IT IS WHAT IT IS - IT'S TIME TO PANIC WITH THE CHIEFS, SHEDEUR'S DEBUT & ARE THE LA RAMS THE BEST TEAM IN THE NFL?!

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

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It's like, whoa. is presented by Underdog. If you're new to Underdog, today's the day. Get $100 in bonus entries when you play just $5 with code. It is what it is. So Underdog isn't stopping there. New customers also get a gimmee pick. So Citi Lamb just needs one. Hey guys. What's going on? How you doing? Thank you. I'm amazing. Thank you. How about you? Good. I see you. You said you had something to ask me. I do. Yes. So I saw. a clip of you saying that you asked her girl if she was serious about marriage or said if she was serious about marriage that she had to buy the ring now my question for you is the ring that she bought was that the actual ring that you ended up using to propose or was that symbolic like all right she bought the ring but now I'm about to really do my thing like did you just want to see her do it or was that the actual ring that she got on her finger which which one do you think you you spend some time around us which which one do you think do you think he did it to make the the cash out or did you think he did it okay so knowing what I know about you over this last year and some change that is the exact ring that was yeah yeah was better than the one that she'd invest in you know you one thing I learned

about women is that they honor their sack of a little bit higher than your sacrifice. Guys, you got to know this. And I see Statt making these faces. Put the camera on stat. Let me ask you something. And Killer is listening in. So I know he's going to chime in on this.

If you paid the rent for the last six months or he paid the rent for the last six months, which one means more to you? I mean, well, back. I'm like you're asking about the ring and then you're asking about right which are two very very very different things I knew you couldn't answer the question answer it because I can value a man's sacrifices especially a busy man because that's important to me to do you value his sacrifice over yours this I mean all monetary sacrifices to me are important sacrifices especially with that's your money that should make so if if do you value with What hits your heart more, that you had to spend $10,000 on him some Jordans or him spending $10,000 on your shoes? Which one would you like it to be?

I mean, both are going to hit my heart in different ways. I know, but which one would you like it to be? Which scenario is more likely for you? You paid six months of the rent or him paying six months. I mean, I'm naturally a giver, but I'm also going to want things in return, too. You know what I answer to? But I am, though, because if you-

Arabia, Saudi, Saudi, sorry, listen. He's crazy. That's what I'm going to start saying, when it's time for you to turn up. Which one is pressing on your heart more, that you had to spend 10,000 on him, some Jordans, or he spent 10,000 on you some shoes? All right, so here's what I think.

I think in society, men in general are taught to suppress how how they feel. A woman might be more vocal about, I did this for you and I sacrificed this, and I gave up this and I helped you do this, da-da-da. But a man might be more likely to just charge it to the game and just keep it moving.

Like maybe a woman is just more vocal about it, but they're both making the same sacrifices. So to me, I'm not saying a person, I don't like people holding stuff over my head, like being like, oh, remember when I did this. So I would rather give to you than you give to me because I don't want you to bring it up later when you're trying to be in an argument.

But, you know, that's just what I'm saying. think Dr. Betha. So you'll let them spend, you'll let, um, you'll pay the rent for six months and just feel like you did it for your baby. I'll put it like this. I've never, outside of like my son's father, who obviously is a different situation. I've never had a man spend more on me. I've never had a man spend more on me in our relationship than I spend on him in our relationship.

I've always been the money spender. I've never, ever. had a man who really did outdid me in that regard so that would be a new one for me again outside of my son's father because that's we have a child but I've never been down put the camera on stat I mean that's just now that hasn't happened to me but that's just me I can't make this up I can't make it up I haven't been in the situation where I have spent more not saying that I wouldn't But I haven't because the thing I'm about it at the end of the day, if I really, really, really need something, I'm going to ask my dad.

And my dad's going to give it to me. That's just that. Like, that's my situation, though. So, but I don't think that means that a man has to spend a certain monetary amount for me to be satisfied. It was never giving that. So that's just what I think. Okay. Okay.

Well, welcome to the show. Welcome to the show. Welcome back. Always got questions. Well, welcome back, Mace, because we're going to start with Tidal Town. So, Chiefs lost the Broncos, 22 to 19, Arabia. Do you think this is the year the Chiefs don't make the playoffs? How are we feeling about them in this game?

Oh, it very well could be. It all depends on, because right now, I think they sit about 10 in the AFC right now. You know, there are only eight spots in the playoffs. So it depends on what the Texans do. It depends on what these like six, seven, eight, no, the seven, eight, nine spots do for us to really see if they're not going to make it or not. There still is a chance, but what we do know for sure and technically is too early to call it, but they have, they will break their nine consecutive AFC West titles. That's too early to call, but we can pretty much call it. The Broncos look really, really good.

They're tied for best record in the NFL right now. They're undefeated at home, six and oh. These two teams will see each other again. They will rematch on Christmas. But the Chiefs very well may not make the playoffs. And we might get a break from the Chiefs in the AFC this season and the postseason. The Broncos look really, really good. One of the best things you can give a young quarterback is a defense.

And the defense is the real deal. When you have a game changer like Pat Certain off of your team and the defense still plays at a high level, that's when you should be feared. All three levels of defense look really, really great. You can get pressure with four. You can get pressure with four. That just opens up your second level and your secondary. So I think the Broncos, I'm really excited to see how they end the season,

but even more excited to see what they do in the postseason. Actually, I'm not surprised. When you think about this, you see the layout that I have right here. Title Town is definitely on the move. I don't have time to deal with this. I don't have time to go through this. If they're not coming to play, I just can't cast my vote there.

So we're in the portal. That's what I can say. We're in the portal right now. I'm looking at these teams right now. There's a few other teams. I'm not sure which direction we're going in yet. I need a moment. I can't believe how they played.

Yo, could you read this last texting what Thomas says? 4.40 p.m. Hours before the show. I told you, Killa, Tidal Town might be on the move. I think it's on the move. You for the show. No. Nick sent me that. He said, that's what Mace is going to say.

And quoted. At 4.40. At 4.40 p.m. today. Nick called exactly what Mace was going to say. What a producer. Because when I walk in, he tells me to say it's Tidal Town on the move. So, Nick, you lace me?

Pause. What's going on here, Nick? I don't know, I was just reading the text says, Mace Tonight. You killer, Title Town is on the move. I told you it would be on the move. Yeah, Nick. I think America kind of already knew that, though, Nick, but thank you for the text.

