IT IS WHAT IT IS - LEBRON JAMES & CHARLES BARKLEY DEFENDING CAITLIN CLARK & KYRIE TOOK IT PERSONAL | S4. EP24

Episode Date: May 23, 2024

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Mace and Cam. What's up, man? What's good, bro? How you, man? Good,

man. What's up, man? It's good to see. What's good, bro? How you, man? Good, man. What's up, man? It's good to see you, man. I went to Brony Pro Day yesterday, man. You did? Yeah, I pulled up on it, man. How did it go? Looked good.

Looked good, man. Looked pretty good. Good as in... What? Nah, he did good. But, you know, what I realized with Pro Day, and not just to Bronny, anybody, I'm talking about Pro Day, the combine for football.

Mm-hmm. It matters when them other players out there to me. You know, you can see nigga killing the drills, pause. But it's like if you're boxing you're just in that ring and the heavy dino ring you in the gym and the heavy bag don't punch back you could be killing the heavy bag yeah so but he looked good as far as his pro day was concerned man first told me to tell you what's up he said uh he said he wanted to know exactly why you was wearing sun on your album cover. I don't know what it was.

He said he come in here with both our album covers. I forget what it was. He said you had the peace line up. He said it was that puffs out there. He reminded me the day he said he come in here with both our first album covers. I think he's a comedian. But yeah, it was a good day. Okay, so let's get into game one.

The Timberwolves lost to the Mavs 108 to 105. Seeing that game, how do you guys think the series is going to go? And what did you think of the Timberwolves' loss after the things Ant-Man has been saying? Stat, you're gaslighting us. I'm not doing that. The way you ask your questions is very gaslit. How so?

What does it sound like? You ask us where the series is going because you know it's going to change from game to game, and you're asking it just to put Cam in a bad situation. I don't think so. I think some people might have felt like it set the tone and some people don't. Well, put me in a bad situation. He said you're a bad situation, not anybody.

But I wouldn't do that. You know that he didn't know you was gaslighting him. But I now know you're gaslighting him. You feel like the tone of how I said it't know you was gaslighting him but i now know you gaslighting you feel like the tone of how i said it sounds like i'm gaslighting try to gaslight me on cna man i can't be gaslit man i'm on the foil on my ashtray i can't be gaslit man it's electric man it's electric it's electric man you ain't gotta play me man

yeah I mean well shout out to PT PT said they was gonna win and um he wanted me to give him a shout out

there you go PT shout out to PT PT said they was gonna to win. But I told him that I don't put nobody above Kyrie. This is why. It's like he gets up for these games that pause, that comes down to guys who's supposed to be like that.

It's like he take that game extra personal. And when you got Luka getting 33 and Kyrie getting 30, they're not going to lose if they're playing that good. And this guy, P.J. Watson, shows you the difference. I mean, Washington shows the difference of what one player can do on a team. He's not the star of the team, but he's actually, Paul's the perfect fit for that unit. And that's really good, especially in Derek Wad. What's his name?

Lively. Yeah. What's his first name? Derek. Yeah, Derek Lively. They got some good key players. Shout out to Sham. I just spoke to Sham, too.

Sham called me up with the whole executive staff from the Mavericks. Shout out to Sham I just spoke to Sham too Sham called me up with the whole executive staff from the Mavericks shout out to y'all appreciate y'all showing me love I said they've been watching me lately

I'm on fire out here they said man I said that's what I that's what you do it's electric it's electric it's electric

it's electric but yeah big shout out big shout out to them on that game, 1-1. After the game was over, Kyrie went up to the podium of the TNT staff. You know, Kenny, Charles, Shaq, Ernie, and the guys. And yeah, and Charles asked him, when Anthony Edwards brought your name up, did you take it personal?

Because when he said your name the first time, I said, excuse me? He said, yeah, Kyrie's my next assignment. We're going to see. Do you take it personal? Because I was thinking you could have just been home chilling, not bothering nobody. And he called out your name.

Kyrie had the face like, I used it for motivation. I ain't going to say I took it personal, but that was really saying, AKA, yeah, I took it personal. In other words, I don't know why you would call me out. I don't get it.

I'm not the one to be called out. If you want to call somebody else, call somebody. With the handle package pours, he got, well, I called me out. And he shot over 50% from the field. Lucas shot right under 30, even though the Mavs as a team shot 24% from three, which was atrocious. They did shoot 95% from the free throw line. So it was a great game uh you know niggas was calling me talking about yeah should ant-man eat his words

now should he watch what he say and i'm like no i like that i like all that like he should watch yo first of all it's a long series or it could be a long series. Secondly, this ain't the time to stop talking. Yeah. This is the only time to talk more.

I like Muhammad Ali and them niggas murder. I told niggas. Roy Jones and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm just saying. Yeah, all that kind of talk. Prince Nassim

and them niggas, man. I ain't really with the niggas on Kumbaya before. Yeah, Larry Bird. This the nigga you got going? Yeah.

I like your man. Yeah, I like all that. Yeah. Niggas say, yo, you should show respect. Nah. And then, you know, nigga, okay, we talking about sex. He said, didn't you have respect for somebody you played? I said, no.

I didn't have respect for one nigga I played with. Not one. I made new, pause. I made new what I had to deal with. Talking about, oh, this nigga's nice. But respect them? How you even go out on the court and be like, nah, I got to show respect. I don't even want nobody on my team to say that.

