IT IS WHAT IT IS - JIMMY BUTLER VS. PAT RILEY MIGHT BE GOING DOWN & WHO SHOULD THE TITANS TAKE AT #1?! | S6 EP9

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

Ma$e, Cam’ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one!! On this episode, we discuss WTF going on in Miami between Jimmy Butler & Pat Riley with this suspension coming the way of the NBA Superstar, would you be interested in an NBA Euro League and who should the Titans take in the NFL draft with the #1 overall pick?! Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Support the show and sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code CAM and get a $1000 first deposit match, and a Special Pick'em pick. Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson , Producer Ayooo Nick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello y'all, uh I was selling crack on a private jet up in a hell and back But no confusion, this a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Yeah, Murda here, he countin' money He said, can't man the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga

Black fences and white vigas Now I'm out here and I'm lookin' for more chandeliers and light pictures Nah, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is, this episode is sponsored by Underdog. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states, including California, Texas, and New York, just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog is available in more than 30 states, including California, Texas, and New York, just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog app. Use code MACE, CAM, or STAT to get up to $1,000

in bonus cash with your first deposit and a free pick. I'm Treasurer Wilson, AKA STAT, baby, along with your hosts Mace and Cam, and today we are joined with our analyst, Maurice Claret. Murda, what up? Hello, what's good? Murda, what up, baby, how you? My man, all is well, all is well. Looking good.

Yo, stat real quick. I got an update. So I spoke to Miss Tanya, which is Saquon Barkley's mother today. So Bop came through actually today and I spoke to Saquon Barkley's mom.. So, Bop came through actually today and I spoke to Saquon Barkley's mom. He's gonna be on the show, if not the next week, the week after, depending on how this weekend goes.

Shug didn't wanna come in the room. Bop is right here. Bop said, Shug don't wanna come in the room tonight. He looking at the door. Coincidence. Yeah, Shug. He said, Shug don't wanna come in the room because I did speak, shout out to you, Miss Tanya,

say Cronbach Lee's mom and he'll be on the show soon. So Bob actually made it happen, man. Shug, Shug, you don't got, yo Shug. Shug ain't even coming in today. Shug don't want to fuck around. Oh, here he comes. You nigga peeking through. I spoke to Miss Tanya.

I still don't believe it. Shug, you got the dog, come here for a minute. Grab, get the mic, what happened? So what happened? I was on Murder Yesterday, I don't know if you've seen the show, it was a big argument, because Sugar said that Bob wasn't related to Saquon Barkley, and I actually spoke to Miss Tonya.

Now, Sugar's saying Miss Tonya is not Miss Tonya. We don't know if that's his mother or not. Is that what you're saying, Sugar? That's exactly what I'm saying. He was texting some person today. I don't think this is the real people you're talking to. Right, for real. He got a text earlier that said, call this number.

Never call. All right, we gonna see, the countdown's on. So I just wanted to let y'all know, I spoke to somebody. You know what, during the show, let's Google say Kwan Bap's name. I got you, yeah. After we start the first topic, and let's solidify if that's his mother's name.

But we can start the show, I ain't wanna hold on you while I buy, Bap wanted his props. So I had to give Bap Bap his props. I'm still trying to find a family tree. Okay, sir. That is his mom's name, Tonya Johnson. Oh, uh oh. Tonya Johnson.

Oh. Who's Barclay then? Uh oh. His father, father. Yeah. All right. Uh oh, his mother. Uh oh, I smoked at Miss Tonya today.

You did, you did. All right. You saying nothing. She sounds shaky too. All right. She sound shaky too. All right, well we gonna see. So far, Bop is up. You're moving the gold pose. Yeah, definitely moving the gold pose. Murda just said you're moving the gold pose.

Yeah. That's funny. Well, can't wait to have Saquon join the show. I think it's gonna happen. I believe you. We'll see it in a couple days So y'all make sure you look forward to that next episode But today we're actually gonna get started with the Warriors and Draymond

They got a lot of back-and-forth going on. So when talking about his Warriors teammates, Jordan Poole said I love the guys over there I love most of the guys over there then J Draymond replied and said, I really am sorry. He then further explained on his podcast and said, I responded because it's been three years, like, let's move on. I really am sorry. That statement was kind of like it was looking for some sympathy. Kind of keep wanting me to make me out as the bad guy. Move on, bro. It is what it is. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have punched him, but it happened. Let's move on. So Marie's going to let you go first. What do you think of the exchanges between Draymond? I'm not really going to say it's an exchange because mainly Draymond speaking.

But what do you think of what he had to say about the situation to this day? They both are right from their perspective. You know, I mean, with Jordan Poole, you know, somebody punch you in your face or somebody do some sort of harm to you physically, we all have some level of conflict. Some people just aren't going to get over certain things. He's going to be offended and getting punched in your shit and then having the world see it.

There's two layers. One, if you get punched and hit, that's part of a fight. I'd have got punched in my face before just fighting somebody, right in this day and age when you get punched in your shit you got to play it on the internet that's a whole different level of embarrassment I think that Jordan Poole having to live that over and people probably troll him with that probably do something else to him but then also understand Dre Mon Green where he's like hey man look um like I did it I said I'm sorry I apologize I'm sincere with it and you know I just want to go ahead and move on so that, you know, like I say, two things to me right at the same time. They both have perspectives on it. But, you know, it is what it is. You know what I mean? Hopefully, Jordan Poole will grow to a point and get past it.

Yeah, I think when it comes to Jordan Poole, he's extremely embarrassed and it's an embarrassment that doesn't go away right away, because it happened in a sport that he's still in, I mean, in a career that he's still a part of, as well as you gotta see the person that punched you probably like two or three times that year. So every time you see that person,

just imagine somebody doing something to you and you gotta keep seeing them time after time. It's almost like rehashing that same, how do they say it? Triggering that same emotion. And then another thing that's going on here is that I think Draymond, I mean from anybody does this, let's take Draymond out of it.

