IT IS WHAT IT IS - LEBRON JAMES CAN'T EVER BE THE GOAT! S6 EP35

Episode Date: March 6, 2025

Ma$e & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one!! On this episode, Trysta Krick fills in for Killa to talk about the RAIDERS paying All Pro DE Maxx Crosby and becoming the highest paid non QB in the NFL, was this the right move?! Then, Dak redoes his contract to help Dallas make some moves this offseason and a WR in Seattle wants to be traded, does DK Metcalf head to Big D (pause) Then Ma$e gives Lebron James his flowers for becoming the 1st player in NBA history to score 50,000 points but says this "LeGoat" talk is wild talk! Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Support the show and sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code CAM and get a $1000 first deposit match, and a Special Pick'em pick. Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson , Producer Ayooo Nick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm Treasurer Wilson, aka STATbaby, along with your host Mace. Cam will be back and today we are joined with our analyst Trista. Trista, how you feeling? How you doing? Trista, what's going on? Oh man, I'm loving life. I have a little kombucha here. We're turnt up. I'm on the East Coast.

So we're bright and early. Real early over there. But hey. And what's kombucha? Is that like a daily thing? Like you take it all the time? Like I've never even drank that before What's well I cut off I cut out caffeine

Okay, and so I kind of like the carbonation and something a little bit sweet something a little bit tart Okay, and this is kind of all I all I got I cut out coffee cut out soda cut out tea So this is it's good for the gut health. They say yeah, I'm happy try I don't even drink coffee or tea mace you you drink kombucha what is that she says good for the gut it's good for your gut that sound well good for your gut they said i'm not having that he said that's not the kind of guts we talk about That's not the kind of guts we talk about. He said, not on this show. They do a little bit different ways.

But yeah. OK, so I said it before. And this really just confirms it. I said athletes are having their way, especially this year. So the Raiders have made Max Crosby the NFL's highest paid non-quarterback passing Justin Jefferson. You got a three year, one hundred and six point five million dollar extension. That includes ninety one point five million dollars guaranteed. Trista, do you think this deal is valid or do you just think

it's entirely too much money for the kids? Well, I wonder what the Las Vegas Raiders are really doing. And like part of me feels like, OK, Tom Brady's in the mix. Well, I wonder what the Las Vegas Raiders are really doing. And like part of me feels like, okay, Tom Brady's in the mix. Maybe he can figure out a way to come in and transform this team. But like, if you look at the roster, they don't have anybody. They don't have a quarterback. They don't have any wide receivers.

They don't have any running backs. They don't have a great offensive line. They had one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL. So like to give one guy at one position 35 and a half million dollars when you're in the like the beginning of the rebuild, like you've burnt all of the soil down and you're just starting to plant the seeds all over again, it feels wild to me. And it also is slightly strange because I don't know if you guys remember this but it was last offseason where Max Crosby said if you guys don't hire Antonio Pierce as the full-time head coach I want to trade so the Las Vegas Raiders are bending over backwards for bending over backwards for Max

Crosby I'm not sure if that's a pause, but I don't really, I don't really know why considering that they have so many other parts of the roster to fill. They've got so many, got so many holes to fill. Right. Okay, Mase, what do you think? He's going to be the highest paid non-quarterback. Is that too much money or you think Max Crosby deserves it? I believe if you, you got to get all the money you can get.

And in today's society, there's no telling how long you could you could be playing that game. So you definitely got to make sure that while you can get it, you get all that you can. Yeah. OK. I want to add, I feel like there's no doubt that I feel like Max Crosby is the Raiders best player. And I mean, you can't really build around in edge rusher,

but I think they just said, look, he's our best player. We want to keep him happy. We're going to make sure the man gets paid. But with that being said, to Trista's point, yes, the Raiders don't have a quarterback right now. They even just recently released their quarterback Gardner Minshew. So with that being said, there's some things circulating, Trista. Do you think that the Raiders could be potentially trying to get Aaron Rodgers or you think that's a no go?

Oh, I feel like. I don't think so. I think you have to have an offensive line that's of the elite caliber in order to get a guy like Aaron Rodgers, because he's not a guy that's particularly mobile when he was in his prime and now that he's older he's gonna be running for his life. I think what they're gonna try to do is go after somebody younger. I think I can see Vegas has been linked to Shador. That seems like something that I can see happening. I know that there's been a lot of like

stuff going around the NFL combine about his attitude. To me that feels like posturing to try to get him to fall to six. Like I wouldn't be surprised if Vegas and some of these other teams that really want him are basically throwing a bunch of shade on his name just so that he falls like they did with Kavon Thibodeau. The Giants did that and they said his interview wasn't great. So I don't see Aaron Rodgers being a fit here I don't see Tom Brady wanting an aging quarterback who has locker room issues who has injury issues and It was a disaster with the Jets. I just can't I just can't see that happen

And you can't see it happening at all It wouldn't make much sense. I mean, I can see anything occurring in this league, but I don't see that as a possible as a realistic possibility if you're actually trying to build for the future. Yeah. I think I have to agree there. So like even before the Gardner, releasing Gardner Mentshu, the Raiders had the second most cap space in the NFL.

So they have a lot of money to spend. So hopefully they will figure out some other pieces. But I think that Max Crosby deal right here shows other players. They can get paid. So that brings us to our next point. So would you would you do it? Would I get Aaron Rodgers? Yeah. If you bring them to the Raiders.

