the Nuggets. Yeah. Every year, somebody knew became the star the team. That's a sign of a point guard, a new point guard. All right. A great point star. You got it, man.

Well, you need me in John Sally. These are people that wouldn't be a star on another team. Bro, I feel you, bro. I'm just saying, you said Mark Aguyer. I'm just telling you. You said he made some stars. He joined a team full of stars. But I get it.

I get what you coming from one a year. I got it now. One a year. One a year. One a year. One a year. One a year. Like it was Devenzo, right?

And then another time, it became... No, listen. I'm trying to help you, Mace. I got something for you. I'm showing it to him in real time. Go ahead. It was Devin Chino. Then was Josh Hart.

Josh Hart is not a star on a Nick on another team. But he become famous playing with Jailen of Jalen on Brunson. He wouldn't be a star on another team. Yeah. This is all you got a love with Harlem, nigga. Let me tell you so that you can go, this is how you know, when you tell a nigga,

they got it and they won't stop. I said you got it. I said, I said, all right, you got it. I thought Yeah, I was going to help you out Because I know you were trying to name stars But you could argue Jalen Duren

Because he was an all-star I don't know how his performance Would be on another team But if you just want to Put that there Yeah Thank you, Statt I was trying

But you just kind of kept You just kept And I was like That's why you stat baby That's why you stat baby Right? You got the stats Just kept going

That's why you're here. Thank you for doing your part, the stats. Say his name again, Nicola Killer. One star at a time. He don't know. I know who he is. He makes don't know who he is. That's my point.

I know the concept. The concept is one star year. Next year, it'll be somebody else. That's what greatness does. every year you produce another star man you got it man camp gave up he's officially giving up

okay yeah let's talk on this franchise tag and then we'll wrap we'll let the comments discuss too because I'm sure they're going to have a lot to say about you guys's rankings because there's even some other people even though like Steph Curry's injured

like a couple other players I wouldn't even touch on for point guard so that's a discussion in itself but we can definitely circle back to that another episode. So last thing, the Cowboys finally placed the franchise tag on George Pickens to secure his rights at least through 2026. The NFL set the 2026 salary cap at $301.1.2 million on Friday, making Pickin's salary guaranteed $27.28 million for next season if he chooses to play on it. So while working out a long-term deal remains a possibility, the two

sides have until July 15th to get a new contract finalized or by NFL rule. The player must play on the one-year deal or choose to hold out. Mace, do you think this is a smart decision by the Cowboys? I can't give any credit to the Cowboys at this point, right? None of the things they do seem to pan out in the last 15 years or so, right? But let's be optimistic. You want to say, yeah, yeah. If Michael Urban is here, yeah.

Since my room is blue, yeah. But other than that, I'm happy. for Pickings. He gets to get paid. I hope it turns out great. I'm looking for him to do great things. But the Cowboys track history in the last couple of years just say that this won't turn out well. That's all I can say. But I wish him the best. I wish Jerry Joan the best. And for the sake of Michael Irvin and his poncho, just keep the poncho alive. I'm going to say it's a good idea. For the Cowboys, yes, a good idea for me, my opinion, for the Cowboys. Y'alloy's. Y'all, y'all. For pickings, no.

Now, we all know that the salary cap means that you get the average of the top five players in your position. So it's 27 million ain't none that needs that. But you want a one-year deal, and what if you get hurt in this one year? The only person I know, I can't say only, I'm not going to say it's the only person, period. Only person that I could think of that killed them, killed them I'm talking about throughout their whole career on the salary cap is, pardon, that's how I recap, franchise tag. It's Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins killed them on the fucking franchise tag for years,

playing on one-year deals, grabbing all them Ms, because he kept getting franchise tag and he kept producing. But the ultimate goal for a player is to get a long-term contract in case you get hurt. Now, let's say Pickett's plays on this one-year deal. He ends up getting hurt, and now he's out for however long. Now that's why sometimes they say maybe he should hold out. I don't know how old tickets is if he's young enough to hold out,

but then you don't want to miss out on 27 million either, but you don't want to play with 27 million, don't have a long-term deal, and then you get hurt. That franchise is a slippery slope. So if I'm the Cowboys, I get it. Okay, C.D. Lamb, you want to restore us. That Prescott, you want to restore us. Michael Parsons, you tried to get us.

I keep paying everybody from just, Jerry Jones and I can't give a chip. I can't get to the motherfucking conference championship. God damn. I got to pay everybody and y'all not doing nothing for me. Help me. Help me. You want me to help you. You help me.

