IT IS WHAT IT IS - JOEL EMBIID GIVES WEMBY HIS WELCOME TO THE LEAGUE MOMENT WITH 70 & MA$E IS BACK IN STUDIO!! | S3 EP.14

Episode Date: January 23, 2024

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What up? My nigga murder back in the building. How you doing man? It's been a long time, man. Yeah. How you doing man? You all right? Yeah, man. How was your trip, man? How was the tour?

It was good. It was good. People, my boy, he's still out in Brisbane. Okay. Who, Chi? Chi Chi's still out in Brisbane. We said that might be his calling. That's where his fan base might be at.

Yeah, he said he's Chi Chi Ozzy now. Yeah, okay. Whatever works for you. Ozzy Chi. Yeah, I was he's Chi-Chi Ozzy now. Yeah, okay. Whatever works for you. Ozzy Chi. Yeah, I was telling Chi, I said, look, Pitbull and Flo Rida and Flo Rida was rappers.

Yeah. And then they figured out what worked for them and I ain't seen them spit a rhyme rhyme since. I ain't seen Pitbull spit a rhyme and I don't know how long.

He was battling niggas at one point. That nigga figured out. Pitbull was battling niggas? long he was battling niggas at one point. That nigga figured out Pitbull was battling niggas? Pitbull was battling niggas. That's probably where he got the name Pitbull from. Pitbull was in the Bronx

under the train rapping, rapping. Niggas said, hola, lele, lele. Super Bowl book, niggas ain't look back. Sometimes you got to figure out where your market is at, man.

So shout to Chi, man. If that works for you, go where that money at. What they call they money out there? I don't even know. When I left there, he was counting a lot of it.

Yeah. You got chosen American. Yeah, I do. The exchange rate. I don't go with the exchange rate. All right. Well, good, man. I'm happy you back.

We missed you, man. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. I'm happy you're back. We missed you, man. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Everybody was in there. All the fans was like, you know, they were sick of the Zooms and shit. So it's good to have you back in the studio, man. Yeah, man. Yes.

Okay. So we're going to start with Joel Embiid. He dropped 70 points in a 133 to 123 win against the Spurs. This was his first game against Wembley, and he set a franchise record. How did you guys feel about Embiid's performance? Which part was a franchise record? The most points scored.

So he beat Wilt Chamberlain. Oh, didn't Wilt have what? Like 60 or 50, something like that. And then Wilt had 100 on another team, but not in Philly. Yeah. But this goes to let us know that what he did last time was not a fluke. When he did that on Paws, when he did that to Jokic. Remember, we was like, not we, but me.

I was like, yeah, but I wouldn't make too much of this. Yeah. Nigga heard us. I'm telling you now, everybody's listening. I'm telling you that right this second. Let's see if it is what it is. Yeah, I'm telling you, everybody's listening too. And not only that, you know, I was talking to Church about this shit too.

It's a lot of that shit, Shaq is, you know, infuriating certain big men. You know what I noticed about Shaq? Yeah. He respects a lot of the players before him. The Bill Russells, the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's, the Will Chamberlain's. If you're a center after him, he has no respect for nobody who comes after

him. He's always just a center that came after he played. It doesn't matter who it is. Joker? He said Joker's all right, but he ain't giving niggas no props. He said Joker's all right? He said Joel Embiid ain't shit. Like, you know, basically saying

they can't fuck with me. And me and Church was just talking about it when we was coming in, and it's like, Shaq, that kid is nice, bro. Shaq my nigga, Shaq my guy, but that kid means business. And look, me and Mace, I don't know if Mace switched this shit up at the end.

But I know me personally, at the beginning of this season, when we was picking our top 10 players, I didn't put Embiid in my list because I said, it's almost like the Cowboys. What are you going to do when the playoffs start? You know what I'm saying? But God damn, you know, he's having a spectacular season he's back in the world honestly right now he's my lead for mvp you know i'm saying if i had to make a vote

right now he's my lead that fast come on man later we halfway through the season you've been going you're in Australia it's about to be February it's halfway through the season my nigga so I'm saying like if I had to vote of course we have plenty of time left but I'm just saying if I had to vote today I'm going with him and Joker look you know what Joker

when it comes to the Joker it's like almost like we're not giving him the credit we deserve because he goes out and gets 29 19

and 11 assists and we're like well what's new you know that's what he 70 and 18 is crazy it's crazy

it's like he did everything to Wimby but give him a wedgie on the court yeah 70 and 18 is nuts

yeah and that's another point that you're trying to prove when you're saying Reggie on the court. 70 and 18 is nuts. Yeah. And that's another point that you're trying to prove when you're saying, when you're saying, oh, you're the new kid in town. Remember, remember. Only 70. Yeah. No, remember we talked about it on one show. This was when you was in the studio before you left.

We talked about it because I forget who the other player was, but Joel Embiid said, Wimby got to figure out if he want to be me or if he want to be somebody else. Kevin Durant. Kevin, was it Kevin Durant? Yeah. Yeah, right.

And we was like, Wimby might be like, I'll drop 50 on you and I'll beat myself. Nah, Wim. Nah, Wim. Nah, Wim. Joel Embiid said, chill out. Now, look, I'm not going to sit here and act like, you know, Wim B would have had a good game if nigga ain't have 70.

The nigga had 33 points, seven rebounds, and he only had, what he had, two assists. But 70, D-I double what you had if you got 33. Yeah, if you got 33 and the nigga gets 70, he failed the eye test again. Yeah, yeah, exactly. This is your eye test. Yeah, this is the eye test, man.

Joel Embiid is out to prove something this year, and maybe he wants to be a back-to-back MVP and tie the hands of people saying that the Joker should have got it. Because to me, looking at the Joker, his effort is, I don't want to say lackluster, but he's getting 30 in his sleep. 25, it doesn't, it ain't the tenacity that I seen last year. And to me, my opinion is, my personal opinion is,

I know when to turn it on. I already been through this. I see what I got to do when it's time to do it. You know, always having a number one seed in the conference and it counts because you are home court advantage. But the Joker just seems like I could do this in my sleep. Right now I have Joel Embiid in front runner for MVP. 70 points is nothing to sneeze at.