They do have the six picks. So I mean, also to Tris's point, it's like, should or shouldn't fall, have fault for just trying to like have him go down at that point. But I don't think they need an Aaron Rodgers. But also I'm a little biased because I just feel like Aaron Rodgers is older and he, I know I said this about Russell Wilson when I say the quarterback is declining, but that's literally what I'm saying. I think it's time for a new core. And that's what I would hope the Raiders would seek after.

But you never really know because we've seen a lot of things happen that I didn't expect to happen this year in sports. So at this point, anything is up for grabs. So that's kind of my standpoint on it. Okay. Yeah. I mean, so none of you would, you wouldn't even take him as a backup. I don't even think he's going to allow himself to be a backup.

Yeah, and Rogers wouldn't be a backup. He attitude. There's no way you're going to let me sit on the bench and come up after somebody else. I ain't doing that. Yeah. Plus, and as you guys know, we we love athletes that have like these media deals, right? Like we like to hear from athletes straight from their mouth. But the interviews with him and Pat McAfee every single week became a huge distraction in the Jets locker room.

I don't know how he's going to give that up. I think Pat McAfee is paying him to do that and paying him a lot of money to do those appearances. I don't see him giving that up. And the Raiders have already had a lot of just friction, things that have held them back. We've had multiple years where there has been excitement all the way out from getting Mike Mayock and Chucky to coach the team, getting Antonio Brown.

So I just don't think bringing in a personality of Aaron Rogers' level, when his skill has declined as much as it has and he's so old and so injury prone. I just that would be a bad, bad move. That would be a really bad move. Yeah. Yeah. Look, you're talking crazy about Aaron Rogers right now. I would hate to see your DMs after this. I mean, the truth is the truth. I'm sorry, y'all. We gotta be honest.

And we're being honest. Because it literally is what it is, Mace. You know? Okay. No, I hear you guys, but I'm saying when it comes to Aaron Rodgers, I mean, that is a Hall of Fame quarterback. And there's people all around this world that love Aaron Rodgers, especially in the city of Milwaukee Yeah, I also think a lot of people are going your Giants Let's send them to your Giants then see if you like them there Now we get the right kind of now I'm gonna say we got in my team Yeah, yeah, let me stop that for y' I say I'm down with the Giants now. But if they get your daughter and they get somebody else, I might be.

Who knows? OK, so now I got to talk about the Cowboys. They have restructured Dak Prescott's contract, which created thirty six point six million dollars in cap space with the recent CD-LAM restructure as well. This brings a total to around fifty six.6 million for them to use. So before we even get into more questions, initially Tris, what do you think of the contract restructures?

I mean, they needed to do it, right? Like this is just a, I'm just sickened. I feel like I was like looking at this rundown stat and everything was giving me Cowboys PTSD. You know, the Max Cross Blue deal, I'm like, oh shit. They're gonna have to pay Micah how much money now if he's getting 35 and a half and Micah Parsons is playing at, you know,

like a really elite caliber. If you're talking about what Micah has done, it's like we've never seen what like he's been able to do. I think there's like in terms of his sack number for the four all four years of his career like nobody's done that in the history of the game. So he's gonna want like 36 million dollars a year and the Cowboys are waiting to give him an extension and I'm wondering okay like are they gonna wait to the last minute like they did with CD, are they going to wait to the last minute like they did with CD-LAM?

Are they going to wait to the last minute like they did with that Prescott? And then that puts you in a bad, bad cap situation again. So it's just triggering. They needed to do it. And now they have the eighth most cap space in the NFL, which is wild. Because last time I was hosting this show, Dak had a cap hit of $90 million, which was the most in the NFL.

So this seems just very inept at making decisions. Do I expect them to get it right when there's multiple wide receivers out there on the open market? No, like DK is now available. We're gonna talk about that later. Devonte Adams is available. Chris Godwin is potentially there.

I don't think they're gonna spend a lick of money on anything important that's going to help them win any damn games. This is a team I'm sickened to be a fan of. So are you giving that price got the money or not? Well, they restructured his deal so that he has less of a cap hit. Right. So it's it's just a matter of like how they move the money around on the book. So now that they have availability to sign guys like Micah Parsons, I think that's great. They needed to do it.

But it's kind of a little too late. Yeah. Yeah, I don't I don't really speak much about the Cowboys. I really only talk about the Cowboys when you're here or Mike Irvin is here. Other than that, I don't really talk about the Cowboys. Yeah. And then speaking of Mike Irvin, happy belated birthday because his birthday was yesterday. So shout out to him. He's actually celebrating right now in Carnival with some glitter all over because people

have been tagging me all day. I want that boy doing. He having a good time. With glitter on. Yeah. He doing a little wine, a dirty wine. He's celebrating. Oh my goodness.

So shout out to Mike, because he looks like he's living his best life. Mike, come on Mike, please don't do that on the internet. I mean, he's done a lot. He's living his best life, I'm happy for him. Okay, so Trista, with that being said, and you kinda touched on it, are there any special moves that you want to see the Cowboys make

ahead of the season? Yeah. Yeah, I want to I want to see this team go get D.K. Metcalf. He just requested a trade, right? I want to be like third round pick. Go do it. Go do it. Pay the man. Chris Godwin's a free agent. Go get him. Nick Chubb. Paws is available on the market. Go get him. Like Tyler Lockett just got agent, go get him. Nick Chubb, Paws is available on the market, go get him. Like Tyler Lockett just got released, go get him.

