IT IS WHAT IT IS - MA$E AND CAM'RON REACT TO LEBRON JAMES' INTERVIEW WITH PAT MCAFEE!

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

Ma$e, Cam’ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one!! On this episode, the crew reacts to the "Lebronversation" as the streets are calling it between Pat McAfee and Lebron James where the King TELLS ALL! His beef with Stephen A Smith, Brian Windhorst might be cappin', playing in different generations and the bond he has with MJ and Kobe! Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Support the show and sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code CAM and get a 1000 BONUS CREDITS first deposit match, and a Special Pick'em pick. Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson , Producer Ayooo Nick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello y'all, uh I was selling crack on a private jet up in a hell and back But no confusion, this a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Yeah, Murda here, he countin' money He said, can't man the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga

Black fences and white vigas Now I'm out here and I'm lookin' for more chandeliers and light pictures Nah, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is, this episode is sponsored by Underdog. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states, including California, Texas, and Missouri, just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog app. Use code MACE, CAM, or STAT to get up to $1,000

in bonus credits with your first deposit and a free pick. I'm Treasurer Wilson, AKA STATbaby, along with your hosts Mace and Cam. Murda, what up, baby? Good, man. What's going on with you? Shit, I'm on my Sean Po shit today, man. That's why I wore the fitted, man.

Shout out to Po. Po was wearing them suit. Do you know, Sean? No. Shit, gonna be crazy tomorrow for this, too. Sean was wearing the fittest to court. I was watching the Sean documentary. Sean was wearing his fittest.

I like that documentary, man. It's a good documentary, man. Come on, man. What was his reason for wearing the hat? He didn't have a reason behind wearing the hat. He just went going to court every day. I mean, you can't wear your hat in court, but every day he was going to court for his case.

He was wearing a different fit. I thought, like, that's fashionable. Pretty fashionable, especially in that era. Where the name Poe come from? I knew he was shining. How he would come shine, Poe, man? God bless, how he gave him that name. How he gasped him up.

Hold on man, hold on, we gotta explain this real quick. Cause he was Sean, then all of a sudden he became Sean Poe. Yeah, he started hanging out with us and then. Wait, hold on, you gotta explain this correctly. You can't rush through this, hold on. Hud gave the name Sean Poe. On everything. What happened?

How did that happen? How did that happen? How did you say that? Because when he signed the bad boy, because remember, he was trying to come to entertainment, then he ended up going to Bad Boy, and the name was Sean. Then throughout time, a few months, maybe a year in,

he became Sean Poe. So now you're about to tell the people, how did he become Sean Poe? Well, the first time I heard him call Sean Poe was by Hud. Hud started calling him that. Hud started telling him, yo. So hold on, Murr, because we know what's going on since all these years.

Hud is like our brother. He passed away. We miss him very much. We love him's all he's doing. Hud is like our brother, he passed away. We miss him very much, we love him, but he was also in the group Harlem World that Mase had signed him to, and he's one of our friends. So for people that don't know Huddy, Huddy Combs, Huddy Six, et cetera, this is who he's talking about.

So he's saying that Hud. Yeah, Hud took him under. Just so people know who Hud is. Hud took him up to Harlem, he start hanging out with is. Hud took him up to Harlem. He start hanging out with Hud. Hud running him through the city. You know, Hud finessing him. Now that's another thing, audience.

Hud is top tier finesse. Top, no, I'm talking about, he might be top three, four finesses I ever seen in my life running, ever. But, go ahead. So, I remember Sean got in a little incident in Miami. He getting off the elevator, he got some Paul's blood on his shirt or whatever.

So, Huzz like, yo, Sean Poe, come on, we going upstairs. You, Sean Poe, just randomly? Oh, that's the first time you heard it. That's the first time I heard it. So, Huzz said, yo, you calling this nigga Poe? He said, yo, Mase, calm down, let me handle this. But he there on your ticket. He there with me.

I introduced him to Sean, and now him and Sean is like this. They going shopping, they all uptown. I said, yo, Hud, how you get the range? Poe let me drive it. Poe, Poe, Poe let me drive it. He threw the battery. Okay, you explain this how you understand it, but I'm trying to figure out why you think he threw the pole all the time? It was to get him to spend more. Oh yeah, yeah, spend more on him. Oh yeah, yeah. Spend more on him.

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he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, to be like, he wasn't trying to, I ain't gonna say that. Yeah, I know you're not starting to try, I get what you're saying. Before he was on the biggie trajectory. Got you. When he got with Hud, he started being poled. Yeah, it was a different image. The image changed. The image changed, yeah.

Got you. I don't wanna rush, and I know we all get to the show, but this reminds me of something else you told me about. So I don't think the audience is really understanding. How does like our nigga both, we just niggas finesse. First of all, how can't rap? When Mace was putting the Harlem Word together, he said, who could sell it? And we was like, how could sell it?

If somebody write the rap for him, he gonna go talk good. He could definitely sell it. So when he gets with Mace, now mind you, Mace is the number one rapper in the world at this time, so Mace doing songs with everybody. And Mace told me a story about how Hud curved Mace for Brian McKnight and some shit.

He started hanging out with Brian McKnight. I'm like, how the fuck did he get to Brian McKnight from Pope? How did that happen? And then we'll go for it, I know we gotta go but. I mean, Herb was sure with everybody, man. One time we was in, I think that was Atlanta, and then Herb was with AI. I'm like, yo, how did you meet AI?

Like AI, we'll be pulling up to the hotel, and then I tell Herb, stay in the car, yo, Herb, stay in the car, I go upstairs and then I come downstairs, Hud, Hud with AI, they bout to go shopping. Everybody he ended up with, he got him the spin catch. Yeah, yeah. That was hard.

You know, Hud was such a people person, he's one of the people who's hard to get mad at. Even when you mad at him, it's hard. Niggas say I took him shopping. Hud robbed me for about 6,000 one night. Now, I wasn't even mad. I sent a nigga to the bank for like 30,000. I said, yo, pick up 30,000.

