IT IS WHAT IT IS - KILLA TRIED TO WARN TREVON DIGGS!! | S4 EP64

Episode Date: September 16, 2024

It's a reunion, hello y'all Uh I was selling crack on a private jet, I've been to hell and back But no confusion, it's a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Get murdered here, he counting money He said, can't man, the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches

Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga Black Benz's and white Vigas Now I'm out here and I'm looking for more chandeliers and light fixtures Nah, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is. This episode is sponsored by Underdog Fantasy. The app is an easy way to make cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states, including California, Texas, and New York, just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio. Also, downloading the Underdog Fantasy app. Use code MACE, CAM, or STAT to get up to $250

in bonus cash with your first deposit and a special pick. It's the easiest way to win on Underdog. I'm Trista Crick, filling in for Treasure Wilson, along with your hosts, Mason Cam. Thanks for having me on. How you guys doing? Killer, how you feeling, man? Gentrified up here, man. She's more gentrified by the minute, man.

Right now it's two on two. It's Nick and Tris. It's me and you man I like the neighborhood Better not get our numbers I like the food Trish thanks for filling in we appreciate you man Trish is really dope man

What were you ordering? Oh chopped cheese extra Jalapenos mayonnaise toasted I like jalapeno cheese. You ever been to Harlem? Uh-huh, of course. Where? 147th and Westside Harlem.

Okay, that's Mesa neighborhood. Oh, okay. I knew I knew you from somewhere. One time I rode my bike on the Westside Highway in the middle of the pandemic and popped a rim on the Westside Highway. Had to walk my bike all the way into the pandemic and popped a rim on the West Side Highway. Had to walk my bike all the way into

the closest bike shop in Harlem. Great Latin music. Ended up, it was hot, hot as hell. Okay. Great stuff.

Had some Cuban food. They didn't question you or try and rob you? No, they think I'm Latin. Okay, that's what I'm saying. This shit gentrified

the Harlem. I was growing up, you couldn't even be seen with that complexion unless it was, unless you was growing up. You couldn't even be seen with that complexion. Unless it was, unless she was a customer. I don't think I look like a customer. No,

no, you're good today. I'm talking about, talking about nineties and shit. But nah, Trish is really dope. Thank you for filling in for real though. So all jokes aside,

thank you. Uh, we're also joined by our analyst, Maurice Claret. What's up? What's going on? Mo, what's up? What's going on? Mo, what's up, man? What's happening, man? Mo was good

Oh my god, he got diversity Diversity, yeah, see Step back, Mo, and let me see the shirt again Mo be on point every fucking week, man Every week, man Diversity, we back in the lead I forgot Mo was on today the three two

yeah mo what's good how you been all as well man the week's been good so i actually stayed true to the whole diversity nick helped me with the notes so that's the white connection okay i'm a white dude pick up the shirt for me. All right. That's two, and I've been with my white business partners all week. So it's been a real diversity for all of us. We appreciate you for keeping us included. Nah, that's what's up, man.

I'll be back this week, man. All right, let's get into the... Go ahead. Nah, I was just making jokes. They was beating me up last week. I didn't have a haircut, and I was, you know, down in Florida. So I just want to let y'all know for the comments. I got fresh again, so we good.

Yeah, Mo was brushing his hair right before, pretty much for five, ten minutes right before we went on. I think he was probably tired of getting roasted. Speaking of players that were getting roasted, the hot topic generating some NBA buzz, Bronny James had his first best summer league performance

with 12 points, 9 in the first half, 5 for 11 from the field, 2 for 3 from deep, one of which of those threes was to tie the game in clutch time, and then last night Bronny followed up with 13 points, 5 for 10 shooting the Lakers actually won both of those games

after those two performances Bronny is now the most bet player to win rookie of the year what are your guys thoughts Mo you go first she's trolling welcome to the family, Josh. Yeah, on a personal note, I was very happy for Bronny, right?

Everybody in the world, y'all know he's the topic of discussion. And the reason I was happy for him because it made me think of when I started this show, right? like it made me think of when I started this show right and when I started this show you don't know how you're going to fit in or how you're going to perform or how you basically pause how you're basically going to find your way on a platform with people who have bigger names who are who have some sort of expectation from you and you're just looking for one thing to go right in order for you to build your confidence and And when I seen him play, like I was thinking back to myself when I was playing football or just in my younger years, like when you start the season, you just looking for one thing to go right. I want an athlete gets a pass to get himself into the groove of the game.

He gets a dunk. And this is like his his moment where he builds confidence. And so now I know he's probably been practice a bunch with his father. where he builds confidence. And so now I know he's probably done practice a bunch with his father. He's probably had, you know, JJ Redick bringing him to his office, talking about, hey man, this is where you find your jump shots. These are a couple of spots on the floor

where you can find yourself on the floor. And like, I was just happy that it actually clicked for him because I think this is something that he can build off of. I think that like anybody else, he has a smartphone. He has people that, you know, talk to him. He probably looks at direct messages the whole night. He's probably heard all the criticism from everybody. He could have been buying into it or believing it at some point.

But when you have a good game or you do something that, you know, reminds you that, hey, man, I do belong or I do have, like, some sort of skill set to build on, like, I was happy for him for that. And he can now get out of, like, the two, three-week-long comments of them saying like, hey, he's a bad player and he doesn't belong in. I just think that this is what you need to do to change the narrative and I hopefully that he's been internalizing, you know, all the

things that everybody's been saying and using it for motivation. Yeah, I would I would say, um, very briefly, when it comes to Ronnie James, I really hope this goes well for him. The pressure seemed to be like insurmountable for him. And when this game first started, Ronnie comes off the curl and hit a seven foot, you know, jump shot. And then it looked like his confidence like instantly took off from there. I mean, because he was he was way lower than zero confidence.

from there. I mean, cause he was, he was way lower than zero confidence. And then he went on later to say that his dad and his mom is his support system, which I'm not surprised of. But then he made a statement at the end that really had me really concerned, which is he got to stay sane. And he said it with a smile on his face, but you know, when somebody's smiling, but it doesn't seem like they're happy. That's how it came across to me that this smile could internally mean that he's mentally not ready for the NBA. That's just was my perception. I don't want to say a bunch of negative things about him, but that is definitely something that we got to start paying attention that is mental because when you've been

given everything and everything has come so easy, and I'm not going to say so easy, but very easy, you had the greatest of everything given to you. And yeah, you did some work, but you had the best trainer, the best strength and condition, the best shooter, the best school, the best sneakers, just everything the best, then it is some pressure for you to be the best because you had the best of everything. And I think that's weighing on his brain. What do you think, Cam? Yeah, Trish, you tell us what you think.

I think it would be better if Bronny wasn't playing on the Lakers, truthfully. If he would have gone to the Suns or any other team and not be just intrinsically linked to LeBron over and over and over again, that would have felt better to me no matter where he would have been drafted. Then I would have known that it wasn't finessed by the power play that is LeBron.

And LeBron should do that if that's what he thinks is best, right? He's the top priority and he's in a free agent season. And I don't think that was ever a mistake. And so he kind of forced his way into Bronny not being on a two-way and having a guaranteed deal. And that I think adds pressure to Bronny that is unfair. It's a great opportunity. Nepotism is normal in every facet of business, but I think that might be weighing on Bronny a bit. every facet of business, but I think that might be weighing on Bronny a bit.

