IT IS WHAT IT IS - KILLA SWITCHED UP ON NY, ANTHONY EDWARDS COLLECTING INFINITY STONES & WHITE AMERICA'S NEXT BIG STAR

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

Ma$e, Cam’ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one!! On this episode, Killa took a page out of Murda’s book with this Celtics jacket he got on after the Celtics extend (pause) the series vs the Knicks with their win in game 5, should knicks fans be panicking?? Then, Antman continues to collect the infinity stones by sending the OG’s of the Golden State Warriors Packing after the Wolves finish them off (pause) in 5. Next, what’s the future of the Warriors now that Curry is 37? We continue the conversation with which NBA superstar would benefit the most from winning their first championship this year? SGA, Antman, Brunson or Haliburton. Lastly, Can you separate the athlete with their off the court drama? ***NEW MERCH*** https://www.itiswhatitismerch.com Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog app. Use code MASE, CAM, or STAT to get up to $1,000 in bonus funds with your first deposit! Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson , Producer Ayooo Nick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello y'all, uh I was selling crack on a private jet up in a hell and back But no confusion, this a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Yeah, Murda here, he countin' money He said, can't man the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga

Black fences and white vigas Now I'm out here and I'm lookin' for more chandeliers and light pictures Nah, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is. This episode is sponsored by Underdog. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states, including California, Texas, and Missouri, just to name a few. So as you all know, our sponsor, Underdog, just released ladders, the newest game to Underdog originals. So with ladders, you'll pick three to five players who you think have a big game in them. Winning is very straightforward. The bigger their nights,

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underdog with promo code Mase, code or code stat. As y'all know, I'm treasure will say an AKA stat baby along with your host Mase and cam. Boston, George. How you doing? You all right? Yeah, man. I see you switching up. I'm just going with what's going on. I was following the lead up here, man. Just following everybody else up here. Shout out to my man, Jeff Hamilton, you know, Justin Lowe Package, man, you know. Just going with the flow, man.

That's the flow of the show, rather, up here, man. Yeah, when them Rome doers, they're all man. Exactly. Well, I'm wearing this really for solidarity for my man Tatum and all that, man. That is, that, Hey, what is that? You see what you brought in? I don't even know what to say.

It started with you. No, it started with you with the jersey. You with the jersey. You came in here with the Derrick Rose. Yeah, man. Maze got- And now Killer is over here. Now he's Tatum.

Yeah, I'm for my nigga Tatum, man. A little solidarity, man. You better sue him, man. Crazy, man. This is crazy. I can't even be mad, because it's like the jacket and the hat, it's like solidarity, man. You better sue him, man. Crazy, man. This is crazy. I can't even be mad, because it's like the jacket and the hat,

it's like you might as well go all the way, but wow. She fly, you know, she look good, man. Money green look good on me. Yeah, this is. Money green look good on me, man. I don't even know what to say. I normally have something to say, I'm speechless. I don't even know what to say either.

Yeah, he's from Boston now. I normally have something to say, I'm speaking. I don't even know what to say, I think. Yeah, he's from Boston now. Listen man, if you're gonna do it, do it like you're doing it for TV, man. Okay. Little flimsy jerseys y'all coming to here with, man. If y'all gonna do it, do it right, man. Yeah, he's officially out of New York.

Kim can't come back to New York. Just saying my nigga Tana a little solidarity. Get better soon, man. Oh, man. This is crazy. Well, let's start with that because we've got a game six. So the Knicks lost to the Celtics, won 27-1 on 2.

Without Jason Tatum, Mace, what went wrong for the Knicks in this game? And how did you feel about the outcome? Oh, man, it's like everything went wrong for the Knicks. I think they came in lackluster pause. They came in not not with the urgency to close out. It takes a different a different mindset to close teams out, especially when you got them on the ropes. You got to come in, you know, understanding that a different mindset to close teams out, especially when you got them on

the ropes. You got to come in, understanding that they're going to go on their run, they're going to bring their best basketball to the table. But I was, I got to admit, I was surprised for them to lose without Tatum. They get blown out and Tatum is not on the floor. And poor Zingas is not on the floor. This that's embarrassing, you know, to let some guy come off the bench. I forgot his name, but he he was playing like he was a starter. I'm like. This is this is not making sense.

And then Jalen Brunson filed out. It just it just was it was it was a hot mess. There was a hot mess. It was a hot mess. This is what happened when you when you put the attention on New York. I mean, stop counting your chickens before they hatch. Stop counting your chickens before they hatch to all New York Knicks fans, man I want y'all to win to be honest with you to be totally honest with you

It would be I would rather see the New York Knicks play the Indiana Pacers with this New York Nick team I don't want to see a Jason Tatum this Boston Celtics team play against the Indiana Pacers but May said if anybody can fuck this up But, they said if anybody could fuck this up. If they lose the next game, I'm out of there. If they lose that next game, I gotta go. I'm just saying, man, if anybody could mess this up, and like I said, this is no slight against the players

that play for the Knicks, it's only the organization. This is it. So listen, man, I don't think that to me, my personal opinion is, I kind of disagree with Mase Take. My opinion is that they came in too hype. You know, when you see like we got an opportunity to do it is sometimes your emotion works against you to me that that's what happened Jalen Brunson doesn't usually foul out of games he was

exerting his self-willed defense and listen I like to see a defensive effort he put in a great defensive effort some of the couple of files I thought were bullshit but you see niggas who want it too bad. And sometimes you have to pause that. And sometimes you have to calm down your emotions and stay in the motions of the game. Knowing what's on stake, knowing that the Knicks haven't been to Eastern Conference Finals since 1999, knowing this is a 25 year non uh, non-appearance, um, year street that they could possibly break and they didn't, and they just wanted it too bad.

You sit there and you look at the numbers. This is, this is numbers for disaster. Well, OB and a Janob and when OB and a Nobi get is shooting one for 12. You're not going to win. McKell bridges four for 14. You're not going to win when they are single digits, not going to win. Mikael Bridges, four for 14. You're not gonna win. When they are single digits, you're not gonna win. Now Josh Hart stepped up.

Josh Hart actually played very, very good. Seven for 15 from the field, five, three points. He played good. Jalen Brunson played pretty average, but he was in foul trouble the majority of the game. And Carl Anthony Towns had a decent game. Nothing crazy. Everybody had decent games,

but I seen the urgency on their face and their emotions got to them. Now on the other end of the floor, we talking about Boston. Of course Jason Tatum wasn't playing, we know that. And whatever virus Poisinger has, man, that they say has lasted for months, I hope that he's okay outside of basketball

because a virus for months? that's kind of crazy. You know, I don't wanna not go a word, but a virus for months is kind of wild. But they understood the moment because they wasn't just playing to stay alive. They was playing for their fallen soldiers, so to speak. They was playing for Tatum. Everybody had Tatum in their heart.