A couple people in the league that still play had it. Damian Lillard had it last year. Donovan Mitchell had it. that still play had it. Damian Lillard had it last year. Donovan Mitchell had it. Dev Booker had it. But it was just amazing to see. And he did on the new kid on the block. So salute to Joel Embiid. And not only have 70, you get 70 and the win is incredible.

Let me ask you this, though. I hear you say all of this about the 70. If he has 70 and he gets MVP, but he exits first round, does it matter? It never matters if you don't do a good job. Derek Nowitzki

got MVP one year. He got kicked, booted out the first round. I think that's why they brought in those two awards, the playoff awards on the East Coast, I believe it's the Larry Birdoff awards on the East Coast,

I believe it's the Larry Bird Award and on the West Coast, it's the Magic Johnson Award because now what happens is this. You have the regular season MVP. Now you have the Eastern Conference playoff MVP, the Western Conference playoff MVP,

and then the finals MVP because... So what's the Michael Jordan Award? Or maybe one of them is the Michael Jordan Award. I may be mistaken. You're just wowing right now. Because... Adam, you got to chill out. It might be.

Don't get me wrong. I just know this. For the Eastern Conference playoffs, it's a new award. And for the Western Conference playoffs, it's an award because they're tired of seeing people saying the regular season MVP doesn't do shit sometime in the playoffs and they're still being rewarded. So now they got more MVPs for more categories

in the NBA. And then the Michael Jordan award is just the Kia MVP award. So it is the Larry Bird and Magic Johnson award. I could go with that. I mean, those are not bad choices. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

I'm not mad at that at all. I'm just curious, who would be your MVP front runner, Mace? Right now? Yeah. Who's in first place? I normally pick my MVP. You know, in title time, we pick our MVPs from the first place team. Who's in first place? I normally pick my MVP You know in title time We pick our MVPs from the

First place team Who's in first place? Well the latter right now Embiid's first Then Jokic is second And SGA is third No I mean but who's in first place? Oh team

Yeah we go with that Minnesota Minnesota and Boston Minnesota so then Anthony Edwards would be the MVP. I was just about to say me and Tito was actually talking about that as well. We got to stop ignoring Shea in these MVP conversations, man. I didn't know he was in third, but I was just going to bring that up.

We need to start bringing him up in these MVP conversations yeah he's definitely in that conversation right and it's actually interesting that he will be second to me he'll be second okay I was gonna say it's interesting that you also bring up Anthony Edwards because he's not even in any of the ranks and then it's like Giannis, Luka, Jason Tatum, Sabonis, AD, Halliburton, Kawhi. Yeah, that's why they need new experts. This is exactly why. That's my point. You know, I'm to the NBA and NFL like the same thing Uzi is

to hip-hop. You know, like when this new version of hip-hop came in and they said these niggas gotta accept something new, y'all don't know everything. That's what I am to them. So do the dance. I'm dead.

That's not even what I was thinking of. That ain't the one I was thinking of. Yeah, I was thinking like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people don't know Mace can dance, man. Like, Mace can really dance.

Like, when we went to the party when he was young, there used to be a circle around, and Mace was in the middle doing the dance. People don't know this, but Mace really knows how to dance, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's a good point, though, that nobody on the first place team, and at least in the Western Conference, is even in the conversation. Right. Interesting point.

Especially because I don't think I ever remember Minnesota being first place. Which means throughout the years? In NBA history, I don't think they've ever been number one. So there's no way that they get to be number one and you don't crown somebody on that team or something. Fair point. Fair point. Okay.

So a lot of big men had great games on Monday night. Carl Anthony Towns dropped 62 points. The Bucks beat the Pistons 122 to 133. And Giannis had a triple-double. Do you think the league is guard-driven or do you think the big men are starting to take over? What are you guys' thoughts? That's a great conversation.

I think it's slowly shifting back to big men dominating the game, especially when you get to the playoffs and nobody could beat Denver. Shifting back to the big man. It was always stated that in order to win a championship, you need a great big man and you need great wing play. Somebody on the wing got to show up. But God and a big man has always been that tangent,

whether it was Kareem and Magic, whether it was even if you say Jordan and... Scottie. Yep, or Horace Grant. Somebody in the front court got to show up because rebounds is really what end up winning the championship, defense and rebounds. Dennis Rodman, two, three of them.

Dennis Rodman. Or when it was Lampin and Isaiah or... John Sally. Yeah, John Sally. Rick Mahorn. Rick Mahorn. Adrian Dantley. Mark McGuire.

Yeah, McGuire. It's always been like that. And this is why the Knicks never won. I mean, when we were living, because they couldn't get the guards. I'm still living. We're living in New York. Let's clear that up. Yeah, Australia Jet Lag. Yeah, Australian shit, man.

I got that OJ blueberry juice. Niggas had some good big men. They had Oakley, they had Mason, they had Ewan. They just couldn't get the fucking job done. They never showed up at the same time. Remember when Starks caught on fire, then Charles Smith and them missed the layups. Yeah, Charles Smith.

You and Mr. Finger Roll, remember? Yeah, that was a terrible time in New York. Terrible time. What I'll say about this is this, that what's going on to me is that now the big men are playing like guards. That's what it is. They're not traditional big men. Yeah.

You know, it isn't get on the box, throw them a key in the ball, throw Patrick you in the ball. Even though Barkley wasn't, he could bring the ball up and all that. It's not Karl Malone on the box. These are every big man we named to have a good night outside of Greek Freak

can shoot the three. Yeah. If they're open and he'll shoot it. And they'll shoot, yeah. Not saying he'll always make it, but he'll shoot it. And they're bringing the ball up and he'll shoot it not saying he'll always make it but he'll shoot it and they're bringing the ball up you know it was a big thing if Shaq brought the ball up oh shit look at Shaq

bringing the ball up oh shit look at Patrick Ewing bringing the ball up everybody we named could bring the ball up the court so I'm not gonna say that it's going back to being big men or maybe but it's big men in this era playing like guards.

