IT IS WHAT IT IS - JORDAN MASON SNITCHED ON HIMSELF & MURDA IS DOWN WITH OHIO NOW

Episode Date: December 9, 2024

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So here we go, hello y'all, oh I was selling crack on a private jet up in a hell and back But no confusion, this a reunion, hello y'all, welcome back Yeah, Murda here, he countin' money, he said can't man the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga Black fences and white figures, now I'm out here And I'm lookin' for more chandeliers and light fixtures Now, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is, this episode is sponsored by Underdog Fantasy.

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I'm treasure Wilson, AKA stat baby, along with your hosts, Mace and camp killer was good, man, man, fitted murder with the, with the hat to the back. Okay. Pause, man. Hey yo, you got to chill on my nigga. Nigga lost the way guys had to that night biting his lip. Hold on. All right, Murda, we see you.

All right. That's for the ladies. Let them know you back. All right, man, we see you. Yeah, man. Hey, you looking good, man. Pause, man. You looking good, man. Good to see you. How you doing, man?, we see you.

Yeah, man. Hey, you're looking good, man. Pause, man, you're looking good, man. Good to see you. How you doing today? I'm doing good, man. Good, that's what's up. Okay, today we are joined with our analyst, Maurice Claret.

Mo, what's up, man? Mo is good. Oh! There we go, we back. Season five joint. We back, we back. Okay, Russian is here like Tory. Oh! There we go, we back. Season five joint. We back. We back. Okay, brushing his hair like Tory.

Oh, the waves looking crazy. I ain't gonna hold you. You might got you with the waves this year. What's the name? Tory looking like Tory. What's the name? Joe Tory? Yeah, Joe Tory.

I ain't gonna hold you. The waves coming in, Murda. I see the waves coming in. He's doing all right. This levels. This is levels. Yeah man. I already think he the durag wave king man, I'm telling you man.

It was good Mo, how you doing today man? Man life great, business great, family great. Like you know, I might want to stay cause my life cracking, I'm happy. Like I'm good. Life is cracking. Good man, yeah. I don't know if you got new lights in the house,

but I see you got a season five glow with you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Got your season five glow. Everybody came back crazy season five, man. Yeah, man.

Murder, mode glowing, murder. Murder glow is the weight, stat wind, sunglasses when murder lost the weight, stat wearing sunglasses when we filming, yeah, shit, I'm just feeling this. So I'm happy, I'm happy everybody caught up. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha where they need to be well, man. Yeah. It took y'all long enough. You know all of them, they can't ever give you no credit. Yeah. Yeah. That niggas all year, but it be here now. Yeah, my nigga.

All great things. Okay. Season eight. Okay. So let's get into this game from last night. So the Dolphins lost to the Bills, 31 to 10. Tua had to leave the game early after suffering a concussion in third quarter.

So first, overall thoughts on the game, and then do you guys feel like Tua should continue playing after seeing that? Wait, wait, wait, before we even do this, remember I did not want to pick Miami. Remember, I told Killer, I said, I don't, I'm not sure if I should do this. So I had the expert inclination, but I tried to go with. You can't even get the inclination out.

Yeah, I tried to go with Killer. I tried to be on the same team as him. I picked my pick last. Mike went first and picked the Dolphins. Whoever it was, I know they let me down. The wrong pause, the wrong path. And I felt it. I felt it. Something told me, my expert inclination

told me don't go with that. And if you go back to the tape, you can see that I said that I struggled with that pic because I'm always right. Obviously you're not right. How you gonna be wrong and right? You know what this is about? He was batting a hundred and this fucked up everything.

It messed up the- Listening to that nigga Mike. He's a sport sexist. He's supposed to be the sport sexist. I'm watching these cowboy niggas, whoever. He's supposed to be the sport sexer. I'm watching these cowboy niggas, man. I'm telling you that. Mase was four and 0, and now you fucked this perfect record up.

So now he just trying to let y'all know that it ain't his fault why he picked something. Okay, I hear you, Murda. He gonna blame it on Mike Urban. That's crazy. Yeah, blame it on that nigga, man. Okay, well, Maurice, thoughts on the game and then do you feel like Tua should continue playing?

Well, it's obvious Miami had a rough one, man. And just to be honest, I caught the second quarter and the third quarter once he got injured. And once I seen they were behind, I was like, you know, this ain't worth me watching the rest of the game. But with him, you know, I think he, he might have a conversation

with his family because like, just like the world is saying, when my man got injured and he got hit, his hands and his arms are doing things similar to that. What were happening last year when he got hurt and injured. And I just don't know from a liability standpoint, the crazy thing was that Damar Hamlin hitting hitting and I was thinking to myself, somebody who just went through something crazy last year actually inflicted a pain on him, but I don't know from a liability standpoint, how do you go back to your doctors and to the team and then these people be comfortable putting him back out there again. So I don't know. Just with me, I was like, I don't know how you would want to put yourself back in that situation after it's happened to you two times in two years.

Yeah, man, this, this is kind of scary because when you think of, you know, the things that he's been going through physically, pause, this is really something that takes serious. Like you said, he got to speak to his family. But like you said, also with Hamlin hitting him and now putting him in that same kind of dramatic form, make me say he can come back because just last year or the year before, we was talking about Hamlin.

Now Hamlin is inflicting that kind of pain, pause on somebody else. So I think that that's the only bright side to that. Other than that, everything else is kind of gloomy. But to think that the person that hurt him was once in that same position, lets us know that he can come back and have an awesome, awesome career and season.

