IT IS WHAT IT IS - IT'S TIME TO RETIRE THE YANKEE HAT, THIBS OUT AS KNICKS COACH & MASSAGES AT THE CLUB!

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

Ma$e, Cam’ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one!! On this episode, the streets are saying that Cam'ron is the Journalist of the year after his interview with The Punisher from the Diddy trial on his show "Talk With Flee", Mase thinks that it might be time to retire the NY Yankee hat, do you guys agree? Then, we dive into (pause) the Knicks letting go of Tom Thibodeau after making it to the ECF for the first time in 25 years, was this the right move? Next, we debate who should be the next Knicks coach and Lebron James was getting treatment at the club?! ***NEW MERCH*** ⁠https://www.itiswhatitismerch.com⁠ Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog app. Use code MASE, CAM, or STAT to get up to $1,000 in bonus funds with your first deposit! Follow the show and our hosts on social media: ⁠It Is What It Is⁠, ⁠Cam'Ron⁠, ⁠Ma$e,⁠ and ⁠Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson⁠ , ⁠Producer Ayooo Nick⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello y'all, uh I was selling crack on a private jet up in a hell and back But no confusion, this a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Yeah, Murda here, he countin' money He said, can't man the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga

Black fences and white vigas Now I'm out here and I'm lookin' for more chandeliers and light pictures Nah, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is, this episode is sponsored by Underdog. The app is the easiest way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in over 30 states including Georgia, Missouri, and Texas just to name a few. So NBA Finals week is here so don't miss your final shot to use the extender on Underdog. Apply your token to your Game 1 picks and unlock bigger boosts each game this series. The longer it goes the bigger the boost gets so here's who we got for Game 1.

Y'all can see it on the screen. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the underdog app. Use code MACE, CAM, or STAT to get up to a thousand dollars in bonus funds with your first deposit. I'm Treasurer Wilson, AKA STATbaby, along with your hosts Mace and Cam. Cam, what's up man? I like that color, man.

Oh man, it's your color. Yeah, that's like, that's mauve, what they call it. It's called mauve. That's nice color, man. How you doing, bro? Yeah, I'm doing good. You did a great job, man. Oh man, we talking about my interview? Yeah. Thank you, man. I appreciate it.

Cameron Walters. Yeah, I'm working on my journalism. You asked the right question. Thank you, man. That means my journalism, man. You asked the right question. Thank you, man. That means a lot, man. I know we came up together, but you're like my mentor a little bit. I appreciate that.

Yeah, you did. You went to another level yesterday. Pause, but thank you. Pause. Yeah. Thank you, man. That was a wild interview. Yeah.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I was like, what happened was the reason I even conducted the interview, cause he was on outlets like CNN and Bob, probably not Barbara, Nancy grace and Fox news. And I'm like, these ain't the questions. Yo, what's the thing that the mother of the will, what's that called? I do, pardon me, I job no disrespect. Yeah, no disrespect. Yeah, yeah.

You ever seen them around the studio? It might've been making sense, man. That shit was coming in that gap. Yeah, man. Y'all trust your instincts, man. Yeah, I'm glad I trusted my instincts. Yeah, man. Yeah.

Yeah, profit for real. Shit legit. Yeah. I got a really good question for you and all of the rappers that's from New York. Do we stop wearing Yankee hats? That's a great question. That's a great question. Niggas gotta stop wearing the Yankee hat. After your interview I saw somebody walking down the street with the Yankee hat and I was like whoa. That's a good point.

The Yankee hat. The baby blue and white might be over. I'm sorry. Yo that is a great point. I'm sorry. The Yankee hat might be over, I'm sorry. Yo, that is a great point. I'm sorry, the Yagi-Yat might be over. You might see Yagi-Yat and be like, no, did he was sorry. That's a great point, man. I don't know if niggas ready to go to the match yet. Yeah, man.

That's a great question, man. You might have to cross over to the match. You might have to make it black and silver or something. Yeah, man. Maybe, that was crazy. Yeah, silver or something. Yeah, man. Maybe. That was crazy. Yeah, that's a great question, man. I don't know.

I don't know. We got to see. Let us know in the comments. Let us know what we should do about the Yankee credit, man. And then, Kim, actually a quick question regarding the interview. Was anything that he said, I mean, it was all pretty shocking, but like, did anything really stand out to you that you just didn't expect that he said?

Yeah. He was like, you know, cause you know what it is, is seriously, it's like Mase just said, well, not Mase said, but just in general, you hear things about these situations and the speculation in there's rumors, but to have somebody confirm some of these things is like crazy.

I think to be totally honest with you, I say there's a lot, but not to be too graphic. I think PT, the question PT asked and his answer was the wildest one ever about where they asked him to release himself, because this isn't talk with Fleetwood. Where, when PT asked him, did he ever give you,

either one of them ever give you directions where to come at? And he said, yeah. And I was like, wow. How do you, how do you, listen, man, I can't be in a room and niggas telling me where the bus and nut at. Like yo, yo, yo my man you almost done finished right? Like yo, my nigga. So I think out of all the questions, if you ever seen the interview, make sure you also go log into my other show, Talk with Flea. But I think Larry and PT also asked some great questions,

but that was probably the most shocking one. Just that he had to, first of all, he wasn't allowed to leave without coming, pause. And he had to come in specific places. That was crazy. And that's what we had to do. Him being from Harlem, there's no way he didn't know that was Diddy. That's what I was thinking as soon the hell is this? I was like, what the hell is this? I was like, what the hell is this? I was like, what the hell is this? I was like, what the hell is this? I was like, what the hell is this?