So now, if you got a big man that pops out, pours to the corner for three, you like, before you'd be like, leave that nigga.

You gotta let him shoot it. Now, it's crazy. It's like when we was talking before a few months, maybe a couple months ago, when we would come down on a fast break,

everybody, if you got the ball in the middle, everybody's tied to the basket. Now they're going to the corners to shoot a three. You know what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, the game's changing, and I think that the big men are figuring out you're valuable if you can shoot an open jump shot or even a three-pointer. Not only that, making free throws.

Everybody outside of Giannis is a decent free throw shooter. I just think that the big man is changing. I don't know if it's going to go back to being a big man league, but the big men have guard qualities these days, my opinion.

I think in the NBA, they got to get back. I miss the NBA where anything past the key, you don't miss. You remember when people used to pass the ball around? You know, if he got it there, it's a basket because they're pros. Right. Well, moving along, there's a lot of beef going around y'all so we got to talk about it so in response to udonis haslam getting his jersey retired stephen jackson said felt like all the real ones got their jersey retired being solid still in style then he said

it was earned not given paul pierce replied and said this one's given bro that's what he said on the post it was like a celebratory post so then Yadon responded my first reaction was to choose violence but I'm going to spare you because I know you ain't like that. So what's your opinion on the exchanges? I agree with both of them.

It's like, damn, niggas don't want to give their opinion and want to fight. Niggas can't even give their opinion. Niggas want to fight. I'll say this about the whole situation. Like you said, on Mason's side, I feel both ways. This is what I'll say.

I agree with Paul Pierce to a certain extent. If it's 100% basketball, I agree with Paul Pierce. But the dedication, never getting going to another, he's never played for another team. Two years, he probably should have been retired, stayed on kind of as a player coach to help them groom the next generation of Miami Heat. And he's been there from beginning to end.

And he probably helped out Eric Spoelstra, Pat Riley, and ownership to an extent that no other Miami Heat player has ever done. So I'm not mad at them retiring his jersey because of what he meant to that organization. The stats may not say retire his jersey basketball-wise, but what he meant to the organization means a lot. He's been there from beginning the end, never got traded, never even talked about speculation. You can see his passion to where he even wanted to fight his own players

sometime because they weren't doing the right thing. And I think because of that, I'm not mad that they're retiring their jersey. Yeah. When you think of UD, he's been there through every, like you said, through every transition.

He was there with Wade, there with Birdman, there with even his team now. So the intangibles that he probably have shared throughout that locker room is the reason for the pedigree, the reason for some of the championships. And so I could see all of that being the case that they need to give him a job in the front office then. Yeah, I believe he— They definitely got to give him a job in the front office. And to Paul's credit, if we was talking about anybody else that averaged 7 and 6, they wouldn't have their jersey retired. There's niggas who averaged 15 that didn't get their jersey retired.

So as a basketball purist, they're counting on me to tell this. I love UD. You know, he's a fellow Floridian. But according to stats, he didn't. When you say a purist, I'm trying to figure out what you said different than I said. I'm just trying to figure out what did you say differently than I said. I don't really understand what you said.

I thought we said the same thing, now you're a purist. What did you say? Let me share with you. Nick, give me a solo so he can understand what it means to be a purist. Now, see, me and Kim, we have the same basketball intelligence. Like my basketball IQ may be slightly higher than his. His athleticism is higher than mine. I can go for that.

Yeah. Okay. So when it comes to purists, though, it means not only do I have the information, my information is not slighted, it's not changed it's not altered because of any any hangouts any halftime shows you know the parties nobody gave me a dip set chain you know i dig it all i was trying to figure out is what did you say differently from me? I said that if it's based on his basketball averages, I wouldn't understand him getting, I understand Paul Pierce's point,

but because he made it such a, he's such an asset to the organization, I dig it. You say it in the so elegant, in the purest form, I guess. It's the same thing Stephen A did to me. He said something I said. Well, because he's been doing it all these years, it's like you don't know what you're talking about. Now you're doing it to me, poor.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It trickles down. I get it. My bad. I was just trying to figure out where the disagreement was at. Shout out to UD, though, man. A salute on the retirement, man. That's not a small accomplishment, man. Yeah. And just to add, so obviously, like, he was with the Heat for 20 years,

and he's one of three players who has spent that much time with the team, him joining Dirk and Kobe Bryant. He was captain for 16 years, and right now he is vice president of basketball development. But, I mean, looking at his stats, people are saying, well, his career, he averaged seven and a half points and 6.6 rebounds, never made an all-star team, and then never made a triple-double. But it matters to Miami. Yeah, it matters to Miami because, like, I think Yadon definitely embodies Heat culture. And he has that sense of respect that it's like, when you see him, especially playing for Miami,

like that respect is there. But I also think, I mean, Paul Pierce is going to say, say he wants to say regardless. I think it was like the timing of what he said, because it was celebratory. And he was like,

man, that's, you know, it was given, not earned. So I definitely see the exchange, but Hey, I like that there's a beef.

I like that there's a beef I like that there's a beef it should be like that that's what I'm saying society is getting crazy on when somebody tell the truth like bro what he said was not far fetched though that's why I read both sides yeah

it kind of was given a little bit that's what the kid say, it's giving. It was giving, but I understand. Because look, you know, look, we went to that Miami Pro League. UD was there like single-handedly coaching Bam only from the sideline. Like trying to get Bam. Remember we went? Yeah.

And he was there coaching Bam. He wasn't coaching the team. He was in the crowd coaching Bam to get ready better for next season with the Heat like he's taking this Heat shit even in the summertime trying to get other players better that play for the Heat.

They retired who number? Chalmers right? Yeah. Chalmers. Yeah. They retired Chalmers. I meant, you're talking about which Jersey numbers they retired? I know Bosh. Oh. I saw a Chalmers hole in a Jersey. Who else was it?