But it's about the risk factor. Do you want to take that risk? Do you have enough money put away for your family? Because the worst thing in the world to be is a used to be. Yeah, this is I think he'd been an NFL, what, four years that. Yeah, he has three concussions. This isn't good. This isn't good. Have you watched that play? Actually, to me, this isn't good. Have you watched that play actually?

To me it wasn't even that Damar Hamlin inflicted pain on him, he didn't slide. He kind of ran into Damar Hamlin and his neck went somewhere. So it wasn't even like he got hit, it's kind of like he ran into a wall and then slide and now I see why, I never played football to a high level,

or even, you know, I played a fucking, yo, Mace, you remember that team on 145th? It wasn't the world? Yeah, Abyssinia. It was on 145th in the park. I had to be like eight, nine years old. They had the football team for like a minute. This is Abyssinia, Abyssinia Church.

Yeah, anyway, that's the only time I like wore helmets and pads and shit. We playing on concrete tackling or that dumb shit. There wasn't no real grass in that shit. On dust. Yeah, on dust, that's what that shit was. It wasn't even no grass. Yeah.

I used to wonder where the fuck Marquis was coming from and showed up at Marquis. I used to go, like, where's the football team in Harlem? Make a long story short, and this is what I was about to say is that, I guess this is why they teach quarterbacks to slide when you run. And this was a situation where he didn't slide

and we see the consequences of not sliding sometimes. I think what happened with DeMar Hamlin was one of them things where, according to doctors and according to experts, and I'm no expert, just listening to reports, that these does one of them things that's gonna happen one in one billion times, where you get hit on the time, your heart stopper.

It was something that rarely, rarely ever, ever, ever happens. With Tua, this has happened in 75% of his career. When I say 75%, I'm going off, if he's in the league four years and he got hurt in concussions three or four years, to 75%. I wish him well. I don't know if he's gonna come back.

I know one thing is gonna be hella hard for him to come back. I know one thing, it's gonna be hella hard for him to come back this year because the tests that they're gonna give him and run him through everything to make sure that he's good. And it's not like one of them situations where you have a concussion. Usually the protocol is you miss next week and if they doctor's clear,

you commit to come back the following week. I don't think that's gonna be the case for Tua. And I wish him luck and I hope he's, like May says, he has a long and outstanding career. He just signed for 200 and something M's. That hurts, that really hurts. Cause you know, Concussions was probably most likely in the contract on probably not getting paid.

I don't know this for a fact. I don't know what his contract read, but I hope it works out for him. But for me if you're asking my expert opinion He missed in ten games minimum this season and we already it too So I don't know where the Miami Dolphins end up That's really a better question after we pray for him and hope to make sure that his health is good Where does this leave the Miami Dolphins? and

I don't know because you know, for the last couple of years, at least since Tom Brady left the Patriots, it's been between the Dolphins and the Bills, most like, you know, mainly the Bills went in the conference, but Miami since Syreq Hill been there, have been favorites and it's just never let down for Miami Dolphins. So me ending with, I don't know where the Dolphins gonna be but my blessings and prayers go out to 200 and family. Yeah, my prayers go out to Bub

because I know Bub is watching. Yeah, Bub is definitely sick. Bub is definitely sick. Shout out to Bub and the Bub family. You definitely gotta get some friends from Bob right now. Yeah, that's a fact. I definitely agree and I know there's a lot of money at stake and I know that this is his passion, but I feel like it's time to give it up. I just feel like your health is more important.

I don't think you should keep putting yourself in situations where that too happen again. Because we only get one chance at life. That's just something I don't feel like you should keep playing with. I just don't. What happened to if you can get away with it? That's different. That's getting away with something else,

but a chance at life. I just feel like that's just something you shouldn't play with. Oh, so you do got standards and morals. I always had standards and morals. All right, it's good to know. Yeah. Side note, though, I just want to ask you guys this because this wasn't really specifically in the plan.

But how do you guys feel about Thursday night football exclusively being on prime? Maurice, what do you think about that? Because I know you had some comments, but I want to hear your thoughts. Yeah, no, it made me think about what Cam spoke about the other week where you got to jump through 55 channels. I think it's some bullshit.

And I didn't like so I was searching through my regular cable channels and I was like, man, I see the game is on Thursday night football on my phone, but I couldn't find it. And it didn't dawn on me. Probably I'm pretty sure like a lot of people to check like one of these streaming services. But the shit is stupid. You plan as much as the old cable bills. And at the end of the day, I wish that it was just on regular TV.

Cable call. Firestick. Streamees. Yeah. What happened to fake cable? What happened to just paying $30 and getting all the channels? They got that.

They got it? Yeah. They got it. Yeah, they got it. Oh yeah. You know the problem with that though for me is that poor superpoors, you be in the middle of something important and it start buffering like, you be like, yo, my nigga,

game is on the line right now, my nigga. Nigga shooting a game, when that shit stop in the air and stuff, pop for you. I said super pause. I said super, super pause. Yeah, you might have to sign a pause application. Yeah, I said super pause, but the point is,

I got that box in my crib in Miami, but it's like, it was too much of a let down. They got it $8 a month out there. That ass, mine's $8 a month for everything. Yeah, every news, you can watch the news in Kansas City, everything. But the moral of the story is back to the answer your question, Stat, is look,

this is why these contracts are going up, because they know what the NFL and NBA has figured out is that we ain't going nowhere and niggas wanna see certain shit. So when you're a football fan, to me this is super dope, especially before basketball season, to where we used to get football two days a week, now you get it three days a week.

