IT IS WHAT IT IS - KILLA'S HILARIOUS DIDDY BOAT STORY, HALIBURTON'S POPS IS BACK & WHAT'S IT MEAN TO BE A FREE SPIRIT?

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

Ma$e, Cam’ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one!! On this episode, what's it mean to be a free spirit and are Mase and Cam'ron free spirits?! The Thunder win game 4 to take a 3-1 lead over the Wolves after their 128-126 win, is it inevitable that OKC will bring home its first title? Then, Hailburton's dad is allowed back at the arena to watch Pacers games after his run in with Giannis during the Bucks series. We finish the show talking NBA rumors for top point guards in the NBA and NBA awards recap with our winners and losers! Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog app. Use code MASE, CAM, or STAT to get up to $1,000 in bonus funds with your first deposit! Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson , Producer Ayooo Nick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello y'all, uh I was selling crack on a private jet up in a hell and back But no confusion, this a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Yeah, Murda here, he countin' money He said, can't man the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga

Black fences and white vigas Now I'm out here and I'm lookin' for more chandeliers and light pictures Nah, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is. This episode is sponsored by Underdog. It's the easiest way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. It's available in over 30 states, including Georgia, Missouri, and Texas. So before we get into the show, if you use your Game 3 Extender Boost, you unlock a 70% boost. Make sure to use it before tip-off tonight. So here's who we're rocking with in Game 4

for the 70% Extender Boost, as y'all can see on the screen. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the underdog app. Use code MACECAM or STAT to get up to $1,000 in bonus funds with your first deposit. I'm Treasurer Wilson, AKA STATbaby, along with your hosts Mace and Cam. Cam, what's going on, man?

What's good, man? How you doing? Good, man. You look in summary. I like that. Yeah, man. You're a little underdressed. This is... This is going on with the requirements. You tell me to be a requirement. a little underdressed. It's going on with the requirements. He tell me to be a requirement. I mean the requirements.

But thank you man, I appreciate it. I told Sugar J, give me spring colors, man. Yeah, you're looking really bright, I like that. Thank you man, I'm a bright fella. Pretty bright, man. Great to hear. Okay. How you doing, Seth? I'm good, I'm in fella. I am. That's good. Pretty bright, man. Great to hear. Okay. How you doing, Seth?

I'm good. I'm in good free spirits. I'm in good spirits. You a free spirit today? I'm in good spirits. A good spirit. I thought about it. I think I am free-spirited.

You are? I think so. So then you know that means you cannot be, not you cannot, you should not, if you're gonna be free-spirit, worry about people playing in your face because everybody's free to do what they want. Which is true, but that doesn't mean

that you can't get bothered. Okay, so then you're not all the way free spirit yet. No, you can still be free spirited just so you don't have to react. Okay. There's a difference. All right. So on the inside you're bottled up

but you're not really free. If it bothers you, that means you're not, you just don't express that you're bothered. So that means inside you're not completely free. This is deep. This is deep. I don't know how to interpret that. Even though I still think I am, but I see your point.

If you're bothered, how you free spirited about it. I mean, because it depends how you react. Like you can be bothered and then it go away. Most people, if you're just quick to react, then you're not. But that doesn't mean, you can't live life without ever being bothered by anything. No matter how free-spirited you are. I feel like that's debatable.

Do you guys consider yourselves free-spirits or no? I'm not free-spirited, but... No, I'm not. Negative. You can't just do what I'm doing. Yeah, free spirit is like you can do whatever. And I'm okay with it because that's you, you know? That's you. When people say that, that mean they're totally in control of them and what other people does

don't bother them at all. It's like, hey, you shot somebody, that's on you. You'll deal with that. Okay, well, maybe not to that extent. See, these are the scenarios that we bring up that don't cross my mind. I'm not thinking, oh yeah, you shot somebody. Mine is just like, if you wanna eat that, you can eat that.

I won't. Or you wanna have sex with that, you have sex with that. That's what people free spirited said there. They're like, you know what? He's going through something right now. I'm half free spirited. If I could do what I want.

And if you wanna do what you want, that's fine too, but that don't mean that we together like that. And you're like that. Yeah. And you're like self-spirited. He's bias for he's self-spirited. There you go, but I'm clear about it. Yeah. I ain't gonna lie about it.

Yeah, he's self-spirited. Yeah. That'll be a good one. It's not free. It's not free. It's not two parties, it's one, and it's himself. No, that's two parties, because I'm clear on what I'm looking for.

It ain't like I say, yo, I could do this and then tell them they can't do that. Yeah, you just may be doing it with someone else. Whole thing is if I lied and said I wasn't doing this or wasn't doing that, then I'm a liar. And then later on you got to answer questions and all that. Look, I'm gonna be with other women once in a while. You can't be with other men like that

unless you just gonna be cool. See, my thing is, you know what it is with me? I be on that take time, do what you want. Your time is your time and our time is our time. But then when you start questioning me, you can't question me. Why didn't I answer the phone? Where was you at?

I was looking for you. Yo, nah, da, da, da. Nah, you can't. Nah, you do that sometimes. And we do us sometimes. You can't ask me certain questions. See, these conversations are so interesting, because we all three have different variations of, like, one very simple thing.

So in the comments, you know, let us know, are you free-spirited, self-spirited? Which type are you? I'm curious. Yeah, you know, let us know, are you free spirited, self spirited? Which type are you? I'm curious. You know, you not worried about me being a conversation. I'm never using the word free spirited. That's a feminine word.

Like, yo, I wouldn't be like, yo mace, you know I'm free spirited now, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like unbothered.

I feel like those are all the same thing, but I'm also understanding what you're saying. Cause yeah, it's a little girly. That's what I was trying to tell you. Yeah. Certain shit. Caught up, but the generations are not okay. All niggas be like, well imagine a nigga being like clocked at.