I said, meet me in Miami. So I had them, I don't even remember how it happened. Might not have been a bank. I can't remember, whatever it is, I remember the number was 30,000, but I ain't been to my house. Most stories, pick 30,000. I said, meet me in Miami.

25, 30 minutes after I said this, I said, wait a minute, that is not the nigga to send. So go get the money. I go back, I got it Gil, you could call me Gil. I got the money Gil, I'll be down there tonight. I said, all right, I'm like this, tapping my fingers like, I know this ain't gonna go right. So he comes straight from the airport to the club

like his bag on him, we put the shit in the back of the club. So I don't wanna be crabbing in the club even though this is my money. So we chilling, I see her ordering bottles, you know, bottles in the club, six, seven, eight, hundred. Crystal, Moe Way. She smack a bitch on the ass with a hundred.

I said, I know, I know. This ain't my money he doing this with. We get to the crib. We get to the crib after the club. I'm like, yo, how'd I get that money? He said, Gil, come on now. You know I got to get it. I don't want my money. He go in a bag, grab the money, and throw it all in the air. Money just flying everywhere. I had a crib there. They just flying all over the house. 30,000 and like 50s and hundreds.

I'm like, now I got bitches, whatever, and all of us, me included, picking the money up, counting it. Shit like 24 six. You know what I'm saying? I said, hi. I said, hi said, I said, I said,

bro, it's not 30 in here, bro. I can see if you spent five, six hundred, yo bro, he said, give that money in there, man. You better start looking under the couch, buying that stove or something. I said, all right,

I ain't even, that nigga, then the more I wasn't even mad at the nigga, I put myself in that position for us. Wow, nigga, sorry, stack. No, all good, definitely gotta bring back Ask Mason, Ask Cam, so anything in the comments, let us know. Okay, so we have a very LeBron centered conversation today.

He had a tell-all, that's what I'll call it, interview with Pat McAfee, very well done job. He talked about tell-all, that's what I'll call it, interview with Pat McAfee. Very well done job. He talked about his come up, things that happened during his career in Miami, Bronnie James, his relationship with MJ and Kobe. And of course he talked about Stephen A. So I just kind of want to go over some of the hot takes that he had and get you guys' opinion on it. So first we're going to start with the different eras in basketball. LeBron claims that Giannis would be scoring 250 points in a game in the 70s, which is obviously an exaggeration.

But do you think Mace this era would thrive in that era of basketball? In the 70s? Yeah, of course they would. They got more ability. More things have been made available. In the 70s, I don't think they even had the three-point line, so of course they would be scoring more. And the skill set has progressed. There's certain things that they're doing now that we weren't doing, like the sidestep. The sidestep was a back... That would have been a travel.

Yeah, that would have been a travel. So there's things, there's a lot of, a lot of doors that have been open for newer things to happen to score more points, even not touching a shooter or hand checking or keeping your forearm in somebody's back paws while they're dribbling the ball. There's so many things that have been taken away

that has made the game progressively better for guys who can handle the ball and who are crafty. So definitely, I think they're more skilled, but I think they lack in toughness. I can't even say lack in toughness because I've never seen them in that era. I would have to see them in that era to see what they're like But the way they complain they wouldn't be able to do that in that time

So I would I would say this era is better skill-wise I Really hate when younger players say stuff like this because to be totally honest with you you You're not giving credit when you say statements like that. And of course, Braun, is nobody to even talk about his basketball IQ, what he brings to the game, everything else,

absolutely 100%, like I said. Every year for me, Michael Jordan's my number one player, LeBron's my second best player. Some people put Kobe there, I got LeBron there. But every year I sit there and say, LeBron makes it harder for us to keep Mike at number one with the shit he keeps doing year after year after year. So not questioning LeBron's IQ, his opinion,

anything like that. I just wanna say, before I say what I wanna say, I wanna make that clear. But I hate when players say, yo, we would have did this back then, and did that back then, and did this back there. When these are the players that let you, not let you, you watch to want to be like,

or not be like be better. So if they not trailblazing or trailblazers, how are you supposed to be better or want to do what they do or what they did? You don't get Kyrie Irving without Allen Iverson and Anne One. You get what I'm saying? Kyrie said his father used to tell him, you can't watch Anne One, I don't want you playing like that. And Kyrie said he used to used to tell him, you can't watch Air 1, I don't want you to play like that.

And Kyrie said he used to have to sneak and watch Air 1 to dribble the way he dribbles now. You get what I'm saying? You don't get this NBA that you have right now, I'm talking about today, presently as we speak on today's date, without Steph Curry and Klay Thompson doing what they were doing 10 years ago, or 12 years ago when it started.

You don't get teams shooting 63 pointers per game or a combined 63 pointers a game. You know I'm exaggerating when I say one team shoots 60, but it's not far-fetched. You don't get that without Steph Curry and them shooting lights out. So therefore, you wanna have like, we gotta shoot corner threes.

We gotta go on a fast break and stop and shoot threes because three is more than two. But you don't get that without watching something previously. So when you get a statement like, yo, Yanis would have 250 points. Yeah, he would. But the players before him, the Shaquille O'Neal, the Kobe Bryant, the Derrick Nowinski,

the Nowinski's, you don't get the motivation to want to be better or do something different if you don't see that. So of course Yonis would definitely have his way in the 70s, but you don't get a Yonis without them years of. Bill Russell. You don't get Yonis without Bill Russell.

You don't get Yonis without Magic Johnson. Bill Chamlin. Or Charles Barkley or Karl Malone and all these other forces of nature that were playing at the time. So yeah, but no. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's a really excellent point

because even when you're talking about Stephen Curry, you don't get Stephen Curry without Reggie Miller. Right. Because you could see the same blueprint from where people got their game from. Even if they polished their paws and made it something different, you could see his tenacity to hit a three

or to make sure I close out or running back to the three. His dad didn't do that. Del Curry didn't do that. That's all Reggie Miller. Like when you see him running back to the three or you see Ray Allen, all of these people were running after Reggie Miller and Reggie Miller was watching Bird. So as every generation took a piece and then did something different with it.