Any person that talked that way is being extremely insensitive to what just happened because when you harm people, they teach you that in therapy, that in counseling that you don't decide how long people take to get over something when you're the person that did the wrong to them. So if it takes them two years, fine. If it takes them 10 years, it's unfortunate, but every person deserves the time they need to heal. Just like I remember it happened with an R&B singer and another singer where the person was hurt

and then everybody says, you know, not everybody, but most people be like, man, they should get over that by now. They should get over that by now. And it just doesn't work that way. When you do stuff to people, it will take as long as it take for them to get over it and to not acknowledge that is a very narcissistic trait.

But, you know, that would be my take. Yeah, listen, even if somebody gets over it, we're in an era to where it's gonna get brought up. Shit with me, it don't even, not necessarily even fights anything negative, no matter all the positive stuff that I've done. When something happens, they'll bring up some shit from 1998, 2001.

When you in the internet era, it's receipts. And you don't even know, besides, makes more than build up a good point. Not just having to see him two times a year, because they, you know, the East and West Coast teams see each other twice a year. Imagine if they was in the same division or the same coast, it'd be more than that.

But besides just seeing him, you have to think about when somebody wants to make fun of somebody else, they might put up the Jordan pool, shouldn't be like, you got knocked out. Or you don't know what they're using that footage for, and then when they use it for them, they tag them as well. So sometimes you may be over it, but it gets reminded because people tag you and they use it for them, they tag them as well. So sometimes you may be over it, but it gets reminded because people tag you and they use it for different things

that has nothing necessarily to do with the situation. So when you're dealing with this era, probably being with the internet, it may never go away because people could pull it up, pause whenever they want to, and use it for something else. Now it's up to, like Mase made some great points, it's up to the person to be like,

oh, I don't give a fuck, I don't give a fuck. But Maurice also brought a great point. Once it got out and leaked, it got bad. I don't think it would have been that bad if it wasn't in house. Whoever had that person was running the Golden State camera crew for practices and everything, they are sucka for putting it out.

But once it's out, it's out. So I understand Dre Mar's point of view because he's like, yo, it's been three years, get over it. But it's a couple things. Jordan Poole, he may be over it, but you don't know how many times a year he has to see that in his phone, on YouTube, or anything else like that, a meme, anything.

So, let's say he's almost over it, then it gets rung up again. Or let's say he arguing with somebody, and they be like, shut up before I knock you out, like Draymond knocked you the fuck out, nigga. Say something else, nigga. Don't talk to me crazy, cause you already know.

You gotta deal with that. You know what I'm saying? So, I understand both points, but I don't think for Jordan Poole it's gonna go away because we may not see it every day as just casuals, but you don't know what he has to see, how many times a day, week, month, yearly, et cetera. As far as Draymond's apology,

like I don't even still see it as an apology cause it was a half ass apology. You can't tell me how to feel about something that you did to me. And it wasn't even just verbal. It was something physical. You literally punch dude. You little bro'd him. Then he got traded.

I would be mad for a long time because they had a really good thing going on at the Warriors. So it makes total sense to me why Jordan, Jordan Poole would be frustrated because he's valid to be frustrated. So I understand how Draymond feels, but I can't attest to how their relationship was, but I'm sure that was somebody that he looked up to playing alongside him as teammates. So for that whole debacle to happen and then like to Cairns point to even you guys' point it being memeable, it's still being talked about it being brought up in interviews.

That's something that Jordan Poole will quite let it literally never forget. And as a result, he's playing on the Wizards, an organization that I'm not sure if he wants to be at right now. It's just a lot going on and he forever has to remember that. So you can't put somebody in the face and then tell him to move on because it doesn't work like that. That's my thoughts. So if Draymond wants to have a sincere apology towards him He's gonna have to figure out something else because I just don't think that's the way to do it Okay, so next we got Jimmy Butler

So he was suspended again this time for two games after missing a team flight The Heat has also lost five out of their six recent games Eric Spolstra had a message for the team saying, the point that I made to our team is to get used to it, get over it. This is the NBA life. This is the life we chose. If you think it's going to be predictable, you're really mistaken. So Maurice, what do you think of this behavior from Jimmy Butler? This is another suspension that he's had.

And then just the mentality of the Miami Heat right now. that he's had and then just the mentality of the Miami Heat right now. I just Jimmy Butler I think just acting out you know obviously he wanted an extension with his contract he didn't get the extension that he wanted and sometimes you just don't know how to address things head on. Pause you don't know how to just deal with the contract that you signed and honor it and and work through it and then get to a situation where you're a little bit older and hopefully you've been productive and hopefully you can renegotiate for more money. But this is just him not wanting to be a professional.

And I get it. I mean, you play basketball, the earning potential is for a set number of years, you realize that there's guys getting $55 and $60 million or you want to extend your contract and I get it. Like that's part of it, but on the flip side of that coin, somebody gave you that extension or somebody gave you the current contract that you had when you had a worse contract

and they're just saying, hey man, can you honor that? So sometimes we do things that when we look back on and we get embarrassed about how we were trying to get somebody's attention or how we did it. But sometimes I think these niggas lose perspective with like $50 million, a lot of fucking money. You know what I'm saying? And sometimes these dudes just be,

I think they'd be around too many rich motherfuckers to have perspective, right? And if a nigga telling you, like go play basketball for $50 million and you go talk to just a regular everyday working person or just some people in a normal world or normal America, it's like, you know, you kind of hit the reset button. Like go talk to some people at home.

And I know he grew up kind of fucked up and got bounced around to different families and stuff like that. But if you talk to everyday people who have to purchase those six to get to those games, you realize that you tripping for fucking up a crazy situation. I think we sat here and saw Levion Bale.

He admitted that he wished he handled his situation different. And I think Jimmy Butler will look back on us and say, hey, man, I probably could have done a little bit different, but that's life. Yeah, I definitely I definitely agree with that point when it comes to how they're responding to what it is that they have in front of them. When you look at somebody like Jimmy Butler, pause. He's he's in a he's in a good situation I mean if you

if you taking the consideration what he came from all of his upbringing he should be extremely grateful for where he is and and his attitude a lot of a lot of a lot of winning has to do with attitude it's his attitude that's not sitting well with Pat Riley and Pat Riley knows if he if he's gonna win Yeah, they used to say your attitude is your altitude you're gonna go as high as your attitude and when your star player got a Like a funny attitude then you're just not gonna win, you know what I'm saying? So this verifies why they're in that five game

You know losing streak and then when you're on a road with someone that doesn't want to be there, and this is the key player, you got to think, is all of this going on, the dramatics, everybody got to focus on a person that doesn't want to be there. Think of how we've all played sports. Think of how, like, just unfavorable that is for everybody. We got to focus on this nigga, and he doesn't want to be here.