Clock it, T. Clock it, whatever. Clocked at T, son. It's crazy. Imagine niggas snapping their fingers when they do it. I mean guys be doing that now. Y'all heard the song, can't get no coochie out the queen, guys be singing that.

I mean, you would know. Anybody would know who got the latest fingernail polish. They flicking they nails now. Snapping they fingers. Can't get no coochie out the queen, put that Lulu on his, that Lulu lemon. Y'all never heard that stuff? What they say, clock it, clock it.

Clock it. That's what the niggas doing? Clack it. No. Yeah. I would like the ladies in the comments. I would like the ladies in the comments to say, if your man says clack it, are you cool with that?

And he snapped twice. Maybe not clack it, but they definitely say I'm talking about in it. I'm talking about in it. Y talking about in it y'all never heard that No, I promise on everything. I'm gonna send y'all the videos to cuz I seen it Not feminine men Loud I'm just I'm just telling y'all what the world is doing. That's all. I'm just saying. Would you care if your man said clock it twice?

I would care. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. That's all I was, that's all I, you're younger than her, right? Yeah.

That's what I was like. Clock it. I was just wondering. Toma in it, sorry. That's just what they're saying. I'm just repeating it. Little sis ain't even with it. Hey baby. Little sis know them bobs.

She do. Okay, so let's get into this game. The Thunder beat the Timberwolves in game four, 128 to 126. It was obviously a close game. Mase first, how did you feel about the way the game ended? If we're going, let's start with the way the game ended. It's just, I think when it comes down to it, it boils down to exactly what we knew the whole time.

It boils down to whatever Ant-Man is gonna do and whatever he's not gonna do. When this team is trying to depend on other people, it's just not gonna work. And to see, I'll get to my other comments later, but that's what it boils down to. Pour out of bounds plays just everything that we've been talking about before we got to this series. Yeah.

As far as the way the game ended. Okay. See, pardon me. Minnesota did what they could possibly do. You're down three points, I believe. And Ant-Man's at the line. He makes the two shots, I don't know if it was two or three, whatever it is, he had to miss the second shot

or the third shot on purpose. He does that, and it's about five seconds left, but they don't get the rebound. SGA gets the rebound, throws it down the court, he throws it out of bounds thinking that he's just throwing the game's gonna end. It's 0.3 seconds left. They try to throw an in-bounds play to Rudy Gobert.

The pass doesn't even reach the basket. That's that. If you were talking about how to give, if the question's how the game ended, it ended cool. You know, it wasn't like we knew OKC was gonna definitely win. Every time Minnesota pulled within three points, two points, somebody from OKC, especially J. Will is the one who hit the shots, really big shots.

34 points tonight. When you talk about the Batman to the Robin, this is what he needs to do on a night in and night out basis if he's gonna be that second option, which they say he's gonna be that second option. And what a luxury to have Chet Holgrim as a third option. Let's think about that as well. But if you would have told me that,

what was it, 128, 126, a two point game, that OKC would only win by, with Anthony Edwards only scoring 16 points. Julius Randall scoring five points. They can buy him for 21 points. And you told me, okay, see only one by two. I would say that you bugging. But hey, this was the first close game

that we had in the series. I thought it was a really, really good game. Minnesota bench finally came through and look, ain't that some shit? You got finally D'Vincenzo having a good game. Ree having a good game. Who else was with it? Walker.

Yeah, Walker, Shea Gilder's cousin, he had a great game. But then when the starters don't produce, it's a problem, the imbalance on Minnesota night in and night out is just crazy. You have the starters who do good, and then Dee Vincenzo can't find a shot for the next two weeks.

Then when DiVincenzo steps up, Nadri steps up, Walker steps up, the starters can't get more than 25 points combined. Talking about, let's not say the starters, the superstar, Anthony Edwards, and supposedly the second option, and Julius Randall, a second option cannot have five points.

That's just not gonna cut it. So congrats to the Oklahoma City Thunder. They're one game away from the championship. And it looks like it's a foregone conclusion at this point. Yeah, this team. Yeah, this team is looking like they're definitely in balance when it comes to sharing a ball because this is kind of what I Allude to when it comes to certain players like they dominate the ball so much that when the ball is out of their hands

This is when the other players is having a good game when they actually are getting a ball and getting more shots They're having a good game and it just is just um How can I say it? It's just like the points that Anthony ed was would have scored now, even Chinsor is scoring. And that that means that the coaches got to come up with better schemes so that people can all play well at the same time. Even when you look at, um, Julius Randall, he had, he was one for seven, right?

So he's only gotten seven shots. He should have way more than seven shots. But if he gets more than seven shots, then Walker doesn't end up with 15 shots. And their contribution should be the other way around. And this got a lot to do with the coaching. And I just, this goes back to the conversation we had yesterday. Like I think Lauren Hill said it,

how you gonna win when you ain't right with them, right and Anthony I was you gotta fix the thing off the court if you want to win You're probably not gonna win until you fix that Why you feel like he's not right with it? I'm just telling you what the kettle is saying, you know, I was supposed to tell you all that kettle That's what they said get oh Kettle the ghetto and the streets. Not the kettle, not the kettle. Too many sources.

Yeah, you gotta get that right. Okay, so if he has to get right within, what would be your advice to him since he gotta get right so bad? He gotta be in the little girl life. If he wanna win, I'm telling you, I'm just telling you what I'm supposed to tell y'all. Do you agree or disagree?

Can't question God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They can't do that. I like that, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You ever say somebody they get away with everything but then they get locked up on something

they know they didn't do and they like, yo, I'm telling you, I didn't do nothing. But the last eight things you did do. So. Yeah, I'm not. Oh man. Yeah. Mace said that, that's, gotta go with Mace.

He got the feeling more than me, Pauly. So I don't, if he knows that, he knows that. Yeah, you gotta get that right. Yeah, okay, so let's kind of reflect on this series so far because obviously OKC is up, it's three to one. How are we feeling about the way that it's going? Do you feel like it's living up to the hype? Who do you feel like is lacking?