Nick is from Harlem now. He's sad, niggas off. He's lying in niggas up. Okay. Look, man, the Chiefs, this ain't, I mean, I thought they would win this game. I predicted them to win this game, but it's kind of how they just been playing all year. You know, in the beginning we thought it might have been injury. But look, you can't win every year.

You know, it's been times. When I look at this season for the Chiefs, it kind of reminds me when the Patriots were going through that era, when they were always winning the division. And then maybe two years out of like 15 years or something crazy. The Jets won the division, like with Mark Sanchez. Like it was some random two times that the Jets won the division. And maybe more than that, not just the Jets, but I'm sitting there thinking about during the Tom Brady era.

Nobody really won division, but you're not going to win all the time. Like Arabia just said, they just won that shit nine times in a row. Broncos look good this season, and I think it's primarily their defense. I think everybody was so excited about this game because Bo Nix family had a good game, and he played really well.

well, but I don't know where they're going to go out in the playoffs. I think this was a good game for the offense. Their defense can't carry them through the whole playoffs. They did it before, though, when Peyton Manning was there. Because Peyton Manning was playing like shit. The defense actually won a Super Bowl for the motherfuckers. We'll see what happens, but, yeah, Title 10, I guess, Mesa's really in the portal. Everybody, to my love is in the portal.

Okay. Old fucking tables. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. Wait, Stad, I'm not really, I'm not really, like, taking aback by the way that they lost. They only lost by three. So I'm really not fearful.

I'm just, for the sake of the show, I'm in the portal. But I still believe that Kansas City could win, you know? I'm surprised you're telling, you're not saying they lost on purpose. Like they lost the other week on purpose. No, that game was that. That game was that. But this game, you got to remember,

Bo Nix is a part of my family. Okay. He's from the Mighty Buck Ducks. Remember, Killer? So. Nakes, this is week 10. Why I got time to be, niggins don't got time

to lose games on purpose in week three? Yeah, I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you what I know, Cam. Remember he was part of the Oregon Ducks. I hear you, but this is, we're not talking about college. We're talking about right now the NFL and the playoffs approaching the niggas is five and five.

Yeah, but he's family. When you lose the family, you don't feel that way. Mason, you're my family. If we play one-on-one, I'm not like you, I'm not gonna try and let you win. I'm just not. If we play space, I'm not gonna try and let you win. Unless you're telling me, y'all, I need,

I need you to do this. Besides that, we're gonna play a basketball game one-one. You're not gonna try and let me win. I'm not gonna try and let you. I just don't see it. Secondly, I'm more disgusted of your hats that the bears is up there, niggas was just telling me, oh, you believe in the beers?

The bear, you and Arabia, matter of fact, was like, the bears, the bears, Bears are leading a division, actually, matter of fact, too. I don't know we're talking about that today, but we'll get to it, but now the bears is in the middle of the courts and the Eagles. Wow, okay. This is crazy.

Yeah, I was gonna ask about that. How did you get the bear? That was, he took the words out of my mouth. Where did the bears come from? Why did you choose, are you trying to be, like, get in there on the ground floor and claim that you got there before everybody else believed in them, like, why are the bears there?

This is what most gold diggers do. I don't make this up. They get what you right before you take off and tell you, I was there from the beginning. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he wasn't with me shooting in the gym. Yeah, they come right when they see you about to take off and say, you know what?

Actually, when I was there, you didn't have none of this, but I was on my way and you knew it. That's what I look at it when it comes to the bed. Look at Stap face. I'm just so confused. First of all, I know I put in my transfer portal request, but the crib is still the crib and I was concise and I felt like I was being understanding.

Right here, you have three hats. Stats, some people got more options than others, but the crib is still the crib for me. Why is it different for you then? is for me. I don't like all this new philosophy up here. I can't wait to Michael Irvin come back with the big words because, you're confusing me, Statt. You're in the portal, but the crib is the crib. Yes, that was on the paperwork. That was crazy. I'm in the portal. I'm in the portal, but the crib is the crib. If the crib is the crib, then why are you in the portal? Because I made

it clear that my favorite player is Steph, so I'm going to support the Warriors, but the heat is still my team. I've never heard you in this whole time until you had them transfer paper to say that your favorite player was stuff. It is. I'm just saying, I'm not saying this. I'm just saying, I've never heard it until that week.

Secondly, you think because you bring a paper up here and it's drawn out well, like you're handed in a college assignment that it's acceptable that you abandoning your team and getting a second team because you had actual paperwork that you made it look professional. One thing that I will give you a ravee. At least you stick with your team like I stick with my team, even when the ship is sinking.

These, yeah, these niggas is out. These niggas find any reason. Lisa, the one thing that I'll give Mace, he don't care. Stats tries to bring paperwork in. Yes. And everything else. Exactly. Mesa tell you he's Don King.

I'm not sticking around for the rough time. I'm leaving with the winner. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you'll be a little. be staying tuned to see which one you choose because I'm real curious to see which one you end up going with. Okay. So moving along, the Rams beat the Seahawks, 21 to 19, bringing the Rams to an eight and two record time with the Eagles for best record in the NFC.

So Arabia, thoughts on that and then this game. Yeah, so I saw a lot of great back and forth in this Rams Seahawks game, particularly between the defenses. Both of these offenses get a lot of love and for a great reason. some amazing offensive highlights in this game. But I think we do need to spend a little bit of time talking about these defenses, especially the Rams defense. Like I said, Matthew Stafford gets spoken about for great reason and all the weapons around him, et cetera, with Sean McVeigh.

But this defense really held things down, especially getting the ball back into Matthew Stafford's hands so that he could put points on the board. This game that had four interceptions, one touchdown allowed, and 45.5 passer rating. So this was a great defensive. game for for me looking at the defenses um an amazing showdown between these division mates and i think that you know some teams are playoff contenders and we talk about who's going to make the

playoffs but like the rams are a real super bowl contender i can see the making or running the playoffs and potentially get into the big game so this was a really good game i'm not ready to cast all my vote on the rams i think you know week to week it seemed like they're making major improvements But it's still, when it all comes, when it comes down to it, I like Matthew Stafford. I just think what he's done years ago is not going to be able to be duplicated. I'm sorry, Arabia, I can't agree with you. The Rams will not be in the big game. The Rams will not win it all.

