IT IS WHAT IT IS - MA$E & CAM'RON GET INTO HEATED DEBATE OVER MAYWEATHER RETURNING TO FIGHT!

Episode Date: February 23, 2026

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I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your host, Mace and Can. Keller, what's good, man? What's good, bro? How you doing, man? Good, man. It's been a wild weekend. Happy to be back. Definitely, yes, sir.

Stad, how you doing? I'm good. I'm happy that I made it out the cold because there's a whole snow blizzard on the east coast up north, so I hope everybody's staying safe. It was a lot going on. Oh, yeah, I'm normally cold.

Yeah. You're normally cold or in the cold? In the cold. Okay. I was like, what? Okay. Okay. So it was a real heavy boxing weekend.

So we have a lot to talk about. We're going to start with this Ryan Garcia fight. So he beat Mario Barrios by unanimous decision to capture the WBC Welterweight title. So my question to you guys, Mace, do you think Ryan Garcia has the it factor? Do you think he has hit it? And then what did you think of the fight? Well, I actually love the fight. It's been a, it was a really one-sided fight, but I like that style of fight.

I like when people are pressing the action, pause, and making it the fight that they wanted to be, right? Even though he was getting a lot of shots off, it looked like people say all Ryan has is this left hand. But what I saw was he had both hands, right? It looked like his right hand was dominant in that fight. And it looked like, you know, just Ryan Garcia might be a problem. Unless he comes back, I got to wait for the testing and make sure he's clean. But if he's clean, I like this Ryan Garcia. I love the direction they're going in.

I'm not sure if you want to go into the next up and come and fight that they're talking about. But I really liked the way he went out there from the opening bell just looked to dominate the fight. And that's what it looked like to me. It looked like he was in perfect, good shape. I like the fact that he was back with his dad. He sounded like he was talking about God. You know, it just seemed like he was off the drugs.

He was clean. I like this, Ryan Garcia. I didn't watch the fight. You're not going to make me pay for the, his own monthly and then charge me for the fight. So he wasn't worth me, he wasn't worth me paying the extra $69. But I heard it was a goodie. I heard he looked good.

Yeah. Secondly, secondly, like May said, he looks like he has great boxing skills. I didn't see, I'm not talking about this fight, just period. It was like Canelo too. When you're not on the Roy's, how, what do you look like? That's the thing. what he did to devon it was so amazing

then to find out he was dirty asterix next to him for me so they both lost the tank the nigga he fought he lost the tank the nigga he fought lost the tank wasn't getting an extra 70 for me

but I'll take murder word for it yeah these do he sorry last thing to answer the question doesn't you have the it factor yeah he definitely got the it factor he definitely's a star. You got to realize a lot of time, people, because of his celebrity,

a lot of people confuse him not lately as of lately, like five, six years ago. Oh, he's just a social media, social media, because he got like 12 million followers. So a lot of people is like, oh, you know how they be doing Jake Paul? He's a YouTuber, this, senator. He already has a big following before he started getting a lot of recognition in boxing. So to answer the question, he definitely has the if factor. Let's just see who he has the edge factor against when he's not dirty. Yeah, that's really good because when they were fighting,

it seemed like he started to fight out on super speed, right? So it seemed like I got to wait for the testing. That's all I got to say. If he was clean, I like this Ryan Garcia. You know, are we getting into what he said, he wanted to fight or not? We can. You called out Shakur, but he's also ready to fight everybody at this point.

So what do y'all think about that? I thought that was really amazing because soon as he won, he was just like, yo, this is a fight. Y'all know who I want to fight. And I like that kind of energy, you know? I'm not sure about that fight because I thought Tio could do something with Shakur. I'm not, I mean, I'm not going to lie. I thought he could do something.

I didn't know he would just fight with his arms down, but I think it's something that I saw in a boxing match that I never saw before. I don't know if it's just my eyes became alert, but when people are punching, it's like you can see before they're punching, right? So somebody that really studied details, they can tell when you're about the jab if you fight the normal way that most fighters fight.

And it seemed like that's what Shakur picked up on, Like he knew soon as his shoulder lift up that he's about to throw a jab or when he crank his arm, he's about to throw a hook. And it was like everything was just like telepath to a person who paid attention to details. And I'm not sure if that will be the same case with Ryan. Even though he's explosive and he's powerful, will his punches be telegraphed?

I didn't see the nigger fight. So Chacon looked good to me. Like I said, Ryan's on probation with me. after this touch come back I can make more of a comment on it I can't even be bad at that I think a lot of people are hesitant because of what they see

and you can only go by if this wasn't because you gotta think about it look and that's the thing about it people are getting mad right like Mace said Mace was saying he looked good he had God in his life

all that he was on cocaine saying God and all that murder like it ain't just a regular voyage he was on a drug Yeah, he's on drugs too He wasn't just on motherfucking regular steroids He's on drugs so we don't know what's in there

Yeah, you're right I'm talking about That's what I was trying to know I'm cocaine I ain't talking about that That ain't what I'm talking about I'm not saying he on it now But the touch got to come back

My nigga like it's too much extra substances for me. But like I said, I was really becoming a fan after the Devin hype fight. I liked him. He looked incredible and then you know, you knickers

always got that. I ain't even know. That's the crazy shit. I hate when niggas do that. I ain't even know. Like even Canelo, he said, yo they gave me the wrong state. So they gave you the wrong state. Well, okay. Where they song is several stakes at, man?