Tim Hardaway. What was that for? Chalmers, man. They were just there for the celebratory. Don't start fucking up, Pat. You know Chalmers, too. He was ready for that. Yeah. I forget him. but not they were just there for don't start fucking up you know you know you know he was ready for that

yeah I forget him nah they just triggering him he's DMing me he's my nigga but he know

he know you know you know Thomas hit me cause when Gillian Jamal Crawford was talking about playing he talking about

we could be the undercard you gotta get your if you willing to take a 95-5% split, I'll do it. And you my man, but you bring no validity to this.

You know, you got to bring something to the table outside of saying you won a championship with LeBron James, D-Wade, and Chris Bosh.

Yeah, Norris won a championship. Yeah, but the thing about it, have you heard about him since? That's what I'm saying. And no disrespect, but we just haven't heard about you since the championships. You played for the Sussex Gators. Whatever that said. Did you think Norris was

better than him? No. I like Chalmers. I think Chalmers and no, of course, we're kidding, but not really.. I think Chalmers, and no, of course, we're kidding, but not really. But I think Chalmers was an important part of their championship.

I think Norris was decent, but I'd like Chalmers better than Norris a little better. We haven't heard about him even since. You know, what happens when you play LeBron James

and then you're not that good, you just disappear. Eric Snow, all them niggas just disappear. No, that all them niggas, niggas just disappear. No, that was, not Eric Snow,

Booby, what was his name? Boo. Yeah, that nigga. Eric Snow is where I was and I apologize to nigga Boo. You know, you play with this nigga and you just,

when you don't. Shumpert. Yeah, yeah. Niggas just disappear. That's what I was thinking. Shumpert, my man, he had a decent shit with the Knicks though.

That shit was decent. And Shumpert is on the shot. That was before he went to the, my man, he had a decent shit with the Knicks, though. It was decent. And Shumpert is on the shot. That was before he went to the, um, to LeBron's team. Yeah. Yeah.

But, you know, to stay loopy, he on the shot. He got a Harlem girlfriend or they broke up. But, you know, some niggas be like, it ain't over for me.

Some niggas just disappear. Yeah, you're right. And shout out to Shumpert for real. He does his thing. Yeah. 2024, the year right. Shout out to Shumper for real. He does his thing. Yeah. 2024, the year of the truth. And then just to add,

Udonis said that if he saw Paul Pierce or Kevin Garnett at a grocery store, it's on site. So I don't know. They definitely got to talk it out. Yeah, for real.

And then we wonder why people don't tell the truth. People got to be able to tell the truth. Like, art is subjective. Athleticism is subjective. If I go out there and shoot horrible, they have the right to say, yo, you stink. You got to work on your game.

If you put out a bad tape or a bad album, they got the right to tell you, yo, this, I don't know what that last thing was you did, but it's garbage. You know what I'm saying? And it would be better if people can tell people the truth. I think that's why we were better because we had people to tell us we didn't have no internet. Yo, listen, what you call it? Drop on the same day. You sure that's the verse you want to go with? That's what they was doing to me in the studio. Killer like this. D-Dot would go, yo, Mase, you bust the rhyme and Jay-Z are dropping on the same day.

Is that the verse you're going with? Let me know. Yeah. And just go like this. Okay. All right. I'm coming out the this. Okay. All right. I'm coming out the booth. Yeah.

Okay. And that was it. Yeah. Nobody had to tell you nothing else. Yeah. And you know you better go, you better dig, you better dig deep, nigga. Yeah. Pause that.

Pause. That was crazy. That was crazy. I hope you just got back, so I'll let it slide. Pause. But at the end of the day that's a great point because that's your man

telling you I wouldn't go with that I wouldn't go with that without telling you that yeah yeah like yo this is and listen

when Macy's to the every he's talking about it was a dangerous time like and I know people see Busta Rhyme now but and his show is still amazing and crazy see Busta Rhyme now, but, and his show is still amazing and crazy,

but Busta was at the top of the charts. Janet Jackson on type of shit. Like Busta albums is crazy. Yeah. Janet Jackson out. And, and if you really want to party with me, he was out.

And then he was like, yo, so what you want to do? Cause, um, his record is out now. You want me to play it again for you? Like, nah,

I'm coming out the booth. Yeah, exactly. But I totally agree, man. Like, you can't tell UD how to be UD, but at the end of the day, if you want to beat a... I don't even think Paul Pierce says nothing too bad. Yeah. That they'll beat niggas up. And then Kevin Garnett, too? You want to fight my nigga?

Because that's his man? You want to fight gonna fight my nigga? Cause that's his man, you gonna fight him too? Damn, that's fucked up, man. That's fucked up. Yeah, crazy exchange. Okay. A reporter asked KD why he isn't widely involved

in the GOAT conversation. His response was, because I went to the Warriors, why shouldn't I be in that? That's the question you should ask. Why not? What haven't I done? So that's my question for you guys. What hasn't he done and what do you think? Well, you really can't ask me because I'm a Kevin Durant fan. When it comes to GOAT,

I think people need to specify what do they mean? Do they mean accomplishment? Are they talking skill set? Because there's a lot of things that he does that we've never seen done before him. But, you know, when it comes down to that GOAT, I wouldn't hold him in that same space as Jordan, but I don't hold, I don't even hold LeBron there. Like somebody brought it to my attention. I think it was the great Iverson that brought it up that Kobe should be number two. So I'm really revisiting that conversation and saying, bro, if Kobe being Brian was here right now, people would not have Kobe on ESPN talking about he's not number two. So that's what I really had to think about. And when I think of that, it's a certain thing that comes with being a GOAT. A GOAT is not a sheep. And that's something you got to really look at his actions and look at his ways and his mannerisms and ask yourself, do you really want to be a GOAT?

Because a GOAT got to take it on itself to make the team better and make sure they win. It's not about Bill. It's not about Booker. It's about if I'm on the floor, we're going to win. That's a great assessment. I'm going to sit here and be straight up and down. Yes, it's because you went to Golden State. They're going to hold you accountable for that for the rest of your career, no matter what. Katie know you, my man.

