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Episode Date: May 2, 2025

Ma$e, Cam’ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one!! On this episode, Maurice Clarett is stunting on us with this top tier equipment and he flexing a new trophy for TITLETOWN!! The Knicks survived and advanced passed the Pistons to win the series in 6, up next the REAL TITLETOWN, Boston Celtics. Then, Game 7 is coming up for the Denver and LA Clippers series, who do we got winning?? Next, John Haliburton is banned from the Pacers games the rest of the playoffs, is this out of pocket? Lastly, an First Time Ever boxing event in Times Square and Saquon getting heat for visiting Donald Trump and the White House! Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Support the show and sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code CAM and get a $1000 first deposit match, and a Special Pick'em pick. Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson , Producer Ayooo Nick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello y'all, uh I was selling crack on a private jet up in a hell and back But no confusion, this a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Yeah, Murda here, he countin' money He said, can't man the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga

Black fences and white vigas Now I'm out here and I'm lookin' for more chandeliers and light pictures Nah, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is, this episode is sponsored by Underdog. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states, including California, Texas, and Missouri, just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog app. Use code MACE, CAM, or STAT to get up to $1,000 in bonus credits with your first deposit and

a free pick. I'm Treasurer Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your hosts Mace and Cam, and today we are joined with our analyst, Maurice Claret. Yo Mo, what's good man? Everything baby, everything. What's up with your camera? Why your camera look better than mine? I'm from Ohio.

Yeah, that's why. I like that. Make your camera kill it. Yeah, that's why. I like that. Like a camera killer. Yeah, and there's microphones. I want a camera. You gonna just gotta echo wherever you at and all that, microphone. You're handling yourself like a professional like Mo, man.

You're acting like a Floridian. Oh? Oh? You're killing me. Oh? Oh? You feel how the viewers, as far as there's way more square footage, that's where the echo is coming from. You're in a smaller space. Ha ha ha!

Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! It must be me.

I like that, I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that. Slick talker. Yeah, the walls are vanilla. You're thinking about what color we wanna make the house, man, he's in Ohio. I'm in Laguna Beach, man.

It's different. Killer is just- I just left Laguna Beach. That's crazy. I just was in Laguna Beach last weekend,'s just- I just left Laguna Beach. That's crazy. I just was in Laguna Beach last weekend, man. It's cold in Laguna Beach. Yeah, man. Yeah, man.

I let him have the cold, man. Yeah, man. I ain't gonna lie. I just warm in the water. But this camera is crazy, Mo. What you doing over there, Mo? Yeah, this is- Listen to me. I told Cam over there, Mo? Yeah, this is... Listen to me.

I told Ken before you got on the show, if ESPN called me up and they said be involved with the show, that I would show up like the best professional possible, so I'm treating my brothers the same way. So you had to wait to get the ESPN call to do this? Yeah, yeah, you got to wait to the... To the freaky network call, to the freaky network call you,

to the freaky network. Yo, I really see what you're doing. You got to wait to the freaky network call you to get cameras and all that. Nah, y'all ain't about to do me like that. If anybody else called me, look, you don't have to go, You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

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Titletown. You see how Cam always talking about resilience. Yeah. He always talking about people telling you resilient. Well, over here in Titletown, Ohio, they actually gave me an award for being resilient. Why? For mental health and addiction service work that I

work with throughout people in Ohio. So being entitled to, I thought I'd bring another title to the, to the show. Now that's super dope. Congratulations, Mo. That's, that's fire, bro. So we go set this in the back. Yeah. Congratulations.

Fire Mo, fire. And then I saw that was presented to you from Ryan Day and his wife, correct? Yes, correct. Yeah, super dope. So congratulations on everything, Maurice. We love to see it. Tidal Town, that was really a shot at Mace.

That was really a shot at you, Mace, if you ain't. Hey, I mean, well, everybody else that win the trophy, they bring the title to Thanos, man. You gotta bring the trophy to me, man. It's not a Titletown trophy if you don't bring it before Titletown, man. I'm just sure that's what trophies look like, my brother. Well, on the topic of Title Town Maze,

there is a team in particular who looks like they're trying to bring it home. So the Knicks advance to the Eastern Conference Semifinals after eliminating the Pistons 116 to 113 in game six. Next, they will play the Celtics. So what is your message to Knicks fans? And then what are you guys' thoughts on the win? Maurice.

As a sports fan, as a basketball fan, just as a fan in general, this series, if you've been watching from the beginning, has been super competitive, super interesting in a reminder of like, it reminded you, right? Reminded me of old school basketball. Dudes playing hard, pause, dudes playing competitive defense, like guys actually putting effort for it. And it's crazy, I'll say it, man, if dudes in the NBA play like this all the time,

like we would just appreciate it more. You know what I mean? I think that's why they create these grites for themselves because when you see dudes get serious in playing, it becomes a competitive game and it's fun to actually watch. But, um, one, I'm happy for the Knicks. Like, I just, I'm happy that they're winning

and things are going right. I'm happy that they've had Bridges, and I forget how they said the other dude's name, OG Anna Kenenoby. I butchered his name, but I keep on saying this to myself. I don't know how long that they can last with Jalen Brunson carrying the team the way he did. Because I remember watching him last year,

and that was my first time really being hip to Jalen Brunson and watching him get busy and pause and watching him play. But I just say to myself, how long could you keep this up? Like, if you had to score 40 in game six to close them out, like, just the wear and tear on your body, the wear and tear on the team, and just that much productivity without having Karl-Anthony Towns,

like, sort of take the brunt of that load, being a bigger dude, and adding that force consistently. I just don't know how long they'll keep it up, but I was happy to see a win. Yeah, I'm actually happy I'm looking at this team. They firing on all cylinders. I'm still not ready to say I'm looking at this team. They firing on all cylinders. I'm still not ready to say I'm a Knicks fan. I'm still not ready to go on the record and say they win this

next series, but they made all the necessary changes to win this game and to win this next series. When you think about it, right, They got um, Carl Anthony Towns. So that's going to be their replacement big man that they didn't have last year. They got Michael Bridges, which is supposed to be that extra wing they need against the Celtics. We will find out, are they ready? We will find out next series. Are they ready? They have no excuse.

