IT IS WHAT IT IS - KEVIN DURANT SAYS STEPH CURRY IS TOP 5 ALL-TIME & KYLE KUZMA YOU NOT FOOLIN' US! | S3 EP30

Episode Date: February 14, 2024

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Murder, what up, man? Killer, what's good, man? Shit, what's happening, man? Everything good? Chilling, man. Okay. Money blue today? Yeah, man.

Blue blood. Blue blood. All right. Like a blue, like a pair of pennies, man. Yeah. Like that. Title Town, you know? Title Town was red a couple days ago. Like a blue, like a pair of pennies, man. Yeah. Like that. Title Town, you know? Title Town was red a couple days ago.

It's blue now. Okay. He's on a move. Here we go. He's on a move. Yeah, that was last Sunday. All right. You know, we switch up pretty quickly around here.

What's the blue for? Might be Denver, you know. I'm on to my next title team. That's not Denver blue. That's more like the Giants Orlando blue. Blue is blue. Yeah. Okay.

Oh, yeah. Thanks for the pennies idea, killer. I'm going to have to put the pennies with this. A pair of pennies, man. Yeah. It's tough for original pennies, man. And today we are joined with our analyst Mark Jackson.

Mark, what's up, man? Everything good. How y'all doing? Yeah, what's happening? Everything all right? How was your week? It was good. Excellent. Super Bowl. A lot of fun. Great game, so it was good. Yeah, man. We missed you, man. We happy you back. Absolutely. Good to be back. Yes, sir. That's great. Okay, so let was good. Yeah, man. We missed you, man. We happy you back. Absolutely.

Good to be back. Yes, sir. That's great. Okay, so let's- Mark, what's going on? The governor is back. What kind of blue did you say that was? Well, that was convenient.

Right. Whoever's winning in blue. It could be the Giants. It could be the Yankees or anything. He's going to find the nearest color blue. It could be turquoise. Now that he said it, if you ain't hear him, he said it was Denver blue. I don't know if I've seen Denver blue.

Maybe the Mavericks is close. Okay, so let's get started with what I think think is a pretty heated discussion there's a lot of different opinions on this so after curry's game winner a couple days ago kevin durant says steph curry is top five ever he said he's an all-time great the greatest ever at his position top five ever you give him a look like that for game he's licking his chops so one thoughts on his quote, and two, do you agree? Well, the only thing is with Kevin Durant's comment, he didn't specify whether he meant top five, what,

point guard, top five players, so I don't know what he was basically saying, but Steph Curry is amongst the all-time greats either way you put it, and he's a guy that you don't want with a ball in his hands, down the stretch, especially coming out of a timeout. You have to make sure that somebody else beats you,

not named Steph Curry on that floor. You're the greatest, bro. You are the greatest. Mark might be top five. Mark might be top five. He put no number behind it. There's no number behind what you say. Is he in the top five, top ten, top five point guards, top ten players?

Are you not answering that? You're just ignoring the question. He's definitely a top five point guard of all time. He's definitely a top five point guard of all time. You're talking about top five player of all time. It's up for debate, but he's certainly a guy that's comfortably in that discussion. It's up for debate, Mark?

You putting Stephen Curry in the top five up for debate? No, no, it's up for debate if somebody want to argue it. I haven't put together my list yet, but he certainly is one of the all-time greats to ever lace him up. So he's in the discussion with his body of work and what he continues to add to it. So is this debate at the barbershop? Is this the barbecue debate? Or is this the debate amongst NBA guys such as yourself? Or do you think it's everywhere?

We don't debate that. We appreciate his greatness and his stamp on the game of basketball today and historically. So I don't have time to debate it as far as with NBA players. We acknowledge his greatness. I like that answer.

Mark is very diplomatic. He could have been in Dipset, yo. Mark is a diplomat for real. Yeah, he's very diplomatic. He's very diplomatic. He could have been in Dipset, yo. Mark is a diplomat, for real. Yeah, he's very diplomatic. He's very diplomatic. I don't know if he was the kind of diplomatic I was. Yeah, not John Dipset. But I mean, he can represent.

He's one of them diplomats that he can have the plates on his car. Yeah. Park where you want to park. That's the diplomat he is. So he didn't say top because Mark just avoided the whole question. He didn't say top 10 point guards. He just said top 10, top 5

period. He said top 5 ever and then the greatest ever at his position. Mark got somewhere to be next week, you know, so he got to make sure he can go he can go back, you know, wherever he needs to go. My opinion is

I'm going to go with top five point guards, but I disagree with Kevin Durant. That's my bro. I just disagree. Steph Curry, top five point guards. I'm not going to

say he's the best in his position either because I don't even know where to put him number wise, but he's definitely top five. But he's not even a traditional point guard. Steph Curry rarely brings the ball up. I don't even know what you call him because he's like a glorified two-guard, really. He brings the ball up once in a while. 95% of the time, maybe Draymond brings it up, and he's on the move. He just starts running. When they were in the half-court offense, he's not sitting still.

He passes, he moves. It's a task just to guard him all around the court during the half-court set. He's not running the show, really, like directing traffic like my man Action Jackson, Mark, used to do. Or a traditional point guard like Isaiah Thomas or somebody even like Chris Paul today. He's off the ball. He's running. He's moving. He's going through picks.

He's going around two, three picks trying to find an open shot. So even though I know he's labeled a point guard, I don't consider him a traditional point guard He's I don't know what you call it. I guess you called a one-two Combo combo, but to me, you know, I Don't know what you call that. It's it's like not a busy not a regular point guard. He's not traditional He can't can he run a point? Absolutely. He can run a point, but that isn't what he does.

I'm not going to say greatest point guard ever. A game changer, yes. Somebody that you don't want to leave open. Somebody that's going to make you pay. Absolutely. But it's just too early. And I'm not going to say early. He's 35 years old.