What are the kind of pieces that are missing? Because I don't think anybody kind of expected it to go this way. We said we weren't gonna count the Timberwolves out, and it looks like from both of you guys' responses and energy, you guys are kind of at that point. It's crazy, because I think Cam tried to get the suit thinking that the Wolves was going to win,

now that I'm looking at it. Cam, did you get that suit thinking that the Wolves was going to be up? Man, so I got more color suits than Crayola. If I didn't have to wear this suit tonight. I did a big deal last night and I thought I'd wear money green, cause I felt money, if you wanna know the truth.

I didn't even think about Minnesota. I didn't have to wear this, man. I got all type of colors niggas can't pronounce, man. So, no, the answer's no. I'm just feeling spring. You think it's Stad, Stad tries to bust in here every now and then with the team color that she thought was gonna win, so I thought that it made it to your side.

No, no, if I do it, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna wear the team, I'm gonna wear the Knicks shit, I'm gonna wear Boston, I'm gonna wear the actual team, man. I got every team too. So. Yeah, but it's that. You said how do we think about the three ones so far? Yeah, like is the series living up to the hype?

What's lacking? What are we missing? I just feel like there's something that's just not. No, I like this series. I like the way that they're playing. I like the way that it's seeming like these are two premium stars, all paws button at the same time, coming into that time where they're taking over the league and it looked like a

great transition from the elders like the Stephen Currys and the LeBron James, the Kevin Durant. And now it's moving into the future. Like this is what the future is going to look like. And you got two guards in there at the prime of their life fighting to be that premier one person. And it looked like SGA is just light years better than Anthony Edwards. I wouldn't have thought that if somebody was just putting them both on the floor

at the same time. And this is just a revealing moment. It's just looking like SGA is more focused on the moment. Yeah. So when I'm taking away from this series, so far as this, is that it looks like this to me personally. OKC looks like a team that's been together the last two, three, four years.

And the Timberwolves are showing that this is a team they got together in October. They didn't play really well in the beginning of the season due to injury. Randall was hurt for a little while. Devin Chenzel was hurt for a little while. After All-Star break, they made a hell of a run. They looked really good, looked like they were meshing.

Got into the playoffs. Not just only got into the playoffs. They made the Lakers look like shit when they got to the playoffs. Then go seven games with two years ago, champion Denver. And they look really good. You're like, OK, they put it together. But you ran into a brick wall when you're playing against the MVP of the league, not only the MVP of the league, a team that's been together,

even though they're the youngest team, or second youngest team, I'm not sure which one, and the NBA, they've still been playing together. Think about this, Chet, this is his second year playing, this is his third year there. He was actually there three years ago, but he got hurt his year. Whether he was playing and not that first year,

he still gets the experience of being around the team, seeing how things are going. It might've been a great learning lesson just to sit on the sideline for 82 games and see exactly what he could bring to the table when he does make his debut. We think about the emergence of Dort. I haven't talked about Dort all season,

but we see he could knock down in three. His defensive prowess is amazing. Jay Will, we've been talking about Jay Will. Look, is Jay Will gonna be that second option? Is he not gonna be that second option? He hasn't played terrific throughout the old playoffs, but he shows up when it counts. Last night was when Shay Gilders Alexander

went out the game, he's the one that held the team down and put them points together. So we gotta give it up for J. Will. We got to think about Caruso, an NBA champion who's coming off the bench giving them valuable minutes, not necessarily with points every night, but with his presence, defensive or otherwise, reflections. It's a lot of stats sometimes that don't go in the books.

There's no stat line for it. A nigga like Draymond Green, and they all put Caruso in there, at least Caruso throughout these playoffs, they don't go in the stat sheet. So that's all this series looks like to me at this particular moment. I'm not gonna count Minnesota,

I would say they'll lose the next game, but I don't think they're gonna come back from three, one, but that's all it looks like when I'm getting out this series of team that didn't have the, you know, they deal with the trade right before preseason starts, have their trouble meshing together. Then players get injured. Then they do get some rhythm and go on a tremendous run,

but they're playing to plan against a team that's been together for a few years and they know each other. And it looks like they're destined at least to get to the NBA Finals, representing the West. Yeah, and when I say focus, I just mean, like, there's the players on OKC look like they're taking it way more serious from the aspect of you look at, um,

who is his name, Williams, as well as Shay Giltriss. These, Gilchrist. Gildriss. Gildriss. These are the same two players that's supposed to carry them as well as Chet when he's ready. But you know, when you got players getting 34 and 40 versus 21, I mean 16 and five, it's just a testament to the focus.

You know, cause you're not supposed to have an off game when you're that premier. You not supposed to have an off game when you're that premier. You're supposed to have an off quarter, but according to the mental 42, you're supposed to be able to turn it back on on second quarter or come back second half and make up for what you didn't do the first half.

That's the sign of a great player. But when you just vanish for the whole game, that plays into the focus of the person. Okay. And then switching to the Pacer side, Kim, you were talking about free John. John is free. So Hal Burton's dad is now allowed to watch the Pacers home game in a suite for game four. He has missed eight games since the decision was made by the Pacers front office. And he was understanding and accepting of that decision. According to sources, he will continue to remain

away from road games. That's what we know now. Mase, do you think a lesson was learned, and then do you think that they made the right decision allowing him to be in attendance for this game? Um, I really like the fact of what, um, what the new commissioner is trying to do. I just wish that he would be more Consistent when it come to other people it seemed like this selective this selective firmness pause that with this situation

He's very he was very firm with but there's there's been so many other issues that could have been dealt with the same way like Dre Mon when he was You know choking people or yoking people. Then, then Ja Morant, then you got Ja Morant's dad. Then you got, now you got Halliburton's pops. And it a little like he, he chose to be a little bit more firm with Halliburton, but I guess now that Halliburton is balling, he gets the Ja Morant treatment. That's how it looks.

