IT IS WHAT IT IS - LANE KIFFIN DILEMMA, WHY CAM'RON REGRETS DOING THE VERZUZ & THE END OF AN ERA IN KC?

Episode Date: December 3, 2025

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And today, we are joined with our analyst, Maurice Claret. Well, what's up, man? Yeah. I got me a new quarter zip, baby. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's for you, all right, Bia.

That's for you. I was just about to say I take it. did you've seen yesterday's show? And I thank you for it. I thank you. I love you. I appreciate it. Hey, listen to me.

And I was interested. Hey, look, you said my colleague, I felt professional. So I was only right. Stack gave me the nickname Quarters Zip Mo. So,

stat is for you. Yeah. Yeah, it was a lot of anger coming from one yesterday, moment. Like, you know, that rivalry shit is kind of crazy. She just said,

fuck the whole state. I was like, God, dear. You know, It was real offensive, man. You know, but I felt the steam coming through the screen, pause. I was like, yo, Mo got on fire because you killed him with a little, like, subtle shit.

I like that. I remember last year she put the whole Moesha music and, you know, you didn't remember the Moesia intro, start running the bath water like she's journaling. I remember all that. Yeah, yeah. I will tell you, man, going to the game, driving up there from, like, probably, like a mile before we got to the stadium. It was nuts, right?

Literally from the time we entered just like the whole little stadium area, it was all type of people, just middle fingers at the bus. And I'm laughing. I'm thinking about this show. I'm thinking to myself like, this is what rivalry is about. You know what I'm saying? It's middle fingers from the time you get on the set to the time you get in the stadium, to the time you're walking down the tunnel.

You got the shelves and the pushes and all that. So it was just a crazy experience. That's what's up, man. Well, congratulations on the, to win, Arabia got a whole number year to figure it up. Yeah. Oh, and I told I was going to plant the flag. I was going

put the flag up. Did you see that? Oh, yeah. No, I appreciate it. So, listen, I appreciate this. She started talking crazy in the comments, but we love you, Arabia. You are good, but, yeah. But I took my L last year. You know, I learned my lesson. I learned. Look, she didn't understand, right?

So I'm going to teach y'all something. if you lose an argument one year you have to learn how to position yourself the next year to win the argument so you know you just you have to speak from a vantage point of a victor and then you know

so so that's when she wasn't understanding I didn't let low wait time got my get back and I had on the same quarter zip that I wore on the show just so she could see me so I still be wearing clothes

two three days in a row it's all good though Oh, yeah, I like that. That's when you're in the trenches, baby. Y'all remember when you came from, man. Yo, Mo, let me have to do this before the show start down. Listen, man, we know the Indiana traditionally is a basketball state. But this year has been looking kind of crazy, man. What's going to happen this weekend?

Number one gives number two is kind of crazy. We didn't expect Indiana to be number two. What you think? I mean, of course, I know what you're going to say. But this is like it might be a dog fight. Yeah, you might see me with these clothes on. Saturday, too. It's that type of time. Okay, okay, yeah. There you go.

No, I just, you know, so like, you got to give credit where credit is doing. It's a traditional basketball school, but Kurt Signetti, who's their coach, when you look at them on the film, they have, they play great team football, you know what I'm saying? At the collegiate level, that does mean a lot. Obviously, we go in there

with the expectation of winning, of doing what we've been doing. And my comfort comes from this. Our best, I feel, is better than they best. And so as long as we play our best, even if they played their best. I feel that our best is better than they best. And that goes from Matt Patricia, that goes to Ryan Day, that goes to Brian Hartline and our coaching staff that we have. I just feel our best is better than they best. And so, uh, but that's what

sports is all about. You have to show up and actually do what you say you're going to do and do the things that you as coach to do. So, uh, great quarterback. He's a husband candidate. Um, and the thing I keep out, I was talking to Nick about this before the show, uh, like the elements of a good, uh, team is like good pursuit to the football. What's the ball thrown. So when you kind of see them on defense, they mimic a lot of stuff that we do. And so, you know, if you just want to watch a good game, Saturday night, we play an indie for the Big Ten championship. So it would be a good game. But, you know, we go on with the expectation that we wouldn't, and we're setting the tone for the game. So that's the expectation.

That'll be dope. We will see what happens. And then also, Maurice, just in general, it's just been a winning year for you as a whole. So I just feel like your good energy, your good spirits, all that is just shining through. So shout out to y'all. But trying to tell you set up down with the show down with Ohio State business with i mean trying to tell y'all think i'd be joking so i think this is part of the winning phobia let's just hold the fuck up my team is the browns man all right now so hold on Look, so, look, so since I've been popping again, the Denver Broncos actually reached out, and they said, yo, you know, you got drafted.

Even though you didn't play, you still invited. So I said, I think I got to. Oh, nigger going back to Denver's crazy. Come home with me. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I got the Maurice Clorette jersey for Denver, man. So, we look, so the head, look, so the dude who's in.

in charge of inviting people back, he shoot me an email with the, you know, Broncos logo, you know, they got the official emails with the header and all that stuff. And so he's like, yo, you know, DJ Williams, he played here. He's like, yo, I know things didn't work out. And so, you know, when you up, you want everybody to see you, right? So I'm up now, right? And so he's like, yo, won't you come on out back to Denver? So I'm going to accept the invitation.

Oh, shit. So technically we win. Oh, man. I ain't mad at that though I ain't mad at that I can't get mad at that I can't get mad at that but I'm going to lie to you Mo

you're on a different type of fire then you're on a different type of fire in and you invoke back to the devil you're on a different type of fire I've seen what you know what's crazy I've seen that in the comments with the you in Arabian's post that somebody said

Mo got you 2-0 this year and she wrote back how he said Ohio and Denver and I was like oh nigga going back the Denver's crazy

I didn't get it okay I understand that so you know I don't know I don't know

I can't no but I just say but this show is part I'm part of all winning things I'm proud to say it I used to be a part of losing shit

so I'm just a part of a bunch of Yeah, they wasn't mad with you then, Mo. They wasn't mad with you when you was losing. No. And my Huskies won last night. They beat Kansas. Yeah, Mo, quarter Zip.