So during the middle of the week you get the Thursday game, you get all your games on Sunday, and it's still Monday, hey, football. Also what they're doing now is, and this is gonna compete with the NBA, also doing Christmas Day games, because Christmas Day games was really successful last year. Now they're saying we're gonna have two games

on Christmas when the NBA is known for having their games on Christmas. NFL like do what you gotta do. Yeah, let them decide. Yeah, yeah, basically Christmas isn't just for y'all. And even with these NBA contracts, these NFL contracts, they're saying people going, we're the shield, which is the NFL shield, that's their logo. And NBA is like, where the brand?

And y'all are gonna do what y'all gotta do to see it. And being, what I think they figured out is, after Netflix, it's like Netflix was like, you know, the first streaming movie thing, then they was like, HBO like, man, we can stream shit too. The show talks, man, we can stream shit. The prom said we can stream shit. That every network has their own streaming service now

to where if you don't got cable, you can download every app or whatever you wanna get and watch whatever's on that network. And I think that the NFL has been enough brand to say, fuck that. Like Mo, we talking about this now and Mo was in a group text today and he wanted to see the game, which I wanted to see him already at prom. But I'm saying he wants to

see the game. They like, man, I got to pay for this shit. And did you pay Mo? Absolutely. That's crazy. But that's my point. And I already paid for prom. But that's the point. And I already paid for prom, but that's the point that the NFL is like, we gonna put a goodie on, AFC rivalry, the bills and the dolphins,

if not, hear about it. What else this nigga's doing on a Thursday night in September when it's starting to get chilly out? Man, fucking paid for the year. And I think the NFL realized that, is it right? I don't know. But I'm not mad at the business model because if I could get away with it, would you say stat?

This is when you cheat the system. Yeah. This is when you don't pay what you want to do. You going to boo like it? Yeah. Stream eat. There's so many other ways to figure out the game. Like, yeah, what people normally do in Atlanta, everybody just buy two apps,

and they just share the two apps. 10 people get two apps, we got all the channels. That's what you're out here doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You definitely say we. People in Atlanta. Yeah. Yeah. You get Amazon, you get Starz, he get ESPN, he get DirecTV. I ain't mad at that. Share the passcode, you know, Apple TV, everybody got everything.

Thanks, smart way to do it. Okay, so 49ers running back, Jordan Mason may be in some trouble after his breakout game. So in a post-game interview, he revealed he knew he was going to start in the game over injured Christian McCaffrey since Friday. So head coach Kyle Shanahan said after the game that Mason did not know he was starting, but rather he was told he would play a bunch. What did you guys think of his postgame interview?

What he had to reveal to the world, Maurice? Yeah, he know he fucked up or he didn't know he fucked up when he fucked up. But when he got, when he went from the field to the locker room, somebody told him he fucked up. But most of the times when you are, when you're going to get reps for that week, they practice at you Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and you know exactly how many reps you're going to play. They They're gonna tell you need to be prepared. But what I don't think that they thought, they didn't think that he would have that much success

in being in a position where he would be doing a post game interview where he had to tell when he was gonna get prepared. And then that's also not a conversation that they probably wanted to go over to him and be like, yo, if somebody comes up and says something to you after the game, if you have success, don't tell nobody when you did it.

And so the league and obviously all these gambler sites, I'm pretty sure there's some like they feel like some nefarious behavior with all that. But you know, he messed up, you know, said, but they didn't also think that he would have that much success. So, you know, he fucked up, but he knows what he's doing moving forward or what the game plan needs to be moving forward. Yeah. I mean, I think the coaches, the coach need to take that L because, you know, like you said, you don't hang them out the dry.

Somebody told him what he said. He wasn't lying. He didn't make this up. Like you said, he was getting the reps. They told him he was going to play and they should have told him if the mic comes to you, don't say anything. But you know, he didn't know that. Yeah. A couple of things I'll say about this.

This is part of media training. Yeah. When you, when you don't, when you're not used to being interviewed and you just see anything that you want to say because you had a good game, I agree with more a hundred percent, they said, no, he, nah, he ain't CBS after the game. He aight. You know what I'm saying? He ain't gonna be CBS after the game.

And that nigga was CBS after the game. Secondly, the reason why this is a problem, and I get what Moe's saying, and I don't think he related it to the audience the way he wants to, and I understood what he said, because I don't know this for a fact, I'm just learning off what he said and I don't think he related it to the audience the way he wants to. And I understood what he said because I don't know this for a fact, I'm just learning off what he said.

Basically, what's going on is this. I guess it's a time limit where you have to let people know who's playing this week or not playing this week when you say he's on the injured reserve list or he's not on the injured reserve list. And nobody kind of knew that Christian McCaffrey wasn't playing till the day of the game. So when you just said that, Ma,

you meaning like niggas was betting on Christian McCaffrey and then you find out Sunday he's not playing so your money's a wash. And now this nigga's telling you, I knew I was starting. So people who are gambling is like, hey yo, my man, I just, I had money on Christian. These niggas knew that, never reported it, and it's an obligation to report who's gonna play

at a certain time before the game. Is that correct, Mo, is that what I'm hearing, or was I misinformed? No, you're 100% correct. You have to give your roster on who's playing, and you have to give the status of it. And so just like when you go to court, you have to present your defense to the prosecution,

and everybody has the same playing cards. So they basically saying, discover, yes. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, cause yeah, so that's why, when he like, I knew I was starting,

niggas like, yo, my nigga, relax. Cause they probably didn't want the Jets to prep for him because they thinking they're prepping for Christian McCaffrey. So they're not gonna sit and say, we're letting niggas, we're not gonna let niggas know, let the Jets think that they're prepping for that. And we're coming with pause with something different.