Yo, why you ain't got him? I'm just showing some respect. Nah, I ain't jacking that, bro. So I thought when Kyrie answered the question, he was like, he answered it modestly, but you could tell

by his facial expressions exactly how he felt when niggas said his name. Call Anthony Towns to have a great game. Anthony Edwards did not have a good game. They all played mediocre.

And the one thing I will say, no matter what, they still only lost by three points. And the one thing I will say, no matter what, they still only lost by three points. And Dallas were on an 8-0 run towards the end of the game, which they were already winning. So when you guys aren't playing that good and you still only lose by three, I wouldn't take this as a moral victory,

but it's something to look forward to saying, hey, man, if we would have made an adjustment here or didn't make this mistake or this turnover, we would have thought about it. It's something to build on. Will it work for the next game? We'll have to wait and see because they still lost at home. It isn't even like they was on the road. So I'm looking forward to the series.

It was a good game one. Yeah. And I think playing in Dallas is going to be different. Dallas is ready to win another championship. It seems like that's what they're gearing towards. Because when they won their last championship, they won. It seemed like that championship came sneaky, too. Just to think about it.

Nobody really thought they was going to beat Miami, right? And then all of a sudden, you're like, where did this dude come from? Where did this little guy come from? And all of a sudden, they're winning the tournament. I mean, they're winning the championship. You got Jason Terry tattooing his arm. They was going crazy. So, I think this is

like the morale that Dallas is in right now. They're thinking like, if we win this, we could win the championship. Because I think whoever wins this series is going to win the championship. I'm still not sold that Boston is going to win it. Interesting take. We'll see what happens. OK, so the Minnesota governor declares Wolves back day and quotes Anthony Edwards in a secret message with his letter, having each of the first letters spell out bring your ass,

because that's what Anthony Edwards said to Charles Barkley in a post-game interview. So what do you guys think of that being the Timberwolves' new little unofficial motto? That's weird. I don't have nothing to say about that. I don't get it, you know, and I'm not a boss trying to say about that. I don't get it. You know, and I'm not trying to say it out.

See, that's what I mean by gaslighting. Out of all the comments, this is the one you brought up. This ain't no setup. This is a big discussion right now because he said it. What do you think about it? I don't know. It's different. I've never seen that be an unofficial motto,

and I've never really seen a player say that. What does he mean by it? He was saying, bring your ass to Minnesota. Because Charles Barkley was like, I haven't been there in over how many years. So that's what Ant-Man told him. That's different is it gen z is it gen z stuff yeah that's great do you see cam asian i'm waiting for y'all i don't have to name nothing i mean pause like i don't like using slogans that you can't

use everywhere you can't use that in jail you gotta that's something you tell a little kid when you when they not listening when you're trying to leave I'm not mad at it for

if that's what they want to run with pause but I don't know you know who's going to be saying that like that I'm not mad at it for if that's what they want to run with pause, but. I don't know who's going to be saying that like that. White people say it is a weird saying. What would you do if a guy said that to you? Is that is that borderline like. No, we got to watch our words these days. I wouldn't really be upset

oh alright so next time you running late okay not you I'll make sure I'm not late. I can imagine your face if I would have texted him. Tell him that you wouldn't be mad at him. He'd be like, what? What?

Okay, fair point. Ready for the next one, y'all? Okay, so a family alleges lamello ball drove over her son's foot with his car and is now trying to sue lamello and the team so she said her son went up to lamello and was like lamello i love you sign me give me your autograph can you sign it for me and she said she saw her son go down and thought maybe he dropped something. Come to find out he didn't drop anything. And she says LaMelo Ball drove over his foot, breaking it. Yeah, there's like pictures of just him in crutches and stuff.

So after hearing that story, what do you guys think of the situation just in general? First, I got to know how old the boy was because, you know, this is in the DNA. Somebody run up to your car. It depends on how tall was the kid. How tall was he? Not that he should have ran over his foot, but I'm trying to get context to this story. Yeah. So the boy was 11 years old.

How tall he was? I don't know. But could you just I know for me, if don't know, but... Yeah, because you just... I know for me, if somebody's running up to my car, you know, I've been in a lot of crazy situations, Paul, so somebody running up to my car, I'm

out. But I don't think if the kid was little, he should have done that, but if the kid was taller, you get what I'm saying? But if he's 11 years old, and this is based off of the mother's story, obviously I'm saying if he's 11 years old and he's this is based off of the mother's story obviously I was not there if he's 11

and he's saying sign yeah if he's saying sign that's kind of weird that um that he ran over his foot that's what she said do you think he was just trying to get away

like didn't want to sign anything or do you think he maliciously ran over I don't think I do not think LaM think he maliciously ran over? I don't think, I do not think LaMelo would maliciously run over a child's foot like ever. It was a bad idea that went worse, right? Yes.