Where's this at? Can't even be mad. But congrats to Ryan for winning the fight, you know? Excited to see what happens next. I know a lot of people are calling out Shakur, so we'll see what fight he ultimately decides. So let me ask Mesa question real quick, right? As good as we've seen him look against Devon,

did he really win that fight? Winnie for Devin? Yeah. Did he really win? He really won that fight. Okay. You know, I can't unsee what I saw. I'm not going to lie.

Now, if you take the drugs away, right? He's probably not faster, but that same punch exists. Yeah, but at the same time. Yeah, but what I'm saying is with that same punch, it hurt nothing like it hurt. where he'd been able to eat punches the way he was eating punches. That's what I'm saying

when all this extra curricula is going on. We don't know, you know, I don't know what drugs. Like we, you know, that was one thing I always used to think about murder. And Nick probably, no. Because we come from urban America.

We don't know where to buy steroids at. Nick probably know exactly where to get steroids at. He'd be in a gym and this shit. You know how to buy testosterone. testosterone strike. They can go, I bet you niggas be in there

like, yo, Nick, got the worries, nigga by Sunday and all that. That's what I'm saying, man.

I can be on the, the cover of the mask and my shirt off in two days. Nick, no way.

Yeah, they got that. Then you don't even know what they're selling. They're like, nah, this right here,

you won't get hurt. This right here, though? Nigger. You know, you're going to kill it. Every time you work out. I'd be 100. You know how many says, talking about they working out. I'm telling you, man.

He wrote quite, too. Okay. So, moving along. Me and Nick had this discussion. Nick, I ain't saying, I ain't saying Nick on Roy's, but Nick know where the voids is at. Yeah, I saw, you know, no circles, but.

Y'all can't see him, but he goes out. I saw a nigga lift a whole garage up, you know what I'm saying? All you got to do is look at murder. Listen, I'm going to tell you, sir, even bouncers, right, when you look at bounces outside the club, when they ears are sticking out this way, like this, they're on that. shit.

The ears, the top of the ears be out like this way. It's how you know you're gonna get ears be muscled out.

The bounces be like that too. I'm like, oh, that's a nigga on steroids, man. Leave this nigga a nigga on.

Yeah, Nick, a kid, Paul's bigger than his old body. He's like, you know, this thing is working out.

But his head is big. Yeah. I know exactly what you're, You talk about, killer. Niggas' ears start looking like little pillows, you know what I'm saying? The niggins are, you know what?

It's just a strong, strong muscle ear niggas. The ladies be having it, too, they be trying to wear their bangs over their ears like stat right now. You can see my ears. But I know what you. Yeah, they're trying to wear the hair over it. have to look now. That's crazy. She's muscle strong ears. Okay. So Richardson Hitchens was ruled out of his junior welterweight title fight against Oscar Duarte due to illness. So he reportedly had fallen ill shortly after making weight on Friday and was vomiting before being removed early Saturday. So Mace,

what was your reaction to the news? Because you know he had the interview. What are we thinking? He was vomiting? Yeah, that's what it said. I mean, he was my guy, you know what I'm saying? He came up to the show, but then he said all of that and started vomiting. That's nervous energy to me, you know? If I got some way and I just start vomiting, right? You would say this thing is. Sometimes the lights be too bright.

Yeah, right? You can say all of this and you get in front of a nigga you start to fight, Nick. And the niggins start vomiting. What are you going to say? Oh, this nigger's scared. I don't care what he say.

Until we see him fight that guy, he can't come back against nobody else. If I was homeboy, I run with it. You know, sometimes you get in front of Godzilla and you rethink it. Yeah, I don't think. I got for them is, bro, you gotta come back on the show no later than

Wednesday. And if not, it's a dove, bro. You got to tell us, you know, you got to tell us hands on what happened, because you had you up here, he's vouching. Yeah, man. Yeah, I'm like, yeah. But I knew it wasn't Brooklyn

vibes. I gotta be honest, man, I ain't talking my hot niggas back, but I knew it wasn't Brooklyn. There's a little more cutthroat than that, you know what I'm saying? out the Bobby, man. Brooklyn is a little more type of time.

Now, but Richardson, you know, that's our guy, you know what I'm saying? He came up to the show. We're just having fun, but I really do think if you vomit, that's, you know, joking-wise, that's what people

going to say, you was panicking. So I don't know if at this point I could take a doctor's letter. I got to speak to the doctor myself, man. I can't even take the doctor's note, Nick. I got to speak to the doctor myself. Because you know, niggas can get people to say anything.

Niggis cousins be doctors. Only thing I'm going to say murder is this. I'm not saying him. It was, it was, it was, and the flu is going around Vegas. It is going around. People are getting sick. I'm not going to say he was here long enough to get sick or whatever. But I'm going to be honest.

with you. Nick was coughing for three months to where I was scared for. I was like, I'm in hoping nothing extra wrong with my nigga. Niggas don't be sick for three months. Nigger was coughing. And he was bombing it. Talking about somebody cooked him some bad food.