I'm just saying when you're not in them conversations, this is what people are going to hold you accountable for. That's true, Killer, because I do the same thing to LeBron. Yeah, yeah. Because I do the same thing to LeBron. Yeah. Because I'm not from Ohio, so for me, it's the same thing. It's like, bro, you went and joined them. Like, if Magic would have

joined Jordan, how many chips would Jordan have? If Bird said this season, instead of retiring, I'm going to Chicago. Right. Pippen, Jordan, And Bird said this season, instead of retiring, I'm going to Chicago. Right. Pippen, Jordan, and Bird.

Right. Instead of Kukoc. Right. See, what I feel is that I never, I didn't have this conversation with anybody, KD, LeBron, anybody. But I feel how they feel is almost like the civil right action. I want to hear this. Yeah. Y'all paved the way for us to do what we want to do. Because look, think about that.

You couldn't just get up and leave when you wanted to leave. Niggas was locked in. Niggas signed Magic Johnson to a 25-year contract. For $20 million. For $25 million. 25-year contract? Yo, come on, Murda. That's wild. A 25-year contract.

He had him in a bad boy contract. It's crazy. So now players is like, the reason I say so, right, because niggas is like, well, thank you guys for making me say I could be here for five right, because niggas is like, well, thank you guys for making this thing. I could be here for five years, and if I don't like it here, I could go where I want to go.

Look, we had Lenny Cook on the show, one of our first guests ever. And we was having a Michael Jordan, LeBron James debate. And we was going back and forth so much with the nigga. We didn't even pay attention. I paid attention, but Lenny was lying about his age and all type of shit. Lenny in the same class as LeBron and three, four years older than LeBron. It was crazy. But the whole shit is, shout out to Lance, my nigga.

The whole shit is that what he said was this. We was like Michael Jordan won with the same team. And he said, yeah, LeBron had to go to three teams and did it. Yeah, nigga, like, that was a, to Lenny, that was like harder pause

than staying with the same team. And that's how some people may look at it, but I don't look at it like that. Because to me, LeBron is the best player GM there is, and coach sometimes

for that matter, and you can get mad at him for leveraging his power. So when I say the civil rights movement, I'm sitting there saying that, look, Michael Jordan had to play year to year to get the money that he wanted to get. I can't say and tell you what a Charles Barkley contract was off the top of my head or Patrick Ewing or whatever.

But I know you wasn't able to skip around like these niggas are skipping around and going from team to team now. So I think they look at it like, yo, stop telling me y'all play for the same, even though I think it's harder to stay for the same team the whole time. They may have that too. Like, yo, if y'all want to stay in that turmoil your whole career and not flourish, that's on you. Now, back to why Kevin Durant and some people aren't considered the GOAT, because they're always going to bring up,

look, he was up 3-1 against Golden State the prior year, and OKC. They ended up losing 4-3 after a 3-1 lead. Then you go to the team that just won 72 games or 73 games after best record in the NBA. But I get what Kevin Durant is saying there. Look, you know, your next thing is

you won't say I'm a champion, even though some people say it's an asterisk next to the championship because you went to the best team and it was a foregone conclusion. But I get what he's saying too. You're not going to sit me with Charles Barkley or Reggie Miller or Karl Malone or John Stockton

or Patrick Ewan or Charles Barkley or all these players that never won a championship that y'all said is so great. I'm going to go get these two championships out the way and then I'm going to go try and rebuild the Nets franchise. It didn't work out with the Nets. There was too many injuries and so on and so forth. But they're always going to hold that against them

when it comes to the GOAT conversation. Yeah, and I would say that that's exactly it because to be a GOAT like one of my GOATs is Kobe Bryant. You take Shaq off this team and I will get one on my own. I'll get two one on my own. I'll get two, actually, on my own. And I think that's the part that got a click on his mind. They went and got Paul Gasol, a few other niggas, Lamar Odom. Let's get another one.

Yeah. Now, don't get it fucked up. That was Kobe Bryant's team, but Paul Gasol was a monster at that time too. Andrew Bynum. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So if he does it now with Booker and them, it counts. But Kobe also didn't leave. Yeah.

Y'all figure out who needs to get here. Yeah, y'all come where I am. Right. So I think that's going to be held against him, but absolutely. Okay. J.J. Reddick says's going to be held against them, but absolutely. Yeah. Okay. JJ Redick says traditional point guards are a dying breed. He said the primary ball handlers are big wings.

This old notion of like, we need a smaller guard to bring the ball up. Isn't a thing. He also says Chris Paul is the last guy. So do you guys think point guards are a dying breed? Yeah. Do you guys think point guards are a dying breed? Yeah, as we know it, in a sense, because it's the hybrid guard. It's the combo guard. They call it the combo guard.

Point forward. Yeah, point forward. Two guard that can play point. Yeah. Two guard in a point guard's body. But it's really the mindset. Right. Who else was there with?

It's somebody else that I'm thinking about. But Chris Paul might be the last one. Might be. Last good one. I'm going to say, I'm going to go with Shea. No KC. Yeah, Shea is a point guard. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna say I'm gonna go with Shea no KC yeah Shea is a point guard yeah that's what I'm saying

like yeah if and he's not athletic crazy he's not he's not John Morant he's not

Russell Westbrook you know he could he could get up and dunk the ball but he ain't flying through the air he gets he has a really basic game,

but he's more of a scoring point guard as well. But outside of Shea, I like Jalen Brunson. Jalen Brunson, who he put on his ass? The Joker. He put the Joker on his ass last night. Shook him up. You know, off the top of my head, I didn't really do any homework on this.

Just thinking of regular point guards. Kyrie Irving, he's a point guard, but he's just so spectacular that you may say that he's not a point guard, but Kyrie Irving is good. So, you know, you got Brunson, you got Kyrie Irving, you got Shea.