Well, sorry to break the news. So you wouldn't be in the NBA if no, if it wasn't for the Lakers, I don't think he would have got drafted at all to be totally honest with you. You didn't play last year. He averaged like five points. We know he went through a medical condition, which is very serious, but nobody gets this type of treatment if you're not LeBron James' son. Mo, he couldn't have been practicing with LeBron. LeBron, right, I mean, over the years, LeBron's doing Olympic shit now. Is he calling LeBron? And is LeBron calling him?

Yeah, man, I know you on your Ohio shit. I usually be on this Ohio shit with you, but we got to stop certain shit, Mo. We got certain shit we just got to stop, my nigga. Thank you, but we got to stop certain shit, bro. Certain shit, we just got to stop, my nigga. Thank you, Killer. Killer's home! Killer's home! We got to stop certain shit. LeBron is in the Olympics.

He got to worry about that. And as he called them, telling them to play, yeah, that's a fact. But what I will say is this. I didn't watch the game because the first however many games that's been going on led me to say, okay, I have this to do today. I can watch this. I gotta go do this. I'll catch the highlights. But from the

highlights, it looked really good and you gotta realize this. He did go against Imani Bates. Imani Bates shot terribly. I seen him cook Imani Bates too on the play. Shook the shit out of Imani Bates. And Imani Bates shot about 3 for 14, I believe. Bronny was 50% from the field. This was a positive game for him.

Let's see if it continues, but it's one game. And maybe he is gaining some momentum. We'll see. But as far as, like, Mo, that's another thing you said I didn't like. You was like, you know, him playing against other popular names. What more popular name in the draft this year, Mo, than it was Brawny? He's the most popular name in the whole draft this year, whether he's the best player or not the best player.

Cut that shit out, Mo. I'm telling you now, man. I fuck with Bronny and Rich Paul. You know, that's my brothers and Maverick and LeBron. I'm all my brother brothers. You know, I'm Columbus, Ohio. But we got to cut this shit. What famous names you talk about in this year's draft, Mo?

Bronny is the most famous name in this year's draft. God, my bad. Who's the most famous name in the draft this year? Pardon me if I missed them. No, by far, Bronny's the most famous name. I'm talking about he probably just been with his father over the years, whether they working out, whether they going to play in any gym. He's probably played with Chris Paul, Carmelo,

all those dudes over the years, right? So I'm pretty sure just through recreation, he's played with them, he's scored with them, and he's done things that they've probably seen and say, okay, like, Bronny has some talent. But whatever he has, it hasn't transferred to, like, the preseason and him having success in the summer league. You know what I'm saying? So I was saying, like, him scoring those 12 or 13 points,

he's probably said to himself, when I played pickup with my father or when I played around other professionals, even though it probably wasn't an intense game moment, like I know I can do this. And so I referenced myself to like just to show it's like you look for one thing to give yourself confidence to say, I can do this. You know what I'm saying?

And I'm just saying with him, I'm like, I'm pretty sure he was looking for his moment. And this may have been his moment. I do agree with Trish because I've thought that as well too. I do agree. He probably wouldn't be in the NBA right now if it wasn't for LeBron, but I do think that his NBA experience would be different if he was on his own and if that makes any sense.

But I just wanted to say that, Trish. I do kind of understand where you're coming from with that. Given that, Mo, like in the expectations on Bronny, what do you think a successful rookie of the year looks like? Just being on a team.

Like, I don't expect nothing else from him. I don't expect him to put him in for garbage time. I don't expect none of that outside of the first two or three games where you might see him on the court for a second. But successful to me for him, and this probably goes a little bit further just to what Mace said, his personal life. I don't think that you can put him out on the floor right now with all the pressure, all the expectations.

I think you need other stories and other major things to happen in sports to like bury, not bury him, but bury the story. And he doesn't feel like every time he steps on the court, he has to perform or score 20. So just being on a team, being around his father, learn how to be a pro, learn how to be a pro. To me, that's what success looks like for brawny yeah why one question i had that i keep thinking about every time i see brawny plays as soon as the lakers come out i wonder why i did not hear any of the great lakers say congratulations with brawny coming on to the lakers you would think you've heard a big spill from Magic Johnson, Kareem, Byron Scott, Michael Cooper. You just go down the list. Was Clay Thompson's dad, you know, Michael Thompson.

I haven't heard any of them say congratulations. And you would think this is like a nation. But Magic had that iconic Magic Johnson tweet. Congratulations to Bronny James on being drafted by the L.A. Lakers. A historic moment because LeBron and Bronny are the first father-son duo to play in the NBA at the same time and on the same team. Watching Bronny suit up for the Lakers during Summer League in Vegas will be must-see TV. That was probably AI.

Well, listen. I thought she had called me on the call and the killer said she was yours. I said, oh, what am I going to say to you? That was AI,

nigga. She asked a great question. What does a rookie of the year look like? Allen Iverson, LeBron James. Kevin Durant. Derrick Rose.

Even my boy that was smoking weed from the Kings. What was it? Tyrese. Luka Doncic. We know what a rookie of the year looks like. Oh, Tyreek Evans. Tyreek Evans. We know what a rookie of the year looks like.

You know what Tyreek Evans was up to, don't you? But let me ask everybody this question before we move on real quick, all three of you. Would Bronny be in the NBA if Kobe was his father? Do you think Kobe would allow this? No. Why not? Kobe's about earning everything.

I mean, Kobe sees bad work ethic immediately, and I think he would, like, disown a kid if he was trying to get off on some nepotism. No chance. Yeah, Kobe might not play the nepotism game. Yeah, Kobe would have let him come in the arena by himself. What do you think, Mace? Yeah.

I think if Kobe was his dad, Kobe would have definitely, Kobe would have cussed him out. Would Kobe allow this? Would he be in that? 100% not. Would he force Rob Palenka to make sure that his son landed on his team? What do you think, Mo? No, not at all. But what you're talking about from two different perspectives,

like both talented LeBron and Kobe, but LeBron is more business-oriented. No, I asked you a question. Here we go with the Ohio shit. I asked you one question. I didn with the ohio shit i asked you one question i didn't ask you about business orientated i did not ask you who's a more people person i didn't ask you about who's who's more likable if kobe was this man father would kobe allow this that's it trust me i want to do the ohio thing i want to do it nigga but i got a job to do rich rich notice no all right he wouldn't do it all right all right we'll move on then we won't

let any more of that go uh so yesterday the clippers traded russell westbrook to the jazz which is by the way his second time on the jazz he's played zero times on the jazz not a single game uh for a second round pick cash and chris dunn the jazz are now expected to waive russ who will then sign with the denver nuggets on a vet minimum russ was 13 for 50 13 for 50 in the playoffs against the mavs what do you guys think about the fit between Russ and the Nuggets, and do you think that Russ has anything left in the tank? Mo, what's up? Yeah, I definitely believe he has something in the tank, you know, pause, that he can come

and be, you know, a part of their second team, and he's obviously at the stage of his career where he's like, hey, man, let me join these guys. Let me go chase the ring. I didn't accomplish it or get it done with the L.A. guys over with the Clippers. So I just think respectfully when I kind of read up on the article, you know, they sent him to a place that he wanted to go and he wanted to land. And I think it's for the purpose of chasing a championship.