That's what it sounds like. Yeah. Like he was trying to get out of there and then ran over the kid's foot. And what do you do when your idol hurts you? Pause. That's crazy. Like what do you do when your idol hurts you? Pause. That's crazy. Like, the guy you looked up to, because if he ran up for autograph,

he's probably a super fan. This LaMelo ball, especially if it's in Charlotte, is where he, you know, he hope he may play one day. And then this is, like, really scarring. So I hope he get, I hope they settle out. I don't think it should be stressed out and, you know, put all in the media like this, because it is something that probably was just a freak accident

that he was just trying to get out of there and ran over his foot. You know, Amelo is like one of my favorite players out of the young guys, so I definitely don't think he meant any harm by it but when you get older it's not about what you meant it's not about your intent it's about what actually happened and that should be a rule for people that people need to know that when you're young you can say i ain't mean to do it when you get older it doesn't matter what you meant to do you did it that's actually a very very good point

ran over his foot though you would absolutely run over a nigga foot if they was running towards the car it don't matter what age they was I don't care what you say they were six it's a fact I'm not I don't believe I don't care what you say I don't believe

somebody's running to you like yo niggas coming this way I'm not I don't believe I don't care what you say I don't believe if somebody's running you're like yo niggas coming this way I'm like yo they coming out of Chuck E. Cheese Mace I don't care

I would not run over I don't think nobody I don't think nobody you know what I'm saying King I definitely would run over

a nigga foot like yo cause you in the car the whole thing is like, yo, I think you wrote, I don't think he even

meant to roll over for intention. I think he was like, yo, let me get out of here cause I don't feel like dealing with this thing. He didn't have to be

scared neither. It's one of them shits like, damn, I'm a mellow. You got to think wherever he goes, it's annoying.

I definitely know you were like, yo, I'm peeling off, man. And in the car ride ride I might be like yo Mace you ran over that nigga for you be like

pushing the bin there killer you can't do that it doesn't matter how old you are you can't do that this is a fact he's the old Mace but he definitely did that maybe he matured

yeah I matured you can't do that you can't just run up you can't just be putting your hands in niggas cars and all that no Mace

be on his foot so he ain't put his foot there on purpose he trying to catch a lawsuit then when the lawsuit come he be like No, Mace ran his foot. So he didn't put his foot there on purpose. He's trying to catch a lawsuit. Then when the lawsuit comes, he'll be like, I knew this was... His foot might not have been broken. If they only got pictures of him on crutches,

why they ain't recorded the scene? Like, yo, that's LaMelo. Somebody should have that on tape. Yeah. At the scene. So what you're saying is you don't think he ran over his foot I'm not saying

that he didn't because I don't want to accuse an 11 year old a liar and LaMelo boarded and say he didn't run over

his foot so it isn't like it's a lie at this point the boy probably ain't saying he ran over his foot it's the mom

yeah it's on behalf of the mom the mom trying to yeah but at the end of the day, that means, and listen, the mother's doing what a, I don't know,

the race, but a black or brown mom would do. We going to the hospital. And your shit was hurting. He's getting an MRI. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because the whole thing is, it was,

it might have been, you know, he almost ran over my foot. You said he ran over your foot. He did run over your foot. Look at your sleep. He ran over your foot. That's the problem. You can't feel it right now.

Yeah, you love him. Your adrenaline, Paul. You love him this much that you can't even admit when he ran over your foot. Get your ass, bring your ass. Bring your ass. He's going to the hospital. I don't understand

and I'm not saying it isn't footage, but you know, if he was running up to LaMelo, I'm pretty sure it should have been some of his cameras everywhere.

So I don't want to say he's not telling the truth, but, you know, it should be more information to this story. I don't know how long it'll last, but maybe, like May said, the smartest thing,

whether he did or didn't, was, is to settle out. Yeah. Don't want to drag this out. How much money they looking for? $25,000. Oh.

That's not a lot at all. He'd run over his foot. Yeah, because now... If he ran over that foot, it'd be $200,000. First of all, I'm going for $7,000 because I was a dancer.

My passion was to dance. That's all this boy wanted to do, his mother. All he wanted to do Was dance 25,000 That means they super broke Somebody in the house Ain't giving them

The right information Yeah They got the wrong information Cause you go You go for 5 million You settle out for 200 250 We'll get 250

We ain't even do nothing wrong But 25 Nigga that's That's a PR nightmare for the Charlotte Bobcats. But at the end of the

day, they trying to sue the team and him and only get 25. Get this over with. Get it over with. Get the right lawyer. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Who told you 25? 25 ain't even my commission. Exactly.

That's a fact. A fact. Where did this happen at? On the ground? Of the Charlotte Hornets? Shit might be over with by now because the 25,000, I would have sent that ASAP.

What kind of car he was in? All that. They're going to go through all of that. Well, even though we joke up here hope the child is okay hope LaMelo figures it out you know yeah the child is okay

the child is okay okay according to Mace the child is okay yeah they already he already saying 25 25 mean he's okay

if he was really hurt he'd be asking for way more money than that I think even for a broke foot, it's worth more than 25. Get a boy more than 25, man.

Come on, man. Ran over the boy's foot. New Mesa's, wow. He said he wanted 25. I gave him 25. Old Mesa be like, I just have to go on the run. he said he wanted 25 I gave him 25 I said yeah old mates be like I don't

I just gonna have to go on the run 1250 yeah I see tell them I got 3200 in my pocket and then moving along

the all NBA first team was announced with Giannis Luka SGA Jokic and Jason Tatum. After hearing that list, what do you guys think of the players selected?

Giannis. Luka. Luka. SGA. SGA. Jokic. Jason Tatum. That's decent.

I wouldn't argue with that. Yeah, man. It's good for now. It's good for now. I thought Ant-Man should be in that list, but... He's on second team. Yeah. Read that list again.

Ant-Man should be in that first list. Giannis, Luka, SGA, Jokic, Jason Tatum. Ant-Man is on the second team. Hmm. I'm not going to hate on St. Louis because St. Louis has been in my DMs crazy, Paul. They're like, yo, you hating on Bradley Bill? Now you hating on Tatum?