Here we go. Here we go. There you go, the Hussein. It's early, Mo. It's early. They beat Kansas. They ranked. It was a great game in case y'all caught it.

Pause. So, you know, hey, share the good news. Listen, man, I ain't mad at you, Mo. Keep shining. he was definitely waiting for this moment okay so one of the biggest stories right now in college football so now former o'miss coach lane kiffin has announced his decision to leave the school and coach ls u so he will not be coaching o'miss in the playoffs and he has lined up most of his offensive staff to join him at lsu so it was reported he told the staff if they're not

in the plane to bat enrooge today they won't have spot on staff so bruce considering the and then just everything that's unfolding, what's going on, what we've seen. First, do you think that there's a right way to leave your team? I think in this scenario, I don't think that there was any way that he was going to leave and people was going to accept it. And the main reason is this. Ole Miss hasn't been relevant since forever. And he took Old Miss from oblivion and not relevant to basically, basically be in a powerhouse

and having a chance to win, go win a championship. And when I looked at this, this looked like a more steroid version of like what Dion did for Jackson State, where no matter how much you good you do for people, people are just mad to see you leave. And like even though they weren't really talked about, and I'm talking about Jackson State prior to, and even though somebody came and bolstered the school up and brought relevance and brought ticket sales and brought you into a new spotlight, I just said that there's no right way to do it. But, you know, like, how do you, when you divorce somebody? Like, what is the right time to leave your kids? You know what I'm saying? I don't know. And so I know Lane Kiffin catches a lot of flak for leaving, and you can nitpick it

in regards to how he did it. But I don't know. And part of me even asking this question was, you know, I'm just asking from, you know, with Mason Cam, I was like, you know, understanding the circumstances of the situation. I just want to hear different people's viewpoints on it, you know. Is there a right way to leave or what is their thoughts on him leaving, you know, Ole Miss to go to LSU? knowing the LSU has a little bit more prominence with their program and Ole Miss isn't viewed in the same light as, you know, LSU per se.

Yeah, I think this is a real, very interesting scenario, especially when it comes to somebody leaving a program as they're turning a program around. I think when you got a program that's turned into a situation where they're playing in the playoffs, that you always see one thing through. You leave when their time is feasible for yourself, but also for the people that you gave your word to and things of that nature. It's just what you do as an honorable person because leaving them in the middle of them going to the playoffs and they never had relevancy. It's just, it's almost like cutting their legs off to go do the things that you feel like you were able to do or able to bring about. Because it is the success that you gathered here. that's allowing them to want you over here. So I would definitely see that through.

And then you made another interesting point about when you said, when is it a good time to leave your kids? Even if you're divorced and a divorce, if you're going to divorce somebody, you never leave your kids. That's just what I would think. But sometimes you do, some people do have to get out of there, you know? And it's just their situation. But I think even then leaving them, you don't leave the kids.

So if you promise those kids, You're going to be at that program, and you went to the house to get the, to get the, um, the blessing from that parent to bring their kids somewhere. You don't just abandon their kids. But this is something I've been trying to echo for quite some time. But it's just, it's just people think differently when it comes to money. And I understand that as well. I'm not immune to that.

Sometimes the money is speaking louder than the integrity. And that's just where we are as a society. That's what Lane Kiffin do. Like, niggas be bugging, like, well, this is what he do his whole career. He'd get up and get out of there when he wanted to. That nigga coached Tennessee for like three hours and left. They got a better job in USC. He coached Tennessee for about three and a half hours and said,

yo, I think I got to get out of here. USC is more attractive and I'm going to get the front. This is what he do. I don't know why niggins even trust late. keeping the stay anywhere. Now, of course, they must think that his coaching skills are great. You know what I'm saying? He comes under Nick Saban and all that, and all that other stuff. But this, my nigger, surprised. This is what this nigger do. He never stays anywhere that long without a better opportunity. Now, I will say this. I love, you know, Ole Miss in the

past, they've been really good. He brought them back to have notoriety, like Moja said. But look, man, recruiting starts. tomorrow or today rather you got to get a jump you listen mo you know this what's saying more attractive oh miss a lSU if you're trying to if you're trying to recruit what's more attractive my nigga that's the conversation i wanted to have yeah i didn't want to cut me off when he was making his point just out of respect but this is the point this is the conversation i wanted to have yeah listen i get straight to it nigga my nigga, what's more attractive?

There's no disrespect in Mississippi. I think there's wonderful people out there, wonderful state. But it is some niggas stealing from the government when welfare and shit out there. Take it from the black people, giving it to the white people for a volleyball quarter of some crazy shit.

The world of the fuck it is. It's still a good old boy state now. Let's not get that fucked up. Secondly, when you think of LSU, You think of who they're playing. You think of the schedule. You think of the national games. You think of, damn, Justin Jefferson went here.

Damn, Jamar Chase went here. Damn, Joe Burrow won a championship here. It's rich in history when it comes to football. It's more attractive. Lastly, what I say is two more things. Secondly, like I just say, when you're recruiting, it starts. It's starting. They got to, you know, come on, nigga.

No way I'm mad, niggas. It's me and you. it's me and you now as far as what you and murder was talking about with the kids lane kiffin i don't go fuck about them kids lane kiffin always did what was best for him he didn't need never kid my nigga he will get up and go in the middle of the night you will wake up and me like yo where this nigga at fuck is you talking about that nigga lane kipper always will do with him always will do what's best for him and the reason now i just heard this last part, when Stats said that he told his staff, be on the flame tomorrow, y'all out of work.

The reason I feel that Lane Kiffin feels so strongly about that is because the way he left Ole Miss again, he tried to run down on a reporter because the reporter, the reporter said you can't turn the hole into a housewife. I'm to a housewife. So I seen that shit, Lane Kippen. Kiffin ran down on, nigga. Like, you called me a ho. Right, right.