You look at the game before it started, Jason Tatum's jersey was hanging up in the locker room, so on and so forth. And they came out ready to play. Al Hoffer had a decent game, 12 points. Jalen Brown stepped up, did 26 points, but the person who stepped up more than anybody was Derrick Wright, 34 points, not just 34 points.

He sat nine for 16 from the field, nine for 11 from the free throw line, seven for 13 from the field, nine for 11 from the free throw line, seven for 13 from the field, from three, pardon me. And you could tell they wanted it better. Not only him, the center off the bench. Luke. Yeah, Luke Corman. The blocks were sensational,

didn't miss any shots from the field. He looked like poor Zangus, so to speak, a little more rugged, to be totally honest with you. And he was kind of a difference maker as well. Uh, Boston knew what time it was and I'm not saying they're going to win the next game or the next two games, but they're playing not just for their season, but for Tatum as well. But it was a well-balanced attack.

But what I will say is this, if you're a New York Nick fan, I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad at that loss because you come back home. But what you do see, and they just wasn't capitalizing on it, pardon me, is the Boston Celtics, when they get comfortable, falling in love with the three point shot. Loving a bitch that ain't gonna love you back every night, my nigga.

I'm telling you right now, this is an advantage for the New York Knicks. These niggas can't stop shooting the three. You think about this, my nigga. I'm telling you right now, this is an advantage for the New York Knicks. These niggas can't stop shooting the three. You think about this. They up, I believe, 14 points. They get in the bonus in the third quarter in the bonus with nine minutes left.

Nine is some change. So those for them, they don't know what the bonus means. Means every foul that they get, they go into the foul line. Sometimes it's a shooting foul. Sometimes the foul is on the floor. When the foul is on the floor, you take it out from out of bounds

unless you're in the bonus. They were in the bonus when nine is some chase left and they still shooting threes. Every shot should have been to the basket for potential contact for a foul. And you go to the foul line, shoot some jump shots. This is definitely in the New York Knicks' favor because they're not going to shoot that good every night.

They're on just their second game winning where they're shooting decent from three. They're not shooting very well from three at all. We all seen that. So I would say this definitely plays in the Knicks favor because they mentally can't get it out their mind. They can't stop shooting threes no matter what. So even though they won last game, I would take this back to New York if I'm a New York Knick player coach and staff so on and so forth and say look we played bad we wasn't making shots I'll start play a clutch player whatever you want to call him he didn't play well because he was in foul trouble

Mikel Bridges in single digits I'll call Anthony Towns didn't have a sensational game OJ and an OB's in single digits. We're not going to win. That's not a recipe to win. So take the mistakes, take it back home and try to seal the deal. That's what you got. Okay, so can you say obviously the Knicks can't be scoring in single digits, there's a couple, you know, mistakes that they made that you could see having progress to win. So Mace, in your opinion, what do you think is the first adjustment, the

Knicks need to make to be able to win this series? I'm going to say something really simple. They got to play better than the people they're playing against. If you look at the stats, this is the first time I ever seen a team that was plus in every position. Oven and Porzingis. Look at look at this list, for example, you got you got Al Horford. That was plus 11.

You got Drew Holliday plus 23. You got Derek White plus 26. You got Jalen Brown plus 28, even the people that came off the bench. Bail is plus one. Torrey Craig is plus one. Luke Carnett is plus 20. Now you got Pritchett as plus 24 all the way down the stats. This team was playing better than them in every position.

And that's something you just can't win. Normally it's a matchup that the Knicks will be winning in this game. They had no matchup where they was playing better. Even when you look at their white. I mean, I did call it that he was gonna have those threes and I don't know if underdog is keeping the record but that's what I did say so Ken when the you know the green he's from title town today I don't know if it's officially title town but thing about it nice is when you looking over his own his paperwork

right now no I was saying the thing about it is that's why they give you three picks. Cause if you don't get all three, right. The one you got right doesn't matter. Did you get all of them right? That's how it works. This is almost like a parlay at three, three day, three parlay ticket. So y'all make sure your other stats. I'm not saying they're wrong.

They might've been right. You got to check them, see if they were right. So that's that. To be fair, even though, you know, the fit is still crazy to see, Cam did say that Celtics were favored to win this game. So that did say, so it's like, we can't be like, oh dude, like you did say that, so.

I may say they won the series, but I knew they won. I didn't hear Tatum was playing or not and I knew the moment would be too big for us For them to win this game I just knew that now they see that this moment could be snatched away because what you don't want to do is get to a game Seven in boss not saying they can't win we seen the Knicks come back from 220 point deficits in Boston But what you don't want to do is let it get to that. They seen what happened tonight and I knew this was going to happen.

I just didn't want to jinx them, but I said this would happen. But I think they take this and say, let's stay within the lines, not get over it, hype. Like I said, it wasn't nothing they did wrong basketball wise. It was just too much emotion. Basketball wise, of course, you got to make the shots.

And Mase made a great point with the plus minuses. Absolutely. You got to win the game with somebody. Everybody, all eight players are minus on the floor for the Knicks and everybody on Boston is plus. That was a great statue brought up Mase. But the end of the day, realize the moment, realize how fast this moment could be taken away from you.

And then after that, settle down and say, we can't let this next moment get away. You have two more moments. Don't let it get to the next moment, the seventh game meaning, wrap this thing up on a Friday and keep it pushing. Cause now niggas will start to get scared. on Friday and keep it pushing because now niggas will start to get scared.

Yeah, they lose this next game. It's time to get nervous. Yeah, I yeah, for sure. So basically last prediction before we go on to the next game. So if the Celtics were to move on and win this series versus the Knicks, do you think that they could beat the Pacers without Jason Tatum? No, absolutely not. Right now, there's no team that's jelling better than the Indiana Pacers. They're playing on all cylinders. And remember, it's the coaching that matters. It looked like, what's his name, Missoula? What's the coach name for Boston? Yeah, he looked like he was waiting

on his order, like he was ordering food. That's how he looked standing on his sideline. He had no clue of what was going on. But they just actually won. They just got great talent. But if it comes down to a strategy match, I don't expect them to make a better play or a better out of bounds or a better have his team prepared to come out of the the locker room in the third quarter and make a significant difference.