They got all the pieces killer that they said they didn't have last time. And now, you know, even with OG and different people like that, it's time, it's time, it's a proofing moment. It's a time, it's a reality moment. That's what I say for me. There's no more excuses.

Yeah, listen, what I'll say is this. The Pistons blew this whole series, to be honest with you. They was up in this game. Seven points were like a little bit under two minutes left. Every, going into almost every fourth quarter, every game, they were up. I'm not going to say every game, but they were up. And they blew the league, game after game after game, it shows the inexperience of the Pistons.

They have time to get it right. I'm talking about in the future. They had a spectacular season compared to what they've done in the previous years. Bravo to them. But y'all really, really blew, paused this series, man. Y'all was up every game going into the fourth, just about. And lost. And lost. It was just plain inexperience. And loss, and loss.

It was just plain inexperience. That's first and foremost. Secondly, Nick's got everything as far as the starting five is concerned. That bench, you believe in campaign consistently, murder or more? I don't know. I'm not sure if I can go with campaign consistently. McBride consistently, I don't know. I'm not sure if I can go with campaign consistently.

McBride consistently, I don't know. I don't know why they don't play PJ Tuck. I have no idea what's going on with that. He has some experience. But I do like their starting five, but they bench is not as good as the Boston Celtics bench. And I think that may be the difference. Second thing, New York fans do not call me.

They call, don't call me for what y'all was supposed to do. This is what I'm talking about. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Y'all were the three seed, they were the six seed. This is what you were supposed to do. This is not anything different from what you were supposed to do. I don't get, niggas call me, yeah, nigga.

Y'all niggas... You went to the second round last year. This was a phenomenal series. Mo is right. The series was phenomenal. But this is... You know y'all was supposed to win. And then niggas makes... You know what I'm saying, Murda? Niggas start making up shit that don't even make sense. I'm arguing with a nigga named Sin. He telling me they did better this year shit that don't even make sense. I'm arguing with a nigga named Sin.

He telling me they did better this year than they did last year. And I said, first of all, you didn't get past second round, but you talking about the regular season. They came in second place last year seeding wise. They came in third this year seeding wise. He's telling me that they did better last year, pardon me, they did better this year, Cedar Wiles. He's telling me that they did better last year, pardon me, they did better this year than they did last year because they won more games this year

than they won last year. I said, that's an improvement as far as winning games, but you're not at a higher seed, you're actually at a lower seed. Now you just hating, you just hating. Yo bro, you not account, account is one, two, three. You were two, then you were three. Nah, but we won more games, we did better. If you're not in the second seed

and you're in the third seed, I don't know how to explain it. He said, well, explain it. And she said. And she said. And she said. And she said. And she said. And she said. And he just... And he just... And he just... And he just...

I said, I said, this is the best I could do for you, and after this, I'm gonna argue. Go argue with somebody else. I said, it goes like this, and... The Olympics has gold, silver, and bronze. Last year, you won silver. This year, you won bronze. You may have ran faster this year than you ran last year,

but it was somebody who ran faster than you ran faster than this year. Mmm. So, what are you talking about? He said, that's not a good example. You saying no. So I said, forget it. I'm not doing it.

I'm not doing it. This is the shit in New York. This is what I'm saying. This is exactly what I'm saying. I think it's what I'm talking about. I think it was a phenomenal win for the Knicks. And out of everything I said, like I said, congratulations.

You're supposed to win whatever. We'll see right now. If y'all get past the Celtics, you're supposed to win whatever. We'll see what happens. Now, if y'all get past the Celtics, we gonna start talking some shit. That's a tall task, we'll see what happens. Last thing I'll say about this is this though, what I am willing to say is this, we have to put Jalen Brunson in the conversation

of best point guard in the NBA after Shay Gilder's Alexander. It just has to be a topic, man. We sit there, we can sit there and say maybe Donovan Mitchell, but did Donovan Mitchell really play the point guard this year? Church pointed that out to me. He's like, you know, Garland really was

the point guard this year. Even though Donovan Mitchell can play point guard and he played point guard in Utah this year, he wasn't a point guard. You know, Jalen Brunson had 15 points and he was like, he had a bad game, he had a bad game. As much as I love Steph Curry, Steph Curry had three points one game

about a week or two ago, three points? Jalen Brunson can't take no nights off, bro. He can't take no nights off. And like I said, when he has 15, we're up here killing him, pause. He might be the number two point guard in the whole NBA right now, if you wanna argue about it. 37, 35, 30, he had 40 piece last night.

As good as Shruder did off the bench, he was chicken, barbecue chicken, nigga. Jalen Brunson cooked Shruder the whole series. Then they put Thompson on. Thompson did a decent job, but he didn't stop him. And I'm not gonna be blasphemous and get out of pocket by any stretch of the imagination. But that shit he did for the game winner

was a little bit of Jordan or Russell for the championship. Cause the niggas shook the nigga out of the frame, B. Not only shook him out the frame, he didn't even go for the two. Niggas said, I'm going to hit. Gang was tight. He could have got him out the screen and went to the basket. Shook the nigga out the screen, and then after that,

hit the three, my nigga. Jalen Brunson is number two, point guard, maybe the number three, depending on who your favorites are this particular season, man. We cannot argue about this. The kid is spectacular. The problem is, he's with the Knicks. That's the only problem, man.

Secondly, like I said, everything else, back to Detroit, the little minor mistakes y'all made. I know y'all are gonna think about this in off season and be like, damn, I fucked up. I just talked about this yesterday or the day before yesterday. It was a point where they was up four or two points. I'm not, I don't remember which one.

And I talked about out of bounds plays. I said, niggas don't know how to do out of bounds plays. What happens? They up four points. How do you let Carl Anthony Towns steal the ball on the out of bounds play and get a fast break dolo, Danica, matter of fact, he is down two because he missed the free throw.