They couldn't have did this back in the day with Elijah Wong in the post and Ewing. Man, the ball was going into the centers back then. Even when you talk about the, I think the first seven foot I saw bring the ball down was Shaq. I was the first person I saw trying to do this at seven foot. And we would be like, what is he doing? But Sean Kim wasn't seven feet.

I'm saying that at a seven foot one, bringing the ball up, trying to throw it behind his back or anything like that. So, you know, every person that paved the way, it just doesn't make sense for people to be going against each other. Just be happy that you're the best of your time. I think that's the way to keep all the comparison out because people are very, very touchy about comparing them

when the comparison doesn't go their way. So the way to avoid that is just be happy to be the best in your time. Yeah, and my last thing, I don't know what May said, and we always talk about the rules ain't the same. A lot of niggas would be in trouble if you could not play zone. Like as much as I love Luka,

Luka in the 80s would be in trouble because you cannot play zone. So if everybody's on the right side of the court and whoever this generation, last generation, whoever's that, and generation, whoever generation. And you could just say, for instance, because I seen it happen the other day with LaMelo and Luca.

LaMelo started drooling, pause when he seen Luca on the, both went crazy just mixing Luca. So you got, when it's mandatory to play man to man, man to man, and you have everybody on the right side of the court, because you can't get help. And you got LaMelo being guarded by Luca, it's two points. He wouldn't, you would have to take Luca out of the game.

So he wouldn't even be the player he was today in another generation, because you have to take him out of the game, just like people who could make free throws down the clutch. Absolutely. You gotta keep them off the floor. Yeah, and I remember when we were young, you know, when you're playing amateurs,

you're allowed to play zone, but we used to play some tournament where they'd be like NBA rules, and you gotta play man to man. And that was just the way it is, man. So a lot of, as much as niggas say, like I said, I'm not saying, we just talking about Greek Freak,

because Greek Freak, he plays defense as well. But remember this, if we keep going back to the 70s, 80s, 90s, you have to play defense too. It's not just you can play offense, you have to play defense. Let's keep that in mind. Yeah, and with people punching your hand and your hand being part of the ball,

I can't go with that. I remember specifically our coach telling us at Manhattan Center, cause you would like, and that's another thing, these fouls they call them flavoring or that, these things was regular. We sat there, you can sit there and watch a clip for those who haven't seen it,

it's a very, very famous clip. When, when, uh, what was it, AC Green, somebody, Kevin McKeon. Kurt Rambis. Kurt Rambis, there you go. Kurt Rambis. And Kevin McKinnon and Paris, not even joking, they did. Dribbed them out the air.

They really did. Slammed them. The, the, the, the, the not, the not Hart. Yeah. Clothesline and shit from the Heart Foundation, the shit from Bret Hart. Yeah. They clothesline this nigga.

And nobody got kicked out the game. They got a little scribe, little technicals, and everybody's still playing. You can't do that no more. Yeah, the first four punches is within the game. Right, exactly. And so. This generation definitely wouldn't want that.

The first four punches is, the first four punches is, hey, hey, hey, hey, break it up, break it up. And then it's go back to just a tech on both sides, two free throws and let's play. Right. Larry Bird and Bill Lombard had a fight, and they did kick him out. Yeah, black iron and all of that.

We can sit there and talk about a million fights. Man, Robert Parrish punched a nigga dead. It was a lot of fights, but what I was gonna say previous to me bringing that up, I was just telling the audience that's younger, Google Kurt Rambis clothesline. I bet you just clothesline pop up, but it was a game against Celtics and the Lakers.

But what I was gonna say is this, when we play basketball and somebody would go to the basket, our coach would say, yo, listen, if the nigger come to the basket, all y'all foul them. They can only call the foul on one of y'all. All y'all niggas hit that nigger for us. And we like, that is true. They're gonna foul on five, two, three, four niggas. And that's what we did. on five, five on five, two, three, four niggas. And that's what we did. Okay. So he also spoke on his relationship

with Michael Jordan and Kobe. He said him and Kobe never had a real relationship until they played in the Olympics together. Then they were like family once he retired and he became a Laker. As far as MJ, he said they don't really talk, but he thinks that's because he is still playing and hopes they talk more when he is done.

And he said that probably won't happen until he's done and he doesn't have to look at him running up and down wearing the number 23 jersey. And every time LeBron's name is mentioned, it's mentioned with his. So Mase, is it surprising to you that they don't talk or did you kind of expect this given also MJ's competitive nature?

You see how you worded that question? Or is it because of MJ's competitive nature? Why can't just be they don't talk because he's playing and both of them are busy. It could be that too. But it's not the way you asked it. But also, I'll add this, he said even if you don't know him personally, he's one of the most ruthless competitors around. So that was just a question to be asked. LeBron's words. That's all. Yeah, I think Jordan would be a great person for LeBron to speak to, as well as LeBron could be a great conversation for Jordan. So I think they both can glean from the conversation.

It's always great when two people that are competitive at something, as long as they could separate the differences, can speak to one another because he probably could teach him something in business. One person probably could teach him something in marriage. I think just both of them have a lot of equity to share within the conversation. And it's always great when you're operating at a high level to be talking to people

that are high level people, because the conversation is different. I don't think Mike fucked with too many people, period. Whether it's LeBron or anybody else. Patrick Ewing and Charles Oakley maybe and some other niggas that gamble. Mike, you don't see Mike fraternizing with a lot of people whatsoever.

If you ever, like I said, watched The Last Dance as well, we can see the competitive person Michael Jordan is. He didn't let his security leave in a game of flipping quarters until he won. He's just like that. I don't think there's much to read into that. I think this is the way Mike is. I think this is the way Mike always was.

And there's nothing new. Sometimes one of those situations where you don't, you know when things like you can't teach a whole dog new tricks, Mike don't even wanna learn the new tricks. And the second thing is this, that Mike don't really fuck with nobody. If you watched the last dance, who did he fuck with?