And I think that's what it boils down to winning championships and getting your team to play when it really counts in the fourth quarter. No, they can't win without table. That's that. That's that simple. No. Yeah. OK. Just had to ask. OK, so moving on. The Timberwolves eliminated the Warriors after beating them 121 to 110. Mace, I know you have different tiers of title town, but this is your OG title town.

What happened to the Warriors? The same thing like we're talking about without Tatum. You're not I'm not expecting you to win without Stephen Curry. I mean, that's like taking Michael Jordan off the bulls. You're not expecting them to win. If they win, it's a plus for everybody on the court. But a whole series, absolutely not. I think Ant-Man went out there and did what was supposed to be done.

Even like when you was looking at Mike Colony, I meant Conley, when Killer was talking about how he preferred him over, you know, Chris Paul, Chris Paul, and, and he was saying he would take him over. Um, Michael Porter, Jr. I know I understand that because he definitely is a super, super floor general. And this team, this team, the Timberwolves was destined to be Golden State. I think that was just was the writing on the wall. Like I said, he's out there collecting stones, but he got to be able to collect

SGA stone. It doesn't matter if you beat all these old people and then you get against SGA and you all go home. So, you know, congrats on this game, though. We're in this moment. Congrats on tonight. I mean, yesterday. Yeah, for me, it looks the time was the real deal. They're really good. When I say the real deal, it's, the Timberwolves are the real deal.

They're really good. When I say the real deal, it's a time for this team to gel. Everybody just forgets that it was a trade, not just a regular trade, a very big trade at the beginning of this season, which involves Kat going to New York and Dee Vincenzo and Randall coming to Minnesota. They're not gonna gel with these people overnight. And what happened as the season went on, you started seeing them in jail. Not only that, you had

even Chenzil hurt for a portion of the season. You had Julius Randall hurt for a portion of the season. So then those are games that they're missing out on jelling. And after the All-Star break, they all ended up jelling. This was a well-balanced attack last night. And I really see right now that Julius Randall is stepping into that number two role as, if they double the triple team in Ant-Man, give me the rock, I got niggas. That's what he's on the last few games. All right, cool, they'll need a basket,

give it here, I'm gonna get us a basket. He finished, I believe, with 29 points. He had more than Anthony Edwards last night, but that chose to show, Ant-Man's getting doubled and tripled team. I believe Anthony Edwards had nearly 10 assists, if I'm not mistaken.

I don't think it was 10, I think it was eight or nine or something like that. Yeah, he had 12. Oh yeah, I ended up having 12. Okay, I stopped watching towards then because it was a blowout. But he ended up, when I was looking, he had eight, nine assists,

and it was a career high in assists because the double and triple team is coming towards him and not only him, even Chenzos who having a very, very rough playoff, uh, 225, not just this series, he's not playing well in the playoffs comes off the bench, gives them some light, starts knocking shots down, gets his groove, also finding open players. They look really, really good last night. And they also look like a team that's, I might could win the West, cause they're jelling there.

Let's look at the starting lineup. You're sitting there looking at McDean's. We already talked about Julius Randall with 29, McDean with 14, Rudy Gobert, there you go, 17 points. Mike Conley, 16, and Ant-Man 22. If you got Ant-Man 22 and you still win by double digits, that means the team is doing well. They look really good, man. And we'll see what happens next round because I'm not foregoing conclusions saying that OKC is going to win. For me, that's not

a foregone conclusion. They have to go back to Denver. And what the joker did last game looked like he by any stretch of the imagination. He's just not going home like that. So we'll see what happens next game. But congratulations to Minnesota. Now on to the Warriors. I don't know what happened to where they waited so late in this series, not just series to play also. And I know Steve Kerr said that he was trying to buy Kaminga some time because of his injury and what not so on and so forth. I'm not buying it. It seemed like it was something personal going on

and you didn't want to put Kaminga in because as soon as you put Kaminga in, he got right to work. Last night, he looked like what they brought Jimmy Butler in to do. He was the one going to the basket. He was the one initiating the, we need to score. Jimmy Butler looked like one of the Golden State Warriors

role players. He didn't look like the person they acquired from the Miami Heat to come get them baskets when they needed baskets. When Steph Curry did not only get injured, we thought when Steph Curry would go out the game to get Russ, that you could get us a basket. You were not looking for baskets.

I seen on Danny Green, shout out to Danny Green, former champion, Spurs of course, when there was my team, so on and so forth. And I see him take a, make a take on, I don't know if it was on NBA Today, whatever it was. He said that not last game, the game before last, that Jimmy Butler foot wasn't on the gas because he looked on the sidelines and seeing that Steph Curry wouldn't be able to make it back. So he didn't want to over-essert his energy because he was like, Steph ain't coming back. I ain't going to give him my all. And when I heard that, there was two things I would say to myself that what the fuck is Danny Green talking about? Why wouldn't, because Steph Curry isn't playing, that you don't exert your energy on the court, cause you know he's not coming back

when they brought him in for that. So it was even, it was two things. It was Danny Green don't know what the fuck you talking about, or Danny Green know too much of what he's talking about. And he's spilling beans on how players really feel. I don't know which one I want to believe,

but when I heard it, it sounded crazy. But who am I to question a three, four time NBA champion who's been in these locker rooms, who know players better than I know players? But if you're making that statement and you sit there and be like, yo, Steph ain't coming back, I ain't giving him my all.

Nigga, nigga, we brought you here to give it it all, your all. I didn't like the way he played it all, my nigga. And the choir, for him to go out like this these last two games and you know you acquired him, I don't know what that says for the go-to-state warriors moving forward. Third stuff's gonna be 38 this year, next year.