Is is is just going to be a problem and a consistent problem. I think they're behind the eight ball pause. They've been should have got rid of Jimmy Butler. And they don't end up having to take what they could take pause to get them out of there because it's going to end up being a cancer to other people because they got young players there still learning at NBA and this is not how you want them to learn it, you know? Yeah, listen, before I get to Jimmy Butler,

both you guys said something and I totally agree with you guys at the beginning talking about how he makes this amount of money and the average working person doesn't. And Macy followed up with agreeing to what Mo said, and I totally agree with y'all. But just to play devil's advocate real quick, to just that point before I move on to Jimmy Butler.

People gotta stop that shit. Like, you can't be like, yo, you make $50 million. That man practiced to make $50 million. Do you know what, you can't be like, yo, you make $50 million. That man practiced to make $50 million. Do you know what I hate when I be like, you got this because you're a rapper. Do you know how long I practiced to be a rapper? You know how long you got this because you, if you wasn't a rapper, yo, my nigga.

You act like one day I woke up in my 20s, like, you know what, I'm just gonna be a millionaire by becoming to be a rapper. I was rapping, my elementary school speech was a rap. I've been rapping junior high school. I rapped to high school with Mace. Yo, it's not my overnight niggas be making rap. If you wanted to be going to school and go traditional

and say, I'm gonna go get a high school diploma, then I'm gonna go get my bachelor's degree. Then I'm gonna go get my bachelor's degree. Then I'm gonna go get my, I mean my associate's degree, then my bachelor's degree, then my master's degree, and now you sitting in the world trying to find a job and pay student loan backs because 20 million Americans are doing it per year and it's only 200,000 jobs.

Don't get mad at me because I throw it outside the box and I prefer the craft that I was doing. So I don't like that part when people be like, well he's making this much money and if he wasn't doing this, then he wouldn't be. Now it ain't my fault I chose this direction and thank God that it worked out. So I just wanted to say that part,

even though I totally agree with you guys that it's a lot, a lot of money to be playing basketball and people in their 80s and 90s wasn't making this money that he got. But I just want to speak on that part because people do it to me when I get into arguments. You wouldn't have this if you wasn't in there. You want to go to all your classes.

I didn't want to go to all my classes. I wanted to practice some other shit. So I just wanted to put that out there before I continue. But I do agree with you guys. So I totally agree with you guys. You know what I'm saying? I totally do. You know what I'm saying, no Mo?

That's like saying, oh you. No, I said no. No, no, I'm saying no. The reason I think it's dope because you was a star athlete too and you probably got a little more no disrespect to the wife and the kids, but you got a little extra girls on the side.

Little favors at the restaurant where you ain't gotta pay. Ride around Columbus, do what the fuck you wanna do, go to Youngstown police. No, that's where we, you know, you get them benefits. Let them do it, let them do it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Don't get mad at niggas, cause they, you know what I'm saying?

That shit come with it. They niggas get mad at you cause that's the career path that you chose. You ain't be doing nothing. Yeah, yeah, all right. You know what I'm saying? All right, let me say this. Go ahead. Everybody gotta put their 10,000 hours in.

So pause, what you chose to put your 10,000 hours into, made you millions, made me millions, made more millions, you know? So that's just where it's at. Go ahead, Mo. I ain't mean to cut you off. No, so I might have blurred two points. So the first point I was making was that you signed a contract with somebody like honor

the contract. You make it 50 million a year. Right. And then I was saying like from another perspective, like, okay, so if you sign an agreement, you have to honor the agreement. That's the Miami heats argument. The second part of that is saying that $50 million, like we're talking about $50 million. Like sometimes dudes talk about large sums of money

as if like, it's like 20 bucks. You know what I'm saying? I remember back when Michael Jordan had made for that one year, he had made $38 million and people like lost their mind that, you know, he had made that at the end of his career after he had done so much. And then when you think about $50 million, man,

I'd just be like, man, I see regular everyday people. Like sometimes I think we lose perspective on money and sometimes dudes talk about large sums of money. So I wasn't saying that he doesn't deserve that, but I probably blurted points when I was talking. No, like I said, yeah, use pocket watch. Use pocket watch.

Like I said, to be honest, I totally agree with you. I just want to play devil's advocate to the point because I agree with both of what y'all said, but I just, I go through that sometimes. Sometimes I'll go to my old neighborhood and they'll be like, Ken, what are you doing here? And I'll be like, nigga, I grew up in this, fuck you talking about. Oh shit. Like, yo, but this is what I'm trying to say. Niggas, because you practice your craft, and I know I'm not an athlete, but this is what I'm trying to say. They think it's because you practice your craft

and I know I'm not an athlete, but you still get labeled because you're famous or actor or whatever you're successful in this entertainment field. People will be like, well, if you wasn't doing this, well, whatever, I am doing this. So whatever, so whatever. They're trying to literally give you survivors remorse. That's what it's called.

Yeah, thank you. They want you to feel bad that you made it. Yeah, well thank you for that terminology because I don't have it. I'm not taking the survivors remorse. I don't got it, my man. I'm not gonna feel bad about it. I don't feel bad a little bit about it, to tell the truth.

I just want you to know that with the eyes of getting out of where I was at, niggas, you, at nine out of ten times, you had better chances than me. The chances were slim in none where I was at, nigga. Word. So, I just, I totally agree with you, but I just wanted to bring that point up.

But yeah, back to Jimmy Butler. Look, what I think Jimmy Butler is doing is this. He gets his way out of certain teams, when he's Minnesota, whatever it was, Philly, whatever. Even though the contract was up in Philly. I think what Jimmy Butler is saying to me, this is my personal opinion. Like, James Harden do whatever the fuck he wanna do

and I'm gonna try the James Harden shit. See how it go. Fuck that, Horton, get whatever he want whenever he want. He go to the team he want, he go to the city he want, he leave when he want, he force his way out.