Go get some people to help out with CD-Land. There's no other wide receivers on this team. Like Brandon Cooks was good, how long ago? It's been like a decade since Brandon Cooks was any good. They need edge rushers, go and get Josh Sweat who's maybe available from the Eagles. Figure it out. Yeah, there's there's guys. I have a whole a whole list of guys I want us to go get.

And those are just a few. Man, it sounds weird just hearing a lot about the Cowboys. I'm getting PTSD just thinking about it. Can we please go ahead and speak more? I'm going to take my piece. Oh, like familiar because, you know, when the chiefs were winning, you know, we just talked about them all the time and like title town being on the move and Kansas City and then the Super Bowl came around and all of a sudden it's like,

oh, we don't talk about the comments. They said they said title town was an RV like mobile home. Oh, listen, listen, listen. It beats the Cowboys. I read that I read a lose in the championship. How the lady said they rather cry in a in a Rolls Royce. Yeah, then crying of roller. OK. What are we saying here?

The streets are talking. That's all I have. We're talking about that. Sure. The streets are talking. OK, so tree tree. She's she's napping because she writes that then the streets have spoken. My head is my head is hurting talking about the Cowboys. There's nothing good about the Cowboys right now. I mean, they got more money to spend.

Other than a uniform. This is a good little good little move. OK, so you brought up to D.K. And so he officially requested a trade from Seattle after six seasons with the team. This is after they announced the release of Tyler Lockett after 10 seasons. So I know you said that you would like to see him on the Cowboys, but one, can you further elaborate on why you want to see him on the Cowboys or is there another team that you think would be a good fit for him?

And then two, are you surprised that he wants to look at other options? Wait, why are we talking so much about the Cowboys? No, no, no. DK. Oh my goodness. In her favor, like, you know, she thinks that'd be a good option. Oh, I'm going to put my head down. Far as this is hurting my head talking about the cowboys.

We can talk. We can talk generally speaking, because your team, Mace, could use a wide receiver, couldn't they? In the Kansas City Chiefs. I don't know if you're still rocking with them or what's going on there, but if that's still your team, they're there. That's a that's a good look for them. See the RV done broke down. That's what happened. The RV took a hard stop and said,

look, we're pulling over on the side of the road till I figure it out and I need you to figure it out. That's what happened. The RV is like the the Chiefs are kind of like when I had my 2001 Honda Civic and it had no air conditioning and no locks but I put two 12 inch subwoofers in there and an amp and I just that's Patrick Mahomes in there with all his weapons just no nothing. So in terms of DK and his trades in general like trade requests requests in general, it doesn't it doesn't

surprise me that he wants out. He wants his money. It's on his third contract and he's going to get he wants to get paid with Justin Jefferson is getting paid. He wants to get with AJ Brown is getting paid and Seattle doesn't want to pay him that right. Seattle wants to do the gritty things. They want to run the ball down your throat. They want nasty play nasty physical defense. They want to run the ball down your throat. They want nasty, play nasty physical

defense. They want to beef up the trenches. They don't care about flashy wide receivers. And DK is one of the best wide receivers in the game. And so he's going to command that level of pay. And at his age, once you pay him that much money, you have to wonder how long he's going to produce for. And he played with AJ Brown at Ole Miss and so he wants pretty much what AJ Brown is gonna is gonna make so also on top of that Gino Smith and DK Metcalf have apparently like rumors of that they have friction I have no idea if that's true they just got rid of Tyler Lockett because of money this just feels like a financial thing for DK and a financial thing for Seattle. In terms of places that I think would fit with him, I think

the Bills would be awesome if they could make that happen. Like they need a wide receiver one. They're sort of a wide receiver away. I know I mentioned the Chargers last night. There were people giving me hell because they think Keenan Allen was a deep threat. He was a wide receiver one, but he was a slot receiver and one of the best slot receivers in the league when he was in his prime. So I think the Chargers could be a good spot. The Raiders could be a good spot. The Texans, Tank Dell just had surgery again.

That would be another spot for him if Tank Dell has some injury issues still. But the NFC West is kind of a mess. A lot of teams are trading their best wide receivers right now, probably all because of Guam. I can't believe y'all. Y'all. What did I do? What happened?

What did we do? What happened? That's the question. Gallant time. That's what y'all doing right now. Gallant time. You think it's a team up? Yeah, I think it's a do-over.

A do-over. First of all, I think it's a team up? Yeah, I think it's a do-over. A do-over for who? A do-over versus you? He said don't get too comfortable. You know when you had a hard game and you come back the next day and they're not passing,

they're passing the ball to everybody but you, Nick. That's what I'm experiencing in here right now. What? But it happens, you know, it happens. They said, yeah, I'm coming in for us too hot. So they say, you know what? I'm gonna go through Trish today. I get it, I get it.

What's the next topic, Stats? We always go to the person on Zoom first. It's literally what happens every time you go to Michael Irvin first. You go to Moe first. I'm not into this. Don't act like I'm getting special treatment around you. Maybe that's what it is, you know. No, not the special treatment, not special treatment.