So I wish him well. I still think he's talented. You know, obviously when you have all of the load management and you have other superstars who can facilitate and do some of the stuff that you used to do in your younger years, he can definitely contribute. But I think I've heard Cam said a bunch when he just talked about people at the end of their careers and they become journeymen

and you end up on 55 teams before you're done and people kind of forget your legacy just because the end of your career was more about you being bounced around. And I hope that he can at some point get a championship and then people remember all the good stuff that he's done back in OKC and everywhere else. Yeah, I think I think for Russell Westbrook, he'll play much better on Denver. I know Tristan, she made notice of the 13 out of 50. But when you're getting the ball from James Harden with four seconds on the clock, you're getting the ball at 20 seconds on the clock, and you just got the ball from Kawhi,

he was just getting the ball pretty much paused in a lot of bad locations and a lot of bad timing. You know, somebody dribbled a clock out and gave you the ball with two seconds and you got to force a shot up. It's going to be much different because the spacing is better on Denver and the way they're going to play

is going to be more team-like. So I think he'll be even a better fit for them than he was at the Clippers. But I hope he win a ring. I think with him on that team, they have a better potential to win a ring. All they was missing was some fire from the second guard, and this gives them that. I don't think Russ will be playing a lot of point guard. Even though he's at the two, they'll have him bringing up the ball,

and they'll have Murray getting baskets. So I think with the ball in his hand, you'll even see flares of the old Russell Westbrook getting triple doubles and things like that, especially with somebody like Joker. What do you think, Cam? Thanks, Russ. Man, I love Russ, honestly. I'm a fan.

I love the physicality. I hope he has something left in the tank. The thing about Denver is to me, and I want to hear you guys and what you think, it feels like the Nuggets

are like the L.A. Lakers on tape delay. Like, you know, you win a championship, the roster starts to slowly diminish, the GM starts letting key guys go. You let go of KCP, and then you bring in Russ.

It's the same blueprint. You know, at least they got him on a vet minimum. I think that Russ can step in for Aaron Gordon when Aaron Gordon is sitting in that, like, dunker spot, you know? I don't think he's as suited as a guard right now in his period of his career. I think Jokic to Russ will be one hell of a duo, but I don't think a championship is coming for Denver anytime soon. I like Russ, man.

I really do. And I'm not saying it's his fault. Because listen, you got to think about this. He has the most triple doubles in NBA history. This is like over Magic Johnson and Oscar Robinson and all type of niggas.

Like, he has the most triple doubles in NBA history. And the nigga on his team is in fourth place with the most triple doubles. Yo, the Joker has 130, I believe. And I think Russ has 181, if I'm not mistaken.

But I feel bad because Russ, where he goes, you know, he could be a superstar at times, or he could be a role player at times, and it don't work with nothing. It don't work nowhere with Russ. It just don't work. This is 13 in like 18 months. Like, bro, I just feel bad because even last year with the Clippers, like 18 months like bro i just feel bad because even last year with the clippers this nigga was the one before um ty lue even said it that he'll take the bench he'll come off the bench before

ty even lue before ty ty lue even had to make a decision and i respect that from him because you know he's an all-star at times and he could be a superstar at times is he still a superstar that has to be seen. I'm not sure because I do believe he's chasing the championship as well. I think this is a great move for Denver, being that Bruce Brown is gone, KCP is gone, their first-round pick just got injured, but does it equal a championship? I don't know.

I don't know if he fits in that system. I really have no idea i really hope it works out i don't i'm sitting here trying to think of nice things to say about russ because i fuck with the nigga but it just don't seem to work anywhere that he goes and he's been around look think about this last year we have four potential hall of famers on the clippers paul george russell kawai and James Hart, and the shit didn't work out. Didn't work out with him and KD and

OKC. Didn't work out when he went to Houston with James Hart. We knew it wasn't going to work out in Washington with the Wizards. Shit just never works out over there. It just didn't work out. And I really wish that he would get with a team that could get

him uh at least back to a championship because i with him but i have to agree with trist does this seem like the recipe for them to get back to a championship i don't think so because when it comes to kcp and bruce brown and i'm not sure about the first round draft pick they got they were more role players and when we see rus Russell Westbrook as a role player, I don't necessarily like it because he was kind of Ja Morant before Ja Morant. You know what I'm saying? That's how we still look at him.

So when he's trying to be passive, and I'll be like, Russell's explosive. Don't be, you know, when the niggas try to pass you gently, like, yo, my nigga, you a wild nigga. You know, a nigga just trying to fit in and he's on the on the sideline cheering and all that

and I be like I dig it you trying to be a good teammate my nigga but that ain't the Russell Westbrook that I grew up not grew up cause he's younger than me got accustomed to seeing so I hope it works out and I like Denver a lot but I have to agree with Trish y'all niggas don't want to pay y'all niggas

letting Bruce Brown go y'all niggas let KCP go. Dumb niggas is key pieces to y'all championship. And more importantly, Bruce Brown, because you see what happened last year when he didn't play with y'all niggas. Now, don't get it fucked up. We seen the emergence of Ant-Man. You know what I'm saying? That might have something to do with it. But Bruce Brown was really a key piece coming off that bench. I don't think this equals anything for Denver getting back to the championship.

I like Denver a lot. Hopefully they do because I like to see them play. But I don't think adding Russ is going to put them over the top. Well, the issue too is Calvin Booth was talking smack about Bruce Brown

and then this and lost him. Said basically, we've got another guy, a young guy that comes in, more athletic. Let the audience know who Calvin Booth is. Calvin Booth, GM of the Denver Nuggets comes in and says, hey, we don't need Bruce Brown. He can go. And he went.

And they got worse. And now he comes out, talks smack about KCP, basically says, hey, we don't need KCP. If we move on without him, all good. And then KCP took the exact same money that Denver offered him. He's like, oh, you're good without me? We're going to see.

Yeah, but see, let's think about this too. Who was the GM when everybody was there? When they picked up? Tim Connolly. Exactly. Who's the GM now? Minnesota. Exactly. He built he GM now? Minnesota. Exactly.

He built a team together. He put a team together on Minnesota to take out the Denver Nuggets. Meanwhile, while the Denver Nuggets team, the Denver Nuggets GM is stubborn and hard-headed, Tim Connolly said, I know who I put on this team. Now I know who I got to put on this team

to beat y'all niggas. And he did it kind of quick too. Pause. Hey, y'all talking about consistency. It seemed like Utah keep reneging on Russell Westbrook. This is the second time he got traded to Utah, and they let him be bought out. But, you know, he might be telling niggas,

you could try it if you want. You could try it if you want, nigga. I'm not showing up, nigga. You might as well figure this out now. Well, remember, Utah was the place that Russ got into it with a fan, where the fan was calling him all kinds of racial slurs. So I don't think Russ would ever be a fit with the Utah Jets. Let me see.

They called him a nigga. She said slurs. She can't say it. No matter how much chopped cheese it's not gonna happen they call him russ a nigga i got you tris it was a hard er though it was a hard nigga all right let's move in speaking of the hard er the reviews are in for the new Donald Sterling Clipper show. What a transition. And they are mixed,

which got me thinking about movies and shows. My favorite sports movie of all time is not going to be a surprise. It's Love and Basketball. That's just what it was. That was the end. Storybook ending. We women playing basketball all had. But I wanted to know

what you guys' GOAT sports movie or show is. What are your thoughts, Mo? It's not one show. It's like a series of shows. But the most enjoyable show, my favorite show, is All Access. And it's like the parallels of, I think, like if you just came up, came from the hood, or if you came up in music, came up in sports, or just how they follow the boxers,

I always find it intriguing like their backstories and just everything that they did before they got to like some significant fight. Like I just always enjoyed that. It was between that and I don't know if this is really a sports show, but I liked Higher Learning, and they had an element of track in it with Omar Epps. I'm not really sure if that was a sports show, but those were two shows. Yeah, that wasn't no sports show, Mo.