Fuck you're in here. So, then you leave and go to LSU. So, niggas, like, this is why we called you a home. We know that you can't turn the home with your house. Like, you're not staying. So, nigga, like, Lane Kiffin mentality is fuck Mississippi, fuck Ole Miss. And if you're my nigger, you'll be on that flight in the morning

and get your shit sent out there. We ain't doing nothing Mississippi related. The niggas calling me a huck. Fuck is wrong with niggis. But if I'm any kid. to any parent, I would never trust Lane Kifflin on anything when it comes to stand anywhere because he always does what's best for them. Now, if you get $91 million, seven years, he's averaging $13 million a year. You know, it's hard to turn that down and be somewhere sexy

at the same time. So don't ever trust Lane Kiffler stand anywhere, anywhere. It's track record says different. Yeah, but what, and so what Ole Miss was saying was that they matched the money and that they were going to give them more and to me it just felt like it's like the girl who wants you and she's doing everything for you and no matter what she does like hey i'm moving on i'm going to do something else that's what that situation feel like to me with lay and kiff and no miss what it is is this more right you got a you got you got you got a you got a business established doing her things and you got a business that you just built up and she ain't really like that but you made I like that but she still ain't this bitch and they both got the same

thing I'm going with the business already established and know what she's doing and niggins is more attractive to her this shit little more attractive I know you got what she got but when I'm walking down the street this look a little better I had to build you up to be like this bitch that's that's what he's saying I know y'all both got to make the same amount yeah y'all both make the same amount of money in year, but look a little better when I'm walking with this bitch. That's what he's saying. That's what they don't want to say out loud.

Yeah, that's what I'm here. I get what you're saying about. That's what we're at with society. Yeah, that's where we're at, you know? You just got to make it up as you go on, you know? So a lot of people obviously have different views on how it should have been handled. if he even had the chance to still coach oldness, if he should be able to, a lot of different directions, but I kind of want to put you guys in this situation and kind of put you guys in his

shoes. Have you guys ever had to make an unpopular decision that was the best for you, but maybe others didn't understand where you were coming from or your perspective about it? Because I know everybody thinks how they think about it, but Lane Kiffin, kind of like Ken was saying, Anne Maurice and Mace, like, he does this. He's going to choose what he thinks is the best option for him, which is, I think, what people should do in life. But have you guys, has ever been in a similar situation like that? Yeah, for me, it was choosing to leave school early when everybody thought I should stay and do something in my mind, in my head.

I thought that I was doing the right thing at the time, you know, based on information that I had and based upon how I seen life, and no matter what everybody told me, it just wasn't making sense. You know what I'm saying? So that's why on some level I empathize with him because, like, sometimes when you just function at a certain level of consciousness, no matter what somebody's, you know, says to you, and no matter how it looks, you justifying your head why you want to make the decisions that you make.

Maybe unpopular, may work out, may not work out, but in some regard, if you've been down that role before, you'd be like, okay, I've done this before. So it was me and leave a school early, no matter how crazy it sounded to everybody else, like, based on how I was living and seeing the world at the time out, that's what I, that was my answer for the question. Yeah, to my, to my answer, I feel like that's been my whole life. every everything i've ever done i think has been that way so i do understand that's why i said i understand this is where society is like sometimes you just see things before they happen and you

want to be on the right side of history especially if you see something and you know it's going that way you definitely want to make the decision that puts you in a in a right position for the future so i definitely understand that it's just when i heard cam talk about it if this is what he's always done then they had no right to expect anything different because this is what's always been the case you know what you're getting it's like getting mad that that kim kardashian moves on or somebody like that you know this is what's going to happen bro i love her statement when she said you think i just came this far paused to come this far that was crazy i say why didn't i think of that that was a crazy I ain't just come this far to come this far. Yeah, listen, I can't think enough in the top of my head, but absolutely 100%. You know, you've been doing this 30 years,

so you have to make decisions the best resource. But I can name a lot of decisions that wasn't good because I was trying to be a team player. You know what I'm saying? Like, I told niggas. That's a good thing. Go ahead. I like, yo, yeah, like, yo, my nigger.

I should have never did diversions. I told niggas don't do the versus told niggas I don't want to do the versus but I'm a team player and it was the wrong decision that I made no more of that

no more that no more that so yeah you know you killer when I was watching the versus the only thing I kept thinking I was like

yo if you would have done the takeover after Kiss did who shot you? It would have been in a different day, killer. I had a whole freestyle ready and all that. Listen, man.

It's crazy, man. I try to be team players a lot of times. That's the first thing that came to my brain when you said wrong decisions. It's a wrong decision.

I actually kind of have one, but mine are all school because we know you guys are like watching my journey as is happening like one it's just like in school the thing was to go to like the colleges that were like nearby and I was like well I want to be in a major city like my I thought so in reflection I've had so many teachers who tried to tell me I can't do what I want to do they're like this isn't sensible it's not cost effective it doesn't make sense it's not reliable and I did it like I was good in school but I I didn't listen to any of them.

I had the teacher trying to tell me, well, because of the acceptance rate at Miami, I don't really know if that's the best choice for you. Mind you, my grades were good. So I'm like, what do you mean? It's not the best choice for me because I'm looking at you telling other people that they should do it. But then when it comes to me, you're telling me that I shouldn't do it. Same way with my teachers in college. When I'm telling them, I got to go do something.

They're like, well, I don't really know if that's going to be feasible. So I really think you should worry about your test instead. Like, I'm worried about my test, but I'm still going to do what makes sense to me because y'all don't see the vision that I got for myself. So it was a lot of those that just people wanting to tell you how to live your life for a path that they would never cross to begin with. So in the time being, it sounds like it makes sense because you're like, oh, like, shoot, maybe they know what they're talking about because they're a teacher. But a lot of the times, no, no, you got to figure it out. But I wonder if Lane Kiffin thinks that that's what makes him great.

You know, the same thing that we call him crazy for or selfish for. I wonder if he draws up football plays or crafts his team that way. And so he attributes that to his genius. So even as you hear him talk, like everybody said the same thing that he's essentially done, you know, where you follow yourself. And so I don't know. Like it just hard for me to criticize people like that knowing that I've done something similar.

Right. I mean, you never really know, you know, what people are going through in their shoes. And so all you can do is just respect the journey that they think makes sense to them. But Mace always says this. Like you literally will not know until the outcome comes. So we will just see if in the end it works out how it's supposed to. We'll know we'll be able to tell the end. But in the journey.