Going from team to team, Devin Booker is one of them hybrids that you were just talking about. You know what I'm saying? So is Bradley Bill. D'Angelo Russell. Yeah, how did he forget Kyrie, though? Right. Kyrie is pretty much exactly like Isaiah Thomas was

right the boogie get baskets score with each hand right tenacity yep floors

sight Trey Young we got Trey Young in Atlanta point guard yeah he can't play any other position outside of point guard

I mean he can throw him into two it's still something he's more like a Iverson just shoot yeah Steph Curry vibes that's why I didn't even put Steph in the conversation cause I don't think You can throw him at the two. It's still something. He's more like an Iverson just shoot. Yeah, Steph Curry vibes. That's why I didn't even put Steph in the conversation because I don't think Steph is traditional. I think Trey brings the ball out way more than Steph.

Steph gets, when they bring the ball up, Steph just runs up the court and starts running around. So he's definitely not traditional. Damian Lillard, I consider him a point guard as well. There's still something lingering around now. Is this a dying breed? Maybe so, but there's still something left going on right now, in my opinion.

Okay, and then one more topic before we go to break. It's rumored the Atlanta Hawks want to find a third team to take on D'Angelo Russell in order to complete a DeJounte Murray trade with the Lakers. Would it be a good decision for the Lakers to trade D'Angelo Russell? Absolutely. They got toelo Russell? Absolutely. They got to do something.

Absolutely. I think, I think they would be better with Terry Rozier. Actually, because I like, I like Austin at the two more than the one because when he's at the one, he can score, but they will be better with him at the two.

They're like, everything will flow better because if you got Rozier, now you got two guys that can really score from the perimeter on every level. Now LeBron, he got more options and people can't double team him. They can't do all of that stuff. Russell kind of slows up the offense a little bit. And if he went to Atlanta, it would be horrible. I think that would be horrible for Atlanta. So the team they probably need to get involved is Charlotte.

Is Rogier Charlotte? Mm-hmm. Yeah, and the guy that got in trouble, Miles Bridges, he would be great for that trade. He'd need a new place Atlanta is far Is not that far From Charlotte

We don't have to buy A new house He'll be close by Him in Atlanta Would be crazy Him in Him in Trey

Would be crazy In the backcourt I don't know What team needs To be involved But the Lakers Gotta do something. I just went to the game,

man. Yo, them niggas lost, they was up and lost by, I believe, 17, 18 points to the Nets

the other day. And, and the Nets? Remember, I told y'all, see, to the Nets? Yeah,

yo, bro. No. Shout out to Dennis Scott Jr. Dennis Smith. He was there. They came, showed love after the game. All the Nets niggas came on and showed love. Shout out to Dennis Scott Jr. Dennis Smith. Dennis Smith. He was there.

They came and showed love after the game. All the Nets niggas came on and showed love. Shout out to the Nets. And no disrespect to the Nets, because y'all know I fuck with y'all niggas. But on paper, I'm just saying, the Lakers may have said this before. It's no rebuilding season ever with the Lakers, and especially when you just re-signed Anthony Davis. He played. It wasn't like he wasn't playing.

LeBron was playing. The whole team, D'Angelo Russell was playing. For them to lose with everybody playing, Austin Reeves, everybody played, and they lost. And I sat there and watched it, and I'm sitting there saying to myself, you know, when I'm walking out, I don't know exactly the team doctors

from the Lakers are talking to me. Yeah. And I don't want to say nothing. I don't want to throw nobody under the bus. But it was some other people from the Lakers, just so we clear. Yeah. And when we're walking out,

they're coming up to me like, Ken, what do you think we need to do? Bird of blood. I'm like, Ken, what do you think we need to do? Word of blood. I'm like, that's a great question because looking at your team, it looks like everything's in place. Austin Reeves just got the deal. LeBron still looks spectacular. AD had a decent game.

D'Angelo Russell didn't really have that great of a game. Other key players, I mean, you know, I don't know the word I'm looking for right now. The fill-ins, that ain't the word. You know what they're missing? They're missing a stretch pause three. They're missing somebody who can flat out shoot the ball. Because when everything, when LeBron is going,

when AD is going, every championship... Sorry about that. I was thinking role players. They need somebody who sits right in the corner. They need a Corver. They need a James Jones.

They need... Dale Ellis. Dale Ellis. Reggie Miller. Yeah, Reggie Miller. They need one of those people that just shoot the three and that's all they do is run off picks and shoot threes. Every time LeBron has won, he had that.

Whether it was J.R. Smith, whether it was Ray Allen, or Kevin Love. Every time he's won, there's a formula that he had around him. They're missing a person that could shoot threes. Yeah, when he went with the Lakers. They're missing that player like Pope. It's set out there, believe it or not, Pope came alive. Caldwell Pope

yeah that's a fact um I don't know I don't know like I said I don't know if getting Murray's

the answer I don't know if Roger's the answer I'm more like what you said about getting a shooter yeah but um

I don't know man it looked real it was it was no excuse today. I went, and it was the Nets. And like I said, no disrespect to the Nets. And they played at home. Yeah, because what happens if you're a guard

and you got a boogie or whatever you could do, the type of player that LeBron is, the ball is out of your hands. So you don't get to do any of that. So the best suit for LeBron would be a shooter because you're not going to, Rozier's not going to be able to do all of that like LeBron's going to be sitting there waiting for the ball.

No, LeBron is going to be bringing the ball up and or LeBron going to have to change his game to fit one of those kind of guards. Rozier ain't no Kyle Culver though. Yeah. He ain't no Kyle Culver. I kind of agree with you when they need a pure shooter. Shooter, yeah.

Yeah. Well, I'm going to say, D'Angelo Russell hasn't even been playing bad because in the past three games, like, okay, the last one, he had 34 points, eight assists, one rebound, 20 points, seven assists, one rebound, 29 points, three assists, four rebounds. The thing is, the Lakers aren't going to give up Austin Reeves. They made that clear.

They're definitely not going to give up AD, and they're most definitely not going to give up LeBron. So I think at that point, anybody's game to go because they got to start changing things up. Well, who do you want besides that? Right. But if you don't break up that core, too, which I know they're not going to do,

and we keep seeing the same thing happen, then there's not really going to be much change. So like, I don't know if they would ever really think about changing the other three, but like, I doubt it. I don't think they get rid of me, get rid of them players either.