He dissed his own teammates. He was dissing his teammates. It's crazy. So the point being is, it's not much to look into here. And you're not one of them people murder might be like, yo, y'all could build and y'all probably could do some things. Bra got a billion, Mike got a few billion. I'm cool.

Yeah, Mike, and both of them are probably like, it's too late to have close friends like that. It's like whoever you've acquired along the way, that's kind of who you have. Like, sometimes I think it's like that. It's like whoever you've acquired along the way, that's kind of who you have. Like sometimes I think it's like that. And as you get older, people are just different types of people. Like Mike is probably like a self-sufficient person.

Like everything is right there. And LeBron is more like a person. He wants to be surrounded with people that help him do the things that he's doing. So then those two don't actually go together. It's almost like putting Tupac with DJ Khaled. They wouldn't be together because they're just two different entities that don't flow together.

And I think it doesn't make neither one of them wrong. It's just, they're just totally different. Yeah, and like I said, I don't even think it's a LeBron thing. If you look at MJ, and it was a great story that he told, and I'll let y'all guys Google it, but if you look at the story that he said

it's Kobe's ceremony, he almost was like, fuck is it's Kobe doing calling me at eight in the morning, asking questions about basketball. But it was like, he said he grew to love Kobe. You know what I'm saying? But Kobe was interested. Kobe wanted to talk to Mike. Kobe wanted to find out knowledge.

Kobe wanted to see what he was doing to be great. And Mike Attitude was like, yo, I was playing baseball at that time. I can't even give you no basis on basketball. But it was very funny to see his personality no matter who it was. So I won't look too much into this. Okay.

With that conversation, cause I know a lot of times people say Mike is competitive. Like, did we ever find out why, and we may have covered this, but why wasn't LeBron there for the statue revealing or why wasn't LeBron there at the front of the room? These are things that I think people need to start looking into so they can have a more well-rounded approach of what they're talking about.

Not to kick no dirt on LeBron, just he may be just as competitive. He's just not as vocal about his competitiveness. And then another conversation, because he had a lot of points. So there's just a lot to talk about. So I think a big thing was always LeBron's relationship with Brian Winhorse, who is a sports writer for ESPN, who we know has covered LeBron from when he was a kid up until now and broke a lot of his major stories.

So I don't know what impression you guys were under, but I was under the impression that they had a pretty good relationship. So when speaking on Wendy, LeBron actually said, this guy who says he's my fucking best friend, these guys are just weird. So does this response? What does he mean by that?

That's what he said. He's basically like, there's this guy, you know? He basically was saying like, they ain't cool like that. Well, he made a career off of people thinking that they were. So this is a definitely a real brain, whatever you call it, because we thought that was your man, right? We thought anything came from Brian is LeBron approved. We thought this was approved.

So that goes to show you can't assume. And it goes to show that you could actually, and I know people ain't gonna like this, but you can make a career of just attaching your name to somebody else's. And I think that's what LeBron was saying right here with Bryant and what he was trying to get at with Stephen A when he was saying the thing that he was saying is just like, if somebody put their name with yours, no matter what they say, you're going to have to answer it.

And as you keep going, every time they go and interview, they're going to be on your level. That's the first thing they taught me in media training. If you put your name with somebody else's, you can grow to their level just by keeping your name in the same conversation. So I say that most athletes and entertainers need to have some media training. This is a shocker. That was bigger than the Michael Jordan shit.

Personally, you asked me pause. Yo bro. It's 20 years later, right? 20 something. No, cause see, I got a couple of perspectives on this, right? First and foremost, it goes like this, because he covered LeBron. There's two perspectives.

I'll give the first perspective. You covered LeBron in high school. So he was there covering LeBron the whole high school because he worked for the paper. Whatever the fuck he had going on, he's the biggest, supposedly, what's going on in the Akron area covering LeBron. Yeah.

So LeBron get ready to go to the MBA and everybody had all these expectations of LeBron and ESPN gives him a job just because he's covering LeBron. And LeBron probably knew this too. And LeBron is like, okay cool, I'll shoot you some info, shoot you some info, cool, cool, cool. Over the years. But over the years possibly, and this is just, both these are both scenarios,

two scenarios. Over the years I'll shoot you some info, and tell you hello, and tell you whatever, whatever. I'm thinking like murder set though, I'm thinking he giving them all the info. And maybe that may have been true until it became a priority to who your loyalty is. Is your loyalty is.

Is your loyalty to LeBron James or your loyalty to ESPN? So we know you cover LeBron, we got you covering him. First 12, 13, 14, 15, no, he's 22 years in. But then it starts saying, okay, the LeBron game ain't gonna last however much so longer. Maybe they peeped at eight years ago, so Wendy might have been more loyal to ESPN. Possibly, I don't know. That's what, to me, Seth.

That's when it could have gotten weird. That's how I'm taking it. Because the second scenario is even crazy if you're just following a nigga around and then the nigga never been speaking to you like that for 22 years, that's the worst. I hope the first scenario is realistic on what I told you. But, because for a nigga to follow a nigga

around 22 years, murder right. You just gonna follow me and make a living off me, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. This got to be crazy. That's some wild shit. Cause if I'm LeBron, I would have made that clear a while ago. Yeah.

Yeah, bro. I don't know this nigga. Yeah, and this lets you know how much people don't be knowing what they're talking about. Cause if he got away with this for 20 years, regardless of what we're assuming here, LeBron is saying this himself. So either LeBron is the biggest liar

or Brian is the biggest weirdo. It's one or the other. So y'all let us know, because somebody is on the record right here. Which one of y'all think for the people watching, do you think LeBron is the biggest liar or you think Brian is the biggest weirdo? Let us know.