You did you did make it to the midterms in Tidal Town. You did make it to your midterm. And that was a good one, Statt. The end will always let you know if you made the right decision. That was good, stat. You always say, y'all all have like good gems that are like good quotables. like sometimes thing about

when you talk about teachers and shit like that number's people who play as safe I'm a risk take them

you know what I'm saying like this shit that I do what we do now super easy I was gambling with my freedom

like like for real that's not cool when he looks back on it but you're gambling with your freedom

crazy low-no I'm laughing Why he got smiled so much Yeah, man This shit easy This shit fun That's why I can't even really get me

Man with none of this This shit all easy and fun my niggas Yeah, it could be worse Could be way worse, you know Y'all are definitely living life Never play with my freedom But I'm happy that, you know We are all here for this journey

Because it's real dope. Okay So this isn't related to Lane Kiff in a little bit of similarities, but I want to get you guys perspective on this. So in sports and entertainment, Maurice first, what do you think the difference is between having success in a large market versus a smaller market? Yeah, and I'll just say when I, when I crafted the question, it was really more for Mason Cam. From a music standpoint, I'll tell this, I just thought about like, for whatever reason

I thought about Technine and him being for, he's he from Kansas City? or something something something in that midwest area i thought about guys from texas where they have regional music right and sometimes they'll be localized and like have and not to say that texas is a small market it's a large state but i thought about like is there a difference with people wanting to have success in new york and l.a and Chicago versus yonis wanting to have success in milwaukee you know what i'm saying and i say what attracts the person this is more for them you know like what attracts a person don't want to do something in a major market that they can do in a smaller market and what goes

behind the decisions of that. And I was just trying to have the parallels between music and entertainment. Yeah, I think everything is different when it pertains to bigger markets versus smaller markets. Whether you're talking about the food, you're talking about the women, you're talking about the clubs, I mean, on every level is going to be different. It's going to be different in the money, even if you got branding deals. your brand becomes bigger and a bigger market you know is is bigger bill not that people use billboards anymore but back in the days they they played into that because they know we could put you on a bigger scale in this market we could sell more shoes we can sell more cleats we can sell more

basketballs whatever it is that they're they're trying to sell that bigger market makes it bigger as well as you can you can score 20 points in a in a sea market and be and be cool and you spent you you you scored 20 points on a market and you're and you're like a god we're watching that with um jalen brunson jalen brunson does the same thing in another city and he's just he's dope he's cool but in new york it's like man jalen brunson you know it's a it's a whole new morale that comes with it when it's in a different city is the visibility is even the media the media is going to be different you watch a russell wellson You ride's Russell Wilson in Pittsburgh.

He didn't get as near the flag that he got in New York. Because in New York, everything is faster. We don't have, we don't, it's not a small town. Everything we got to destroy you today and we're about tomorrow, tomorrow. They don't even wonder about tomorrow. If the story is this today, that's what we're running with today. And if you make it out of the mud or you make it from the pit tomorrow and resurrect yourself, we'll deal with that tomorrow. but today this is who you are

and that's just how a big market moves. It moves much faster, much greater, and produces far greater. This is a good question, Moe, because I think, you know, we had Michael Irvin talking on the show and he was saying how

he wanted to be on the billboard on 34th Street and 42nd Street, Tom Square, when he was coming up and I was like, Mike, they didn't even doing billboards no more. You know what? What the fuck are you talking about?

Mike said, Mike say, yeah, I got to get out of Sears, man, and get on Amazon. You said, I say, yeah, you're right. And I think because of social media, a lot of things caught up. You know, it used to be where, for instance, right, you could go, let's just a down south country town, and you talk to the girls, she can't wait to turn around. Hey, yo, dude, I hear that accent, you ain't from here, y'all, y, yada. Now she got a hundred twenty-three thousand followers, and she's like, hey, excuse me.

But she's still out the month and flip-flops on and all that night. She's walking in the dirt and all that. Feet, a little dirty on the back and all that. But she got a hundred twenty-three thousand followers. So she's feeling herself. Social media and shit catch up. Now you think about music, right? Let's go to the music standpoint of the joint.

When you want something, let's just use New York. It's a fight. Everybody's trying to get on. Everybody's a rapper. I'm talking about, you know, I'm talking about when I was coming up. But then you think about somebody like no limit or cash money, how they just had the whole south to the Midwest, to even the West Coast, to where New York was laid on.

And they built a conglomerate. I say this all the time, right? Look at, and it's no diss, because they always take shit the wrong way. It's no dis. look at the Atlanta rapper's lifestyle compared to New York rapper's lifestyle. Houses,

all type of different cars laid out in front of their shit. New York rappers ain't got the money Atlanta rappers got. Those niggas got some paper. New York niggins, they got two, three cars, if that, and they got a little piece of drink.

Not saying that the cost of living isn't lower in Georgia than it is in New York, but they make it look spectacular. Yeah, it's like when phone master flex was saying he wanted mass peter come in new york and he's like yo can't let him know uh we're gonna spin the shit out of his record yo it's gonna be crazy da da da da da and mass p said i don't gonna fuck about new york i don't need them niggas he's like i'm good everywhere else but new york don't fuck i don't care about that shit so mason's 100% correct we always want to shine in

new york it's a big market and i don't think it's a big immediate place in the world Then New York. Then you got L.A., of course. But if you're making more money where you at and you're shining then where you at, listen, I went to Ohio and got man love. Not saying I wasn't getting love in New York, but you got to think about this, right?

Who's shouting out Dayton, Ohio? Who's shouting out Springfield? Who's shouting out Reynoldsburg? Who's shouting out Toledo? You know what I'm saying? Of course we can name Cleveland, Cincinnati, in Columbus, but I'm in the crevices. I think it's like, well, never, and I'm a mainstream artist.

The love is crazy because I'm shouting out towns to never get, and the money show different. So of course you want to shine in the big towns, but it's about what you're in it for. You want to get more money, or you want to shine? And that, and Mason's right. A lot of shit comes with being in New York. You look at the advertisement and the endorsement,

shit you get 1,000 percent, But then you got to not be a businessman, leverage it if you're not in the main market either. I thought that was a great question, Mo. Yeah, it is a great conversation overall. And back to, it's kind of related, but not really. But back to what you were saying about even just like people with like a large amount of followers and stuff too. It's like people also, I don't understand why people think that also translates to real life. Because just because you got a lot of followers or you got a verify check, you can still be corny.

