IT IS WHAT IT IS - KILLA GIVES MA$E HIS FLOWERS & THE BATTLE BETWEEN COLLEGES & NIL DEALS

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

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Hello y'all, uh I was selling crack on a private jet up in a hell and back But no confusion, this a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Yeah, Murda here, he countin' money He said, can't man the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga

Black fences and white figures Now I'm out here and I'm lookin' for more chandeliers and light fixtures Nah, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is. This episode is sponsored by Underdog. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states, including California, Texas, and York, just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog app.

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I'm good man. Nice glasses man. Yeah these are lover boys but not the love they talking about out there. So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. You see they indicted the mayor.

Yeah. It's getting crazy man. You know what's crazy? This is where everything I love. Last month they called me and see if I wanted the key to the city. I said, I don't want to be involved with nothing. I said, they offered me that shit.

They said, Cam, you want the key to the city? I said, that ain't really up my alley right now. I'm cool with the key to the New York City, man. Yo, word to blood. That's word to everything I like. Yo, Cam, you interested in the key to the city? I said, what does that get you? Who the mayor had said that?

Mayor's office. They called me. Where does that get you? I don't want nothing? Mayor's office. They call me, where does that get you? I don't want nothing to do with keys to the city the niggas giving them out, the niggas who had previously had them. I don't got nothing to do with the key to the city. I don't got nothing to do with that. I actually gotta go to New York this weekend

for about 20 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just this. I'm gonna need this. I'm gonna need this. I'm gonna need this. I'm gonna need this.

I'm gonna need this. I'm gonna need this. I'm gonna need this. I'm gonna need this. I'm gonna need this. I'm gonna need this. I'm gonna need this. I'm gonna need this. Mo is good, Mo. Life is good, everything's good. How y'all doing out there?

Mo, what's up? I'm back, what's up? What's up? Last week, my niggas, you know, my man DL, what's up, it's quiet? It's quiet. It's quiet, what's up with you? Oh, we're about to go on a run right now.

So it's gonna be a whole lot of Ohio State talking. Listen, y'all kick me out the car. Y'all kick me out the car. And listen, I've been kick me out the car. Y'all kick me out the car. And listen, I've been waiting for this episode today. I've been waiting for today's episode. I don't have no footage today for y'all. But you know, don't act like I ain't still connected

in Columbus. You know I'm connected. Now from what I'm hearing, now from what I'm hearing from my niggas on the street, cause they still do a little business around the arena, it's Ohio State. They got a little business around there. Shout out to my nigga Free, shout out to my nigga Kidda.

I ain't gonna name nobody else, but shout out to my niggas out there. From what I'm hearing, and I don't know this, but Mase was supposed to come in and show up on y'all. What happened? Murder? What is that? I told you. Greasy Harlem niggas. Greasy Harlem. Oh yes. He is true. Okay. Okay. Because from when I was here and everybody was waiting for murder pull up. So I was like, oh, this is what they doing niggas. Call me like, okay, okay. Cause from when I was here, everybody was waiting for Murda pulled up. So I was like, oh, this is what they doing? Niggas call me like, yo, Murda pulled nothing up.

And I'm like, damn, I can't even get the collar out of there. I'm gonna get, I gotta figure some shit out. They said Mace never pulled up. I say, oh yeah, I tried to tell Mo. Don't think, don't go against the buck. I'm still in tune with what's going on. Greasy nigga from Harlem. I'm talking about 133rd Street.

Don't try to... He's on my 133rd and Lennox. Don't let the flow of this shit fool you. Don't let the niggas from my 133rd between Lennox and 7th Avenue, be careful. So y'all wanna tell me what happened? Y'all wanna talk to me about it? I shot my nigga free, shot the kid up.

Thank y'all for the info. Do y'all wanna tell me what happened? Yeah. Yes, sir. Do your job, sir. I said it loud and clear. Yo, listen, baby, bring me back home. I got you, man. I've been waiting for today's episode. This is my favorite episode of the week. I've been waiting for you.

Violence was loud. Yeah. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie.

I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I've been waiting for today's episode. This is my favorite episode of the week. I've been waiting for you.

Silence was loud. What did you say? 133rd? 133rd between Lennox and 7th. I forget his building number but I can walk with it. Probably 133rd or something like that. 127, 133rd. Where's your building number?

134, West 133. Yeah, oh, 134, yeah. Yeah, so, my building was 101. I thought you was on the right, on the outside of the street. Yeah, that's where you from no more. That's the most. We just, we just.

He was a watch out. I'll let you know. He was a lookout out, he was a look out when he was nine. ALL LAUGHING ALL LAUGHING I don't know, man. Okay, let's just get started. So, Michael Irvin can now rest at night because the Cowboys beat the Giants 22-15.

What did you guys think overall of this game? Maurice? What did you guys think overall of this game? Maurice. Well, Dallas and they should be grateful that they have kickers man because that was seemed like that was the only thing working today. It was a few things that I've seen with Dallas. One grateful that they have kickers and I'm happy that CD Lamb got going after his apology earlier this week and I seen Mike praising him earlier on the show yesterday and so I was happy to see he was going.

But I was also worried about all of the defenders that they had going down. I know they had a defense and they had Trevon, not Trevon Diggs, Stephon Diggs at the end of the third quarter and then they had Michael Parsons get carted off. So I don't know what it's going to look like for moving forward, but be thankful that both teams had kickers because that seemed like that was the only thing working. And New York was, you know, New York was in it, you know, but they had a quarterback that they've paid a lot of money to who couldn't deliver. And so, shouts out to Dallas.