I'm with Mark. I haven't put my list together. I don't have to sit there and think about it. I would really have to go watch some basketball. We've seen a lot of moments. And what happens is people become prisoners of the moment because they're in it. You're in the moment. You're like, nah, this is crazy.

I've never seen nothing like this in my life. Yeah, you missed a lot of shit in the 80s. Like, we missed some shit in the 70s. You might have missed some shit in the 90s. Like, we missed some shit in the 70s. Or you might have missed some shit in the 90s. It's called being a prisoner of the moment. And I'm not saying that's what Kevin Durant is. I'm just saying a lot of times people were like, nah, he's the best. I was watching after the Super Bowl, and I seen so many football players.

I'm talking about ex-Super Bowl champions, Ryan Clark, other analysts as well, and say, yo, I don't care. Patrick Mahomes is the best football player I've ever seen in my life. And I'm like, God damn, bro. Yeah, that's prison of the moment.

Yeah, like, yo, bro, y'all niggas played enough and seen enough football to say that this man is the best ever. He got three Super Bowl rings. I know he got a ton of time left. Let him use the time and make a decision. You know, when Tom Brady's in, you're a prisoner of that

moment. You know, when Joe Montana's in, you're a prisoner of that moment. You get what I'm saying? When Ben Roethlisberger was, you're a prisoner. People got to stop who's old enough, I'm going to say. People who's old enough need to stop being prisoners of the moment and forgetting what happened in the

past because you know even like you know before with kevin durant you know i see him upset because something was going on with kobe and this one kobe like was towards end of his career and he was like yo i don't like the way y'all treating kobe kobe was our michael joy and that could be true for him you know i was telling, I don't even remember what I was talking about. And I was like, it's one thing going to YouTube and seeing something.

Like, let's just say Michael Jordan. It's one thing going to see Michael Jordan clips on YouTube. It's another thing being in the aura, pause in the air, and talking about it and see what the fuck was going on and going to the park

and trying to leave sideways and dunking. But you know, you're in the moment and you're not just stat wise you're in the atmosphere some shit time sometime should be in the air pause so yeah um being old enough to see all that i don't make decisions as fast as i used to make them because i'm like i kind of seen this movie before a little bit and then the next person comes and then the next person comes and you're like, I don't know, but definitely top five point guard.

I don't know where I got him at all time, but I can't put him as top point guard at this very moment. Can't do it. Where would you place him? I don't know.

He's definitely top five. I just said top five. He's a game changer but you know at the end of the day i believe we had this conversation uh you got magic johnson who saved the nba with larry bird you know and then michael jordan came and also did that not only that you got magic johnson who won a high school championship then won a college championship and then won an nba championship back to back to back to back. You got Magic Johnson

who was a 6'9 point guard which was unthinkable at the time where they was like, wow, you got a 6'9 guy playing point guard. Guys, they had Thomas who scored 25 points

in the quarter on one leg. You know, it's a lot, a lot of due diligence I need to do. Now, I'm not sitting here saying Steph Curry hasn't done amazing shit. He's the number one. He has plenty of time left. a lot of due diligence I need to do. Now, I'm not sitting here saying, Steph Curry hasn't done amazing shit. He's the number one.

He has plenty of time left. I know he's 35 years old. Plenty of basketball left. The all-time leading three-point shooter ever. This is over Reggie Miller. This is over Ray Allen. People forget people like Dale Curry, Kyle Corver.

He's the number one three-point shooter ever, by far, not even by close by far so I'm not taking away from him and not saying he may not be the number one point guard at one time

but what happened was I seen what happened the other day Steph Curry hits that three Kevin Durant can't even believe it he like cause he played with him

that's his nigga he like nah this nigga's special nah this nigga and listen let me tell you something if I seen the shit that Steph Curry did

if you was Steph Curry and I was covering the red and I played with you and played against you and we were friends and you just did what you did what Steph Curry did

to the Phoenix Suns don't they I'd be like nah Mace Mace is the greatest ever nah nah Mace is the greatest man that's my thing

he's a prisoner he's a prisoner he's a prisoner I get it now it's a friendship at the moment and not just that it's also a friendship there and a bond

so so it's easier for you to say it cause you ain't hating on a nigga yeah exactly so I'm hating on a nigga

nah let me stop let me stop yeah there's no way I'll put him over Magic. But if he get this next championship, because you guys said everything I wanted to say. If he get another championship, I'm putting him before Magic, and I'm putting him before LeBron. You're putting him ahead of both of those guys, you're saying?

If he gets another championship, if he gets number five, I'm putting him above Magic and I'm putting him above LeBron. Definitely. Mark, do you agree with that logic? I mean, he got all the credentials, all the credentials. At that point, he would have all the credentials. The argument lessens. Like, Killer told me about LeBron.

Every year, it gets harder and harder to go against LeBron's claim. That's what it would do for me is Stephen Curry get number five because now we would have to say this guy's gotten three without Kevin Durant. So at this point, he broke all the three-point records there's no point guard that's anywhere in the stratosphere with him right now he's a hybrid just like magic something we never seen before so he checks all of the boxes what other boxes would he have to check well Well, Magic would have had, does have five championships. LeBron has his championships. On top of that, he's the all-time leading scorer in the history of the game.

On top of that, he's a top five assist man in the history of the game. On top of that, he's still getting it done with no end in sight 20-plus years later. And he switched teams. When did that become a, so if you go from. I'm a purist, Mark. I'm a purist mark i'm a purist mark put me with put me with um if you went from from atlantic to duff j yeah let me let me tell you what it's like let me tell you what it's like it's like snoop dog with no limit we don't count that i don't count that we we we go with the purest mark i'm from that time of bob koozie and jerry rice i'm a

purest mark like like stanley that was named van gundy that was sitting next to you while y'all was arguing he's a purist i'm of that club the whole thing about it jerry right jerry rice plays football just we're talking about what sam yeah i'm saying no matter where you put it, I'm for the pure game. I'm not for niggas grouping up to beat niggas. I'm going to beat you by myself. I'm from that era, you know? Adrian Dantley.