Trying to ice me out. I'm taking all your arrows. I took all your arrows. You're supposed to do what you're doing. It's stats. That is trying to work. But what's the next topic, stat? OK, last football topic. Yes. OK. The Eagles are.

We're in we're in basketball season. There's so much happening with football. It's just like, oh, another thing and another thing and another thing. It's like, dang. Like, and even though it's not your team, it's somebody's team. So I got to make it clear. I got to make it clear. I just don't want any more cowboys. Of course. So let's talk about.

No more cowboy talk. We won't talk about cowboys. We'll talk about the real title We won't talk about cowboys. We'll talk about the real title town as of right now. OK, Eagles. They are resigning all pro linebackers act bond to a three

year 51 million dollar contract. It includes 34 million dollars guaranteed. This is reportedly supposed to make them the highest paid linebacker in Eagles history. So the Eagles are spending that red base.

Do you think that's a good idea, Trista? Oh, yeah, I told you, my money. We got the money gun coming from an exclusive game all the way in Atlanta. You just got to let me know what city you want to send it to. There you go. OK, bet. Bet. I think this is a super interesting story. And I think this is like a super interesting story. And I think this is like so great for Mace to play off

of actually because I don't think a lot of people know about Zach Bond and like where he came from. But he was a backup edge rusher in New Orleans last year. He was like a special teams guy. And you go to a new team with a new system, with new coaching staff, like not a coaching staff that's been there before. You have a new defensive coordinator a new system with new coaching staff, like not not a coaching staff that's been there before. You have a new defensive coordinator and Vic Fangio who came over from

Miami, right? And they put him in a new position. He goes from edge rusher to linebacker. And in one year, he becomes first team all pro. He's a finalist for defensive player of the year. He's the highest paid linebacker. Like you said, Staten Eagles history, fourth highest paid linebacker in the league and had huge moments against Titletown in the Super Bowl, picked off Pat Mahomes. And I don't think anyone could have imagined that last off season when he got his contract for only five million dollars. So I think what that sort of tells me,

and I'd love, I don't know if you can speak to this in your own life, is like, there are places that just can't utilize you for what you do best. They put you in this box or it's a system that you kind of get limited in terms of what you can show, or you don't even know what your true potential is until a system or an organization comes and says, no, no, I think you can really excel and be the best in the business at this thing.

And that's kind of what this shows me is like, man, when you get to the right place with the right people, like you said yesterday, Mase, like a beautiful things can happen. Yeah, I would definitely like the charming on that, because when I made that statement, so many people reached out to me and you wouldn't believe how many people argued with my take. They say, you know what? It take 10 years. It take 10 years. I said, well, if it take you 10 years and somebody knows a way to take three years,

you just take your 10 years and we'll take the three year route and we'll see you after 30 years. In 30 years, you would have made three steps and in 30 years out of me, 10 steps. And and he got upset with that because people really get upset when you expose them to knowledge that's more than what they know. Instead of receiving it, they refute it. Well, I don't agree with that. You know the thing about truth, you don't have to agree with truth for it to be the truth.

That's what I told the guy. He was like, well, I don't agree with that. I said, yo, your disagreement doesn't change the truth. It just keeps it away from helping you. So, even when you say that, that's absolute correct. You sometimes you could be one thing with one person and be something totally different with another team or with a different person. That's what we see with women. A lot of times she was this over here and then she get over here

and she's all another thing. Yeah. But environment does, you know, add to that. And then sometimes people can't. Depends how you kind of approach situations, but sometimes people can't receive what you're saying. Like you said, if it is the truth, they can't receive it because they can't receive it from you. And sometimes you lived in a way where people can't receive certain things from you.

So you because of the way you live, you got to find a place that will accept it from you, because there is a place that just may not be there. When I was a I was at Barstool right when actually Gilly and Wallow got there I was like right when I started too and like the way that I don't talk about this a lot but the way that that crew looked at me because of really what they couldn't understand, which is like how I am, how I grew up, the music that I love, the hip hop in my background, the way that I dress, mannerisms, all that. They thought it was all very confusing to them.

They had me slotted in as like, you're not that funny, you're cringe, you don't know what you're talking about. And you get into a new environment and you're like, wow, it's not actually, it wasn't actually me, it wasn't true, it was just their perception of who I was. You get with an environment and a crew that really understands you, it changes everything. It changes everything to be understood and valued,

but also to be used in a way that's that maximizes your potential. Yeah. But sometimes it's also not for people to understand because something that even I had to learn is like, you can't make people understand you. All you can do is be your true and authentic self. And again, if they receive it, they receive it. If they don't, they don't. I still learn that to this day all the time. And you just have to really just put forth your best effort and your best self to show people that. And as long as you're standing true to who you are, it doesn't matter what anybody

else has to say or where to have to perceive it, because you will be welcomed in two environments who receive you as you are and how you are displayed. Because it's like, even to your point and like even to my point in situations that I've been through, like people might think you're putting on a front. People might think you're holding back certain things. It's like, I'm not doing anything for you. This isn't a performance. This is my life. I act like this because I act like this. I walk like this because I walk like this and I talk like this because I talk like this. I walk like this because I walk like this. And I talk like this because I talk like this. And I can't change that for you or for anybody that I'm around.