Oh, man. I think, I think, um, Doug had a pretty cool game. I mean, he did pretty decent. I even think Jones did pretty well. But when you got, I mean, this kind of accuracy from the kickers, it just seemed like they was just going all out points from there. It's not really much to talk about, I mean, from my take.

Actually, watch this whole game. I fell asleep in the middle of the third quarter because shit was wild boring. To be totally honest with you. But look, you couldn't ask for more. He caught fire in the fourth quarter. He only missed five passes, 22 for 27, 221 yards. But to be totally honest with you,

I was really impressed, you know, and I was, you know, people was like, here last week, they was like, yo, what you doing? You were dissing there, you Jones now, calm down. So I tell y'all niggas, relax, it's week to week. And now we gotta hear Michael Irving next week, but we'll deal with that when he gets back.

It was two plays, and it's a few things. I don't like how offensive coordinators or head coaches or whoever's doing the play calling this season, when teams are behind the close games, not being aggressive, like you're down, and I'm just using the scenario, not necessarily this game. You're down five points, and it's a second and six, and you throw a three yard pass.

And now you're at third and three, and if you don't get the first down, the game could possibly be on the line. I have a problem with you not being aggressive. You know who's aggressive? The Kansas City Chiefs. You know, it hasn't been working out for the Bengals. They're aggressive.

The other day, the Washington commanders were aggressive. The Giants were not aggressive. Now to Daniel Jones' credit, they're on the drive, they're down five points. He made some key throws that could have got the first down, but the receivers actually dropped the pass, twice. Two times they were on the last drive of the game before the Cowboys, or their last drive of the game

before the Cowboys got it back. And that's not a fact, because they actually got it back and they threw it in, et cetera. They're second to last drive of the game, less than three minutes left. He dropped two dimes and both receivers dropped them and gave the Cowboys the ball back. Cowboys kicker, Mr. Philgo,

so they actually had another chance. The problem is they didn't have any timeouts and they had to just throw a Hail Mary or some bombs. They tried to get aggressive when it was too late. Besides that, the Cowboys should have won this game. Enough of shocking how bad they look was terrible. And like you said, Mo, I seen, um, Diggs go to the locker room, dehydrated,

Mike Appalsers is hurt, few injuries, so we'll see how long these injuries sustain and what they look like moving forward. But they didn't not look dominant this game whatsoever. The Cowboys I'm talking about. No. Okay. Derek Rose has officially retired from the NBA after 16 years.

Rose sent out bouquets of 16 flowers to those who are most formative to him throughout his career. It was reported the list included Phil Jackson, his friends, and former trainers. Now that he is retired, do you guys believe he is a Hall of Famer, Maurice? Ooh, that's a good question.

I didn't think he was going to ask that one. I don't think he's a Hall of Famer, but he's one of my favorite people, or one of my favorite players. And I remember first seeing him, I didn't know him in high school, but I remember seeing him in college when he was playing with the University of Memphis.

And I just remember just how crazy explosive he was, pause. Just Duncan, just the energy that he injected into that program and the run that he put them on in college. And then I remember when he got to the NBA, to me, when I first seen him, it looked like a more explosive and just, I don't want to say better than Irish, but it was just a more explosive version of somebody who was real quick, get off the dribble, and then he was raising up on people and dunking on them crazy. And so I remember when he got injured,

it made me think of like Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway. And I think that his career probably got shattered or altered early on just because of those injuries. But in regards to criteria for Hall of Fame, I don't think he meets it. But I think he's one of those players that I think everybody will go down saying, had he had not tore his ACR or messed up his knees, I think that he probably would be a Hall of Famer.

And I think he has respect as a player. So no knocks to him and nothing against him personally. But I just don't think that he probably has the stats or the championships or what you would need to get into the Hall of Fame. Yeah. I was thinking, thinking the same thing when it come to Derrick Rose, um, getting that early, early MVP meant that he was going to be super special and then when he started having the knee injuries, it was just really all downhill from there.

But it seemed like something that happens all the time with explosive guards, you know, they would tear their knee or something happened where they lose that explosiveness and they're used to playing so explosive that they don't really have the other pieces of his game. And I think Derrick Rose is such a celebrated guard that he'll be forever remembered, but I don't think he's a Hall of Fame. And I think Derrick Rose is such a celebrated guard that he'll be forever remembered,

but I don't think he's a Hall of Fame. I definitely don't think that. I wouldn't go there. I don't think you get to a Hall of Fame with scoring 16 points. I don't think you do. I just don't. Yeah, listen, injuries fucked Derrick Rose.

I love Derrick Rose and I'm really sad for people like him and Brandon Roy too. Two players, Brandon Roy, look, we can go, I'm just naming people a reason. We can go back to Anthony Hardaway, we can go to T-Mac. We go to a bunch of players that were gonna be that nigga and injuries took that away from him. Look, NBA most valuable player 2011,

three-time NBA All-Star, NBA first team 2011 as well. His career stats, they're not bad. I'm not mad at his career stats. He's averaged 17 points a game, 45% from the field, 31% from free-throw, from three-point range, an 83% free throw shooter. Injuries did it to him. And him not making him championship,

I think, doesn't get him in the Hall of Fame. Because after he left the Bulls, it seemed like he became a journeyman. Played with the Knicks. He played for... He's popping up with teams that you're like, where, Derrick Rose got them? He played for Memphis last year, you know what I'm saying? And I think-

The Pistons. Yeah, the Pistons. I had it up here. He played for a few different teams and I was like, damn niggas just got Derrick Rose all over the place. You know what I'm saying? New York, New York, pardon me, the Knicks, the Cleveland Cavaliers, Minnesota Timberwolves,