And the Rams will not even come out of their conference. I can't say that. At least you stick it to your guns because Arabia picked Seattle. to win. I told niggas this was going to happen on Friday. Now I picked the Rams. You sure? I think because a hundred percent sure. All right. I ain't going to disagree with you.

Maybe it was Mace. Matter of fact, you did pick the rim. Mace was hating and he's still hating. I don't know why he said, because that's right. I was saying that the Rams might should be undefeated. That's what I was talking about. I was like the games that they lost were really close. But yeah, it's Mace and then maybe this is what this is about today. You didn't even give a take on the game.

He just said, yo, the Rams won't make it. He just said nothing about the game or anything else, man. To me, what's more impressive about this game, to be totally honest with you is Seattle, they had a chance to still win this game towards the end of the game. And for them to throw, for Sam Don to throw four interceptions and still have a chance to win this game

was very, very impressive. They went on a drought, and Arabia alluded to the defense. It wasn't just the Rams defense. To me, it was also Seattle's defense. Seattle didn't score in the second and third quarter. And I was like, yo, this game is really, I didn't want to say boring, but I was saying that where the fuck of the points at? Because, you know, we had a good first quarter.

Seattle, they didn't score a touchdown until the last quarter. But I'm like, the defenses are good, but we have two elite quarter or two supposed to be elite quarter. And that brings to my point. That brings me to my point. Even though this isn't a playoff implicated game, this was for the best record in the league with a couple of other teams,

Sam Donald will not show up in the big game so far. And there's been three of them in the last couple in the last year and a half. And I'm like, yo, you have to show up for the big game. Now, his numbers were decent, but you can't throw them in the substance. There's one time you should have just took the sack the nigger did a jump pass and threw the shit right

to the other nigger, and I'm like, you cannot panic in these situations, bro. This is a very, very big game. You're on the road. You lost out on millions of dollars because you lost last year to the Lions. Then you fumbled, not literally, but you fumbled the checks figuratively in the playoffs. And now it's another big game, and you can't produce. You produce, but you can't throw four interceptions. But I am very impressed that Seattle still had a chance to win this game.

down to the wire. But the Rams, I love the Rams, and I like what they're doing. And I do think they have a chance to get to the Super Bowl. Will they make it or not? I'm not sure. But this is a tough, gritty game

that they pulled out. And congratulations to the, I called it. And Arabia called it. Yeah. And May still doesn't believe. I wish we put up our own bets because he was like,

there is no way and this and that, but like, what if it does happen? Can we think of something? Let's say hypothetically. You think the Rams can go, even win their conference. Who do you think they could beat? Give me the two teams you are for sure they're going to beat. That's at the top.

I mean, given that they are tied for the best record in the NFC, I think they could beat any team, except maybe the Eagles. And the NFL. Yeah. Well, that part. So you think they could beat the Eagles. Well, I think the Eagles are their biggest competition. So at that point, I would say any team.

Who's after that? That's what I'm saying, any team. No what I'm saying? Who's after that? When you sitting there thinking about who's the leaders in the NFC, you have the Eagles who lead their division. You have the Chicago Bears who lead their division. We have Tampa Bay who lead their division,

and then you got the Rams. So if you talk about the leaders of divisions, we already know Chicago. I'm not putting a bunch of... In Chicago, Philly. I don't know. Green Bay, of course, they're not leading the division, but they could be a threat, a possibility.

It looked like a possibility that the Rams could go. Their division, don't get it fucked up. It's stacked up, too. You got San Francisco. Brock Purdy just came back. In Seattle, you're not going to sit there and count them out, but if you're talking about the division leaders, who could beat them,

that's a better question for you. That's a better question for you. Who do you think could beat them in the NFC? Especially the Eagles. The Eagles definitely. I would even say Green Bay could beat them on a given Sunday. We're not talking about their records. No, I know, but right now, I don't even think.

They meet in the cold. They meet in the cold, frozen temperature. You got the Rams, which is a sunset team, and you put them in the cold. I don't think they get it done in Green Bay, if they had to play in Green Bay. But if they got a better record. They got a better record.

That's what I'm trying to say. Like, I don't think, like, I think they would beat the Packers, too. In the cold? Like, I think that. If they ended up in the cold, that's why I referenced it with in the frozen cold. Even aside from weather, I still think, I think that they're a really strong team given the record that they have. Like, that's what I'm like, I think they could be any team. No, that's good, but they're not planning the frozen yet.

This is these next couple of months is the frozen time. This is when it is when that record starts changing. That's why we call it. You know, like that championship time or like the best time in football. As it get colder, those games change. Those games you would win in early November and late October is not the same. It's the same way for Miami when you get to the cold. It's different.

But also with that argument, again, we didn't expect the Chiefs to be five and five, but they've been losing games that we expected them to win. So I think at this point there's no reason to put any other team up against them. You're trying to throw salt on in the city. The proof is in the pudding. Like that's just that. That's what it is. I'm just like, I don't.

And that's the thing, too. I'll get what you say amaze. Like, certain teams can't play in the cold. But if your record is better than Green Bay, they're not going to the cold. I get that. But they got time. Green Bay isn't far behind.

Still got seven and eight weeks. Remember this. Mark this take neck. Because I'll be looking for it if you're not already. not already bought, you know? Yo, Nick, let's just do all the takes that the Chief's supposed to win. That should be five takes, because they got five losses. Like, literally the other week, he said,

well, they got the buy. So of course they're going to beat the Broncos because the buy, like, they are going to be rested up. And we thought they were going to be rested up, and they weren't. That's what I'm saying, like, every week has been different. Are we talking about the Rams of the Chiefs? Because right now, I'm really taking on a negative

bias right now. I just think when your team loses, which has happened to all of us, we got to face the heat. And today is your day. You're talking about face the heat. I'm talking about planning the cold. We're on two different pages. Yeah, but murder, you're making up

imaginative scenarios too, though. The Rams win. You're like, well, when they get to the cold, who said they get to the cold? I'm not making this up. Winter comes every year. Yeah, but it depends on when you're at it. Winter in Miami is different from Winter in Buffalo. That's why I didn't see the Groundhog.