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I was like, what the hell is this? I was like, what the hell is this? I was like, what the hell is this? I was like, what the hell is this? I was like, what the hell is this? I was like, what the hell is this? I was like, what the hell is this? Coach Dave was his coach. What? Yeah, he played 91, 92 was his senior year. Oh yeah, and he played with Sherrod, Rico. Rico, yeah. And that's the year we went to the championship. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You definitely said that. I knew that existed in white communities. I didn't know it existed in black communities. Like white communities, there's oftentimes we've been on the elevator going up to our suites or whatever and a white guy get on there with his wife and say, hey, can you handle my wife for me? You know? Yeah.

But what it is- The niggas like, what? Yeah. I think what it is, and yeah, 100% correct, I just think what it is is that black people are ashamed. It's probably a bunch of black niggas, but that's not accepted a lot in our community. So they like, damn man, DM the Punisher. See? See what he talking about.

But yeah, cause white people don't care. They're not ashamed of it. A black person probably like, nah, I ain't with. Me personally, I'm not, no, I'm not with that. I'm not giving my wife up to watch you bone a nigga. Fuck is we talking about, man? We got some porn all together, son. Fuck is, what are you talking about, man?

Well, make sure y'all check out the interview on Talk With Flea for sure. Thank you, last thing on this real quick, cause you know what's funny? It was years ago, a friend of mine, he's a little older than me, about five years older than me, but this was probably like 10, 15 years ago. So we, this is in Ohio too, actually in Columbus.

So we ride and it's a little strip mall and shit. So we see my man Carl, we like, oh, this nigga in here. So we pull in and we like, we don't know his story. So he come out the sex store and we like, yo, what the fuck going on? So he come out, he got dildos in there. We like, but he a tough nigga, you know what I'm saying? He like, we like, yo, what the fuck is you doing?

He said, man, listen, you think them good girl ain't got them fantasies, man, you know, other nigga coming in here, she can suck on a dildo and all type of shit. I'm like, but this is like one of the toughest niggas I ever met at the time. And I'm like, he said, God, y'all niggas keep acting like white people,

you ain't got no fantasy and all that. But we couldn't understand it. I was like, well, y'all enjoy what y'all got going on in there, man. Just giving an example of the black community from 10 years ago. Yeah, after this trial is over, there's gonna be all kinds of new conversations.

Let me ask you this, man. but there's gonna be all kind of new conversations. Let me ask you this, man, murder. If Puff ends up being these allegations to me, and to be totally honest with you, I haven't been listening to the transactions or everything and knowing 100% of what's going on, so I have no idea. But let's just say he beats this case.

What do you think's in store for Puff in the future? Is he gonna go crazy? Like not mad, but like be on a mission? Like yeah. What do you think if he beats this case, is his future gonna be like? If he beat this, I think either way, this portion of his life is closed.

That's the thing that that this is really showing him that, you know, you reach a certain point in life and that door is closed. You got to go through the next door. That door is going to be closed. Like, I don't think with everything people said, they're going to want to hear them musically, right? So he would have to go into something else. The Puff that I know, I know he'd definitely probably be really, really confident about

doing some things and I can only see something different happening if he's changed mentally. We'll have to just wait and see what happens. So there's a lot going on in New York. We've been talking about New York a lot for the past couple of days. And I asked you guys this question before and now it has actually happened because the Knicks have parted ways with TIBS. So he led the Knicks to their first Eastern Finals in 25 years, made the playoffs in four of the five years, and led the Knicks to consecutive 50 plus win seasons for the first time since

the 90s. Does it make sense that they decided to let him go? Hallelujah. They let Tibbs go. With the writing was on the wall, you know, they couldn't blame Brunson. Your boy got his bridges, got his shot fixed. They couldn't bring towns. You have to blame Tibbs.

I mean, you're not ready to blame James Dolan. I mean, and you're not going to blame Spike Lee, the only person left that they could blame was Tibbs. If you if you think about it, could he have played his bench more? Yes. Could he had, you know, gotten them developed so the team wouldn't be so tired? But other than that, he didn't make any like bogus plays down the stretch. His team was just really playing a team that was better than them at this point

in the in the in the career and at this point in the season. And. I this was writing on the wall from the first series. So I think when it came down to this and now we see him leave there, we knew that was gonna happen. But for this team, when New York could go to the next level, Tibbs is not the guy for it. Is he a good coach?

Yes. Is he a great coach? No. But can he get the job done? Not at this particular location. This is New York basketball. New York want to win right now. New York is tired of being NY standing for next year. And, you know, they got to get somebody who's most more like player friendly. He's not a player friendly coach. He's not a player friendly coach

I seen a Bunch of people that's actually New York fans that been one Tom tibetal fire and I'm saying if you have a backup plan Fine, but let's think about this Tom tibetal with the Knicks won 17 playoff games in the last However, many years couple years He's have two back the back 50 I'm in the same place. I'm in the same place. I'm in the same place. I'm in the same place. I'm in the same place. I'm in the same place. I'm in the same place. I'm in the same place. I'm in the same place. I'm in the same place.

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I'm in the same place. I'm in the same place. I'm in the same place. I'm in the same place. I'm in the same place. I'm in the same place. I'm in the same place. I'm in the same place. I don't know what else you want a nigga to do. He's been to the playoffs four times out of five years he's been in New York. So he didn't make the first year, got to the second round two years in a row, made it to the Eastern Conference Finals, and now you can the nigga. Now, if you got somebody else that y'all want to line up the higher in mind, I dig it. But at the end of the day, if we're talking about what the job he's done with the Knicks, I can't see him doing, I can't see where you want to fire him.