Like, yo, Mace, what's good with you and St. Louis, man? I forgot that it was all from St. Louis. I was just giving my honest commentary. But when it comes to Ant-Man, I don't, I can't think of somebody

that should be off of there, but it just seemed like he should be on there. I'm more intrigued with the second and third list. I'm not mad at the first list. list I'm not mad at the first list And I'm not mad at the second list It's the third list

Third team that I want to talk about Second team Jalen Brunson Anthony Edwards Yeah, Anthony Edwards Kevin Durant Anthony Davis

And Kawhi Leonard How you feel about Jalen Brunson making second team? I think that's cool I think that's cool I'm not sure about Kawhi being on that list Yeah. I think that's cool. I think that's cool. I'm not sure about Kawhi being on that list. Yeah, I mean, I agree with that as well. I know he's done great things for the NBA, Toronto, and all of that. But nah, nah, champ.

The GOAT should be on that. If anybody from the Clippers, the GOAT should be on there. Yeah, and I don't even know if anybody from the Clippers should be on it. That second team, Jalen Brunson, Brick Palmy, Jalen Brunson, Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant, Anthony Edwards, and Kawhi Leonard. Then third team, Devin Booker, Stephen Curry, Tyrese Halliburton, LeBron James, and Sabonis. What do you think about that list?

I know they don't like that. I know LeBron doesn't like that, being on third team. I know Stephen Curry doesn't like being on third team. And other people are probably happy they're on there. I'm on there with LeBron and Steph. Tyrese Halliburton. Yeah, he does like being in the same class, nigga. I'm on the same level.

Yeah. I don't like Devin Booker on this list. Halliburton? What about Maxie? Yeah, I'm not mad at Maxie. Maxie should have been on that third list.

Yeah, I'm not. Devin Booker, I don't. I mean, I didn't watch The Suns as much as I was. He was getting busy all year. He was? Okay. Okay. That's why I said Maxie should be there over Halliburton

because there was some games that Halliburton just got missing. I mean, I know he turned up in New York, but I remember a few games. Remember, we was talking about the tournament, and he went out there in the tournament, and he did Dame time, and then the next time, they played somebody, and they just completely vanished. He was at LeBron, though, right? Yeah, but he was hurt after the tournament for a while,

but they didn't want to talk about it. And, well, you're out there. I don't, talk about it. And, well, you're out there. I don't, you know, you're out there, you're out there. But that's what they were talking about. And they say he started getting more healthy towards the playoffs. So that's why they're saying you're seeing a different Halliburton in between the playing and the playoffs.

Do you think he played better than Maxie, Tyrese Maxie, Philadelphia? Maxie been getting crazy the whole season. I wouldn't argue if you put Maxie there. I'm not going to argue you put him there either, but I get your point. I'm not mad at either one of those. I just think that Maxie would have probably been there and Joel Embiid if they had their full team. Maxie, the reason why I would put Maxie there

because even though they didn't make the playoffs initially, he held them at least in them top eight seeds to get to the playoffs to get Joel Embiid

back even to play. So, if you put him in Tyrese Halliburton's spot, I wouldn't be mad at him. Yeah, because at one point, Maxie was playing

equivalent with Jalen, with Jalen Brunson. So he's probably at home with Bo Ball voice. I get it. Yeah. Okay. So there's a couple...

What did he do I didn't do? Right. So there's a couple things to note. So LeBron James is now the youngest and the oldest player to make an all-NBA team. But I want to get you guys' reactions to two of the major comments that I'm seeing around the list.

So one, people feel like for the first team, Jalen Brunson got robbed and it should have been him over Jason Tatum. Do you guys agree or disagree? What? I'm reading comments. That must have been some people are saying new york somebody from new york wrote that comment tell me that name i'm gonna look them up on instagram right now this is twitter twitter is where everybody oh yeah twitter they go crazy yeah santo he from the Bronx. Watch what you say. Yeah, his bio's New York.

Yeah, he from New York. Santo, I heard it. But yeah, he should have been first team. No, he should. I don't even have him over Anthony Edwards. I remember Killer asked me that. Who would you take, Jalen Brunson or Anthony Edwards? And we both said Anthony Edwards.

And that all played out to be true even moving forward. Yeah, I think when it comes to Jalen Brunson and the New York Knicks fans. He had an amazing year, though. Yeah, he had a tremendous year. A really, really tremendous year. And we're so captivated all of us included with scoring and

the amount of points he was putting up back to back to back and you know I think he tied up Michael Jordan's record for most consecutive 40 point games

and one player or not tied he was right behind pardon me because I'm like listen Todd I know you have five

five and I think he was right behind Mike I think think, of course. Either way, tremendous year. Really, really tremendous year. But we ought to realize that he had to do that to win. And that's what it took for them to win. You got so many players injured on the Knicks.

I'm not saying he can't do it with Julius Randle there, other players there. It's just that his shot, amount of shots he gets is going to be less because Randle's going to need his shots. And even Chenzel's going to need some shots next year.

And I'm not saying he can't do it, but he's going to distribute the ball more. But when he was scoring them points, he needed to score them points for the Knicks to win. And everybody gets so caught up. Like, Ant-Man ain't have 45 times. Or Wishing Man, Shea, Gildress, Alexandra. This is New York fans.

He ain't have 40, 17 times like so-and-so. And I'm like, bro, they have a little better team than the Knicks because y'all are depleted and y'all are hurt. So they get so caught up with the numbers and not paying to Jason Tatum. He had a great team. He has a great team. Nobody from the Boston Celtics was even chosen in the final race for MVP because the team is too good. You couldn't really single out

one person who dominated all year. Whether it's Jalen Brown, whether it's some days it's Jason Tatum, which we know are the top two players, but Al Hoffer stepped up. Derek White had an amazing year and they have a complete team.