And if you understand it, you do. And that's just sometimes how the cookie crumbles. Hey Trisha, you used to work with Wally and Gilly? I mean, Gilly and Wallow? I worked at the company at the same time. They were in Philly and I was in New York. So we only crossed paths like three or four times. So you're referring to you're referring to Gillian Wallow or you're referring to Barstool?

I want to make sure the listeners are clear on only Barstool. Oh, OK. Gillian Wallow. I was about to say you can't be throwing those shots of Gillian Wallow up here. We can't know. No, no, no. I can't stand with you on that. Yeah. Yeah. Gillian Wallo were nothing but love. They they they were probably one of the only people at the company that understood me. Dave understood me.

Erica understood me. Gillian Wallo, the guys, some of the, you know, busting with the boys. But largely you had a lot of bloggers and and guys who Didn't come from an environment anywhere close to where I grew up and it was very foreign to them and so they use that as fuel to I Wouldn't say bully but they use that as fuel against me whenever they could but it was definitely not gillian wallow or nothing But love so you was Eminem and they was trying to treat you like vanilla ice. Yeah. Well, actually, Malibu's most wanted Malibu most wanted. I get that.

Yeah. We know I totally understand where you're coming from, Trista, because again, like people just have expectations for you. And sometimes it's like if you if you don't fit in that box, they will never understand. And like I said, you just can't keep trying to prove or make people understand. So as long as you are you, that is all that matters because it's all love for you all the time. And people love who you are. Obviously, it makes people love who you are.

And we're just who we are. And that's really the best that you could be at being yourself. And that's that's actually a good conversation, though, Trista and stat. Do you think you should always be yourself? You know? Yeah, but I don't think I think you should always be yourself. I don't think you always have to show yourself. I don't think that some people. How do you be yourself without showing yourself? Sometimes in certain spaces? I'm like I know I

Know we are two different people. I'm gonna be more reserved because I know if I open up myself to you Like you're not gonna receive who I am Cuz I'm gonna be who I am regardless Like I said, I walk talk act the I do, because that's what I know. If I already know right off the bat, you're judging or you're thinking or your expectation is something that is not and you're not ready to receive who I am. I don't know. You, you got it. I'm going to be me somewhere else.

I'm good. But I agree with that because, you know, I'm really an intellectual. I try to be urban, but I'm really an intellectual. Just to what you're talking about. Nate is like a wise sage, you know? He's always got nuggets for us. He uses sports as the pulpit for him. And that's like obvious. I think you should try to be as authentically you at all times if you can. I think sometimes it doesn't feel safe to be you.

And I think when it doesn't feel safe to be you, you start to alter how you show up. But as long as I think as you know, I think there's certain corporate environments where, like I was talking about this a couple of weeks ago, when we were talking about me and the braids, is that you get into corporate environment and it doesn't just impact like your ability to make money but it impacts everything in your life right and so you have to in some way depending on the situation assimilate a little bit until you don't have to anymore until you have enough money or financial flexibility to until you have enough money or financial flexibility to To be yourself at all times and say, you know, I have that fuck you type of wealth or uh, like just ability to do that

But I don't think that's the case for everyone. I think though We should try as much as we can Try as much as we can and do what? To be ourselves authentically in all the moments and hope that you know know, how we resonate with people those people get drawn into us. Right. I agree with that. Because if you're yourself, then you can find the tribe of people that want to accept who you are.

Accept who you are. And if you don't, then you can never find your group. Yeah. But that's also why, to Trisha's point, she's saying sometimes in certain environments, you kind of have to assimilate to what that environment is because you know that people aren't going to receive who you are. And that's honestly like a big thing. Code switching in certain environments, you kind of have to, hey, before you can really

bring out the who you are. So there's a lot of situations where that happens. Some people agree, some people may disagree. I've been in those situations a lot of situations where that happens. Some people agree, some people may disagree. I've been in those situations a lot of times. It's like, yeah, if I say what I'm gonna say, y'all are not gonna take that well. So let me wait before I can fully say

what I need to say and even to Trish's point, again, like, till you're at a certain level to be able to kind of just do what you want and have the attitude that you want in certain scenarios. So great conversation, y'all. Great discussion. Yeah, that's that's really interesting, Trish. I didn't know you was thinking like that. Was what got lost in it, though, is is Mase in in the DMs

going back and forth with fans? I mean, they were, you know, when when God thought I knew him from somewhere else. So I thought I knew him from music or something like that. So I thought it was like a music request or something. He was making me aware of that. I thought I needed to know. But then when he started that conversation, it just threw me for a loop. I was like, wow, why would you argue with information

as high and information you carry? It just doesn't make any sense. It's like you live in one way and somebody trying to show you a faster way to get where you're going and then you just refute it. But that's that's his choice. That's what makes it his life. You know, you get to take your take the route that you want to take with all the information that's available. Wait. Okay. Is it LeBron or is it Le Goat? We'll discuss after the break. Oh my goodness, stat. Sorry.

Oh my goodness. And one more What's happenin' to me won't fall, oh, oh Dealin' with this thing called trust But she really thinkin' my wanna be free Why am I here this one way free Hell, I don't wanna see her walk away I wish somebody told me to lose. Disagreements let her win, then it's cool. Even when I'm right, this ain't about you. Welcome back.

OK, so it's time to have this LeBron discussion. LeBron or LeGoat, that was a legitimate question. He hit another milestone. He reached a total of 50,000 points in the regular season and playoff. 50,000? 50,000 points. That regular season and playoff. 50,000? 50,000 points. That's a lot of points. I must I must admit, as a Jordan fan, that is a lot of points.