Now, Mase is right. I think his style is kind of outdated for certain things. But Jalen Brunson, that's his nigga. And his father's coaching because of tips. So I don't know if Jalen Brunson supports this's his nigga. And his father's coaching because of Tibbs. So I don't know if Jaylen Brunson supports this, but I don't know, but the fans definitely don't want Tibbs. But if we're talking about just his resume with New York, yo bro, the nigga won 17, you know how many games

the Knicks won before Tibbs got their playoff games? And the last however many years before he got there, seven playoff games. So from 1999 to 2000, whatever year it was, so when Tibbs got there, they won a total of seven playoff games. And they won 17 playoff games since he's been there. I don't know what else niggas really be wanting

from niggas. This is the model of inconsistency when it comes to the New York Knicks. Far as somebody to blame. Let's figure out who's gonna do the, yo, get them out of there. The Knicks fans in the stereo, we don't want Tibbs. Are y'all paying attention to the job Tibbs did?

Now what I will say is that Tibbs does run his players into the ground. And that last game against Indiana, them guys looked super duper tired. I was like, even if they win the series, it's not gonna even be a competition for OKC because these guys are tired. But at the end of the day,

if we're talking about strictly what he's done since he's been with the Knicks, it doesn't make sense. Now, as a Knick fan, not me, I'm talking about Knick fans, they want them gone. Knick in the control room wants them gone. Sin wants them gone. Nick want them gone? Nick want the Kn room wants him gone. Sin wants him gone. Nick want him gone? Nick want that nigga can't, man.

Come on, Nick. Yeah, Nick told me. Shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. This what I'm saying. Nick's been sick. That's what I'm saying. Niggas don't even want to. But if you sit there and say, look at the job he's done I'm saying, niggas don't even want Tibbs. But if you sit there and say, look at the job he's done throughout the years,

they don't even wanna hear that. They say Tibbs is the problem. When to me, the bench may be the problem where they don't have any depth. Is that Tibbs' problem? No, that's not Tibbs' problem. Tibbs is the coach, he's not the GM. To me, it sounds like ownership

probably called for this to happen. Because do you got to think about this, Leon Rose is the GM for the Knicks. Leon Rose used to be Tom Thibodeau agent. So you know you had a great relationship with Tom Thibodeau already. They have a great relationship.

To me, this sounds owner related, like, yo, it ain't gonna happen without him. So niggas, James Doley, Leon Rose, matter of fact, this nigga might got the job because this was your man, right? Nah, let's get somebody who wasn't your man. So I get it, a bunch of niggas been calling for Tim's job, but if we're looking solely on what he's done for the Knicks

since he's been with the Knicks, it doesn't make sense whatsoever. Especially getting to them Eastern conference championship last time in 26 years, two back to back 50 point pardon me, two back to back 51 seasons, which that hasn't happened since the nineties and winning 17 playoff games since he's been there when they haven't won seven in the last 25 years. Make it make sense. Make it make sense. Make it make sense. Yeah.

When you, when you stated about what do they want from tips, they want to win killer day, you know, New York fans, New York fans are like baddies, right? It doesn't matter what you did last year. They need it today. Like what happened last year? We celebrated for that already. We're here today. We need you to win today.

And when you think about tips, that's what people are asking for. They're like, man, those 50 wins killer you talking about. That's great. But if we're right here with loaded talent, we got OG, we got Car Anthony Towns, and we already was against this team last year, we shouldn't come back with three new, better players and still lose to the same team. What do you think about that? Well, I think you're 100 percent correct, because based on New Yorkers and not...

Expectations. Yeah, that's the word I'm looking for. Based on expectations, I think that you're 100% correct. Cause based on New Yorkers and that's the word I'm looking for. Based on expectations, I think that you're 100% correct. But to the baddie point, it's like the same thing. Sometimes you got a bitch you training that you want. She's, all right, she's starting to do the things I like. Yeah, okay. She's like, oh, she know I want my tea at 7 30 in the morning. She

know I need my dick suck at 11. You know, rub my back when I get from work and turn around let me hit. She's learning. Okay, she's getting it. And now you like, you know what, I don't, your feet stink. I don't want you no more. And now you're going to get a new bitch and if she don't already know all the shit you've been training this bitch to do the last three, four years, you starting all over with a new bitch that don't already know what you want. So yeah, it is like a baddie,

but be careful on the new baddie you get, because she might not be house straight, and she may be worse than what you've been doing with the bitch you just got rid of. And then you miss the old one. And at that point, it's sometimes it's too late to call the old one bad. You miss the one with her feet stink? If she did everything else that she wanted her to do,

you might be able to sacrifice the feet. Yeah, and you could just tell her, you know, I'm going to help you out. I'm going to wash them joints. Listen. Listen, I'm going'm being honest with you. This is a girl, right? This is my home girl. That's why I'm laughing,

because I know you're sexist. Yeah, no, this is my home girl. I wasn't even like, we had sex, but it wasn't like no relationship. It was an accident we had sex. It's not your home girl. Like, like where I know. But it's not your home girl.

Yes it is. We only had sex like twice. It was an accident. It was an accident. She come in right now, she gonna be like, that's my nigga. And if I have a girl with me, she ain't gonna say, man, she gonna be cool with all that, that's my own girl. But what I'm saying is, I told her, I'm like, We are drunk?

Was we? Maybe. It was a bit of an accident. No, I wanted them to join me. I've seen Boomerang and Marcus Graham on the couch with the little one. It's just, yeah, Star Wars. I'm a Trekkie. Oh yeah, it was one of them.

One of them, I'm a Trekkie joints where- You can't believe you're doing this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of them where I had just fall on my lap by accident in the middle of the movie. One of them joints. But what I was saying is, this how much she my home girl, is that she's a little muscly a couple of times. I was like, she like, get the fuck out of here, Kay.