Detroit Pistons, the New York Knicks again, twice with the Knicks, the Cleveland Cavaliers, Minnesota Timberwolves, Detroit Pistons, the New York Knicks again, twice with the Knicks, then the Memphis Grizzlies. I just feel bad, because I have to agree, I don't think he's a Hall of Famer, but he was on the right path to be a Hall of Famer. Got it. And then-

Shout out to you, Derek Rose, man, I was a big, big fan. And even in the time, real quick, last thing I'll say, I remember after all them injuries, he scored 50 points probably the year before last when he was playing with Minnesota, or what is the 2019 season with Minnesota, and he was sitting there crying because he didn't think that he would get back to even scoring 30 or 40,

let alone having a 50 point game. And you could see how happy he was to have 50 points, But we can imagine how much that took away from him as well. So salute to Derrick Rose, all them niggas up there, my niggas in Chicago. We appreciate it and we loved you while you was here. And then I just want to give context to where this kind of debate came from. So basically, every MVP in NBA history

is in the Hall of Fame, except for the nine that played last season, being LeBron James, Katie, Steph Curry, Westbrook, James Harden, Yannis, Jokic, and Bede, and now Rose, who is retired. So according to you guys, it's just not gonna be enough, basically. You said every MVP?

Yeah, it says every MVP in NBA history is in the Hall of Fame except for the people that were just playing last season. I'm changing my pick then. He's gonna be in the Hall of Fame. You think because of the consistency that it's been? Yeah, they can't change it up on bros. And then what do you think? I'm gonna stay sturdy.

I'm gonna stay sturdy. I'm gonna stay sturdy. I'm gonna stay sturdy. I'm gonna stay sturdy. I'm gonna stay sturdy. I'll tell you, it sounded crazier when you start talking about all those teams you play for too.

I just don't see how it happens. Yeah, I mean, from 2016 to 2024, he only played for the Knicks two years in a row. Every year he was with a new team after 2016. From 2021 to 2023, he played those two years with the Knicks and then my opinion is, I'm not saying, like I said, I really feel bad, because I said, I really feel bad because I really don't be giving a fuck

when they come to Knickers and saying how I feel, but I like Dark Rose a lot. But a lot of people took that contract that he got with the Knicks as sympathy for him fucking with Tom Thibodeau in the past. That was his coach before he got to New York. So, Niggas like, Thibodeau gonna give this nigga 15 million a year. We don't know gonna give this nigga 15 million a year.

We don't know if he's worth 15 million a year. Three year deal, 15 million, 45 million per year. That sound like that's your man, man. So I don't know, I'm gonna stay sturdy. I mean, don't get me wrong, I hope he goes to a whole affair. I'm not wishing against him. It just turned into a journey, man, from such a super duper height.

That nigga was nice, bro. That nigga was nice. Definitely the biggest what if story. Okay, so Maurice, last episode, we discussed the UNLV quarterback Matt Sluka, who decided to register and not play for the rest of the season after unfulfilled NIL promises. So recently their running back Michael Allen

announced he will set out the rest of the season as well. UNLV is not looking great. Do you see this becoming a bigger issue for future students? And then what do you think about the situation as a whole sitting out for not getting their money? It's not a bigger issue. And I heard y'all talking about it earlier this week

with Mike when he was on and my opinion differs a little bit from going through it directly. There's just a generation gap and just a different understanding but they promised this guy money, excuse me, that they didn't end up giving him and I think if you take anybody in America who's promised anything from an agreement standpoint, and the person doesn't deliver on their word, then you have every right to walk away. But the NCAA have put themselves in this situation for all these years when they made all this money.

Everybody's mad at the kids for being empowered to make choices that benefit them. But the NCAA had no rules and no regulations and the power to do anything and put all of the infrastructure in place. And so they didn't do it. So you have circumstances like this and what you should have or what should be in place right now is contracts. And so they should have signed a contract with each other. It should have been legally binding and the school should have basically held up

on their end of the deal, but what happened was that they brought him here. They got him here and he was happy. He's playing, they went in games and he didn here, they got him here, and he was happy he's playing. They went in games, and he didn't want to give him the money that he was supposed to get. So he has every right to walk away. There's a lot of kids, he may be one of them that aren't going to the NFL. And so this may be their biggest payday that they can ever get in life. And so 100 grand for a kid who knows that he might go play arena football or this may be the biggest thing of his life,

he has every right to leverage himself to come back next year to try to get more money. So I don't see nothing wrong with it. Me, I would have did the same thing because this thing is a business. It's not college athletics where guys are just happy to put on a uniform and they run out there. This is a real big business

where you generate billions of dollars. Yeah, so Mo, I heard you say that, you know, he was promised this money, right? I also heard you say things like he was playing already without the promise being fulfilled. At what point do you think that he owes it to the rest of his teammates to play the sport of football? Well, there's two elements of it, right? You want to go out there and do right by your teammates because y'all put in the work, y'all prepare, y'all have done all those things, right? But then there's a business element, right? This isn't Little League football.

This isn't high school football. This isn't middle school football. When you walk inside of that stadium and you see jerseys with your name on it, you see t-shirts with your name on it, you see people coming to the games for you. After you're done with press conferences, you go out, you sign autographs, right? You start to think to yourself, I've helped to generate all this attention, all this money and all this revenue. I just want you all to hold up on your end of the bargain. So the burden shouldn't be on the kid to make the morally correct decision. The burden should be on the institution.