I'm like, nah, I've seen this one before. This don't look like bad food. This looked like the wrong bitch. Yeah. Yeah. It looked like he was on the Boulevard,

nigga. That guy happened on the bar messing with the girls with flowers on their hats and all of that. Yeah, I didn't a nigga was called for three months straight. I was giving Nick five like this for

two months. Bigger's getting a terrible black scale. My gosh. Game 92, killer. That's what I was saying. Yeah, that's what I would think. too. I was thinking

the niggins the trojan commercials need to come back on, man. Yeah, you got chill out, Nick. You got to chill out. I'm glad you cleared that up, Gila, because I was thinking you was getting

stalled. I mean, that's none, then then Lathie in three weeks I thought he's perfect and that nigger that nigger really sick. So I'm, I'm, that's all I got, though, murder. I'm not saying I don't think

I don't know I don't know I don't know Hutchison might have got Larry and I'm sick to cover itself I don't know I'm pushing

I'm just talking to come back up Hudgson until you come back up yeah I'm pushing the envelope I'm letting you know right now I'm gonna tell you

I will say this though I see Ryan Garcia talking about how he was sick before a fight he wasn't sweating it out saw him everything else. Oscar Delahoya said the niggas saw

if he's scared. He don't want to fight. Oscar Delahoya was pissed off. So, you know, we're not directly in the boxing community, but the boxing community ain't respecting it. So it's even worse than us. Yeah, and that's why I'm saying.

I'm standing on top of pause what's going on because he got my expert name out there. Sometimes people get mad. I say something, but I got to cover my name. You know, like people got to cover their bets and these got to cover their parlays. I got to cover my name. I went on the ledge for the young man.

Richardson, you got to get up here. Pause, PT. Talk to somebody, man. We got to clear this up. No, a follow-up would be great. I don't like that. I could share two things that were said, but it's not directly from him.

One was saying it could have been food poisoning from breakfast that he had earlier. And then another thing, somebody tied to, I guess, at a news conference, he was talking about the Rehydration Clause and how it affected his performance against one of his earlier opponents. So I don't know if it has to do with any of the two. Again, Richardson, it would be great to be able to have you clear things up on the show. That's what we do. I don't like it.

I don't like it. I don't like this for him. You know what I'm saying? I don't like this for New York. First, we got T.O. from Brooklyn. and then we got, you know, then we got Richardson. So this is bad for Brooklyn, man.

It wasn't good for New York this weekend, man. It just wasn't good for New York this weekend. I'm happy to be from Jacksonville this weekend, man. I just got to stand on where I stand on, you know. I don't know. But maybe we'll get an update. Maybe we'll get an update. And the way that y'all called Nick out for a three-month cough and knowing where cocaine is is crazy.

Like, he can't even vouch for himself. No, I don't say I know where Nick know where cocaine is at. I say he knows where steroids is at. Oh. Even better. Woo! Not like it's less federal, but. Yeah.

I don't know if Nick knows what coke. I don't know if I don't know if Nick know what cocaine is. I can't, I'm not co-signing that. I was going to discuss from anyways, so it works out. That's crazy, Nick. Okay. Okay, now on to Clarissa Shield. So she won her rematch against Franshan Cruz-Dazern by unanimous decision,

retaining her heavy weight titles. So Mace, in your opinion, at this point, do you think Clarissa has anything else to prove? Like, what are your thoughts on her career and what she's done so far? I think Clarissa is an amazing fighter. I love Clarissa and a lot of what she represent, right? She represents this girl from the hood, you know,

just had a very hard upbringing, did a lot to come a long way, you know, and I think her story is phenomenal. I even watched a movie that they made on her, so I'm highly supportive of it. I even support her trying to find love, you know, but when it comes to the boxing sport, as great as she is, you're always going to be remembered by the chances you took and the steps you took to be great, right?

So at this point, there's only one fight, you know, it comes to that place in life where there's only one fight that's going to matter. And until she take that fight, I can't give her the greatest of all time, but she's definitely top two. But she's not one until she beat the one. And we know who that one is, and that one is Le La Ali. She has to beat Leila Ali. And I don't know if a Leila Lee would get in the ring, but sometimes some things are out of your date and out of your time where you can't really get that, right?

It's just like Terrence Crawford, right? If he was able to fight Floyd, you know, then that would cement him on another level. But I don't know if he can get that level because of the date, right? So it's the same way with Layla Ali. Those people, they garner so much notoriety, and they mean so much, they're so celebrated to everybody. You kind of got to put that giant down to be King David.

be good lies. Well, she's been trying to fight Lela Lee. Laila Lee has been on the record saying that if she had 10 million, she would fight her. Carissa had some investors come up with the 10 million. The fight still didn't happen.

But Clarissa had been pushing that envelope and Laila Lee has been brushing it off like whatever. Kalee said that she would win the fight too. But I like the way you put that makes. That was a very, very, very great point because sometimes it's just about your birth certificate.