And see, from what's that is reading, cause I've watched probably 20 minutes of LeBron's interview and I had some other things to do. I got it recorded, I watched the rest when I get home after the show. But the thing about it is, LeBron still leaves you cliffhanging. He says, fucking God, people think he's my fucking

best friend, okay, is he? Is he not? Could you be a little more specific so we can get some intel? If that's all he said, I know you're picking a quote, but I would like to hear more detail, because if that was me doing the interview, you know you don't want to push Braun

because he's already there, but I'm like, could you elaborate a little more? And maybe he did, I'm just going off the court, I didn't see that part of the interview. But if you just say that, people think he's my fucking best friend, this fucking guy. And Starr, you saw the interview? Yeah, I watched the whole thing, my eyes actually hurt,

because it was like four and a half hours worth of LeBron watching his portion and Stephen A's portion. So I do have more of the quotes as well, but that is the standard line. He's basically saying that he's weird, so I can elaborate more on things that he said were falling out. Yes, because when you asked me the question,

if you don't give me all the details, then you're putting me out there. You basically, I would not put you in a position, like you basically got most of the details cause he said, yeah, basically these guys are weird. He said, basically when Wendy was talking about the reasoning for him wearing the number 23 jersey because of Michael Jordan, he said, okay, that's a fact.

But then he said, when Wendy said he signed with Nike because of MJ, LeBron said, it's like, no, the fuck I didn't. I signed with Nike because I got a hell of a signing bonus and they gave me a seven year, $90 million contract. And I moved my model to the hood the day after I sign the contract. Ultimately, my whole thing is like, what do I want to wear at the court?

I want to wear fucking Nikes. And he kind of left it at that. So yes, there is to can explain, there is still a lot of mixing missing. So Brian's Brian Lott right there. I mean, it's not, it's not, it's not that hard to figure out. I really hate journalism because people can't tell the truth. It's so annoying. It's like people got the mic to tell the truth, but they tell what they want to tell. I hate it.

I don't think it's necessarily that he's not telling the truth. We also don't know who his sources are because none of this would have been known if LeBron didn't say anything. For all we know, LeBron's closest man could be telling Wendy one thing and Wendy's going and reporting it, which is his job as a journalist. The whole time that's not being cross-confirmed with LeBron. So it's like in this situation, I don't even know what's true until Brian Windhorst comes out and says his perspective, because right now, even just off of this narrative, we're going based off of what LeBron said.

So it's really putting the situation to the beginning. So is this a point where two things are true? That he signed with Nike to move his mother out the hood and everything he stated as LeBron. And it's true that he wanted to be like Mike, all in the same thing. Because if not, somebody is lying. That's what I said.

I think Brian Winnhorst is lying. After you read that quote, my opinion, because the thing about it is this, LeBron is very conservative. For somebody in his quote unquote circle to tell Brian Wienhorst that, they'd be kicked out the whip if that wasn't true. I know some people close to LeBron

and I know shit I can say and I know shit I'm not allowed to say. Because what you gotta do when you got friends and you're friends before they were doing what they were doing as far as being in the sports world and they were cool with you before me and Murda started doing this, you have to get on the phone and it's not even personal.

As a friend, you're off the record, nigga, fuck is up. You gotta say that as a friend because everybody's growing and doing different things and you don't wanna get misconstrued with people just having a conversation and people telling you, I'm not talking about Lebron, I'm talking about other athletes as well. You have to be, if you got relationships, you have to say what can I say and what can't I say?

Like I can't even talk about somebody who recently told me, leave my name camera, you said my name a few times on the show, I just wanna be quiet and get this money. And that's- Yeah, I respect that. Absolutely, 100%. So when Stat says, what if somebody LeBron, we know LeBron James, four man camp, three, four man camp,

he is not telling nobody nothing. Look, we didn't get this information. LeBron been signing with like 22 years. This shit coming out 22 years later. That's how much LeBron talks about certain shit. So I don't take what he's saying as that's his side story. I'm taking this, that's the only side of the story. And if Brian Winher's coming back with some other shit,

LeBron might air you out. I would just sweep it under the rug and say maybe I got it wrong. Yeah, to me this whole concept is crazy because I think it does make a lot of people in these situations lose credibility, but also on the athlete side, it's like they've been getting talked about

their entire lives, so I know to be able to go up on that stand and kind of say how he feels, even though it was an hour segment, probably felt nice just to clear the air, just one and done, even though there's still a lot that we need to still hear from LeBron, to just say those things,

because it kind of puts media in a frenzy because they're sitting here like, oh shoot, like I've been saying this, I've been saying that, I've been reporting on this. And then LeBron comes out and says, that's not true. Like, can you imagine if athletes had the time to really come back and dispute what people have been saying about them? It'd be crazy.

They do. They call it podcasting. Now, that also wasn't really a thing. It's kind of like things were said, and then you would just go about your day. Now, and, you know, we hear a lot more voices, but specifically to LeBron's point, because even his podcast, his podcast isn't about what people are saying about him.

It's about dissecting the game and then like, you know, the intricate parts about it. So it's like, I'm happy he did this. Hopefully he does more of these conversations because I think there's a lot of unanswered questions that we want answers to. But yeah, it was a great interview by Pat McPhee. Yeah, but to add on to that,

and to be fair to LeBron, well LeBron signed with Nike, he wasn't no ex. It wasn't no Twitter, it wasn't no Instagram, it wasn't no podcast. So you gotta wait till you get a chance to be with media at the same time trying to live up to all the expectations of a kid coming out of high school that's supposed to be the next nigga,

and he passed all expectations, but we gotta realize, there wasn't no motherfucking Twitter in 2002, three when he gets to the NBA, but I'm talking about LeBron been a star, legitimate star since 99, 2000 in high school. So, which is outlet, like now, you can just go straight to X.

Yo, Skip Bill that says KD ain't as good as you're good to. KD, you right, yeah, we both wash, and they get immediate reaction. That was great. Cool, you know what I'm saying? You didn't have these tools when LeBron first came into the NBA, or high school. Thanks.