Like for us. Oh, my goodness. You got a Colts shirt hat. Your dad is wilding right now. I've got a Colt's up here. Now he in Green Bay and the frozen tundra is crazy, man. But at least I'm happy you say you leave him with the winner. That's, you said it.

So, you know. So if the Rams win, he's with the Rams too. No, not winning. That's what I'm saying. I think there's no way the Rams beat the Eagles. I think there's no way. They lost already to the Eagles, but I don't think it's far-fetched to think. Right now, to me, I don't know we're going to get to the Eagles game today or not,

but the Eagles, to me, they just find ways to win, even if it's ugly. They find ways around. Okay, moving on to this next game. So the Ravens win their fourth consecutive game after beating the Browns' 23rd. to 16. Chador made his NFL debut after Dylan Gabriel had to exit early due to concussion protocol. So, Arabia, what did you think of his debut and then that game as a whole? I was really, really excited to see 12 come on the field. I know we all can criticize his game and say that he holds him to the ball for too long, this, that, and the third. But you can criticize

everybody's game. And I think it's okay to point out things where he can get better, but also root for him. So I'm definitely rooting for him. I was really really. really excited to see him step on the field. But here's the thing. If Joe Flacko was benched in Cleveland, gets shipped off in his division and starts balling with another team, then Dylan Gabriel comes in. Dylan Gabriel faced some of the same challenges that we saw Shador Sanders face today.

They're both getting sacked. They're both just kind of in these precarious situations. I think the Brown's offense is bad. If you've gone through three different quarterbacks and all three at some point have gone through very similar struggles, and one of them was actually benched and chipped away. I think it has more to do than just with the quarterback. Also, a lot of people are talking about how Shador Sanders

hasn't gotten any reps with the ones. A couple of things about that. Most backup quarterbacks don't get reps with the ones. That's very normal. If you're a backup quarterback in the NFL, most of the time, you don't get reps with the ones. Now, the thing that kind of throws that off is that Dylan Gabriel was getting reps with the ones, and head coach said, well,

the reason why he's getting wrestled with the ones is because Joe Flacco is a veteran. He doesn't need all the reps. We can share it with the rookie. So I think people who are expecting the same thing. Well, if Dylan Gabriel got reps with the ones, then why didn't Shador Sanders? And there's a whole thing about it. Either way, if he's the backup in the NFL, usually the thought is that you come in and you're prepared. So I think, considering the fact that the Brown's offense is just off, regardless of who's in at quarterback,

Shador is really getting reps with the ones for the first time since being drafted. And he's coming in against a Ravens defense. I'm not jacking all this Shador doesn't look good. Like we just got to give him a lot of grades. He's a rookie, and there's a lot that stacked up against him. So I was excited to see him. I'm rooting for him. And I hope we get to see him again.

But also, I hope that Dylan Gabriel gets well. And I hate to see it under these circumstances, but I'm rooting for Shador. I hope that he does well. Yeah, yeah. Shout out to how you say his name, Dylan, Gabriel. I definitely hope he gets well. I was really excited to see Shador get up. on the field. But the one thing I was thinking when he, as soon as he came in, the first thing

that went through my mind is like, why do you bring them back against this team? Like if there was a team to come back against, this is already a team that's supposed to be in the past known for great defense. And now you bring Shador. And they can't, they can't afford to allow Shador to go crazy. So they did what they were supposed to do. I think it was very unfortunate. He came in against the Ravens and and um what but he did get a shot so then when you when your number is called you got to be ready i just look at it like that but i definitely think like as time go on he'll get better and he'll and he'll he'll motivate that team all the inspiration they're looking for hopefully bring that to the table because there's a lot riding on this it looked like

it looked like they just throw them in there like to the wolves to me that's what it looked like to me. Mace, what if Dylan Gabriel get a concussion, what was, what else was they supposed to do? They could have put them in before the concussion, Kelly. Yeah, I'm about to leave the whole show. I'm not. You can't wait. Like, you know, you get, you get, you get to put the niggins against the ball. That's just getting crazy. You can't put them in there against the ball. That's crazy. I predict the concussion is about to happen.

Let's get the door in there. No, listen, Killer, let me explain it. If you asked me a high question. I'm listening. I'm listening. I'm listening. I'm listening. We just saw a giant team.

Is this correct Arabia and stat? Where the coach went in the tent and knew this guy was under concussion protocol and said still leave them in. I don't care what. Don't put, what was that, Russell Wilson in, right? So there's time. when they could overrule it. They just chose, I just think right now

that if you're gonna place your door, you gotta give him more leeway to get ready for the games. That was a terrible example. That was terrible. Yeah. I was a terrible. Bro, that was, like, you're usually good at spinning that one wasn't good.

The way it happened, he was trying to rush him out of concussion protocol to take Russell Wilson out, but that was a violation because he's not supposed to do that as a coach. Yeah, it wasn't like, that was the prediction. He wasn't. What I'm basically saying, I'm on the hot seat, but what I'm basically saying is,

Shador cannot just be thrown in there against the Ravens. Like, you can't throw them in there against the Packers. And what I'm saying is you. If you're going to bring them along, bring them along slowly. Don't expect them to do well. That would be a better way to say it. Don't expect them to do well if you throw them in there against an elite team.

What I'm saying is they're not throwing them in there. It's just the way it goes. The nigger got a concussion, you didn't next man up. No, I understand that. Yeah, so I look, both of y'all are right. He looked, look, he didn't get, Rabia, you made a really valid point because I didn't, you know, I wasn't going to say that. But if he's not getting the reps and getting the practice and you know he's your backup

quarterback, look, any fucking quarterback could go down at any minute. You have to be ready as a backup quarterback. It don't matter what team you win. But if you're not getting the reps and not getting the practice that you're supposed to get, and then you just randomly get thrown in the game, you know, not, you know, thrown in, but you have to go in because you're the backup quarterback. Don't expect a lot of production.

Like, the nigger didn't fucking get no practices. Because the plan was not to put Shador in. Y'all didn't think Dylan Gabriel could get hurt, but anybody could get hurt any fucking minute. In Arabia, you made some other great points. It's a problem with fucking Cleveland's offense. Their defense is tremendous. They have great defense, but their offense is a problem.

