IT IS WHAT IT IS - LUKA GETS THE FIRST LAUGH IN REVENGE VS. THE MAVS, MA$E & KILLA HEATED DEBATE OVER UDOKA & HOW DO YOU TRUST A PLAYER?! | S6 EP29

Episode Date: February 26, 2025

Ma$e, Cam’ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one!! On this episode, Luka gets a TRIPLE DOUBLE vs. the Mavs in the 1st meeting between Dallas and LA since the wild trade that sent AD to Dallas and Luka to Hollywood. Then, Ma$e & Killa get into it over where does Udoka, Rockets HC, rank amongst the NBA Elite coaches & how do players earn your trust?! Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Support the show and sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code CAM and get a $1000 first deposit match, and a Special Pick'em pick. Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson , Producer Ayooo Nick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello y'all, uh I was selling crack on a private jet up in a hell and back But no confusion, this a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Yeah, Murda here, he countin' money He said, can't man the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga

Black fences and white vigas Now I'm out here and I'm lookin' for more chandeliers and light pictures Nah, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is, this episode is sponsored by Underdog. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states, including California, Texas, and York, just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog app. Use code MACE, CAM, or STAT to get up to $1,000

in bonus credits with your first deposit and a free pick. I'm Treasurer Wilson, AKA STATbaby, along with your hosts Mace and Cam. Killer was good, man. Hey, shit, how you doing, man? Everything good? Yeah, how you doing, man? Everything good? Yeah, how our team doing? You don't even know what team I'm talking about.

That's why I, you right. I have, you know, I did, that's why I don't know what you- See, that mean you're triggered. I am, I am, I'm not gonna lie. You right, I am triggered. Yesterday, yesterday, you actually said you wore blue for Minnesota.

The colors and shit with you, y'all niggas is wild, so I have no idea who you talking about, but you're right, I am Trigger, because who knows who's your team. Not week to week, day to day, it's hour to hour, maybe minute to minute at this place. No, I was talking about our 40 and over team. Okay, all right, all right, all right.

We won the championship, it's a four-peat they say. Larry? Yo, Larry, you got to trademark the four-peat. You're Michael Larry. You got to trademark the four-peat. The four-peat? Yeah. Well, P.T. balled out.

Yeah. P.T., you got MVP? No, no, one of the other cats got MVP. Who they gave MVP to? What's his name? I forgot his name. I don't even know his name. He on our team, but he bought out. He bought out. That ain't gonna lie.

He bought out today. He would've manned a man on us, and we made him pay. They couldn't, you know what I'm saying? So, Murdo, I went to the game. I actually went. And when I got there, I got there towards the end of the first half. They was up when I got there, but then when I got there, they got there towards the end of the first half. They was up when I got there,

but then when I got there, they was losing at halftime. Then Larry and Mark started arguing. They started looking like it was about to be a fight. So then the second half started and they was down like five. I said, I'm not here for no championships. And they went, I'm leaving cause I'm not gonna be the jinx.

So I left it like with 10 minutes left. And then they text me and let me know that they won. Yeah, they pulled it away. Yeah. Okay, okay. Larry, what'd you say to that? Larry, I said I was mad. I was mad at him.

He threw his jersey and got mad and he played a second half. Maybe that's why they won, Larry. You know what? I've always told you I'm a team player. I don't mind. PT was running offense in there. PT went to team with me.

PT had to do what he had to do. Paws, PT. PT was. You tell a nigga I had a team player, I don't mind. PT was running offense in there. PT had to do what he had to do. Pause, PT. PT was. You can tell when they got a good game, he's sitting on the side. Man, I'm a team player. He finally put the ball in his possession. PT was on his Derek Harper shit.

Yeah. He said that. Yeah. Let's go, PT. Definitely on his team. Baby, you didn't show up to the chip. No, I didn't. I'm a team player. I'm a team player.

Yeah. Listen, I'm gonna do whatever it takes. And that's why I didn't show up. That's the new one. I'm Larry Bird on the Olympic team. You don't really need me. You Larry Bird on the Olympic team. It's crazy. I'm keeping an eye on Larry Bird.

I ain't see Larry Bird shoot no air balls, Larry. I seen an air ball today. Listen, my average went from three to nine. That's a good one. I only had two today though. You ain't gonna put Bird with the Larry. But that's how I feel out there. I feel like Larry Bird.

You don't really need me. When I need me, you know what I'm saying? I get busy. Larry Fishburne. Yeah. I was looking for some Larry. I mean, can't be Larry Davis. You know what I mean?

You have to be Larry Fishburne. Listen, we know we like, we trying to get killer out there. You in shape, he ready to go. I'm not in basketball full court shape. See, you know what I've noticed? I see B's aren't playing either. You know what it is? I like to play, but I hold myself to a high standard.

Yeah. When you play to the level, like I play, but all jokes aside, what I do, all jokes aside, seriously, I really commend y'all because that's a super duper exercise standard. And whether win or lose, for y'all guys to be out there running up and down the court for 40 minutes is exceptional.

Where the trophy at, Larry? I don't know, I left, I was mad. Just kidding. My partner near my ace got into it, I left, I was mad. PT made sure I was good, and I left, I was all right. I gotta go get this cheddar now, we gotta work the chip. Yeah, we'll see you run it back. And then as far as the stamina, that's the part and I left, I was all right. I gotta go with this cheddar now, we gotta work the two. Yeah, we'll see you run it back. And then as far as the stamina,

that's the part that I got, is the shooting that I don't have. That's why I'm like, y'all got it, I'll be there to support. But from then on- You scored when you played? I tried, I had a lot of air balls. Like you were actually laughing at me.

Like you were nice about it, but yeah, everybody was laughing. But I could go, I had the court, that's all. I could run. What kind of basket did you get, a finger roll? You know, I just, no. It was a layup. And barely even that.

You know, I tried my best and that's okay. I don't play sports, it's fine. Okay, so, Musty TV, we gotta talk about this game. Luca gets his revenge back on the Mavs in a Lakers jersey, beating them 107-299. First of all, before we even get into the strict details, Mase, do you feel like that game lived up to the hype? Yeah, definitely, because this is something,

you know, in the previous weeks, everybody was saying about how the Lakers, how the Lakers wasn't gonna do well. Some people were saying they would. Some people were saying they weren't. And it seemed like everybody was on, on like, like definite about what they said, whether it was good or bad. And then you had the rumors out there, Luke, I so out of shape,

he can't even run down the court. So this game was definitely a good one that I wish I was present for. You know, when you got the Lakers, it's not that I didn't expect the Lakers to win, but I think it would have been much better if Anthony Davis was there. That's the only part that I take away from this. I look at it being an instant rivalry and this is something when the playoffs come back around that I would be looking forward to. Yeah, it was really a great game.