You know what I'm saying? It's about when you were born and when somebody else was born. And that's an argument I would send all the time. How he'd be like, yo, this play ain't do this or this play ain't do that? And I'm like, yo, why are you mad at his birth certificate? You act like he asked to be born in 2002. It wasn't his fault. He was born in 2002 instead of 1979.

So same thing like that's why I be I mess with stat but what you want to do if she don't know Webster's thing Or she don't know how for birth certificates say different man If she won't go back and watch it go back and watch it but you care you're mad at her for not knowing Who who certain people is soon got mad at my son because he say yo you know babe root for my son son say yeah the candy bar like yo my nigga what you want him to fucking do You know, Babe Ruth was hit home runs and shit like 1919. I'm like, you know, niggins, all that shit wasn't even born in that time. What are you told me?

Yeah, that's like Reggie Jack. Axon him, do he know a Reggie Jack? He doesn't know what I'm saying. Exactly. So I like the way you put that. But to the fight that happened last night, she looked excellent, man. Like really, really great boxing skills. Um, the girl came out, tried to make it a fight.

The first two rounds, cool, but I see her breathing with her mouth open and on third round. I knew that she wasn't going to win the fight. I thought she possibly wouldn't even make the 10 rounds. I'm surprised she made the 10 rounds. But, you know, when any box is breathing with a mouth open that early in the fight, it's not a good sign. So, um, Clarissa looked good, put on a great, great fight. Um, as far as her, who she's going to box next, it's going to be. hard because, you know, it's about finding challenges in her weight division as well.

She already fought this girl. Her first fight, she fought the girl. She beat her in a four-round fight earlier. So now it's just about trying to find people that make sense for her to even fight. Looking at that fight yesterday, it didn't even look like it made sense for her to fight her. That's how much she outclassed the girl. But the turnout in Detroit was great. It was 17,000 over 17,000.

of people there. The support and the love that she gets in Michigan is amazing. So it looks like she could definitely sell tickets. I know I was tuned there. A lot of people that I know that was tuned in. She definitely could sell some tickets and get people to watch. But what's next? That's the real thing.

And she ever going to get a threat in her weight division because it doesn't look like it's anybody that's even close that could keep her at that weight class. two questions killer number one are you sure that she came up with the tin for lay lalee or did she just say that so basically it's a clip

she's in a boardroom with two white men two black men it wasn't just her it was like a group of people it's actually a clip of it and they was like you go get 10 million

so it wasn't like you know like me over here like I got my 10 I got the 10 it wasn't one of those it was one of them this is the so-and-so group this is the

suffer-so group and with this group we combined to get your 10 million dollars Layla Ali so it wasn't like I'm not saying they tracked the account

in a money machine but it was investors there but it was reputable people everything did. That's the word. Thank you. I can add to that. Well, yeah, she said I know that

when records has the $15 million. If Ali wants to fight for that offer, it's there. That's what her price was and what she feels like she deserves and we can make that fight happen. So she did kind of lay it out on the table and said that it was there. So still trying to read up exactly why it didn't really call it? Right. But to answer your question, murder, I can't say for sure,

but the presentation it looked good yeah there's a video yeah and another another thing when it comes to her fight and I guess if she got

if she had the 10 million then that's all we need to know she might have to go into wrestling her next bag may be in wrestling and may be in a WWE she may have to diversify and take her talents elsewhere I even saw

fighting the UFC. You know, she got to just make her name bigger, you know, in order to start making her fights in events, she got to become like a global icon. She can even go into acting and fight, you know, be

one of those roles like Rhonda Rousey was beginning to play. But she got to get an agent and go in that direction because that's where her next bag of money is. Because right now, it's nobody else for her to fight. If it's not Layla, at least you have to drop the skin and bones and fight.

What's the name? Alisa Bum Gardner. How do you say her last name? Alicia Bumgarner? Yeah. That would break the... That's too much of a weight difference. That's like 35 pounds.

You wouldn't be the direct to recognize it. I'm saying that's the only, that's the only, notable fight that bring a lot of news and a lot of things that she need to go to the next place. Sometime you've done everything you could do on that level, you've got to really

explore something different. And then, I know we're talking about Layla Ali, and we were talking about how sometimes for the right price things do happen, so that's going to bring us on to Mayweather. So, he announced that he will end his retirement and resume his professional boxing career

after his spring, 2026, boxing exhibition with Mike Tyson. His written statement said, I still have what it takes to set more records in the sport of boxing from my upcoming Mike Tyson event to my next professional fight afterwards. No one will generate a bigger gate, have a larger global broadcast audience, and generate more money with each event than my events. And I plan to keep doing it with my global media partner, CSI Sports and Fight Sports. So, Mace, what do you think of his decision to unretire?

And then thoughts on that matchup to begin with? Mike Tyson versus Mayweather. I don't know. I don't know about this, but I think that there are some major fights with a guy like Floyd ending his retirement. There's a lot of fights that come in mind right now, even when you got a guy like Errol Spence

that haven't fought for years, right? that will be a good fight, you know. I can't say it will be a good fight, but I'm saying that would generate a lot of money because these are two people, everybody is waiting to see fight again. They're waiting to see Aerospace fights. So Floyd versus Errol Spence will be a good fight

because people are also under the notion that Arrow beat Floyd and sparring or, you know, got the best of them or anything like that. Not that Floyd ever lost under the lights, but that's a rumor there. But I don't like the, and I don't want to go too deep into it, but I don't like the, I don't like Floyd fighting after the rumors of, you know, different things financially. I don't like that because as you get older, farther time is just going to show up at some point. I'm not saying it's going to be this fight.