I think that you said it. I don't know if you said it on this show, Arabia, or you said it on your show. You said that if you take Cleveland's defense and the Bengals' offense and put them together, then you got a complete great team. And that's a fact. Even though the Bengals didn't play great on offense today, they fucking had 80 points in two games. Cleveland has a great defense. And these two niggas need to meet in Columbus.

halfway in between both fucking cities because both of them can't, one can't do nothing on offense, one can't do shit on defense. But back to Shador, shit, he didn't fucking get a chance. And I think to be totally honest with you, when he got in the game, you've seen that shit, bro. The defensive coordinator for the Ravens was like, yeah, we got one. We got one. And not to Shador's discredit, but he knows that he probably isn't getting

the reps, that Arabia said not just getting the reps, he hasn't played all season. So they dialed up every blitz package they could get. The boy was getting blitzed out of control to the point where he got sacked. Now the defensive niggas after the sack they celebration, they doing all this after the fucking celebration. I'm like, I mean, after they sacked him, I felt really bad for him out there. Not because, you know, that's my little bro and all that shit. But the end of the day, it just looks like they weren't ready. In Arabia, you bought some great points up. But I think this is what I will say.

When you are in pre-concussion protocol, you out next week too. So Dillon Gabriel will not be playing next week if it's a concussion situation. So Shador has all week to practice with the team, with the offense, and hopefully he'll get some good reps and they'll play better next week. But yeah, you know, how May said it,

they threw them, they definitely threw them to the walls, That's just part of football. When you're the second, when you're next man up, it can be any given Sunday that any quarterback gets hurt. Yeah. But also to Mesa's point, like, it does really suck because people are just going to use this as the thing to be like, oh, we told you Shador shouldn't have been in, da-da-da.

It's like the whole situation for them is just, like, we already know Deshaun, we already know that it's Deshaun watching situation. Then you got Dillon Gabriel, then you got Shador. Like, you can only go between the two. So just the fact that this was the situation is just like, damn. hoping there's upside but then also on the other side even there's just just in this game alone

the Ravens didn't look too hot either because we saw that the Browns were ahead for most of the game and all of the mistakes yeah all the mistakes like they were able to catch up but just the whole the whole game in general was was real interesting to watch but I'm hoping that but see to be honest what you said to add on to what you're saying it and like I said I'm not fucking throw a salt on the wound yeah but it kind of started going to Ravens way when The Shadour got in. Yeah. Just the fact, they scored 13 points in the fourth quarter.

Yeah. And it's like, it's fucked up. Yeah, it's a real, real mess up situation. But next they play the Raiders, so should be, I don't know. I don't know. He got to call Tom Brady. He definitely got to call Tom Brady in and get dialed in because I really hope he does exceptionally well because I think the situation that they get.

got them in is one where it's predicted to fail and they're trying to put them in a position to fail. I don't even think the organization of the Browns want them to succeed. And that's a crazy take to say, but that's what is given. You know, it's not given that they want them to succeed at all. So I don't think if they lose another game that they're surprised or that they even care at this point. If he, if he does well, it's going to be just because he wants to do well and that's the pedigree that he comes from and I hope he listened to this and take that into consideration

just because everybody wants you to fail around you doesn't mean you give in to that and allow that to be true I hope you have a breakout game next week but it's still a damn if you do and Dan if you don't situation because then you know if they do beat the Raiders people are saying well it's the Raiders

so I'm just hoping well they're the Browns they're like yeah they're fucking all the Browns is just as bad Yeah, all I'm going to say is good luck to him. Okay, we're going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss the bills versus the bucks.

Don't go anywhere. What's up, big dog? What's up, big dogs? Martin Luther King Jr. will be alive today if To It was the shooter. To his passer rating can barely go to the club and get a bottle. 24.1 passerated against the brown. Marlon Humphrey is online saying that he wants to go on a glizzy tour. He wants to go to 50 states in Toronto.

550 glocks. It's going to be challenging for A.J. Brown. He typically stands outside the numbers a lot, and that's where PS2 thrives. C.D. Lamb said this is one of the best offenses he's been a part of, and as much as I hate to say it, I can see why he says that. I just said all these positive things about the Cowboys must be want to throw up. So I know it's taboo to put your hands on your kids. I know, but I had to whip your son the other day.

When I evaluate rookies, the best thing I can always say about, the ones that are doing the best, they understand past protection. Pass Pro is where you see some rookie struggle. He's not doing that. I'm liking what I'm seeing so far. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. So today the Cowboys will play the Raiders.

Underdog has Dak Prescott at one and a half passing touchdowns. Do you have higher, lower mace? I'm going to go higher. I normally don't do anything favorable with the, Um, with that, but I'm, I'm going to go higher on this. Yeah, I'm going to higher too. It's the rate. Okay.

George Pickens is at 64 and a half receiving yards. Do you have higher, lower cam? Hi. Yes, higher. And Ashton Genty is at 63 and a half rushing yards. Do I'm higher or lower mace? I'm going to go higher. No, I'm going to low.

Okay. Make sure y'all download the underdog app and you can make your picks too. So the bills beat the bugs, That's 44 to 32. This 44 to 32 score is the fourth score gami in the NFL this season. Arabia, how do you feel about the bucks loss and the bills winning? So before we get to the actual game, Keon Coleman was benched and Sean McDermott said before the game very vaguely had nothing to do with performance and he actually had a great week

of practice. They just needed to see more from him, like he was just being very vague about it. forward. Now we know Shaw McDermott alleges that it's because Keon Coleman missed a meeting. So Dionne Dawkins spoke about it in the locker room from a veteran perspective and was like, look, he has to grow up. So hopefully Keon Coleman and the bills can work internally on whatever is going on with him that led to them benching him because of him missing meetings and whatever else it might be so that he can be available and on the field and the bills can have him and he can be productive. But on to the actual game, Josh Allen had three passing touchdowns and three

rushing touchdowns. Not only is he the only player in NFL history to do that. He's done it twice. So definitely showing you like, look, he can definitely put this team on his back and do what he needs to do. And we talked last episode, right? All of us talked about how the bills have the most pressure on them in this game to win it. And that's exactly what Josh Allen went out and did. He went out and won this game. The Bucks on the other hand, the Bucks defense over the last two games have given up 850 yards and 72 points. So that's very, very concerning. Right now, they leave the NFC South, but it could tilt towards Carolina, potentially. The Carolina Panthers have won two of their last three games.