Draymond's gonna be 35, 36 next year. Jimmy Butler's to be 37. Now we all see the different stuff Curry makes when he's on the court. This series was up in the air where he was playing. We know when he went out that it was tied, I believe, in that game that he went out in. Or they was, I don't remember what it was,

but we knew that the Golden State Warriors still was in it. And the moment he left, this shit was over with. The only love. Very disappointing. I felt bad for him on the sidelines because you see how bad he wanted to be out there. And them niggas just couldn't deliver, man. So I don't know what the Golden State Warriors going to do moving forward. What I would say is this, and I don't know how much it's going to cost, and I don't

know if the other team will want to do it. But to me, me personally, if the Golden State Warriors want to make a chance and move forward into Western Conference, figure a way out financially or another way to get Jimmy Butler and Phoenix and get Kevin Durant and go to state. That may be the only chance that the Golden State Warriors have moving forward if you want to get Steph Curry another championship. You got an OKC team that's not going anywhere. We, pardon me, we've got a Denver Nuggets team

that's once removed from the championship, meaning they won the championship before the year before last and two, three players that have been traded may be the only, and I'm talking about role players, but the core is there. When I say the core, Aaron Gordon, Jamal Murray and Yoke is just there. I ain't even throwing Michael Porter Jr. in that shit. The core is there for them who won the championship. They need a couple of role players that's going to help them get there. We looking at what's going on with San Antonio and them acquiring Fox and Wimby already there. Not only that,

they have the second and the 14th pick in the lottery. They're flirting with Milwaukee talking about, you know, we know Yonis don't want to be there. You know, you want these picks, niggas. 214, y'all can start rebuilding now. Imagine Yonis gets down to San Antonio with Fox and Wimby. You got to think about this. Not just that. We're talking about the Minnesota Timberwolves. We have to think about this Western conference and what it's meaning moving forward because these stars that shining now are pretty young and they're shining and the older players are starting to look older. So to me,

the only chance that Seth Curry gets to go back to a championship is if you acquire KD or you get some more talent around him. It's not going to happen with the talent that he has around him right now. Yeah, and they got Casio up there and San Antonio as well. But Stad, I want to ask you a question about this because the last two seasons, Jimmy Butler has not been playoff Jimmy. It's been more like, um, I know we were saying playing Jimmy. Do you think playoff Jimmy Butler is over?

I don't think it's over. I think he just had to adjust to the Warriors lineup. I think in general, he's doing like, he wants to be with the Warriors. He made it very clear that he didn't want to be with the Miami Heat anymore. And you can't keep somebody where they don't want to be because they're not going to perform well on it show. That's why they had locker room issues. That's why they had all these problems kind of happening internally that was taking away from their game. So I think this is the best position for him to be in.

He's on a two year extension. So he's going to be there for at least another year and a half at least, but they are getting older. And I think that we're seeing that with some of our favorite players. And that's why I don't like to say, but it are getting older. And I think that we're seeing that with some of our favorite players. And that's why I don't like to say, but it's kind of weird to see the era shifting because we're seeing these young players

who are kind of starting to take over the game. And it's not what we're used to because we want to see the LeBrons. We want to see the Steph Currys. We want to see players at that caliber. But Jimmy Butler's getting kind of up there in age two. So I don't think it's gone, but I think it's going to take a second

for it to kind of click. I think that's what we seen in this series Yeah, and another team night killer didn't I mention is Dallas next year I'm getting if they get cool if they pick Cooper flag with with Anthony Davis and a healthy Kyrie This is gonna be a really good team Yeah, Nick Nick do me a favor. And that whole last take between stat and Mase, could you just mark it, please? And save it for me.

He's going to say something later. Just want to hold it. Mase said play in Jimmy. He wants to play in Jimmy is crazy. And you said that's the best position for him to be in. I just want to say, I, with the Warriors. I'm gonna say mine. Do you disagree? I just said, save the clip, best position for him to be in and play in Jimmy is wild. Play in Jimmy is wild, but you don't, or maybe, I don't know.

I'll just, I'll let you do what you do. I just, I'm choking in the neck, I have nothing to do with y'all. Play in Jimmy, best position for him to be in is wild, but just save that for me. I'm curious to see what he'll do with that clip, but I don't want to know. So you pose a great question concerning Jonathan Kamenga.

So he becomes a restricted free agent this off season. He signed a four year, $24 million rookie deal with the Warriors in 2021. So without Kamenga on the roster, the Warriors are seventeen point five million dollars below the luxury tax. So, Mase, knowing that information, what do you think the Warriors will do with him? And how important do you think he is to their roster? I think I think that makes more sense of why he was playing the way he was

because he know he got some money to get. And it makes sense why Steve Kerr was probably doing what he was doing because he probably already know coming is not coming back. But sometimes people got to relish the moment and cease the moment pause and just get the wind. Stop trying to teach people. I remember we was we were talking about this about a female coach. That's that's dynamic and thinking about how they're trying to teach players things on the floor instead

of winning the game, especially when it's a game that really matters. And this is not the time to be trying to teach Jonathan Kaminga a lesson because you could tell it was something personal because every time he got in, he got 23 points, then he get 24 points. And he's playing with super energy, going straight to the rim and pausing. And you would think about that and say, then why wasn't he playing?

And somebody like Steve Kerr knows how good he is if he's there practicing with him every day, pause. But that's what I would think. If I'm Jonovan Kamiga, I'm out. Yeah. I ain't playing with niggas, man. Niggas playing with my money and niggas playing with my livelihood.

Like Mase said, you know, that's a great point Mase made up. Let's not run this nigga up because his contract up. Let's keep him at a certain value so we could probably keep him. When he came in, and to me, the last two games, he's the best player on the floor for the Golden State Warriors. From him, I'm out. I ain't even bullshit.

I'm going, my nigga, because Steve, I ain't got time to play the mind games with you and all this other dumb shit. Let it thump the team, appreciate my value when I bring to the table. And if I'm comminga, let's think about this as well. If he, let's Kaminga athleticism, when I'm talking about purely athleticism,

he's up there with Ant-Man in athleticism. And that's why I used to say, not used to, when I was talking about it last week or a few episodes ago, whenever it was, I say I'm mad at him because if he worked in his game on the off season, the problem he could present to other players would be tremendous. The kid jumps out the gym, he could finish

with either hand, pause on going to the basket. He hits the open shot, no, not consistently, but that's one of the things he needs to work on. He has zero left hand. He cannot dribble with his left hand whatsoever. Work on your left hand, work on a couple moves, work on your men's rage game. You could be a potential really, really big problem, Jonathan Kaminga. A really, really big problem for us, because he's athletically gifted.

Sometimes people let their athleticism take away from them learning other skills, because they're like, I could get away doing this. Same thing I say about Klay Thompson. He can shoot his ass off to where he can't, to me can't get three, four moves to get you off from pause when you're trying to go to the basket, because he can shoot so good. And he's like, that's my bread and butter. This is what I'm going to do.

Work on other things sometimes. But if I'm Jonathan Kamenga, I'm definitely weighing my options out, because we ought to think about this also. If he wants to win, is Golden State the place for him to win? I don't think so, not with this roster presently constructed. Okay.