And the problem is that James Horton never had to deal with Pat Riley. And when you dealing with Pat Riley, Pat Riley just not gonna budge. Jimmy contract, Jimmy contract. Jimmy Butler's on the last year's contract with a $50 million plus option for next season.

And he'll probably opt out because he doesn't want to be there and another $50-something million is not bad. But at the end of the day, this is how Power Rally is. We got to think about this. The trade deadline is probably up in about three weeks, maybe a little more than three weeks right before All-Star. And if you don't get a trade done by then, you don't get anything

because Jimmy Butler can leave at the end of the season. But that's what Pat Riley's willing to risk. It's principle with that nigga. You know what I'm saying? He's at the point where I won't get nothing than give this nigga the way he want, give him whatever the fuck he think he wants. I don't think the nigga know me like that.

I don't give a fuck. You gotta think about this, Pat Riley, whether it's beneficial, not beneficial, whatever, we gotta think about how, I don't know if people know this and all the facts, and I don't know all the facts, LeBron left Miami because of some parking spaces and a few million. Nah, you're not gonna be parking up here.

You know what I'm saying? These is all speculation and the rumors was out. I'm pretty sure I could get some real info if I wanted to, but I didn't know he was diving. I was gonna go down this path. But the reason why LeBron left, it was over things that were really, really petty to the point where when LeBron became a free agent,

he told Pat Riley to come to his house in LA to have a meeting with him to see if he would re-sign with Miami. Had Pat Riley fly to LA, had the meeting with him, and when Pat Riley landed back in Miami, he said, nah, I think I'm gonna go back to Cleveland. He made the nigga fly out there knowing he wasn't going to re-sign with the Heat.

Nigga said, nah, take these 12 hours on the flight, nigga, six there, six back, fuck outta here, playing games with me, I'm going back to Cleveland. So that's the type of shit, niggas, that's how mad Pat Riley may get somebody. And Jimmy Butler's just in the middle of all that right now, but look, Pat Riley's willing to risk not getting anything back just to prove a point.

Yeah, and the last thing I wanted to say to correct something I said earlier about the 50 million, even though it's a lot, money is relative. I remember one of the older icons of basketball, one time they were speaking, I forgot who exactly it was but they was talking about How do you feel making these amount of millions when players today? Not as good as you make these amount of millions and they was talking about two different accounts But he was basically saying the money is relative the The amount of money he was making back then

was like the money they was making today because the cost of living was that much cheaper. The cost of a car was that much cheaper. So now they're saying basically it's relative. It's no different than an artist right now. You know, the artist just got signed for eight million. People say, well, how you get money? It's relative.

Nobody's hating on that. That's relative. For today, that would be eight million. So we shout out to, shout out to Jello, shout out to Jimmy Butler, shout out to everybody getting money. When you getting money, you don't mind other people getting money.

So anybody mad with niggas getting money probably ain't getting money. And then I actually have a follow up question. I just want to get you guys' initial reaction. So Swaggy P actually asked on Twitter, do you guys believe Pat Riley is the Jerry Jones of the NBA? I just want you guys' initial reactions before we move on to the next point. Maurice going to let you go first. When you hear that, do you agree or do you disagree? I agree.

He wilder. Jerry Jones. Yeah, he's definitely Jerry Jones of the NBA. Mace, what are you? He doesn't own the team, but he's a distraction. For real? You would call Pat Riley a distraction. For real? You call Pat Riley a distraction?

Yeah, you know, he's, he's, he's problematic. Like can't look. Okay. I can go down the whole, I don't know if we have a whole show to get through, but he, he has a history of being problematic, right? Outside of the Lakers back in the day, big enough Pat Riley, I don't ever hear people talking positive about Pat Riley. That's just, I just never heard somebody go out here

and say, man, I went to the Heat and I just had this amazing experience, right? What's the guy's name? What's the enforcer for Miami Heat? Him and Mike Miller, Matt Miller, whatever his name is. What's the black dude? I'm drawing a black, y'all know who I about. Haslip, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Haslip, right? So he got a part. He got a podcast, right? With dude. I never heard these dudes like clip a segment and say Pat

Riley was that guy. You know what I'm saying? I just never heard anybody talk positive about the guy. Yeah. Pat Riley is like the teacher that you hate in high school, but you know he made you better. You know what I'm saying? He's not Bobby Knight. He's really like up there with Mike Szczeski and coaches like that. That's gonna make you play the right way.

Yes, man, it's Pat Riley. Everybody try to win with Pat Riley. I just wanted to get that mixed opinion right there because I'm actually a really big fan and I like Pat Riley, pause. Because he makes people, he keeps everybody accountable. Like these players today, they don't have accountability when you reach a certain level of athleticism and basketball,

like craftsmanship. It just seemed like you get away with anything. And Pat Riley was like, no, I've coached Magic Johnson. I've coached this person. And I know you got to take a smoother approach like Killaby talking about when you're dealing with a different generation, they're more sensitive, they're more in touch with their feelings and things like that. And I don't mean that in no bad way. You got to find a new way to communicate with them. But I'm all for holding them accountable. Mo, you saw it. We just won another championship, Mo. You don't get that without accountability. Mo, are you coming to ring ceremony? I was talking about a ring.

Are you gonna be there? Did they tell you about getting a ring, bro? Yeah, they told me about getting a ring. Okay, I'm just making sure. I didn't mean nothing by that, Cam. They did just call me and told me this. I already got my video, mate. She wasn't here the day that Coach Day sent me my video.

I actually have a video as well. I didn't post it yet. And the thing about it is this, Murda, is that I'm not gonna get into what I wanna get into, but I'm loved around the school, around the campus, for other things that I used to do. I wasn't necessarily on the field, but I was in the field. I wasn't on the field, I was in the field, but I respected.

I respected, man. Yeah, okay. Yeah, but I do not think that Pat Rowley is like Jerry Jones. Look, Jerry Jones, every time he's on the field, he's like, okay. Yeah, but I do not think that Pat Riley is like Jerry Jones. Look, Jerry Jones every week is on TV after the game. He can't wait to that game. I think he's more excited for the game to be over so he can run to the press and say everything he wants to say.