You can still be lame. So it's like, I'm just saying, like, the whole blue check, you could buy that now. The whole followers, you could tell, like, just because you may have this amount of followers whatever does not mean that translates to real life. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. And you can grow, and you could grow your following, you know, you could grow your following. You could start out in those markets like killers saying, and then make your way to a big

city like New York. So everybody's success doesn't come the same way. Some people's success come the latter way. And I think those that gain their success, the latter way, last much longer than those that just pop in the big cities first. I'm affirming. Let me ask you this, right? So, and this is a question that came up. What do you all think, and this is Elaine Kiffin, what do you think that, what, everything y'all just said, what do you think that he's getting an old in LSU, and y'all probably answered it, that he isn't getting an old miss, even though those aren't, like, the city size is probably similar, Baton Rouge and Oxford, and they both probably southern towns and so on and so forth. But like, what do you think he believed that he's

getting, and they're in the same conference? He believes he's getting a notoriety. It's like winning in old miss is different than winning an LSU. It's the same trap that most young players used to fall for and going to North Carolina when really they would have been a legend if they went to NC State but they wanted to wear that Carolina Blue Carolina Blue yeah I get what you say yeah they wanted to go with the the story of I was a part of this historic program instead of making history at your own program yeah like I just told you man I can't think of a better analogy than the bitch, man. And like you said, far as city-wise, you're 100% correct.

Like, it isn't New Orleans and Baton Rouge, but Banerouge, an hour, 10-minute drive from New Orleans, not far from Texas. I just think that the school to say, look, when I was young, right, I didn't even pay attention to the situation of who's the point guard, who's the two-guard, who's, how many? years left. I just remember being in the sixth seventh grade and one to go to the school

called Talenton, because that's where all the good players went. Like talent, like, they end up shutting down, you know, Malik Sealy, Adrian and Orchie, like, all the good niggins who went to Talent Time. So I'm like, yo, when I get to high school, I want to go to Talent Time. I didn't even know

the guard situation. I didn't know if I would be on the path to play freshman, a JV. I just knew the school name was Talenton. And I don't. I'm not saying that people aren't doing their homework, but it's attractive. It's more attractive than Ole Miss, in my opinion.

Gotcha. Oh, good points. Okay, we're going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss the end of eras for your favorite teams. Don't go anywhere. Esauk Pitbull Cruz, ferocious, fierce, ball bite. Lamont, the weeper roach, patient, precise, deadly. This isn't a battle.

It's a war. This is war. Plus, champions collide as Laura faces Johnny Beck in a battle for all the belts. This is war, war, war. Fidville versus Roach, Saturday live on PBC pay-per-view on Prime Video. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. We're going to get into basketball.

Tonight, the Kings will play the Rockets. Underdog has Kevin Durant at 25 and a half points. Do you have them higher or lower mace? I got to go higher This is KD We're on a row I look forward to us Winning it this year

Yeah I'm gonna go higher Man You know I've seen some shit the other day KD was playing 2K against Amen On his team

And they was both saying Who would you pick first I guess they're putting teams Together on 2K And they both said That they was picking and won't be first. And then I forget who A man said,

who is second player he was going to pick? KD. He's like, who you pick a second? KD said, me. I'm going to cheat code. He's like, you play with your son? He said, yeah, me, me of me, a LeBronner. He said, me, I'm going to cheat code on 2K.

Katie was, is mad arrogant, and I like it. We need more of that, man. Higher. No, that's late. And Boone is at 22 and a half points. You have higher, lower, cam? Lower. Lower.

Mm. Who they're playing again, the Rockets? The Kings. Yeah, the Rockets are playing. The Kings, oh, I'm going higher. He's definitely going to have higher against the Kings. Okay, and Zach Levine is at 19 and a half points. You have a higher, lower Mace?

Higher. I'm going higher. I'm going to go lower. Okay. Make sure I'll download the Underdog app, and you can make your picks too. So I'm not trying to jump the gun here, but from what we're seeing, we're going to talk NFL NBA. two very popular teams.

Do you guys think we're watching the end of an era with the Chiefs? And then on the basketball side, the Warriors, maybe the end of the era for both, or maybe the end of the era for none. Maurice? Yeah, for the Chiefs, and I've kind of, you know, I think like everybody else you saw like surges of the Chiefs where they reminded you of the old Chiefs

and then they remind you the new Chiefs and it remind you the old Chiefs and the new Chiefs. I think you're not watching an end of an era with Patrick Mahomes, but I think you're watching it with all of the other pieces that he had to make him successful. So I think the Chiefs, I would be surprised if they made a run this year to the AFC Championship and potentially to the Super Bowl where, you know, a few weeks ago I thought that they couldn't be beat, you know, when they beat the Colts that came back and beat those guys.

So I think you're watching it circumstantially with the Chiefs. But Golden State, you know, I think Golden State to me looks like that team, that assemble, and I don't mean this in any bad way, like, you know, when they had a symbol like Carl Malone and Gary Payton and Shaq, not Shaq, but y'all remember the dudes that they assembled for the Lakers. Yeah, Steve Nash, and all that. Yeah. And then after that, it was LeBron, Carmelo and Dwight Howard.

And Mello, my man, LeBron, my man, Dwight Howard. I don't know him, but I think it looks like that when you got Jimmy Butler, Draymond Green, and then Steph Curry. I think that's the end of an era. and then for whatever reason, man, now that you have so many podcasts and media, when you start to see guys and more of where you see them as outside the game, be it with Steph and what he has going on and draybond in the media, I just think those are signs where guys focuses are, you know, elsewhere and in a transition.

So I just think you're watching the end of an era with two teams. Wow, Mo, I couldn't have even said it better. So I'm definitely going to shadow some of the most of the, what you said in a different way. When it comes to the Chiefs, that's exactly what I'm thinking. It's the end of the era with these niggas. We're not going keep having these niggas around

why Patrick Mahon is still playing in his glory. We've got to get rid of these niggins. And listen, the same way they got rid of Clay, we might have to get rid of Kelsey. It's just him and Taylor Swift might have to take their show on the road.