Yeah, he definitely, and it wasn't just two games. He had three games that was like really good for them. He had 23, then 30. Now he just had 26. So, you know, it's it's something with him Steve Curry You got to be out of there. Yeah, so Steve Kerr actually spoke on why Kaminga fell out of the Warriors rotation It's kind of a long quote, but I'm gonna read some of some of it He said the puzzle has to fit we found a really good formula when JK was injured and we got Jimmy

I think we went 18 and two or something right away So we found lined up combinations that have clicked and we're winning and we have to stick with that. It's brutal, brutal for JK. It really is. He's a young player. He wants to play and he's absolutely talented enough to play. He still may be a part of the equation in this series and maybe next series after that. So this was a quote for him a little bit earlier on, but just in general, when we're talking about Jonathan Kaminga, and then obviously we've had our conversations about Jordan pool,le. How do you feel about the way Warriors handles younger players? Yeah, that's what I'm that's what I'm that's what I'm that's what I was referring to when I said, nah, is if you if you go on a 19 and no run without a person that you know, especially to the team,

you don't exclude them from the lineup. You just you just figure out a way that you differently that you're going to use the team, you don't exclude them from the lineup. You just figure out a way that you're differently that you're gonna use the player. But you definitely don't just bring them out of the lineup. I think Kaminga was there for at least probably two championships. So this is not somebody that just. Just one.

Yeah, just one championship. Not in title time, according to you. Yeah, so he definitely contributed. And, and when you think of this team right now, he's the player they was missing. I know Brandon did well, but sometimes when you're looking at, when you're looking at chemistry, this person could get 40 points, but we won't win. This person could get 16 and we win the game. And I think Caminger was more of a person that if he was able to be in that lineup they

would have won more games. Exactly the question? Yeah. From Steve Kerr's quote? Yeah. Nigga I wish you would tell me I'm not special enough to be in the lineup or whatever the fuck he said. Yeah, we found a lineup that works, that's out there, it's only five players on the floor at the time. So when you're substituting people in,

you're basically saying he wasn't even good enough to be on the bench, part of the bench rotation. He's subbed in the last two games and had the most for the Warriors. So he obviously is good enough to put in a game where you're in trouble, where you're not playing good, you want to risk it and see what he can bring to the table

when the season's on the line. But when you're doing good, you can't find room to get them in the lineup. It ain't like you starting them, and it ain't like you ain't subbing niggas in. So to me, I'm out. If I'm, what's the little nigga name? Kamenga, I'm out. I don't, if I'm, if I'm, if I'm, what's the little nigga name? Kaminga?

I'm out, my nigga. I don't even like, that wasn't even a good excuse to choose. We found the rotation to work, and it's gonna be hard for them for us to be in this series, and we see what we can do next series. Don't next series me, nigga.

Fuck you mean you gonna see what I can do next series. You gonna figure out what Steph Curry gonna do next. I bet you Steph Curry's in every series and I'm not comparing him to Steph Curry whatsoever. But I'm trying to say I'm not no scrub neither. Okay, in the comments down below, let us know what you guys think is next for the Warriors. We're gonna go to break.

When we return, we will discuss some NBA hot takes. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back to It Is Now. So Cam has been hooking up with discounted player picks on underdog. And since this is the last Is Now segment for now, make sure to take advantage while you can. So, Cam, who are we discounting this week? Today, I got a good one for you. Great one. You know, SGA SGA right now is at 30 and a half points.

But I think I like him at 24 and a half. Let me call you up on the dog right now and make half points. But I think I like him at 24 and a half. Let me call you D up on the dog out right now and make the call. You did was good, baby. Yeah, everything. Yeah, we good. We got we got no listen. Y'all got SGA right now with 30 and a half points. I think I like them at 24 and a half points tonight. 30 and a half points. I think I like them at 24 and a half points tonight. We work together, right? This is the last word for a minute, for a minute. Do me this favor. I love you, my nays. I love you. Pause, pause. All right. Done there. It's done.

See, and just like that, Cam made the call and underdog made the play. SGA is at 24 and a half points. This is available now until tip off tonight for new and existing customers who have signed up with any of our promo codes. So code Maze, code Cam, code stat. So make sure you guys take advantage of the final. It is now promo now. Welcome back. So I got some hot takes that I kind of want you guys opinion on to see if it kind of aligns.

So somebody said the NBA needs to shorten the season and add more breaks between playoff games. They said the playoffs are turning into whoever doesn't get injured. Of course, we've seen a lot of injuries throughout this season. But Mase, what do you think? Is that something that the NBA should consider? No, I actually don't think they're playing enough games as is. I think people are taking a lot of games off. I think really part of the reason they keep getting injured is these low top sneakers, but they don't want to really look into it.

Every time you see a person get hurt, just look at his sneakers. I mean, your sneakers matter. It's just like you're playing football, your cliques matter. So when you're playing basketball and you're getting these things like the turning of the ankle, the knee and all of these things is because the base of the foot is not solid. And then people are like, well, you know, soccer players playing low tops all the time, but you didn't grow up playing soccer.

That's the difference. You know, your ankle is not strong enough to be playing that way. And that's why we see these things happening. It's not like people have an upper body in the injuries. It's all lower body injuries. So that definitely plays into a role of the sneaker. There's the stability of the leg and they need to look into that. No, I definitely don't think that there should be less games.

Look, I hate just keep going back, but niggas was, Carmelo, I'm just giving the Carmelo stat. 18 years in the NBA, longer than that. For his first 18 years, he played, he missed six games in 18 years. We're talking about niggas who be taking half the season off of toe jam and all type of other shit. Six games and I'm just naming him.

There's a lot of players that play 82 games and barely missed a game throughout the season. Now it's a stat. Now it's a whole, yo, I played all 82 and niggas be impressed by it. Not only that, you getting low management pause anyway. Your coaches and staff are giving you certain games off by not even by your request to rest.

No, I don't think it should be less games, man. Take care of your body. And like I said, everybody's body is different. And a lot of bigger players to me, big men, I'm talking about pause, sentence, power force, whatever. They get hurt more than others. But you can't control it. Injuries are part of the game.