I'm like, yo, my nigga, if you wasn't my nigga, I would tell you like, me coming from the gym, she came back with some medication deodorant. I didn't even know they had medication deodorant, but she took word to it. So it was like, that's my nigga. So sometimes you can have communicate, if you don't like somebody,

like for me, I look for shit from bitches. If I like a girl, I start looking for shit not to be liking no more. Like, why you breathe like that when you sleep? Like, I just, let's just think for shit. They'd be like, I got to, I like her too much. Let me find something not to like her. But when you have that communication,

that's really what relationships are about, to last. When you could talk to somebody and have communication and be like, yo, nah, nah, nah, nah. I don't like the way you fry on the chicken, or I don't like the way you do it, especially me, like sexually, I communicate during sex. I'm too old for you not to know the tricks that I like. You know what I'm saying?

I can't have you figuring it out. I'd rather tell you now, see if you can get it and then move on, but that's great communication. Because when it comes to me, and I know people laugh sometimes, but this is a serious topic for me. If you don't have great sex when you're having sex, but you like the person, it's a frustration,

but you can sit there all you want to have, every car, everything else, but if you're not getting pleasure made, especially at a young age, you're like, yo, you're gonna end up doing to do what you gotta do eventually. No opinion. I'm not true, I'm just saying a few words in general. Everybody's different, but that's a good analogy,

so I see where you're at with that. No, I agree, listen man, you know what works for you, I'm just one of the females' perspective on that. Yeah. So Mase, you brought up New York fans, they wanna win now, you related it to York fans. They want to win now. You related it to the baddies. The baddies want the money in the hand right now. So if the New York Knicks want to win right now, what coaching options should they be looking at?

I told you already, if y'all are listening to this show, it is what it is. There's only a few people that can help you to win. Definitely, we're looking at, we're looking at Mark Jackson. It's going to be a black coach. I mean, I wouldn't even be mad at Sam Cassell at this point. I think it's about time Sam Cassell get a shot. And if they want to trade, you know, like they trade Doc Rivers, maybe they trade Tyrone Luhn.

You're going to need somebody that's really player friendly when it comes to these players, because the type of way that they play, they need a they need a coach that understand a point guard, but also somebody like Sam Casale, I think, would be an excellent fit because he's Paws. He's won championships. He played on championship team and he understands what it what it'll look like to um play as a championship guard nothing just them little them little nuggets that comes with winning he can he can um transport to Jason I mean Jalen Brunson and they could turn this team around. Well I'll tell you one thing from the Nick fans that I've been speaking to, including Nick and Sin,

they want Mike Malone. They think Mike Malone can fix everything wrong in New York. This is who the New York Nick fans want, Mike Malone. The devil coach? Yeah, he's a former devil coach, yeah. But this is who they want. They feel he's a championship coach. They feel he's the reason that he's not in Denver

because the players didn't want to listen. They need a little discipline and he knows how to win championships. This is what I hear from the Nick fans. I wouldn't be mad at Mike Malone, but I think another name that's not being thrown out there that Mike can be thrown out there, and this guy actually led these guys to a championship

is Jay Wright, the coach from Villanova who's now an announcer. You got to realize he coached Jaylen Brunson, he coached Josh Hart, he coached Mikhail Bridges, all the two national championships in college. We know college is not the NBA, but he knows these guys just as well as anybody else and he probably knows what to get the best out of them. So pause. So I will go with those two names, if it's going to be any names, not Madden, Mike, Mike Malone. And let's start throwing Jay Wright in there because I think Jay Wright left

college to possibly look for the right opportunity in New York. And this may be, I mean, not New York and the NBA, and this might be the right opportunity in New York. Yeah. I think they'd constantly be looking over like black coaches, especially young ones, when it came to the, what is his name, Alvin, that was coaching the Milwaukee Bucks at the top of the year before Doc Rivers got there.

He was doing a stellar job. Doc come in and change up everything. It's a lot of good talent when it comes to young, young, um, black men that are coaching and not just because they're black, but I don't want to look over them because these guys are playing these roles of being great assistant coach and they need a shot like everybody else. We've seen the same thing that happened with um With a menu doka, right? Emanu doka

Emanu doka and and then he leaves there and the coach comes in and win a championship Even though we don't think they he's a great coach. He actually got the job done He was able to do what many people are not able to do and sometime That's what it it needs is just a fresh face with a fresh approach. And that's why I mention those names. You gave a lot of black niggas chances with the next two. Isaiah Thomas, Stu Jackson.

I just said. Boy, I didn't nigga, I forget the, what's the boy I had a nigga, nigga? Yeah, Earl Williams was coaching for two minutes. They gave black niggas they chance with the Knicks, man. I ain't got to. That's what Dolan was thinking when I said that. Yeah.

Come on, my nigga, you from New York. You know we gave a few niggas a shot. Yeah, you know, Lenny Wilkins type of niggas. Just saying man. Shut up. Lenny Wilkins man. Yeah, you right. They like them give niggas a shot.

So real quick, I understand, you know, Knicks fans wanting Mike Malone, which it sounds good in theory, but also it's like when you're coaching a roster of one of the best players in the world, that does make things a little bit different. But Mace, to your point of giving black, you know, people a chance, giving black coaches a chance. I know Cam just went through the list, but a specific person actually vouched for himself.

And I'm curious on you guys' opinion. So Ron Artest. Not to cut you off, it was Mike Wilson from the Knicks. Yeah, Mike was. Yeah. Okay, so Ron Artes, he tweeted. Derek Fisher. Look, I just put the list on.

The list goes on. Yeah, I didn't even know Derek Fisher was in there. Maybe he's a sister in the sun. My bad, sorry. No, you're all good. Yeah, Ron Artes, he tweeted in third person. He said, Metta is the perfect choice for head coach of the Knicks since 1999.

This was supposed to happen. I've never ran from the city when all the top players left New York City because it was hard. I went to St. John's basketball. I wanted to be drafted by the Knicks. I seem to be the only one unafraid of the city. I'm built to challenge the city. I'm the number one guy for the job. And I have a 360 degree experience.