Okay, LeBron says Stephen A's on a Taylor Swift tour run and y'all know Stephen A had a response. We'll discuss after the break. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. So tonight the Hawks will play the Heat. Underdog has Trey Young at 39 and a half points, rebounds and assists. Do you have him higher or lower Mace? I'm actually going to go higher. This ice Trey the gang, man. Okay. Cam. Lower Trey. Trey having a quiet year, man.

It's really not the years that he's been having previously. You know, and I love Trey. I'm a Trey fan, but I have to go Loa. Like he got into the All-Star game off the pity. I don't like it. We'll see what happens. Did he party got him on the All-Star team? He didn't make the All-Star team.

He got in the All-Star game because Yannis got hurt. It's the only reason. Not saying he didn't deserve it but. Nice Trey, you heard that go crazy. Oh gee, three niggas from, you know, niggas like niggas who win, three niggas from, the Cavs win, two niggas from the Knicks. Lynn ain't doing good.

Yeah. Dyson Daniels is at five and a half rebounds. Do you have him higher or lower? Cam. Higher. Yeah, higher. And Bam is at nine and a half rebounds. Do you have him higher or lower?

Mace. Higher. You know why that's a good one, Underdog, is because Bam been out here on the perimeter a lot. I don't know if you've seen the game where they played the Warriors the other day. Yo, Ben went coast to coast on Draymond. Yo, nigga gave the ball bounce to Ben

and nobody was there. The nigga mixed all the way up the court and dunked his shit on Draymond. Because obviously you would usually be like, hell yeah, you're gonna get more than nine out rebounds. But you know, he probably out there shooting with wifey. She got him out there saying you need to work on your outside shot a little bit, and he's been playing a lot

of perimeter ball. I'm still gonna say higher. He shot more than nine and a half. Okay, make sure y'all download the Underdog app and you can make your picks too. So also in the interview, LeBron briefly spoke on his argument that happened courtside with Stephen A Smith and basically said Stephen A Smith is on a Taylor Swift tour run and that he missed the point of the confrontation.

LeBron said Stephen A made things personal and he had to protect not only his household but also the players. So of course Stephen A went on like an hour response video, very frustrated. He spoke on it saying, I would have got my ass kicked because if that man would have put his hands on me, I would have immediately swung on him. That's kind of the clip going viral right now because it's like, OK, can Stephen A fight LeBron? That's up to you guys's imagination to see.

And then he said, in this particular instance, as it pertains to his son, he is a liar. And he went on national television and he lied again. So the whole clip, he's calling LeBron a liar. He's basically saying, you know, instead he wanted to go on Pat McAfee's show. He reached out to go on LeBron's show, didn't hear a response, a whole bunch of things.

Mace, what is your take on Stephen A's point of view? Man, Tim, you go first for us. So I didn't see this. I didn't see Stephen A's response yet, but I wasn't gonna talk about that. It was supposed to be a clip instead. Maybe you can bring me up to speed. Would Stephen A say he might have been wrong

for what he did a day or two ago? I don't know if it's clickbait or anything like that. It was pertaining to Brawny James, and then just his gameplay. He was saying he might have been wrong on Brawny because he had been doing good in the G League, and then that one game that he had in person, he did pretty well.

Oh, I thought he might have been wrong on the way he. Handled it. Yeah, so that's why I wanted to ask that first and foremost. Cause it's a lot of players, look, I even said it myself, and I'm cool with both these guys. I said it myself, once a nigga question him as a father, it was gonna be a problem, I knew that. I didn't know this fact, nobody told me this,

but I'm saying, bro, this is a problem. You telling a nigga how to parent, right, wrong, and different, or what you think about it, you can't question LeBron James parenting skills. We discussed what people would do for their kids and if it's up to the child to perform, whether it's in the office, whether it's in a gas station, whether it's in the Eiffel Tower, whatever.

If you get your child a job somewhere, they still have to live up to the expectations of the job you got them. So when he started questioning them as a parent, I said to someone, I was like, I knew this was gonna go bad, not to the point where I thought they would have a face-to-face conversation bad,

and LeBron's on the Pat McAfee show, and then Stephen A's response, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But we gotta think about this too. You do a great job parent, and just putting yourself in LeB, et cetera, et cetera. But we gotta think about this too. You do a great job parenting. Just putting yourself in LeBron James shoes for a second. Do a great job parenting. Bring your kids up to the best you can be. They're in the public eye because you're in the public eye,

et cetera, et cetera. And then you're watching your child not breathe one day because he has cardiac arrest in the middle of a game. Now you're sitting there seeing your child not breathe. Work his way back to say, okay, cool. He didn't have a good year in college. We gonna see, try and see you get an MBA. Gets an MBA, he's not doing that well.

But then you say, as a father, I'm begging you to stop this. I do from here, wasn't about basketball. And I heard Dwayne Wade and Carmelo Anthony actually speak on this and Dwayne Wade said, I'm stepping to Stephen A. He said, I text Stephen A and told him that, like, bro, if you say that about my son or child,

when I see you, I'm gonna step to you too. Carmelo said, LeBron kinda did this for all of us. This is what we've been wanting to do for hour long, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So that's that part of it. But now bringing things back up to speed, you could tell by LeBron, I seen that part of the interview, LeBron exact words were said,

he's gonna be so happy I'm talking about him. He's on Taylor Swift tour. When he sees this, he gonna be home in his tighty-whities. Saying, ooh, look at him talking about me. This is like verbiage, verbatim. His tighty-whities. Look at LeBron talking about me. And there was a lot in that interview,

and I'm not gonna sit there and believe that it was technical difficulties, but a lot of shit was muted out. When you watch that Pat McAfee and LeBron interview, it's getting muted like every three, four minutes or for about 20, 30 seconds. So to me, a lot of things were left out that they didn't want to be put out.

I thought it was just my TV, but then I'm watching some clips on Instagram has muted out on other people's televisions as well. But as far as what Stephen A said, Stephen A's my bro. You know, that's the best thing Stephen A said. I might have got my ass kicked, but I won't full back or whatever.