That's what GM's jobs are to do. And I know we have our stars that we wanna see, but your job is to get a roster, God forbid that somebody gets hurt that could fill in and do what they're doing. Of course they're not gonna be able to do what a superstar's doing, but at least maintain the organization so they could keep winning when your superstar's out. That's

what GM's job to get the roster together when these superstars are out and they can't play. You know, a lot of the game last night they kept putting the camera on Mike Dunley for GM now for Golden State talking about, well, what are you going to do? What are you going to do? Because they know Stuff Curry needs more talent around him to win. Same thing we looked at last month and a half, however long it's been, looking at Nico for Dallas. What are you gonna do?

What are you gonna do? Miracle fell in his lap. That's what I'm saying. That point, I don't know how this nigga pulled it off, but the NBA said, we want white in Dallas, we need white. And they got white in Dallas. Dallas had 1.7, 1.8% chance to win that lottery and ended up winning.

Coincidental, you tell me. But no, I don't know if, I'm not agreeing with less than 82 games, no. Okay, so you bring up Dallas, which of course, people still feel like that was rigged just because of the way it went about, the way the Mavs season went, we see that. But looking at the draft lottery, right.

So the Mavs made it clear they will not be trading their number one pick. And they said they plan to draft Cooper Flag. So I kind of want to focus on the different NBA markets, right? If Cooper Flag were to evolve into the face of the league, do you think he would be able to exceed that on a team like the Wizards or the Hornets or just think that's not possible? Because on the flip side in the NFL, right, you have big superstars, which we arguably say Patrick Holmes is the best quarterback in the league right now.

He's in Kansas City. Do you feel like that's the same for the NBA or no? I think is all I think it's all, I think the best player has always been in one of those types of markets. You look at Shaq, Shaq was like the most dominant player, but he was down in Orlando and you see what happened. They got him to LA. You know, when you think of Jordan, he was in Chicago. You think of Magic you think of Jordan, he was in Chicago. You think of Magic Johnson, again, in LA.

All the time when there's been like some of the best players, they've always been in big markets. So when you look at somebody like Cooper Flagg, there's nothing wrong with Dallas. Dallas is definitely a big market and is one of the top 10 cities in the United States. So I think of definitely Texas as a place you want to be, if you're especially as a Caucasian superstar. And then just to clarify, so you don't think he would do so well on a team like the Hornets or maybe the Wizards or even the Jazz?

Because you don't want you don't want Cooper flag in in in Charlotte. Now, if he was in Utah, he would still do Phenomenon in Utah because they got the fan base for that. But I wouldn't put Cooper. She's saying like a face of the league in those. Face of the league in Utah? Yeah, that's what she's saying.

Not if he's gonna do well. Oh yeah, I think he could be the face in Utah and Utah out of all of the other cities that are more popping because you again, you got the fan base that that will cover that. Okay. What do you think? And present the question exactly. Just basically where he will he be the face of the league and the teams that

you name it on door? Yeah. I know smaller market. To me, it's about winning. It isn't to me. Of course you want them to be in a big city or a smaller market. To me, it's about winning. To me, of course you want them to be in a big city or a big market, absolutely, 100%. But if the Washington Wizards went

to the Eastern Conference Finals, yeah, he could be the face of the league. I'm talking about if he was on the Washington Wizards. When you win, that solves everything. When you're not winning, it doesn't matter. Cleveland is not a big market. LeBron James was the face of the league, whether you want to say the face of the league.

He's the face of the league in Cleveland. For years, Cleveland is not a big market, but you win. And not saying he won the first time around, but he won enough for him to be the face of the league. Then he went to Miami and then comes back to Cleveland again and goes to four straight championships and wins one. You know what happened with KD coming to go to state, et cetera, but when you win, that solves everything.

So yes, Cooper flag could be the face of the league eventually, but it also comes with winning and not just winning, being the dominant player on the winning team. So I just, I think that Mace is correct when you definitely want a player in a big market, a hundred percent. But does it have to be?

I don't think that it has to be, but you have to win also. You can't go 12 and 72, 12 and 70 and be like, well, the nigger was average in 40. We gonna make him the face of the league. No, you have to, if you're coming with the face of the league, it ain't like you got to be the champions yet. As much as we say Ant-Man, or we know Jason Tate who has a title now, or he's saying John Moran, who doesn't have a title, who could have been the face

of the league they were talking about. They have no titles, but they're looking for somebody to give it to. They're doing everything in their power, and it's that obvious that you could have gave it to somebody like Luca by now. You could have gave it to somebody like the Joker right now. You could have gave it to somebody by now. You could have gave it to somebody like the Joker right now. You could have gave it to somebody like SGA

who's potentially getting there right now. But you want an American. I get it. We don't want to submit as America and as the NBA that the face of the league be somebody who's not American because you could have been advertising overseas players for a minute now to be the face of the league. That's why I said you got a homegrown white nigger.

It is a difference from having a white person that's not from America than having a white person that's from America. Why do you think the people went so crazy for Caitlin Clark? It's not just America, it's middle America, which is really just M&M land. You get what I'm saying?

When you in middle America doing the things that she was doing, this is the results, the views, the sponsorships, the TV ads, everybody's so spectacle around what she's doing to where they want her to play with the men in three on three and ice. It's all type of shit when you're white American and you're as good as you are. So Cooper flag does got to do what he needs to do on this team, presently

constructed with the Dallas Mavericks. He could be beneficial. We know Anthony Davis is not consistently healthy, even though he's been playing a lot of games the last two seasons. Kyrie's not coming back to the middle of the season, December, January. This could be your time to really shine at the beginning of the season. Anthony Davis is not a ball-dominant person. Cooper Flagg actually, you know, I seen him at the combine.

He actually pours gruey and she's 6'9 now, 240 pounds. That's great basketball height. And science poets like my nigga, you six nine 240, 18 years old. He actually, but a lot of people don't know about Cooper Flack this year and Duke that he played. He's still supposed to be in high school, technically. He skipped a year forward because his grades

and so on and so forth. But he was really a senior in high school this past year that he played at Duke. So basically if he went to Duke again next year, which he'd be technically a sophomore, really been his freshman year, coming up. Kid got a lot of time and a lot of potential. If I was Dallas, I doubt I'd trade him too.

Even though I know Yanis, you could probably win now, but you can't buy that white, man. You can't buy that good old American white. You can't do it. That was crazy, but. You look, you reaching on, I know all show, I see you on my peripheral. I look at you, all show I see you.

Can't wait. He mad at me because he wanna play in Jimmy. Yeah. He mad at me cause he want playin' Jimmy. He mad at me. I can't buy that white, it was crazy. That's reaching, you can't buy that white? That's super duper, we go to court about that. Come on, you can't buy that white. Come on man, I don't know what you thinkin' about,

what's on your mind man? You can't buy that white? I would think you thinkin think about cocaine before anything else. When you talking about white, as a Harlem man, I'm just thinking first thing white would be cocaine for where we grew up, but you know, maybe not Jacksonville. I don't know if you're Floridian murder on the road.