That era. So you take away Tom Brady's championship and tap it in. Well, let me explain that to you. to a degree because he went there and he went there with somebody that's a great point but LeBron's is a little bit different and I'm gonna tell you why because when you look at LeBron he's up there trying to say he's Mike Brady was never saying that we just said that about him It's a difference

Brady got a guy Pushed out the door too Yeah and he got He didn't have He LeBron didn't have to leave He figured he couldn't win here With the pieces that he had

So he joined another nigga It would be like Magic saying You know what This summer bird Me and you going to the Bulls Come on Mark You ever played in the park and you it was only

one seven footer you pick all the big men and then try to act like you beat us nigga you got everybody on your team so that's a great point so then you don't use that against once kevin durant went to the warriors you only use it one way no I I look at it I look at it every way Mark I look at it every way like to me it's a it's a championship it definitely counts for Kevin Durant but it don't mean as much to me I'm a purist I keep the same energy across the board to Mace's point when he said it when he started this I'm not agreeing with him or disagreeing. I don't have an opinion. I'm not going to put him over these people just yet, but what he did say is if he

wins another championship, that means he won three without Kevin Durant. Exactly. And no COVID championship. No COVID championship. But you counted two with Kevin Durant. No, I'm saying at this point, Mark, I'm saying what I'm saying.

You're putting words in my equation. I'm saying the guy would have three, just like Kobe would have three. How many would Kobe have? Two without Shaq? But Kobe ain't never leave. I know. That's my point. And thank you, Cam, because Steph never left.

He stayed right there at that same organization. No matter who comes in or who goes out, pause, I win. Whether it's Iguodala, whether it's Gary Payton Jr., whether it's Kevin Durant, whether it's Poole, whether it's Wiggins, put me with any group. I'm like that. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm expecting. Not every time something goes wrong.

Could you please get us this top five player? Could you please get us this top great player to play with us? That's not what Magic was doing. Even though he was on a team with some great players, that's not what he was doing. I'm a purist, my heart. And I see that is that. All right. So in response to his first game back with Draymond

after Draymond hit him in the face and then got suspended, Nurkic said he takes back everything he said. He said Draymond didn't learn anything and he shouldn't have a second chance. How do you feel about his comments after the fact? Let Mark answer that. All right, I'm turning in my license plate. Enough is enough.

Understand, Dramon's not your friend. He's not trying to be your friend. He's coming after you with everything he has in between those lines to win ballgames. So while you're trying to help him up and trying to stay nice and play nice and all that, these guys are competitive assassins, and they play with an edge. They play to win, and they'll do whatever it takes. So I don't need to hear it now. Don't change the tune now. The same thing, I mean, you look at the way that the Warriors were going about

playing and the way the Phoenix Suns was going about playing. It was a different mentality as far as competitive spirit and competitive fight. There's a reason the Warriors willed themselves to win that ball game because of the way they went after it. Short-handed, undersized and all. They competed at a level that if you don't match

it, you don't stand a chance. Mark, that's what I'm talking about. That's why I said if he wins again, I'm putting him top five. You just explained it, Mark. So you do get me. You just said it. That's exactly you. You use better words than I use, but that's exactly what I mean. This guy, they're competing on a high level and they're

competing every, I mean, Steph is competing every time on this level. And that's what I look at. When it comes to this guy, he's just passive aggressive. He want to win, but he wants somebody to help him win. I'm not from this time. I'm not from this time, Cam. It's on you, killer. I'm not from this time. They could have left me in the 90s. Yeah, I agree with Mark and what you said. But that's what happens when we have too much camaraderie and too much friendship, and everybody's kumbaya.

And they thinking, okay, I know you slap me, man, but we cool. Yeah, it's like Ryan Garcia when he got knocked out. He said, can we be friends? Yeah. He said, what? Yeah, like, yo, my nigga, you slap me, we cool. I swear to God, I was watching the game, man, like, yo, my nigga, you slap me, we cool.

I swear to God, I was watching the game, man, and I forget, I think I was talking to Beezle, if I'm not mistaken. I was like, as soon as Draymond would have went up for a layup, if I had not slapped the shit out Draymond, that would have been on my mind.

Because I don't have a track, if I'm talking about if I'm Nerkish, I don't have a track record. I'm not getting suspended 12 games. They're going to give me about one and a half, maybe one and a half. I come in at halftime on the second game. I'm smacking dog shit fire out of Draymond off the layup. Soon as he come on way,

all this trying to be friends and be cool. First play, I get the chance and act like it's a basketball pick. Bah! Yeah. And he look at you. Your hand is part of the ball. Pause.

Yo, bro. That was my... I swear to God, I sat down and we was watching the play. I'm watching the game. I'm like, why is this nigga trying to be friends with a nigga that snagged the dog shit out of him?

I don't get it. I don't really got too much to say about it. Nigga slap me, I'm never your friend, bro. I don't care what's going on. That was not a basketball. Now, don't get me wrong. I've been closed lines.

I've been low-bridged for a split. Nigga low-bridged you on purpose you for. Those are kind of basketball ladies. I remember when we used to play basketball, my coach said, and you know, the rules have changed, but my coach used to say, if somebody comes to the basket,

all five of y'all come to the basket and everybody foul them. They can only call the foul on one person. He said, y'all hurt the nigga because they can only call the foul on one of y'all. So all of y'all foul the nigga. That's what I'm thinking. That's how we grew up. Exactly.

So if the nigga trying to get this used to dunking or taking off and all that, you have five niggas about to chop your neck off or hit you in your rib, do whatever we could because we know it's only one foul. They can only call... Like I said,

I didn't mean to go back that far. You can't throw the whole team out. Yeah, and not just throw them out. Back then, it would be a regular foul. Y'all think about it, nigga.

I think it was Kevin McHale, clothesline, Kurt Rambis, and they didn't get kicked out the game. He got a tech and kept it moving. Like, that shit he did to Kurt Rambis, that'll be like a nine-game suspension right now. You know what I'm saying?