They don't win. I don't know what the fuck is going on. It might be a black cat up there in Boston as well but to say take Jason Tatum out no nobody was even close to the Boston Celtics

when it came to their record at the end of the season so I totally disagree and then the other argument is that there's only one American listed on the all NBA first team so how do you guys feel about that there's only one American listed on the All-NBA First Team. So how do you guys feel about that? There's only one American? Yeah.

Jason Tatum. Where's Brunson? Oh, from... Yeah, the First Team. First Team. Yeah, we knew that already, though. We knew that already. I wouldn't be surprised if next year there's no Americans.

Because you got to think next year they'll be adding Wimby. So it might not be any Americans. Think of that for a moment. Because we can all see Wimby being added to that list. The way Bo Ball put it, this is the direction they're going. So if they already had him up for defensive player of the year, now he's all first-team rookie. Next year, if he does those same numbers and they win half more games than they did last time,

if they win half of the season, then I could really see them trying to vote for him as MVP. No, man, that's just, man. I think Ant-Man and I have something to say about that, though. As well. Yeah, he will.

And then last stat that I think is interesting. So, at 25, Luka was named to his fifth All-NBA First Team selection. This is more than Steph Curry,

Dirk Nowitzki, Kevin Garnett, and Moses Malone. What do you guys think about that stat? Where you get Moses Malone. What do you guys think about that stat? Where you get Moses Malone from, though? That's the list, y'all. Oh, my goodness.

That's what I mean by gaslighting. I'm not. Yeah. I'm not. You throw people in there that you know people care about so they can say something crazy so they can feel offended. Is that called gaslighting? No, I wouldn't consider that gaslighting.

What do you consider it? Gaslighting, like making somebody feel as if what they're doing is like not. OK, I guess I'm not gaslighting you. I'm just reading names and getting you guys thoughts alright so Moses Malone

Seth Curry Dirk Nowitzki and Kevin Garnett he has more that's great company that's great company and especially when you talk about

being over these people and being able to pass them up it says saying a lot that means he's going to be a first ballot hall of pass them up is, it says saying a lot. That means he's going to be a first ballot hall of fame. That's what it says to me. Pardon me.

Outside of Dirk Nowinski, I don't know what year, how was Dirk Nowinski when he got to the NBA for me? What we did say is everybody that I'll name, and I don't know how old Dirk Levinsky was, everybody that we named

on the list went to college. 20. He was 20. Yeah. So that's what I'm trying to say. He had more time than everybody else outside of Dirk.

But everybody went to college on that list. You didn't say LeBron James you didn't say Kobe Bryant because them niggas came out of high school and they had more time to make the all-star game so the players that you named spent time in college as when Luka came to the NBA the day he was available to come to the NBA at 19 years old so that's what I'll have to say that's why you had to go so far back to Moses Malone.

Because you're not. No, no, no. I'm just saying because not you. I'm just saying because. If you name niggas like that, like who's like that, they came from high school until they changed the rule. Who could then have to go to college? Okay. Let us know you guys' thoughts on the list. We're going to go to break. Okay. Let us know you guys'

thoughts on the list. We're going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss The Ringer's top 25 list of players under 25. Don't go anywhere. She called this thing about toxic.

Four years and counting. Got you feeling like an option maybe i'm my own problem babe she's tired of hearing i don't know what's happening in me won't fall oh oh dealing with this thing called trust but she really thinking about it. She want to be free. Welcome back. Now let's get into our Underdog Fantasy Picks of the Day. So we know the Celtics will play the Pacers. Underdog Fantasy has Jason Tatum at eight first quarter points.

Do you have him higher or lower, Mace? Lower. Lower. Hey, Jalen Brown is at seven rebounds. Um, lower. Lower. Okay, Jalen Brown is at seven rebounds. Do you have them higher or lower, Cam? Lower. Yeah, lower. Okay, and Halliburton is at 32 and a half points,

rebounds, and assists. Do you have them higher or lower, Mace? Points, rebounds, and assists. Higher. How many? 32 and a half. Oh, yeah. All right.

Download the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too. So the Ringer released their list of the top 25 best players in the NBA age 25 and under. I'm going to name the top 10. So one is Wemby, two, Anthony Edwards, three, SGA, four, Luca, five, Tyrese Halliburton, six, Tyrese Maxey, seven, Chet, eight, Jalen Williams, nine,

Paulo Banqueiro, and then 10 is tied with Zion and Ja Morant. Do you guys see any issue with the list or does it seem pretty solid to you this list is disrespectful y'all there's no way you got jive number 10 like for real like i don't i don't understand who makes these lists up yo y'all gotta y'all gotta ask the expert if y y'all going to be making lists, you got to check in with me, check in with Killer, because this list is crazy, man. I can only imagine if this was a coach putting this team up and said this was the team. You're like, yo, bro, how does must-see TV end up number 10? Ja Morant is tied with Zion No Zion is after Ja Morant Do you at least agree with that killer?

Yes Yeah this nigga Zion is not better than Ja right now I think we live And not to cut you off I want you to finish what you're saying Live in a short tension span It's like niggas not have In niggas brain

They ain't seen Ja since Ozark came on last time. They haven't seen him in a long time, so. Yeah, Jai. Come on, Jai. You got to come back and kill these niggas, Jai. For real. They got you number 10, playing with your name.