I don't know what makes I'm getting from day to day. OK, so looking at some of the last games and obviously taking out Jokic and Tatum, but what player do you think has the best storyline for winning their first ring if they were in advance? Looking at Anthony Edwards, Jalen Brunson, Halliburton and SGA. I think that's a good a good question, but I'm more so because of some of the stories off the court, I wouldn't say Anthony Edwards.

I think actually Halliburton has the best story when you think about him being a guy that wasn't no star when he was in high school, getting to college now becoming a star in the NBA and winning in this market of Indiana, you know, just like you got Carlisle who, who gets kind of like walked out of Dallas and he wins in Indiana. There's a, there's a lot of great stories with this Indiana team. There's really no no one person that's doing this. Even you guys see Ockham that had some hard times down there in Atlanta.

He get to Indiana, they get a ring, you know, that I think Indiana will be the best story. But and then it will be OKC. OK, so you have- But the Knicks actually will be the best story. The best story would be New York. If New York won the championship, oh my goodness. Are you celebrating?

I would have to go to the party. They might not let Cam in, but you know. I'm not one of them niggas that care about being where everybody at anyway. If I can't control the environment, a lot of times I don't like to be there anyway. My bad, I'm gonna cut you a slice. Yeah, we're the same on that.

He said actually, I don't know. But I'm saying New York would be the best story. Like, they would never stop partying. Okay, so New York is the best story overall. As far as specific player, Halliburton, then you're going SGA, and last you're going Anthony Edwards because of his off court stuff.

You just, when you think of story. Okay. I'm gonna get back to that, but I wanna get Cam's answer and then we can kind of compare. Yeah, I mean, if we're talking about players, I agree with Mase first take four, he switched up and went to the next.

I think Tyrese Halliburton, to me, would be the best story. Because, and Ant-Man as well, because Ant-Man, like Mase said, off the court, we always talk about baby mothers and lawsuits, attorneys and all this, but he had deaths in his family and dealt with a lot of personal things

that a lot of young niggas wouldn't be able to handle as well as he's handling it as a 23 year old that had to been dealing with it for a few years leading up to this. So personal stories outside of basketball, it might be Ant-Man because of the depths and the family that he's been dealing with for the last few years. But if we're talking story lines,

I'm going with Halliburton because he's not even from Milwaukee, he's from Oshkosh, Wisconsin. Wherever Oshkosh is, shout to Oshkosh, Wisconsin. I'm not sure if it's a lot, you know, just listening to people talk about it's not a lot of basketball prospects that's considered to go to the NBA. Then he wasn't drafted high. Then he isn't, you know, people are mad he's on the Olympic team and they're saying he's an overrated player just a couple weeks ago.

So I actually voted the number one overrated player. And this is actually in his young career, his second trip to the Eastern Conference Finals. As much as we love Jalen Brunson, and I know he was hobbled last year, and we love the Knicks, because the Knicks are New York franchise and they haven't won in 50 years, haven't been to Conference Finals in 25 years. It'd be a great story for New York. But we're talking about personal triumph five years, it'd be a great story for New York. But we're talking about personal triumph stories from the question that staff presented, which player?

To me is Ant-Man when he's overcome personally then Tyrese Halliburton after that. Okay. And then just back to your point really quick. I know you said Ant-Man's off the court issues, but how much do you think that takes into a play? Just how much, basically where he's gotten to at this point in the series and what he's done? Like, does that make a big difference to you

or do you feel like that can kind of be swept under the rug? Like, how do you feel about that was your stance? Now that I heard what Cam said, I understand A-Man a little bit more, but I still stick with my answer because I understand, amen, a little bit more, but I still stick with my answer because I think, I just think it'd probably be sending the wrong. Okay. Just the message overall.

Okay. I can, I can accept that. Okay. So last thing before we wrap. So Warriors Draymond Green was fined 50,000 for questioning the integrity of NBA officials. He fouled out of game three with four minutes and 38 seconds remaining, and the Warriors trailing just by two points.

He said five and a half. I know what y'all doing basically to the refs. This was in reference to the five and a half point spread in game league in Game 3 that the league had announced. So the game ended with the Warriors five point loss. But Mase, do spreads like this make you question officials' decisions too, or does that not mean much to you? No, Draymond is a walking technical fowl.

Everywhere he goes, the antics that he pulled, his history, you know, what he's known for, his reputation outside of basketball. And I mean, outside of basketball, while he's on a basketball court, that's crazy that you even have to say that. His reputation outside of basketball, because he'll be talking to one person, throw his hand this way, slap somebody and punch somebody this way. And it's like, pause. You just be doing, he'd be doing too much, man.

And I hate for all of the great things that he's done on the basketball court that now get all put together to where people are thinking of him that way. Because he's such a phenomenal basketball player and team player and gritty player, but all the antics, I could do it out. Yep, and real quick before I answer this question,

because I know our fans too, like what is Kim talking about the deaths of Ant-Man's family? And the reason why I just wanted to give more knowledge to what I was talking about. When I say the controversy and the things he went through, Ant-Man, for those that don't know, Ant-Man's mom and grandmother died of cancer

when he was in eighth grade, within like an eighth month span span if I'm not mistaken. And they both died on the fifth day of the month or something like that. That's why he was the number five. And so what I'm saying is to handle that from the eighth grade, you know, sometimes your grandmother is like your mother, depending on how you grew up. So for your mother and your grandmother to go in that sort of span before you even make it to high school and have the career he's having now, that's what I was talking about when I was saying the personal stories. Because people are like, what does in the family?

What is Cam talking about? So I just wanted to put some more context to what I was talking about on my last tape. Now what about Dre Moss exactly? Yeah. So basically he was poking fun at the rest talking about five and a half. I know what y'all are doing because that was a spread in game three. So they kicked him out, you got a $50,000 fine.