You know what I'm saying? To say, hey, instead of asking the kid, do you owe it to your team? Somebody should be asking the administration, do y'all owe it to the players to do right by them when y'all made these promises to them that y'all haven't fulfilled? And so people when they're recruiting you, they'll say whatever to get you into whatever scenario or situation. He probably went out there and start playing thinking that he was going to get his money at some point. They could have said, okay, man,

we ain't got the 100 right now. We are 10 here, 15 here, seven here. They could have paid him as they go, but there's no kid, believe you me, there's no kid who's just gonna walk away after he's having success and just walk off the field if he wasn't promised that and think that, hey man, I could injure myself and not get any of this stuff.

And I might not go to NFL and this dude may be working at, you know, enterprise car rental and that's not, you know, not the people who work in enterprise car rental, but he's thinking like, you know, I want to get my payday. Yeah. I'm hearing what you're saying. And I'm thinking about exactly what we're talking about here, because when you look at this player, you know, and him playing at UNLV, it's a rule in Vegas that the kids,

something about the kids are not supposed to get paid or something. Do you know how that rule goes, Larry? Yeah, so in Vegas has a law that says they can't get paid, but from the school, from the university, NIL money should have been put aside for him, but they didn't have anything in play from him. So my sources, let me use that word, my sources.

My sources. Oh, Larry. Larry, I ask you one question, you gonna turn this into a soliloquy. Go ahead, Larry. No, no, no, but one of the- Go ahead, go ahead. My source told me that the kid didn't have anything in place.

He was getting $3,000 a month. He came in and basically said, yo, I need that a hundred thousand, right? The assistant coach saw him he was gonna get. Nothing was in put in play, no contract. And coach Autumn said, don't clean your locker. I'll get out of here. Just that simple.

But this goes back to that, we can switch it up. This goes back to, remember that old Nick Saban mentality I was telling you about? A lot of these coaches come from that era where they resent playing these players. And this was probably case in point. And he called the kids bluff. And the kid was like, all right, man, I'm out of here.

You know what I mean? Because if I have enough film that I've showed that I can be productive through three games, you sitting here, you can go on a portal and somebody will pick you up because everybody needs good quarterbacks. And so, uh, this is what I was talking about. These coaches resent the fact that these kids can make money and this, the environment that you have that they created. Mo, I'm kind of confused because you're saying the guy wouldn't make the league,

but you're saying he's a good quarterback. Which one is it? Yeah. So, you know, in order to make the league, bro, you have to be like the premier of the premier. You see Daniel Jones, he got paid all that money, but he's still not a special talent. He's still under throwing the ball. And there's a lot of guys that their biggest payday may be in college. And there's a lot of guys who are dealing with that reality. Like I can get 100 grand here, I can get 200 grand here, I can get 600 grand here.

But I don't have what Shador has, I don't have what Archie Manning has, or whatever the Manning kid's name down in Texas, I don't have that, right? So I may be a journeyman in the NFL, I may get a trial. So these guys are trying to cash in. You have to remember this guy's a fifth year senior. So if he was even draft eligible, you would have heard about him two or three years ago. So this is his last year in college. And the reason that he's trying to preserve it is to get that payday.

That makes sense. He need his money to, That makes sense, he need his money then. Sorry, there's something about this right now. Sorry. They need to figure this shit the fuck out, how to get these kids they money. And it's so many different avenues I could go about when it comes to this particular topic, because one thing, you know,

we talked about what Mike Irvin is, if the deal ain't on paper, then it don't count. And that's kind of my philosophy too. And another thing with me, I don't count no money till it's in my pocket. Like when somebody says the deal's on a handshake, I said that deal's just as good as the paper is written on. So that's first and foremost.

But secondly, if you're, you know, everybody doesn't have a family who knows that. So you gotta think about when you're getting recruited, when these schools are coming to your house or telling you, you gonna be that nigga, you gonna be that nigga. A lot of kids not paying attention, they told that to 10 other quarterbacks.

They have to do that to get you there. And then when you get there, you're not promised what they told you, you're gonna get there. Then you like, you told me you gonna give me 100,000. When? I don't wanna tell me no shit like that. I don't know.

It wasn't, I should've told you that shit. Nah, nigga, I ain't bugging you, you told me you was gonna give me 100. Nigga said, when I said that. When did I say that? So I don't think he would have got up and left if they didn't say that. I really don't believe that.

Secondly, Mo, you made a great point just now. I never looked at that. We have to think about it. It's 30 NFL teams, if I'm not mistaken, right? Mo? 32. 32, pardon me, I'm sorry. 32 NFL teams.

So that means it's only 32 available quarterback ones, starting quarterbacks. So that means it's only 96 quarterback jobs available in the NFL when there's hundreds, or hundreds if not thousands of quarterbacks playing football. So the likelihood of you getting a job in the NFL is not likely. And like Mo just said, like I said,

that was a great point, Mo. If you could get more money in college, then you probably will after you leave college trying to do the sport that you love, I need all mine now, nigga. I need mine now because I don't know what my next step is. First of all, we wasn't ranked. I got us cooking.

Now we number 22. Yo, what are y'all gonna do? Is y'all gonna pay me? Nah, we ain't never say that. All right, I gotta go. I'm gonna forget, I'm a red shirt year, and I'm gonna come back next year and bust somebody's ass on a different school.

Pause. Secondly, from what I'm hearing, my personal opinion and what Larry told me, and you know, cause Larry's from Nevada, he's from actually from Las Vegas, is that the backup quarterback is just as good if not better. So I think that UNLV said, go on and get out of here.

We got somebody just as good as you. Cause if he was that important, they would be like, yo, hold on, 10 on the way. 10, we got 10. 10 coming. Right or wrong, P? Not 10, 10. We'll get you to 20 by Thanksgiving.