So you want to give that black man a chance? How you feel? the city, I'm the number one guy for the job. And I have a 360 degree experience. So you want to give that black man a chance? How you feeling? I can't say nothing about this. I'm biased, you know, Ron Hardtest is my guy. But niggas, you crazy. This would be the first time that a coach knock a play out. Yeah.

Right. I could just see it. Ron Autez coming in, coach Autez, we'll play we should run, you know, and test, say something to a nigga, he go to the bench, call them a few names, invite them to his private and get cold knocked out on TNT. We don't need this right now. In the garden, we just don't, you know? And he probably could do the job,

but I wouldn't trust it, I wouldn't trust it. And that's my guy, that's my guy. Yeah, Ron Ron, that's my nigga too. Know I got time to be running in the Ron Ron on the street, you know. I bumped into Ron at Soho House. That's my nigga. But my answer was exactly what Mase just said.

Ron will knock somebody out. Like I could see a player acting crazy and getting knocked out. Like he ain't got the tolerance to be, have a nigga get an attitude with him. And Ron is strong, man. He's just a strong man. He's naturally strong.

Yeah, naturally strong, man. Like I was watching his documentary. They say he got mad and threw a tight writer in the wall and is stuck in the wall when he threw this shit. And I'm like, wow. But I don't know, it's like this. Like, I don't know if you guys ever seen, I think they gave it,

it was almost like a 10 day contract they gave Rasheed Wallace the Coastal Pistons however many years ago. You probably could Google it and see when it was. But you see Rasheed Wallace coaching, he's like a player still, mentally. Somebody score, he got the suit on, he running up giving the niggas on the bench, high fives,

nigga dunk, he falling in niggas laps on the bench, you know what I'm saying? Like he still had a players mentality. It looked fun when you watching it from the sideline, but I'm thinking as a GM, I only like, yo, was he doing? Chest bumping niggas every other play. If he's supposed to be the coach, he on the bench, giving niggas files and

everything. And I thought it was, I thought it was funny to be honest with you. I don't even know if he want to lose those games, but I'm not sure. I don't want to damn play and act like raw. I can't do the job. And I'm not going to sit in that. He definitely get to do the job. And I'm not gonna sit in that labor. He definitely can do the job. Yeah, and I'm not sure if he has controlled his temper

to where he could tolerate somebody getting mad or yelling at him or something like that. But I don't know. I'm just gonna- Who's talking to him crazy behind his back? Yeah, exactly. That's the point. I don't know where he's at today,

but I know Ron the Ron, I know you're not gonna talk to him crazy. You're not gonna say nothing slick. You're not gonna say nothing about his back because if he finds out, he's gonna approach you about it. But if I will say anything to what he said, that nigga definitely is New York. This is a nigga that got an NBA contract

and went back to Queensbridge and said, give me the whole sixth floor in the projects. So if we're gonna talk about somebody being in New York, that's the silver lining I can say. He's definitely been. And then just for like a little bit of point of reflection before we go to break, because we've seen that there was a couple of coach firings this season, obviously adding Tibbs to the list.

In your opinion, May is going to let you go first. Which one made the most sense and which one made the least sense? Just going to read a couple. So we had Tibbs, Buddenholzer for the Phoenix Suns, Mike Malone for the Nuggets, Taylor Jenkins for the Grizzlies and Mike Brown for the Kings. Which one made sense to you the most sense? Which one made the least sense? None of them did not make sense.

Um, you, when you, when, when they got rid of the coach and in Memphis, they had to do that, there's too much talent on that team. I know a lot of times people see it the wrong way. When you got, when they added Edie onto that team, they had Jackson's, they got, they got Jod. They got the shooting guard bangs. You know, they got enough to get way more done than what they accomplished this year. I think they supremely underachieve.

So that coach got to go. Phoenix is the biggest debacle of all time with three superstars on the same team. You got to get rid of that coach. So who else you're looking at? You the Kings. Yeah, this is another team. I could cut them a little bit of slack because there was a lot of transitions on this team. But this was a team expected to do work.

But once you started trading Fox and all that. So if I had to pick somebody, that's the least that it would be the Sacramento Kings. But everybody else, whether it was Mike Malone, that's why I don't understand. If he lost the locker room, he lost the locker room with champions and therefore he got to go. I don't know what happened, but I think they was making some accommodations, you know, rumor has it for Russell Westbrook and things like that. And people didn't like that. And he lost the locker room trying to show favoritism.

That's just what people were saying. I'm not saying it's true, but that's what we heard. And what was the other team that I did not name? I think it was just Nuggets. Yeah. Grizzlies, Kings, Suns. Yeah. Yeah. So the the number one team that the coach had to go was Phoenix. Phoenix will be number one.

And then when I look at how this this Denver team underachieve, it will be number two to me. But then you got Memphis and then you got Sacramento. Well, all them coaches should have been fired. Now, one of them was it a mistake that they're gone. And if they do this again, they should be gone again. I think for me, the most the one that makes the most sense is the Phoenix Suns. Only thing that I would say about that is that they're firing coaches every year.

You know, they have a new owner over there and I know he's young and he wants to win now. But if you don't get any chemistry and camaraderie within the locker room and just not just the locker room, the front office, ownership, the players, you have to get on one accord. And if you keep firing people every year, then it's never going to be any camaraderie. You're not going to make everything happen, especially in the Western Conference, in one or two years. I know you should have did way, way, way better with the people that's on the team, so I get it. But that made the most sense. And the one that made the least sense to me is actually the Denver Nuggets. The reason I say that made the least sense is

because of the timing. They fired them four days before the playoffs started, four games or some shit before the playoffs started. I understand that you possibly don't want him there for the long run, but I just think the timing of firing Mike Malone was not the time to fire Mike Malone. To the jokers credit, I think the joker did a good job coaching that team throughout the playoffs, not bad at all. You got to the same place actually Mike Malone got y'all last year, seven games, second round, etc.