And now he just adding to the list. He's adding to the list. Yeah, this is in the Lakers, 136 to 115 win versus the Pelicans. Crystal, we already know LeBron is in a higher tier that kind of just keeps moving up. Is this enough to make him the overall GOAT? How we feeling? One, about his achievement and then two, your thoughts overall on LeBron and then the caliber that he's playing at the age he's at.

Yeah, it's crazy that he's third in MVP voting right now at this age. 21 years into the league. That's ridiculous. And now he has Luko who's gonna take a lot of pressure off of his shoulders, and I think that's gonna invigorate him some and probably extend his career. But I don't think anybody who has seen this consistently

from LeBron didn't think that this was going to happen, but I don't think anyone this was going to happen. But I don't think anyone's ever going to come anywhere near this number again. Right? Like, Giannis just scored his 20,000 point the day after LeBron scored 50,000. And Giannis has been playing basketball for 12 years. So if he plays another 12 years at this pace, he'll play 24 years in the league and still have 10,000

less points than LeBron. So you see that number and you just go, wow, the longevity. I don't know if longevity at this height can be added to the goat discussion. I don't know. Like it feels like we're getting inching closer and closer and closer. Like, I feel as somebody who grew up in the early 90s, I can't let anyone take Jordan off that pinnacle, off that peak for me. But maybe that's just me being stubborn as an 80s baby. No, I'm not going to let you do that. I'm not going to even let you lay the groundwork for that. No, no, no, no.

LeBron is great at the longevity he for that. No, no, no, no. LeBron is great at the longevity's he's having. Let's let's just put let's just put apples where apples go and let's put oranges where oranges go. It wouldn't matter if he gets 70,000 points, right? We're not weighing them against points. We're weighing them against the dominance. The if I of course, if I play much longer, I'm going to get much more points. We're not we're not going by points.

If we were going by points, then I mean, Kareem Abdul Jabbar would have been the goat until LeBron passed him. That's that's not what we're that's not what we're equating this to. I think people keep missing the argument because they keep trying to slide in new information. New information doesn't change what it is that we're based in this upon. It could change the numbers. It could change the status of yourself, but it doesn't change.

We're talking about the chips. We're talking about the chips. We're talking about the dominance. We're talking about when this acts for you deliver. It doesn't matter if you get 60,000 points. If at the end of this, you go out the second round. You know, you understand what I'm saying? Because a girl got a better BBL doesn't make her like, come on now. Yeah, you're 50 years old and can still wear Daisy Dukes.

That don't make you the finest girl ever lived. That just means you look good for your age. Looking good for your age doesn't make you the goat. And that's what people are doing. They're talking about you looking good for your age doesn't make you the goat. And that's what people are doing. They're talking about you looking good for your age. And if you look good for your age, that means you've been looking good for a long time. That still don't make you the baddest ever. Is that correct? As a woman, does that make you the baddest ever?

Ever subjective now for that time, it make you bad for that time. Exactly. But it doesn't make you the baddest ever because you was able to keep a physique as 60 years old. Your legs still look good in high heels or whatever it is. And I'm not comparing LeBron. I'm trying to make this a understandable point for ladies, because if you see a lady that looks good at 53, it doesn't mean she's she looks better than Vanessa Williams. Right.

So when you say that and I want to do you understand that point? You don't have to agree with me. Do you understand? I understand. So I understand your point. And I didn't want to go off on a tangent. And I'm going to make this point really, really quick because also to that point. I hate lies. I hate lies. I really do. I hate lies. You can say what you want, but to even like compare like, OK, best for longevity, baddest for that time.

And then for women, I think of like Kim Kardashian, right? She's good for the longevity of her career, which also in comparison, I'm not saying like Kim Kardashian is the looks of like LeBron and basketball, but like kind of because that's the same kind of concept. So and I'm glad you said that because the way Kim Kardashian came about her success for me, I don't value that because of the way she came about it to other people that have different morals and different principles. They may look at that like so what she's a billionaire. I don't count money that

you get the wrong way. I don't count that. You know what I'm saying? There's some people like, oh, I won a hundred games, but you won a hundred games on steroids. I feel the same way about rap. If it comes out that these that these rappers did these things to be at that level. And I'm like, no, bro, I was doing that without doing that. So I don't hold a success on the same level at at that point. Even if you were looked at as the goat, we're taking that ghost status down because you got there the wrong way.

You didn't get there, honestly. You got there. Now all this stuff comes out. You got there these ways. No, I don't respect that. You're nobody. You're actually lower than the people who we thought was under us. That's a really good point. And I kind of want to get your perspective on LeBron more than.

So in that analogy, do you think that there's something besides the amount of rings that is bringing LeBron down in terms of the dominance? Like, do you think he cut his means? Yeah, let's talk about it. Yeah, let's talk about it. Yeah, let's talk. Let's talk about it. It's not just the rings are one, of course, is the championships. And there's people who won more championships than Jordan.

So it's not just the rings, but it's showing up when it counts. Isn't that what makes you great that you show up when it counts? That's why people love God, because he comes through. He's faithful. He's faithful. Is no excuse for not delivering. That's what I'm more so talking about. It's not the the 50,000 points.