I'm not saying it's the next fight, but at some point, Father Tom is going to show up. And I don't like that for Floyd. Floyd represent everything that I prize winning, you know, winning in style, excellence, you know, giving 100% to detail. And I would never want to see Floyd lose. That would be like Roy Johnson.

Jones getting knocked out to me. That really devastated me. I don't think they still, I couldn't say it any better. Everything he said, I totally agree with the fighting. And Floyd went like, to me, Floyd, one thing about Floyd is this. He doesn't drink. He doesn't smoke. He stays in shape all the time.

And I don't like the fact that he's fighting right after rumors. He might have had this planned out anyway. Who gives a fuck? You know, and it doesn't. matter what the rumors say or what we say or anything like that. He may have been like, nigger, this was my plan to fight anyway. But just all the rumors coming out. And then he looks like he's taking a fight. It just doesn't look good. You know, we see him suing Al Heyman's company saying they robbed him for $200, $300 million. Then whatever accusations about him not

owning buildings in New York, which he say he does. So I just don't like the rumors. And then he's fighting because it doesn't look good, even though he could have. been fighting even if none of the rumors ever came out. But I think it's only three, you know, the first fight, Mike Tyson fight, even though this is an exhibition, they genuinely don't like each other. At least Mike Tyson doesn't like Floyd. In the past he has it. I don't know if they made up because, you know, Floyd doesn't give a lot of credit to Muhammad

Ali saying he took a lot of punches and I see the best of all time. I don't want to get his words misconstrued, but things to that knowledge. And, you know, to a lot of heavyweights, Muhammad Ali is the King of Kings. So Mike Tyson didn't like that. We don't know if how serious they said it was a clause and the Jake Paul fight of Mike Tyson really could throw punches or couldn't throw punches.

That's why he's biting his gloves. So we don't know if we've seen what Mike Tyson really could do just retain to his last fight. But this is an exhibition fight. And I don't really see too much going crazy because Floyd is in shape. We know Floyd's not. going to go there to knock Mike Tyson out.

He might be going there to give him an absolute boxing lesson if he can. But we're not seeing the prime Mike, but we will see a better version of Mike, I believe, from the Jake Paul fight. And after that fight, going back professional, it's really three fights murder, maybe four that I would want to see from him. The first one you just said, excellent, excellent match of Erospence against Floyd. And for every reason you said, the rumors about Errol Spence probably getting the best of Floyd in the gym. You know, it's a boxing unwritten law that you don't talk about what happens in sparring.

But for some reason, that rumor had been floating around for years. And we actually seen Floyd say that he never said Errol be him, but he said he wanted to thank Errol Spence for giving him great sparring when he got out of jail. You know, that's the rumor. Oh, or not the rumor. When he was sparring, Erospence, he said he just got out of jail. And he would say, thank you for giving him great training going into the fight that he was going into the fight with. So that would be a great fight to see because we don't know where Erospence is at now. Because we have nothing, we don't know where he's at, but we're talking about as far as some definitely having the next fight.

It's speculation he's going to fight this spring. We'll see what happens. But I would love to see that fight. I would love to see him in Shakur. I would love to see some WWE shit and not talking about fake shit but the angle between

Tink and him would be crazy because of the hate the Tink has for him and then somebody that doesn't really get a lot of record so there's the three fights

Aerospace then I would like to see Shakur as well because I think that'll be if you're a boxing fan you can't ask for a higher skill level. You may not get a knockout or anything else, but if you're a boxing purist,

you're not going to see high-level skills as far as both for them defensively and as far as, you know, just jazz, a high-punch percentage, I should say. After that, I said, and this is no particular order. And then I said I would like to see him in tank. also fight because of the hate the tank has for Floyd.

I think that would be the biggest fight because that would make the most sense as far as if you want to sell tickets. The story leading up to that would be great. And then just to get his name back, you would fight somebody who only lost once, if I'm not mistaken, somebody like Keith Thurman as well. Outside of that, I don't know what makes sense financially

or who else to fight financially without being in real trust. So those would be probably the four fights that I would want to see. We know Floyd likes to fight people that's not from America so that he can get the pay-per-view numbers from other cities, pardon the other countries, rooted for the person that's from that country. So with all this said, it's a lot on the table and we'll see what happens.

Killer, this is wow. Those four was wow. You don't want to see them? No, no. Why would I want to see Floyd in no disrespect? Why would I want to see Floyd against Chicoor

and not the same weight class? Would Chiquot come up to 47? He could. He said he would fight Ryan at a catchweight on 144. So I think Floyd would fight I think Floyd is fighting now 154.

But if they come up, meet at 147, it's not far-fetched. So what about Devin? Same way you just say, like, for instance, right, when you was talking to Africa, Devin's 1-47. You know what I'm saying? So when you was talking about them two fights, he would have to come to 147 to fight Devin anyway.