But the moral of the story is, yo, all playoffs, niggas don't know how to run out of bounds play. And then you don't get an out of bounds play right in the clutch. Come on, man. Y'all gotta work on that. All these coaches, I'm blaming it on the coaches.

They just think the niggas is professional and you should be able to get the ball in bounds. Obviously not. Congratulations to the Knicks. I'm looking forward to the next series. You know, Boston, New York, we have a history of not liking each other. It usually be with baseball more than anything else,

but it's just Boston hates New York. I think New York hates Boston, and this all sports-wise for niggas, take it somewhere else. But Boston hates New York, bro. If you go into a Boston arena, stadium, football field, you ask them, which city do you hate the most? They're all gonna say New York. So this would be a goodie.

Yeah. That was a great take. And I'll just add on the flip side for the Pistons, they do also have a lot to look forward to in the future because they did make a lot of tiny mistakes that shouldn't have happened. But it shows next year you guys have a good foundation. So I would be excited. But Knicks definitely deserved that win.

Like you said, that Jalen Brunson play was very, very, very, very good. So in the comments down below, let us know who you guys think is the second best point guard. Yeah, and then not only that, the ad. This was an opportunity for Cade Cunningham to step up to potential superstar eventually. This keeps you at all-star level, Cade Cunningham,

because it was their superstar against you, who's on a rise to be a potential superstar. You fell in love with the three. You were 0 for 8 from 3. I kept saying, I was looking at the TV like, why does he keep shooting and shit? He's off tonight. You're 0 for 8 from 3?

Not only that, you went to the basket and missed some key layups. Now I know that they was doubling, tripling teaming you. I seen it. But when you're the superstar of your team, you gotta make adjustments and you gotta make it happen. You can't depend on niggas. The nigga that I will give props to is Beasley.

Off the bench, killed them. He was the only piston with plus 17 when they played. Every other piston they played was minus when they played. He came off the bench, gave them a spark. I felt he should have got more minutes. He only played 24 minutes. Maybe if he played more minutes, he would have got better results.

But, K Cunningham had an opportunity this game to step up, and Jaylen Rose said, -"Not on my watch." Yeah, Jaylen Bronson. Oh, yeah, fuck it. It's all these Jalen's and niggas. My bad, man. There is mad Jalen's in the league. Jalen Brunson said, not on my watch.

OK, so the Clippers, they beat the Nuggets 111-105. The series is tied. This was a crucial win for the Clippers. Murrays, who do you think has more to prove, the Clippers or the Nuggets? I think by far it's the Clippers. And I want to see them do well just from the money invested in just all of that Steve Ballmer has tried to do

to bring over to the Clippers. You know, for a long time, L.A. has been the whale out there in LA. I'm talking about the Los Angeles Lakers. And if the Clippers can somehow, someway, take this moment in time with the Lakers being out and stealing, I wanna say stealing the market share, but stealing someone's attention,

and they can get it done and hopefully go all the way and make a championship run, like I would love to see him do it. But, you know, I'm rooting for Kawhi, I'm rooting for James. I want to see him get it done, you know, so I'm a fan of it. And I actually like all the comments. It has nothing to do with anything else, but I like all the comments that people are talking about

in regards to the stadium. You know, next time I go to LA and if I have time, I want to visit, you know, the stadium out there at the Clippers. So I think the Clippers have more to prove and I'm rooting for them to basically get it done. Yeah, this series, it turns into whatever Joker shows up. I can't give any of this credit to the LA Clippers. I know you can say I'm hating on them,

but do we expect Kawhi to do well all the time? Do we expect James Hartner to do well all the time? Do we expect James Harden to do well consistently, right? But it seems like if Joker didn't get a triple double, this is the first time in a long time, he didn't get a triple double, and I don't know what that's about. But you know, it would, depending on which Joker shows up,

it determines if they win this series or not. You know, ifoker comes in and be the joker that we know even with kawaii playing well and james hardin playing well it just it just won't be enough anytime a big man is dominant that's gonna really take over a series so joker i hope you're listening to this we need you to show up get the get the Clippers out of here, man. Still Laker Town. This series, like May said, this is a great point. I don't think it's just about the Joker. It's about which superstars show up on each night.

You know, Jamal Murray, Woody, had 47 in the last game, and this is, and you got the result that you got. 21 points is not gonna get it. It's not. The joker, like you said, look, we're sitting here mad at the joker when he get 25, eight, and seven. That's a problem.

That's just fucking ridiculous that this is the expectations that he set for himself, though. Then you get Michael Porter Jr. Five points. He's not contributing. You get what I'm saying? There's no consistency on either side what I'm saying? Like, there's no consistency on either side.

Then I said this yesterday, well, before this game started in the morning, when we came on, if we get the Kawhi Leonard, that's been busting ass, 39-point Kawhi Leonard, if we get hungry James Harden, then the Clippers should win. Everybody in a self-outside had done, shot over 50% over. Kawhi was 11 for 22.

Zuback was five for six. Hart and 10 for 20. Norman Powell, nine for 15, pardon me. And then you get 27 from Kawhi. You get 28 from James Hart. You get 10 rebounds from Kawhi. Listen, wherever superstars show up, that's who's gonna win. So when you got Jamal Murray and the Joker

acting crazy like they could, that's who wins. When you got James Harden and Kawhi Leonard acting crazy, the Clippers win. If you're asking me who do I... It ain't about more than proof, which was the question, because Moe was right. It ain't nothing about... The Clippers got 100 years worth of proof and shit. They haven't won.