You know, she's, she's touring. Go tour. if that's what you want to do exactly is when you start seeing niggas like most said and in um what you call it in podcasts and all of these things outside more than you see them doing the main thing the main thing is not the main thing no more and that's part of the problem that it's not really the end of an era if niggas would keep the main thing the main thing but they're not they're trying to brand diversify and i get it but don't forget the main thing. This is, I never thought the time would come where I would have to have a come on my

nigger moment with a white guy. This is a come on my nigger moment with a white boy. Listen, come on, Kelsey, we, we understand love, but it's just going to be about love. Gone survivors, man. We're here for football, man. Niggins still want to win. And it's hard sometimes when you with people that don't want to win no more, you know, you don't want to win no more. see it in his eyes he's in love you know the emoji with the hearts in his eyes and he's just you know he ain't thinking about football he's thinking about romance and and and and honeymoans and all that and i get it shout out to him shout out to the swifties don't come for me because they can't cancel me i'm not a part of that culture listen and when it comes the golden state right

Golden State is over Golden State Listen I don't care who's on that team And I hate to say it Step is still shooting from the gym out the gym The same thing We got to get rid of these niggas I know this is your mission

But if we plan on winning We're going to have to package Jimmy Butler and Draymond I know and this is hard for me to say I never thought in a million years I'd say this But Golden State best option right now is to package all them niggas. And get them niggas out of here, I think also the best thing they need to do,

Mike Dunleavy, is trade the coach. Nigger y'all did it with, um, who's that? Who is that? Doc Rivers? We probably can get a good two players. for the coach right now. Steve Kirk could get us a good player. Can they still trade coaches?

They did it with Doc. They need to trade Steve Kerr too, man. It's just a clean shop. Everything but... Renovate the whole house. Renovate the whole house, man. But when you got a player like Steph, you could put Steph with a big man,

an elite big man. You could put him with Janus and somebody else. And that whole franchise is totally done. different overnight overnight right now overnight it wouldn't even matter overnight so i would say everything must go but stuff man and it is an era it's the end of both of them errors with the niggas they would it's just i've come as far as i can come with y'all niggas man the niggas got a niggas got to stop holding niggas back man sometimes it's just the end you got to let niggas go on and be great um

No, I don't think it's an error for the chief state. They just got to find some pieces. You know, Tom Brady doesn't win every year when he was winning. You know, when you sit there, you know, a lot of times you think about repeats and, I forget what it's even called right now. When three times on the three peat, whatever, that doesn't happen a lot. You think about the Spurs. Like, you know, people know the Spurs in my team. The Spurs is greatest they were, and people consider them a dynasty.

I'm talking about the Tim Duncan era of the manager. They never won a back-to-back championship ever. So as, and Tom Brady is going to be years after his first three years, he didn't win back-to-back. You have to take some time you have to do what you guys are talking about. See who's going to fit and see who's not going to fit pores. And what's going to work best around the key pieces. Me, I think Travis Kelsey's getting older, but I went to kick him to the bus.

You got to realize they had Tyree Kill and Tyree Kill used to matter, even though they won after Tyree Kill as well. They went to the Super Bowl the last two years. It's just that we're expecting greatness from Kansas City and we're not seeing that this particular year and people want to throw them under the bus. Listen, man, I'm not throwing Kansas City under the bus. Travis Kelsey is still ranked top five tight ends in the league right now,

even though he's not playing as well as he used to play and he's getting older. That's why they only gave him with two-year extension. He's getting older and that's just the way it is. And tight ends, they don't only block. They get hit when they catch the ball. They get a lot of body damage, poor to them niggas, playing throughout the, that's why we see Grunk retire and then come back, so on and so

forth. So I wouldn't throw Kansas City away, but I do agree with Mesa saying you have to get some more pieces around Patrick Holmes and the last couple years for Travis Kelsey because he only got a couple years left before he's going to retire. But it's about the pieces around them. But I would not say it's the end of an era for Kansas City. Absolutely not. We've seen Tom Brady and Bill Belichick lose several years. years. Not a lot, but they lost a couple years. And like I said, because Philadelphia won, we forget the Kansas City was even in the Super Bowl, hobbled with that. So that's my opinion on Kansas City. I wouldn't throw them on the bus. As far as the Golden State, warriors are

concerned. I don't know. You figure this, right? They said it was the end of an era for Golden State, and then Golden State won the championship. They won the chip like four years ago. Now, four years ago isn't yesterday, but they still have it. When you have stuff, Curry on the court, you got a chance. But this is another situation, like y'all just said, you have to get better pieces around him, around them. And sometimes I question their acquisitions that they get as far as trades are concerned. You had a chance, think about this, right?

You had a chance a couple years ago, even though we know he's an injury prone. And maybe he wouldn't have been that injury prone. Yeah, if you get lamello ball. But you don't draft lamello ball for what reason, I don't know why. You end up draft a homeboy. I don't even know if he's still in the league. Big man, he was pretty good in college. He didn't even play this whole time in college in Memphis,

but you pass up on a mellow ball. Sometimes I think the Golden State are very loyal to Steph Curry and to Draymore and Green, and I think that they take a lot of their feelings into consideration, as they should. You know, you guys got through four championships in the last decade or so. But you have to also make decisions beneficial for the organization moving forward.

And I don't know if they always do that. Golden State has not had a legitimate center in three, four years. I know they like to play small balls, so on and so forth. But they haven't had a legitimate center, and I don't know how long. And the other day, like I said, Draymore and my nigger, Draymore and won by street over there, Draymore towers over me, pause. But when I see him standing trying to go on Wembe, I'm like, yo, But just ain't okay

Winby made Anthony Davis look like a little nigga. You know what I'm saying? So you have to get some sides in there. Buddy Hill, he's okay. Jimmy Butler, he's cool, but Jimmy Butler's one of the people that's trying to fit in and not be the man. And sometimes you may need to be the man.

So I'm not actually sure if it's older for Golden State. Because if you think about them right now, if the playoffs started, they're in the eighth seat right now. Now, you don't want to go up against the number one seed, which is SGA and them, niggas, that's what you don't want to do. But at the end of the day, you can't really count out stuff curry. But as far as they win the championship with this roster that's orchestrated at this moment, I don't think they can do it.