But I mean, God damn, you might as well just give up everything else and play with six. Almost. Much choices. Okay. We're going to go to break. And when we return, we will talk RG3's beef with his former head coach.

Don't go anywhere. She called this thing about toxic. Four years and counting. Got you feeling like an option. Maybe I'm my own problem, baby. Welcome back. Let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day. Tonight, the Lakers will play the Clippers. Kawhi is at 24 and a half points.

Do you have them higher or lower? Lakers play the Clippers? Yes. 24? Higher. Okay. Higher. Let's go.

Okay. Paul George is at five. The GOAT. The GOAT. The. Higher. Let's go. Okay. Paul George is at five. The GOAT. The GOAT. The GOAT. Put some respect on the GOAT's name. Well, he's at five first quarter points. Do you have him higher or lower, Cam?

Higher. Anything Paul's with the GOAT, I got to go higher. Okay. Mark Jackson, when you wasn't here, said, News just saying, Paul George isn't the goat. Mark might be hating on the goat. Old niggas hating on the young niggas. Niggas said no. Nah, let me stop.

Shout out to Mark. Let me take that back. Okay. And Anthony Davis is at 44 and a half points, rebounds and assists. Do you have a higher or lower base? 44 what? 44 and a half points, rebounds and assists. Do you have a higher or lower, Mace? 44 what? 44 and a half points, rebounds and assists.

No. Lower. Lower. I ain't saying assists. 44 points. Points, rebounds and assists. All combined. Lower.

Okay. Download the Underdog Fantasy app. You can make your picks too. Okay. Download the Underdog Fantasy app. You can make your picks too. Okay. RG3 is beefing with his former NFL head coach, Jay Gruden, after a tweet that didn't sit well with him. So he had tweeted, if I ever put a QB through what Philly is putting Jalen Hurts through,

I apologize. Pick up a blitz. RG3 obviously didn't like that. A feud picked up between the two. And in a since-deleted tweet, the head coach tweeted, you weren't good enough. Kirk Cousins was better. Cleveland didn't want you.

Baltimore didn't either. Quit blaming me. What's your take on him saying that and saying that publicly? This is one of those situations again. He just was talking about the truth. Yeah. Niggas have a hard time accepting the truth. And it's decisions that get made that people don't recognize that,

bro, who you really are mad at is yourself. You made a decision that got people looking at you the way they're looking at you. But instead of you owning up to it and saying, I put this in the people's hands. You remember we grew up, Cam, and the coach used to say, today we're not

leaving it in the ref's hands. I mean, we're going out there. We're going to take this game. We're not going to make it a five versus seven game where we start saying, oh, the refs jerked us. No, pause. I mean, you put it in their hands. Take it out of their hands. And this is what it looks like with RG3. honoring your socks over the game, doing things that put the attention elsewhere. And then when you don't turn out and be a great quarterback, you're blaming Jay.

Now, I know Jay said he didn't know how to coach his style of player, but this had way more to do with just his preparation. He wasn't prepared. He wasn't prepared. I do know that much about football. And, and Gruden, look, he made some great points.

That's what, you know, I like what Gruden said. Gruden said, well, when you left me, what happened? That's basically,

because if I was the problem, you left us, you should have found out. Yeah, you should have figured it out once I stopped coaching you. That's why I like what Gru said, to be totally honest with you. What about when you went to the Ravens? What about when Kirk Cousins took your spot?

Yeah. What about—niggas wasn't fucking with you. Where Hurst's RG3 is this. Where Hurst's RG3 is, and it's solely this. He didn't know how to fall or he didn't know how to get hit. And when you watch somebody like Lamar Jackson doing what Lamar Jackson does,

not that ass because, you know, you watch Lamar Jackson, that kind of was his style of play. He could run fast speed, but when he don't slide, when it's time to, when you leave. Yeah, I'm fresh off Australia so I'm

gonna pause I'm gonna let all that slide you're gonna let him slide and he don't know how to get hit was he even crazy you're gonna let

all that slide is crazier than what I said no you did not you just said I'm gonna let all that slide is crazy then I'm gonna let

it slide all that slide I don't really know what all that slide is I don't know how to get hit I'll go with that. You said some wild shit earlier.

You ate out your blueberry juice. I was letting you live off the jet lag. We can finish up strong, of course. I'll let you in a day. You said you a day at a time. If you want to start now. Don't let me go. That's crazy. Don't let me go cause I'm not gonna let you go that's crazy

go ahead don't let me go cause I'm not gonna let you go it's wild it's wild that's wild too that's wild what you mean

not gonna let me go that's crazy don't let me go cause I'm not gonna let you go it's crazy so this nigga fucked up my train go. It's crazy. So, uh, this nigga fucked up my train of thought.

It's crazy shit. That was local. But, yeah, RG3, when he ran, pause. Yeah, no, just pause everything. But the nigga would get hit, pause, not like traditional quarterbacks. You know, they slide.

They can't hit you. Pause when you slide. You don't want to stop. No, I'm saying. I said pause seven times. I said we paused the whole segment. You're still laughing. I don't know what's so funny.

I don't really know what's going on. Anyway, the nigga RG3, he kept getting hurt. Anyway, the nigga RG3, he kept getting hurt. And I know it hurts to watch somebody like Lamar Jackson doing what he does thinking that that's what your game was before he got to the league. Look, you ever see RG3 pregame sometime when he's announcing the game and he has on a three-piece suit? Yeah.

And, like, in between breaks, he's running a 40-yard with a three-piece suit and in between breaks, he's running a 40-yard with a three-piece suit on at full speed. Just niggas like this with a suit on. I'm like... This is not when it counts. Yeah, yeah. This is not when it counts. This is not when it counts.

Yeah, and I seen Stephen A. Smith one time when they was talking about it. Like, look at RG out there running. Stephen A. is like, yo, get back on the field and do it on the field. And other analysts is like, it's a dub for that nigga. Like, he's not getting out there. That man is running full speed in a three-piece suit.