Got you behind Jalen Williams. There's people you shouldn't be behind. Even, I know Tyrese Maxey had a great year. Tyrese Maxey, nor Tyrese Halliburton want any smoke with Ja. Ja name should have been number five right after Alexander. And Alexander should have been after Luca. And Luca should be after Wimby. And Wimby should be after Anthony Edwards. Anthony Edwards should be at the top of this list. I don't know.

They need to do this list over. Yo, I got to call them tomorrow. Who got a number on the people from the ringer? I need to talk with them. This is crazy. So in summary, right, you think Ant-Man should be first. You think that Jaws should be around number five. Maxie, Jalen, J-Dub, you put them all under him, under Ja Morant.

And then you think Zion is good at number 10. Yeah, let me ask you this, Killer, and let me ask you that as well. Do you think the year you've seen, you're ready to say that Maxie is better than Ja Morant. Just yes or no. I don't need no explanation. Either yes or no. What do you think, Stat? Tyrese Maxie is not better than Ja Morant, but given the season that he had,

that's what I'm sure the list that they're going off of. Okay. All right. You, Killer? I don't think that he's better than them, but they're definitely more durable. You're not available than you're not available.

This is the third year in a row that, and I know that he was eliminated from the playoffs, but he's hurt when the playoffs come. And we've seen what happened when Jordan Poole grabbed his knee. It was fucked up. And then he's hurt again.

And now this year, he got hurt before the playoffs. And, you know, he gets in trouble. So you don't see him. And then you're like, well, these niggas ain't bad to be watching. You know what I'm saying? They all right. Can't have moved on to new hotness, Ja. No. like, well, these niggas ain't bad to be watching. You know what I'm saying? They alright. Camden moved on to new hotness, Ja. No. Make sure you kill

Maxie for Cam. Kill him for Cam. Make sure you throw extra dunk on Maxie for killer. I never said that. I just said, I started off everything I said with Ja Morant's a better player than them. But if he's not available, he's not just said, I started off everything I said with John Morant's a better player than them.

But if he's not available, he's not available. So I started off that he's a better player. I want to watch John Morant probably second after Kyrie Irving and especially in terms of entertainment. Like you just said, he's definitely must see TV.

Absolutely. I'm not mad at the order that you have said either. I would put Ant-Man 1. Let me look at this. I would have Ant-Man 1. Yeah, you can't have Ja down there with niggas like Scotty Barnes and Cade Cunningham. Come on.

Yeah, I would definitely have him. Scotty Barnes is dead nice, but I'm saying you don't put Ja. I may. Matter of fact, I may have Luka number one and Anthony Edwards two. And then I'll put Shea three. And then I might put Ja four. I might put Ja four. That's the killer I know.

You back, killer. I never left, murder. You's the killer I know. You back, killer. I never left, murder. You don't want Title 10. You're on the move with Title 10. You back now, nigga. You back. You on the move with Title 10. There's a lot of people that's really good on this list that you know, even Jalen Green, Trey Young is on this list

and on the top 10. It looks bright for the NBA, I'll say that. Yeah, and no disrespect to Scottie Barnes. I really like him as a player. What I did look at this list and say, Chet is starting to really make a name for himself. Like one of those players. I think he's going to be really one of those players.

No further comment? Okay. Yeah, and I don't know. The list, I'm a little back and forth. Wemby being number one, so you guys both disagree

with him being at one. Yeah, this is that whole, this is what Bo Ball was talking about. Like, any list they come up with, they're trying their best in anything. It's starting to be obvious, y'all. Any list they come up with, Wimby is somewhere in there.

That would be a good skit. All you Instagram comedians, make the Wimby skit. It wouldn't matter if it was blocks, if it was most minutes played. Somehow they're trying to put Wimby on that award. I got to agree with that because Wimby is at the top of every list. And even just looking at the rest of it.

I mean, even like to me, like Tyrese Maxey and Paulo both definitely proved themselves this season. So I think that they do deserve a higher slot. But my last person that I am going to ask you about is Jalen Williams, J-Dub, OKC, him being an 8. Are you guys OK with his position there? Or you think that he should be higher or lower? I think Jalen Williams did his thing.

OK. Yeah, that's interesting. But I don't think he's better than Ben Carroll. I actually agree. Yeah. Yeah. So this is really a political list, and I don't like looking at lists. And even a lady can look at it and say, you know what?

Not that your taste doesn't matter. Not that you wasn't journalist of the year. It's okay. Let me take that back. I promise I'm not offended. Let me take that back in real time. But when everybody can see that this is off, that's what I really meant to say.

When everybody can see that this is off, this is bad journalism. It looks too biased. We can tell. You said what you meant to say originally. This is going back to the kicker from yesterday. Yeah,

I think he's going to say that. I felt that too. I know, I felt that too. Yeah, yeah, it's from the kicker

yesterday. I told you, I know this nigga for real. He keeps fighting with his self. He's only fighting with his self

every day. Watch what you say, murder. You're Mason. You don't even realize it, like I said, even the woman. Yeah, because, I mean, when they can see it, it's bad. Because... He didn't double back down. i meant it in a different way though i'm using the wrong words but but what's so funny i have to say this what's so funny is

when you're about to say something i already know because you'd be like it's like a long pause and you'd be smiling like looking at what i'm gonna say and i'm like i already know what you're gonna say you don't have to tell me what you're going to say because I already know what you're about to say. And it's okay. I think it's obvious that they've made a bad list. You know? I'm not mad at him on this list.