So if you ask them who has more to prove, they just won a championship. They don't have shit to prove. I'm not saying that they don't want to win again, but anybody got something to prove is definitely the Clippers. But as far as the series is concerned, I wanted the Clippers to win this series in the beginning. But I can't get consistency,

and I don't wanna see non-consistency in the next round. What I do know is this, Joker's gonna come to compete. Whether he has super duper numbers or not, every night he's coming to compete. What you gotta realize is this, right? And it just, it is what it is. No pun intended. You got, you got two superstars that's both from LA,

playing in LA, talking about Kawhi Leonard and James Hart. They home. The Joker is from overseas, Jamal Murray's from Canada. They're more hungry. They want to go home, too. They're not going home after the game. They're not going home after they want to serve. They're not going home, period, from October

to whenever their playoff life is over, period. They want to go home. So they got more to prove. To them, people like that, to me, when you come from overseas and you play as hard as the Joker plays or you come from up North where Jamal Murray is played and you wanna go home,

you don't wanna go home empty handed. So to me, who's more hungry? That's the real question, who's gonna win this series? And to me, Denver's more hungry. They got own court advantage. But I like to see the Clippers win, yeah. But I ain't got time for no nights off next series, nigga. You know y'all playing next series.

No nights off. If I can't get the Kawhi Leonard I got tonight, if I can't get 39-point Kawhi Leonard, if I can't get Houston James Rocker in LA, I don't want to see y'all against Shea in them next round. I'd rather see Jamal Murray, the Joker, Aaron Gordon, Russell Westbrook in them niggas, because they're going to play hard.

Not saying y'all don't, but some nights it just seems like y'all doesn't. Y'all don't. You proved my point from earlier when I was talking about... Go ahead. Go ahead, Mo. No, you proved my point earlier. I said when people appreciate when guys actually play hard. Yeah, that's basically what you're saying.

Like, it's so much inconsistency that guys kind of bring this criticism onto themselves. But I asked myself this, and I don't know how y'all feel about it. I be asking myself, like, do you get to this point from so much inconsistency during the season? Like, if you don't rev up and play that hard throughout the whole season, and those become your habits, like, can you actually turn it on

and the playoffs take consistently do it? You know, after you develop these habits of, you know, you play hard now and then you don't play hard, then you play hard now, then you don't play hard. And I don't know if this is like, you know, a systematic problem where we get to this point that, you know, these guys are playing inconsistent just because they do it all year,

and if there's something structurally that the league can do, but you've kind of proved my point when I talked about in the first section that, you know, when Detroit was playing New York, you know, hard pause, that's like what fans become to appreciate. You don't want to see guys play inconsistent because it's horrible basketball. Yeah, I think it all boils down to, they didn't have Ben Simmons on the team this day.

You know, if you look at the roster, the coach decided not to put them on the team today. And they won, you know. I'm looking at different stats, Mo. I'm looking at different stats. The people you got around, man. They take them out of the team. Yeah, take that away from them. They start winning.

I like this team. And I'm happy for the Clippers if they could get past them. But like Killer said, if they get against OKC with this each night out, they're not sure if they want to play. That's going to be a nightmare. And I think it shouldn't be this way because then they have low management. Why couldn't you?

Why is Niggas still taking the night off? You've been off the whole season going in and out. So just to clarify, you're blaming Ben Simmons for the losses the Clippers did have. That's the blame. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just making, making a stat that people are not looking at. This is the first game I noticed that he wasn't on the team or wasn't on the floor or on the bench and they won. You gotta pay attention to that.

They tell you that in title town. Watch who you win with and watch who you lose with. Who were you with when you won? Oh, Ben Simmons wasn't here. We won. I gotta pay attention to that. Okay, there's an argument to that too, but I'm just gonna to move past that.

So last episode, wait, wait, if you went one of your girlfriends and you get kicked out, you get kicked out and you didn't even do nothing. Right. You know what I'm saying? You get kicked out of your apartment and then you get with another girl and you get an upgrade. You don't pay attention to that. No, I totally get where you're coming from, but they've also won games where Ben Simmons did have minutes.

So that's the argument. You're only as good as your last performance. Shhh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh. I'm just learning, you know, from Tinaltown Summer School. I just have questions. I'm a student So thank you professor What have you done for me lately You ain't lying. That's definitely a slogan. You're only good as your last game. What have you done for me lately?

You ain't lying about that. Fair, fair. Okay, so last episode we talked about the altercation between Tyrese Halliburton's dad and Giannis on the court after the Pacers' game five win. So Indiana's front office made a decision. They decided that John Halliburton should not attend the team's home or road games for an indefinite amount of time, meaning so when they continue on,

they don't want him there. So Maurice, after hearing that, what's your thoughts on that decision? Oh, this is just they just don't want the attention. That's the way I take it. No, and I hear I didn't know that they actually made a decision, but they just don't want the attention because you know, this is playoff basketball. People pay a lot of money for ad space. People pay for you to talk about the actual game and just that that altercation anything

that even sits in that realm of confrontation, distractions, or anything that brings an energy away from the actual game. I just don't think people want it. You don't want maybe another heckling fan who may be a Milwaukee fan to get at his face and it starts something else. And so the people who are making this decision or the people who are making these decisions

are people who are typically scary and they're doing stuff that's more preventative. And so, you know, I'm not to say if who was right and who was wrong. I've seen the guy on social media give his explanation in regards to what he has said to Giannis. And I don't even know if I heard a rebuttal from Giannis, but plain and simple, man, it's the playoffs. They don't want to see that shit. They can get it out of here. And that's the epitome of what I think it is. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you, Mo. This is an interesting situation

because why do people that are not in the game have so much passion as if they're in the game, right? So as dad is getting in Giannis' face. What if Giannis knock his dad out? Like what kind of situation is that now? Somebody knock your dad out on national television. That could be really crazy. And Indiana has had enough problems with fans and fights.

They don't need no more situation with fans and fights. So they're taking the right measure with not having them there. You got to control yourself that you're not in the game. This is this reminds me of John Morant pops, right? And shout out to John Morant, the whole Morant family. But sometimes people get involved as if they're playing a game and they're not, you know, and he got to control himself. And I like the direction they're going in, but they won't be around too long, you know,

they don't they get the Cavaliers next? Yeah, we won't have to worry about this. He definitely better not try that in Cleveland, because there's somebody in the stands that want to take on that problem for him. So he? No doubt. So, here being the right city for that. You gotta chill out, pops. You gotta chill out. Somebody knock your dad out on TV, it turns the whole playoffs. Yeah, I agree.