But playing and coaching may take a toll on you, not getting paid for both of you getting paid for both it may not take a toll. But I think the timing of Mike Malone, it could be a time, the timing of Mike Malone, it could be a time to find the time in the Mike Malone and the time of the Memphis coach, uh, right before the playoff start.

I don't think that was beneficial for either team. So I think Phoenix is number one and the one that made the least sense. I'm only going with Denver because of the time. But do you think like the way Adam Silver is doing all of this new innovative stuff that we're ready to see just a player coach the team? I wouldn't be mad at it, but it's about... See, the reason I like the Joker when he was coaching to me, even though he wasn't literally coaching for the people, well, I feel he's coaching. But the reason why I like him, he's not biased. You feel like, look, if I'm in the game, it's because we need to win. If I need a break, I'm going to take a break. I see him subbing DeAndre Jordan.

I ain't see DeAndre Jordan play and I don't know how long and he was subbing him in and he like, yo, he probably was thinking to himself, yo, we got another nigga my height. And on the team, this nigga don't get no burn. He not old. Nigga, fuck it as we got this man, I think about this last year

when they're playing against the Timberwolves and you got Rudy Gobert, Carl Anthony Towns, double teaming going to Joker and you have another seven foot on the bench, he can at least match up with Rudy Gobert to get rebounds or box outs, so on and so forth. And you don't use him. The Joker put, pardon me, the Joker put,

and then more than Mike Malone put Jordan in in the last year. So I think if anybody could do it to me, it would be somebody like the Joker, because he doesn't seem biased. You know, some niggas got egos, right? Right, coming out. I'm good, nigga.

If I come out, we definitely go. He got five fouls. Yeah. Trying to stay in the game. Yeah, five fouls in the second quarter. So, you know what I'm saying? So, it has to be somebody who's mindful of winning and not being personal about it.

But I don't know anybody off the top of my head that actually, outside the Joker, who's that level headed. Okay. Treatments at the club is a wild or doesn't make sense. We will discuss after the break. Start a series by using your Game 1 boost and continue boosting each subsequent game. The longer the series, the bigger the boosts. Underdog, the best place to pick playoff basketball. Welcome back. So as we know, Thursday NBA Finals begins. We got OKC versus the Pacers. Underdog, gonna switch it up this time, has Alex Caruso at 14.5 points, rebounds, and assists.

Do you have him higher or lower, Mace? Points, rebounds, and assists. Mmm, rebounds and assists. Do you have them higher or lower Mace? Points, rebounds and assists. Hmm, I'm going lower. Let me, I agree, I'm going lower. Okay, Andrew Nempard is at 15 and a half points and assists, do you have them higher or lower Cam? Lower. Higher.

Okay, and Benedict Matheran is at seven and a half points. Do you have him higher or lower, Mace? Higher. More or lower. It's the yellow gang, man. I might wear my yellow cowboy hat just for the series, man, because I don't want it to be a surprise. I like OKC, but I'm feeling indie right now.

You picked OKC, Mace. I know, but the game ain't start yet. I got the right to change my bet. Well, son, you're on televised. You're televised. I know, but the game haven't started yet. Are you changing now? I'm thinking about it.

All right. If my yellow cowboy hat comes in, it depends. If it comes in time. All right, no problem. I mean, I'm going indie. If they don't make it, then that mean ain't gonna lose. It's on y'all. If y'all give me my cowboy hat,

y'all might be on to something. So you're really like flipping a coin. That's not really a choice. What? Like if it makes it, then yes. That's not really your choice. That's just like the odds, like if that happens. I believe in how things play out.

Okay. Okay. I can go with that answer. Yeah, you're not gonna rush me, Stat. No, I can't. I'm not how things play out. Okay. Okay. I can go with that answer. You're not going to rush me, Steph. No, I can't. I'm not mad at that answer. That's a great answer. I was just clarifying. Because when Cam asked you, is that who you want to win or who you think is going to win? I was like, that's a good question. That's how I got to ask the question. Yeah, you got to ask the question right. So I'm kind of... You just spin doctor too. So I'm spinning. I'm just calling you out. You say, yo, my heart's with Indy,

but I'm going home KC. It's a safety net. Right. It's a safety, there's no losing when you do that. Right. Definitely learning. You gotta learn the niggas. Don't let that nigga think he really from Florida.

He said that too. Florida. I've heard some all the time. Okay, so LeBron James reportedly used to get treatments while at the club. When I say the club, literal club, Mario Chalmers shared the story saying, "'I tell people this all the time.

"'Bron would really get treatment if he was in the club. "'He would literally have something on his knee or something on his back inside the club. Once somebody is doing that, that's real dedication to just be in the club with treatment, ice therapy, or whatever. He's always got something that's recovering, making his body recover.

Obviously, we hear stories of LeBron and his treatments all the time. At the club is a pretty crazy story What do you think Mace of that sort of dedication? Oh, man, I think the people are really will probably be super happy that LeBron is in the club especially as he's in there with ice on his elbow ice on his knees, but If if you really think about it, if you got to do all that, you might not need to be in the club, you know? Can you imagine you just in the club and you in this section and somebody wrapped up in ice?

Like, I mean, it's good for him, but I don't I don't know how to really take that stat. What would you think? You and you in this section, they bring an ice people rubbing his back., they moving everybody out the way. It's like, get a room, man. Yeah, at that point I agree. I'm gonna let Cam go first though to get both of y'all's. But he could do it. Yeah. It's Miami.