But yeah, I get that. He fucked up. Yeah, he fucked up Money and everything else man, but that's part of a nigga like you said my totally agree with you They think that nigga was postgame material and he ended up doing this thing That's that's what underdog mean when they say Bet one rep one one yard Yeah, cuz you know why? Think about that.

If you bet this on a Wednesday, right? Christian McCaffrey for 119 Russian yards, and then you put your money, and then Christian McCaffrey don't play, you like, yo, I lost my money. But then if you got information that niggas knew he wasn't playing when you put the bet in,

you feel jerked, boys. You don't lose your money. You get refunded your money. Okay, cool. Real gambler. You refund your money. Real gambler right there, real gambler. One snap and that was it.

If you play one snap and they take him out, it's a wrap. Okay, got you. Like Aaron Rodgers last year. Yeah, got you. Everything under. Got you, yeah a wrap. Okay, gotcha. Like Aaron Rodgers last year. Yeah, gotcha. Everything under. Got you, yeah. 100%. Right, gotcha.

Yo. That was wow, wow. That was crazy. Everything under is wow. On a debut. Yeah. When Ceaser Fowl debuted, his name was White Briff from St. McBorix.

White Briff from St. McBorix. From my own name. Yo, what's the school you was at? What's the school? It was White Breath from St. Nick Projects. From St. Nick Projects. From like, I'm listening. Yo, what's the school you was at? What's the school you were coaching at? Oh, what? Promise. Promise.

Harlem Children's Zone. And Harlem Children's Zone just saw you do that. They know what time it is, man. Everything, man. But, I mean, to be fair, I mean, coach tried to clean it up. He said that he didn't know he was starting, but he was told he would play a bunch. Do you guys feel like that's a solid answer? You just not know.

Man, that's like a pimp. Tell you she gone. She gone be all right. She gone. She gone be OK. Not buying it. He's speaking for her. Yeah. OK. Not buying it. He's speaking for her. Yeah. OK. So Debo Samuels has a show dropping on the 17th

that will air weekly. We know that Micah Parsons had a show last year that was criticized by a lot of people because he was doing the show during the season. What do you guys think are the pros and cons of players doing shows, podcasts while this season is happening? I believe the pros for football players, the history of football players is always you never get a chance to see them because they have helmets on and that you never get a chance

to see their personality. So I think somebody like Bebo Samuels, who's been on a winning team and a winning program for the last, I don't know, three, four or five years, since they started their Super Bowl runs and championship runs, I think is good for him because he can now get different brand exposure, partnered up with, you know, just different brands that he can basically use to advertise on his platform and give a chance for fans to know his personality. I think the cons is like people who may be jealous that they don't have that platform to speak for themselves or speak to whatever issues they have. If something goes wrong, people always blame the platform for it because it becomes a convenient excuse because that person is doing something that they aren't doing or they can't do.

So that's how I view it. You know, if something's going wrong, they're going to tie it to you focused on your platform and your podcast. And so those are the pros and cons of me, but me, I big it up. I want them to do it. I encourage it for more dudes because more guys need their own voice and speaking for themselves independently. So big up to Devo Samuels and any athlete who starts a podcast throughout the season.

Well, I'm going to go with Cam voice. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like this at all. And I'm going to tell you why. I'm part of the cons, you know? I know you told us the pros and the cons, but listen, if a nigga ain't playing right and he always on his podcast, the first thing people gonna say is, yo, do that on your own time, my nigga. We paying you for something else. Pause, you're not playing well. You putting all this energy into your podcast.

Now think of the last three athletes I could think of that all had podcasts, whether you're talking about, um, green, Draymond green from golden state, what kind of year he had, um, what's, what's my boys, the triple single, um, Pat Bev, you see the year he had, right. And then the goat, right. The goat, we're going to even add a fourth one because you know, pause. I love the goat, you know, Paul George, he, you know, play off P what, how that turned out and then we, and then we think of Travis Kelsey.

He kind of declined, even though he's podcast doing very well. So it's not enough history of anybody doing extremely well while having a podcast. So that's the con that I have. If I had to take, um, Travis Kelsey and we win a championship, another championship or three Pete or he have a breakout podcast title town. We need the title. Do you get what I'm saying? As a, as a, as a sports purists, because I'm the only sports purists up here.

You know who else has a podcast right now? Angel Reese. And you see where she's at. This ain't the time cam boys. This is not the time for that. This is not the time for that. Now, and I love Angel Reese and we're going to support the podcast, but you know, on, on from an athlete, you get what I'm saying from an athlete standpoint, from a

coach's view and speaking of coaches, speaking of coaches, I think this is the perfect time. I have a surprise for you, Cam. You ready? Nick play the tape. Hey Mace, listen, I heard that they said you can't get any team issued gear from Ohio state. Now, first off, let me just say this. I'm a big Mace fan. I grew up listening to you. So get any team issued gear from Ohio State. Now, first off, let me just say this. I'm a big Mace fan.

I grew up listening to you. So I got some issued stuff for you. I got a nice, beautiful backpack right here. I got a team issued hoodie for you. OK, I want you to wear this proud. Welcome to the Ohio State family. Go Bucks. Who's your daddy now, boss?

You're not my daddy. You my nigga. Who's your daddy? It's crazy. Oh, how you stay? Is that enough of how you play? That was dope. I like that.

I like that. That was fly. I took a face out of your face. No, that was hot. That was hot. I like that. That was dope. Yo, Mo, you knew about this?

Mo set it up. Mo set this up. Well, listen, let me tell you this. Let me tell you this. We always be saying I got my colors since we going to do colors. That was really dope, man. That was dope.

Shout out to Ohio State. Shout out to Murder for getting all the memorabilia. We want you to be part of us. And Mo, I'm happy that you brought them home. I told you. Come on. Ohio niggas be selling you out. They did.