I watched from start to finish. Luca, you could tell he was on one. He came out from the jump, shooting. Every time he scored in the first quarter or the first half, he would look at the Dallas bench. He would definitely look them, then he'd call the time first half, he would look at the Dallas bench. He would definitely look at them. Then he'd call the time out. He actually start walking towards the Dallas bench.

I said, this the energy I wanna see. This is exactly what I'm here to see. But on the other side of the ball, Kyrie came to ball too. Kyrie was there like nigga. It may be, it made the eyes on you, but I'm gonna bring him to me. Kyrie, listen, I watched a lot of basketball in my life.

A lot of basketball. And the shit that I see something new in 2025, I thought I seen it all when it comes to basketball. I thought I seen every move you could do, everything you could do. I don't know what step Kyrie did, because it wasn't a Euro. It might've been a South Australia step. I don't know which fucking step this nigga did.

It might have been the New Zealand step. I don't know what the fuck Kyrie bounce the ball, act like he's going Euro step, but the ball was still over there. Euro step, pick the juke back up, and then Euro step. That's enough. Kyrie ball hands on another level.

And before I get back to Luca, you know, you sit there and watch N1 and all that growing up and everything. And you see all the moves they do, shout out to the N1 players that don't do illegal moves. I know my man Allen Evans, aka Allie Mo, aka the Black Widow, he used to be mad at some of the N1 players,

because he played N1 too, but he's like, that's not basketball shit that they doing, because you know, sometimes they travel, et cetera. Kyrie is doing in 21. I don't know what the fuck he score, because it's still legitimate moves what he doing, it's just, I've never seen him before. So salute to Kyrie, because he had 35 points,

but the sight man was there for Luca. He almost had a triple double in the first half. He think he had 12, 11, I think 12, 11, and seven. He was three assists short of a triple double. Ended up finishing with 15 points, 19 rebounds, 12 assists. So he finished the triple double, had an excellent game. LeBron James had an excellent game. The Lakers defensive tenacity was great.

And all the jitters got out. I don't think it was a great game. I thought it was a great game. The Lakers' defensive tenacity was great. And all the jitters got out. I don't think there was any jitters for Luca at all, because personally, to me, the way Luca was playing, even though it wasn't like he had 30 or 48, thing like that, the look in his eyes was like, let me get the ball. I know these niggas. You'd be like, nah, nah, I know these niggas. You be like, nah, nah, I know these niggas. Let me rock out. But they was doubling the triple team

and shout to Jason K who came up with a great defensive plan, did as much as he could to contain Luca. I thought it was sensational defense that they played. Cause you know, Luca looked like he wanted to go for 30. And we ought to remember what a lot of people don't remember right now. Luca's actually the reigning scoring champion at this very moment.

He's the fifth reigning scoring champion that got traded mid-season ever. But we not act, you know, he averaged, averaged at 34 points last year, close to it. So we know he could score the ball, but for the passes he was throwing, the things he was doing outside of scoring, it was tremendous.

So shout to the Lakers, shout to Luke, and I'll say this lastly. Dallas will be a very, very dangerous team moving forward. It isn't just about Anthony Davis not playing. They're playing with no center at all. Gafford isn't there, Lively isn't there, and of course AD isn't there. When they get their centers back,

it's gonna be a real, real problem. Now we know it's not a lot of games remaining in the season and they're sitting in that playing spot as we speak, but these guys are playing great considering they have no legitimate big man right now. So I wanna give a shout out to the Dallas Mavericks doing what they can do with no center the last few games. And I think when they get their centers back

along with AD, that they're gonna be a problem. But it was Luca's night, it was the Lakers' night. Congratulations to them. What I did see was this. As much as we talk about LeBron on the handover the reins to AD or whoever, and now Luca's there, LeBron, to me,

had maybe a better night than Luca. Luca had a great night, but I think LeBron had a better night than Luca. But when a great night, but I think LeBron had a better night than Luca. But when the game's over, LeBron left to go to the locker room with three, four seconds left before the game was even over so that Luca could do the interview. To me, that's how I took it.

That isn't what was said. I don't know if he's heard anything. He definitely wasn't heard. But that's one of them things, interview him. I've been trying to not do all this for this many years. It's Luca Knight I don't want to do the interview. This is his team and I play my role. He actually said Yesterday earlier before the game. He said look I'm a receiver I've been a receiver my whole life Lucas a quarterback and this thing is gonna work and our last night's game was proof of that

So far, they're actually five in one And last night's game was proof of that so far. They're actually five and one since the trade happened. And let's also keep our eye on Golden State because they're four and one since Jimmy Butler got there. These are two teams that look like these trades are working so far and they'll see what happens when the playoff starts. Yeah.

So on another note, that was a great take. Do we think that this was that good if you say all of the front court wasn't there and they only lost by eight? Well, that's the part about it. They don't have a legitimate center to me since AD left. But that's gonna be a problem for anybody actually moving forward.

Now, don't get me wrong, you got Hardstein, you got Check, but when you got Lively and you got Gafford, and you could push AD to the four, which he wants to play the four anyway and not have to center responsibilities, it's gonna be a problem not just for the Lakers. It's gonna be a problem for people in the West if everybody stays healthy.

We gotta think about this last year. As much as me personally, I thought Dallas was gonna repeat. And even though they took him to seven games, I think that was a problem for the Joker last year, having Call Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobert on him. They kind of figured it out throughout the season. We know Jamal Murray wasn't healthy for that series.

But if you got two big men in the game at the same time, let's say it's Gafford and Anthony Davis, because we see Anthony Davis throughout the years not be able to deal with Joker by himself. But it looked like a recipe that Minnesota came up with last year to where it may take two big men on the floor at the same time to get them out of here because OKC looks good.

Memphis right now is actually tied for second place with Denver. But to me, Denver's another sleeper team. I think they got rid of some really good pieces that year. They won the championship. They let Caldwell Pope go last year. Brandon ended up leaving. Russell Westbrook's looking the best

that he's been in the last few years. I think Denver to me right now is the favorite because their core players, I'm talking about Michael Porter Jr., the Joker, and Murray are still there. And everybody else is kind of figuring it out. Outside of Memphis, Memphis has the same team. OKC has the same team,

but I think the experience goes to Denver. But I think that the Lakers will have problems in the front court dancing, your question, Mase. Yeah. Moving forward. And another thing, I don't want us to leave this take without acknowledging, Clay Thompson, is he back? No, he's not the Clay Thompson that we're familiar with in Golden State.

I haven't seen him since Golden State now. In this game, he had 20. Yeah, but it's a here and there 20. It wasn't a, it wasn't one, it was, to me, like I watched the game and I didn't know he had 20. You know what I'm saying? Like it was a just get it 20. It wasn't a loud 20.