When you playing good, you get special treatment. It's just the way it is. You know. Let's say Ben Simmons' father was suspended right now and he wanted to let him in the arena. Would you let him in the arena? Probably not. Nobody would care about Ben Simmons' father.

No disrespect to his father. But you don't get special requests when you're not balling out. And Tyrese Halliburton is balling out, not just balling out. He's holding the city there. You gotta think about this. We sit here and we analyze these games

and we're fans and we watch them, especially people from outside other cities. Right now we could talk because, you know, New York's in the playoffs and everybody, I don't think it's just New Yorkers, but America and beyond is seeing the way that New York acts when the New York Knicks are winning. You don't see this craziness all the time from other cities.

This is a special kind of craziness. But to be fair, some of these other cities go just as crazy. They don't get the television views that New York gets because it's the mecca, it's the entertainment capital of the world. But when you think about places like New York and you think about how many teams we have,

two football teams, two basketball teams, two baseball teams, two hockey teams, that just goes to show how much they love it, but we have other shit to do. When you have other cities that don't have a lot to do, and I'm not saying Indiana does it, because they just had the Indy 5,000 or 500, whichever one it is.

And then you think about the cults and the success that they had, R.P. or say they only just passed away. It's stuff to do, but it ain't New York. So to me, cities like Indiana get more hype. I lived in Columbus, Ohio. Every, and I'm bringing this up even though it's college. Every year, every game is sold out for Ohio State.

102,000 seats every weekend because there's no professional team. Now you could drive to Cleveland and watch the Browns or they're new now, they formerly the Indians and you know, and you could drive to Cincinnati and see the Bengals play and they got college there too as well. But when there's nothing else to do in that city, people go crazy. And like I said, I'm not talking about Indiana because they have other professional teams, but I believe that they get just as hype, you just don't get the coverage for it. So at the end of the day, um... I'm happy for Halliburton's dad,

but you gotta... you gotta chill, my nigga. You can't just do what you wanna do. Now, they threw you in the nosebleeds, and they put it, they called it the skybox... to make you feel better. Now, if you get in a skybox that's yours, and you control the suite, and you're not in there with strangers, like,

hey, you know so-and-so, me and me too. That's how we got in here. Yay, man, nice to meet you. Now you got to play like you cool with niggas because you in somebody else's Skybox, and now you got to have a friend in the Skybox. Now you start talking about dumb shit like, how long it take you to get to work?

A word? I take this route, and this way, and now I get to work in 15, you start making up dumb shit when you in them suites with other people that you're not in the suites with. Shallot, you'll be back court side soon enough, but if Halliburton wasn't playing good, I don't think that Halliburton dad would be there. I'm laughing because...

You was in the skybox, that? Yo, NBA is season tournament. I just think this is so funny. I was in the skybox with Instagram. I was also in a skybox for the Super Bowl. I don't mind small talk with Serena Williams. I don't mind small talk with these people. Cam is like, no, feet on the wood or it ain't good.

When I tell y'all the way that is engraved in my brain. Who you was in the sky box with at the cup? Yeah. At the cup, I don't know. Exactly. That's exactly what I'm talking about. As soon as I sat down and I was trying on the meta glasses, I think I texted you and you were like,

why are you up there? I said, because I'm with Instagram. You were like, I have a seat. And I was like, why are you up there? I said, because I'm with Instagram. You were like, I have a seat. And I was like, I didn't know that, I'm coming. Everybody's like, oh, Stat left her friends in the suite. Like, whoa, she's a bad friend. I'm like, yo, it's a suite. Like, we got here for free.

Thank you very much. But I don't know, I just think that's funny. What was the menu up there in the skybox? It was like buffet style. I don't know, I didn't really stay that long. I really immediately went down. I got my know, I didn't really stay that long. I really immediately went down. I got my glasses, I got my little kid. What's wrong with the sweetest goodies?

TV's up there, they order shit and all that. All I'm saying is when you just in there with random people, you might as well be on the city bus. Wow. It's just the comparisons. Like people were acting like, oh, stats in the skybox, aw, like hurt like so hard. No, skybox is good. No, no, skybox is dope.

Like what? No, skybox is good if it's yes skybox. Can't you say it like public traffic? Like, you- Cause you don't know who's gonna be in there with you. Anybody can show up and just sit down next to you. With any disease. With anything, man.

Yeah, for real. That's what I'm saying, man. You can run into a op in the Skybox. That's a fact. Don't know who's booking who. Just sitting next to you. Now you gotta sit there all day. This conversation is just funny.

Now the Super Bowl's different because to me, the Super Bowl, if you're not on the field, the random seats right there in the front, it's just a mess because you still around a bunch of people. Now with the Raiders Stadium dead, they knew stadium, they got VIP shit. So now you got a section like the club and the bottle girls and all that shit.

So that's dope. But football, I prefer Skybox if I'm not in the field because it's like really no VIP seat in a football arena. If you're on the 50 yard line, there's still people around you. Right, exactly. So what's your opinion on Skybox? It's like when you was, not to cut you off,

I wanna answer that, but like when you was in Colorado, you like woo, but you went nice and mad, right? Yeah, it was all kind of people behind the bars, on the side of us. Yeah, like. Could be with any team, you know, you gotta watch how you chill over there. Yeah, exactly, and that same thing kinda with boxing.

If I'm not, from now on, if I'm not inside that barricade, cause you got a ringside, but if you're not inside the barricade where it's only like nine people sitting, I ain't going to them fights neither, man. You in there fighting. Not fighting, but you gotta think about this. Me and Murda went to Canelo Fort,

and you're just basically at a disadvantage with anybody when you're black at a Canelo fight, because it's mad drunk Mexicans. Shout out to my Mexicans, love y'all. But sometimes they be getting their seats fucked up. They was getting messed up. So now they want to argue, no, no, no, no, this is my seat. And you're like, nah, bro, this is taken.