Listen, what I will say, I didn't know how they was gonna handle the situation, but this is consistency what I will say, I didn't know how they was gonna handle the situation, but this is consistency that I will say. I will say that the NBA is very consistent with this decision. I've seen people, heckle players get kicked out of games and not ever been able to come back to another game. They hit you with a ban for life,

for doing certain shit, or banned for two, three seasons, depending on what it is, but I've seen a few fans say they're not allowed in any NBA arena ever, not just Indiana. I've seen niggas get pushed to the point where they're not allowed in any NBA arena. So what I will say is that, it's cool that the Pacers did this because I didn't think the Pacers were actually doing it

because Halliburton's their superstar. I thought the NBA would step in and say, this is what it's gonna be. But the being that stat just read that the Pacers is handling, I think that's maturing them. I think the NBA said, clean up your own mess. Don't have to make us get involved, figure that out. But Mace is absolutely right.

And it was a big, big debate, like a yelling argument on what my niggas with Kenny Smith, Shaq, and Charles Barkley, where Shaq said it was aight with Halliburton, Father Dead, and Charles Barkley, and even Ernie, and Kenny Smith was like, this is not all right, you cannot do this. This man, first of all, you're emotional. You just got bumped from the playoffs.

Then you come walking towards me. I'm 6'11 of muscle, pause. Yo, bro, this is not a wild decision. Like May said, that shit could have been left if Yannis didn't hold his composure. I think that Yannis really did a great job holding his composure. But like what I said is, what I give the NBA Indian and Pacers credit for

is being consistent and holding them accountable like a regular fan, because this is what they would do to a regular fan. And the fact that they say indefinite, that means there's no amount of games. See, that word indefinite is tricky, because it could be a long time or it could be a short time. We don't know which one it is,

because they can sit there and be like, damn, we ain't see Tyrese Holliburton for over a year and a half. But then you can see him at game two of the next round. Indefinite is tricky. I would prefer a better answer than indefinite because that leaves the door open for next week or next year.

Yeah, they're used to dealing with this. They had, what's his name, Lance Stevenson, pause, blowin' a niggas' ears. They used to all of these antics. And you know, Indiana is the wrong city for black men to cut up, man. Just, it's the wrong city, man. You gotta chill out.

I would have liked to see Yana's, you know, just lift his dad off his feet a little bit. Just, just. They don't want the problems out there. Yeah, that was crazy. Yeah, if he would have grabbed them and just lift them up and put them down, chill out. You know, nothing too violent, you know, just you're out your league, man. Yeah. To you guys' point, maybe like, I don't know.

I do think that what his dad did was wrong and that should never happen because if it was anybody else, they would face a whole bunch of repercussions. But I, like, man, I'm like, can he just not be on the court? No, I'm with Ben. Let me tell you something, man. Let's be totally honest with you. Yeah, you're getting soft. I'm asking.

Look, let's be honest with you, and this is a reverse situation. Last year when the Milwaukee Bucks was there, and Patrick Beverly threw a ball at a fan in the audience, they shipped him to Israel, all right? So if the shoes on the other foot is fucked up, oh, this nigga just threw a ball at a fan. This nigga just, yo bro, you got niggas shipping niggas to Israel.

We ain't seen Pat in the NBA since that night. So the shoe on the other foot, I'm not saying shipping niggas to Israel, of course that, but you can't do that. Mase is absolutely correct, because it sounds funny what he's saying, but that shit could have went left with the wrong nigga. Look, let me tell you something.

If that was... And I can't even think of one person. If that was... And I hate that, and I know we always go back in the picture. If that was anybody... Anybody in the 90s, Pops would've been knocked the fuck out, bro. Straight like that. Walk up on Charles Barkley. Walk up on Rick Mahorn. Walk up on Charles Oakley.

Walk up on Bill Lambier. Walk up on Charles Barkley, walk up on Rick Mahorn, walk up on Charles Oakley, walk up on Bill Lambert, walk up on Anthony Mason, walk up on any of these people like that, and it wouldn't even been this conversation, you know? So like I said, that's why I gave you all a lot of credit, and I know you cannot walk up on anybody like that. You're in somebody's personal space at this point.

You cannot walk up on anybody like that. You're in somebody's personal space at this point. That's a societal issue though. You know, where social media just allows people to push boundaries. And I blame social media because that's the forum for the most disrespectful shit that you ever see and hear. And you just don't deal with direct consequence. You know what I mean?

And his pops may be a victim of that. You know, thinking that the way that you yell inside of your chat are, yeah, you're 140 characters on the X or the shit that you talk on Instagram. You know, I think all that stuff is a result of it. You know, plus pops probably was smoking, drinking, doing whatever.

But you know, that nigga was out of his mind to do that. Okay. Yeah, you gotta lift him off his feet, man. You gotta lift him off his feet. Lift. You gotta lift him off his feet. Just like that. Lift him off his feet and put him back down, pause, and then he'll recognize. I'm in over my head, pause.

Yeah, and if the nigga looking like me, I'm 6'11", all muscle, somebody that's fucking 5'11", come up to me, talk crazy, I'm gonna grab him by his ears, pause, and lift him up like that. From his head pause. Hey, hey, hey. Hand on the time before the nigga head falls.

Yo, chill out, little nigga. Okay, y'all. We are going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss these upcoming fights in New York. Don't go anywhere. ["Toxic"] Welcome back. So tonight Rockets versus Warriors game six. So let's get into our underdog picks.