And don't get me wrong, we can't frown on 20. So I'm not downplaying 20 at all, but I'm talking about the Klay Thompson that we're used to seeing. He was five from 10 from three. He's five from 10, I'm looking at it now. Five from 10 from three. He was eight from 17 from the field overall,

but this isn't looking like a splash rubber. This is looking like more fire hydrant clay. The sprinklers. Yeah, the sprinklers. Yeah, the sprinklers. Yeah, the sprinklers. Yeah, the sprinklers. Kiddie pool?

You going in kiddie pool, Paul? Yeah, yeah, the blow up joint. And Clay's my man, and I fuck with Clay. You know, we see each other, we're good. I have absolutely no problem with Clay Thompson at all. But we're used to standard with Clay Thompson. And what happens is, that's why I respected Kobe so much, because, and I'm not comparing Clay Thompson to Kobe,

but Kobe said years before he retired, I won't be one of them 16 averaging guys. When I'm average, and 16 is decent, but not for Kobe Bryant. He said, but I still average this 15, 16, 17. It's time for me. It's time to go. It's time to go.

So, not pushing Klay Thompson out the league, and that's the thing about shooters. We know Klay Thompson can fuck around and hit seven threes in one night, eight threes. Even last night, he hit seven threes in one night, eight threes. Even last night he hit five threes, but it didn't look like a difference making five threes. So Klay Thompson, to me, he's in a phase, not his career when I say this,

he's in a J.R. Smith phase. When I say that, J.R. Smith could catch fire, but he's off too. A lot. You putting him with JR Smith, Keller, that disrespect. No, I'm not saying the career, I'm talking about right now.

That's disrespectful, Keller. So what, you disrespect JR Smith? That's... He said, I'm not saying career-wise, I think he had a way better, I'm saying I think he had a way better career than JR Smith, and JR Smith's my man too, I'm just saying, play out's four champions

since been to six championships. Yeah, that's what I was saying. No, and don't get it fucked up, but what I'm saying, where he's at now, JR Smith a nigga could have seven eight threes in the game, but he's a nigga who could miss 11. And I think that's where he plays at. He might pass it to the other team too.

Yeah, I ain't wanna break that up. I ain't wanna bring JR up in the championship. Yeah, JR, you my man. I know you got niggas in Newark and all that. Yeah, I fuck with JR too. Okay, so there's still a couple points to make here. So you mentioned Lucas triple double. That was his first triple double in a Lakers jersey,

but then also to Mase's point. So in this game, only two Mavs players scored more than 10 points, which was Kyrie and Clay. PJ Washington was obviously on the floor. He scored zero points, but had 10 rebounds. So it's like, I don't want to sound like a hater. But what you gonna say? But is it, is Luka really doing that well against a team

that doesn't have all the players that they need? And then you got the players who aren't performing as they should. Is it really that good? And then to kind of add to the drama of it, he was doing well. He had a triple double. He did have 15 rebounds. What Stata is saying is, is he doing good because everybody's not there? And then the players that aren't performing.

That's what she's asking. Is it really that good? And then, like, to add to the drama, like, okay, Luca's staring down the bench, but, like, the bench wasn't the one that got you sent away. Like, you gotta look at Nico Harris. He's sitting right there watching the game. You looking at everybody else's person you should be looking at.

You should be looking at Nico. Exactly. Clapping in his face. So that's just my question to y'all. Like, is it really up to the hype? Did you like how Luca played? Like, yeah, we answered the question, but it's dead. I don't like Luca scoring less than LeBron,

but I cannot put this on LeBron because LeBron was 11 for 17. Luca was what, about six for 17 or something around that place. So when I look at it like this, you're getting the same amount of shots. So it's not on LeBron if he's missing his shots. Cause I know a lot of times when we give takes

that sometimes it seems like we're putting LeBron in the wrong pause position, but it's not his fault. You're getting the same amount of shots. You gotta make more shots. Yeah, yeah, absolutely right. They both took 17 shots. If L getting the same amount of shots, you gotta make more shots. Yeah, you're absolutely right. They both took 17 shots. If Luka didn't make the shots, he didn't make the shots. But the answer to that question,

it's like this, it's two things. First of all, I haven't said it in a couple seasons, the best ability is availability. If the players are not available, that's not Luka's fault. They said Luka was out of shape and not in shape and not ready to play. He got his ass to shape really quick as soon as he got to the Lakers.

So, and also to my point, when it comes to Luca is this, as much as Nico or, I don't know why I can't, I'm drawing a blank on my other nigga that's part of GM staff, whatever. As much as they say that, Michael Finley, as much as they say he's not in shape and he's drinking and et cetera, et cetera, he's been first team All-MBA for five years.

He's the Laney scoring champion. You know he's been like this, and you choose to get rid of him, which is fine, but when you say he's not playing against the level of competition, which is fine, but when you say that he's not playing against the level of competition, that's basically what you're saying. Yes. I would say to that, he just had 32 against Denver.

DeJoker was playing, Jamal Murray was playing, Michael Porter was playing. I don't know if Aaron Gordon was playing, but he played the Denver Nuggets. They won the championship two years before last. They took the Minnesota Timberwolves to seven games. I think that he's playing just fine, but more to get into the stats question is,

a lot of people, we don't have patience. I've seen Laker fans, and the second, when before he played against Denver, Luca's stinking it up. Luca ain't doing this, Luca ain't doing that. Then when he went against Denver, yeah, that's Luca, fire emojis, all this crazy shit. Yeah, that's the Luca we traded for. Yeah, and people want miracles overnight.

It's gonna take time for him to gain chemistry with a team. You're dealing with a team that's been together since training camp. Training camp's with a team that's been together since training camp. Training camp's in September. He's getting there the end of February. People want magic tonight.

It's gonna take time to build chemistry and he has to learn the plays and he has to get the groove of the offense. A lot of shit that he's learning is off the wing. Now, if you're a professional basketball player, that's part of your job. You know basketball. You know where to be at.

But look, we see this happen before where, and it's a little different, because I don't hold the Miami Heat the first year not winning the championship accountable, because they had to build chemistry. And I remember the scrutiny they was putting on them saying, oh, they didn't win, they didn't win. They went to the championship.

They just lost in the championship because they had Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh and LeBron. People want results right now. In the following year that they win, they absolutely won. But you have to get time to build chemistry. So to answer your questions that I think Luca's doing just fine, it's gonna take some time to also get back into 100% shape.

Him and LeBron are getting more chemistry, not just him and LeBron, him and the rest of the team. But I think he's doing great. But the more of a problem is, what's gonna happen when the Lakers have to deal with a dominant center moving forward? But Lakers have been the best team in the NBA since January 15th.

And that's a testament to the Lakers coming into the season because we went and think, to me anyway, I didn't think the Lakers would be where they're at right now. I have to give JJ Reddick his props. We thought it was a favor from LeBron, even if it was a favor from LeBron. Three quarters, two of the three quarters into the season, it's looking like it's working out.