But LeBron 6'8", 265 pounds, 270 pounds, in wild good shape, super duper good shape. I'm just happy that it didn't come to that. You know what I'm saying? I'm happy that we didn't have another Will Smith, Chris Rock situation. You know what I'm saying? Cause to be honest with you, no disrespect to Stephen Will Smith, Chris Rock situation, you know what I'm saying? Cause to be honest with you,

no disrespect to Stephen A. Smith, and I'm not saying he can't fight anything else like that, but you really don't have no wins in that situation right there. No weapons, no nothing. Six, eight freight train. I respect his response as a man, and as what he felt like.

But it just, I'm happy nothing physical happened. But I guess, you know, what can I say, Murda? I don't know what to say. Just happy that that didn't get to that. Yeah, I'm glad I heard your point Yeah, I'm glad I heard your point because I definitely can understand both sides of what was being stated. I think when it comes to this particular occupation called journalism and being an analyst, I think people have to start being true to the craft of it.

And that's where you study, you get the information and you just convey the information, all of the personal things you leave out of it. When it becomes personal is no longer journalism is no longer being an analyst. You're now being an antagonist and that's not an analyst, you know, when so I think when I'm looking at Stephen A, I think he's wrong to an aspect. And when I look at LeBron, I think he's wrong to aspect because realistically, I was always taught to never walk before anybody and act like you want to fight. You know what I'm saying?

If you don't necessarily want to fight, if you want to fight, then when you walk up, you throw a punch. But the walk up hostile only can put you in a bad situation. I think for a person of LeBron's character and LeBron's status, this was a bad idea because if it goes left, it only goes wrong for him. If it turns into a scuffle, whether you now get sued, the Lakers get sued, this will be all in Stephen A's benefit if it even goes a little less. So really to go up to somebody and get mad at them about how your son is playing or what they said about you.

Realistically, I think we throw away that right when we become public figures. A lot of times I don't like what people say of me, but as a public figure that comes with it. You know, if you don't want your son to be criticized, then you don't go through all of this to put them in the league. Cause I heard killer say some about he just watched his son not breathing. So if you watch him not breathing,

why put them in the sport? That's another view and vantage point that you have to look at. You don't have to put him in this, it's not like he needs money. The family is well off, give him a job as an agent. But if you put him in basketball, then you gotta hold him to the standards of what's necessary to play the sport

that we love called basketball. And I think that's the best take I could possibly give. Did you see the interview, that portion of the interview? Just so you have some more knowledge. Steven, they, I mean pardon me, LeBron say he don't give a fuck about niggas criticizing his son. He basically was like, once he's in the game, nigga, you gotta criticize.

He said that, that's what I'm saying, there's bits and pieces, I want you to make sure you know everything. Yeah, so when he said it became personal, right? So what part of it is personal? Right. What part of the? I watched the part, I just seen the clip. No, I'm asking Stac, because she saw it.

What part is personal? That's kind of what Stephen A is saying. Stephen A is saying he wasn't making it personal, he was just reporting on the game as he would for anybody else. No, that's what I'm saying. So what have anybody said about Bron that, I mean Bronny that was personal?

All people's talking about is the low field goal percentage and if there's something. When he questioned his fatherhood. Yeah, like you said, he told him as a father. When he questioned his fatherhood, that's where it went. What did he question? He said he need to stop. He said it was What did he question? He said he need to stop. He said it was something pertaining to Bron.

He said you need to stop. He said basically Bronnie had a bad game. This is a part of it. So I get what you're saying. He should have never put him there as a dad. That's what he's saying. No, no, no. That's why I want you to be clear on everything.

He basically said as a father, stop this. And this is, I don't even mean to laugh, but Stephen H. said, stop this nonsense. Because Bronnie didn't play good one night, so the next night he said, he don't need to be there. I'm asking you as a father, stop doing this, man. As a father, stop this nonsense, man. What is he actually saying, take him out of the NBA?

That's what Stephen H. said, but he was saying not from a place. As a father. As a father. Because you made this happen. So I'm not disagreeing with you, I just want you to make sure. No, that's actually, that's why I said they're both actually wrong because that's the part that becomes clout.

Like he's saying these things with an animated voice because he know it's gonna make, he know it's gonna trigger LeBron. LeBron is right now being triggered by that actual statement, and that's exactly what happened. You got him in the middle of the game to come walk over to you and talk to you. So that means that statement was triggering. So if you're an analyst and you're a person that does it at such a high level that he

does, that's just not the thing you do for the click. Yeah. And to that point- Because you don't have to. You don't have to. Like I hear people who do things and you're already who you are. You don't have to do that.

And that's something you have to choose to do. Just like I got notes right here. I know what I could say that could get the world going crazy. You know what you could say, Killer, to make the world go crazy. So when Steven A gets in front of a camera and says that, he's well aware of what he's doing. I can't hold him innocent in that as well.

So that's why I said they're both wrong. Yeah, and then also to Steven A's point, he's saying they talk about LeBron a lot because of the metrics, that's what's popular, which of course, because he's one of the most talked about, if not the most talked about player, but I do think it does become murky waters because I just feel like when you say certain things,

of course, when you say something, everybody has a right to respond. But even in Stephen A's response by saying, if he hit me, I would have swung, like, for a lot of people that's fighting words. Like, you ain't have to say you would have swung on me if that didn't happen. So you hypothetically saying like, if he would have swung, I would have hit him. And LeBron didn't say he was going to swing on him. Exactly.