Pat Riley is not on, he'll give his beginning of the season speeches, maybe a couple mid dirt throughout the season, and his closing speech when the season's over. But let's just run down real quick Pat Riley's statistics. I think Jerry Jones had three championships, if I'm not mistaken, two back to back, and then one time in 1995, as an owner. Pat Rowley is first team All-American 1966,

SEC player of the year 1966. His number 42 retired with the Kentucky Wildcats. Five time NBA champion as a coach, an NBA champion as a player, three time coach of the year, nine time NBA All-Star coach, top 10 coaches in NBA history, the Czech Daily Lifetime Achievement Award,

two-time NBA champion as an executive, NBA executive of the year. He has four different championships, more than four in the span of four decades. So he's won in the 70s as a player So he's won in the 70s as a player, he's won in the 80s as a coach, he's won in the 2000s as an executive and a coach, and he's won in the 2010s as an executive.

Jerry Jones ain't got these motherfucking accolades. These accolades is different. So when you get a nigga like Pat Riley trying to tell you, son, he like, don't tell me nothing. Nigga, y'all niggas thinkin' you think I'm a coach, you think I'm an executive, you know the Kentucky Wildcats? That's me up there, nigga. 42 in the Raptors, nigga. My shit's retired. So Jerry Jones has nearly none of this stuff, so I understand Pat Riley's frustration, because we have to think about it. When you sit there and think about Eric Spalstra,

he started as the cameraman or doing the tapes for the Miami Heat and Pat Riley hired him as a coach. Do you know how Pat Riley got hired as an assistant coach? He was the cameraman for the Lakers. I didn't know that. Yes, he was the cameraman for the Lakers and Westbrook, I can't think of the coach at the time's name,

but he said, you know, Pat, come in, we want you to be the assistant coach. But he was doing the tapes. That's why he gave Eric Sponsor a shot. So when we're comparing Pat Riley to Jerry Jones, I think it's apples and oranges, man. Pat Riley gets these attitudes, because he like, why is niggas even questioning me?

And he may, you feel me, Pete? You feel what I'm saying? He's like, I don't even know. Pat, like, I don't even understand why niggas ain't up there. Niggas don't have five championships in a decade. Niggas don't got championships as a executive. Niggas never be got championships as a executive. Niggas never even be coached.

These accolades are on and on and on and on. Jerry Jones don't have none of this shit. Jerry Jones might have tackled three niggas' paws in Arkansas when he was 23. Hey listen man, you cannot compare Pat Riley to Jerry Jones whatsoever bro. And the reason, what I say about this more with Pat Riley is that Maybe because he has all these accolades and maybe because he's older

Maybe he'd been through seeing basketball come play as a player night player the year in college in 1966 to an executive in 2025 he may not know how to handle players and and Deal with people because he comes from a rough era. And he like, I ain't with all this cupcake shit. Fuck his niggas talking to me, they want out. You know, nigga, I wanted out too. I couldn't get out. And niggas like, here we go with the old school shit

with Pat, here we go. We gotta hear his stories. But his shit legit, you know what I'm saying? So I wouldn't meet personally, pardon me, I wouldn't compare him to J.J. Jones me personally. Let me ask you something, let me ask you something before we move on. Yeah, and then Mo, if you got something to say

after Mase asks me, I'll say you want to say something that's cool, but go ahead Mase. Yeah, I wanted to ask you like, us growing up without coaches, the things they said to us, right? Do you think any of that you still live by? Yes.

That's what I wanted to say. Yeah, even though we hated them niggas talking, a lot of what they said is what made us successful. Yeah. So, Jimmy Butler need to listen. Even though you don't like the way the message is being delivered, because a lot of young niggas get wrapped up, pause,

in how the message is being delivered. But what he's telling you is actually right, and you're gonna waste time and waste your career fighting the information, because, I mean, he't got to talk to you. See but there's gonna be another Jimmy Butler before there'll be another Pat Riley. I agree or not totally, 100% but this is the thing Murda to which you're saying is that I'm gonna be honest with you and we and we lost a lot of great seriously and we lost a

lot of great basketball players not lost as in. I'm talking about people we grew up with that were super good at 10, 11, 12, 13 years old to sell drugs and they're like, I'm going to sell drugs, man, cause I don't got time to be practicing and all that. Shout out to my man Zig Zig. Luckily he found his way back to basketball. He stopped playing Hudson Marquis, a bunch of people.

But this is the real question, Murda. Oldie Nate. Oldie Nate, yeah,, a bunch of people. But this is the real question, Murda. Odie Nate. Odie Nate, yeah, listen, yeah, exactly. A lot of niggas like, yeah, that shit cool. Because this is the real question, Murda, is we live by a lot of stuff that our coaches taught us and so on and so forth. But, and this is the question,

instead of what you ask me, I'll ask you. If we was in that locker room in high school, in our basketball locker room, and the coach is going off, and you had a million dollars from an NIL deal, and he talking to you crazy, are you gonna sit there and listen to that nigga or you walking out? That's the real question. Or you're like, I ain't got time for this.

Yeah, he's right. We was broke. We was broke. We had to listen. Yeah, we was broke. So we had to listen. And even time out, and he said ball. Oh, the niggas had to get on one knee for us.

Yeah, so that's what I'm trying to say is that we had to listen because we needed the opportunity so we had to listen. Let me out of two million NILs. Niggas, yo, y'all niggas go ahead, man. I'm going home. This nigga talking crazy. I ain't got time for all this shit every day, man. I'll be back tomorrow if niggas really want to practice. So now I think that's the difference now as opposed to when we were growing up because there was no NIL.