Yeah, yeah, just hold on. We working on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we working on it. It's take 10. We got 10 now by Thanksgiving, 20 coming. We gonna finish this shit up in January. Get on out of here shorty. This nigga's nasty.

You wanna leave nigga, go ahead. Go take you ahead my nigga. Did the backup quarterback write? Yeah, he said it's about time. Yeah the backup quarterback like it's about time. I got this. Get him out of here. Yeah get him out of here.

And UNLV was cooking last year quite as it kept. They've been the best betting team in the last 16 games in college football. So this ain't new for the Rebels. Rebels been balling out. It's just the first time since Randall Cunningham, I think I told you, they're three and oh. They started three and oh.

Well, the thing about it, Larry, is once you lose two games, you can't be ranked and all that and you're not gonna win a championship. So you're from Nevada, you're a homer, so they haven't been cooking. No, no, no, I'm saying the last year. I'm saying the last year and a half.

I'm saying the last year and a half. I'm not talking about it. They not ranked this first time they been ranked in the middle. Larry talking about they been cooking. But bro, they were horrible before that. They were horrible. On what degrees, Larry? On what degrees? Listen, on what degrees?

Listen, we know we ain't getting title talent at UNLV. We got some other titles in Las Vegas now. Cut it out. They got Cadillac as the coach. They should be turning around. Hey, listen, man, it's time to tell y'all got the aces, nigga, back to back champs going for the three-peat. Yeah, before we had the hockey championship.

Hockey team, too, before we had the hockey championship. Hockey team two, absolutely. Come on, man. Come on, man. Now your champion is the ladies, Larry. Come on with that. What? Yeah, this nigga Moe. Back to back, baby.

He's champs his ladies now. He's a guy. I got nine, I love the ladies. Yeah. And the hockey team. Come on now. The hockey team two. He got the best player with his ladies. And the hockey team. The hockey team too. The hockey team too.

You got the best player with his basketball player. Come on now. But yeah, you know, on a serious note, and I know we laughing, but, cause we write this, I'll be talking on some regular shit, but if the nigga ain't had a backup quarterback, niggas would have been like, let's figure it out. From what I'm hearing, the backup quarterback

is just as good and that better. They like, yo, Rocks red shirt, we wish you luck, package shit up, be out by nine p.m. tonight, go back home. And so we'll see what happens, but I'll tell you one thing, they play this weekend, Saturday. I'm really looking forward. I don't know if I'm gonna necessarily have time

to watch the game live, but I will record it and watch it later, because if they lose, it's gonna be bad business because y'all was three and oh, y'all got ranked to number 22, homeboy stepped off, and now y'all lose. This would not look good. So we'll look forward to next week talking about this.

I can't wait. Yeah, it's Haj Malik Williams. So yeah, like you said, if they lose, then they have a lot to worry about and change. Okay, so moving along, a group of former star football players at the University of Michigan has sued the NCAA demanding to be paid $50 million for the continued commercial use of their names, images and likeness. With this continued

lawsuits against universities, we've seen a lot of them. Do you guys think NIL is starting to have more complications or does the good outweigh the bad? Maurice. No, NIL isn't having more complications. This is just the residual effect of the NCAA not putting structure in place to get us here. But with these niggas suing these universities, these niggas don't even understand what they going up against. I think they all crazy. A root for them to win.

But after me, after when I sued the NFL and when I found out like what I was actually up against in comparison to the lawyer giving me advice on telling me who I was getting ready to fight, like it's like fucking throwing a rock at the ocean. You know what I mean? You don't realize that you're dealing with you know state officials governors judges and everybody else who supports this university And so I think these dudes are doing a lot of these dudes may be you know at the end of their careers They don't really got much going on They want some money Maybe not a Reggie Bush case, but most of these dudes really don't have shit going on and they think that they about to get a money

grab but man when you fight these fucking institutions of lawyers and all of these powerful politicians They don't you know knock that shit out because if you let one group of athletes win It opens the floodgates and they say where does it stop and so my advice to these guys man If you got my number you can hit me up on Instagram Twitter or whatever I'll tell you what really happened when I fought the NFL I actually went to a conference and the Supreme Court justice told me she said man got my number, you can hit me up on Instagram, Twitter, whatever. I tell you what really happened when I fought the NFL. I actually went to a conference and the Supreme Court justice told me, she said, man, you was fucking crazy for even thinking that you can win, uh, just because

you don't have the money, you don't have the legal team. We have 1600 lawyers, like how the fuck are you going to win? So that's my advice. Yeah. I would tell them abort this mission, man. Abort it right now, wherever you're at. Rethink what you're thinking right now, because not only is there a lawyer retainer for this that, that'll just keep the case postponed, postponed, postponed till you never really get the court because the, the, the, um, the people who's

who's trying to sue doesn't have enough money to keep going back to court and keep pushing it back. And then to think about the life after this lawsuit. I think when people sue people, they don't realize what's gonna happen after you sue this. So let's say they don't win the case, which they're probably not gonna win, but if they don't, let's just say they don't. After this, these corporations are still gonna have

their name listed for things that they wanna make sure that they're not a part of. And when you're big corporations, you got a lot of friends in a lot of different places that are not accounted for when people are suing. And who knows, five years from now, you're trying to go somewhere and the person's like, oh, I didn't get it.

And you don't know why. It was back because of that lawsuit. And not to put fear in them, but if you win, you could win. But it's too much of a risk at this point. Stop using niggas' shit. Like, yo, niggas, yo, you know how frustrating that is? You see that shit on TV, from what I'm understanding, I'm just going off with it.