I think that, I think that's real dedication. I agree with Mario Chalmers, man. I think that he nigga take, this is why he's playing so long. This is a hundred percent fact. Like I want to go out, but I still need treatment. Treat me at the club. I remember. I'm a nigger.

I don't know if he makes you really been to clubs lately. Masoos is being I get massages all the time in the club. They talk about the club. Every time I go to strip club, man, Masoos get there, massage me out. I mean, I get, they charge you about a song. So I have many songs. Yo, I've been here three songs. I be arguing, cause I be like,

they didn't play the whole song, the DJ cut into it, so is it really a song? But every strip club in Miami got a masseuse. One of my masseuses now, I still stay in contact with because she was really good. And I'm like, I can imagine if you're doing this through the clothes, how good you are. But to me, it's dedication, man.

And that just goes to show, y'all want to go out, but I know what's a priority. Let me mix and match same time. I remember I was in a club, me and actually me and PT and PT probably could testify to more situations than I can. But I was in the club, me, PT and Floyd and Floyd was in the club getting his feet massaged. And it was, and it was laid up over there

and the bitch was massaging his feet in the club. I said, I ain't never get the foot massage. I was like, I'm a little jealous of that one right there. I get the shoulders and all that. Floyd was in that business getting his feet rubbed. And I was like, yo, that shit kind of fly. I ain't gonna lie. It was looking like bullshit to be honest with you.

But not only that, I mean, like I said, I haven't been there for anything. PT could probably tell you more than this, but this is somebody who goes to talk about Floyd, right now, saying on Floyd, before I go back, pause, before I go back to LeBron, but this somebody who goes to the club and is around females and liquor and weed

and everything else and don't do none of it. Don't drink, don't smoke, and they may tell you, yo, follow me home with the car, I'ma jog home. Dedication. You'll follow me home with the karma jog home. If dedication, this is why LeBron is who LeBron is. This is why Floyd, who Floyd is, because they still remember what the wish the thing makes the first thing first. Even first things first. The main thing, the main thing, the main thing. And that's what both of those type of athletes are doing.

No matter if I'm in a strip club, no matter if I'm in a regular club, the first thing is the first thing. And that's taking care of my body to go get more money, which is my livelihood, but I'm still in here. So to me, I'm gonna have to agree with Mario Chalmers. Yeah. And to that point, it's like, obviously you can make the choice to not go,

but it's like, they're gonna go at some point. I think the only person who probably like probably hasn't even went to club is somebody like Wemby. And it's like, if that's your dedication, you got to do what you got to do. You got to do what you got to do. You said Wemby don't go to the club? I could not picture that. He's too tall to be in the club. I mean, there's other people who are not his height, but just about there will be at the club and maybe if you've seen the videos, y'all know what I'm talking about.

So it's like, see, this is this is the thing about it though is that's just us. And I say us black people needing to be somewhere needing to be out of be somewhere or whatever, because I lived in New York my whole life, or even Jersey half my life before, you know, we came out of Miami, whatever. But I never bumped into Eli Manning. I never bumped into, you know what I'm saying? I never bumped into Michael Strahan.

At the games, I just shot to Michael Strahan, smart nigga. But I'm just saying, when sometime, I seen Gilbert Arenas talking the other day, because his son was in an accident, car accident, thank God that he's doing well. Looking forward to his college career. Looks like he probably going to go pro. Congrats to Gil and his family. But I heard Gil talking about the other day and he's like, I'll be telling niggas, it's nothing good outside after 10 p.m.

He said after 10 p.m. what is out there for you if you're an athlete? What is out there? Figure everything out before 10 p.m. and they go in the house. Now when you're 17, 18 years old, you're like, oh niggas, wow. My curfew was just 10 p.m. Now you telling me I don't go back out as an adult

after 10 p.m. You don't want to hear it. But if you are an athlete, you have to think about all the scenarios that could possibly happen after 10 p.m., which could damage your future or your career. So take that into consideration, too, as well. Yeah, that's actually a good point, because it's like, after a certain time, you're at this point you're lingering

and things just keep going worse and worse. And it's like after this club, let's go to the after spot. And after this spot, let's go to the strip club. And it's like, you are just spending more money or you're just gonna run into people that you probably don't need to run into. But you don't think about it at the time cause you just are out.

Stud, how can y'all say that? Y'all just talked about being iced up in the club. Yeah, but that doesn't determine the time that he leaves. He's going to be iced up in the club and then he probably leaves after if he does that. A lot of people don't do that. Was that after 10? I mean, depending on where they was at. Well, I think Mop and to make some points a great point, I think it's about two different

separate scenarios with that. I was talking about a 17, eight year old, 18 year old, as opposed to LeBron James when he's in Miami at this time, he's a seasoned veteran. And we seen just from his career that you don't see LeBron in scandals if we do, we don't see about it. We don't see this nigga, she known his wife, we don't see his nigga in reckless car accidents or God forbid, we don't see about it. We don't see this nigga, she knowing his wife, we don't see this nigga in reckless car accidents

or God forbid, we don't see this nigga in anything. So I actually seen footage when the All-Star game was in Cleveland and this is not even exaggeration, LeBron was literally running from these females. Literally, they're chasing him, not physically, but he's walking fast and they're like, LeBron, LeBron, LeBron was literally running from these females. Literally, they're chasing him, not physically, but he's walking fast and they're like, LeBron, LeBron, LeBron. And the nigga had to go down the up escalator

and skipped all the stairs and the girls couldn't get down. They just stuck in one spot, trying to go down the up escalator. So that's somebody who's been through it and luckily had some good people around him, people level headed to where a 17 year old, 18 year old would be like 10 o'clock. Right. Nah, nah. But what do you think Mase?