The Bucks have lost three of their last four. So just something to look out for, and the Bucks have the Rams coming up. So it very well could be four of their last five after next week. So something to look out for, the NFC South is not secured. It kind of goes back and forth between, it could go back and forth between Carolina and the books. Yes, I think when it comes to the best, They did exactly what they should be doing. You know, oftentimes, even from me, I'm the main person says that Josh Allen doesn't get it done when it really, really counts.

I think this is one of those games that he took personal, you know, that I'm way above this guy, Baker-Mayfield. I know we think he's kind of good, and we never did put them on the same level. I'm not saying that. But when you get to these type of games where this is a must, I thought this was a must-win game for the best. just so they can keep moving in a direction that's away from what I said they normally do around this time, which is start going in the opposite direction and end up losing in the playoffs to the Chiefs. So it's just given all of the criteria to show people that it is a new year. This year, I'm not sure who will win it. It looked like Buffalo is trying to do their thing

the most side of the FC, and I'm really looking forward to seeing who comes. out of that at this point, but when you think of Josh Allen, what you said, he had three touchdowns running and three touchdowns passing. It was just no way that the Bucks was going to beat a team when Josh Allen is playing that well. It's just impossible. I told, I told niggas. I told niggas, man. Tampa Bay may not win this division. I said this. Niggas act like I was barking. I don't know if Mike, Irv, I don't know who the fuck I'll be arguing with up here sometime. Just be arguing with me.

All of us. When I be saying shit, he's like I'll be fucking bugging and shit. Yo, Tim. Ray. As well, I was like, I don't know if it's a rabies. I don't want accusing me arguing with her. But somebody was acting like I was bugging when I said the North Carolina could potentially win

this motherfucking division. I don't know. I ain't gonna do a rabie. Like, it might have been Mike. I don't know. But somebody act like I was, I was just saying shit to be saying. saying shit to be saying. It might have been a rabia.

I don't know, I don't know, but. I don't remember that, but if it was, hey, you was right. If it was me, you was right. I don't remember that, though. I don't know, I don't know, because I remember we was, matter of fact, I'm not gonna put that on you, but I remember we was talking about, like you said, who had more pressure to win this game.

And I definitely said Buffalo, because early in the week, Patriots had already won. Y'all think about this, Buffalo is still a game and I have outside. side of the lead in the division. Now, look, they don't have to win the division to go to the playoffs. Their record is very good and still be able to go to playoffs. They just may not be the division won in this season.

We still have time and tell. But Josh Allen just looked amazing, and he looked head and shoulders above Baker Mayfield. Three rushing touchdowns. And not only that, three throwing touchdowns, pass a touchdown and three running Russian touchdowns, Josh Allen is two touchdowns away from being the all-time NFL quarterback leader in rushing touchdowns, period, which is kind of crazy to me being that he's still so young. So he's a couple touchdowns away.

You know, you would think of somebody like Michael Vick or you would think of somebody like Lamar Jackson. But for Josh Allen to be, or even fucking, what's the push touch? I know he don't get a lot, but no. Yeah, I'm niggas. Josh Allen's two touchdowns away from being an all-time leading quarterback with Russian touchdowns. Buffalo looked really good. It's a great win for them.

And I'm really interested to see how this wires down between them and the Patriots as we pushed towards the end of the season. A great win for Buffalo. Let me ask y'all something before we move on. Do you think this game kind of messed up the MVP race between him and Drake Mays? Do you think Josh Allen is more up front now? No, because Drake May in them is winning, too. Drake May is with the page, to be honest with you,

I mean, this looked good for Josh Allen individually. Yeah. But if we're talking about individual and team, Drake May in the division. They are ahead of the bills. If you ask for me right now, if I had to pick between either one of them, I'm going with new hotness.

You like that. You're getting to him now, Stad. I'm saying, wow. I like, I'm a big, big, big, Josh Allen fan. It feels personal, but I'm saying if you think about it, then you, we all right, like, cool. Good established older young white boy.

Then you got the young, young white boy. Let's get his name out there. his name out there. The league is good when the Patriots win, man. It's a good league. They'll start pushing Drake May if they start winning. Right now, my opinion, if they had to pick a winner, today, they would go with Drake

May. But I like Josh Allen better. Me personally, I trust Josh Allen better. In Arabia, real quick, who would you choose between the two? Drake, May, or Josh Allen? Just curious. I completely agree with Cam. And just even to take it further, I know how the Associated Press gets down. And when it comes to

AP voting at the end of the season, These regular season awards aren't solely about stats and how they perform. It's about a narrative. It's storytelling for them. It's something that they're trying to push on the audience, on the league, in the future. And they would most definitely, not saying that they wouldn't give it to Josh Allen back to back, but they are way more likely to push a Drake May in the Patriots and try to, you know, push that storytelling and that narrative. Yeah, all that.

So I completely agree. I think AP would go with Drake May before they would go with Josh Allen twice a new. two in a row okay let me ask you this real quick they they didn't play twice yet right when's that second game that that's when that's when we'll find out that's when uh when the patriots play the bills for the second time december 14th coming up that's gonna that's gonna say a lot good test for sure okay moving on so the lions lost to the eagle 16 to 9 Arabia what were your takeaways from this game oh man so dan campbell said that he was going to take over play calling before week 10 and he took over play calling for the first time last week like week 10 against the

commanders and everyone was like oh dad campbell looks so good taking over play calling and i'm like it's against the commanders relax like the first real test for him taking over play calling will be against the eagles and i think we saw today he needs to give the controller back to john morton he He needs to get off the sticks because the offense just looks very vanilla, not creative at all. And I don't just mean just there are no trick plays. I just mean personnel and play calling just did not look right. So I think Dan Campbell needs to give the control back to John Morton, in my opinion. They were 0 for five on fourth downs.