Yo, stop using my shit. Mase, how you feel when you hear welcome back, come on for shit and you don't get paid for it? Yeah, you're right, you're right. When you hear one of your songs go on and you don't get paid for it. Everybody like, yo, you're on Dick's Sporting Goods, yo. Welcome back to Lil' Kidz.

Man, I don't care about them kids, man. I need my check, man. Should you abort the mission? Should you abort the mission about going to get your money? Right, killer. Yeah, stop using niggas' shit and not paying niggas' b. Like yo, cause you know why? When you use somebody else's shit, they come after you.

I don't know if I talked about this on the show. I'm pretty sure I did at one point in time. I had a mixtape come out called The Program. It's a picture I took off the internet of some kids in Harlem. It's actually shot on 143rd and Langston Avenue, probably in the 70s or 80s. They sued me for using the picture. Some nigga in Connecticut took the picture

of some niggas in Harlem, which is actually two blocks from the block I live from. I'm thinking I'm posting nostalgia. Him and Getty Images said, "'We feel you and all that, but you shouldn't have used it. I said this everywhere, there's pictures all over the internet. I go back to the internet to find it, it's gone.

It's only for when my mixtape is out, you can't find a picture nowhere else. I lost a case, I had to pay $125,000 because some nigga from Connecticut came to her 43rd, taking pictures of niggas in Harlem, steal our culture, and then I gotta pay for our culture two blocks away from my house. But I lost the case.

That's the point I'm trying to make. So when it's somebody else's shit, they'll come get you and be like, yo, you used my shit. But when you use some kid's shit who don't have the savvy or have the legal representation or don't know how to go about it, because what Mase did say is 100% right.

They'll stall you out. They'll stall you out as long as they can stall you out to the point where you may use all your financial resources. Then you may forget about it, because it took two, three years. They will push this as far back as they could, but that don't make it right to be like, yo, just forget about it.

And Mase is also right when he's saying that they'll bring it up later in life, like these niggas is a headache. These niggas wanna be suing niggas. It's my shit. Yeah, and they took your stuff. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So what Mace is saying is not wrong,

but we can't just take niggas shouldn't be like, push it back, push it back. Right now, right this very second, niggas owe me publishing from 2001 to 2012. They had me on hold for seven hours. Niggas, phone just sent in a hold for seven hours. Had my lawyer on hold. So now I gotta subpoena these niggas.

Now I gotta go to court. Niggas like, oh, nah, nah, nah, we ain't know you called. Now I'm in the process, now I'm renegotiating, getting everything right. Cause it's gonna be millions of dollars they gotta pay me. Cause y'all niggas, you know what I was doing between that time?

Niggas playing my publishing and it was all my publishing. See they, I ain't gonna get into a bunch of music shit. They thought that my first record label still owned my publisher. Once I got that deal, they didn't own my publisher no more. So niggas been having my publisher in the escrow for nine, 10 years. You know how much cake that is?

Nigga don't wanna give me that. I gotta fight every, I'm still fighting. They finally called back and they still be like, oh, what's up? It's gonna work out, but it's taking 12 years to get this money. If what happens, it's like, man, fuck it. Nah, nah, nigga, nah, give me mine.

Nah, nah, man, I need mines, bro. So I agree with Mace, what he's talking about, but that don't make it right to keep using people's name and likeness and not paying them. Thanks. Okay, and then real quick before we go to break, Maurice, so basically what about in the case of Reggie Bush? Like, he's trying to sue USC, Pac-12, and NCAA.

I know you were giving your thoughts about big corporations and businesses. Do you think that'll go well with him, or do you think that'll be a bad case? How do you view that situation? I don't know how it's gonna work out. Reggie Bush has more resources than that collection of guys for Michigan to do it. I'm pretty sure he has a great law firm, lawyers.

I'm pretty sure they set him down, but I'm talking about, I was in New Hampshire. Let me give you my story real quick. It didn't take two seconds. I was in New Hampshire. After 20 years, I sat down with the lawyers who were a part of the NFL, who basically stopped me from coming in, right? And the judge when we were there, she said, Maurice, do you even understand who you're up against?

And she told my lawyer to his face, why would you advise this guy to go against all of this, which he would never win? And when I think of Reggie Bush and I think about just political connection, you're talking about the NCAA, you're talking about USC, who you just partnered back up with and you talk about just these large institutions, I agree with Cam, even though it's not right, do you have the patience? Do you have the money? Do you have just the perseverance to try to even get through it all?

I don't know. You know what I'm saying? And so I don't know if he's going to win, but I just know the fight is like, it's exhausting, but it's exhausting. But I also say this to Mace's point. This is a serious point. Before I came back to Ohio state and got connected with Ohio state, the fact that there was like a disdain with the relationship, it was so many people who looked at Ohio state like a family that they didn't

even want to do business with me. They was like, you ain't cool with them. So I don't really want to do nothing with you. I don't know where Reggie Bush lives, but Reggie Bush, the money that he's fighting for just being back in good graces with USC in the avenues and the doors that may open up from being that I think that I thought that he should have just rolled that route in and work that angle should just like do business. You got millions already, people want to be next to you. It looks like a good redemption story. I would have probably chose that route, but I can't tell another man on how to pursue that business.