So, I don't really get what Nurkis was trying to do, or say, rather, like he didn't learn that. What you thought he went to? Where you thought he went them 12 games? Like anger management, nigga? Nah, that nigga was threatening to retire like because he wasn't backing down

off his small paws. So I don't, you know, whatever, Nurkis. Yeah, he said he thought he tried to hit him in his head, but he missed him. And he was like, and Draymond just told him,

he said, what he said, i want to get the quote right he said this nigga just too small yeah and and he's and nurkish is talking to him by about four inches four so okay kyle kuzma mentioned that the wizards offered him a trade to dallas but he chose to stay in D.C. to build something there. So one, how do you think his plan is going? And then two, would you guys have liked to see him in Dallas?

Mark first. Well, I'm sure the purists wants him to stay in Washington. Got you there, Mace. Mace. What did he say? He said, I'm sure the purists wants him to stay in Washington.

Yeah. I mean, but purist wants him to stay in Washington. Yeah. I mean, but if he could go to Dallas, it's not the same. It's not the same. It's not like that. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. You're right. They got Kyrie and they got what you call it.

But if it comes to a trade that's different than me saying, calling five people and saying, meet me. It's different, Mark. That's different. It's what the team does is what the team decided to do. But when I start doing it on my own to beat Paul Pierce and to beat Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen, and then tell Ray Allen to meet me down there on the low, too. This is a lot going on, Mark. That is a lot going on. That is a lot going on. I will say this as far as Kuzma. I respect the fact that he wanted to stay in Washington and he wants to stay in Washington and see it through to better days and better times and a winning culture created. So I respect it. And

I'm sure it had to be a tough decision. One thing you guys are well aware of is not just about me picking up and going from Washington to Dallas. I got to think about my family, my friends, my relationships, get a new house. I got kids. I got to put them in school. my relationships, get a new house, I got kids, I got to put them in school. All those things come into play when you're talking about

going to another team. So I respect the decision and those are tough decisions to make, especially when they're presented to you. Not just Miami, nigga. Nigga told Andrew Wiggins, the number one pick,

get up out there, we need Kevin Love too yeah and he said Anthony Davis just don't play no more in the fourth quarter we gonna get you to LA

that's my nigga though this is a lot I'm glad you came around no it's not a secret I'm like this is a lot this is a lot you know what I say about that you do it one time pause I can I can act like I ain't see it I'm not disagreeing with you this is a lot you know what I say about that you do it one time

pause I can I can act like I didn't see it I'm not disagreeing with you this is what I say about that before I get to Kyle Kuzma I'm agreeance with you I think it's harder when you stay with one team

pause I think that I'm totally agreeance with you like even Kobe Bryant said he's like I'm not switching teams I'm not doing what them niggas would do.

I get that 100%. And I wouldn't do it either. But I understand. It was time. But he understands, Mark. No, because you know what? When I say that, what I do like is that players have way more leverage today than they did in the 80s.

I'm not saying jump over. It's up to you. I like that. It's up to you not to want to have it in you, Paws, to say, I want to stay here or go here or go there. Look, niggas signed Magic Johnson. Now I know that contract ain't sick. The 25 years, $25 million.

Come on, man. Mark Jackson voice, what are we doing? Magic pulled a mace. Magic said, yo sick i gotta go 25 million for 25 years contracts used to be crazy my nigga so when players get these opportunities to kind of maneuver how they want to maneuver i'm in support of that because to me, it used to be the slave ship. Stay in here for a hundred years for $3. Now they're making some money. Conor could go where they want to go.

It's up to the player and his heart to be like, I want to build something. I don't want to go anywhere. But at the same time too, like as much as people say LeBron James is not an assassin, he's not a killer. He's not Kobe. He's not Mike.

That's not in his DNA. He's not a killer. He's not Kobe. He's not Mike. That's not in his DNA. He's the all-time leading scorer. So for a nigga not even to be the assassin that Kobe and Michael Jordan was, he got all the, past Kareem, he has all the points, and he's not an assassin. Look, I'm totally agreeing.

I will not switch teams, but I understand. Back to Kyle Kuzma. Kyle Kuzma, not to want to go to Dallas. I'm saying he want to build something. That tells me he just got bitches in DC. Like,

yo, you know what I'm saying? That's what I get. You don't want to switch his real roster. Yeah, that's what I get. The real roster can't change. You ain't got time to start over.

I know you go out with Winnie and all that. This, this screams secret bitches to me. There's no reason you don't want to go somewhere where you have a chance to possibly win to somewhere where you don't even know when you're going to win. Rebuild?

It's a better city. Rebuild is not on Washington's roster right now. It's nowhere close. Like, it ain't like, you know, like when you be like, maybe like the Knicks,

you'll say, we're a piece away. Right. No, y'all niggas is, y'all niggas is a jigsaw puzzle away, nigga,

from getting that shit together over there, my nigga. This screams out, I got some secret shit going on and for me to leave right now to fuck a lot of shit up. Because as far as Marcus said, I get it, Marcus, moving families, X, Y, Z. You started in

LA. You went all the way over to DC. Look, that's part of the game when you're a professional athlete. If you're not a superstar and you know a superstar, don't buy your house. Rent it. Because you never know when you might be able to go. If you don't have a no trade clause contract in your deal, do not buy your house unless you are a superstar. You are bound to get traded in the middle of a game, like they did Harrison Mars. It happens. And Kyle Kuzma's not a superstar.

Good player, good height. I think them niggas is having a ball there in D.C., him and Jordan Poole, and it's all fun and games, and it's not equaling to wins to the point where he says, we trying to build something. Who you fooling? Who you fooling, bro?

I don't know who you fooling, bro. I think it's crazy that he didn't want to go to Dallas because that just screams to me, I don't want to win. Yeah. Him on Dallas would have been crazy. With Kyrie and Luke, I would have been crazy with him at the three. So you're saying that's something that you would actually like to see? If they was going to trade for him, yeah.