No, they sold me out. Because most of my business was outside the stadium. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But I'm glad you're home, I like that. I like that man, I like that a lot man. That was dope man. Well come on home man. Shout out to Coach. What's his name? Zach. See that nigga don't even know you my nigga.

Ryan Day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to Ohio State, baby. That nigga don't know you coach. I just said his name. Oh man. That was really dope though. That was hot, man. That was hot.

Shout out to the Buckeye, Buckeye Nation, baby. You know what it is. What was we talking about though? Yeah, pros and cons of athletes. That was dope though, I liked that. I liked that, that was hot. Pros and cons of athletes having a podcast during the season.

I agree with everything Mase said. And that was terrible bringing up Angel Reese, man, she ain't even gonna play in the playoffs, I should have kept that one to yourself. I agree with everything except for Travis Kelsey. I think Travis Kelsey is still doing really, really good. Everybody else you name, I'm not mad at it. I think Draymond Green is still good.

I think that Paul Drew is still good, but you're right, the years that they had during their podcast has not really been good. Even when you brought up Patrick Beverly, he's on the way to Israel, you know what I'm saying? Like right now to play basketball. And we watched him tell an ESPN lady after a game, are you subscribed to my channel?

And she said no. And he's like, well, you can't interview me. Bro, this is not time for your podcast to see if somebody subscribed to your channel. They're trying to figure out why did you have seven or eight points tonight? Yo, if you ain't subscribed to my channel, it's personalized, but that's on Mesa's side. But to agree with Mo as well, that's why I like social media so much and people who have the platform to do podcasts

or anything else, where you can get your message across without having to wait for somebody to get your message across. Growing up, we've seen so many times that you had to wait for Barbara Walters to come interview Mike Tyson or somebody at that stope, somebody in that statue to come get your point across.

But I do love now that if you have a point to get across or something to say, yeah, absolutely. I think that's what's dope about it. And like Mo said, especially football players, because what it's called is called helmet syndrome. Poor is when they don't know you because you just wear a helmet all the time. You know how many times I've been in a club

with NFL players and they gotta go overboard to show niggas they got money, they gotta take their shirt off, they on the biggest speaker. Oh, oh, all the bottles, $50,000 bottles come in. Then the DJ start hyping them up. Nigga, Indianapolis,ts are down here tonight. 40,000 spent, and I'll be looking like, all this shit for one night,

cause nobody know who you is, cause you a defensive tackle. Who, who, who? They just be looking like, yo, it's ridiculous. And you know what, I noticed that, cause the only time I see this is when I'm in Miami in the club. Always in Miami.

Always in Miami. They bring out the letters and the numbers and they're like, 30,000, extra bottles. Superman music going, da da da da. We have a record of 70,000 spent in here tonight. Rayquan Phillips from the North Carolina Panthers. Because he's been wearing a helmet all season, and nobody wants the girls to know who he is.

So I know exactly what you're talking about, Mo. We call it helmet syndrome, because these niggas used to be in here bugging, because nobody knows who they are, and they have to prove who they are. But we'll see what happens with Debo. Another thing is this last thing, and what I'll wrap up is this.

Just because you have access to a microphone, a camera, anything else, that don't mean you have personality. That's first and foremost personality. Secondly, if you don't have personality, you have to get the guests to counteract whatever your personality is. If you don't have access to guests, this is where M where Mase gonna come back and say, I told you so. Yeah, for real.

Exactly. And all of these guys we name have a lot of personality. Draymond has a lot of personality. No, Draymond should have success. Pat Bev had, no, that's what I'm saying. They have a lot of personality. So I don't want them to think that we're, like that I'm talking down on them.

I'm just saying if I had the what I prefer pause when it comes to sports. OK, we're going to go to break when we return. We will discuss to Sean Watson. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day. Sunday the Bengals will play the Chiefs. Underdog fantasy has Joe Burrow at 229 and a half passing yards. Do you have him higher or lower? Mace?

Who? Joe Burrow? Joe Burrow's how many yards? 229 and a half. I'm going higher. Which you better do. I'm gonna go high as well. I think that, you know, I think he had a good week, which he hasn't, and I don't know none of this for a fact, but I think he had a good week.

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which he hasn't, and I don't know none of this for a fact, that he probably had the best week he had with Jamar Chase in practice, because he was on the hold out, he wasn't coming to pre-season, he wasn't coming to practice. I believe he had a good week, and they'll be on the same pace.

I'm gonna go high as well. Okay, Jamar Chase is at 70 and a half receiving yards. Do you have him higher or lower cam? Yeah, if Joe Burrow gonna get 229 or what you just said, then Jamar got to have 70 of that. I'm gonna go higher. Yeah, I'm going higher too. Okay, and Travis Kelsey is at five receptions.

Do you have him higher or lower mace? Higher. Yeah, he might be seven, eight reception. Listen, man, he might one thing and one thing for sure two things for certain. With Tyreek, he'll not be in there the last year and a half or two years or whatever it is. Travis Kelsey is a package of my home's security blanket. He'll he'll get it to him if he has to. I'm gonna go higher. I'm gonna go higher for Travis.

Okay. Make sure you download the Underdog Fantasy app so you can make your picks too. And guys, don't forget about that mystery promo. If you have the app, which you should, if you don't go download Underdog Fantasy, it'll be in your app. We are joined back with our analyst.

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Come and Talk to Me Network. We appreciate the love. Just wanted to let y'all know that. Yes, for sure. Okay, we are joined back with our analyst Maurice Claret. Okay. So Maurice, earlier in the week, we chatted about Deshaun Watson. Definitely want to get your thoughts and input as well. Do you guys feel like as a whole, he is struggling to return to his old self as a result of the social media and bad press and allegations when before he was once at a high.