Underdog has Steph Curry at 25 and a half points. Do you have him higher or lower Mace? My team, we got to go higher stat. For title town, we got to go higher. I'm just being consistent. You know what I'm saying? Yep. Style is over. She like, yep. I am. She like, yep. Like if you're wearing Rockets Red,

but like today it's not Rockets Red, like you know, it just changes. Yeah. Yeah. What I'm saying is that that little yellow in here, that's for your stuff. For sure. Yeah, man.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna hire too. I'm glad you caught it. Yeah, man. Yeah, I'm going higher too. I'm glad you caught it. Yeah, I'm going higher. I'm glad y'all caught this, sunshine. Oh, we know. You know, rep in Florida. That's what that is too, right? Yeah, it could be anything.

Title 10 on the move. Right, okay. Jimmy Butler's at 32 and a half points, rebounds and assists. You have him higher, Laura Cam. Higher. Yeah, him higher or lower, Cam? High. Yeah, we're going higher, especially, you know, Dillon Brooks and Randy's mouth is on now.

Okay. And Jalen Green's at 22 and a half points, rebounds and assists. Do you have him higher or lower, Mase? I'm going lower, lower, pause. I'm going lower, I don't like the way he acts. 22 and a half points, rebound then assist. That's a shame that niggas is playing like that.

I think I had 38 and a half double digits since. Yeah. Going lower too though. Okay, Macy, you're saying you don't like the way he's acting or you don't like the way he's playing, or both? I think he got to paint his nails silver for the playoffs. Okay.

Paint your nails silver and go crazy, you know? Nah, paint them that shit with your shit, Bad Bunny, some of your shit. Funny Bunny? Funny Bunny, yeah, paint them that shit. He said, just go, might as well just go ahead. Yeah. I mean, cause black ain't working for the playoffs,

so he gotta go silver but you gotta go disco. Not disco. Why you just don't paint them Houston Rock and Red? Yeah. The red fingernails remind me of my grandmother and them. Mine too. Yeah, like that. Yeah.

A bitch better not touch me with red fingernails. I don't like that shit, yo. That shit just remind me of old people, when, like, cougars and all that. The red... I wasn't actually allowed to wear red nails growing up. My mom said it was too grown, so I've never did the red.

It is definitely that type of a grandma. Yeah, he could go dark red. He could definitely go dark red, you know what I'm saying? He just gotta switch it up, because there's the playoffs. So when he look at his nails, if that give him energy, he could go like this and feel like he wanna play, you know? Well, that's what flows his boat. Yo, Murda, what if they end up beating Golden State

in this series and he going up to J-Maw and be like, yeah. Yeah. He definitely gonna get a nail polish deal. You know, he definitely get a nail polish deal. Somebody got a nail polish deal? Jared McCain with Sally Hansen, yes. It's too late, he ain't first. Yeah, if they ain't holding up the shoe,

they can hold up the shoe. Yeah, he ain't holding up the shoe. He ain't holding up the shoe. He ain't holding up the shoe. He ain't holding up the shoe. He ain't holding up the shoe. He ain't holding up the shoe. He ain't holding up the shoe. He ain't holding up the shoe. He ain't holding up the shoe. He ain't holding up the shoe. He ain't holding up the shoe. You know, he definitely get a nail polish. Somebody got a nail polish? Jared McCain with Sally Hansen, yes. It's too late.

He ain't first. Yeah, if they ain't holding up the shoe, they can hold up the nails. You even, I don't know, y'all. It's a different time. Make sure y'all download the Underdog app and you can make your picks too. So Ryan Garcia is returning to the ring

versus Rowley tonight, highlighting Times Square's first boxing event. The fight card also features Devin Haney versus Jose Ramirez and Teofimo Lopez versus Arnold Barbosa. So, Maurice, can I let you go first? What's your thoughts on this being the first ever fight card held outside in Times Square in New York City? And are you excited to watch the matches? Yeah, I'm a huge, huge, huge, huge boxing fan.

So, anytime you got a big fight that comes on, I think I buy every single fight that comes on. Huge, huge fight fan. But I'm excited for it. You know, I liked all the pre-fight antics. I liked all the crazy talking between each other. I even like seeing Ryan and Devin back in the same space. You know, I was talking to my guy earlier

when we were talking about this fight. I even like crazy Rowley, you know, because Rowley is crazy. I like Rowley's chances just from, you know, him being in New York and the atmosphere that New York seems to bring, the bigger-than-life feeling for some of these guys when they fight. And people love to fight in these grandiose environments.

So I'm happy for all of it. I want to see how Devin comes back after this Ryan Garcia fight that he toppled away, and him wanting to put a better performance to show that he's a different fighter. And I'm pretty sure people want to see Ryan win to potentially both of these guys have great performances so they can go ahead and run it back and try to get their second time to throw down.

So I don't know, I'm excited about it. I'll be tuned in for it and hopefully next week I'll give my recap if y'all don't do it prior to. Yeah, this is a lot of great storylines in this entire weekend. But I'm gonna start with the part that most people are interested in, and that's to see how Devin Haney returned.

I think he should return in a phenomenal way, look like he's in phenomenal shape. They brought on Shane Mosley Killer as a trainer. So I'm really interested to see how that improved his fighting style. And that's just one thing. He's fighting against a good fighter in Ramirez. And the tricky thing is that Ramirez has that dynamic left hook. So they picked a great fight for him to fight. The tricky thing is that Ramirez has that dynamic left hook.

So they picked a great fight for him to fight. This is definitely not a walkthrough. And then when you think of Ryan Garcia, that's another great fight. But I think this whole entire weekend, the person that stole the show was Teofimo. Teofimo is walking around in the old school wrestling mask and silver, talking crazy to everybody,

contradicting what everybody got to say. So I'm really looking forward to the person he's fighting because the person that he's fighting walked up to him, Killer, during a press conference or somewhere else and told him, let's let everybody else get out of the room and me and you fight. And it looked like he had something over to you, female. I'm not gonna lie.

But the one thing I wanna make clear, Turkey did not do nothing big. In New York, niggas been fighting in the middle of the street. This is not nothing new. So I don't think, like, they're like, yo, I've never seen people fight in the middle of the streets. You never been in New York.