Okay. And to the LeBron point, I'm not even going to get on that. Let. Okay. And to the LeBron point, I'm not even going to get on that. Let's go. You can go. You might as well go. Me, honestly, I don't know.

I think when you're on a team of that many great players, you can get a lot of points because nobody can double team you. You actually made it where the whole game is easier for you. So all the stats that you guys mentioned is stats that he probably wouldn't get

if he was on a team where he had to earn it by himself. When he was on a team, I don't know the stats in front of me, but I would love to see when he was on Cleveland before how much he went to Miami, if he averaged more points

when he was by himself or when he had partners to pass it to Miami, if he averaged more points when he was by himself or when he had partners to pass it to. I think he averaged way more points when he didn't have to pass it to anybody. LeBron, we got to remember LeBron for seven or eight years, maybe nine years, I think, no, 2003, seven years played by himself in Cleveland where he beat the bad boys, well, not the bad boys Where he beat the bad boys.

Well, not the bad boys. He beat Detroit. Got over the hump. Busted a lot of niggas' ass. You know, when you're not winning, I'm totally agreeing with you. Don't get up and jump ship, but don't act like he didn't

take a team to the championship by yourself. Allen Iverson style. A hundred percent. Thank you. Yeah. No, thank you. Because the level of disrespect is coming from murder over

there i'm in shock i am absolutely in shock the man had a meltdown mark the man had a meltdown i i'm telling you what i saw i pay attention to character mark i'm a character guy remember i'm i'm a little old-fashioned you know so a lot of things don't fly with me. You know, I pick up things people don't pick up. When did he ever meltdown? When he quit. He never quit. When did he ever meltdown? I want to know exactly what you're talking about.

That game in Boston where he quit. He didn't quit. He left the locker room, left the court, took his jersey off because niggas, and I'm not getting nobody personal business. If we was all on the same team, he didn't quit in the game. Them niggas, and I'm not getting nobody personal business. If we was all on the same team,

he didn't quit in the game. Them niggas lost. And everybody on his team knew some shit about his personal life and nobody told him shit. So I'm like, fuck y'all niggas too. If niggas is on the team, no sign about shit is off the court. And I'm the laughing stock.

And it involves my family. I don't fuck with y'all niggas. So I'm not disagreeing with you. No, I'm agreeing with you. But that's why I'm saying he quit. That's what I'm saying. That made him quit. Maybe when you say quit, like quit on the team.

Quit means you don't give your best effort. You're not giving your best effort. Okay. I thought you meant like quit. Like you told me that a professional is when, and you correct me if you didn't say this, but you said a professional is when you play basketball even when you don't want to.

Is that your definition? All right. So I'm just holding them to your definition. So I'm going to Google the game that you're talking about he quit on because I would like to see how much he had. I don't know. I'm going to see how much he had and what his points was because that would tell us if he quit on that game.

No, it's not the points he had. It's how he finished. It's not the points. I could have 50 points. No, if you have 50 points, you didn't quit. I have to totally agree and disagree with you. I totally disagree with you with that. I'm saying if you have 50 points in the first half

and then you get to the second half and we need you to get points and you act like you don't want the ball, that's quitting to me. I don't see 50 points quitting. First, second, third, or fourth quarter. We just have to agree to disagree on that. But I'm going to see how much he had that game.

We don't got to do it now, Steph. I just want to know. Okay. Well, also on the topic of Dallas, because we were talking about Kyle Kuzma and the opportunity there, Dallas Mavs 20-year-old rookie Derek Lively still lives at home with his mother. That's something that he shared during a broadcast.

He said he gets home-cooked meals and someone to do his laundry. So my question to you all is if you guys were in his position, would you do the same thing? Mark first. Great question. Timely question too.

My first year, I won rookie of the year. I believe I'm the first professional athlete to win rookie of the year staying in the same bed, in the same bedroom with my three other brothers. So four of us in one room in Queens, New York, going from there to the games and headed back right after the game. See my black and gold BMW parked outside my house. I lived there my first year as a rookie, home-cooked meals with my mom and dad and my family.

So I got no problem with it at all. Yeah. I think it's super dope that he's living with his mom, knowing all the details behind the scene. You know, he had a dad that overdosed when he was young, and his mom is still battling with lymphomas. So it's a perfect match for where he is right now. Man, my blessings and prayers go out to him.

I didn't know that. Look, as long as you're safe, man. You know, where's he from? That's another thing. That matters. You know, if you're going to get pressed every day in your neighborhood, it's like you're up in your home or something, bro. Come on, you play for the Knicks.

Mark, you didn't go through that when you was at home? Oh, yeah, I knew how to handle it, though. I'm from New York. Yeah, see, that's what I'm saying. Yo, Mark, let me get some tickets. Yo, Mark, come on, man. Mark, you changed. Yo, Mark, yo, my nigga. Yeah, you know that.

Last night, you only had 10. How you going to let niggas get that on you? That shit ain't, yo, that's a big, that was tough for you. Go back to Queens and be a point guard for the Knicks and live in New York. Listen,

I ain't gonna lie. I had to go, listen, I hung out in Harlem every single day. Nah, I'm not gonna say every day. I got a record deal.

But I had to, I couldn't spend a night there, yo. Soon as I got three dollars. I remember we out of the crib in Connecticut. Me, you, Blood,3. I remember we out of Caribbean, Connecticut. Yeah. Me, you, blood,

and dick. Yo, listen, man. During the sleep there, it's annoying, because you know what I notice now that I'm older? Is that when you live in the inner city,

it's no big deal for people to come knock on your door like, yo, go get the door. Now you'll be like, yo, who the fuck get the door? No niggas just say knock on the door. Who the fuck is that? When you live in the city, anybody can knock on your door and just go see who it is.

See who it is. Now somebody knocking on my door, I'm like, who the fuck came over here uninvited and didn't tell me that they was on the way. So knowing what Mace just said, more power to him. Prayers up for his mom and his whole situation, but also saves money.