But I hope it works out for him. I know Reggie Bush. I hope it works out for him. I just was with Matt Liner last weekend. I hope it works out, but just me personally, I wouldn't have chose that route. I hope it works out, but just me personally, I wouldn't have chose that route. Yeah, this is really interesting, like you said, because USC is so connected with his legacy, right? It's almost, it's a weird thing when you have to go against your legacy to get what's rightfully yours. That's another troubling point because it's almost like you're destroying a part of you

while trying to get something that belongs to you. That makes it a real interesting pursuit, you know? Thanks. And what's the exact question, Set? Yeah, it's basically just saying with, you know, Reggie Bush basically doing his lawsuit against USC, PAC-12, and the NCAA. Do you guys see this going well for him,

or do you think it's kind of like an abort-missing situation? My thing is, personally, I feel no more what he's doing, but I don't think he's gonna win. I want him to win. But it's like same thing like May said the other day, and I was gonna make the point, but he said it before me. It's like, niggas who sell weed now, you can sell weed now, because it's legal. You can sell weed now because it's legal.

You can sell weed in 19, 891 or whatever. It was illegal. You know what I'm saying? So that's like right now, if niggas who've been convicted for weed be like, nah nigga, I gotta sue the whole government and everybody else because y'all niggas are selling weed. I was actually a visionary.

Y'all didn't see what the future was about to happen, digga, you know what I'm saying? I seen it, y'all ain't see it. Nah, give me mine, give me mine. So what they trying to do, a compensator be like, nah, we'll put you at the top of the list if you wanna get your weed license if you've been convicted for weed.

But what's the process for that? New York, you be like, yo, if you got $8 million, we'll put you at the top of the list. Niggas don't got a lot of niggas, they got eight million for the license nigga? Nah, nigga, that's a no-win situation. I hope Reggie Bush wins, but certain laws change, and when this was not legal, and I'm not saying he's wrong,

I'm just saying the fact. When it wasn't legal to take money from niggas, you was taking it. Because we talk about this, you're gonna open up a can of worms. What about the niggas who didn't take money? Should they be paid? Because they could have made money

and did things the right way? We can go around and listen, niggas. I think we talked about, it was last week or this week. You know what I mean, niggas, who could've made money but they didn't take money or didn't get caught? So I hope Reggie Bush wins, but at the end of the day, it don't look good because the law was the law at the time

and now the law has changed. And listen, this is one of them situations where, you know, I don't know if I rubbed off on Stat. If you could get away with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey man.

Ah. Ah. Look, look, get away with it. I always tell niggas I got to college with no high school diploma, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You can beat the system. Stat, that's your new moniker. Yeah, beat the system. That's your new moniker, Shaz. Beat the system. That was a perfect explanation. He didn't beat the system. Okay. We're going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss a quote from CJ Stroud. Don't go anywhere. She call this thing about toxic Four years and counting

Got you feeling like adoption Maybe I'm my own problem babe She tired of hearing I don't know My stubborn in me won't fall oh oh Killing with this thing called trust But she really thinking about Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. On Sunday, the Bills will play the Ravens.

Underdog has Josh Allen at 228 and a half passing yards. Do you have him higher or lower mace? Higher, of course he's gonna have more than that. Yeah, I'm gonna go higher too. This should be a goodie. I'm excited. It's probably my favorite game of the week coming up. Okay, Lamar Jackson's at 57 and a half rushing yards.

Do you have him higher or lower, Cam? Higher. Higher. Going higher, definitely. Okay, and Derrick Henry's at 77 and a half rushing and receiving yards. Do you have him higher or lower Mace? I'm going higher. Yeah, Derrick Henry's at 77 and a half, rushing and receiving yards. Do you have him higher or lower mace? I'm going higher.

Yeah, Derrick Henry broke out his shelter last game. What do you got, 154? It was crazy, whatever. Yes, it was wild. It was wild. Put up some numbers. But if you combine the rushing yards and receiving yards, 77, hell yeah, higher.

There you go. If you guys like these picks, remember you get two free picks for this week. So if you're not already on underdog, make sure to sign up now and you can make your picks too. We are joined back with our analyst, Maurice Claret. Okay, so CJ Stroud said that seeing James Harden's contract changed his mindset about his future.

He said, I remember I seen James Harden's contract, they broke it all down, thought they're paying this dude all this money to play a sport we grew up loving. From that moment on, my life changed. I stopped going to lunch, I stopped hanging out, I stopped going to parties, I stopped doing a lot of things, I started just grinding and working because I wanted to change my family dynamic,

and my last name, I wanted to mean something. So, hearing what CJ Stroud had to say about James Harden, have you guys ever had a moment that made you view your career differently? And then how do you feel about the way that he changed his lifestyle to make his last name mean something? Maurice, I'm gonna let you go first.

Yes, it's kind of twofold for me. The first piece I said just when I was younger, just playing football and seeing people, obviously play on TV, just dreaming and envisioning I could do it one day, that like motivated me. But once I ended up going to prison and getting out of prison, like a small moment that changed me was just like,

one day I remember there was a lady, she was trying to make me do community service like once I got out of prison. And I remember she used to try to make me do the most humiliating job. She would always wanna make me do a community service like once I got out of prison. And I remember she used to try to make me do the most humiliating job. She would always want to put me on the streets to pick up the trash and to have other people see me in this light. Or she would always say that, you know, somebody couldn't come pick me up and I had to ride

the bus and I had to wait at the bus stop with everybody else. And I remember saying to myself, like, I'd never want to do this shit again in my life. And I'd do anything to basically, you know, motivate myself to get the hell out of here because I never want to do this shit again in my life and I'd do anything to basically motivate myself to get the hell out of here because I never wanted to live like that. Those are my personal moments, but shout outs to CJ. I think CJ's a great role model and representation for a lot of young black quarterbacks and just the way he presents himself and moves throughout the league. I know a lot of black quarterbacks always get criticism about being dumb, unintelligent, and sort of like they're not thinkers. But I remember watching him on a podcast with Michael Parsons over the summer and articulating the game, speaking well and presenting himself well.