Yeah, I believe it's definitely plagued him. And the reason I said is like, you know, it's kind of building off of what Mase was talking about where, you know, an individual only has so much time to focus or so much energy to focus on something. I think when he was having success down in Houston, he was just worried about going to play football, having fun, and just that magical thing that you do when you pause, when you plan, you're preparing, and just all that stuff that takes place before you become a star. I think he was in that zone. I think once he got the allegations, so much of your time is probably spent with lawyers.

So much time is spent on people calling you and you defending yourself and saying what you did and didn't do, and just your attention is just basically distracted now. You may be able to go out there and go through the motions, but then when you're going to play, you're going to play to try to prove something to somebody, or you're going to play and trying to live up to this contract and just like you out of tune. You know what I'm saying?

And I don't know the music analogy, but it's like person forcing to make music or forcing to do something that they've been gifted at. And like you're doing something in the wrong spirit or trying to prove people wrong that Cleveland didn't waste their money by spending 250 million and going out there and just trying to force them. So I definitely believe that it's affecting him. And I'm a Cleveland Browns fan. And so I trying to force them. So I definitely believe that it's affecting him and I'm a Cleveland Browns fan and so I hate to see it, but all of this, this drama, so to speak, has basically caught up and I don't know if he can ever get it right. Yeah.

Um, I agree with you a lot of what you had to share. I know Jim Brown does not like this. You know, this is one of those situations where the Sean Watson and any other athlete that's watching this need to take hold of this information. And that's that when you're trying to when you've had former success, you can really hold yourself up trying to recapture something that you've done before. The best advice to any person that's in this position is to work,

to be better than you was before. Cause you're never going to be the person that you was before, but you can be better than you was before. And I think if you, if you set your mind and be better than what you was before, you have a better chance of doing that than trying to recapture your old self or something you did before. Yeah, I like both of you guys take on that. That was really good.

I really like your take on what you said, Mo, as far as somebody doing music. Because for me, and just really thanking God to be totally honest that I'm in a position, not just with, especially with this show, but with all the other things that I do, that music isn't a priority for me. And that's why I think I have so much fun with music now is because I don't need it to pay my bills. If I do music, it's just cause I want to like,

I've been doing it so long that I just be sitting there thinking about rhymes when I'm not even thinking about rhymes. You know what I'm saying? So when I do these freestyles or when I do a song, it's really more fun for me than anything else. And that's why I think I enjoy it more than ever because it was time like damn, I gotta turn this album and is this right, is this right? Or even like when Mase brought it up before actually, I don't know what because it was time like, damn, I gotta turn this album in. Is this right? Is this right?

Or even like when Mase brought it up before actually, I don't know what season it was, maybe last season or season before when he was doing his first album. I don't know if it was D-Dot or whoever was like, you sure you don't wanna keep that verse so-and-so album that's coming out on Tuesday or whatever. Now you feel like you're under pressure

to do something better than somebody else or whatever, even though you always want to be the best, but I don't, you know, it's super duper fun. And I don't know if, like you said, if it's fun for Deshaun Watson. And that's a great, great statement. Is this fun to you or are you just here to get your check? a great, great statement. Is this fun to you or you just here to get your check?

Okay. And then just in general, in this social media era where everybody has a lot to say about everything, is there anything that you guys feel like an athlete can do to redeem themselves after serious allegations like sexual assault and domestic violence? Yeah, well, we kind of said it earlier in reference to guys having podcasts. And the only thing you can do to redeem yourself is to have success. Success and winning seems to eliminate everything.

But if you're not emotionally mature or you don't have the focus that it takes to get back into that space that Cam was talking about in regards to having fun and doing the stuff that created you into who you are most of the times, like, you know, you'll just fall to the wayside. Yeah, I think, like you said, winning and having success on the field or on the court is your best opportunity to kind of put some distance between you and that situation. You take, um, rest in peace. The, the late great Kobe Bryant.

I remember the game. He came back from the courts and I think he had, uh, it was some astronomical number that he had. I know it was way above 50 that he had on the court. And all of a sudden that began to get more and more distance away, the more and more he played well. And then you take somebody recently like Josh Giddy, right? Um, these allegations come out and then he doesn't play well. And then all of that is still lingering over his head.

Pause. I don't know. This is a good one. It's a good question, cause different scenarios for me, like Kobe and Josh Giddy, me personally, they wasn't found guilty or anything. Mike Tyson found guilty or something.

And when you're found guilty, that's why to me, when it be like, yo, females, if somebody didn't do something to you and you're that mad that you wanna do something to them, just get a mugged or robbed or set up then call rape on them. Nah, serious, you can say what you want. Cause now you got a register in towns, that shit follows you around if

you're innocent if you did it then that's the shit you deserve but it's hard once you're convicted of rape yeah to come back and do and do anything so when I say that I wasn't saying it in a joking way because sometimes look I remember some players from st. John's I can't remember the year and luckily they taped the conversation. They didn't want to pay this female cab home, it wasn't Uber's, and they recorded it,

because she had sex with three players from St. John's, and she said that they raped them, and they was very adamant that they did, and they recorded the conversation, she's like, I let all y'all fuck it, y'all didn't even want to pay my cab fare, fuck that. And if they didn't catch that recording, that shit could have followed these young men

the rest of their life. But luckily they recorded that. So when I was saying that, I know it sound funny a lot of things that I be saying and shit, but like if you that mad, and niggas stab a nigga or shoot cause that convicted rapist shit follows you forever, my nigga. And if you didn't do nothing, that's fucked up. If you did it, you deserve it.