Not seeing that their championship bound, but at the end of the day, I thought they're much further than I would have put them when the season, it's looking like it's working out. Not seeing that they're championship bound, but at the end of the day, I think they're much further than I would have put them when the season started in October. What's the guy name from the Celtics? Brad something that started off? The GM? Yeah. Brad Stevens.

Brad Stevens, yeah. Would you put him on Brad level? Like, you know how Brad came in from the beginning and it was like, he's this basketball wizard? Are you saying J.J. Ruddick? Yes. No. I think, you know, because he coached in college, too.

Okay. Brad Stevens coached in college, won a championship actually college. Actually, to me, Brad Stevens is very underrated because he won in college, then he actually came to the NBA. To me, he built that Boston Celtics team up as a coach. We know Danny Ainge was there at the GM,

but with a young Tatum, a young Jaylen Brown, he built the team up to where, E-May Udoka. E-May Udoka. I'm sorry, I saw E-May. It's all good. I'm an E-May. E-May got them right there on the cusp

and whatever he went through it, which we all know we ain't gonna keep bringing up. And he let the assistant coach come in and he took over. But more testament to Brad Stevens, and I know I'm getting a little bit off your question, is that he became a GM and won the championship. So I think Brad Stevens is very underrated as a coach and we ought to give him very underrated as a coach

and we ought to give Miss Pops is a GM now, but I know you have more to say about that. Oh yeah, I'm just asking cause it also looked like a Boston team. The Lakers looked like a Boston team when you got two white boys out there ballin'. It looked kind of funny because you normally watch two white boys ball out on a Celtics team as a throwback Celtics team,

but they're playing in Lakers' jerseys. It's very different. Yeah. So, to kind of give the Lakers credit, so they've won three straight games in 15 of their last 19 games, and we know that they've had an interesting year from new coaching to the trades to even finally beating Denver,

and to Cam's point, kind of talking about quick success and miracles overnight, does it seem like that is what the Lakers are having, and how far do you guys expect them to go in the West, just from what we've seen at this point? Yeah, and on that note, before we get there, Cam, if you gave somebody 30 to 40 millions, you keep talking about time,

how much time would you give them? 30 to 40 million a year? Yeah, how much time would you give them? 30 to 40 million a year? Yeah, how much time would you give them to start playing? Well, we gotta think about this, Murda, is that that's not a lot at this point. And it's sad to say, but you know. I know, but I'm saying Cam, if Cam gives somebody 30, 40 million,

how much time are you giving them? They don't have a lot of time. Yeah, that's what I was saying. They don't have a lot of time. Listening to your take, you gave him 30, 40 million, he showed up. And who you talking about exactly? Anybody.

Okay, yeah, I mean, listen, the way it goes is this, is that this is one of me and Sin's big arguments too, because Sin like giving this nigga 30 million, giving this nigga 40 million, giving this nigga 40 million. And I understand that. Like I said, if it's my money, cool, but what's going on is that they're looking at how players are getting paid and what's their market value

and et cetera, et cetera. If it's Cam, I'm not paying this, but what happens is you don't wanna lose a player to somebody else, cause they're gonna pay him that. But you saying you're giving somebody 30, 40, what if you're giving somebody 50, 55, 60, 65 to 70 million and they're not available? And they're considered a superstar.

Paul George, Joe LMB, more to that credit, and now you're 12th and 13th in the East. So, forget 30, 40, what about you giving a nigga 70 when their contract is up? That's gonna be real interesting. Yeah. That's gonna be super interesting. So your question about the Lakers.

Yeah, do you feel like the Lakers are having that overnight quick success, then how far do you expect them to go in the West? To your first question um, question, do I think they have an overnight success? Yes, and I don't like overnight success. Because any time people have overnight success, it's just the future don't end up well.

Just history shows that no matter what genre it is, no matter what sport it is, no matter what sport it is, no matter what life it is. It's just people that have overnight success don't tend to ever go far. So I'm thinking about that. So as they start doing this, it reminds me of, what's the guy named that had the ice cream? Pause from the Knicks.

The Asian guy guy Jeremy Lin Anytime somebody jump out as some like overnight sensation. It just never lasts I would name some rappers, but I don't I don't want to I don't want to have that kind of smoke tomorrow But you you know what I'm talking about You know about all these guys or a singer, some way they popped up. And then you're like, what happened to them? I don't want that to be. Like Carl Thomas?

Shhh, shh, shh, shh, shh. Yeah, give away, say somebody from Bad Boy. Did you work with him? Y'all had to fight, that's my favorite one. Emotional, yeah. No, no, no, that ain't my favorite. Who was that song? Been around the world, Remix, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, gorgeous. You know what's crazy, I think I told you this, but I remember Cuda told me, I coulda did that Remix. Yeah, Cuda was out singing. Cuda was like, you could be a footballer, Thomas, I coulda been this man. Yeah, he was mad.

And he was actually singing like he could sing the part. He sung it to me. It was in the house on 23rd. and he was actually singing like he could sing the part. He sung it to me before I was one size. It was in the house on 23rd. I'm like, Ben, I said, Koodle was pissed. I said, all right, Koodle. He was mad about it. I thought he was playing because he said that to me

in front of White Castle and he said, yo, listen to this, Maze. I was like, what? He's like, come downstairs. I want you to hear something. He stopped singing Ben around the world. He was saying it was just me and him. He sang it to me one day.

He was like, I could have did that. You wild hangin'. I remember that clear as day, cause it was just me and him. He was singing this shit. Like niggas hating. I thought he was playing. Me too, but I seen that he wasn't smiling.

He was mad about this shit. I was like, I remember that nigga was singing it to me and I was like, I'm still learning everybody. So I'm just going, sound good to me. But real quick before I answer your question, because I know our audience is very facetious and be like, when I say that Brad Stevens won a championship, I'm talking about Horizon League Championship.

He went to two Final Fours, which is sensational as well. But they like, he did not win no college championship. The school he was at, they shouldn't even be at the Final Four. Yeah, thank you for clearing that up. They couldn't wait to, yo, tell Cam, what is he talking about championships? Yeah, that's a fact. But, um, that question real quick? Yeah, does it seem like the Lakers

are having overnight success, and then how far do you expect them to go in the West? Um, overnight success, not since January 15th. Uh, it's a month. It's almost... We have about three more days until it's March. So if you're the best team for a month and a half, I don't think it's overnight success. People may look at it like that because Luke is there and it's looking new.

Um, cool. But I think the Lakers, they've been doing good all season. It isn't like they're just having this run in January. They actually been looking good all season and for them to be the best team, not just in the West and conference and the entire NBA. And we'd looking at Cleveland, we're looking at Boston, we're looking at OKC, we're looking at Denver, we're looking at Memphis, we're looking at Houston.