Higher Learning was racist, man. Mo, you wildin', Mo. Well, he was running track, though. Keep cooking, keep cooking, Mo. No, but I enjoy All Access. All Access is probably my favorite sports show yeah um

all access is that the same as 24-7 they changed it from 24-7 to all access yeah 24-7 was dope

and all access my one of my favorite um basketball movies was um what was that above the rim with Tupac

that was one of my favorite above the rim with tupac that was one of my favorite above the rim but if i was talking about a show or or a movie i would say come fly with me because after joy may come fly with me i've never met anybody that watched this movie that didn't go outside and play basketball right away i'm so mad you said love and basketball because i've never seen love and basketball and me and sin argue twice a week that he wants me to see love and basketball he says cam how don't you see love and basketball and i'm like i'm not watching love and basketball it's just a fight like like if we accumulated the hours per week of him trying to get me to watch love and basketball might add up to like 12 hours per week of why i'm not watching love

and basketball first of all i'm not watching no basketball movie where the star cannot play basketball i'm not doing that i don't i'm not watching the nigga where he made he dribbled once and then the next scene he just in the air like this. White man can't jump. I can't watch that. I can't fuck with it. You know, like even above the rim, at least the nigga had a little ha, ha, ha, ha. You know what I'm saying? Like, I can't watch.

I cannot watch a movie where a nigga do a move and the camera go to the crowd. The next thing, he's just hanging on the rim like, I'm not doing'm not doing that my nigga i can't i don't care how good the storyline is you gotta get a nigga that knows how to play basketball i just can't do it if you ask me my two favorite sports movies or shows is oh you're actually my favorite it's actually two i'm gonna go with the last dance the last dance came on at a key time during the pandemic. There was no sports on. ESPN was about to show dice games in a minute because shit was not going on. The pandemic was happening, and then, bam,

The Last Dance fucking comes on, and it's fucking amazing. Ten shows. We get to see shit about Michael Jordan. I'm a Michael Jordan fan. Grew up watching him. Shit about him. We already knew the nigga was fucking a bug out, but you get to see how much of a bug out he is.

And when I say a bug out, how much he wants to win. And that's why I kind of asked the Kobe Bryant question earlier because Kobe's a bug out. God bless the dad. Nothing bad when I mean that. A better word so y'all understand me is intense when it comes to winning. Those niggas is intense.

And that was a great time to put out the last years. But my number one sports show, movie, whatever you want to call it ever is Hoop Dreams. Hoop Dreams is fucking amazing. If y'all people never seen Hoop Dreams, make sure you get a chance to go see hoop dreams hoop dreams is probably the first reality show ever a lot of people don't even look at it like that this is probably the first reality show whether i'm not just talking about basketball i'm talking about

anything reality show it's based upon two kids out of chicago who trying to get to the NBA. But whoever wrote and directed this movie, I can't think off the top of my head, had a vision and they were smart. They followed these kids from ninth grade to 12th grade, from 1988 to 1992. And you get to see everything behind the scenes, how they owned welfare, how they lived in Cabrini Green and the projects.

Somebody else lived on, the other kid lived on the west side of Chicago. One of the kid's father, Arthur Agee, was on crack. You see him buying crack. You see the mother, welfare checks was probably, I think she said $214 a month.

She had three kids at the time. Their lights went out. They went in the house with candles. Meanwhile, these kids are going to school. They're getting robbed. It was just an excellent movie

and you actually see them grow up in the movie from ninth to twelfth grade. One of the kids ended up going to junior college. The other kid went to Marquette. But it was phenomenal. That's my favorite movie, Hoop Dream. I haven't seen it, but it makes my love in basketball seem kind of trivial. Yeah, like, yeah, Hoop Dream.

That shit turned into Legos, like Nerf. You got to watch Hoop Dreams when you get a chance, you'll love it, though. Mo, speaking of that, what athlete do you think should get the next last dance treatment? This was, and I don't know, this is kind of personal. I want to see an in-depth look at Carmelo Anthony. Pause. But I just remembered, you know, we all around the same age.

You want to end up. Love. That's all you want more. I was just trying to get where I'm coming from. I was hoping that, you know, him and LeBron came up at the same time. And you know, he went to Syracuse his freshman year, that was my freshman year at Ohio State. And a lot of his career, I don't want to say overshadowed by LeBron. But a lot of his, the earlier years, they were overshadowed.

And like, I just don't think like people realize how special he was and i guess i probably paid attention more to him and lebron because we all around the same age uh but i just like you know 30 for 30s used to be a thing and people would go in depth and talk about their stories and you know you would figure out and find out more about them but like if i if i wanted to sit down and a person i used to enjoy watch playing basketball and i enjoyed his career in denver and everywhere else that he went and i even like the thing that he's doing uh what the dude did the 7 p.m in brooklyn show that he's doing um i would like to see like just a uh documentary or storytelling of some sorts of uh

just his story because like i don't know like i know i think he's from baltimore but it's a lot that he affiliates himself with new york so i don't know which one he's from you know what i'm saying but i would just like to hear his whole story you know just in an in-depth uh capacity yeah um when they come to athletes i think one one athlete there's a lot of stories about it doesn't seem like anybody really knows him um they say he was better than Jordan, but he never really got to play in the NBA and that slim bias. I would definitely love to see a in-depth story about him because it seemed like people had so much to say about him.

I didn't have the opportunity to see him play a lot. But when you hear people say he was better at Jordan and then he makes it to the league and get high and get and commit and get an overdose, you know, the day the day after getting signed. Oh, sorry, man. Yeah. Getting an overdose the day after.

Sorry about that. Yeah. Overdosing the day after being drafted is a crazy story. So and then you see a lot of people win his number and different things like that. and the day after being drafted is a crazy story. And then you see a lot of people weighing his number and different things like that, Kevin Durant and different people. So I definitely will want to know more about that story. I'm going to be honest with you. I'm a little disappointed that y'all didn't say the greatest show,

the greatest movie of all time is Clubber Lang. Rocky, right? Nobody said Rocky. Come on, man. Rocky, right? Nobody said Rocky. Man, Rocky? Y'all didn't pick Rocky? You ever see Hoot Dreams? Hoot Dreams is very real.

Rocky! Maybe I just like that real shit. Rocky is great. Yeah, Rocky was great. I don't fuck with Rocky after Rocky 3. After Rocky 3. 3 after Rocky 3 maybe like Rocky 4 cause you know why and I'm not mad at the nigga

I'm not mad at the nigga the nigga Sylvester Sylvester Stallone but ain't he a nigga that know how to milk the system I just said wasn't this a Rambo out last year I'm not watching the Rambo Rambo came out 1979 now he's still out here fucking out last year. I'm not watching the Rambo. Rambo came out in 1979.

How are we still out here fucking niggas up? I'm not watching. I talked to Sid about this too. I'm not watching the new Rambo. I'm just not doing that, man. I'm just not. But I do fuck with Rocky after Rocky IV. I'm just not doing it.

But, you know. I was talking about one and two. I was talking about Clubber Lang and if he dies, he dies. Clubber Lang is not in one or two. Larry, you don't even know what you're talking about. Apollo's in one and two. Clubber Lang and if he dies, he dies. Clubber Lang is not in one or two, Larry. You don't even know what you're talking about. Apollo's in one and two. Clubber Lang is three.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. My bad. You don't even know what you like, nigga. My bad. Try to jump in here. I was saying Clubber Lang, Apollo, and Ivan Dragos. Yeah. Those are the three.