Isn't anything good out there out there after 10? No, I don't think so. Definitely a view. Once you reach that status, you can only lose in a situation. Now, I think you got to have more so live, kind of get your life to come to you. Once you reach that status, you can only lose in a situation. Now I think you gotta more so live, kind of get your life to come to you. Even if you're gonna have like parties, you gotta have parties at your house

within an environment you can control. Yeah, control the environment. So let me ask you this, if you were 20 years old, do you think you would have the same answer? How much has your mentality changed? A great deal. I think at 20, I would have been out to nine in the morning, but you know, it's still nothing good out there.

I'm not saying that you're not gonna be out there, but that don't make it good. You know what I'm saying? You could shoot somebody, somebody could shoot you. You know, just like a person like Lebron, it's nothing he could gain from that environment. It can only, if it goes wrong, it only goes wrong for him. Nobody else bears the brunt of his celebrity, you know? I'm so glad you ain't lying.

Say that you had been in the house. Oh yeah, I don't be careful, you know. I couldn't wait for you to say that you wouldn't have been outside at 20 years old. I never went upstairs. Yeah. I never went upstairs. Some people get tired.

Because not only that, it used to be a thing, like, yo, we gonna break date. Niggas like, yo, niggas broke date last night. That's the saying. See this is a question I gotta ask more because when I ask y'all questions, it's your mentality now cause I didn't know 20 year old Mase.

I didn't know 20 year old Cam. So I know like. Yeah. And then honestly, now I'm just curious for you guys, as far as mentality and how you guys think, like just for each other, do you, and obviously like I kind of the answer, but do you feel like it's drastically changed

for how his mentality is and then Cam for how Mase's is? Just how you guys go about things. I'll let Cam go first. You're asking about me or Mase? About Mase's mentality from then to now. Hell yeah. Yeah, that shit changed. Absolutely. Like, like.

That's what we tell you. Yeah, like absolutely. I ain't gonna say a hundred percent. I'll say like 92%. Cause Mace, but Macy, as a teenager and then as a young adult starting to do music, Mace always had a touch of religion with him. And we used to be like,

what you mean you not cursing this year? He would take a year off from cursing. Like, you know what you're talking about? We had a love of a grade. He's talking about, nah, I'm not cursing this year. Shit will last about three months. I'd be like trying to get him to curse

and then that shit would be out the window and he'd let him go back to cursing and all that. So some things was a little bit there here and there, but today, yeah, absolutely 100%. I would say he had 92% change, absolutely. A hundred percent. I would say he had 92% change. Yeah. And the major answer for Cam. Oh man.

I think Cam has changed, you know. As much as people think he hasn't, he has. Look, I'm going to be honest with you. I don't go out, like, the same thing Mayesa, I was gonna say, but he said it. I'll go out if it's a friend's party or if it's somebody got something going on. Oh, if I'm gonna get some money, definitely, but the money even gotta make sense.

Like I was saying, you know, when Mo was on the show a few weeks ago, and we not hit up a little anybody, anything somebody does to make their money, anything like that. But I wasn't joking when we say, Mesa tone down 30,000 or 40,000 this weekend. Me too.

I'm not gonna put the number out there that I be turned down, because people are thinking it'd be disrespectful. You turned down more than that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, both of us. It was wimpy. I'm trying to say a number where niggas won't say we bugger. I'm trying to say a number where niggas won't say we bug it. I'm trying to be nice,

because if niggas hear the number for real, niggas gonna be like, now y'all out of pocket. So I'm trying to put a safe number. But to be honest with you is back to what Mase just elaborated on. To me, why would I risk going out for a certain, and don't get me wrong, that's why I said I don't really wanna say the amount,

but let's just say 30,000, because I don't wanna belittle that amount, and some people work for that all year round. But for me, why put myself in a situation to where, okay, I'm gonna be in a nightclub where this could happen, or that could happen, it's not in a good location, anything could pop off, it was a shoot out there

two months ago. Why would I even go there? The real reason about a lot of things, a lot to be totally honest with you, sometimes a lot of things my son puts me onto. And when I say put me onto, he's such a smart person that I

think about him sometimes before I do certain shit because he'll be like, but did that make sense? He's such a smart person that I think about him sometime before I do certain shit, cause he'll be like, but did that make sense? And he'd be like, but listen, hear me out. And then you tell him the answer, he'll still be looking at you like, so that answer made sense to you

cause it still doesn't make sense to me. And then you'd be like, yo, whatever. Cause a lot of niggas this my age or younger than me, a little younger than me to be going out every night, they don't got kids. It's a different responsibility when you have kids and you got especially teenage kids or young adults and they be like, so that so you thought that was necessary at this age. You get what I'm saying? So then a lot of times to me also, you got niggas who couldn't do things that they could do now that they couldn't do

when they was 20, 25 years old. So now you may have a little money, you may have a little celebrity, but you was nobody when you was 20, 21. So now you're making up for lost time for what you couldn't do when you was 20 or 25 or 30 years old. So now you're trying to catch up for things

that you could have been doing. And to me it's just like, doesn't make sense. A lot of times, even if I do a walkthrough, I do a walkthrough just so my niggas could get the money. Like not give them all, of course I'm gonna take something, but I don't even be doing walkthroughs. But if it's somebody I fuck with that can make a couple of dollars

and I could be somewhere for an hour and have a drink or two, cool. But it's so many places, weekend after weekend after weekend that I turn down because I'm like, it doesn't make sense for me to be there at this point in my life. Very good conversation, because I learn something from y'all every day and it's cool to hear and I also like to see you Guys, it's growth even though I don't know y'all for when y'all were 20s

but I know y'all now so it's cool kind of seeing the shit the stories that you guys share because Yeah, we documenting yours right now. Yeah Sounds scary. But yeah, you guys are so it's cool. It's cool for me cool for y'all love being here Y'all know it every day, but that is all the time that we have for today. Thank y'all for watching!