And you know, that's a huge part of their identity. If Philly is known for the tush push, part of the lion's identity is being aggressive and trusting their guys and going for it on fourth down. And they were not successful one time. Like I said, O for five. So I thought this game, like someone else, I said, I don't know if it was Mesa or if it was Cam, but Philly just finds a way to win. And I think when you're playing all three phases of football, special teams, defense, offense, no matter who is on and who is hot and who's not, you already know that your entire team is showing up in some way you're going to win the game. This was a great win for Philly. So early congratulations for the Eagles breaking the NFC East non-repeat winner over the last 20 years.

early congratulations for winning the NFC East and breaking that streak. Yeah, I think this was devastating for the Lions for several reasons because when you're the Lions, this is one of those games that they should win and that they should have went out there with much more energy to win because as you start beating teams like the Eagles during today, I mean, yesterday's game, then what happens is the morale and the and the, continuity even strengthens. But when you start losing these games, it's like, are we on repeat to go in the same direction that we've been going in the last couple of years where we win

a great amount of games only to get to the playoffs and lose? And for some reason, I just have a forward thinking mind. So I just think that this is bad. I think everything about this is bad for the Lions. And I'm not even focused on the Eagles right now. The Lions, this is horrible for them. Yeah, Raybius said it, and that's what's going to be my point.

You, like you say, niggas fuck with Dan Campbell because he'd be taking chances. And sometimes he'd be like, yo, you wilding. I remember the year he took chances in the playoffs and they cost them niggas to playoffs and niggas was like, yo, you keep going on for

on 4th down. But today, 0 for 5 on 4th down, which they've never done. They like, like you said Arabia, that's a big part of their fucking game going for it on 4th and not to get it one time. It was crazy, but you also got to give credit to the Eagles defense. It was a time, it was a stretch during that game where Jared Goff was fucking 2 for 18. He couldn't get a clean pass off in the pocket the whole time. Like the Eagles front line, um, defensive line, pardon me was on that nigga, bro. the Eagle defense look really good and maybe that's what the fuck

AJ Brown is mad about because to me the offense don't look that good. AJ Brown was complaining earlier during the week he was basically saying how look our defense is helping us win our offense is not helping us do shit and I'm like yo this is more shit why don't you just shut up

just be quiet. Arabia says she don't mind them talking me and Mace was like I think it's detrimental to the team but he's definitely talking and he's saying that the defense is the ones winning these games and today it definitely looked like it. But when you go to A.J. Brown, it was the last

player of the game, not last play of the game, kind of to seal the game. You throw it to them on like third and eight. They called a defensive penalty on the lines, which I think it was an offensive pass interference, if anything else, my personal opinion. But you're not even putting no effort in. I was

looking at that shit. I'm like, I'm not throwing the A.J. Brand. We're just going to have to figure something out. Tight end, Smith, if I got to run, got him out there for a decoy, whatever. His lackluster effort is just ridiculous at this point, bro. It's crazy, man. And then another thing, this nigger fucking Siriani,

you don't, you go for, he goes forward on fourth down with the Tishpus don't get it, put the lions on their own 30-yard line. They end the one, they get to potentially lost that game to him. I know I'm getting deep on the whole game for us. But the fucking Eagles, the last couple weeks, what Siriani did in the fourth quarter, Could have cause the Eagles the game. Luckily, they came away with it.

But to me, the reason the Eagles are really winning is because of their defense. Saquan Barkley only got two Russian over 20, two times rushing over 20 yards this whole season, which is crazy compared to what he's been doing, not just last year, but his whole career. If I'm not have only two 20-plus-yard Russian, I mean, if I'm stuttering the worst. Russia for more than 20 yards twice this season, that's why. Wow. That's wow. But they win. That's what I'm saying. They win. They win. That's what matters. Right. Okay. And the Bengals lost to the Steelers 34 to 12. Arabia, how do you feel about the Steelers win? Start trying to say this for the last.

You're so predictable. I'm not mad at a girl. We see your clockbeat. First of all, before we even talk about the Steelers, Jamar Chase spit on Jalen Ramsey and try to act like he didn't. If you're gonna do something like spit on somebody very much on purpose, cameras everywhere. What makes you think we're not gonna see you? We saw you. Do you know we can see you? We saw you spit on him and then go and lie

and say that you didn't. Spitting on somebody is one of those things you gotta stay in Tantosin. Like, I did. Don't go be like, no, I didn't. Yes, you did. It was on purpose. We saw you gather your breath and spit a luggy at Jalen Ramsey. And then Jailen Ramsey, of course, gets reprimanded

for it because, you know, if you didn't see the spit, it really looks like he's wild. So he gets put out of the game. It's some things that I understand the football, trash talking, sometimes when they get in the fights, all that type of stuff. But spitting is one of the most disrespectful things you can do to a person, and it goes beyond football.

So if I was Jaylon Ramsey, you know, maybe we need anger, issues, or therapy, whatever, I would have the same thing because you're not about to spit on me. So that's just number one, that was disgusting, and I never want to see that again. But the Steelers did what they had to do. I mean, it's pretty much more of the same with, you know, this situation. I think for the most part, the Steelers are trying to stay on top of the

AFC North. They're only one game ahead of the Ravens. And I think they are looking at the Ravens try to claw their way back up that division and are like, okay, look, we got to make sure that we're accumulating and stacking as many wins as we can to make sure that we can stay on top of this division and get our ticket to the playoffs. So, you know, this was pretty much how the game, we expected the game to go. Yeah. I mean, when it's all saying, done stat remember this the the ravens will win this division so i don't know why you're so excited it's going to be a big letdown you know you saved it for last thinking you trumped us and we'll leave out with the with the win of the stillers i don't have time for this this morning killer

it's on you i said this when lamar jackson came back now everybody's on board with the baltimore Ravens won the division. Macy was like, y'all, don't rush them back. I don't know why Jamar and Lamar Jackson. That was the one game, Cam. I don't know, I'm just saying what you said. Look, this is really about stat. Yeah.

Stat, enjoy. Have your fun. Head and start. You know, like, you know when somebody's running from somebody and you keep looking back, and they keep getting closer. He's like, yo, this nigger catch you up, yo. That's exactly what's going on right now. I don't really have much to say about this game.

We knew this was going to happen. Look, I've been lost hope in the Bengals. Like I said, I'm going to go when the ship sinks, whatever you want to phrase it, but we have no defense. That's why when he's talking about motherfucking Joe Burroughs potentially coming back, I'm like, was he going to play free safety? What the fuck?

but you're going to play on the fucking defensive line. What are you rushing them back for if we can't stop shit? Let that nigga heal all the way and be 100% healthy for whenever you do get back because we can't do shit on defense. So I told, niggas, the day Lamar Jackson comes back, if he stays healthy, Baltimore's going to win this division, they're on your ass stack.