Come on, man. Yo, maybe you got to watch Who Dreams again. That shit come on right now, man. Who Dreams. Yo, my nigga, it's is deep and it's it's fucking and it's real it's real you know i'm saying i'm not saying i wasn't a kid you got right i realized rocky 3 came out when i was six so i wasn't even born i don't think for the first rocky one so i'm not knocking you i liked it but if you watch who dreams man that shit is

that shit is cringy at certain parts of the movie. And then at the same time, we grew up in that shit. That's right. We actually grew up in that same environment that those kids grew up in in Chicago. To me, Chicago is so parallel to New York, not just as far as people, but as far as landscape, subways, trains, skyscrapers, uptown, downtown, whatever. You know what I'm saying? East side. Right.

West side. And everybody that we grew up with had a hoop dream. Right. So that was definitely where it was. And it was dangerous. They kind of taught us what not to do. Right. I don't know if anybody's, if anybody is, if anybody's worthy of 10 episodes, the answer to the question,

but I would like to see something on Ronnie Fields. That was like Kevin Garnett's high school teammate. And they say he's supposed to be like the next Jordan, et cetera, et cetera. This, then the third. And he just, he he from the highlights, he was amazing. But he got into a car accident and his career never panned out to be what it was. All right, well, we're going to

go to break when we return. We'll discuss why professional athletes keep making the same mistake over and over and over again. I'm talking about Trayvon Diggs and his baby mama. Don't go anywhere. She called this thing about toxic Four years and counting Got you feeling like an option Maybe I'm my own problem, babe She tired of hearing, I don't know

What's happening, me won't fall Dealing with this thing called trust She's out of here and I don't know. What's happening to me won't fall. Dealing with this thing called trust. But she really thinking about it. She want to be free. Why am I in this one? She want to be free. All right, welcome back. It's time to go over our underdog fantasy picks of the day.

Let's go to the NBA. Underdog has 39-year-old LeBron James. Season-long points set at 25.7 points per game this year. Mace, do you have it higher or lower? Lower. Cam? Higher. Anthony Davis ain't taking this team over.

Speaking of which, speaking of which, underdog has Anthony Davis season-long rebounds at 12.1 rebounds per game. Do you have it higher or lower, Mace? It's Cam, go. Yeah. Lower? Lower.

I don't know, man. LeBron's his longevity is pretty damn good feels like you're right Anthony Davis is going to be able to be able to get the production

not with J.J. Redick saying that they're putting up top five threes per game also Mo has a personal question for the guys yeah

I had two questions but I'm going to go with the question that's kind of like in the spirit of the show. And I know you talked about Ronnie Fields, Cam, and like they're just people who, you know, had the ability to be probably better than the person who ended up making it from the era. but I was just thinking to myself, was this somebody that y'all came up with through the music scene, right? Sometimes athletes get hurt, they get injured or whatever, but is it somebody who had, like, skills and talents in both for whatever reason that, you know, they just didn't make it for whatever reason? It was just a random question. That's a great question. Mason don't give nobody credit.

Mason's like, I don't even know a nigga like this. He's like, can't call him. What I will say is this. It's a guy. And I'll pick this. It's a lot of people in Harlem. A lot of great people in harlem well and we we went through this on yeah billy and wallow show and other people show

it's a lot of great people but what i'll say is this to me and this is a strong statement uh i lived in chicago and to me they may have the best lyricists i'm in louisiana i'm talking about as far as lyricists like we don't we really take for granted because um now you know new york used to call people country or west coast whatever it was not my era like in the 80s yeah early 90s and then respected but you know even thinking about little wayne if you get on one record with little wayne you got to be careful you have to the little wayne will go crazy you're on record with evan now y'all be careful you know these niggas are really lyricists so it's a guy who passed away his name was frog from chicago on the west side shout out to everybody on the west side chicago k-town i actually my man twister posted a picture of me him the day when i was actually in Chicago with them. But he was really, really good.

He's from K-Town. Shout out to my guy, Duke. And they were fucking amazing. I think, you know, even though I had a deal when I was living up there, I used to get into cyphers and rap with, like, fucking, like, I didn't have a deal

because they were really hungry and they kind of pushed the envelope. Also a dude named Young Buck, not the one that was down with G-Unit. He was from Chicago. Me, him, and Twista actually have a song together. Damn, was it Go-Getters, the name of his crew? I can't remember, but he was really nice, too.

You want to Google the record. It's called Adrenaline Rush, too, me, Twista, and Young Buck. But I think Chicago artists are really, really underrated as far as uh rap is concerned so rp frog um yeah um we yeah we did talk about this on gillian walla there's so many people i think from holland that was really really good you got you got trooper j you got mike boogie You got Trooper J. You got Mike Boogie. You got who else was really good that I can remember?

Even if you think about the Bronx party already. I remember people like that. A.G. That was with showbiz. That was really good. And then there was a lot of finesse, too. Yeah. Lord finesse. Then there was this group called the Bounce Squad. I remember when I was coming home from school in ninth grade or eighth grade, I used to always listen to Bounce Squad. So shout out to Doo-Wop and all of them. That was a group that had a lot of good. Yeah. Yeah, they was really fire.

All right, let's get into the news. No, go ahead, Mo. Let's do it. No, hold on. What did you want to say, Mo? Yeah, so just to build on that question, and I know this is a broad statement or a broad question, but what separates some people from being able to transition and break through with that talent than others?

And I say that that comes from a that's a loaded question because i get so many people who either send me music or hey can you pass this to here and i just tell y'all again like i don't pass music that's not my relationship with these guys uh but i be listening to people's stuff and i say man it's people who are good but i was like in the music world and athletic world i know how people either you know make it or don't like i can identify that but just as a broad statement that maybe like good feedback for people or something that y'all saying like what made you all you and then other people who may not have gotten through if stuff like that makes sense i went first last okay yeah no i was wondering i didn't want to jump in front of you.

Pause. So I said pause. Yeah. What makes the difference between a lyricism, a goddess, a lyricist, and the people that normally break through. Sometime you have that it that is just you don't lose that. You either got it or you don't have it they could put a budget behind you it's just different people that come in a room and they light up the room and there's people that command attention other people don't command attention

and it's not just wearing yellow hair or blue hair or doing weird stuff it's just you you know when there's one of those people in the room, and they're different. They're unique. They're not like nobody else. Like when I wasn't even speaking to Cam and I would hear his records, I'm like, yo, this nigga Killer is going crazy. And at that point, I was mad with the nigga.

I'm like, yo, that nigga killing is going crazy right now. One time I was coming from church, right? And he had the pink. Yeah, this is when he was wearing the pink. He had the pink first. Somebody showed me the John's like, man, I want to see that. I was like, yeah, that's how you're supposed to do it. You know what I'm saying?

And I said that because when you really have something, it don't matter if people like you or not. They know you got something for us. And I think that's the difference. Like with today, a lot of people sound the same. When I heard Lil Wayne, he was different. And I think people don't put enough stock into being unique and being originals the originals always lasted the time and the copies don't yeah um and thanks merla i appreciate that man it's hard to get a compliment on this one. I appreciate it, man.

But, yeah, Mace made a great point. It's like an it factor. You know when you have it. and I'll just use Mace for an example, but I want to say

another thing after this. It's like, you know, even right now, like Mace was Mace murder, Mace Mussolini. Mace used to say, I lay you on the ground and grass

with roses all around your ass. You know, that's the type of time he used to, you know, with the niggas setting up a homicide right in front of Mama's Friday. You know, that's the time he used to be on. And then he did, he got signed a bad boy and he did the 112 remix and the bitches liked them and puff said get that may murder shit away from us you gotta get that we don't got time for laying a nigga in the ground the grass and roses all around. That's when I discovered Mace. See, that's when Puff knew it.