Niggas been fighting in the middle of the streets. But I'm interested to see how that's gonna work. Cause you know, what if they get coal out there and you're boxing, you know, with your shirt off. We're gonna see who really a street nigga is. I think that's the only way to look at it. I think Golden Boy is doing this, if I'm not mistaken. Who's promoting this right?

Yeah, I believe it's Golden. Ring Magazine. Oh, is it? Okay. Ring Magazine, Golden and Boy. Yeah, I seen Oscar doing that. Turkey got something to do with it too? I just think it's- Probably. Yeah, I'm just saying, cause got something to do with it too? I just think it's, I- Probably.

Yeah, I'm just saying, cause Asuka been bragging about it. What I will say is y'all made some great points about the fight and I leave that up to you. What I'm hoping is this, is that the weather's good. That this is free outside. I know niggas in the city, niggas that hit me, niggas is renting suites at the hotel so they can look there and see the fight

from certain hotel rooms where they're gonna have to fight the ring at. Niggas is going to look, it's free from what I'm understanding. I could be wrong, but I know it's outside. What I'm hoping is just weather-wise, everything goes good. I hope it ain't no rain, it doesn't rain. They got like a 45% chance to rain later tonight.

I just hope it all goes well because if it doesn't, if it gets cold outside, if it starts to rain, if somebody throws a bottle in the rain, these are all excuses. This could happen, this could happen. You don't know what you get when you giving a free crap. You know what I'm saying, nigga? The wind blow dust in your eye.

You couldn't see. Yeah, this is all excuses for whoever loses to use if the weather doesn't go right. Like I said, all these are great excuses if shit doesn't go right. So I hope it's not a cold night. I hope it doesn't rain. I hope it's not breezy.

I hope that New York City, all our niggas act right. And I'm not talking about my nigga, I'm talking about us as a hope that New York City, all our niggas act right. And I'm not talking about my niggas, I'm talking about us as a community, New York City, act right. And this doesn't interfere in how the fight comes out. That's all I'm wishing for so far. Yeah, good point. It will be interesting. Yeah, and they say it's only 300 seats around the ring.

So that's really interesting to see who's gonna be sitting in those 300 seats. And you gotta forget throwing bottles. What if a nigga gets shot in a boxing match? This is... This is New York. You can't play in something like that. Can't... God forbid, you know?

Which we hope doesn't happen. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's New York. Anytime a nigga's fighting in the middle of the street, which we hope doesn't happen. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's New York. Anytime niggas fighting in the middle of the streets, anything can happen. And not only that, let me tell you something, man. And also too, Devin Haney's supposed to come on the show

next week, we spoke to his people. He said he wants to come here immediately after the fight. So hopefully I have some information on what day he'll be here again next week. But to Mace's point, listen, let me tell you something, right? I told you all about it before. I went to fight Bernard Hopkins, like, 10 years, maybe 12 years ago.

And I was telling my niggas, and they like, yo, Cam, you're bugging and fighting Bernard Hopkins. I said, nah, I got my strategy. I'm a jabber, I'm sitting outside. They say, yo, bro, you know if a shit going left, we running in the ring. I'm telling you that right now. I'm telling you.

And I'm like, and he said, yo, niggas was like, yo, I'm just telling you, bro, you wilding out, if this shit ends up happening, we going, if shit going left and you look like you in trouble, we running in the ring. See a female from New York, man, like you don't know what the potential nobody got. When, it's what I'm saying.

I hope they got this right. I hope they... Yeah. That's all I can wish is that I hope they got this thing right, man. It's a lot of variables to make this shit go the wrong way, man. OK, so.

That's 100% the truth. And thinking about that is just Nate Jones is actually training with Devin Haney, too. So it looked like he added a lot of new firepower to his team. Really interesting to see how this goes. For sure. OK, so last thing before we wrap. So the Eagles were invited to visit the White House after their Super Bowl win, as all teams are to be honored.

Eagles players Jalen Hurts, A.J. Brown, Devontae Smith and others didn't attend due to scheduling conflicts. Saquon Barkley did attend but faced backlash. He has since tweeted, LOL, some people are really upset because I played golf and flew to the White House with the president. Maybe I just respect the office. Not a hard concept to understand. Just golf with Obama not too long ago and look forward to finishing my round with Trump. Maurice, what's your thoughts on the situation than basically Saquon having to defend himself via social media?

Yeah, he would just, he could have answered it another way. And I'm pretty sure, you know, we've all done that. And you answer something one way when somebody asks you. But at the end of the day, what he really wanna tell us everybody is that, you know, y'all don't have shit going on or the same shit I have going on. And, you know, being of the day, what he really wanna tell is everybody is that, you know, y'all don't have shit going on or the same shit I have going on. And, you know, being with the situation,

I'm in a Super Bowl running back and, you know, I'm being celebrated. You know, all this stuff comes with the territory. And depending on what you're trying to get accomplished and how you're looking to move forward, you know, you may do things that may seem unpopular to other people, but it fits your agenda. And I think you can just pretty much put that on anybody.

You know, whatever you have personally going on is gonna make sense with who you align yourself with, who you wanna do business with. You know, we hate to say it, but sometimes the more money you make, you end up in more conservative rooms. So his handlers, his crew, his agent, his manager, you know, his whole infrastructure

may be all Republicans, you know what I'm saying? And he may have personal feelings, or his family may have personal feelings towards Republicans, or, you know, just this, you know, this skewed look. And he just like, hey, man, you know, I'm going to get everything I'm supposed to be getting from this game, and me going to associate with Trump

shouldn't be a big deal. But sometimes when the people who don't have the same thing to lose, and they offer that criticism, you have to remember that we all function from our different vantage points. And it's typically on what do you have to lose or what you're trying to get accomplished. So if guys wanna go, they go.