Also sees your outlook with the team and where your money's coming from in the near future while you're saving some money. I agree. Mark, just a quick question. When did you actually decide to move out? Second year I moved out. Enough was enough. Understood. Okay. And then before we go to break, we're going to talk about Victor Wambinyama real quick. He had a great night versus the Raptors and he's the first rookie with a 10 block triple

double since Spurs number one pick David Robinson in 1990. He had 27 points, 14 rebounds, 10 blocks, 5 assists. How do you guys feel about Victor's future? He's special. He is absolutely special. And I see the debate of him, a Chet Holmgren winning rookie of the year. Right now, he's the lead in the clubhouse to win rookie of the year. His impact on both sides of the floor, his impact as a defender,

as a rim protector, can shoot from the three-point line, can post up, can handle the basketball. He has no weaknesses on the basketball court. And the upside is tremendous because he's only going to get stronger physically and gain more and more confidence. I think he's an incredible generational talent. Yeah, I agree with you, Mark, on this. He's the first rookie to have 150 blocks with 28 games still to play. He got 150 assists and 50 steals,

and he's the first rookie to do that in the season since Tim Duncan, 1997, 98. I got differences of opinion with him. The numbers is good. And sometimes when I watch him, he does amazing shit, but I don't see it consistently. And not saying number-wise, just looking at his body language.

Like, it's playing the bucks he threw it behind the back on Damian Lillard and I forget who jumped with him and then he dunked on the nigga I think it was Lopez if it goes I'm like yo if you do this every game you're a monster and I'm not saying he doesn't yeah but

the games that I watch it's just sometime to me takes nights off. But when you look at his numbers, they're outstanding. If you ask me, I'm definitely putting Chet ahead of him right now for Rookie of the Year

because where Chet is helping his team at right now being second in the Western Conference. In the Western Conference. No, Spurs not even in the playoffs. And I'm not saying that the Spurs have anybody near Shea Gilgis. But at the same time, we have to put into consideration what Chet brings to the table as well. So I think that they're both neck and neck.

I wouldn't be mad at anybody for picking one B for rookie of the year, but I got to go to a guy who's contributing to a team that's guaranteed to make the playoffs. In a big way. I agree with Kellen. Yeah, that's actually a really good point when you put it that way,

because I think a lot of people are just looking at numbers, but it's like he's helping his team elevate and stay at the top, which I know the Spurs have a lot of rebuilding to do, but like he's obviously a good point when you put it that way because I think a lot of people are just looking at numbers but it's like he's helping his team elevate and stay at the top which I know the Spurs have a lot of rebuilding to do but like he's obviously a good asset to the team it's a good point I think a lot of people will disagree because they're just looking at Wemby being that forefront but Chet is obviously making a major contribution okay y'all we're gonna go to break and when we return we will discuss Spencer Dinwiddie's odd agreement with the lakers don't go anywhere pink horsepower she called this thing about toxic what's happening baby baby what's

that why you walking like that that's how that's how i walk and then like you come on breathing on me like that i fucking breathe to live like, you used to be dark skinned and now you act like hella light skinned. You fucking blind? I'm dark skinned. What the fuck? And then like, look at your beard. The fuck is wrong with my beard?

Your beard looks stupid. What the fuck are you talking about? No, I don't even like it. The way you breathe in, all of that. Has this ever happened to you? Your girl seems to be mad, angry, upset. She's frustrated. There's only one way to handle that. Pink Horse Power. But your breath! But your breath is really refreshing.

No, no, no, no. I'm just trying to give you a massage. Plus, have I told you how good your beard looks lately? It looks so good. No. PHP. It works every time. Wait, where are you going?

php it works every time wait where you going welcome back now let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day tonight the spurs will play dallas two teams we talked about earlier underdog fantasy has luca at 31 and a half points do you have him higher or lower mace higher? Higher. He goes crazy on Wemby. It's like he wants to prove he's the biggest foreign of them all. Oh, that was crazy. Yeah, that was crazy. And Justice and all that was wild. And Justice was wild.

I'm going to go higher. Okay. Kyrie is at five and a half assists. Do you have him higher or lower, Cam? Higher. Higher. Okay. And Wemby is at 10 rebounds.

Do you have him higher or lower, Mace? Higher. I'm going higher. I'm going lower. Okay. Download the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too. We are joined back with our analyst, Mark Jackson. Code Cam.

Yeah, Code Cam. Okay. So I just pulled it up, Mason. Yeah. Game seven, May 18th, the game LeBron James quit on.

They lost 97 to 92. Mm-hmm. LeBron James has 45 points, five assists, and six rebounds.

I knew you was going to do that, Cam. Dude, yo. That's why I said, did y'all hear me say if a nigga had 50, right? I was already prepared for this, Cam. I'm already in the future, Cam. I'm not saying anything. I'm just saying this. I'm looking at a game quick.

Mark, did you hear me say 50? Mark is not on your side. I know. He doesn't have to be on my side. But did you hear me say 50 for debating purposes? Did I say 50 or did I not? All right, so I'm being consistent, Mark. I'm being consistent.

45, 5, and 6? And you lost by 5 points. Come on, man. That was the 5 you needed. Give me dudes that'll quit on me with those numbers. Mark, I'd rather 7 points with a championship, but that's why i'm from title town

because i think different i don't care about the 40 and the loss i want whatever you get winning mark you was the guy that told me this you said people want to win on their own terms i'm taking all of these nuggets in pause so you understand i'm paying, Mark. That's the purest mindset. Don't let killer corrupt you. Don't let killer corrupt you. I like that. It ain't corrupt. I'm just reading what happened. He lost by five points.