For them to be the best team for a month and a half, and it's almost March, I have to give them their credit. Now, it depends on who they have a matchup with in the first round, how far they go in the West. If you sit there and get a young team like OKC, it might go either way, even though Shay Gilders is looking incredible, how far they going to West. If you sit there and get a young team like OKC, it might go either way, even though Shay Gilders is looking incredible,

this could go either way. But if you're fuck around and running into Denver in the first round, it could be an early exit. So to me, that's a great question stat. I would like to reserve my answer for further on in the next week, in the weeks to come, where I could see where they could possibly be seated, but it's so close, not necessarily one,

but two through five. Then you got six through ten or eleven. Everybody's so close that this whole thing could flip-flop in the next few weeks, and where you could see the eighth seat being the fourth seat, you could see the ninth seat being the seventh seat. So I want to reserve my inside four, they could go.

I think it depends on the matchup they get in the first round. And to answer the latter part of your question, I think the Lakers are out in the second round. If they get past the second round, they could win it all. Just, it's gonna be either one. And I don't like where they stand right now, even though some people think is good.

Today, if this was the playoffs, they'll be playing Houston, which is loaded with a lot of young talent and loaded with, um, Amen Thompson that I think should be a candidate for Defensive Player of the Year. Him on LeBron, I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that because you is nothing better for a young guy who thinks he's

playing defense to go against LeBron. He, if he gets up for that challenge, he have all the tools to shut down one of the Laker perimeter, perimeter guards, whether it ended up being LeBron, perimeter wings, LeBron or Luca. He's got the limp paws, he's athletic and he plays with fire and that's something that's been missing from the NBA for a very long time. So right now if they was to play Houston I don't like that series because they got Jalen Green, he got, you know, he got his family gonna show up, he's playing with a chip on his shoulder,

and they got, what's the coach name? Yudoka? Yudoka. Yeah, he's looking to win. He's definitely not looking to be out first round. So they have all the ingredients to beat the Lakers. I'm not saying they would, but I'm saying I don't like that matchup.

I don't like that matchup at all. I think, for me personally, I think that's a great matchup for the Lakers because of the experience, because LeBron actually wants to win, because Luca actually wants to win. This is a team that Luca faced a lot being that they're both in Texas.

And I do agree with Mace when it comes to E-Made and the Young Guns on the team. But I think this is a situation where we seen Sacramento at a couple years ago. So to me, if that series was today, I would pick the Lakers purely off experience, purely off LeBron's side of everybody sitting there saying, 40-0 this, 40-0 that.

LeBron is out here dunking on niggas, 25 acting crazy. Luca has a point to prove. I think experience would be the factor in this series, if the series happened today. But to me, I wanna see where Houston goes as well, because speaking of overnight success, this looks like overnight success. Even though Umay wants to win,

we've seen this movie before with Sacramento. They just missed the playoff, and I'm talking about Houston at the point. They just missed the playoffs last year. They looked sensational at the beginning of the year. In second place most of the year, and right now they dropped for Todd for fourth and fifth place.

Are they slacking off? Are they losing focus? We don't know. Or just the teams are headed on playing that good. For the Lakers to be in fourth, like I said, I didn't have any... I didn't think that they would be in fourth at all anytime during this NBA season. But I would pick the Lakers if the series start today.

But I'm not mad at Macy's take anyway, because it's one of them situations where dude them young niggas want it. We know Umay wants it. You know he wants it more than all them niggas. But do the young players want it that bad to where they could dethrone the king and sit there and take the reigning scoring champion out

and say, we're gonna get them out of here. I don't know. I wouldn't pick Houston, but if they did win, I wouldn't be surprised. But... Yeah, that's basically what I was saying. I wouldn't pick Houston, but if they did win, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, that's basically what I was saying. I wouldn't be surprised, because they do have, they got Jeff Green and they got Van Fleet,

two players that have played on championship teams, know what it take, and they're in the wings, just being people that chip in on that team and provide what they need at the time they need it. So right behind those explosive wings, pause, they got the championship pedigree people that's behind them that'll either come off the bench or come in and make a bucket here.

And then they got Dylan Brooke, who just got traded from Memphis. That's why I say I don't like this. They got all of the pieces that they need to beat them. Not that they would. That's why I said I don't like this. They got all of the pieces that they need to beat them. Not that they would, that's why I said I don't like it. Yeah, real quick, but Jeff Green's not average in no minutes, Juvier Fleet, he's not really doing that. It's really them young guys who's out there busting ass,

but you're right when it comes to experience in the locker room, not just experience, championship experience, so that also definitely. That can tell you, yeah, do this, be in the room at this time, be downstairs at this time. All of that stuff plays into it. Yes. Yeah. Well, with all these pieces, specifically the young guys,

do the Rockets have the highest potential? We will discuss their win versus the Bucks after the break. Welcome back. So it's time to discuss the Rockets. They beat the Bucks 100 to 97. The Rockets are currently fifth in the West and we know last year they ended the 11th in the 11th seed. How do you like how the Rockets have been playing? And then I know because of what happened with Eme Udoka, a lot of his coaching has kind of gotten overshadowed,

but I think it's a good argument to say, do you think that he's one of the best coaches in the league right now, Mase? Yeah, but I gotta say a prayer for... How you say the man, Udoka? Eme, I-M-E. E-M-A Yudoka. E-M-A.

I mean, if he left Boston for the ladies, I don't know how he's doing it in Houston, for real, to tell the truth. You would just have to think, I just hope he's keeping his nose clean. Is that how they say it? But he's doing a great job coaching. But just think about it.

This fella's watching this, you know what I'm talking about. If he was doing that in Boston, how are you holding up in Houston, Killa? What do you think about that? You trying to say Houston girls are better than Boston girls? Is that what you said? I mean, Houston got the baddies. Yeah, I mean, they said one of the boxers

was fighting one of the singers over chicks in Houston at 50 Cent Event. Yeah, listen, man. How's that Houston? No, I like girls all over the world, but Houston is very tempting. It's a very tempting city. And then not only that, the nightlife in Houston is crazy, but he knows all the odds is on him.

Hopefully he's keeping his nose clean, but it's a very tempting place to be. It's a very tempting city. Yeah, that's what I said. We're praying for E-Mae, you know? I hope he continues to do well, win a championship there and defile the arts. The whole problem with E-Mae,

it wasn't about him smashing chicks. He's smashing chicks within the organization. Oh, oh, oh. That was more the problem. He was fraternizing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was an HR nightmare. That's what happened.

I never understood that. I never understood, not that I don't understand fraternizing, but I didn't understand why they brought him up and not the person, but you know, I'ma leave that alone. She's still working there. Yeah, they actually brought both of them out, but like he was the one that got sent. Why didn't you fire her?

Husband works there, too. Okay, let's skip over that. Stad, what's your question? Yeah, do you think that Imae Udoka is one of the best coaches in the league right now? How do you feel about the pockets? I think he's definitely one of the best coaches in the league. I will put him up there with, of course, Pop.