I said it myself. If LeBron wins a championship with his son, then I could start having that conversation until then. I can't have that conversation until you come through, pause when we really need you to. Without excuse. Him joining other people to get those rings, that definitely plays into his legacy. That would be no different than if you find out that I was buying all my cells. That plays into how we look at you, right? And if you find out that I was buying all my cells, that plays into how we look at you, right? We can't we can't throw that away. We can't highlight the things that you do good and turn a blind eye

on the things that weren't correct. Is that correct? Or are we just? Because that's what I'm talking about. You join in teams, you're moving stuff around so you can. It's like me going in a park and there's two seven footers and all other kids are five, 10. And I picked the two seven footers and I'm playing against all of the kids, five, 10. But you want me to believe that you did something?

No, you were playing, you stacked your team. You stacked your team. The question that I have though about the Longevity, the female analogy, the women analogy, do you think if you're the baddest girl in your senior year in high school through like sophomore year in college, and then you fall off.

Like Rim Check, Jordan Wizards. And you fall. You have a short but high peak. But then you have somebody who's like maybe slightly not as hot, but is hot like Halle Berry into her 50s. You don't you don't weigh those things at all. It's just like whatever your peak is, even though you might have fallen off like off of a cliff in your early 20s. No, I do.

I do. I do see that point, but Jordan didn't have that. That's why I'm trying to say that. That will be very much true. I'm a realist. You know, I'm going to weigh both sides. Like if LeBron comes and he gets, let's say, five championships and he didn't run to Miami to get it,

he would definitely be in that. He would definitely be right there with Jordan, right there where you can even say, OK, some people could put them over him. And I wouldn't be mad at that. But the things that certain players have done to get their rings, that's different. That's different from my mindset. And I'm not the end-all, say-all to anything,

but I'm just here to voice that opinion. Because when you do certain things like that, I can't deem it as the same. Are you a great basketball player? Yes. Do you have the most points? Yes. Have you been the best for the longest? Yes. Do you have the most points? Yes. Have you been the best for the longest? Yes. But that don't make you the best. That's that. But Trista, so I just need a little final answer.

Because when we needed you to be the best, you walked off. When we needed you to be the best, you blamed other people. So we got to the best. You blame the other people. So we got to keep all of that the same on the same scale. The guy I'm talking about when his dad died, he delivered when he had the flu, he delivered. He never gave us an excuse for not delivering. That's why we still wear Jordans instead of LeBron's. That's why we wear them.

That's fair. That's fair. Do you do you put Steph Curry instead of LeBron's. That's why we wear them. That's fair. That's fair. Do you do you put Steph Curry then over LeBron because Steph didn't ever leave a team even though he got I actually. Yes, I'm glad you point. Now you get in my mindset. I actually hold Kobe over LeBron to me, because with everything people saying, Colby got his five championships with the team he was with.

When they went down, he went down with his team. When they came up, he came up with his team. He never felt like he had to go to play with Ray Allen to win. He put the team on his shoulders when people said, well, you only got those because Shaq was with you. He got him without Shaq, without moving. Same location, same location.

Y'all come play with me. Can't say you're the king of you following other people to play. Not where I come from. You can't do that. And I know today we have better media and we have better access to the media. We didn't have Internet and stuff like that. So you can paint narratives. But even when people act a certain way, when they get around real men,

we know who's who. We know who's who. You can a lot of other people, you can a lot of people like me, and that's probably why people don't like my takes, because you can't lie to me. You can a lot of other people that's infatuated with things you've done, but I can see through it. Great basketball player. Number three still to me, number three, that's high, though.

And then and then Steph or Magic or who? Um, I can't really say right now, because I'm really in this heated discussion is Jordan is Kobe. People be disrespectful, putting LeBron before Kobe. LeBron is not before Kobe. Kobe got five. Kobe was as dominant. There's nobody that would say LeBron is way more dominant than Kobe.

What are you talking about? Did Kobe not exist? What are we talking about? When Kobe was here, was he dominating Kobe? Where are we get this from? I agree. I think that Kobe is probably one of the most disrespectful superstars or disrespected superstars that we have. Like the fact that he's not in goat discussions like all the time is insane to me.

I guess that's insane to me, especially as somebody who grew up hating the Lakers, watching every Laker game as a Portland Trailblazer fan. Like he was a killer. He was like as clutch as they came. And he had a mentality that, you know, is sort of like doesn't exist anymore. As much as guys want to say they have the mama mentality. Not many people do. Well, I agree with that. Yeah, I want to add to that because I do. First of all, like Steph Curry is my goat, but I think Kobe is definitely up there.

I think one of the things about it, especially with like not to be the voice of Gen Z, but like people. I don't think we ever leave Kobe out of the conversation or out of the discussion because he definitely is stamped there, you know, like top tier. He's he's the goat. I really feel like he's even in his own lane. But I do think that people are, especially younger generations,

are entertained by what's currently in their face. Yeah, it's the really the attention of the moment. Yeah. Prisoners of the moment, because is nothing you go back and look at and say, OK, oh, this is that much greater than this. So I wonder, where do they get this narrative from? Just put probably because they watch ESPN or they watch these major old networks that feed this information and come up with stats and come up with ideas that make people

focus in on that one part and say, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got sixty thousand points. OK. And Will Chamberlain had a hundred, but we don't bring him up. Right. And and and what's his name? And Bill Russell and all of these people had 10 rings or whatever they got, you know. But we don't call them the goat. You call you the goat because you're the greatest of all time. Not the most points of all time, not the most blocks of all time.