This man, 45, five and six in the game, seven. 23 years old with no help. Like, like he gave his all to me, Paul. He did. I just wanted to me, poor son. He did. I just wanted, I'm sorry. Yeah, you agree with him,

right? I'm saying the five that he needed would have made it 50. That's what I'm saying. But according to you, 50 didn't matter anyway. Yeah,

it doesn't if you lose. I'm in agreement with you, killer. You know, I'm going to agree to disagree. No, this is what makes it, we don't have to agree. I'm in agreement with you, killer. You know, I'm going to agree to disagree. No,

this is what makes it, we don't have to agree. I prefer not to agree with you. All right, well, keep it how you prefer it then because I disagree. Absolutely.

45-5-6 is crazy. Game seven, lost by a foul to Ray Allen Rondo, Kevin Garnett, and Paul Pierce. And that's where he got the idea. And 23 going against three or four all the famous.

And 23 years old. Mark, and that's where he got the idea. I need to bust a sucker move. And you know what? And that's when he said, well, that's the sucker shit niggas doing because Ray Allen was over there in Seattle. Kevin Garnett was in Minnesota. Rondo was brand new.

So niggas said, oh, niggas is doing trios. Bet. That's what they doing now. Yeah, I get you, though. I get you. Yeah, Mark, that's why I didn't rap, Mark. Niggas is painting their nails now. Niggas is getting their eyelashes done.

So I have to decide if I want to paint my nails like everybody else or I stage left on this one. Which one we do? First of all, niggas was doing that before them niggas. Gary Payton, Karl Malone, them niggas all tried to go to the Lakers one year. Yeah, they did. And they didn't win. Yeah, they did.

Niggas tried that before Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen did that. It just ain't work out in they favor. Yeah, you're right. So that's did that. It just ain't work out in their favor. Yeah, you're right. So that's just that. But I take a quitter with these numbers like Mark said. I didn't even mean to stay here this long. I just want to read the stats. You know what this tells me, Mark?

If it get tough enough, y'all going to paint Charnette. That's all this tells me. if it get tough enough y'all gonna paint y'all nails that's all this tells me but I'm gonna move on who's y'all you and Mark you know I'm the last nigga that's gonna do nothing to follow anybody anything do I'm the nigga that says fuck everything and just leave and don't

care about whatever happens you too I'm just saying we not far behind we not far leave and don't care about whatever happens. You too, I'm just saying. We're not far behind. We're not far behind on that. I'm not doing none of that. What do Nails got to do with this? No, you said he peeped

the sucker move pause that they were doing and he created his own sucker move. So you're saying that LeBron would paint his nails. That's what you're saying. I don't know about me and Mark. And I wouldn't say that about LeBron either, but that's basically

what you're saying. Yeah, basically saying if it becomes popular enough, you know, most people would do what they do. Moving along, Spencer Dinwiddie is going to get

a massive $1 bonus in his contract if the Lakers win the NBA championship this year. So how do you feel about his special little check that he'll receive? What was your initial reaction hearing that? Mark first. Initially, I was stunned and thought it was hilarious. But then I heard him explain it about his relationship with his agent. and thought it was hilarious. But then I heard him explain it about his relationship with his agent.

And he did it as a tip of the hat to his relationship with his agent to keep that in his contract moving forward. So I think it's a good thing. But Spencer Dinwiddie actually played high school basketball with my son in L.A. Great team with about four pros on there. So got a lot of respect for him.

And I think it's a great pickup for the Lakers. Explain it to us, Mark, the deal. What's this tip of the hat, pause or straw in the hat, whatever you were saying about this $1? I guess for negotiation. I guess for the way I can explain his relationship with his agent and the fight

that they had trying to make deals and create opportunities and get as much money as possible. Then at the end of the negotiation, at some point, he put in the $1 as a tribute, as a salute to his agent grinding for him from day one. It also says, so like when he was with the Wizards, the bonus was added as a joke since the expectations around the Wizards were kind of low. So they just kept that in there moving forward.

So it is something between him and his agent. But I just want to know you guys' initial reaction when you heard that because that's the headline. Yeah, I would say if winning a championship is that undoable, then raise them out. If you think we can't do it, that gives somebody something to shoot for. I don't really got nothing to say about this.

I just, I kind of like doing what he on the Lakers, though. I'm going to say that. The LeBron trade for him? Just action. That's what I'm trying to say, Killer. This is exactly what I'm trying to say. So Rob Palenka had nothing to do with it. I'm saying he's pulling all the strings.

And I don't have a problem, like you said, with athletes having that ability to bust moves. I just don't like that when the move doesn't go right, he doesn't take the ownership that I put us in this crazy position. When it says call. Pause. Yeah, that says call. Pause. Yeah, that was nuts. With that, we're going to move along to the next one.

So Draymond Green and Charles Barkley are teaming up for an alternate broadcast hosted by Taylor Brooks and Jamal Crawford for the All-Star Game. Question is, would you guys watch it? Say that again? So, Draymond Green and Charles Barkley are doing alternate broadcasts for the All-Star Game hosted by Jamal Crawford

and Taylor Rooks. I don't get, I'm not following. Who's where? Sort of like the Manning cast. Yeah. They're going to have their own show.

Yo, we're going to have our own show, All-Star. We're going to be out there. Yo, Mark, you coming? Pause. As of right now, I'm not coming out there. Come on, Mark, man.

We Saturday, we live. I forget the venue. I'm going to announce everything tomorrow on the show where we're going to be at. All-Star weekend. We would love to have our NBA analysts

at All-Star weekend with us. It love to have our NBA analysts at All-Star Weekend with us. It would just be, you see who going? You see the shit we got to deal with? I don't even know what Stan said, neither. I don't like Mason, you answer that shit. I don't really care. We the stars, nigga, let's pull up. New York, let's pull

up. What we waiting on? What we need to do, Mark? What we need to do to get you on the broadcast Saturday? Yeah, Mark used to play in Indiana. Mark know he need to be in Indiana. What's wrong with Mark? I don't know, man. Mark is going crazy.

He done lost his mind. Come on, Mark. The purist says I lost my mind. Yeah. He's not showing up to the All-Star game. Yeah, man. This ain't the Mark I know, man. The Mark that went like this to Pat.