Floyd could make 147. What are you doing? I don't know, but I know that's what he fought at most of his career, and his last shoot fight's been in 154. So I'm just saying as a boxing purists, I would like to see that. I don't think that's no bad fight at all. I don't know about Tink, though. Tank Tink Twitch, Tink as a boxer could be different.

Like, I'm going to be honest. Like, I've been watching Tink as he started talking about us. I really started paying attention to what he does. And his fast twitches is, the reason he gets niggas out of there. So him, pause against Floyd will be, it's probably the

best fight out of all of the fights that you name, not just for, for money purposes, but styles of fight. Like they say, styles make fights. That's how Madonna was. Madonna was just explosive. A person that beat Floyd

is never a technical person. It got to be somebody with, with knockout power. That's the only thing that changes all of those technicalities. And I don't want to say anything about anybody else, but I've never seen a fighter skilled as Floyd. Never. I don't care how many boxes they say are skilled today.

I don't think none of them are skilled as Floyd. Like Terrence Crawford is gifted in his own way, but I wouldn't put him up there with Floyd. And he possibly could beat Floyd very well. But skill-wise, I still couldn't put him up there with Floyd. And I'm not stuck in the past. I think he's the best of this time. He's my favorite fight out of all of the fighters.

So I'm not saying this as a person hating on him. He's definitely my favorite fighter. And I said that before the Earl Spence fight. Earl Spencer was my second favorite fighter. So, and I still stand by that, you know, but I like to call it straight. And I don't believe there's, I don't think we're going to see another fighter

as skilled as for it. I don't think they have the discipline. That, that was another of my debate. We asked what's good fights for. I think you throw a Devin in there as well. That's a good fight as well. But I'm not arguing his skill level. I just said that Shakur

probably has the best skill level now if we're talking about now. Then you have to think about this. I'm talking about who has better skills. I'm talking about his boxing. I'm not talking about the best boxer. Talking about what's in the bag. Now, he may not have the knockout power.

I don't want to go deep into the conversation because I don't want him to think we're talking negative about him. No, I don't... But that's what we do. Okay, well, then I don't see... I don't see what he's doing as, like, I think that looks good until he get hit. I'm going to stand on that. Mace, you're not answering, but you're not answering my question.

I said, who is today skilled? I'm not saying I don't know the answer. I'm telling you to me. To me, I think Devin Haney has just as many skills as. bad habits. I think when it comes to Shakur is not just his skill that they're watching. They're watching

his discipline. That's really what separates him from everybody else. Devin Haney has the same skills, but Devin Haney doesn't have the same discipline as Shakur. Just like Zab Judah had a lot of the same skills as

Floyd, but he didn't have the discipline of Floyd, and that's what separated Floyd from Zab, if that makes sense. And that's what I'm basically trying to say. He was as fast as boy. I agree with you. He had everything, but he didn't have the discipline.

So your question was skills. Skills, Devin Haney, but he doesn't have the discipline. I totally disagree when it comes to who has better skills. And the add to what you're saying, I think that's correct. But discipline is part of it. Now, I get what you said. You'd be a technical saying, you said skills. But when you keep, I don't think, I don't think that Chakur gets hit with them hooks that Ryan was hit him with.

Yeah, he doesn't get hit with any of those hooks. That's part of your skill, though. You may tell you discipline and you're changing it or bad habits or whatever, but that's also part of your defensive skill not to get. hit. Devin, Chacore's not getting hit with them shit that Devin was getting hit with. And I love Devin.

You know, I'm a Haynes is part of the show. That's my, that's, you know, Bill, I love Bill. That's my brother. But Devin, Chacore doesn't get hit with those. My opinion. Yeah, he doesn't get hit with him because it's his willingness to engage, though, killer.

Like, and I got to say what I, I got to say what I see. Like you said, that's what we're on show to do, I don't see his willingness to engage. I see his willingness to engage only when he's the predator. Like if it turns into a fight, I'm just saying what I see. I don't mean no disrespect to Chakor or his followers or his fans. I'm a fan of the sport. I'm as a as a boxing casual. You don't do too much apologize and just say what you got to say, man. Not what you call that.

I'm just telling you. There's too many disclaimers. We heard you the first time. I don't think he's willing to engage. I don't think he's willing to engage. But something gets, just like when, before we saw that Errol Spence fight, I told you, I said, we've never seen Errol Spence challenge. We've never seen somebody break through that shill and find out what he's really made of. And I believe the same thing when it comes to Shakur.

I've never seen nobody crack him and then he have to really fight. So as a fighter, that got to be a part of your skills. Like if you're going to say discipline is a part of it, having a tough chin taking one and really like Andre Ward, I seen him get up and fight. Terrence Crawford, I seen him get up off the floor and fight and knock the guy out that knocked him down. So this is what I'm saying.