There was either play ball, sell drugs, or niggas wasn't really trying to go to work. So that was kind of the option. I got to ask a question. So from hearing you, it sounds more like Pat Riley is more like Nick Saban, but he's still actively in the game. Where you talk about you don't have the control,

you have good principles and values, and you're a winner, and it sounds like more Nick Saban and Jerry Jones. See, I would say this to that, Mo, is that I don't think it's more Nick Saban. I think Kyle Riley can't be compared to anybody. See, Nick Saban lost control because NIL came in, and he may be getting money from Pepsi,

or one of the players I'm talking about, or Nike, or wherever these contracts, Cadillac, wherever they're getting this NIL money from, and Nick Saban lost recruits because other schools were getting players to go because they were financing it. Pat Riley attitude is, nigga, I signed you the 50 million. I, look, I signed you, nigga, we agreed on this, you wanted 200, but that was a million, I signed you, nigga, we agreed on this. You wanted 200, but that was a million.

I signed you. So what are we discussing here? What's the problem? No, I'm not letting you out. You made a deal. So I think it's totally different because Nick Saban is a person who just lost control of recruits and bringing people in.

Pyrrhalie actually made a fucking deal with the niggas and signed the deal. Yeah, Pai Rowley is like the record label. We paid you the money, bro. You spent the first half. You spent all the money. Now, get on the phone with niggas and now I'm the proper, I gave you the deal you asked for.

Niggas, you begged for the deal. Yeah can't do the deal you asked for, Nick. You begged for the deal. Yep, that's my pick on that. Great conversation, great discussion. We are going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss a potential NBA Euroleague. Don't go anywhere. She call this thing a boss toxic Four years and counting

Got you feeling like a option Maybe I'm my own problem, babe She tired of hearing, I don't know What's up in it, me won't fall, oh, oh Killing with this thing called trust But she really thinkin' my wanna be free Why am I in this one way free? Hell, I don't want to see a walk away.

I wish somebody told me the rules. Disagreements let a win and it's cool. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. Tonight, the Blazers will play the Hornets. Underdog has lamello ball at forty seven.5 points, rebounds, and assists. Do you have him higher or lower mace? That's an interesting one. He should be right there.

I'm going to go on the Blazers higher. He's been playing remarkable for real. Yeah, I'm going gonna go higher too. I'm intrigued about this matchup because I'm assuming Simon's all do want to see that matchup. Yeah. Miles Bridges is at seven and a half rebounds.

You have him higher or lower cam. All right. Miles Bridges, how many? Seven and a half rebounds. Yeah, higher. Okay, and De'Andre Ayten is at 14 and a half points. You have him higher or lower mace. He should be able to get 16 against Charlotte.

Yeah, 14 and a half points for Deandre. I still ain't no fan of him since he was iced in or wherever the fuck he was at. Nah, I'm going low. Frozen in the parking lot. Yeah, in his house. In his house. Yeah, I'm going low, pause.

Okay, if you guys like these picks, remember you always get a free pick if you're not already on Underdog, so make sure to support the show. Sign up now and you can make your picks too. So the NBA is reportedly in serious conversation with FIBA for a league in Europe to rival Euro League. It would likely try to draw top clubs. And FIBA's secretary general said, I think the way all of us see it, it's not just about

business opportunity. I think for basketball to continue to grow, we need whether it's a series of tournaments or a league that is viable. So Maurice, what are your thoughts on the NBA pursuing an NBA Euro league? And is that something that you would watch? Um, I think that, um, in some level, one, I think is just part of their expansion. Like, you know, you get to a point where you feel like you've maxed out everything that you can do, uh, as far as growth or the place that you can take the brand and the NBA here domestically.

And you start to say to yourself, we're getting all of these players from overseas, seeing that out in Silver said that they had 124 players on the roster to start the season. You start to see that these guys are dominating being your MVPs. You can also probably look and see that there's some of the things in regards to TV merchandise or just business opportunities that may be underdeveloped in those other countries, that you may get a greater lift with servicing those markets, getting those lifts in areas that you've already experienced growth here in NBA.

You hear it from all NBA players when they talk about the game is slowed down and the funneling of talent is different So I just think that this is a natural look to say hey How do we expand the game the American market is what it is It's kind of hard to make it a lot better than what it is And so I just think it's a natural progression of business Yeah, when it comes to the NBA to the the question you asked, what do we think about the NBA expanding to Euro League, right? That was the question.

Yes. Yeah, so when I think of the NBA expanding to the Euro League, I'm a firm believer that you don't expand until you do pause everything you could do where you were. You know, and I think the thing that's still missing from the NBA is making players play the game, right? So you got somebody like Joel Embiid, phenomenal talent, hasn't played in Denver in like 2,000 days now.

It's like there's a APB out for him that he's not been there. So what would happen and how much expansion would this really be? Let's say we expand it to Italy, we expand the NBA to France, and then only to play games, and certain players are still not playing because now they've taken a longer flight and They got more reason why they need rest

So I don't see how this helps if you haven't gotten players to play in the NBA It's like somebody not showing up here and you believing is gonna get better when you go somewhere else No, it's not doing What you're doing on this level, you're just gonna do on that level. And I think that's a firm and valid point to the NBA is not ready to make an expansion. Adam Silver got to get ahold of the NBA and make sure players start playing every game here first.

Cause I could only imagine somebody that waited all their life to see these players play in those different cities and then the player they wanted to see is not playing tonight. That would be crazy. Imagine how the catastrophe of that. I think this is a great idea personally because three of the top players in the world are from Europe. All the best players are from Europe, coming from Europe. And Adams, to Mase's point, the best niggas is in Europe and he's like, these niggas over here bullshitting back.

Them niggas over there want to get to the NBA. And if they have a Euroleague over there, the NBA can rival and they're like, let's get with the niggas who really want to play. Not only really want to play, they better than the motherfuckers who here anyway, let's set up shop over there because at least they want to play. Joker is from Europe.

Giannis is from Europe. Luca is from Europe. I don't know the top, the second half, but I know Shea is from North America, which is here, and Tatum's from, of course, America. But the best players are coming from Europe, and I think that NBA sees that, and they're like, we need to start shop over there, because the reason people come here

is because of the money value when you're a basketball player. You see how fast the joker wanna fucking get home after every season? He cannot get home fast enough. Championship or no championship, he wants to get home. Luka wants to get home. We never see Yonison all season.

He wants to get home. When I was doing an interview with the Nazis, the Nazis, I called him T.A., shot him on the neck of T.A., Yannis's brother. They can't wait to get home to Greece in the off season. And if you could get people to stay home and play for the amount of money they make in America, I think that they would stay home and play for the amount of money that they make in America. It's like we see a lot of people go overseas and play in China or play in Australia because they can't make the NBA.