Yeah. As a, more, as an advocate of new hotness, it's over for them niggas, man. It's like, you can't keep Draymond around. That was what I was about to ask him. I was about to ask you that. They can't win against O KC. They can't win against San Antonio. Them niggas is like boxing.

You can't put an old slow nigger against a young bigger and faster, nigga. It's just no wins for that. The niggins not. I was going to say this, right? So I think I'm about to take football and pair to basketball. Would y'all agree that Pittsburgh held on to Ben Rafflesburg too long? I think that Draymond Green is Ben Rafflesberger. And I say that with all due respect where somebody does so much for a franchise

that you end up not drafting pieces or bringing people to your team because you're so loyal to the person who's majoring to what you are. And when I look at Draymond Green, go ahead. And I think when they let go of Clay, they should have let go, what you call it. I don't think they should have been more loyal to Draymond than Clay. I think Clay does it. exactly not the same but he he was as important as dray mon was to that nucleus if you're going break the nucleus up break it up and they get on try to keep parts of it if you're going

in a new direction going a new direction because it looks weird that they got rid of um um clay and not draymond to me because the splash brothers was not draymond Draymond was the glue of the team and the integrity of the team. And I'm putting respect on on Jemont Green, you know, stellar career, everything, not like that. But for the sake of basketball, if you're talking about breaking up this nucleus, you don't hold on to Rodman and let go Pippin. You just don't. If you're getting rid of Pippin, you let Rodman go too. Ain't no need to trying to keep Rodman because that's what I look at that.

You kept Jordan, you got rid of Pippin, and you kept robbing. What's the use? You still need robin. That's what they're missing right now. They're trying to replace it with Jimmy Butler, Buddy Hill, all these niggas to get the shooting that Clay used to produce. So that's the end of that era because you're now trying to find it and you haven't been able to find it.

And to Cam's point, I respect what Cam is saying, but when a team is declining this much year after year, like let's say um kansas city if you lose in the championship and then the next year you don't make the playoffs that's a major decline that's not like just a a step away or two steps away that's like you fell off the cliff that's why it's the end of the error stat because you won't get rid of this nigger that's exactly why it's the end of the error you're losing and And certain niggas can't be adjusted. Yeah, like I was saying, they're not getting rid of Draymore.

Because you have to think about this. Steph Curry is not a traditional point guard. Steph Curry is more of a two guard. He runs around all half-court offense and gets free to shoot threes. He's not a traditional point guard to where he's a Chris Paul, Isaiah Thomas, and so on so forth. Who gets him the ball? Draymond Green gets in the ball. It's the reason that Draymond Green, out of all of the great players,

that's been on the Golden State Warriors. It has the franchise record for triple doubles on the Gold of State Warriors. And don't get me wrong, it's the beneficiary of having Clay Thompson and having Steph Curry. But we've seen this when Jordan Poole was trying to run the point. Steph Curry, it takes chemistry to get Steph Curry the ball. And I'm not saying that you're wrong, Mace. Maybe that isn't why they're declining. But I'm just telling you, for the record, Steph is not going to get rid of them.

Maybe that maybe is down for, but Draymond Green knows how to get stuff carry the ball. Traditional point guard, that takes years of chemistry. You got to know where stuff's coming on. Screen, so on and so forth. And I thought Jordan Poole was really great for Golden State. I thought he was terrific. They won the championship that year that he actually played for them. But you can see the rest of the team's body language, and that's part of being the GM.

It was like a hard, imagine how hard of the decision that it is. for Jerry West. God bless the day. When you got Shaq and Kobe beefing, and you get rid of Shaq, you're like, you sure you want to get rid of Shaq, nigga, not Kobe?

And that's a decision as a GM which you're going to have to make with some players are happy with you, but that's just the decision you got to make. But I just know from conversations when you hear stuff Curry talk, Draymar's not going nowhere as long as he there,

maybe they'll just sink together for us. Macy's saying, I don't know. Like I said, you guys have some opportunity to get some good people and it just went over the GM's head. I don't know if his feelings or so on and so forth. But I'm not ready to throw the Kansas City Chiefs under the bus before

to the Golden State Warriors. If I had to pick one or the other, I've definitely picking Golden State. But not, you got Patrick Mahones, you got a chance. Yeah. And I would get rid of Jimmy Butler for a lamello ball in a heartbeat. Yeah. Well, I think that should have been sealed, man. Jimmy Butler is older now.

Lamello's still young. Lamello's problem is injury. He can't stay on the court. But what I'm trying to say is he, you know, he looks like, Bumello looks always look like he's playing in 24-hour fitness. He's just out there having fun. When he's playing basketball,

it don't even look like he takes that shit seriously. And he'd be having fun. But I think that shit does sell. But maybe if you play on a team like that, you're not doing as much, you don't get hurt as often. Yeah. Good point. I was just going to say end of an era is just,

such a like a strong term and I wish there was another word for it because all of you guys made great points that I fully agree with because I just feel like some people are just generational talents like even Patrick Mahomes like even though the chief's record isn't what we thought it would be at he's still best quarterback in the league and even Steph Curry like less than a month ago he's still dropped a 40 piece at the age that he's at and going back to just like with the Warriors, and I know, like, that's the truth that we wanted to see with Clay. That's still situational because there were other things, like, even just regarding contract negotiations and then, like, Clay didn't know how he felt about coming off the bench. Like, he was upset

with what Steve Kerr, you know, was kind of like doing with his role with the Warriors. But back to what Cam said, it wasn't going to be just a decision like, okay, we're going to get rid of both of them because I also don't think that stuff would let that slide. But at the same time, I think that that kind of worked out how it needed. to and I don't think that we get rid of Draymond as well because I just feel like also yes it makes sense we want Draymond to still put up numbers and stuff but they can't say they owe him that loyalty but it's just like that's what would make the most sense for that organization and unfortunately you could take it as a good thing or a bad thing I still think it's a good thing I think you kind

of let it ride because it's not going to be forever until they're kind of ready to part ways individually. That's my take on that. I don't think that it would be a decision that's like, oh, we're also going to get rid of Drake. Like, I think Draymond would just be like, you know, next year I'm going to retire and that would be kind of that. And I just think that certain players do that. They didn't get rid of Clay Thompson. What happened was this. Clay Thompson contract was up. Yeah. Clay Thompson wanted to get paid mad bread when they paid them on the previous contract and he was hurt. He was hurt for two years in a row. And they like, yo, bro, we looked out and you wasn't even playing.