I'm just saying that because, you know, I never want somebody to think we're personally attacking them. No, this is just what we see in the sport. So the same way with Devin Haney. I saw Devin Haney get beat bad, and I saw him come back and redeem himself. That tells me about something that he got going on on the inside of him, pause. Now, when somebody else is like, well, the goal is the hit and not get hit, I understand all of that.

but if you're going to be in the sport of swimming, at some point you got to get wet. Pause, you got to get wet for us to know that you're a swimmer. You can't stay dry and we say you're the greatest swimmer of all times. I hear what you're saying, but if I'm secure, I'm not going to let a nigger hit me and be like, let me get in danger to see if I can survive being in danger. That's part of the skill set.

We're not talking about. It's my goal. It's my goal. You just went for three minutes. It's my goal. You're lost something. You went for three minutes. No, you're telling me.

You're telling me not. At one point, you're saying, don't be apologetic. So if I'm not apologetic, that's the only thing we want to see. We can't say you a dog until you get in a dog fight. You can't be, you can't say you a dog. You ain't never been in a dog fight. Bro. I can't back to say.

I'm trying to say this. I hear you, my name. but I'm not going to see. It's part of my skill. If I'm not getting hurt, why I put myself in harm's way to see if I get hurt? That's not my problem.

Niggas can't hurt me. And I agree with you. Just like you said with the Elwood Special fight. You said it before the fight. You said, we never seen a nigga in trouble and you don't know what's going to happen when niggis in trouble. You caught that.

But at the end of the day, if I'm Shakur Stevenson, and my defense is that good to where you can't hurt me, that's not my fault. Then you said he's not willing to engage. Look like he was doing a lot of

motherfucking engaging against Tia. It looked like Tio face says engagement all over it. His whole face his whole face, whatever everybody what I'm saying is this murder

you keep cutting me off whatever you say. Tio was their favorite. Everybody was talking about Tio going to knock him out. Tio was strong. Tio Fava said, where's your power?

Where's your power? That's not the core fault. that he took that away from him? Yo, you can't blame that. I'm not saying it is his fault. And I'm not saying it is his fault. And I'm not saying he should get hit. I'm saying until he gets hit, I don't know what type of fighter he is. I saw the same thing with Deonté Wilder, right?

As long as he was wild on everybody else, he was the bronze bomber, right? Somebody get in there and all of a sudden they can take that punch and they give him a punch and now all of a sudden murder I heard you the first time I'm just saying I heard you the first time I heard you the first time I'm just telling you

I'm not going to take a chance on getting hit until somebody is you but I'm saying if you're seeing all of these skills I can't say that until I see you in trouble I saw Sugar Ray Robinson in trouble See, what you're doing is, what you're in trouble, I saw Thomas Hern's in trouble. You're just, you can't yell a few more you want.

You're talking about getting hurt as opposed to skill. It's heart, heart and skill is two different things. You're talking about a nigga who got heart who get up. That's not skilled. That's not skill getting up off the floor. That's not skill getting hurt. That is hard. That is hard, bro.

That is hard. If you're discipline, it's part of your skill, if you're not getting hit and definitely getting hit with the same heart is a part of your skill. No, no, it's not. No, it's not. If discipline is a fucking thing, you're loud, you're loud, you're loud, you're loud, you're loud, you're loud and proud and wrong and strong. I'm just telling you, bro. Take the pride as well. If you don't have heart, you're strong. If you don't have heart, you're strong.

Can you be a good fighter? You can fight. You got all the heart. You got a heart. Yes, that's a fact. You have all the heart in the world and keep getting knocked out. You got a mad heart and get knocked out every night. But you got heart.

Every, you can lose every fight you got, but you got heart. So yes, you can be a terrible fighter at mad heart. And the fight be like, yo, he had a lot of heart, though. That's what niggis be saying. Niggas get beat up and be like, you can't say nothing. about his heart. That's two different things, bro. Okay.

Well, that's what they're paying to see. They're paying to see a fight. I hear you. I'm not mad at it to take. I just said, I don't think there's nobody with a skill level is good to say. But I'm not arguing with you about if it's exciting. That's something different. We looked at Mandy Pachial get knocked out. And people come back to see them. I get what you're saying.

You're saying the niggas exciting. You want to see engagement. You want to see niggas rumble. I totally understand that. That's not my argument. I'm not arguing about that. That's why we're paying the money. I'm not arguing. That wasn't never my point arguing with you.

I was never disagreeing with that. I totally get it. That's why people still pay to see Mike Tyson. Because you're hoping to see one of them since Mike Tyson used to do the people. You're waiting on that again. I totally understand that. That was never my argument. My whole argument was like who has better skill.

but if you think Devin has better skill, I can't argue with that. That's your opinion. I just disagree. I think he has around the same skills. I think he has that. I think that you take away that one Ryan fight, I would say the moving around the ring,

Devin could do the same thing. He's as athletic. He's actually faster on his feet than Shakur. I think Shakur is just in a, sometimes you're in a zone. and when you're in a zone, you become better than what you are, right? And I think at this point, I don't think anybody's going to beat Shakur, but when we talk about skills, I got to see those skills challenged.

That's basically what I'm saying to be able to say those skills will hold up under fire. And it's not about getting hit. How many fights did they ever have? Yeah, 25. So, Mace, you see 25 niggas test his skill level? No. They all lost. They all lost.