The greatest of all time. I mean, we put these two people on the stage. Let's define what the greatest of all time, the greatest of all time. That mean we put these two people on the stage. Let's define what the greatest of all time is. We put these two on a stage in this one outperforms the other one every single time. So I'm saying if you put Jordan and LeBron on the stage, Jordan will perform him every time. If you put Jordan and Kobe on the same stage in a prompt, Kobe would outperform him every time. If you put Jordan and Kobe on the same stage in a prompt, Kobe would outperform him every time.

That's what we're going off because I even have a heart putting magic on them. But I understand he made with this athleticism outperform magic every time. And I'm OK with that. Long as it's the truth, I'm OK with it. I don't like when people are biased because they like a person or they're biased because they need an interview

or they're biased because they have financial gain to why they're saying what they're saying. Very, very. And everybody I hear talk about this conversation have an agenda in the conversation. So you never get the truth from people who have an agenda for why they're saying what they're saying. That's bias, either against the person or bias for the person.

You couldn't name one person that had this discussion. Probably you probably could. But I don't see one as of yet that I've heard of that wasn't even bias against LeBron or bias for LeBron Well, and that's a that's a great point I know we have other topics to get to stat But I think that's a really great point in terms of how major media networks operate that people don't necessarily know Yeah, like your opinions are not in a vacuum

the things that you say on television on is that like your opinions are not in a vacuum. The things that you say on television, on whatever channel you're on, that ends up going up the food chain and the leagues that you spend money to broadcast their games on, on your channel, they come in and they're like, hey, we don't like what this person is saying.

And so that there's, like you said, there's interviews that you can get iced out of. There's opportunities that you can get iced out of or opportunities where you can really elevate your career and your stature based on the opinion and whether that aligns with those who are in power. And that's a big problem. And I think that's what makes this show and shows you know in the internet space so unique because you guys are not beholden and I am not beholden to any opinion because nobody is controlling my opinion through their purse strings or through their rights

deals or or the networks that sort of have this big weight behind them. Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I wanted to do this walk in this media space is because when I assessed it, I just saw a lot of people that were given takes, but they were given takes that were bought takes. They were bought narratives. So they were just there as the mouthpiece, but they were speaking for somebody that wasn't present. And so it's, for example, even the way people interview you, they can make you look good or bad by the way they ask the question.

So Mike, I say, well, put me on a cover and say, is May serious? Right. So is May serious now puts the shade or the cloud over him to say he's not serious. It's by the way you pose the question. Or you could go in there and say Mace is doing a phenomenal job. This is how hip hop should evolve. So is the way you write a thing that determines how people will take it or begin to perceive it.

And that's that's part of marketing. Right. So it's the same thing that's happening on these platforms. And that's why, you know, is is kind of sad because this generation is growing up in in a time where people are forcing and not that it wasn't an hour day, but maybe I just could see it more now as I got older. Let me say it like that. As I got older, I could see how the media is just pushing

what they need you to believe so things don't be the way they should be. And it's just a real heart breaking situation. Well, to your point, cause you always say this in the end, time will always tell. And I think people have trouble understanding things that they don't see. Cause you brought up Will Chamberlain like, and you know, I haven't seen that 100 point game, then you even brought up Bill Russell, you got 11 rings. I didn't watch his 11 rings, but also it's like, I haven't seen God and I know he's

real. So it really depends on how you think. And I think that, you know, when it's all said and done, then those conversations can be better had. Yeah, just like we was talking about the math, right? And we said, I said, they made a bad decision and time will tell you that, right? So then the next day, Kyrie is out for the year. So then are we ready to say that was a bad decision? You see what I'm saying? But the way people can paint things

like, oh we was doing the right thing because we knew this was going to happen. No, life has a way of showing you that you made the wrong decision. So even when people that are here this and they argue with me, you know, time to tell if I was right or time to tell if you were wrong. Yeah. But I do want to add congratulations to LeBron James because he's setting the bar every single day and we not going to act like that man is not him. We're seeing him do it at a high caliber at an older age and he still looks

phenomenal, phenomenal. He still looks great. So I'm proud of him. Yeah, and after today, I'm never having that debate conversation again, because you're right, when this happens, I end up looking over the achievement that he is making. You get what I'm saying? But that's what comparison does.

It nullifies the goodness of somebody in some kind of way. Comparison is the key for joy. Yeah. So phenomenal job by LeBron. You're the best right now. That's all that matters is now. Right now, you're the best. There's nobody presently better than LeBron right now.

Okay. And that's that. Great discussion, great debate. I know the comments are gonna have something to say. We would love to see what you guys have to say about it and you guys just take. But that is all the time that we have for today Trista. It was a pleasure to have you. But now is not ever. Now is not ever. Now is just now.

What do you mean? You're the best now. Not ever. I still stand on what I said. But I can give you your flowers still stand on what I said. I could give you your flowers. You get what I'm saying? You're the baddest man walking. Pause. Thanks.

Okay. Still looking good in those Daisy Dukes. Trista, always a pleasure to have you. Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is. Peace. What you want nigga? Everything nigga supersized.

Two big necks. Like when they doin' them two for five.