They won game behind, my nigga. So Arabia made a great point. Stack up all the games you can, y'all got to play them again. You know that, right? You know y'all got to play them, nigga, right? Instead, are you going to throw Aaron Rogers away after y'all lose? Well, no.

Well, first of all, he had a left wrist injury. So even with our backup quarterback, Mason Rudolph, we still put off the win. So it's like we're winning with those. The second thing. It doesn't matter. Second thing I'm going to say everybody wants to say something all of a sudden. I actually have my team has a better record than everybody on the show between Cam,

between Mace, between Arabia. between Mike so yes I'm gonna talk my shit a little bit because who knows who your team is my football team has been very clear from the jump I have no idea very clear have you had transfer papers for that if Cam had to guess what my team is he would guess it correct because we all know who my team is because it's been very clearly stated to guess who my team is they would know that that's also that's true I'll give you that I can't I can't argue with that we know who your team is but I won't leave my team.

You just left your basketball team. Yeah, you just said the crib is the crib. Yeah, the crib is the clear. But you're in the portal. This is very, I feel like this is so clear. Like, everybody knows this. I don't even have to vouch for myself. That's why I actually are you going to throw Aaron Rogers away after you guys don't win?

I'm going to stick with Aaron Rogers as long as he is our quarterback. I like that. I like that for you, Statt. That is my answer. answer. This game, I mean, yeah, like we just were dominant throughout the whole game. I think our defense actually did good in this game. Fun little fact, we actually lead the NFL and points off turnovers because we had some really good plays that ended up benefiting us in our favor. I'm hoping Aaron Rogers has a speedy recovery with his left wrist because we would

want him back before this next game. Mason Rudolph is a good backup for us, but obviously we know he's not the answer. I do want to circle back to the whole spitting situation, though, that Arabia brought up between Jalen Ramsey and Jemar Chase because it was interesting because when Jemar Chase was asked about it, he tried to completely pretend like nothing happened. And I don't even like the way that he spoke about Jalen Ramsey talking about some,

I never opened my mouth to that guy. I don't know where all that came from. We know that they've been going back and forth for a little bit, but it was a lot. So I'm wondering how that's gonna be handled if it gets handled at all. I mean, I'm assuming we'll just continue. Yo, Nick, I'm gonna send this

to the show. It's a stat in a Baltimore Ravens jersey. Yes, I literally explained this picture so many time. So for you new viewers who are seeing that, first of all, go follow me on IG, go like that picture because it was a cute picture. Second of all, yes, I wore the jersey. That's crazy. Because I had to borrow that from my friend. You had to borrow it.

Went through this before. Yes. Yeah, but you're not supposed to borrow just anything. I know you shouldn't borrow just anything, but it was a jersey event. I had to wear a jersey and she, I had to wear her jersey. So you wear your enemy's jersey? Let me ask you something, Mesa, if you go, if you, if you, if you're a Crip and you got to go to a gang event and you ain't got no flag, is you taking the blood flag and just put it on because it's a gang members event? That's what I'm trying to say.

That has another, I have another example, right? So growing up, if you don't know, I am in a sorority. I mean, AKA our colors are pink and green. Growing up, my mother, some other sororities had different colors. I wasn't allowed to wear the different colors, but sometimes the colors had to be worn. Like, that's just what it was. But you wouldn't wear Delta jacket.

Not a jacket, no. Exactly. You're in a Baltimore. You're not wearing the colors of Baltimore. Yes, I had to borrow her jersey for a Ravens jersey. And I made that clear, and that's also why when you swipe through it, maybe it didn't make sense and it didn't translate.

and I see that now. There's a meme at the end. There's no loyalty up there of nobody. It makes so much sense. The caption and the meme go hand in hand. If you understood it, you did. If you didn't, you didn't. But y'all know where I stand.

You'll know my team and that's that. Because at least you tell you what it is. Yeah, it is what it is with me. The niggas up here with three different teams. I'm sorting out my choices. All right. I support that 100%. See, this is what I mean, killer.

This is hard. No, no. Hold on, let her talk. She said, but. But. Yeah, but, but this is just for Arabia, right? So, you know, I do my NFL nails, right? So this, this week, this month, I have the AFC East on my left hand,

so I have, like, Bell's Mafia, I have the Brady jersey, I have dolphins that I have jets. On my right hand, I have the NFC East. So I have the Eagles, I have the commanders, I have the Giants. I'm not putting the same. star on my nail. I said, make this one just blue and silver. She said, you don't want the star? I said, and don't. Make this one kind of ugly. Like, don't even make this one that cute. So for the Dallas one, I'm not putting no star. I just said, do a little color scheme and we'll just call it that. But, you know, even for some of my skits that I've done, I'll just put on, like, in post editing, I'll, like, post something instead of putting the actual shirt on. So, like, putting the Dallas jersey on for me, it's like a punishment, like, if I lose a bet. But you know, I still support you, that 1,000 percent. The picture is It was a cute picture.

It was a one-time thing for an event. I've explained that, and that's why I put the meme at the end so people would know where I still stay. It's literally Steelers at the end to show y'all where home is. I always say that, but you didn't get it. The mark was missed. It's fine. I understand.

I accept it. I don't know where home is for you. It was cute. First of all, and thanks for letting me know that the Steelers play the Ravens twice. They still haven't, they didn't even played on me yet this year. But one minute, I'd see you on Instagram talking about. I'm at the crib and you're in Miami, but you're not from Miami. Like, I don't understand where's the crib is?

Florida, as a whole, it's just Florida has so many homes to me. Like I said, I was born in Jacksonville, grew up in Tampa. I lived my adult life in Miami and that's that. What, but we hardly ever hear you say Jacksonville is the crib. Jack, I was born there. That's that birth certificate city. Oh my goodness. I'm not going to do it.

I know where home is. You already know, that's all I'm going to say. But that is all the time that we have for today. Arabia, you know, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. Yes, thank you so much for having me. And remember, my show comes out Tuesday through Friday at 2 p.m. Eastern Time. So I will see all my big dogs on Tuesday. See, period.

Make sure y'all check that out. Yeah, check Arabia out, check Mo out with, you know, start with the facts. Yes, sir. And as you can see up here, that is not going to start with the facts. I'm out, too. We started with the facts because your team isn't what you thought it was going to be.

But thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is. You know,