He averaged 19 points, four and a half rebounds, four assists on the number one team in the West. Nobody had Oklahoma City coming in on the number one team in the West. Nobody had Oklahoma City coming in on the number one team in the West. And as much as we love Shea, nobody could do it alone. Michael Jordan can't do it alone. Kobe Bryant can't do it alone. Shaquille O'Neal can't do it alone. And we have yet to see anybody do this alone. So if he's second fiddle, I don't want to use the word, not like that trying to play you, my nigga,

but if you're the second go-to on a team that's number one in the West, averaging close to 20 points, I'm not mad at him for making this list. It's tough as we, the West is. Who are you talking about? I'm talking about James for OKC. You said that you didn't think he should make

the list. I was saying I'm not mad at him being in the top 10 list because he's the second

go-to. He's averaging nearly 20 points. And not only that, he's shooting 54% from

the field. So over 50% on the number one team in the West. As much as I was

saying, we thought Golden State may make a run, the Lakers may make a run,

the Suns may make a run, Denver's in the West. We was looking forward to seeing what Sacramento may come back and do. I don't think anybody at the beginning of the season outside of Vegas may have fucking known. People that are faithful in Oklahoma City may have known

that they were coming in number one in the West. But I had absolutely no idea whatsoever. So I'm not mad at him making that list if we're going off this year and then last question I promise I'm not asking this because I am a heat fan it is in discussion this is why I'm asking a player that did not make the top 25 list of players under 25 is Tyler Hero do you guys feel like he should be on the list or he's not in the top 25 in your opinion? That's a good question. Looking at this list,

he could be in this list, but I'm not mad that he's not. Because I'm looking at who, the only person I could think he would get the spot of is 25, Jabari Smith. Other than that, there's nobody on here. Jared Jackson, nope. LaMelo Ball, nope.

Jalen Green, definitely not. Desmond Bang, nope. Brandon Miller, nope. It's probably two spots. I see two spots that he could possibly be in it. And that would be our argument. And this is why I like what Killer said. The best ability is availability.

And him not being available hurts his chances. So now I kind of see that when we were saying about John hindsight. But if you're talking talent, he could be in there. You know, it's basically even like

what we were saying. This list really depends on if we're talking about overall their career up until now, we're talking about this year. So if we're talking about this year, Josh shouldn't be on the list. If we're talking about this year career up until now, we're talking about this year. So if we're talking about this year, Josh shouldn't be on the list. If we're talking about this year, maybe Tyler should be on,

maybe he shouldn't, but he was hurt the previous year, hurt Miami's chances of going, and then the Heat didn't have the best year that they could have this year that just passed, so he wasn't talked about that much. And then you go on the back of a milk carton because we're not in Miami covering you. We're just covering

what's the best teams. They're not saying the best, but we're covering everything top to bottom, pause and in between. But if you're not a topic to talk about, then we're going to say,

should he make this list? That's the question. So I can't answer should he make this list or not because even me scrolling So I can't answer should he make this list or not because even me scrolling, going through the list briefly, I would have to go through everybody because there's players down there

at 18, 19 that you're like, damn, this nigga is nice. This nigga isn't good. The list is not a bad list. I just don't like the order of the list. But the players they have in there are really good. Should Tyler Harrell be in there or not?

I can't answer that question because I didn't pay that much attention to him this year. Okay. And then there is a tweet circulating talking. He did average 20 points though. 44% from the field,

five assists, five rebounds. So the number wise, it wasn't bad, but did it make the heat better? Yeah. And he just turned 24 in January. So, I don't know. but did it make the heat better? Yeah. And he just turned 24 in January. So, I don't know.

Let us know what you guys think about it in the comments. Pat Rowley told him, nigga, you ain't always hurt, nigga. Pat Rowley said, stop playing with niggas, man. Get on the court. Maybe you might make the list. Pat Rowley went off on niggas. So, if Pat Rowley got a problem with him, I got a problem with him. Fair.

Okay. So there is another tweet circulating around talking about NBA nicknames back then versus today. So talking about how Dwayne Wade was the flash. Kobe Bryant was Mamba. Paul Pierce was the truth. But nowadays the nicknames are just Anthony Edwards being aunt SGA being literally SGA Kevin Durant being KD. So the

question was, where did the creativity go? So what do you guys think about just NBA nicknames, players, marketability, things of that nature? I think a lot of the creativity, some of it was lost with social media just people trying to get handles so they just start once they saw CP3 CP3 was a dope one then after that

everybody just started trying to make their name go with their numbers and stuff like that I think that had a lot to do with it I think that the players

with the nicknames back then aren't their nickname. And people may not just get that feeling paused when they watch these players. When you sit there and watch, look, as much as y'all people, younger players I'm talking about, not players, younger people in general, and see Paul Pierce wilding out with the strippers

or drinking or saying some crazy shit from time to time. The man was nice. He didn't, he wasn't called the truth for no reason. But they would have took the name away.

Like, he wasn't called the truth for nothing. Allen Iverson wasn't called the answer. He wasn't the self-proclaimed Iverson. A lot of times

these players wasn't giving their self the nickname. People were giving times, these players wasn't giving their self the nickname. People were giving them, people were earning the nickname that was given to them. You know, like when I played in 55th, I was the All-American.