Now they got all, sorry, my friend, I'm over here. And I was like, you're just a wimp. Yeah, and these are all boxes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Vorgaz, we used to argue with, not argue with Vorgaz, but it was Vorgaz. Yeah, Vorgaz was boxes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Vargas, we was arguing with, not arguing with Vargas, but it was Vargas. Yeah, Vargas was like, can you slide down? Yeah.

Like, bro, I'm not going to slide up. Because you know, Vargas, he's still popping like, and this my world, niggas know I give it up. So you're 100% right. But Mace, back to what Stapp was going to ask you. How do you feel about the Skybox he's going to ask you? The Skybox, I mean, the Skybox is kind of cool if it's yours because I like to chill.

I like to chill by myself or with the people I came with. So I'm cool with the Skybox as long as it's my Skybox. I don't wanna be in there with randoms, you know, people, I say ops, cause you know, that's your age group. You know? They do some ops. Yeah, you know, people. I say ops, cause you know, that's your age group, you know. Yeah. Yeah. You got people you can't stand in the skybox with you. Taking the last soda and all that.

Yeah. And not only people that you can't stand, somebody you never met by the time the game's over, you can't stand him. I asked you a thousand questions. Yeah, yeah. a hundred thousand questions. Yo, you think that, yo, what you think would have happened if you would have did it like this, suppose like, like, yo, bro, I remember I had a girl

and I swear to God, I kept telling her, I don't wanna go on no cruise, man. I don't wanna do a cruise. And I got on the cruise, as far as he finally walked me down after two years. And you can't escape, like, I'm gonna do a cruise. And I got on the cruise as far as he finally walked me down after two years. And you can't escape. Like, yo, my nigga, like, niggas had they mix tape.

I'm like, how you know who's gonna be on this cruise to have your mix tape with you, bro? Like, no, I don't wanna hear the mix tape. Then you gotta be, you see niggas and start ducking because you don't want them to ask you about the tape dinners at a certain time. No, man, I ain't with that. Then you don't want them to ask you about the tape dinners at a certain time? No, man, I ain't with that. Then you can't leave.

I was ready to get on the plane from the Bahamas because you know, they be all in hobby and I'm like, I'm ready to go back. It was a three day cruise. I was done after 14 hours. Thank you. Yeah, I remember I went on a rap cruise. I definitely wanted to get off.

What's a rap cruise? They had a bunch of rappers perform. Oh, wow. And you know what's crazy? When we was younger, that was a big deal. Boat parties, like growing up, like Final Four. A lot of people used to throw boat parties. And they're like-

But that was in the city. That was. No, no, no, no. I'm not talking about the cruise. Let me correct myself for the audience. 100%. This is a party in the city where the boat leave for like at 10 p.m. and come back at 3 a.m.

But what I was gonna say, Murda, is I don't even like those. As I got older, I stopped liking those because I wanna leave when I wanna leave. That's the whole thing. Once I started getting older, I'm like, yo, I don't wanna be on this shit. I done walked around this boat six times. I keep saying, yo, I wanna leave and you can't leave.

Not only that, let's say you get into a fight. Now you gotta stay on the boat till the boat's over. But the niggas you just fought. Now you gotta call whoever get to the car first when the boat and the dock is off. It's a mess, my nigga. I don't even do boat parties no more because I can't leave when I wanna leave.

Yeah, and it's not like newer people are coming on a boat. It's like, when you're in a party, you know, oh, it's about to get better, you know? Exactly. Whatever it is, that's what it's gonna be for the next three hours. Right. Yeah, that's a good point.

You feel stuck, and it's not a good feeling. Okay, so let's get to it. Now when it's my boat, I can bust the moves, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Changes things for moves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the time we was on the boat,

you ran in the puff. What was that like? You sent me to find out what's up. You want your publishing back. Did you tell me you want your publishing back? I knew you was alluding to that. I was ready. Did you tell me you wanted your publishing back

and the call to get your publishing back? Say word to everything you love. You just say, tell the nigga I want my publishing. If you ain't tell me that, then I'm bugging. Maybe I'm wilding. Word to everything I love. You say, tell the nigga I want my publishing. And I forget the money amount. I said, all right, I got you. Ain't no problem. Then Revolt wanted to do, it was pre-diddy,

but Puff don't have nothing to do with Revolt anymore. Puff wanted to make an offer for It Is What It Is, and you told me to go poly that, see how much you talking about. You sent me to do all this. Then when I did, then when I did, I was like, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. I'm on the boat,

I'm on the boat, my niggas, he pull up on his boat. Listen, what's the business? What's happening? It's that and the third. And his girlfriend, I won't say her name, everybody kind of know who it was. She was with him at the time. And yeah, but you sent me to do something,

and I did it. And that was that, man. Got your publishing back, though. I ain't taking credit at night. I started to knock the wall down. It was already being knocked down. I gave it two kicks though. What else?

What else you got? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, you just talking about boats. And I said, I can't leave that boat out.

I ain't mad, man. I'm not mad at the question. But I was sad. Quick answer too. Just trying to help my friends out, man. Do what I can do, man. Quick answer. Okay, so, any more questions? He said he was ready, sir.

I was trying to catch him off guard. My man said he was. I can't remember how much money it was. It was money in the public. Yeah. He said, I gave him his publishing back, man. I said, that ain't what he told me. He said, you didn't do it.

He said, I ain't gonna put you in the middle of shit, man. I said. Yeah, you told him the dollar, man. He said, oh word. Yeah, yeah. Tell him I'm good. Yeah, man, I said. Yeah, you told him to dial him out, he said, oh word, tell him I'm good. Yeah, yeah, I said, yo, Murda, he said he gave you the publisher, he said. He got niggas on that fine print. Whatever it was, somebody signed it in there, I don't know.

But I know one thing, I delivered the message. Yeah. The message was delivered. Okay, so tonight the Knicks will play the Pacers. Underdog has Halliburton at 34 and a half points, rebounds and assists. Do you have him higher or lower, Mace? 34 points, rebounds and assists.