That's when I had him on the wall. Yeah, and you was in Portland? Yeah. This is what Puff was saying. He's like, we can infiltrate white America. Gingerbread. And that's when they could see that you got something different but to me

just me personally because I like lyrics and I sign artists not no more but I use sign artists too I ain't got time to sign because your problems

become they problems they fucked up you gotta everything always happens they rent is your rent yeah man shit is crazy but

you just know if they have an effect. Like even when, you know, I'll use Jewel's, for example. You know, I met Jewel's. He was spitting. I met him through a friend of mine named Tove that I went to school with. And then when I started bringing him around, this is when I learned, when I started to learn who kind of got it because I wasn't looking at,

and still don't, don't get this fucked up i'm about to say as saying you know the girls might like him the females might like him because at that time i would work with females and they like kim he's like that and he's cute he cute fuck you talking about you on his dick you know that was my mentality at the time but you have to look at shit like that when you're signing artists. So I thought he had everything. He could rap. And not just rap.

You got to know how to make songs. You know how to make hooks. You got to know how to count your bars. You get rappers, they don't know how to count their bars. They don't even know how many 16s or 8s or 12s or whatever. They don't even know how to count bars. And he had the whole package for it. So I liked him a lot.

But Mo, for me, what separates good people, good musicians, or how do you say it with rappers? Good rappers from bad rappers is knowing how to make songs. And of course, the if factor that me and Mase talked about. But I love people who know how to bounce on the beat and still compound their words. When I say compound their words, a lot of people don't pay attention to people who compound their words.

So like, if you sit there and be like, we're going to the fight tonight and it's be all right. Like this is, you know what I'm saying? Like that's not really that intricate. And then we're going to be hype. Do what you like. You know what I'm saying? Like, compounding words, like I just said,

what Mase said, lay you on the ground of grass with roses all around your ass pores. Like, it's syllables that's all matching. You know what I'm saying? Like, you tie dynamite to the rhino type of wino might find your site. Sell the information for a dime or white. That China, China.

I'm behind the diner selling marijuana to a minor, minor elder felder looking for that shine, I shine. That's old killer. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? When you compound and it can do it and still can bounce and it fit, I be like, niggas, it's nice. I don't be fucking with the one syllable rappers like that.

Only maybe Prodigy didn't have to do that, and I was a super duper fan. Outside of that, if you ain't really compounding your words and making it sound good in Stilka, you all right, you can make a song, but you ain't going in the lyricism book with me like that. You gotta be able to compound your words. so if that's the test to you then how many west coast hip-hop artists fit that mold because i feel like as someone who grew up on the west coast that was much more of

like an east coast flavor right but at the west time we respect the culture too you know i'm saying we understand that that that ain't what they grew up in and you got to respect what they grew up in it and that's a great fucking question right there because a lot of them don't compound their words, but it's also the environment that comes with it. Like when you listen to that, we grew up listening to N.W.A. We was like, that nigga Eazy-E,

this nigga telling bitch to suck my dick and don't bite it. You know, we were like, nah, I know them again, just put out an album full of that shit. You know what I'm saying? It was more impressed on what the fuck these niggas were

saying, like, nah, get the fuck out of here, B. Snoop Dogg, too, you know what I'm saying? Name of the album was Doggy Style. Dr. Dre, this shit was the chronic. We was like, yo, these niggas is amazing. You know what I'm saying? So that's how I looked at them as well.

That was a great question. Yeah, and another part that make rappers good is that, Mo, is that they want to be better than everybody else. That's something you got to really search for these days. It's a lot of people just want to be one of the ones, but you could tell by us and other people that he named and I named,

they're people that want to be the best. Dallas Cowboy Corner, Trayvon Diggs, and his soon-to-be baby mama, Joao Chavez? That's not a real name, right? It's Joy. Joy? That's what I thought.

Just broke up. She's confirmed it real name, right? It's Joy. Joy? That's what I thought. Just broke up. She's confirmed it on Instagram to one of her commenters. For those who don't know, Trayvon's ex already has a 13-year-old with little Bow-wow. Bow-wow. And a five-year-old with Future. This is a common thing. This is a thing. I don't understand how this is a thing.

I feel like you see the pattern. the red flags are right there flashing little babies you know they want milk and all kinds of toys and it's right there right in front of your eyes you see future coming around you see bow wow coming around but you still do it um mo when will these guys learn and why why does this keep happening how do they find them all also trolling gentrify right there i don't i don't understand the thrill that these guys are getting guys again. Kind of nasty as thriller they get. Yeah. I just grew up with

too much pride, too much ego. And I was raised by just different people. And like we used to. This is this is recreation. This is fun. This is fun.

But you know, I'm saying that's all. And fun buzz. That's all it is. But it's recreation. This is fun. This is fun buns. You know what I'm saying? That's all it is. Fun buns. That's all it is, man. It's recreation. And when I sit here and we said something last year, he had took it personal. And a lot of guys and just a lot of young dudes in general, and I go to speak to a lot of colleges and sometimes when you're trying to educate and lighten, a lot of these guys take things personal like you're trying to criticize them.

And it's like, no, we're not trying to criticize you. But when you are a phenomenal athlete, multimillion dollar man, there's a lot of people who have come before you who can say, hey, man, you know, we've been down the road with these type of women or these type of people. And this is how it's played out. And you also have a script of like how things have played out to this point and then they get to a point where you're not with this girl you have a baby with this girl and i hope that the child comes out healthy and everything like that and then you end up in a situation where you're like you're going back to the tape and saying man i could have probably learned something from these dudes or listen to him like she was supposed to be fun recreation something to talk about and And he's supposed to speed on. You know what I'm saying?

He's supposed to choose Kentucky or one and done. That's what you're saying. Or once in a while. That's it. Yeah. This entertainment. That's it. You wasn't supposed to go in there and get a souvenir later.

No. Yeah. Nah, man. He went to an amusement park and came out with a souvenir. That's what you're trying to say. But it's a pattern. Yeah, I just hope he takes it, like, he took it personal last time, but I hope he has enough life experience right now.

Like, I know we joke, right? But then I'm telling you, there's people who hit me up and say, yo, I've got, like, something wise out of something that I've heard on the show, right? And I hope that he can just have an honest moment with himself and say, man, like, I like i up you know and i've done something with somebody who i probably if i could think about it again i probably wouldn't do the same thing again yeah he he came at cam you know like me i i personally not personally but you could say personally have been around her so I know that she seemed to be a good person.

Oh, yeah. You, dude. You was out. No, not me. I mean, you saw she was on the boat with Puff. Then she was with Trayvon. Then she was with Wow. Future.

So he had enough he had enough images for him to know to make a better choice and I don't want to joke about it because this is

you know once you get the baby involved and you start saying it's your blessing so you take that part of it and take the blessing

so you got to take the lesson as well and don't put yourself in that position again I really do want to know is it like when you're dating a celebrity as a woman and then like you go to a party and then you get like a couple of other celebrities numbers? Like, how do you continue to grow your circle of influence of backburners? Let me give my opinion real quick. Yeah, influence of backburners is crazy.

Well, Mace, real quick, because I want to chime in because I didn't get a take on it. I'm sorry. No, you're fine. Mace doesn't want to joke about it. I do, nigga. I told you. You didn't want to listen to me. You talk shit about me when I said it, nigga.