Help me. I keep giving a niggis. Yeah, help me. Help me. There you go. That's the phrase I'm looking for. So I'm not, if I'm George Pickens, I'm mad because I'm like, yo, I want a long-term deal. But if I'm Jerry Jones, I'm like, what are you?

you promising me at least they're going to get to the Super Bowl. Because that's what that told me. You know, that's what CD told me. That's what Tony Romo told me. You know, when am I going, when is somebody going to do something for me? I didn't want to let Mike and go.

Yeah, a lot of me. Yeah. Yeah. So tell me at least. Tell me what I want to hear. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So to answer the question is that 100%,

if this is a good idea for the Cowboys, yes. Is Pickers happy about it? I probably not. Absolutely not. Good point. And he's 24, by the way. If it comes down. It becomes down to it. 24?

Yeah, if it comes down to it, it's like Jerry Jones is like, yo, four people like you said, already robbed me. I can't let a fourth, a fourth nigger robbed me. Come on, my nigga. This is a come on my nigger moment. And realistically, if he doesn't want to take it, pause, hold out.

Get somebody else to give it to you. I can't get robbed four times with this same thing. And if you believe it that much, if I'm Jerry Jones, let's put it in writing. Let's put it in writing. If we go to the chip, you get all the money you want. If you don't,

then this is how much I owe you. I think that will be a good job, a good job, Jerry Jones. Stop putting it in round. If we go to the playoffs, this is how much you get. If we go to this, if we go to the conference final, I mean, this is

what you get. If we win the conference, this is what you get. If we get the Super Bowl, this is what you get. Because right now Jerry Jones is just falking out a lot of money. And you can't sell that many jerseys. It's just not possible to make the money back.

Oh, is it? Or is it? Is it enough merch you think, Killer, to make the money back worldwide? Absolutely. That's why the Cowboys are one of the richest franchises in the world, not in all the sports, because of that star. That star is a big thing.

Same thing like when you see a Yankee hat. Yeah. The merch, you'll get it back off the merch. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So, but that ain't got nothing. Jerry got a fan.

But the thing about it is, but the thing about it is this for me, murder. You're right. I'm not saying he's shit, but I'm just saying, I get where they're coming from.

But the thing about it is this, right? You become a bigger star when you're under that star. You're under the umbrella too now, nigga. Don't get it fucked up, you don't act like you're under the program. Yeah, you're thinking Brandon. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, it's one thing when you jingles and you play for the players, nobody care when you wear that gaucho jacket, it matters. When you wear that Riverside jacket, it matters. You got that hope on the back of your jacket. Yeah, they know what time it is, man. So that counts too. All that counts.

Yeah, that says you're one of the ones. You caught the attention of this program. So I get that. I get that. Jerry Jones, you got to throw that money out there then. We need you to cash them out. No, but that's what I'm saying. Before we go, my last ticket,

Jerry, like, don't act like I ain't putting you under the wing. I'm not saying you was like, you was like up there in Pittsburgh, but this is different. You asked players, even when they did it, they did a survey with players and said they general mood overall, was just better when they played for the Cowboys,

even though they didn't win. I remember, I forget who it was. Damn, I wish I could remember who the fuck it was. But they would say how they won the Super Bowl with somebody else, but they love still playing for the Cowboy organization and with just something different and special about it. And they compare that to the Super Bowl ring. I'll find out who that was next show so I can bring it up.

Wow. But that's how good it is to be in Dallas, man. I don't know, man. It's like like Lakers. Right, exactly. So the point is, murder, the last time I asked you

for your last thing and you got the same tape. Because you make the money back in merchandise, because we're going to make this X, Y, Z. That's what we've been doing before you got here.

This don't act like me rather than worth $11 billion before you got here, man. Now, when you win here, your shit go up. Imagine winning here. That's what he.

You can win without else, but winning him It's different when you win here. You're a killer. Like you told me, you got it, nigga. You got it. No, listen, that's what they told Dion shot to Dio. Come on, Nick, where my bubble? Pause.

Where the bubble at, Nick? You got it, nigga. You got it. You got it. Last thing. That'd be a great question. I'm going to call Coach Prime later to day and ask Coach Prong. Because Coach Prime, you think about this, right?

He won the Super Bowl with San Francisco, which we all think is a great organization. But he left from San Francisco to play for the Cowboys to next year. I'm going to ask Coach Prong, what's a better organization, and who would he feel better with winning? Because he won with both teams. Let me get an answer for us. That's good.

Yeah, that's a great conversation. And which championship? and which championship fell better. Right, yeah, that's what I meant. Yes, exactly. Yeah. We're waiting for that answer, but y'all, today was a great discussion,

but that is all the time that we have for today. Thank y'all for watching, and as always, it is what it is.