So shout out, shouts out to him. And I'm happy that they pushed this content out of the bottle. I guess, whatever, niggas should have been motivated before that. There's a lot of niggas getting some chicken before James Harden, but I understand where he's coming from. I really get it because it's like, I don't know what his relationship is with James Harden,

though. Is he cool with James Harden? Does he know him or he just happen to see him on TV and be like, nah, to break down that contract is crazy. You know what I'm saying? It gotta be crazy. But I'm gonna be honest with you, and this, I'm gonna be honest with you, listen. You got, growing up when I grew up, right?

You got drug dealers, you got athletes, you got rappers, you got all type of shit. You know, we always had them athletes in my neighborhood that were always right there but never, So we always had them athletes in my neighborhood that were always right there, but never, shout out to Sham Guard, he actually knew it. You know what I'm saying? Charles Jones, you know what I'm saying? Ain't no disrespect to them, talking about like,

you know, I always talk about outside Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, I don't know what superstars we had. So you got fucking- Steph. Steph Marbury, yeah. Steph Marbury too. Definitely Steph Marbury. But you look at the drug dealers and you like,

what's y'all playing? You know what I'm saying? Like you got a plan and y'all niggas don't react to play. Y'all wouldn't give us money to go to the studio. Y'all ain't get it. So you got, you know, you got Kumo D, you got Big L, you got fucking Dougie Fresh. But to be totally honest with you,

the one who made me see it was real, Dollar. I'm not gonna lie. When Mace, cause you got rappers, but when Mace turned into a superstar, you like, nah, the superstar. Nah, nah, not thestar, him and Cuda, them two niggas grinded it out and turned it to a Superstar. I'm like, cause you know, you might know a nigga who like, like let's say you know a nigga like Steph,

Steph Barber, he my man, but he ain't my man. Like Mase is my man, like, nah, not the Superstar. Like I remember Mase sold three million records in a month or something like that. I said, yo, my nigga, you got a Triple Platinum plaque where you said, man, that's the Square Garden doing the show with him. I said, yo, you went Triple Platinum?

The nigga said, yeah, it happened, man. You know, it was bound to happen. I ain't murder, all right. All right, yeah, it happened. You know, I was just, yo, get this shit, bro. You know it was gonna happen. Yo, stop, bro. But I'm being honest, when this nigga sold

millions and millions of records, I'm like, oh, this shit could really happen. Because you had niggas who was good. But even Jay-Z, and like, I'm not bringing Jay-Z, only reason I bring Jay-Z up is because Dame Dash is my man too. And he was partners with Jay-Z, but Jay-Z ain't do it before Mace.

You know what I'm saying? Mace was the first nigga that I actually knew that sold millions and millions of records and not only millions and millions of records. I'm talking about we would go to mall. I don't know, we's in St. Louis. I don't know where the fuck we was at. And we went to Kentucky Fried Chicken

and this girl could not take the order. She was just shaking and just dropped the chicken and just screamed this fella. I was like, ah, it's me! I said, what the fuck is going on? I said, yo, murder, this shit's state to state. I said, you know, I'm in New York. I said, yo, murder's like this.

Word to blood, this nigga said, Kim, you gotta calm down, because you can't look like you excited and all that. I said, all right, murder, stop acting like you knew this was gonna happen, my nigga. He was writing rhymes for some niggas one day, I think young Gavin, and I wrote some rhymes for some niggas, he's like, oh, it's the best thing ever, I'm like, why would they love us?

He's like, Kim, stop being loud, they gonna love it. They gonna listen to this one. All right, you know what? I'm gonna just do what I gotta do. I'll see you later. Cause you, you have brain. You pissing me off acting like you knew. This is totally, you pissing me, getting me mad actually.

Acting like you knew this was gonna happen. So that's kind of, I'm being totally honest. That's the person who made me realize that if you work hard and you do, and you perfect your craft, if you got something going on that it could really, really happen. Oh man. Let me see who really motivated me.

I think one time I saw LL one time, he was on two fifth and he just came through in like a BMW or something. He got out and he went in the Apollo Express and it's like he bought every sweater that was in the joint. I was just like, yo, niggas is getting a lot of money, man. And that was the thing that really let me know

that it could be done. What happened to the whole story time thing? Because we should bring that back. I don't know what makes me... I gotta get permission for story time. Like, I can say permission for story time. Yeah, we should. Niggas love that.

I gotta ask killers some stuff. Niggas love story time. I ain't no friend. Story time be fire. I'll tell you another story time when I was like Mace losing his damn mind to my nigga. We was on tour, not losing his mind, but we was on tour and this the last thing,

cause we should bring it back. And we was somewhere, we landed, and the nigga murdered, I'm a murder man, I forget what two door Benz it was, maybe a 450 black joint, who would have had to meet us at the airport, where he had that shit waiting at the airport. And I was like, damn, that shit tough.

Nigga said, word, B, this shit here. Y'all see y'all later. I was like, shit, I'm freaked out. I was sitting there like, yo, where's the, I thought I was a passenger. Black 450, I'll never forget it, right? Waiting for him at the airport. Don't get me the numbers wrong, it was a two door,

the newest shit, nigga was out. But I respect it now, I get it. I did that too when it was my turn. I think that'll be it for today, Maurice. Thank you for being here. Mo, see you in Ohio, Mo. Wait on it. See you in Ohio.

It's real. In the comments, hashtag ask Mace and hashtag ask Cam, because I want to know what y'all want to know, because at this point, we're going to have to start asking them, because there's a lot of stories that I want to know too. But that is all the time that we have for today. Thanks for watching!