Yeah, you went to a championship with Indianapolis too, man. Did you go to a championship with Indianapolis? Yeah, Rick Smith, man. Yeah, man. He won that first championship against us. Yeah, listen, man. This is your second home almost. Reggie Miller, listen.

That's a lot of history. Yeah, that's when Mark had the ball head. Pause. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. Three times. What you trying to say? Them days is over? You don't want to go back?

Well, tomorrow I'm going to have some information because right now it's looking like me, Stad and Mace will be in Indianapolis. I'll let you know tomorrow 100% though for our fans that's looking for us. Maybe we'll talk to Mark and see what it's going to take to get him out there.

Super dope. We'll definitely talk. I'm going to be watching you guys no matter what, whether I'm there or not. This is what I'm going to be tuning in to. I appreciate it. Okay. So we talked about Kanye last episode a little bit and he's making headlines again,

but this time for a response Shaq had for him for avoiding him at the Superbowl. So yay had posted something on his Instagram, something about the founder of American apparel, basically, you know, reaching out to him shack had responded excuse my language y'all who cares stop bitching and snitching i know you saw me at the super bowl i was waiting for you to say something smart man up nobody want to see you crying man up little boy so that's what he said and then he has since

deleted the comment what is you guys's initial reaction to shag about a lot of these what is american peril and shack is he on american apparel no like he basically just he posted something about kanye posted something about an interaction with the owner of american apparel dove sharni and basically was just talking about some stuff that had went through between them. Shaq responded, who cares? Stop bitching and snitching.

Basically, calling him out for avoiding him at the Super Bowl. Why? This is where I'm confused. Why is Kanye avoiding Shaq? That's the question. That is the question. Yeah, so that's why I'm confused.

Like, American Apparel, I don't know what that did. What is Kanye running from Shaq about? This is what like american apparel i don't know what that did what is what is kanye running from shack about this is what i'm saying i don't know you just said we can collaborate because i don't know what yeah i thought you had the information about yeah well that is that's the that is the information that response from shack is going viral because he's just mad that kanye avoided him at the Superbowl. And that's what's there. I just put the context of American Apparel because that's what Kanye had posted on his Instagram. So it had nothing to do with Shaq. That's what Kanye posted. And then Shaq came back,

double back and said that. I don't know. I don't know what they beef is about. So I don't know what to say about it. Like they may be beefing about whatever, but I can't comment. I know one thing though, like Shaq, you got to realize niggas ain't trying to fight you. Yo, you suck at one. Why would he not be avoiding you?

Nah, niggas is avoiding you. This is not Bruce Lee with Kareem at dude, your boss, Shaq. Shaq, trust me, you're not the only one. I mean, pardon me. If you tell niggas you got problems with them,

I'm pretty sure a lot of people would be avoiding you. And listen, they're going to see you before you see them. They're like, you could be seen from a mellow. That's Shaq. I'm going the other way. I don't got time for that shit. So Shaq, you can going the other way. I don't got time for that shit. So Shaq, you can't even knock

Kanye for running. The security can't even do nothing if Shaq run down. Yeah, listen. Shaq like, yo, mind your business. Listen, let me tell you something, man. Yeah, exactly.

Give me an example, right? And I'm not comparing these two whatsoever, but Shaq is 7'1". And I know Shaq's a little older, but Shaq's still be doing little karate moves, playing games

and all type of shit. Oh, full schnicker. Yeah, and all these commercials and everything. So Shaq hit you with a dead arm, man. It'll hurt. So not even comparing this to Shaq.

You know, Shannon Sharp, I don't know if you guys seen that. Shannon Sharp and Mike Epps was beefing for like a day or two. And Shannon Sharp said, I'm going to see you in Indianapolis, nigga. I'm going to see you in Indianapolis, all the shit you talking. I'll be at All-Star Weekend. I'll see you there.

And Mike Epps said, that's my hotel. This is verbatim what Mike Epps said. He said, you know, a bunch of people made jokes about you. And yeah, I'll be at All-star and I will see you. But I don't do no fighting shit and I do blank, blank, blank, blank, blank. Blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank. So if you want to run down on me, it's fine. I have no problem with you, but there ain't going to be a bunch of fighting

because Shannon Sharp is Matt Diesel. You know, Mike Epps is like, I'm going to be at that crib with niggas. You think you're going to run down and fuck me up? Cool. Since then, they both put out statements saying that they're going to talk like men and be cool, so on and so forth. It looks like it's going to just be a talk between

two grown men. It's not going to escalate to any violence. But Mike Epps said that to Shannon Sharp. If you think I'm going to be fighting you Yeah that's a smart decision Niggas is too grown to be wrestling Y'all niggas doing all this curling Listen

Listen Go ahead if you want Go ahead If you want I see you doing your dips and all that Go ahead I know you doing your dips and all that. Go ahead. I know you on set number eight. Go ahead,

nigga. My point is, nigga, he on. He did 84 pull-ups. Nigga, go ahead if you want. Go ahead if you want. Go ahead if you want. I dare you.

It's that time. It's that time. You know. You're right though. Pause. Go ahead, Mark. I'm sorry. What you want to say?

No, no, no. My point is whether it's Shaq and Kanye or Mike Epps and Shannon, we have to do better. I don't mean to be all preachy, but at the end of the day, we're all winning from where we came from. I got no beef with nobody.

I should be able to go to Indianapolis, enjoy the All-Star game, celebrate the game, celebrate the history, celebrate where I am in life. I'm no longer where I once was. We got to get to a point where we got to do better as a people. Yeah, and you can't do things that you don't want to be known for.

You need to add that to your statement. If you do sugary stuff, a person observing you did something sugary is not is not judging you it's just an observation okay well on that note Mark thank you for being here thanks for having me again

thank you Mark we appreciate you likewise okay that's all the time we have for today. Thanks for watching. And as always,

it is what it is.