I told you, dumbass, nigga. I don't care about being your friend. Moe and Mace want to be nice about it. When I told you this shit, you told me I need to shut up. My old ass don't know what I'm talking about. Look at you now. You know what's more fucked up, nigga? Is that she did it on Instagram. She don't even got the

courtesy to keep shit tucked away. Keep it low. Say we're going to handle this like adults and co-parent. I told you, nigga, and you tried to play me. Don't get no attitude with me. Now you got to, look, you was going to bump into niggas anyway now one thing i will say is i know bow i know future like they ran into a couple females together

before you know they have they got the same taste i guess you know and i'm my niggas too but you know i don't think that bow and going to respect you as a baby father. They probably clam. Look, the nigga Bow Wow called Russell Wilson, Sierra's, I forget what the fuck he said, the way he said it, but he said, Sierra's some shit, basically saying, like, I can't remember when J.D.,

when Jermaine Dupri was up here talking about this. Make a long story short, he's disrespectful. Says Sierra's like little niggas, some shit like that. They don't give a fuck, my nigga. Look, what's her name, Joy? Joy. Now I get that check and give about your business. You don't fuck with none of these niggas.

I respect it. You respect the jokes? Yo, because at the end of the day, look, I'm not saying she ain't never liked none of these niggas. But look, because you know why? Murder, because I be sitting there thinking about that shit and I be like, yo. And I'm not talking about presently.

I meet a female and be like, yo, you know, my kids need a little bit of this and my kids, you know, camp is coming up and school is about to happen. And, you know, if we could get a little bit of this and my kids, you know, camp is coming up and school is about to happen and, you know, if we could get a little bit of help and they need,

you know, they want to go on a trip and this, that, you know, I like you. I ain't got to like that for you like that because they ain't my kids.

But at least she won't have them problems. You ain't going to have to hear that from her. You ain't going to have to hear if she get in the next relationship that her kids need help doing anything. So I give that joy and i don't got no problem with what you're doing niggas pull out game they can't get out of there huh

they cannot get out of that joint pull out game is weak sorry tris but nigga tried to come for me yeah yeah it's not a sprint homie it's a marathon man and look where we're at that's wild i have a solution for um all young athletes and uh i think it would help it's called thought protection and so you essentially at 17 18 we'll call it 18 real quick you say thought a thought thought okay like the acronym okay got acronym the thought protection and you get a vasectomy at 18 but before you do you uh you donate all your sperm to separate locations around the world, like diversifying your assets. And you don't tell a soul.

What? You don't tell a soul at all. And then when you're ready to settle down, then you figure out how to make it happen, whether that's reversing it, whether that's doing it artificially. There's all kinds of technology when you have that kind of money.

And that saves you. And you don't tell her, and you don't pull out, and you hit her raw and it's all good and she thinks she's gonna catch you she thinks she's gonna catch you but guess what bitch you got got because i am let me tell you something two things two things two things right two things first thing, I can't let a nigga snip nothing down there and feel too good. I don't know. I know you're supposed to get the same feeling. It ain't connected, but I can't risk it.

Secondly, I've told bitches that I try to act like this pregnant by me that I had a vasectomy. And I was like, it ain't mine because I don't have a vasectomy. And they like, oh, word. Yeah. I say, yo, that's worth the blood. That's worth the blood, y'all. That's worth the blood. And when I say blood, my cousin, not a game word.

I swear on everything I love. Then you could see on they face, like, oh, all right. You ain't got no respect for me I'm on my phone right now paperwork that's how you know the bitch they be like now they gotta reconsider the whole shit

yeah exactly know what I did last Halloween y'all not last Halloween last two April Fools ago. Three April Fools ago, yeah. I said, yeah, I called a couple of my chicks I was messing with. April Fool, they all know it's April Fool. Yeah.

I said, I just left the doctor. Is there something you want to talk to me about? He said, what? I said, listen, I'm not going to play with you. I just left the doctor. Is there something you want to talk to me about? And they're like, oh, my God, let me go get myself checked out and see what's going on.

Bitch, you out here. They didn't even argued back well I don't know what's going on because I ain't been with nobody else all three chicks I checked we was like let me just go check get checked out and see what's going on yeah that's why that's why Trayvon you gotta play these games when you when you go into a female house that don't have a son, a brother, a significant other that they're usually dealing with,

first thing you do if you're going to spend the night, check for pee stains around the toilet. Like your shit always splashing. That's what I do. If I'm going to take my socks off in your house, I'm checking if there's pee stains.

If pee stains, and I ask, yo, your brother been here? You got a son? No. You got a boyfriend usually come over no they won't stop lying

they always fucking lie they always lying bro and they'll lie and lie and lie till you can't they can't stop you'll catch them

so I like that man I used it without even having to get that sorry I'm just trying to school some of you niggas on the little techniques.

Just keep yourself safe out there. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. That's a lot. Like, you have a lot of tactics. Listen, I've been around a long time, man. Hey, yo, listen, man.

I don't always have permission to talk about what me and Mace did, but shit started off early. Pre-preacher. Yeah, yeah, listen, man. I don't always have permission to talk about what me and Mace did, but it just started off early. Pre-preacher. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, right before Malcolm X and all that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, man.

So ESPN just put out a controversial list of the top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL taken from a survey of coaches, executives, and scouts. The list is full of surprises besides Patrick Mahomes. Pat Mahomes, one. Joe Burrow, two. Josh Allen, three. Lamar Jackson, four. Matthew Stafford, five. Stafford, five. Matthew Stafford, Justin Herbert, six. CJ Stroud, seven. Aaron Rodgers, dusty bones, and one half of an Achilles at eight.

Jared Goff can't play outdoors at nine. And Dak Prescott, 10. A lot of takeaway from this list. But the top takeaway is that Jalen Hurts, the 2022 MVP runner-up, not on the top 10. Is this list valid, Mo? One, I would put him, and I put everybody over Dak Prescott. You know, I say that jokingly, but seriously,

just because I don't like the Cowboys. But on a more serious note, I was trying to view it how the NFL execs viewed it when they were probably thinking about pure quarterback. And there's a lot of people who don't view him as a pure quarterback. He may have the best chance of winning next year, be it with the pieces with Saquon Barkley, the receivers that he has and the team that they have coming back. He may have the best chance with making it to the Super Bowl

and going deep in the playoffs. But I was asking myself, outside of Dak Prescott, who would I basically put him over? And I couldn't say anybody. And that's no knocks to jail and hurts, because I do believe that they'll go deep into the playoffs. But when I was looking at just like pure quarterbacks and not as him as somebody who had the supporting cast with A.J. Brown and Paris Campbell and Devontae Smith, I would say the same thing. I would say that he probably wouldn't crack the top 10 outside of Dak Prescott.

Yeah, I definitely don't think Pres top 10 outside of Dak Prescott. Yeah, I definitely don't think Prescott should have been on this list at all. I think Jalen Hurts is somewhere like number eight. He would be number eight on my list. I would start with Pat Mahomes. I definitely would

go Joe Burrows second. I would put Lamar Jackson over Josh Allen. And Matthew Stafford wouldn't be five for me. Aaron Rodgers would be five for me. Six, I would go Justin Herbert. Then C.J. Stroud. Then, you know, the rest.