This is a good one. I'm going lower, I'm going lower. I'll give it to Mace, I'm going lower. Okay, Jalen Brunson's at eight and a half first quarter points. Do you have him'm going lower, I'm going lower. I'll go ahead and make some room low. Okay, Jalen Brunson's at eight and a half first quarter points, you have him higher or lower, Cam? That's a good one underdog. Yeah. Real good one.

Pause. Cause he might have 10. Yeah, then he might have four or six. Yeah. And have a great second and third quarter. Eight first quarters? Eight and a half first quarter points. Lower.

I'm gonna go higher. Being that the series is two one, they gotta come out smoking pause. Okay, and Josh Hart is at 17 and a half points and rebounds, you have a higher or lower mace. I'm going lower lower. Okay make sure you download the underdog app and you can make your picks too. Will Chris Paul be going to the MAVs? We will discuss after the break. Oh my goodness that you serious?

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Not even just Chris Paul, we got a couple of players. So Chris Paul, Lonzo to this Chris Paul thing. It's not even just Chris Paul. We got a couple of players. So Chris Paul, Lonzo Ball, or Drew Holiday Trade are reportedly linked to the Mavs amid NBA rumors. According to NBA Insiders, Dallas is expected to at least explore a trade with the Celtics for holidays. So Mase, what do you think would be a good fit for the Mavs?

I'm not sure where Lonzo Ball fits in that equation, but I definitely could see Drew Holliday playing with the Mavs. And being that they're linked to be the first pick of the NBA draft, they're gonna probably go with Cooper Flagg, right? So you got Cooper Flagg, you got Anthony Davis, you got Kyrie. I could see a lot of people want to join that team.

You know, it wouldn't be a bad idea for Chris Paul to be there. If he's just going to sit there and come off the bench and just enjoy, pause the ride and try to get an NBA championship. That will, that will be a great place to be. It wouldn't be a bad idea for Chris Paul. It's something they could do sweatlessly, you know, and yeah, you know, I'm not gonna say nothing about that. I'm not gonna say nothing about that. I'm not gonna say nothing about that. I'm not gonna say nothing about that. I'm not gonna say nothing about that.

I'm not gonna say nothing about that. I'm not gonna say nothing about that. I'm not gonna say nothing about that. I'm not gonna say nothing about that. I'm not gonna say nothing about that. I'm not gonna say nothing about that. I'm not gonna say nothing about that. I'm not gonna say nothing about that. I'm not gonna say nothing? No, I did, that was bad. Sweatlessly is a word, right?

No, we could have said effortlessly, like. Effortlessly, okay. It's a word though, at least I was using real words. Is that something you can't, like, what? Sweatlessly, is that a real word? Sweatlessly. Sweatlessly? Yeah.

I don't know. Effortlesslylessly. Sweatlessly? Yeah. I don't know. Effortlessly? I know effortlessly. Yeah. Ooh. Sweatlessly. I just went into the synonyms, right? Sweatlessly means without sweating

or being free from sweat. There you go, Murda. There you go, that S16 hundred. Yeah, there you go, my S16 hundred SAT score. Sweatlessly. That's exactly what I meant when it comes to Chris Paul, right? He's not going to be out there doing much of anything. So sweatlessly was actually a better word for him. Yeah, that works. It was just funny the way that came out.

And you did not have a 1600 SAT score. There's no way. It's 1200. OK. 1200. OK. But I know I know what I got what I got my doctorate in now. Oh, we're back to that. Oh gosh, okay. What is it? Right.

I got a doctorate in divinity and family psychology. I got two. What's divinity? It's a spiritual thing. Oh, that's what I'm asking. Yeah, yeah. Was it honorary? That's the question.

Are your degrees honorary degrees? Are they out the mud? Oh my goodness, that. Is it all of them already? Which one? Either one. Either. Oh, one of them is.

Which one? The divinity one. So you a family psychiatrist? You can't qualify to be a psychiatrist, you said psychology? Yeah, I'm actually studying and training. So you could be a legal psychiatrist. I actually can.

That's what's up. That's fire, congrats. Yeah, it is. Yeah. He called his wife to ask me what's up. I'm fine, but. Can you read that, what'd that say? Yeah, you know what, I got my degree in.

I know it's a butterfly place. Actually, that's what OJ, God bless his soul, that's what OJ was picking up on when he was like, I keep making everything so obvious. That's what the study does. Okay. What's the question? I forgot the fucking thing.

Chris Paul, Lonzo Ball, Drew Holiday, who do you think, hypothetically speaking, that was funny, would be the best fit for the Mavs? Um, I know one thing. It's like this. They don't have Kyrie for the beginning of the season. They need a point guard. Now, this is, you know, getting a Cooper flag wasn't necessarily the best thing for Dallas.

It kinda is because you got a great white athlete in the white state, which I'm not saying my niggas ain't down there, but predominantly oil, Jerry World, even though it's Dallas, but you know, that vibe, the good old boys city. So you got a white boy who's nice down there. But to be honest with you, they really needed a point guard. They would have been better off with a two or three.

Now you got somebody like, let's say for instance, PJ Washington, who's 25, you got to... He's... Cooper Flagg's gonna take away from his minutes. And if you think he's not gonna be in practice going crazy on Cooper Flagg because he feels like somebody just came and took his spot, it don't matter how much you bust his ass in practice,'s not gonna be in practice going crazy in a coupe of flag, because he feels like somebody just came and take his spot. It don't matter how much you bust his ass in practice, you still gonna be there.