So does spreads like that make you question officials' decisions or you feel like it has nothing really to do with that? I mean, we done seen documentaries and heard officials admit they were cheating. You know, over the years, you go to Netflix, I can't think of the name of it, it's a whole documentary on Netflix

about how the ref was cheating for years. It's actually another referee that has a documentary how he used to hate on Allen Iverson personally and call mad fouls on Allen Iverson. If I'm Allen Iverson, I don't know how this works. I'm going back and suing, you may have cost me a championship publicly admitting

that you was hating on me for 10 years while I was refereeing. You know, one of them shit's like, I know this nigga just calling this and then to come to find out this shit is true. It's like, yo man, you playing with my livelihood because who knows what games you called and I didn't go into detail due to due diligence,

but who knows if these were important games that he was referring to when Allen Iverson was playing. I don't think that is far-fetched with what Dre Ma is talking about, but every referee, are they corrupt? No, because you don't want to get busted. They throwing niggas in jail right now for gambling on certain things.

My more, more importantly, when I did see that take, what I was thinking to myself, and Dre Ma my nigga, I love them, but how you know the spread? Pause. How you know? How you knew in the middle of the game, fourth quarter, you thinking about

the five and a half point spread. That was on your mind though? That's how I would have took it. If I was the ref, I'd be like, how you know? I wasn't even thinking about the five and a half points. Why is that on your mind the fourth quarter of this game? That's what I would have said if I was the referee. But yeah, it doesn't surprise me from Draymond.

No, not at all. That's actually hilarious. That's a really great point. That's what I would have said as a comment. How you know? Yeah, how you know? Fuck you talking about. Right. Okay, and then last thing before we wrap,

because I want to circle back to this and as to why I kind of asked you about Ant-Man, just because I think it is kind of a good conversation. Because you know how people are kind of like, can you separate the artist from the music? So like, can you separate the player from the sport? I think that that's kind of the question that it poses when people talk about, okay, this stuff happens, but how do you feel about their on court stuff as well? Yeah, and I'm not against him in no way.

He's from Atlanta, so you want him to do well. Well, what does that mean? What does that mean? He's from Atlanta. Why can't he do well from Seattle? What does that mean, Murda? What does that mean? What does that, I asked you if you're an ATLian. Are you an ATLian or not?

He's from Atlanta? I'm not an ATLian, but she was asking about the storyline. So the storyline goes with marketing. ATL or your ATL and not not another ATL. But she was asking about the storylines. So the storyline goes with marketing. When you think of marketing, this is more for the mainstream brand. If you think I watch Anthony Edwards play several games when he was like in the ninth grade, when he was playing up in Morehouse, when when he was a combo guard trying to figure out if he was a point or

a shooting guard. So I was there to see the evolution of where he is right now. But when you asked me, it was about the storyline. The storyline is is more so is better. It probably better a better story with Halliburton because it inspired't Inspired people that are not that good to keep going and stuff like that But you got a similar story and Anthony Edwards But I think some of the other things that happen just kind of put it in a different light And I'm trying to deal with it the right way

Mace you said this would be good because he's from Atlanta. I don't know what Atlanta has the way Why couldn't he be from Seattle and have the same story? Why couldn't he be from Nebraska? Oshkosh. Yeah, Oshkosh. I'm just trying to figure out, what city are you down with? He says the guy who's went in Boston right now. I'm not from Boston.

I have no relation with Boston. I used to love the Patriots too. I'm just saying, Jeff Hamilton sent this to me. I'm just following protocol on this show. And Jason Tatum, you're my tiny, tiny town, Jason Tatum, man. I can't wait for you to get back. But, Stan, what's the exact question so I can answer it correctly?

Yeah, I was basically saying, you know, people ask, can you separate the artist from the music? So can you separate the player from the sport? I could, I absolutely could. Listen, we sit there all the time and listen, it depends on what it is. Like, and that's a great question. I like that question,

because sometimes it's blurred lines. You just can't separate me from a movie some nights. You know what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, it's not easy for everybody to do. Can I do it? Cool. Can everybody do it?

Cool. Let me give you an example, right? Can it be done? Yes, but I'm gonna give you an example for some people it's not easy. I was- It's hard for people. For certain people, like for instance, right?

Some people separated too much. I was hanging out one night with Vivica Fox. So me and Vivica watched the TV and she just can't stop critiquing the television show or movie. I can't remember what it was. And I'm like, you just here watch the show? She like, Cam, to be honest with you, I can't.

She said, it's only like two shows I can watch. Everything else I'm looking at, what the actor's doing wrong or what they're doing right or how they set the scene up or how the lighting is the song so forth and I'm like damn that's fucked up niggas can't watch TV you know I'm saying because they're over critiquing it to where they can't even enjoy it pause so to me I could set back to the athlete point of view it depends let's think about this and I'm not bringing up any, man, I'm not gonna say it because I can't,

why are you bringing it up? But when you win, a lot of shit go out the window. When you win niggas forget they all you stabbed two niggas last year, but the average 42 this year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you win and me and Mason not saying that this is right, by any stretch of the imagination. We're not saying it's correct, but it's the truth. When niggas will win, a lot of shit go out the window.

It's the same thing like a lot of, I've seen a lot of NFL athletes saying, when they were saying that niggas blackboard Shador and dissed that and he should have went before that, went before that. It was NFL players that's now analysts saying that they could say that and they would argue on the NFL live and so on and so forth, shout out to Marcus Spears

and them guys, Swagoo. And they were saying that if you're good enough, that they'll find a way for you to get in the NFL. They're saying you can sit there and say, he's a headache, he's gonna bring mad attention, he wears too many gold chain, whatever. But their perspective was, if you're a winner, all that's gonna go out the window, it does not matter.

So for me, yeah, if somebody did something wrong, I could hold them accountable for doing something wrong. But if they winning, they winning. Does that make them a good person off the field, off the court? No, I didn't say that. But they they winning, they winning. Does that make them a good person off the field, off the court? No, I didn't say that. But they're winning. And if the organization, this is what happens. If you're not doing good, right?

And you do some bullshit on the street, the organization be like, we can't control that conduct on our organization. We're not a part of this. This, that, and the third. And we're going to have to let him go. Pause. If you're winning, then the organization says, we believe in second chances.

It's... That's exactly right. Yeah, and this is America. If a young man made a mistake out there, it isn't upon us. We shouldn't hold his whole future against him. Yeah, we're not gonna hold his whole future against them and not give them another and give them an opportunity to play.

That's the way it go. If you're good and you can win, they'll figure it out. Me. Can I separate to I could? Yes. Everybody. I don't think everybody can. Great.

And I think some, some athletes are the same way they can't separate the two. They're, they're like Vivica Fox when they're watching basketball. Right. And that's just reality. Well, that is all the time that we have for today. Thank you all for watching. And as always, it is what it is. Thanks for watching!