But if you didn't, that's wow. That was a good take. We don't condone violence, but like Cam said, yeah, there's definitely other ways to handle that. Yeah, no, I'm not condoning violence, but I'm saying at least a mug in is over with. Fake rapers with you forever. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that shit like herpes. Switch. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

I'm just kidding. Okay, moving along. Okay, I had a Colorado versus Colorado state game, which is actually the game that we were at last year. Love a good in state rivalry. Tori Horton and Brayden Fowler had a lot to say. Tori said, I don't feel like we left it on the field because we should have murdered them guys.

They came out with that attitude as they were on as if they were on top of the world This ain't no Cinderella story then Brayden said we'll see how far their Instagram followers can take them How do you guys feel about the trash talk ahead of the game? Man we just said I don't know who we're talking about with people not being media trained all the kids from San Francisco These two dumbass niggas ain't media trained. The last thing you do is go give somebody what they call it a locker room material, right? And Colorado could have been sleeping or they could have been caught up into the loss from Nebraska.

But y'all talking shit. You just provoked somebody and you gave one of the most motivating speaking motherfuckers, Deion Sanders material to hype his team up to go kick your ass. You know what I'm saying? And so I just said to myself, I'm like, these dudes are basically poking a bear or poking somebody that they didn't really need to do because they didn't have to answer all that. What happened was they seen Colorado lose to Nebraska and they think that they're Nebraska, but they're not Nebraska.

They're not even close to being Nebraska, right? And I hope Deon and those guys kicked the shit out of these dudes. And I hope that they use that video because I don't like everybody playing Shakur's, a Shador's song inside the locker room after they beat him. I don't really liked that, right? I hope they beat them and I hope he waved the arm and all that shit. So, Dallas to Colorado.

Yeah, in agreement with what you're saying, I think this is exactly what the offensive line in Colorado needs to turn around. Sometime it takes hearing somebody make fun of you, make fun of the team to make you actually get the point because sometimes the coach is saying it, but you've been hearing it so much that you probably went radio silence on that. But now that you hear other people playing, I really, really pray and hope that this is

something that make that offensive line turn around. Because if it does, then they can they can really have a magical season. Yeah, two things. Yeah, y'all are not Nebraska. That's first and foremost. Pardon me, y'all are not Nebraska. That's first and foremost. Secondly, you made a great point, Mo.

Deon, I was in that locker room. That nigga brought his mother up on the podium, said, I forget what they said about him the week before. He brought his mother up there and said, you basically said my mother ain't raise you right. I'm looking around for my helmet and shoulder pads. He had me so hype. I'm ready to run out on the field.

And if I had to get some blocks, tackles, whatever I need to do after that speech, I was gonna do it because Dion had me at motivated. Was you there when his mother came with you? Cause we went there a few days. Yeah, I was there. For the one with his mother? Yeah.

Yeah, did you hike? Yeah. Like shit was lit. I was running out the tunnel. Like yeah. Dion had niggas lit, so you're right Mo, this is great locker room material. That's first and foremost.

Secondly, I think that because Colorado played so poorly last week that all these teams think they are Vic. Like, oh, we got these niggas. These niggas is, we ain't gotta worry about these niggas. This is a dub. These niggas is, we ain't gotta worry about these niggas. This is a dub. You think they're easy Vic. So hopefully they'll turn it around this week and we'll, at least I'll root for you coach Pram.

And we'll see what happens. But what I will say is this, even with the victory they had the first week, I don't know what's going on with the defense because even in the first week, the defense was poor, super duper poor. They didn't play that well on offense last week, but the first week offense looked like a well-done machine that was moving and grooving poor.

But the defense, two weeks in a row, I don't know what's going on. It's a new defensive coordinator, Warren Sapp is there. They ought to plug them holes in and poor. So we'll see what happens, but I'm rooting for you, Coach Prime. Definitely rooting for Coach Prime too, but. And I understand the part of a rivalry,

but I just feel like, kind of like Maurice said, media training, like you can say that after y'all win, because we literally saw y'all get whooped last year. So for you to go on camera and say like, yeah, we should have murdered them guys. We're coming for revenge. Like to me, it's kind of corny. Like, I feel like play well, then you could talk your shit.

But before it's just kind of like you're doing a lot. Huh? I just thought of something. Yeah. I can see, remember the stupid ass coach. He birthed the glasses. That's the cat who he started talking crazy last year. And Deion took that.

I just thought about that when he was talking about the game. It was their head coach who talked about the glasses who gave Deion a locker room material. And then he created a whole brand. So- That's exactly what happened. He said, my mother told me to take my hat and glasses off when I'm speaking to people.

Yes. And that's when Deion brought his mother out and said, so you basically saying my mother ain't raised me right. Yep, you're absolutely right. Okay. And then last topic before we close. So when Charles Barkley talked about the jealousy people have for Caitlin Clark, Shaq said, loud mouths like Chuck are talking about hating.

It's not hating. It's like you're good, but let's slow it down a notch. He then said, as good as Caitlin is, we've had a lot of young ladies doing good before and not getting props. People like props and they want to feel good when you're talking about their league. It's not hating. Everybody has to wait their turn.

How do you guys feel about Shaq's comments? Wait their turn? See, I'm not going to wait for Maurice. Look at this. Wait, Shaq, what what you mean wait your turns check Coming the league you wasn't waiting your turn shot Where you getting this from I come in music. I'm not waiting my turn. I know No, we're not doing that shack if you young and you ready to ball out

No matter what you do, basketball, football, baseball, hockey, um, rap, singing. If you got the goods pause and you're ready, we can't put you on a back burner for these old niggas. You serious? Come on. Shaq. Mo now Mo can go. Pause.