Of course, who else is doing an amazing job? Whoever's coaching Cleveland is doing an excellent job. Kenny Atkinson. Who? Kenny. Yes, he's doing an excellent job. And Boston, the coach of Boston, because after you win, normally a team get lax.

So for him to be able to, Missoula? Yeah. To be able to get them up to play every single night and time after time and stay on the course to win another championship, that takes a lot. That takes even more than a person to win it the first time. The win after the first time takes even more fortitude.

So I would put Missoula first, but E-May is somewhere in there in the top 10. Yeah, I agree with everything what May said, but he just committed blasts for me comparing this nigga to Pop. You way out of line, my nigga. You just real, as well. Comparing who to Pop? E-Main.

You said I put him up there with pop. That's wild disrespect. Not with pop. I mean, in the list with pop. It shouldn't even be, it should not, they should not even be in the same room, bro. Yeah, pop is like, pop is like, Tupac and Biggie.

Why would you put them in the... You don't put them in a group with other people. You did it. You just did it. You just put... I was just saying he's in a list. I don't put them up there, up there with Pop. Two things can be right at the same time, Cam.

What do you think, Stat? No. Right? Two things can be right at the same time. Those are two different apples to oranges. Yo, that is wild. That is wild disrespect. I was just seeing if you was gonna go with me.

No! You're no friend. I was just seeing if you was gonna go with me. No! You're no friend. I just. You're no friend, Steph. I'm a friend, but I have eyes and I have ears. What about, why she could be your friend because you bugging? I'm your friend and you bugging.

I'm your best friend and you bugging, nigga. You wildin'. You're triggered. You're triggered. No, that's not triggered. I let you know I'm triggered. That is just wildin'. If you put Eme Udoka,

I got his name right this time, in a conversation today. Say it again, Eme what? Eme Udoka in the same conversation with Greg Popovich on February 26th, 2025. Cam, I'm not putting him up there in greatness. I'm putting him up there on the list. He's on a list.

Somebody got to be on a list other than Pop. Pop is the best of all of them, but he's, you know, you just, we're just putting the other people that's in the tent. Pop is on a list with Bill Belichick. Yes. Pat Riley, Phil Jackson. What's my nigga just off Alabama stat?

Nick Saban. Pat Riley Jackson. What's my nigga just up Alabama stat? Nick Saban. E-May Udoka is in the fucking parking lot somewhere, bro. Who that his nigga is not? He's with Tom Thibodeau in them. Oh. E-May. So say Tom Thibodeau.

You don't know how you get through? No, I was saying, but he's having a good year, so I put him in that group, but he's not like permanently in that group. Tidal Towns on a movie. I'm with you. Tidal Towns on a movie. Tidal Towns is back on the movie.

Tidal Towns is back on the movie. Stand with me like this. Stand with me like this. You feel like Tidal Towns is going with this. You can listen, I take that back. You gotta keep moving to go for it. That's not what I meant. This is why when a nigga asks me to make some money,

I'm like, I'm not gonna make any money. I'm not gonna make any money. I'm not gonna make any money. I'm not gonna make any money. I'm not gonna make any money. I'm not gonna make any money. This is why when a nigga asked me if Mase was cool, and I said I didn't think so. This is how far it goes. They're gonna say, all right, no matter what's going on. Okay, I'm just gonna quit when he said the title town's on the move. So, okay, Mase, I get it.

He's on a list. He's on a list. He's on a list. He's on a list. He's on a list. He's on said the title tag was on the move. So, okay, man, so I get it, he's on a list. He's on a list. If you have to make a list,

you have to put him on a list with other people. He can't be on a list by himself. I said, I agree with every name you said outside of Popovich. Okay, so do we leave Pop off the list? Yeah. First of all, it depends on- Cause I'm cool with that, I'm not spinning right now.

No, see it's a different way to put it now, it's two different questions. Cause Pop is not on no list with that nigga, now we talking about who's doing it. Now first of all, Pop, furthermore- I'm glad you said that, cause that's how I feel when niggas put my name on list with niggas. I agree with you, listen. I'm not on that list. There you go. Yeah, I feel like you said that, because that's how I feel when niggas put my name on lists with niggas. I agree with you, listen.

I'm not on that list. There you go. So why you got a problem with it? I don't know why you got a problem with it. That's another spin. Yeah, you still spinning it. To me, it's some type of way. This is what I'm trying to say.

You'll keep going till, niggas say let me spin till they dizzy. Mike Irvin, I like it, man. If you can't convince them, confuse them. That's Mike Irvin, let us know that, man. Look at Stats, Stats don't know where we at. I'm, yeah. Stats knows where she's at, she's just like, whatever.

Let you do you. Now we're talking about listening, I know I don't have to answer the question, but to answer the question, but to answer the question, before I answer the question is this. If we're putting Eme Udoko on the list for best coaches this year, absolutely. Best coaches in the last couple years, absolutely.

Has Pop been a good coach the last couple years? I'll say he's been all right. He doesn't have the talent to be one of the best coaches, but he stayed around actually, my belief is to help Wendy learn the best coaches. But he stayed around, actually, my belief is to help Wendy learn the game. Is he having better coaching years than Ima Udoka? Absolutely not. But that's what I'm talking, what list of,

are we talking about the coaches for this year, last year? Are we talking about coaches, period? I don't even think he should be in the convo. But as Mase said, he doesn't believe he should be on certain list, even. You know, also said that my man Deon. Deon said, we gotta start getting rooms in this hall of fame now.

They just starting to let, they just starting to let him. He said, they gotta get a penthouse with me and some other niggas as that. Because every year it's becoming a mess. They just starting to put anybody in the motherfucking hall of fame. Deon starting to get offended. And I felt Deon on that, man,

because I seen a few players that came in and I'm like. Ooh. Yeah. It's wild, it's wild. But. And Dion's from Title Town? Yeah, I know. I know, Dion's definitely from Title Town.

But. That's what I mean when I say Title Town's on a move. They letting anybody in pause I don't know what email you don't guys do with title town But to get to the question staff seriously, it's all Exactly I know we're accident is email Eme Udoka a good coach? And the second part of the question is how far can Houston go?

Yeah, basically just how do you feel about how they've been playing compared last year to now? Well, I think they're playing great. I think they played great last year. It's about building chemistry, and that's what we was talking about with the Lakers earlier. This year they're building the chemistry.

I think the most determined people on the Rockets is Eme Udoka, even though he's a coach, but then you also have Dillon Brooks, who got shipped out of Memphis. He was like, okay, cool. So I think between Eme Udoka and Dillon Brooks, them niggas really, really, really have a point to prove. Now, what I'll say is this.