I'm not going to say he ran a 4.0 or anything like that, but it was definitely a five-point slant. He still could run, and he was doing it in a suit. I'm not going to say he ran a 4-0 or anything like that, but it was definitely a five-point slant. He still could run, and he was doing it in a suit. So I know it hurts to watch quarterbacks, especially thinking about it. You got a lot of quarterbacks who's running. I'm not comparing them to any of these quarterbacks. But look, we were talking about it yesterday. Josh Allen led the Bills in rushing yesterday, the day before yesterday. Patrick Mahomes, he ends up scrambling 20, 30, 40 yards a game. A lot of these quarterbacks are using their feet as opposed to staying in the pocket as a traditional quarterback.

And RG3 is like, I was right after Michael Vick with that shit. That was me. And you kept getting hurt, and niggas didn't want to take a chance or spend money on you. But I understand your pain. I understand the frustration.

But John Gruden said, get the fuck out of my face with that fly shit, nigga. You couldn't get it done when I stopped coaching you. So if I got to pick a side, if I'm Judge Judy Poors or Judge Mathis

or Judge Cameron, John Gruden won and you lost. You got a job though, man. Yeah, it was two and five the seven games he started for Gruden. So he shouldn't be looking at you like

you did a great job. Yeah, but what RG3 is saying is, yeah, you put me in that two and five position. So Gruden is like, well, when you left, what happened? Yeah, what was your record then? What was your record when you left me, nigga?

What the fuck is you talking about? So I don't really know what was the initial beef with Jalen Hurts, but I know if we're talking purely or RG3 and Gruden,

Gruden got a right to say that because you're not going to keep attacking him. Obviously, for Gruden to come out and say that, this has been going on more than once. He must have been saying things over the years and Gruden was like,

enough's enough. Sometimes that happens. Okay. Former Raiders player, Chandler Jones and Antonio Brown have started some buzz after Jones claimed they will be making a CTE podcast. He also said he doesn't believe CTE is real. And the interviewee that he was exchanging with

said that they didn't hear about it back in the day basically agreeing that CTE isn't real wait wait wait wait wait who said that? Chandler Jones said it or Antonio Brown said it? Chandler Jones was in an interview and he said that they're making a CTE podcast

and then he told the guy interviewing him that he doesn't even think CTE is real. So Antonio Brown didn't even have part of the exchange. That's going to be interesting because last time I checked, Antonio Brown didn't talk about CTE. He wouldn't even talk about it. He signed the Angel Tom Manners, which you should know.

You should have an insight on this. He is signed the ATM. You should be letting us know what's going on. Is this a real thing? What's happening with this, man? I got to talk to him because last time I checked, he didn't talk about CTE. It was a subject.

I wouldn't say it's sensitive, but it wasn't something that he wanted to talk about at the time. Right. Let alone, like, to say it doesn't exist is kind of reckless. It's very, not even kind. I'm just, as a purist, I don't sway left or right. That's reckless to say. It's like telling people that cancer don't exist or something else. It's just wild.

It's like the things people do to make the news is crazy. Like the guy that was playing in San Diego, his brain was scanned. CT was there. Yeah, but the lot, Junior Seah. Killing himself, right? And lives have been claimed through the CTE.

So it's definitely not something to play around and be like, oh, it ain't real. Then what is it? When you say Oswee left the right, it's kind of wild. Oh, shit. Yeah, we paused kind of wild. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we paused the whole segment.

No, that was last segment we paused. We didn't pause this segment. The motion is crazy, too. Your gestures, it's kind of wild. It's kind of wild, but I don't understand what brought me on this serious topic, so I'll move on. Yeah, I agree

with Mace 100% and I'm not sitting here saying I have a bunch of knowledge on CT, anything else like that. But look, you have to realize... Do you think it's real? They made a movie on it. And listen, let me tell you something about that movie with Will Smith.

I know people who have kids to play football that wouldn't go see that movie because they didn't want to know if it's real or not because that's their way out with their kids to be in the NFL. That movie's

net sales was terrible. One of the worst gross films Will Smith made as far as money is concerned, wasn't nominated for an award or anything like that. Cause that's how big football is. They kind of just swept that shit under the rug. And there was a great movie.

I watched it. The doctor that he portrayed have knowledge on CTE, did all the homework, all the due diligence and the NFL and nobody else wanted to talk about it because they're like, don't fuck this money up and to the point where like I said I'm not going to say insane names but I know parents who went to

go see the movie because they didn't want to be involved because they think their son is going to get them out to live football wise so as far as me thinking that's crazy yes it is it really is that you have sacrificed your child's well being

for the chance to make money. Just telling you. So do I believe it's real? Yeah. Do I believe that they will not make a big deal out of it as much as it should be made? I agree with that as well, too. Nobody wants to hear that they can lose their brain on their dream.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It would be like somebody saying, yo, if you rap, this is going to happen to you. Right. Exactly.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So when it comes to your dream and what you want to do and not only your dream, your family's dream, you don't want to hear

that shit. That's not saying me. I'm just saying that's how they hear. That's how they may look at that. Well, for those who are watching and don't, because I just realized I never even explained what CTE is. So if you're watching, so basically like it's saying, it's like trauma, blunt force trauma that occurs in your head.

And it's usually to athletes, especially football players who have been exposed to concussions and repetitive head impacts um and then there was a study done at boston university where they had a pool of 376 players and 92 of those former nfl players were diagnosed with cte and didn't know it what what percentage 92 92%. Yeah. And a lot don't know it because people are still trying to figure out exactly what it is. And that's what ends up playing out, Paul, in the media when people be like, oh, this football player did this or this person did this. When really his brain has been altered. When really his brain has been altered. Maybe that's why they were saying that they wanted to change the rules growing up with peewee football, Paul.

And saying they wanted it to be flag football until a certain age. Because if you've been getting tackled, Paul, since you was five and six years old, by the time you get 19, you already almost there. Right. Yeah. Well, it's a pretty sad study, but I'm hoping, you know, everybody stays safe. And if you, you know, do take make the opportunity to play in the league or whatever, just, you know, take care of yourself. Stay safe, because at the end of the day, safety is important. But that is all the time that we have for today. Thanks for watching. And as always, it is what it is.