So now, if I'm Drew Holiday, I will say this to myself. I don't wanna go to Dallas, because Drew Holiday's a starting point guard right now. And we know if he comes back, he's not gonna be starting there. Would I love to have Drew Holiday come off the bench for me? Absolutely, because you're having a starting point guard coming off the bench, but we know when Kyrie Irving

gets back, 100%, Kyrie Irving's starting, and there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. It's not even a question. Chris Paul, uh, can he fill the void while Kyrie is out? Probably, but do you want, do you want your father or uncle in there telling you what to do every two minutes? Like that's Chris Paul gives you uncle vibes. Like, you know, if you would have made that pick

and roll and popped out, then you would have missed out on the script. Shut up, nobody wanna hear that right now. Niggas ain't really interested. So, and we seen that on different occasions with to a point where he's in the huddle and James Harden smacks his hand down and so on and so forth. And like May said, I'm not sure exactly

where Lanzo Wolff is in all this. But if I'm the Mavericks, I would definitely want Drew Holiday more than Chris Paul. But if I'm Drew Holiday, I wouldn't wanna go to the Mavericks because I only know it's a temporary starting job until Kyrie Irving gets back. Chris Paul, be happy.

Somebody wants you. Yeah, what if they want to put Drew Holliday in as the point guard until Kyrie comes back, and then they play like Kyrie at the one, two? Like they just, whoever got the ball brings it up. I mean, that's not a problem until you play defense. I used to think Drew Holiday is a, not saying he isn't, let me not do that.

Drew Holiday is a great defensive, a premier defensive player in the NBA. But Jalen Brunson made him look subpar. Jalen Brunson made them not look good. And what would happen is, one of them would be a defensive liability if not both of them on the defensive end because you have two small guards

when you're guarding on the other end of the court. So both of them, I'm not disagreeing with you Mase. Cause look, let's think about this. Garland did it with Mitchell. It worked during the regular season. Get to the playoffs. Play also. In the night six. Get to the playoffs. Somebody six-five. Yeah, exactly.

Pa's long wingspan started changing the shot. Right, exactly. Yeah, exactly. So could it work? Maybe, I don't know if you could win a championship with that format. The only two I've seen do it was Isaiah and Joe Dumas with two small guards.

And Joe Dumas isn't that small even. He's a tall. Yeah, he's 6'3". Yeah, about to say he's a tall 6'3". Okay, so I want to discuss Chris Paul a little bit more because we know that he's set to be a free agent this offseason. If you guys were in his shoes, what would your next steps be? If you had, obviously, you could choose to go anywhere

or make that next step decision, what would it be? Actually, if I was Chris Paul, I would I would really entertain going back to San Antonio actually because They're gonna that's gonna be a hot spot next year next year I think that's gonna be a total different team like a lot of these teams like cam has mentioned earlier They just got together this year. So with a, with a summer camp, with with strengthening and conditioning together a summer together, all of these things together, that, that,

that San Antonio team could be a total different team next year. You got, um, Castle coming back, you got Anthony, I mean, Deandre Fox coming back. You got Wimby. And if they add one more piece, this is a formidable team to make some real noise in the West, in conference. So him being there is actually a good thing for him because you get to be a part of another legacy. I really believe that Wimby is going to continue to be a special player. And he has a he has the right to be a part of that. If he take a lesser role and just make it more about other people not teaching so much, just enjoying the new the newness of the team

that's surrounding them. And then I want to talk about the losers and the winners of basically the awards that were given this year, because I don't think we actually went over them. So now that we know who the winners are, want to get you guys opinion. And let's actually start with Clutch player of the year. So we know that Jalen Brunson won that award. The other finalists were Anthony Edwards and Jokic. Now looking at it, now that it's all said and done, do you think that that was the right choice? Yeah, absolutely. Jalen Brunson, if I couldn't give him anything else, he's been very clutch. Not in the last game, but everything

before that, he's been very clutch all through the playoffs, all through the season, all through last year. I mean, every time the ball has been in his hand, one time he hit a move where he was going, he was going right and he came back to his left with a left floater. And I was just like that, that is a move that normally get blocked every time in the playground. So it was just amazing to see that people are still going for that in 2025, but he gets off some of the some of the most easiest things that I think people should be able to defend. I don't understand why they can't stop it, but as long as it's working, he will be the

the best clutch player out there. Yeah, I agree with Mase. He deserved that award, especially in the playoffs he's been really clutch. I don't think he's been more clutch than Halliburton in this past series. But if we're talking about throughout the entire year in the playoffs so far, he definitely deserves the award.

What I would do if I was anybody with a couple dollars, right now before the odds get too crazy, I would place it on Jaylen Brunson and win MVP next year. Yeah. Do you agree or disagree? I would place it on Jaylen Brunson to win MVP next year. Do you agree or disagree? I understand for the betting purposes that that would be great. I think I'm more so focused on the team that I said will be the best team plan, and that was Indiana.

I don't wanna change that right now. I think Halliburton has proved to everybody that he's definitely not the most underrated player. That whole notion got to go out the window. Whoever made that up, that was a bad joke. You remember when we was having that conversation? That Halliburton, most people think he's the most overrated. Yeah. That's like a very real conversation. It wasn't most people. It was voted on among his peers, other 150 players.

Yeah, that was all hate. That was definitely all hate now that we're watching this series. Yeah. And then I know, Cam, your answer is basically locked on Jalen Brunson, but to Mace's point, do you see that as an answer too with it being Halliburton or no? What? For MVP, yeah.

No, Halliburton won't be. I'm not saying he'll be MVP. I'm just saying the whole idea of most underrated. I mean, most overrated or whatever they said. It was just a bad take. Oh, bad take. When it comes to MVP, who I could see being MVP next year, Joker again.

I don't see nobody really stopping him next year. I think he'll be the same way next year. Yeah, and I'm not saying that Jalen Brunson would win. I'm saying that the odds right now, if you go to Vegas right now, the odds probably aren't that high on him. And he wouldn't be far fetched, my opinion. If the Knicks play again, just as good as they played this year.

And he has the season again next year that he had this year. He'll definitely be in the conversation. Mm hmm. OK. And then most improved player, the winner was the Hawks, Dyson Daniels. So the finalists were Cade Cunningham, obviously Dyson and then Zubach. Do you agree with that answer or do you think it should have been somebody else? As most improved player,

there's a few people came to mind when it comes to most improved. I think the Knicks had a few people that could have very much won that award. Josh Hart could have won that award. There's a few people that could have won that award, but I'm excited for anybody to win something out of Atlanta. Why, why, miss?