This is the real question, how far can Houston go? They're doing great now. They were doing better early in the year. But this is the thing with young niggas, and this is what I'm talking about. Mm-hmm. I mean, the real question, how far could Houston go? They're doing great now. They were doing better early in the year. But this is the thing with young niggas, and this is what I'm talking about. Mm-hmm. The younger the kids are, to me, my personal opinion,

the smaller their attention span is. And for 82 games to stay locked and focused, including the playoffs, and I'm not saying that they're not professional basketball players. They know that comes with the game. What I'm saying is this, you have to stay locked in all season. Do we see people go off and start doing podcasts and other things and things with their girlfriend, et cetera? Yes.

But the younger these guys get, and not just guys, I'm talking about humanity as a whole. Tension spurs get shorter and shorter. I was having a meeting with some people about some movie stuff that I'm doing, and they're saying, Ken, we're in the direction of starting to do 20 to 25 minute movies. Because young kids can't sit there for an hour,

20 minutes, hour and a half, two hours, to watch a whole movie. Because before the movie's over, they did a survey, you know, they do all these analytics when it's in Hollywood, and they say they go on their phone seven to 10 times during a movie. So you don't even have to tension span to watch an hour and a half movie

without going on your phone. And I think that that's translating to all these kids growing up. So back to the young thing that we're talking about when it comes to the Houston Rockets, they have to be locked in, and that's what we'll see. So I don't know how far did they go right now, because to me they were playing much better earlier and they're not playing bad now, but they were in the second seed for

a long time, dropped to the third, dropped to the fourth and they're there fifth. I think they're doing actually, compared to last year, this Houston rocket team is like night and day. I think they went to a new level, but I also think this is what he may was protecting when James Harden was trying to come over. He knew that they would have this progression and he was trying to protect it from bringing somebody on the team that he thought could send that progression in a different direction. And it kept the team pure, kept the team focused.

And now they have to make the next jump, which is what Cam is talking about. And that's winning in the playoffs and staying focused so you could win when it count. I got them in the first round, second round. They probably won't go any further than the second round. Maybe they win the first round, but if they start out against the Lakers,

that's still gonna be a goodie. Yeah, I think you can even give more credit to the other players on the roster, because even their center, he's 22, Alperin, he's been averaging a double-double. Obviously, we've seen Dillon Brooks, Jalen Green, even though everybody had the jokes we've seen, he has not let down, he's been playing phenomenal.

So, shout out to him. Andre, if he's good, they good. And even one of the twins, Amin Thompson, he's been balling and he's had a lot of... been playing with a lot of conviction. Like, even when they played the Heat, he got in a fight with Tyler Hero, he had a flagrant against Giannis.

When they played the Bucks, like, every player on that team has been doing their role as they should. The one name, I gotta say, I want you to finish. Yeah, no, they've been playing their role as they should and it's all meshed really well in a way that I think people kind of were overlooking because they were a young team. So kind of seeing it play out.

Yeah, it's easy to say that they're a sleeper team, but like they have, they definitely have what it takes to kind of take it play out. Yeah, it's easy to say that they're a sleeper team, but like they have, they definitely have what it takes to kind of take things all the way because all the players have that fire in them. So it's cool to see. Everybody talks about all the names that we said, to me the second best player on that team is, and I don't wanna pronounce his name wrong,

is Sengun. Sengun. I say Alperen, cause I don't... Sengun. Sengun. that's like, that nigga's nice. And he's the second best player, if not maybe the best player on the Rockets,

because he's not, a lot of people not paying attention. That is the best player, if not, second best player, if not the best player on the Houston Rockets. We all familiar with Jalen Green and the names that we all said, but Sagoon is actually their first

or second best player on that team. And he's gonna be a key element to see how far they go as well. And you know what? He's another international player. So maybe that's the key. You need an American, you need an international player to have a little mix and then it works out

because we've seen it work out for the best team, so. Well, actually, Stata, there was no international player on Boston last year. Well, besides Boston. Well, of course, besides. Boston, and that's why Boston is America's team. The key word is besides. Porzingis.

That's true. I like Porzingis. That's a good point. So, like, you know. It's a good one. It's a good little melody. The reason I thought about that, because I think poor Zingas, and that's a great name,

I think he's more of a third option. Because we know who's a first and second team, first and second option, depending on what day it is. Depending on the day. Facts. Okay, so real quick, gotta talk about the Pistons. So they're on a seven game winning streak for the first time since the 2014 to 2015 season,

after beating the Clippers 106-97. But before we even dive into the Pistons, let's talk about the Clippers. Mace, are you trusting this process? How are we feeling about the Clippers right now? What process? Exactly. There's no process.

James Hard told you. He was the process. He told you that. I'm not getting into that. I found out I think me and James Hard told you, he was the process. He told you that, I'm not getting into that. I found out, I think me and James Harden have the same birthday. You mad? No, that's good, that's good. It explains why he's so good at basketball.

We got the same birthday. Okay, Gav. As far as the Clippers are concerned, I'm actually gonna give them a lot of props. Todd Lueck, a lot of props. We've seen flashes of Houston, James Harden with this Clipper team. But with no real timetable, not just timetable,

game to game, week to week, day to day, hour to hour, month to month, no consistency with Kawhi Lennon. And I'm not saying this in a bad way because we know he's battling injury. We know he's battling personal stuff. We know he battled with thewhi Leonard. And I'm not saying this in a bad way because we know he's battling injury. We know he's battling personal stuff. We know he battled with the fire in LA, but you don't have a consistent Kawhi Leonard. And right now for Houston to be in the sixth seed,

they're not even in the playing situation, which they could end up being. I think this is sensational. Paul George gets up and skips terror. You don't have Kawhi Leonard. You could probably name two or three players on the Clippers outside of James Harden. And for them to be where they're at right now,

it's sensational. Let's think about this if you're the Houston Rock, pardon me, if you're the Los Angeles Clippers or just a basketball fan in general. Would you think that the Houston Rockets would be in the sixth seed and the Phoenix Suns being the 11th seed? Absolutely not.

Not me anyway. So I want to give the Clippers a little props. Ty Lou, James Harden, and then the rest of the staff over there for being where they at. For the Clippers to be in sixth and Phoenix to be in 11th, it's kind of wow. It's kind of really crazy. Yeah, I was just asking if you were trusting that process.

So in that game, James Harden had 18 points versus the Pistons. So I wanna ask you guys, the Clippers will play the Bulls tonight. Underdog has James Harden at 26 and a half points. Do you think he's gonna have higher or lower? Higher, higher. Yeah, we don't know what's going on with the Clippers

and we're gonna need, if not we, cause I'm not a Clippers fan, but you're gonna need James Harden to have 26 to actually win the game. Okay, and then like I said, they- Or a chance to win the game. Yeah, and then like I said, they will be playing the Bulls, so Underdog also has Lonzo Ball at 10 and a half points.