And then they're not even in the city or country where the primary language is English. They're going to do what they love and to play basketball. You sit there and we watch Stufor Marbury make a great career in China. I don't think he can speak fluent Chinese and that kind of stuff, my man, I don't know. Dwight Howard's over there in China. He can't, you gotta have a translator all day.

So if you could stay home and make the same amount of money you can make in America, I think they would do it. And I think this is where Adam Silver's trying to take it. Like, look, the best niggas who really, really want to play over there, let's get the jump on this motherfucker and see if we could get some bread over there and Least have people that want to play that's my opinion on it Yeah, I agree. I agree with that. That was a good point. Um, that was actually pause the other side of Exactly what I was saying and opposite but actually a great point. I would say

with that though my question would be how do you get these other niggas to play over there so we can evaluate how great that other talent is over there if these guys don't come and play. That's more so what I was speaking to. Yeah that's a good question. I mean what I'm saying is I don't have to answer. I'm just sitting there saying, I don't have to answer, but what I'm thinking is, and pardon me, what I was thinking is that if they see, and listen, this isn't new.

We're talking about Derek Nowinski. We're talking about, I know I'm having a brain freeze at the moment, but we can name dozens. I'm not even talking about the players now. I'm talking about, I know I'm having a brain freeze at the moment, but we can name dozens. I'm not even talking about the players now, I'm talking about over the years. Yeah, it's the Bones of the Beach Coach. Tony Kuh Coach. Tony Kuh Coach. Yeah, exactly.

All these players. Verizon, Pets, Pitch. Exactly, this is what I'm saying. So, the Adela show, all these people is, oh, this isn't nothing new. So I don't have to answer what you're saying, which is a legitimate question, but I just think that people are saying, y'all see what the fuck's going on.

We in spoil. Them niggas is thirsty to get over here. If we could figure out how to get the money over there that we are making over here, then bet. Because you gotta think about this, right? I don't think the NBA would have done this if they didn't think that that Euroleague was about to make a lot of money.

They like, yo, look, they're like, yo, America's taking all of our players, so I think we have the best players. Let's figure out how to get the sponsorship, the TV dollars, whatever it is, to keep our players home. And America like, yeah, correct.

Oh, niggas ball. Nah, nah, let's hook up. Let's figure out, let's, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We in on that too. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So what you don't wanna lose is having the best, being the best country in the world for basketball, because that would be a travesty

if we weren't the best country in the world for basketball even when we lose in Olympics it's a travesty. Niggas is like oh my god we lost we ain't shit so imagine that being the best league in the world and then what that equals out to in the long run is losing dollars and then if we end up getting the Euroleague on our television, I ain't watching NBA today, I already mad at the NBA product as is right now. I'm disgusted with the whole NBA as a product at the moment. Like you said, Mase, we don't know who's playing tonight. We don't know who's hurt.

We don't know who's on load management pause. We don't know what the fuck is going on. I turned the TV on, Bronnie came in. Bronnie back from the G League? Let me, what the fuck going on? This shit is a mess. They doing every year trying to figure out what to do for the All-Star game. Oh, three quarters we gonna play for real, then the fourth quarter is gonna be this. Yo, we gonna do this team against that. Yo, matter of fact, let the players draft this player. No, shit is... NBA product as is right currently is trash. 800 threes a game.

Nobody goes to the basket. You can't even look at a nigga without getting a technical foul. Shit is a mess. And I think that they're trying, and Europe sees it, and they're trying to put some shit together to rival it, and the NBA say, hold the fuck on.

We coming over, my opinion. And then Mace, you actually brought up a good point, so I kinda wanted to circle back to that. So as far as and beads, so he missed an eighth straight game against the Nuggets in Denver due to swelling and his surgically repaired left knee. So it's been five years, two months and a couple days and counting since he's played. What was your message to and bead be about him basically dodging? Okay, how are we feeling about this?

I don't know. You would have to ask them because there's an APB out on them. I'm telling you, every time somebody talk about him, the gig is up. Everybody is saying, yo, it don't matter what you do if you're not going to play against Joker. Because everybody's noticing that he never goes there. I don't know if he got off the court beef, but he's never going to Denver. And I don't know why. Might be the altitude. And then Maurice, what do you think about basically MB dodging Jokic in Denver?

Same thing. But I'll even add to what Cam said, he made some great points there earlier, but that could be the reason why they're going to set up shop with all this craziness going on. I think we spoke earlier in the show about Jimmy Butler, he probably figured like, hey, if we go over here to overseas, we're not even going to deal with all this shit, we're not going to deal with this Jay Harder shit, and we just going to go ahead and expand what we have going on because in business, the

last thing you want when you're building a business is a bunch of variables. The most successful businesses within any industry, you have a limited number of variables and you want to control all those variables to make things successful. And it's what Mesa's saying, it's what Cam is saying. You have all these niggas doing whatever the fuck they want to. And I kind of said earlier, things have ran their course. And somebody said to themself, like, how the fuck do we get out of this situation? We just move this thing over to the international to the international forefront.

Yeah, real quick about the Joe LMB thing. And we used to talk about that when we were watching the game. Never mind. He's like, this motherfucker will always find a way not to go to Denver. He'll be available sometime when the joker comes to Philly, but he never goes to Denver, and the shit is whack, my nigga. I mean, my opinion on Joe LMB, my personal opinion for this particular season, is that he played too much basketball

in the last year and a half. Everybody's not LeBron James, everybody's not able to play all year round, and when I mean LeBron James, I'm talking about not just LeBron James. Everybody's not able to play all year round. And when I mean LeBron James, I'm talking about not just LeBron James, of course it was Stephon, Stephon Curry, everybody who went to the Olympics. There was really no break for anybody who went to Olympics,

especially if you went deep in the playoffs. So you sitting there playing June, maybe out of a few weeks off in July, you're playing most of August. Get a couple weeks off in July, you're playing most of August. Uh, I get to get a couple of weeks off again, then you're back in training camp, getting ready for the season. And I think it'd been too much for Joe LMB. I'm not co-signing it because if you're a basketball player, you signed up for it,