That's the part that I'm talking about is for the clicks. And that's the thing that Carmelo is probably speaking up and Wade, we're speaking of that when people are doing things and they're playing with your life and your legacy just to make people laugh or just to get clicks and people may feel like that's what we do, but that's certainly not what we do. So that's why in certain things, I find myself, Paul's pulling back from things. And that's when Killer came in and he was like, are we changing around here? We watering it down? Because we want to make sure, I want to make sure that I'm being honest to what I really believe and not I'm saying something just

to make you get, you know, get hype about it. It got to be what I really believe. Kiana McAvoy But I also feel like y'all are in a completely different situation because I don't feel like when you guys say things, one, there's ill will, there's no bad intent, and I think you guys have a lot more of a luxury to say how you feel, which again, makes the show so authentic because somebody like, yes, we know that Stephen A is the head of sports media,

but when you see media members, I still think that there's a different distinction from that. And I just don't think that people in those spaces can do the same thing that y'all are doing. And I feel like that's the line that has gotten crossed because again, point blank period, y'all are the culture. So when y'all talk to people, it comes across very different as opposed to somebody

who's sitting up on ESPN or something, saying something about these players is like, whoa, we don't even roll like that. I don't even call you my homie. I don't even listen to your stuff. So for you to come at me that way, it feels different. So I just feel like there's still a line being crossed because even the back and forth and it's like, you know,

Stephen A is great at what he does. I don't even think he needed the response that he had. And again, I knew he was going to respond because he's frustrated. He's allowed to respond. The way he went about it, it's like now you're dragging it. Like LeBron said what he said on Pat McAfee's show,

which he rarely does. Didn't even make you the full topic of conversation, kept it going. He talked about a piece that was going to have to be addressed regardless. And in return, you made it a whole thing that it didn't have to be. So I just feel like it's blown out of proportion, blown out of context. And then it looks weird because regardless, ESPN is gonna have to still continue to talk about LeBron and Bronnie,

so I just think that puts them in a weird state. So that's exactly my point. So when you see it going in the wrong direction and you say he's going, what was the exact words you used? That he was- That's a lot. He's keep going with something. What was the term that you used though? You don't remember?

You don't. Well, that's what I was speaking to. That speaks to the intent of your heart and what you actually did it for. What was the intent of you bringing up LeBron? That is beginning to be seen and that's the part that's not cool. Yeah. Yeah. All around, great interview. A lot of things were said. Yeah. Listen, LeBron, and I know we don't have time, but LeBron addressed a lot of shit. There was a lot of shocking shit,

and I liked, Pat McAfee did an outstanding job. But LeBron, you know, the nigga, one thing that we even talk about on the show, and I seen a bunch of people talk about, and Pat McAfee asked him, he said, yo, so we hear you spend like around a million dollars on your body to keep in shape for a year. He said, who the fuck came up with that?

He said, yo, he said, where did this number come from? He said, I think it came from my body, but who made that up? And niggas been pumping that pause for like two, three, four, five years. Brian's spending two million on his body. Did Brian bring that up too? Brian who? Brian with Horace, he saved it for Brian bring that up too? Brian. Did that come from Brian?

Oh, maybe. I don't even remember. Maybe, he might be doing that, but Brian's like, he might be doing a bunch of shit to discredit. He might be trying to get Brian fired on a lot of things. Brian Whitmore is that person.

Yeah, that's why I asked that. Yeah, he might have. See, this is what I mean. There's a lot of hitting agendas going on. People just, we're just coming to hear about sports, and these people got all these personal issues going on. That's forcing people not to get the truth. I just want people to know the truth.

But imagine, right, like, and this is, this goes to LeBron's maturity, patience, and a bunch of other words that I probably can't think of off the top of my head right now, to just ignore 90% of the shit that he hears that's not true. We've been talking, not just us, niggas been talking about for four, five, yo, the nigga reason why he doing,

he's spending two million on his body every year. The nigga said, what the fuck do niggas, where did niggas come up with that from? And niggas will still be running with that. The fact that he ignores 70, 80% of shit that he knows is not true, it's crazy, it's crazy. Yeah. Side note, just, and this is again,

why it brings more questions. So somebody who said that he spends that much on his body was Maverick Carter, which is confusing because we know that he co-founded one of the companies with LeBron James. So hearing that that's coming from him, but then him saying that that's not true. That's crazy.

Ah! This is a mess. I don't know! This is what I'm trying to say, somebody's lying. Somebody's lying. Yeah. Is that one of the, he's one of the three. Yes, he mentioned Maverick.

He said, man, he gave Maverick a lot of props on that interview, talking about his film companies, et cetera, so yeah, it's a mess out here, man. It's a mess. Get your kids out the street. LeBron, we gotta clear this up, LeBron, because Maverick is not just anybody. Yeah. Absolutely.

And again, this is why we need more answers, so hopefully he does another. And to be honest with you, after seeing what I seen today, he was patient, he didn't ask if he wanted to go. Like I said, I didn't see all of us. I was skimming through to get as much info as I could. Bron was chilling. Number one, these ain't happening for a long ass time.

This ain't happening. Yeah, it would have probably been better if LeBron would have had the conversation with Stephen A. That's who he should have had it with. That ain't happening. Yeah, it's not. Even at this point, it should have happened. At this point, it's not because there's just too much disrespect towards each other. Even though Stephen A said he reached out to LeBron for the conversation, it's like,

I wouldn't really want to talk to him either. People are too delicate. That's that? Problems should be faced head on. That's the best way. I mean, especially as men, that's the best way to handle it. I mean, it don't get better by you going away from it. Cause even though you're speaking to Pat McAfee,

you still speaking to ESPN. Why not speak to the big dog at ESPN? I feel like that's easy to say on the outside, but when you're in the fire, because I know how I get when something pisses me off or I don't agree, I'm really not going to talk to you. I need a second because if I say what I'm going to say, it ain't going to turn out right. No, I fully understand that. I'm saying that if you want the problem handled,

can't talk to the assistant about it. You gotta talk to the person that the problem is with. To me, LeBron don't consider none of this a problem. Stephen A keeps going on and on and on. LeBron probably like, look, I'm in Indian, I'm in Indianapolis. This is where Pat filmed that. Let me go say a few things that I've been wanting to say

and go back in my, in my, in my room or wherever you want to quote unquote, in your shell, that's what I'm looking for, murder, and put my shit on Instagram and X and everything else when I feel like doing it. Yeah, okay. Long LeBronversation, that's what they call it, but good takes, good points. That's all the time that we have for today.

Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is. Thanks for watching!