I really don't like Jared Goff at all. I know some people are high on him. Him and Dak, you could just take totally off that list for me. And I just think they don't win when it's time to win. And that's just like a deal breaker for me. You can't say you're a good quarterback and you can't win big games. I would even put the quarterback of the 49ers over Dak

and Jarrett because he's not on that list as well. He's on CBS list. It's a few different lists out. But no, you're right. Yeah, I just heard he wasn't on it and he would be over Jarrett and Dak for me because

he was able to manage the game. I'm sitting here looking at this while I'm talking to you guys. I got a real problem with, and I think he's talented. I think he's going to be probably a top five in the next year or two. But we got to give, I'm not putting cj stroud on this list like he had a sensational year last year it was sensational but god damn yo like my nigga we always be a prisoner of the fucking moment do it again nigga like god damn you can't just have one good year and nigga make the top 10. Now, I'm even going to put Dak ahead of C.J. Strout because, listen,

Dak has years of playing football, and even though they haven't got out with a hump and haven't really done shit in the playoffs, C.J. Strout played one year, bro, and you got him over fucking Jalen Hurts, Aaron Rodgers, Dak Prescott. And I'm no Dak Prescott fan by far at all. I'm definitely not one of them niggas. But everything else, I just can't. And I think he's going to be sensational. But you got to do it again.

That's my only problem with this list. However you want to put everybody in order, that's your cup of tea. But I think Jalen Hurts definitely needs to be on this list. I don't know what order he should be in, but I'm taking CJ Stroud out and putting him 11th before I put him on the top list,

10th list after one year. And listen, you're my nigga too. I'll fuck with you. The only thing we want to tell you is same thing we told Trayvon. Be careful, nigga. And'll fuck with you. Only thing we want, we want to tell you is same thing. We told Trayvon, be careful. And Burrow Scooby, make you take a home.

And that's all we had to tell you. You're going to be sensational, but I can't put you on the top 10 list based upon one year. ESPN's list also groups, Burrow, Lamar and Josh Allen together. Lamar, and Josh Allen together. Lamar actually below Josh Allen. Burrow has been to a Super Bowl.

He's the only one to beat Mahomes. Lamar, two-time MVP, cannot seem to win the big game. Josh Allen, great regular season numbers, just lost his number one receiver. Mo, how long can these three go and maintain top five status without winning a Super Bowl? That's rough. I actually think one of those three, or one of those three, and including, what is his name, Pat Mahomes will win the Super Bowl. And I'm actually, what is the name, Pat Mahomes will win the Super Bowl. And I'm actually betting on Joe Burrows to be the one to get back there and do it the best.

I think at some point if he stays healthy, and I see that they put some pieces around him with the offensive line, I think that the Bengals, just my personal opinion, have the ability to make another championship run and get Joe Burrows back there. I don't think Josh Allen's going to do it up in, what is it called, Buffalo. And Lamar Jackson, you know, what can you say? Lamar Jackson is, I don't want to say he's similar to Dak Prescott

and needing to win that, needing to go on a championship run and get there. They were just a game away. And who did they lose? I think they lost to Detroit. They were getting ready to play Detroit, something like that. I forget. My thoughts have jumbled thinking about last season. But I don't know.

I think it's going to happen with Joe Burrows. I think that's what I'm saying. And I don't know where Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen may fall. There's other kids coming up who may take those top five spots. But my bet is that joe burrow will be the one to make it happen and you know we won't even have this conversation yeah i totally i totally disagree with you mo i think in the next two years they they will stay on this list for about two more years and then they'll realize they was just in the pat mahomes

era that you you were supposed to get one but you was just in the Pat Mahomes era. You were supposed to get one, but you was just in an era with an extraordinary quarterback. Not that you couldn't have been better on some nights, but this is one of those times where you just, you were in the league at the wrong time. I actually agree with both you guys. That was going to be my exact take. They're kind of like

Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, John Stockton. You're just in the Michael Joy never. And that's kind of what's going on. Mo,

the Ohio shit is seeping through the screen today, nigga. I feel like. I love it, though. I love it. What part of Ohio is Joe Burrows from? Well, he's from, it's three connections. He's from Athens, went to Ohio State.

He ended up going to LSU, obviously, but he's playing for Cincinnati. He's from Athens. Okay, Athens, all right. Yeah, but listen, I want to agree for Cincinnati. He's from Athens. Okay, Athens. That's right. Listen, I want to agree with you. Trust me. I was arguing with Mace about Joe Burrows. Because still, to this day, Joe Burrows on a one-on-one

against Patrick Mahomes is still up when they're playing one-on-one. My only problem with Joe Burrows is health. And I can't sit here and say this for other players and not say it for him when I say the best ability is availability. And when you're not available, you're just not available.

And he's not available more times than not when it counts. Like you said, look, we think about this. First season, the guy hurt. Second season, come back, he goes to the fucking Super Bowl. The next season, he comes back, he's hurt. Then he comes back and tries to hop around last year because he went and got that $275 million contract, if I'm not mistaken.

So he's never there. When he's healthy, he gets to the Super Bowl. But it's about health. I'm not saying he can't be just as good as patrick mahomes but if you're not healthy i can't compare it so uh it might be the patrick mahomes era we need to figure out how to keep joe burrow healthy so i can't agree with you mo mo what's the difference between Josh Allen and Dak Prescott? What is the difference? Josh Allen is going to get less scrutiny because he plays in the Buffalo market.

But they're both the same people to me. You know, you don't get it done. You don't go to the big game. It's the same people to me. You don't think it's turnovers by Dak? Josh Allen throws a shit ton of turnovers. Like, if you look at

his criticism, what they've said over the last few seasons, that his turnover ratio in comparison to throwing is what basically makes him horrible. They believe that he's Cam Newton 2.0. He's just white and he just doesn't get the criticism for it. Like, I didn't want to take the conversation in that direction. That's why I did the politically correct thing.

But they just believe like he's a poor man's cam newton you know i'm saying and um but they don't believe that he gets criticized the same way because he's white and a lot of the things that cam newton did um like he's just a a less version of it and you know dak you know you know we just know just if you black you play quarterback there's going to be a heavier criticism around your intellect and around if you can execute execute around the offense and you know can you win a significant and big moments and that's kind of what i really want to say i probably should have just said it what it was but that's what they you know really believe what they believe about dac but with josh allen you know it's just his belief you know i don't even know if we could if we'll ever get past it even with all these black quarterbacks in the league now.

But it's looked at if you're tall, you're white and, you know, you you can conduct an interview, a postgame interview. Well, and answer all your token questions that, you know, people have some sort of like some grace for you. You know what I'm saying? But if you have, you know, any level of blackness and they can tie just your race to your performance and i know we we always like to shy away from it and you know we use these like one-off examples of um you know of uh of people that we've said oh you know lamar is a great quarterback and we try not to tie his success his athletic ability like if you want me to talk about it that's jalen hurts thing you know we don't want to we don't want to label him as a quarterback if you look at that list it's full of white guys you know what i'm saying it's not to say that you know black quarterbacks can't perform the same way but

we still get a knock you know if i was going to do it i look at the um who wrote the article and how they feel and what narrative are they trying to push you know when i when i even saying this Yeah. You're the ultimate pro man. Let us know in the comments what you think of the ESPN latest quarterback rankings. Who should have been left off? Who should be in? Is Josh Allen the same as Dak Prescott?

Were you bored by Mo's take? That's all the time that we have for today. Thank you guys all sincerely for allowing me to join you. This has been a monumental moment as a hip-hop fan, as someone who I've maced in his poster on my wall as a little kid. My first concert ever was a No Way Out tour. My favorite, I grew up listening to Cam. I said to Larry, my favorite song was On Fire Tonight,

which is like full circle, the way you were saying hey i had a test so i appreciate you guys for having me and as uh as always ginger fried we're ginger frying anytime man we appreciate that a great job What you want, nigga? Everything nigga supersize Two big necks Like when they doing them two for five