And we gave you that, yeah, we gave you that chicken. And Clay is like, yo, now, y'all got to give me more chicken. They're like, bro, you won't have to take a pay cut, my nigga. And Clay felt disrespected. Like, bro, y'all got everybody here. You paying everybody else. I want to get paid. But then they were saying that, look, we don't want you to leave.

We know what you mean to the organization. But we paid you and it was hurt. So you got to make up for that hurt pay and take a little, make a little, salary cut on this one. He's like, nah, fuck that. Fuck that salary cut. I'm going to go to Dallas. And it wasn't even for that much more money,

but Clay felt so disrespected that they wouldn't give him the max or whatever much money he won. He's like, fuck, I'm going to Dallas and he's going to pay me. Look, I think Clay Thompson's great and everything else. But as an organization, if we gave you that money and you fucked your ACL up, and you was injured before and got injured again, not even in regular season, in the off season, doing whatever else when you're playing.

Come on, my nigga, you got to look, come on. You can't do us a favor? Yeah. So when you guys be like they got rid of Clay, they didn't get rid of Clay. Clay left, his contract, but he just wanted more chicken than I think, you know, me personally, I wouldn't have gave him neither. We paid you when you wasn't even playing. I'm definitely not giving it to a call. Just to add to that, too, like, especially as they're getting older, all these players,

but NBA, NFL, too, they're going to try. they're going to see if they can get the money, which I get it, but also at the same time, you have to be willing to see kind of the end result of that. So I don't know. I just don't like the term end of an era, but I just think that things worked out kind of how it needed to. They're not the best record right now. That could change.

We don't know. We'll kind of see how things play. Look, you think about the Western Conference. It's tough. You know, you think about Houston. They all giants over there. You think about OKC. OKC won one game already.

lost one, only lost one game this whole season. You think about, you think about the Lakers is looking, Austin Reeves is looking good. They call the nigger A-R. I don't even like that name for the niggins. That you're referring to A-R, my nigger, let's call him the fuck down for him. You're looking at how Denver's looking right now?

It's a few teams that's looking really good. Don't get me wrong, Golden State is looking better than Memphis and the Clippers and other teams that we thought would prosper this far, but is it going to result to a championship? And not with the teams I just. this name, I don't think so.

Let me ask you a question. Stop, before you go, I don't know how much time we got left. And I ain't trying to burn no bread on nobody, but are you at the end of an era with Mike Tomlin, the Steelers? Hey, me. Yeah, that's why you're on the show, Moe. That's a good question. I know, just.

Yeah, Mo. That's why you on the show, Moe. That's a good question. that's a difficult question for me because here's the thing right even if Mike Tomlin decided to part ways any team who could snag Mike Tomlin is going to do so that's not what I actually I know that's not what you asked me but I did you get you're getting good at you're getting good at journalist or stat? That's not what I asked you. It's a great question. Hold on, Kevin. Just listen, no, stat. I'm just telling you my thought process. I cannot answer it like that, okay? First of all, I know anybody's

going to snack him. Second of all, Steelers are just known for keeping coaches. Like, we've had the same three coaches in the past 50 years. Bill Cowher. That's not going to change. So I'm like, if Mike Tomlin and the Steelers parted way, I think that would be a Mike Tomlin decision. I don't think it's going to come from the Steelers. So with that being, said, that's my answer. You didn't answer the question. It is up to Mike Tomlin, whether he wants to leave or not. Do I want him to leave?

Obviously, my answer is no, because I don't think he's a great coach. But I don't want to see him, I don't want to see him go coach another team. To be honest, what you were statis saying is correct, though. And what she's trying to do is stay safe because this day she threw Mike Tomlin under the bus on the show. So that was a great question, Moe. But, you know, not even taking aside because once she bought papers in and entered the portal, I was just done with her. But to be totally honest with you, if Mike Tomlin left the Steelers, he had a job in seven minutes.

No doubt. Anywhere else, and then the problem is you don't want to coach against him. Mike Tomlin will not be unemployed for longer than, realistically, more than a day and a half, at maximum. So that's a great answer, but stat, you didn't answer the question. I hear you. I'm answering it the best way that I can because I'm never you and my mouth will never say

yeah my Tomlin needs to go like that is not even that's not even there so the decision yeah when the cameras ain't on no but so just think about this the same thing that you were muddling around with is what

GMs deal with where they can't make the decision because they're mostly tied to it and so the this is the Lane Kiffin thing the same thing we criticize Lane Kiffin for it's the same thing we all just went through an exercise and seeing it, it's tough. And so certain things you just can't do,

like get rid of Mike Tomlin. And I'm pretty sure, you know, you know, people's families and everything else. And I don't know, it's just tough being in their position. It's super tough, especially because of how important relationships are. It's just life. But in the comments down below, let us know what y'all think the still are to do.

And then let us know if you think the chiefs or even the Warriors are at the end of an era. What is how they're doing? Or the Steelers. It's the end of an era. No. It's not. They didn't even have an hour to start with.

That's since the 70s. Anyways. You got to go back to Lynn Swan and them niggas. It's a movement. If you guys were still, do you know Lynn Swan is that? You're talking way back.

Exactly. I wasn't even walking from me. Honey, Pam. I wasn't born neither. I'm just trying to tell you that's when they was clicking. Terry Bradshaw and them niggas, man. And you didn't see she trying to throw a shot as you said she was born in 19-hundred. I'm cool with it.

Now, she ain't thought, listen, I am happy to be born when I'm born. I'll tell you that right now, Mo. I'm dumb happy about it because I get to see niggas panicking when they phone is not working with shit is not saying I'm just seeing when I be seeing young niggas panic I love it because they can't they wouldn't even know to survive without a phone or anything else man so I love seeing technology grow and people grow with it but I'm happy to be born in 1900s because you know why you too

mo we from the hustlers and these niggins it's the users the junkie era Papa Perkins sipped some leave. Paint your nails and all that. Buy your purse. All right. It was a pleasure to have you on the show. Always.

Moga seeing you, man. Appreciate it. Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.