Cause they're not winning anything else, you know? It's not like they won the playoffs. You know, you got to show them some kind of love. You got JD about to put his Magic City thing out, you know? Got to win for the city. I thought you said you don't do handouts. Huh? You said you don't support handouts just because, just to give them an award just because.

But it's for them, though. It's not for me, it's for them, you know? You like this for them? Yeah, I like this for them. Ain't that how the young people say it? Yeah. I like this for you. I'm quoting you mocking me. Yeah, I like this for them.

Okay. They ain't make the playoffs, so I don't know who's improving. How you improving if you still don't make the playoffs, so I don't know who's improving. How you're improving if you still don't make the playoffs? Improvement means you're improving, helping the team. This two year straight, you ain't make the playoffs. How you the most improved player when the team is not improving what you wanted?

I like Mesa's answer. I like actually, you know, not to agree with him like that, but I do like Josh Hart. Yeah, Josh Hart. And what's his name from Indiana? What's the light-skinned guard name? M. Hart? Yeah, he could have won that.

Cause when you show up differently, that's why the team goes to a new level. You could throw K Cunningham in there. You could throw, you know, he stepped up to- K Cunningham. K was a new level. Cause you get the okay. Cutting him in there. You get those, you know, he's up to K cutting him. He was a finalist. He just didn't get it. And, um, what's his name from, um, from okay. See, okay. See as somebody that could have won that award, like Jaylen, William, like Jada. Yeah. Yeah. These are all good picks, but yeah.

So that's why I said they, they, they pretty much handed it to somebody in Atlanta, it's all good, but still congratulations. Yeah. Okay. Coach of the year we know is Cavs Kenny Atkinson. Um, finalists were JB Bickerstaff for the Pistons and Ime Udoka for the Rockets, where we think of the winner.

Who won? It was Kenny Atkinson for the Cavs. Oh yeah, he should have won that. But that job in the playoffs, this was for the regular season and this is why you gotta give the reward out in the regular season because after seeing you guys play against Indiana,

I'm not sure if he gets this award, but that's what makes it conflicting and make it confusing because now you're looking at a person That pretty much got swept and then and now this is the coach of the year How do you how do you justify that? How do you justify? Being number one out of the playoffs From the start. This is just doesn't make no sense Makes no sense.

How do you justify that? How do you justify a stat with the Cavaliers maroon on? I mean, it's not in support of the Cavs. I'm just wearing this color, but you can't. But East Coach of the Year, how? That's why they need to get an award earlier. I'm with Ja Moran and them. They got to get this award out earlier.

Well, Ja was saying they needed to wait till it was said and done. This got announced like a month ago. This ain't even new news to be honest. They kind of announced this kind of quick. But to answer the question, my answer is Bicke-Staff. Look, Atkinson and Harvard did a team that was in the second round at the playoffs last season. So it ain't like you inherited that big of a mess.

Bickerstaff inherited a mess in Detroit. It was a fucking mess up there. You know, we get up there, we looking at people who've been... been... I don't even want wanna say less than that, been average, I used to be nice and say average. When I sit there and mention Tim Hardaway, or when I mentioned Tobias Harris,

they've been average at the teams they were at before getting to Detroit. Then they acquired Schumpert. What's his name? Dennis Schutte, pardon me. These were great acquisitions to go along with their young player and their young superstar and finally got some morale around there to where they want to win.

They actually got in the playoffs without having to be in the play-in, which is amazing. We was just dissing Detroit about how they were giving out free hamburgers and movie tickets and prom dates and all type of shit just to go to the gate. Yeah, one dollar front row seats. Right, so for me, it's not even close, not even a little bit.

Bickensap is definitely my coach of the year. Atkinson, you did a great job, of course you thought Boston would probably win the Eastern Conference, so you did a good job doing there, but you didn't inherit a mess. This nigga inherited a fucking catastrophe and somehow got out the playoffs. I mean, pardon me, got out of the play-in directly to the sixth seed in the playoffs.

And they had a really good series against the next. They didn't get it done, but they played really well. Okay. And then the last one before we wrap. The NBA Hustle Award was won by Draymond Green. Do you think this was valid or could it went to somebody else? What do you think of the award? Yeah, I'm happy for Draymond to win it. I think, um, I would've thought, like,

somebody like Caruso would've won it. Caruso probably would've been my pick to win it. But if Draymond won it after all of these done, let him have it. I think this is a great award for Draymond. Not only did he make first team or defensive team, he's actually one year away from making an all defensive team to being one of five players

who made double digit defensive teams. You know, whether that's first, second or third team. Yeah, exactly. So he's nine time all defensive player, whether it be first, second or third team. So this hustle award of the year, I really agree with it because Draymond, look, people make fun of Draymond because sometimes he kicks somebody

or his shot isn't the most pretty or he can't knock down, but the stuff that he does can't always pop up on the stat sheet. When you're guarding somebody that's the point guard and then you're guarding somebody who's the center and you're at best, you're at six-six, six-five. I say six-five, maybe 6'6. They label them 6'7, but probably 6'6.

And you're guarding all these positions. You think about when you go see the Golden State Warriors jump ball sometime, and there's Draymond there at the center court jumping ball against a seven-footer. And you're like, yo, this nigga's actually about to start the game playing the five. That ends up at the four. Then you ended up bringing as a point forward

because he's passing the stuff, covering and getting the assistant, getting triple doubles. Listen, I think it's a great award for him and he earned it. Fire. Well, congratulations to all the winners. And of course, as we see these final games

kind of coming around, we'll be able to compare more and not even just awards, but also trades. So make sure y'all stay tuned for that. But that is all the time that we have for today. Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is. What you want nigga? Everything nigga supersized Two big necks Like when they doin' them two for five