then you signed up for it. But he played 13 games this season. The big three, Tyrese, Maxie, Paul, George, Joe LMB, if you want to call it a Big Three, played a total of ten games together. They're seven and three when they play together, but at the end of the day, I would be pissed off as an owner, as a GM, and also as a coach because you can't get any continuity when you don't have your star players. And then the record speaks for itself when you're talking about the Philadelphia 76ers. Luckily that the Eagles are doing good to cover up what the fuck is going on over there

with the basketball organization. But Joel Embiid didn't really have a rest and he's taking his rest at the wrong time. Whether it's a leg injury, whether it's a hip injury, whether it's whatever, pause, all that. It doesn't matter because you're a basketball player and you can't take these breaks during the season. If you thought the Olympics was gonna be too much for you,

it's too much for you. Then he was throwing shots at niggas during the Olympics. Oh, I think people are scared of LeBron and I don't think this, he was throwing shots at niggas on his own team. I don't know where his mind is at mentally currently right now, as far as basketball is related, but it doesn't look like he's very focused at all.

Okay, and then let's actually look into the upcoming NFL draft. So we know that the Titans have the first pick. Titans said we won't pass on a generational talent with the first pick in the draft. So after hearing that, Marie is going to let you go first. Who do you think right now would be the first pick? I think it's going to be a cam war. I was going to be cam ward out of Miami. I think

that, I don't know, I don't know why my gut just tells me it's going to be cam ward, but I think that he performed very well. I think there's a level of, there's a fire and competitiveness that he has when he plays. And I think that people will pick over Shador. And that's not the same thing bad about Shador, but I think that people will pick over Shador. And that's not the same thing bad about Shador, but I think that people will gravitate towards Cam. I've seen him lead and corral players with the highlights I've seen out at Miami. It's not to say Shador didn't do the same thing, but I think that for the Tennessee Titans taking him in that middle market,

I think in Knoxville, I think Cam Ward is the first guy. in that middle market was, I think in Knoxville, I think Ken was the first guy. Yeah, I think all of this is being set up for for again, should door and Deon and get to the places they want to go to. I think when we're talking about these two, the this first pick is not a place preferably that that should all wants to go. And we heard that famous infamous on Interview where prom spoke very eloquently about what he felt like you think I'm not gonna tell my son where to go You know if I've dominated a sport and that's ringing in GM's mind

So and their ears pause so I think they're really gonna have to go. I think they have to go with Kamor. Not that he's the first pick, but if New York was first, then it'll be a different pick. But because the Titans have that pick, now they're just saying we gotta go with a generational talent. They know what they would like to do, but this is not a bad second place, but this is what they're going with. That's not what they,

but I think they could also go with Travis Hunter. I'm not sure how that would work out without a quarterback. Yeah, I think both of you guys, those were the two people I was gonna say, Ken Ward or Travis Hunter. And Mason made a great point. Dion has been on the record saying that he knows where his son should go.

And I don't think, who the fuck drafts him if Dion doesn't think, look, let's be clear. And I'm not, and like I said, everybody knows my relationship. So what I'm saying is not, not any information that was given to me. But what I'm saying is this, let shit don't go right. And let niggas play games and go to, should do or go to a team or get drafted by a team

that they don't think is a good fit. Should do or go to another COVID year. drafted by a team that they don't think is a good fit. Shador got another COVID year. Shador go back to Colorado again and fuck around and play and make the same amount of money and get more sponsorships and be like, yo, listen, we gonna grab us another eight, nine million while they try and get this shit right.

So it isn't like Shador can't go back to college if he doesn't want to. I don't know how that works. If once you enter the draft, if you go back, I don't know the absolute rules. But I do know he has another year. Pardon me, Melmo? I don't know. The rules may have changed in pretty short second Google, but I don't know that.

Right. Yeah, I was just saying, if possible, Shadour, Shadour got another year eligibility. So wherever, wherever he's going to go, I'm not sure where he's gonna go, but if I had to pick first, to answer the question, I'm not sure if it's gonna be Ken Ward or Travis Hunter, but I believe it'll be one of the two. Okay, and then it's saying that he doesn't have another year of eligibility, so yeah.

Okay. So and then because the announcements and stuff, but yeah. But you'll never know somebody else could trade up. Anything could happen at this point. So yeah, it's going to be Travis Cam or Cam Travis, but we know should do it won't be in those first two picks. He ain't going to Cleveland. He's not going to Cleveland and he and he doesn't want to be in those first two picks. He ain't going to Cleveland. He's not going to Cleveland, and he doesn't want to be in Tennessee.

He don't need to be in Memphis right now, no. My opinion is Shadou is going to end up either in New York or Vegas, because let's just say, yeah, those are the two. And looking at some mock drafts earlier this week, and you know, things are always subject to change. They had Travis going number one, then the New York Giants getting Ken Ward,

and the Raiders at the number six pick with Shador. But those are changing week to week, hour to hour actually. So we don't know, and I don't know for a fact, but I just think that he's gonna end up definitely in New York over the Raiders. But from what they're saying, Mark Draft, Cam is gonna go to New York and Chidor

with the number six pick is gonna go to the Raiders and Travis is number one. Now, Coach Prime, don't get mad at me because Coach Prime gets mad at me sometimes about this shit. Talking about stop listening to them motherfuckers. Call me when you wanna know some real shit. Sorry, I'm just reading, but I'm on the way to work, Coach.

I'll get some more information this time. I don't wanna keep calling you every week. I'll call you when it's closer in time and I'll get some information, but don't kill me tomorrow and later on in the day, pardon me, because of just what I'm reading. Because Coach, you flip the fucker, I'll be like, why do you keep reading them shits?

And I'm just going, I got a job to do coach. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Should, I mean, should do it just to be better. Paws in New York or Vegas. I can't see them being in any of those other cities. They won't, they don't fit his persona, you know? But we'll see, anything can happen. So you never really know.

But that is all the time that we have for today. Mace, glad to have you back. Maurice, always a pleasure to see you. Good seeing everybody, man. OK, that's all the time that we have for today. See youall Monday.