Shout out to Coach Prime. It's your door. I was thinking to myself, man, I was asking when I, when I seen this, I seen people like criticizing Shaq. I just thought to myself, since Shaq represents so many positive brands and Shaq is known like the wholesome guy and everybody likes rooting for him. I wonder if people can only see Shaq in that bucket

and anything else that he says nobody cares about. And I don't know if I'm kind of explaining it clearly or right, but it's lately, it seems that everybody has a problem with anything Shaq says outside of the TNT platform or anything like related like that. Everything else is categorized as hate. And I don't know if he's like, just like a cultural hero. But I don't know if all that makes sense in regards to the point that we're

talking about, but hopefully what I just said makes sense. Yeah, but I get what you're saying. But Shaq is also like the godfather of something of Angel Reese. So it's going to come across like hate because he has this personal relationship with Angel Reese, which is a phenomenal player. And Shaq is definitely, I mean, a hall of famous shoe shoe. Yeah.

LSU grandfather of LSU. Come on now. We, we know where this is going. It's like me saying something about people on death row. They can't take that as honest. Yeah. And I, and what I'll say is this isn't really about Shaq or, or Charles Barkley, my statement.

I mean, you're a different race, and you come do good in a sport which is primarily dominated by the opposite race that you are, you're gonna get attention. We don't, I don't know who the second, third, fourth, fifth best golf players is, but when Tiger Woods gets out there, as much as he still hasn't won, they put it on TV. Tiger's playing today.

Oh shit, Tiger, he hasn't won in 72 years, but he's gonna get on TV, because he's the black nigga dominating the sport where there's not a lot of black people in. Same thing, like, you know, that's why Serena and Venus had super dope careers, because they were really good in a sport where it's not a lot of black people. And I'm not saying it's all white,

it's people from around the world when it comes to tennis. Every nationality there is, but it isn't a lot of women of color during the time that they're there. So they get the attention, not only they're good, but they're not the color of the sport that's dominated by white people. So when it comes to somebody like Caitlin Clark or Larry Bird, and that's why we always say the

great white hope when it's like this the best American basketball player since Larry Bird, because of course we get Navinsky or we get Luca or we get a plethora of other players that have been good, but none of them are from America. And a sport where it's dominated by black people, you're going to get attention. That's just the way it is. That's just my opinion on that. When you're the black cat, no pun intended, in a good way, you're going to get that attention if it's warranted.

And the fan base becomes diversified. That's the real catalyst of the whole thing. When she does well, it diversifies the portfolio just like Tyga does for golf. So now it's not just Caucasian people watching golf. Now it's people like me watching golf. It's people like Killer watching golf. And we would never watch golf.

I would never, not in a million years, watch golf. But I see somebody that kinda resemble me. You know they say all black people look alike, right? So I'm thinking, hey, I might could play. Give me two weeks. No, but that's a fact even. Yeah, that's a fact because now it's like Family Feud. When you watch Family Feud,

if a white family playing a black family, we rooting for the black family like, yo, come on nigga, don't fuck this up. The Perkins, yeah, the Perkins. Yeah, the Jenkins. Welcome to Jenkins. You rooting for the Jenkins. Yeah. Welcome to Jenkins. You rooting for the Jenkins. So, and if you lose, you mad at the black family.

Like, damn, come on, my niggas. You lost the niggas on family feud. So yeah, that makes you gonna watch. And that's what I was trying to say. When I didn't get to the point where he's like, it brings another diversification, but it's a fact like that they're dominating the sport that we don't want it, like yeah.

Like even, and even get deeper, like, and a lot of shit too, and RIP my nigga OJ. As much as we wanted OJ to win the trial, we started saying, well, who's the Cochran nigga? He killing these white lawyers. Now we starving for OJ and Cochran. Then what happens? Everybody's by the camera like this.

The rule in his zen. Right, and then what happens? Whoa! Yeah, niggas go crazy. Then what happens, murder? Cochran go off and get crazy. Everybody need Cochran. Everybody need Cochran.

Everybody need Cochran out there. Nails pop is with Cochran. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. Yeah. So we definitely root for each other. And I'm not, this is not reverse racism. We love white lawyers, athletes, et cetera. We're saying keep that same energy.

Yeah. The same way we would support, let them support. I know one thing though, and this is my last point on this whole thing. And look, man, and this we not, niggas ain't gonna be this honest. I told niggas straight up and now I rooted for Caitlin Clark from my sophomore years to the last game of her season because I said, she going against Dawn Stanley, I gotta go with the blacks. Yeah, you did say that.

Remember we was back in Miami. I said, I'm rooting for her because she's wearing my number. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm in the top three. Greatest players to ever wear 22 besides me and cry. Clyde Drexler. Yeah. I'm not feeling that I miss because 22 and little it ain't 23. They said I'm not feeling that nice because 22 ain't lit lit. It ain't 23. It ain't six. So if you want to be 20, you're Clyde Drexler. I ain't playing into that. You and Clyde.

No, I said me then Clyde. I mean, Clyde ain't before me. Okay, no problem with me. You... You... You... That's cool. Well, this was a great discussion.

Maurice, thank you for being here. Mo, man, we appreciate you, man. Thanks for always bringing new insight and new light to the show, too, man. We appreciate that. And shout out to my Ohio State family. I'm trying, baby. Family. Let's go, baby. appreciate that. And shout out to my Ohio state family. Well, that's all the time that we have for today. Thanks for watching.

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