Do you have him higher or lower? I'm gonna go lower, he can't be trusted. Dang. What he did. Cam is against the Ball family if you're not LaMelo. I'm definitely not against the Ball, I love LeVar Ball. I love LeVar Ball, Paul is better than all them niggas. Also, you know, I talked to the Balls,

says I love LeVar Ball, I'm a very big fan of LeVar Ball. I'm a big fan of LeVar Ball. I'm a big fan of LaVar Ball. I'm a big fan of, uh, Richard Williams, which is Serena. And, um, her sister's father... Um, her sister's father. I'm a fan of people who sometimes get frowned upon and drive their kids to greatness. What about Joe Jackson?

Uh, I'm a fan of his, but I think that he went a little too far. As far as, look, we actually, the thing about the internet, and that's one thing that you told me at Sunset Murder, is how do you believe anything before the internet? But before the internet, how could you prove it? And that's a great point. So we actually got to see, I remember LaMelo Ball wasn't able to dunk.

That's how long we've been watching him on Instagram and Twitter and the sort of- When he was shooting like this. Yeah, and he couldn't actually, he used to run and try and dunk and it wasn't even close to where we actually seen, and I seen clips of LaVar Ball yelling at LaMelo saying, you ain't got what it takes throwing the ball at him,

building and instilling confidence, skill level, et cetera. Everybody thought that LaVar was crazy when he sent them over there to Australia to play at 16, took them out of school or whatever. But what he did say, well, cause I like, you know, they had their own little documentary. He was like, he ain't got it with him, but it takes time, et cetera. But what he did say, well, cause I like, you know, they had their own little documentary. He was like, he ain't got it with him,

but it takes time, et cetera. But what he said was, but he's going to be better than all of them. And he ended up to me, he's the best one out of all of the Ball brothers. So I want to give a lot of these fathers, even listening, we have to think about this. I know they had the ups and downs,

rights and left turns and everything else. But we gotta think about Floyd Mayweather's family, not just his father, his uncle as well. This is somebody who started him off boxing and it ended up leading to greatness. So a lot of times, and that was a great question, the reason I said Joe Jackson was we only see the movies and the stories.

Yeah, and what they say, they're wrong. Yeah, we don't get Joe's side of the story. Yeah, we wouldn't have the spin. Yeah, exactly. So- The spin wouldn't be perfect. Yeah, so whether Joe Jackson took it too far or not, we'll see what happens.

Now me personally, and just real quick before I get back to the actual question, I wouldn't wanna be Michael Jackson. There's a few stars that I would never wanna be. I wouldn't wanna be Michael Jackson, I wouldn't wanna be be. I wouldn't wanna be Michael Jackson, I wouldn't wanna be Prince, I wouldn't wanna be Eminem because it's no Mike Tyson, Mike Tyson, I seen that first half.

You know, I'm the celebrity, I can still go to the grocery store and don't have to worry about it. Or I could go outside, I don't have to call niggas with hippie. I like the bus moves dolo sometimes without having to call a team of niggas the bus moves. I seen Mike Jackson movie from his bodyguard's perspective.

They said for Mike to go walk down the Vegas script, they had to dress like motorcycle drivers and wear helmets and all that shit. Sometimes I wanna do regular shit. So I wouldn't, you know, thank God for the situation that I'm in now, I wouldn't change it for the world. But sometimes it's just, when you can't turn it off, it's like, yo, you can't turn it off.

But the original question stat? Yeah, basically, well, you were just doing your picks and talking about the best dads and stuff like that. What pick are we up to exactly? Yeah, Lonzo Ball, 10 and 1 1.5 points. You said you don't trust him. You don't trust him. That's what I was like. I don't trust him. Yeah, that's where I was at.

I don't trust him because the fact that he's not consistent playing. I think he's a great solid point guard. But I think he deserved to be the number two pick overall. No, I think Magic Johnson made a mistake with that when he went to the Lakers. I think he was doing that because he's from LA or Riverside County, and it was looking like it may be all right.

He turned out to me being a decent NBA player, but nothing over the top. But the answer is no, because we don't know where his consistency at. And underdogs being tricky as usual with the 10 points, because he's a, he could get you eight or he could get you 16. Tatum instead of... Tatum, D. Aaron Fox?

Yeah, that was a bad choice. Okay, so... I'm going higher. Higher? I'm going higher. So you trust him? Not that I trust him. I don't trust him.

It's that... I have another question, but I'ma let you finish. I think you watched too much internet for me to trust them just yet. Too much internet? Okay, so what is it for both of y'all, what does it take for y'all to trust somebody? Oh man, my list is long.

I'm sure it is. I'm sure. What does it take for y'all to trust a player? Oh, a player, I thought you said somebody. Oh yeah. That's a different discussion. But like in general, when you see a player, what, we're like, I trust this player.

Yeah, the first thing is the mindset. It's the makeup, it's the makeup of the mindset that causes you to know what you could trust. Sometimes you watch people through their actions and it tells you how they think, how a person perceives the game, tells you what they're gonna be in the game. So a lot of times when you're watching players,

they got talent, their skill set is up here, but their mindset is down here, and you kind of want to find people who got both. The number one word for me when it comes to stressing a player is one word, consistency. You cannot have 50 tonight and two the rest of the, for five games and then come back and have 12 and then go have nine, then have 37.

Cause you can sit there and say, he's capable of getting 50, but we don't know if he's going to get 50. He's capable of having 50, but we don't know if he's going to get 50. He's capable of having 25, 30 a night, but is he going to get... You know, it's one thing being capable of doing something. It's another thing if you're going to consistently do it. One player that I will say that I trust, and he's not a superstar,

I don't even think he was a star, but he could be trusted. This name made me a little bit old for you, it's not that old, but a person that you can trust, and I'm gonna use this name because he's not Kobe Bryant, he's not Michael Jordan, he's not Charles Barkley, he's not LeBron James, he's not James Harden, he's not Kevin Durant.

Is a person you can trust with Andre Miller. He was coming to do his job every night. You knew him. Same game every year. Same game for 20 years. He lasted 20 years in the NBA. It's 17 and nine. You knew you was gonna get 17.

The microwave. Yeah, yeah. Those are names that you can actually trust without having to be a mega superstar or even a star. You know what you're gonna get from Andre Miller and it spells consistency. 17, not. Matter of fact, Google his career stats.

I might be a little bit off, but you knew what you were getting and he lasted for 20 years to where you may get a nigga who scores 70 and then get 11. Give me Andre Miller because at least I know what I'm getting. 12.5 points, 3.7 rebounds, 6.5 assists. 12, 6? And 46% from the field.

Yeah, and that's probably towards the end of his career. He's probably 15 and 10, but you knew you was getting a solid point guard. Not the best point guard, not top five point guard, not top 15 point guard. A decent point guard. Kind of like... Mike Conley.

That's the name I was gonna say, exactly. Okay, well in the comments down below, let us know a player that you guys trust. But that's all the time that we have for today. Thanks for watching!