You go to 55th, that's where you really get the nickname, too, when you play up there. You might take it with you wherever you go. But I think nobody's really paying attention

to how people are playing and that's where the nickname goes out the window not saying that they're not playing aggressive or or dope but you know kobe ain't just get the name mamba pause for nothing nigga yeah he was really those names like action jackson yeah he did. Yeah, he had the, yeah. Actually, niggas said Poe's murder when you said Action Jackson. It's a quiet Poe. Be the niggas on your own. Be the niggas on your own team.

That was a good catch, though, team. That was wild. Action Jackson. Yeah, a good catch though that was wild action Jackson yeah I was gonna let it go that catch was wild too yeah for pause

that's your man why you getting in there I ain't say nothing I ain't even say nothing but that's up to the players and the fans

and the people if they want to get players nicknames cool if you don't want a nickname fine but I don't think any of these nicknames were self-proclaimed. Yeah, you're right, Killer.

Yeah. As far as Glenn Big Dog Davis, he got that name from... Big Baby, yeah. Yeah, going crazy. Oh, you're talking about Big Dog. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's at Purdue.

Yeah. He's going crazy. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. To be honest with you, that's kind of a great question because who starts giving niggas nicknames? Because if you try and make up your own nickname and it don't go right, niggas going to clown you like the GOAT.

I'm not dissing the GOAT nickname. I'm dissing when you be saying you play off P and then you don't get to the championship. So niggas be like, what is he talking about, this playoff P? Yeah, who made up playoff P? Yeah, that's what I'm trying to tell you, Paul George.

I'm not trying to diss you. Tony Kornheiser and Mike Wilborns and all them other world be like, where's this playoff P name coming from? So I just want you to know you got to live up to that because they on your ass, nigga. Pause.

Like when they said King James, he lived up to it. Yeah. It matters. It matters. Yeah. When you're Ed Joy and you fly like this. Pause. Dame Tom.

Yeah. Splash Brothers. Yeah. All that. They earned their name. Yeah, exactly. A hundred percent. Okay.

And then last time before we wrap, this has just been a very trending topic among just everybody. And now, especially that like LeBron spoke about it, it's just back and forth conversation. So LeBron started speaking about Caitlin Clark's impact on the WNBA. He said, Caitlin Clark is the reason why a lot of great things is going to happen for the WNBA.

I'm rooting for Caitlin because I've been in that seat before. So Charles Barkley decided to take the stage out of his postgame interview and bring up what LeBron said. And he said, you women out there, y'all are petty. LeBron, you are 100% right on these girls hating on Caitlyn Clark. Y'all petty girls. Y'all should be thanking that girl for getting y'all asses a private charter and all the money and visibility she's bringing into the WNBA. Don't be petty like dudes. Who said that?

Charles Barkley. Charles, you taking my takes now? What's going on? Facts. I can't even argue with that. You're right. Oh, my goodness. I'd rather be more more vocal pause, man.

He's just running with the glow. I can't do nothing. What you think, Kelly? I said that like a week ago. You definitely did. You said it more than once. And it was longer than a week ago. That's why I had to bring it.

Yeah, you definitely, you said it more than one time. That's probably why they canceling the show as a TNC, man. Can't be, what they call this in college? Plagiarism? You can't take that man quote like that

and do that and not, not cite him on it, right? Police killers say, bo-ball voice, right. Come on, man. Don't be don't be afraid to just throw the expert a little, you know. Little credit was. I love Charles Barkley, but that was my take. They try to give it to LeBron. They try to get LeBron my credit. Come on. I'm going to walk off

killer. Sure, man. Killer call a nigga. Tell him what he's doing, man. All right, let me hear. Let me hear real quick. What did LeBron say

that I want to hear with Charles Barkley? Yeah, LeBron said, Caitlyn Clark is the reason why a lot of great things are going to happen for the WNBA. I'm rooting for Caitlyn because I've been in that seat before.

And then Charles Barkley. All right, let's start right there. That's not your take. Charles Barkley took your take. Now let's hear what Charles Barkley has to say. Yeah, he said. Because you haven't been in that seat before. He said, cut that.

Okay. Barkley said, you woman out there, y'all petty, man. LeBron, you are 100% right on these girls hating on Caitlyn Clark. Y'all petty girls.

Y'all should be thanking that girl for getting y'all asses private charters and all the money and visibility she's bringing into the WNBA. Don't be petty like dudes. So Mace, LeBron didn't take your take.

Charles Barkley did. Okay, okay. Yes, I'm trying to throw a high on it. Call him up. Yeah, man. You was at the pro day. Yeah, man. Chill out, bro.

Niggas continuously say, tell murder what's up, and that's what you do. Continuously. Tell that nigga, Bron, I said what's up, and that's what you do. Continuously. Tell that nigga Braun I said what's up. All right, man. Shout out to King James.

But yeah, as far as what Charles Barkley said, they said this already. So I can't, you know, I even hate to say that he said it. But he kind of said that. It ain't verbatim, but it's mad close. It's mad close. And that's what plagiarism is all about, right? Take your essay and then change a few words. Yeah, somebody else's work.

You made a hot line, he made a hot song. Yeah. You fell out with an artist over there Yeah, that's what I'm telling you Cut the music off Yeah, man You had to cut the music off Yeah, man, listen Be like the music off Yeah man listen I dig man

I dig man Yeah Okay well In the comments let us know if you guys think Mace's take was plagiarized But that's all the time that we have for today Thanks for watching and as always It is what it is. What you want, nigga? Everything nigga supersize. Two big necks.

Like when they doing them two for five.