If they don't, they don't. But I think people make this stuff more than what it is. Like if you don't go see Trump, he don't give a fuck. You know what I mean? I think niggas be thinking their opinions really matter. But, you know, when you start to get around people with large sums of money and large sums of power,

like, you start to realize how insignificant a lot of people are. And a lot of niggas just be talking just to talk, so... Yeah. I think people be taking taking the politics way too far. And they gotta be mad at Trump for smoke weed in front of his children. I don't get it. It don't make sense to me. Like, okay, you for black people, but you, you know, you keep guns around children.

I don't get it. I wouldn't be a good guy to talk to because all of it doesn't make sense to me. I'm more confused if we fucking with Trump or not as black people. When he giving out the PPP, I be like, Trump is that nigga, man. I'll fuck with Trump.

I loved Trump when the PPP was out. Ain't been no PPP for a minute. Now motherfucking black niggas is mad again. That's what I'm saying. We can't win it. Niggas won this second round. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. Niggas won this second round.

Now nigga mad at Saquon for going to the Wows. Everybody was at the Wows, it was cool when he free Kodak Black. It's free when Lil Wayne got partin'. Nigga was a real nigga when niggas started partin' and all them niggas and all that shit. PPP was out, Trump was the best nigga in the world, nigga. Nobody was bad at Trump.

Niggas talkin' about they gonna get the Trump sneakers. Shits was wax, $700 gold joints. Niggas was ready to go get the Trump sneakers. Shit got, he been in the office four months, shit slow. They like, no checks? Nigga, he ain't said nothing yet. Been four months, fuck what you doing? Nigga said, nah, you usually take him a year.

I don't know, man. Black people, one minute we fucking, one minute we not. And I know this, Philly is a democratic city. Not just a democratic city, it's real black. Philly is real black. A lot of Muslims, shout out to my Muslim brothers out there in Philadelphia, it's real,

it's a real black city. So I don't know if Philly mad or who mad or whoever ain't mad, but what I'm saying is, I don't know when, what time niggas could be cool with Trump and what time they can. Cause niggas be cool with Trump when it's convenient for them. When I was, when PPP was going on,

I was getting jealous. I couldn't get down with it. I'm like, I don't get down with PPP. Niggas got fucking seven Lamborghini trucks in front of projects. I drove past Lincoln Projects for those that don't know. I said, huh, you know, pretty tough projects over there. Seven Lamborghini trucks.

I'm going to an FDR hunt 32nd. Seven Lamborghini trucks. I'm going to FDR in 132nd. Seven Lamborghini trucks back to back. Niggas getting custom jewelry, all type of shit. Shit with you. Nah, fuck with Trump. What did Obama ever do for us? Da da da da. Then when Biden came in, niggas all about,

yo, this nigga fucking up shit, I want Trump back this, that, and the thing. Look, I don't know what year we could be cool with Trump and what year we not. I don't know, but I would say, Kwon, do what the fuck you want, because I don't know the rules on when you could be cool with Trump.

I have no idea. And that is that. That's 100% right. That's 100% right. Trump put a lot of money in the hood, man. I don't know how niggas feel about that, but Trump. I'm not jacking that knee, but he was just the right president at the right time when a crisis happened. So that's another thing.

Niggas be thinking like, yo, nah, Trump looked out. Trump ain't going to his bank account. Trump went in the fucking treasury or whatever the fuck they got up there in the whales and spent that money. But because he was the president, niggas like, nah, Trump looked out. Now he did what he's supposed. But because he was the president, niggas like nah, Trump looked out. Now he did what he's supposed to do.

He was the president in the middle of a crisis. I'm pretty sure, see that's why I'm trying to say murder, not you, I'm just saying in general. Other niggas would sit there if COVID hit and Barack would say, nah, Barack wouldn't have gave us what Trump gave us. How much did Trump really get niggas? He gave niggas about $1,200 a couple times

and everything else niggas was scamming. That's basically it. Niggas start scamming niggas that businesses, niggas that all type of shit. You right, killer. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He didn't veto it though. He didn't veto it.

He could have put his vote in and say, you know, I don't like that. Yeah, that's true. You know Obama, Obama said, you know, I don't wanna make it look like I'm just helping black people. He would have not did it, you know. That PPP helped out a lot, you know.

Niggas can't go to work. The first time I was jealous of street niggas. Yeah, that shit was wild. They was up. Maurice, did you have one more pointer? No, I was just going to make the point there. Everybody was running routes. It just wasn't niggas.

Yeah, this is true. That's a fact. That's a whole fact. The route runner was out of control. So what the fuck are you guys up to, brother? is we're gonna keep this open for everybody and if you're a coyote, you know you're gonna coyote, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's a fact.

True. Mo, Mo, but this is the closest we ever got to reparations though. You gotta pay attention to that. It's closest we ever got to reparations. We ain't get there with Jesse, we ain't get there with, um, Jesse, we ain't get there with Al Sharpton, you know what I'm saying?

We ain't get there with Clinton, Reagan. Reagan was a good president, you know? And this is, if it happened on your watch, they give you the credit, you know what I'm saying? If it happened on your watch, we know that. Hold on, Scott, Scott look like she got something to say about this. What you gotta say about this? I didn't have we know that. Scott look like she got something to say about this. What you got to say about this?

I didn't have to say anything. I was just gonna say. What's the take on it? My take? I was triggering. Yeah, I wanna know Scott's take. Yeah, of course y'all do. I just think that there's Republicans,

there's Democrats, and there's Trump supporters. Do what you want. Associate yourself with who you want to associate yourself with. Did he help certain people at certain times? Yes. Is he also not helping people at certain times? That is also true. I'm gonna say what May says. Two things can be right at the same time. So, do what y'all want with that information.

You was making a face on the reparations. Yeah, that was not reparations. It's like nowhere close to it. But I'ma let you say what you gotta say, Mase. This is your summer school, not mine. I'm just here to listen. Yeah. Instead, like Drake said, niggas never loved us, man. No comment.

Well, that is all the time that we have for today, Maurice. You know, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. Always. Thank you all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.