That's what you're doing when you get in the ring. It's just, you're just, they're just skills against their skills. I saw two people test that skill level. And not really. I only really one person test that skill level and his name was Sonto. Whatever it is, when you go in the studio, and somebody else going to the studio. If you better than them, it's just your skills.

Your skills is better than them. That don't mean they didn't have any skills. It's just better. Your skills is better. That's just what it is. Whether you like what people've done against Choucau or not, I'm not arguing that. I'm just telling you,

I don't know nobody with better skills to him right now. But I'm not arguing the heart. I'm not arguing the excitement. I think we're saying two different things. And I understand that. I respect what you're saying. I'm saying something totally different. I'm not saying that he doesn't have premium skill.

I'm not saying that he doesn't have elite skill. I'm just saying according to my vantage point as a spectator, I don't know if something work, right, until I see it tried. Like, I'm a person, I believe in systems. I believe in skills. So when I'm working with people, I, I train people to have skills at different things in life. But we don't trust that those skills work until those skills are up under fire.

When we see them under fire, that's how we know if it's pure goal or not. You got to put goal under fire to say this goal is real or this goal is counterfeit. Without fire, we can't tell if it's pure goal. So to keep championing something as pure goal, it is only one way to prove. goal and that's under fire. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, and all I'm saying is if the goal is in a fireproof safe, oh well, can't be in no fire because it's in a fireproof safe. I knew he was going to ask me.

That would be all the day. I'm about to say the same thing. Shout out the devil and shout out. Yeah, shout to both for them, man. Yeah, shout to both for them. Absolutely, man. Yeah. I was going to say, I think you guys can agree to disagree.

You guys also both have different definition of what skills are. So everything is just, you know, you're going to think what you think, he's going to think what he thinks, and then some of the comments are going to just say. Let me tell you, sir. Let me tell you, sir. If we were, this argument would have happened outside our block. It would have went to six in the morning. We were talking about everything from Biggie to two-bock.

And it came back to the Mori Povich versus Jerry Springer. This would have to win everything. This is a fact. You got a big of the fact. this shit would have been out the coke and Pepsi it would have went all over the place of my name this is good

thanks for great that's why I be thinking when people when people talk about us I'm like yo I'm the wrong two niggins to argue with you're not going to form to argue I don't care who it is

I'm like why you ain't going to it Not a day up, boy. Oh, man. Oh, man. Okay. In the comments down below, though, let us know what matchup with Mayweather you guys would like to see. But we're going to go to break.

When we return, we will discuss Chrison Rock's Road to Boxing and Reinventing yourself. She called this thing about toxic. Got you feeling like a option. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. Tonight, the Spurs will play the Pistons. Underdog has Wembe at 23.5 points. Do you have higher, lower Mace? This Wembe, we talk him out. The man is only 7.4 now. He should never have under 25. Realistically. If I was 6, 7, let alone 7.4. you can't get no lower than, you can't get no lower than that.

I'm going to agree. I think that Wemby is starting to embrace what it takes to be a superstar or the face of the league. You can see the nigger getting little attitudes, even when he dunking, he's shaking the rim a little bit. You know, he's getting a lot of swag. And I know he realizes not only is Detroit number one in the east, not just the east and the NBA, if I'm not mistaken, but he knows he's facing off against another potential superstar and Kay Cunningham. He gets more than 23.

Yeah, he got the ball head. Pause. If he go black socks, he might terrorize the league. Wimby, if you're watching this, start winning black socks. I guarantee you you get a championship. It's something it does to your mindset. I'm out here not to play with these niggas. Black heirs and black socks, you don't play with niggas.

who wear black socks or black airs. You can't. That's the heart you were talking about me, so Wimby's got it. So, okay. Cade Cunningham is at 27.5 points. You have my higher, lower, Cam. I'll go higher.

Yeah, higher. It's a little like Kavis on a mission this year. I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, after what he did in the garden, I think that also, May him realize, okay, niggas did it at the guard. I remember they played a couple days ago, and the next morning, you know, Stephen A. Smith, shout Stephen A. Smith and Kendrick Perkins and the crew up there.

First thing, they was preparing his performance to Steph Curry, Michael, Joy, and Kobe, Brian, LeBron, James. You know, a lot of people or younger folks, I should say, younger players these days don't know what it means when you bust ass in the guard. And the way he busted this ass other night in the garden, I think he realized, oh, I could be one of the ones. Because when you shut up the garden, the niggas are just looking like this.

You know, they had everybody up there from Tracy Morgan and Spike Lee. Like, you know how they're sort of slow motion niggas is like this. They don't even want to look this shit he was doing. So I think it's a big matchup tonight. Okay. And Jalen Durenz at 16.5.

from higher, lower Mace. I'm going to go higher. The young boy trying to do his thing, fresh in the all-star game. Fresh out of TV. I'm going higher, you know? Who am I not to go with too high? You know?

I'm going to agree with Mace. I'm going to go higher. You got to do it like you're doing it for TV. you know, pause. Clear. That is very clear, base. Make sure I'll download the underdog app and you can make your picks too. Okay, so, Chrishawrach, and for those who may not know her,

she was the one who had a high profile relationship with Blueface, also a rapper. She had her first face off for her upcoming boxing match, which is set for April 25th. So, Chrison is no stranger to being on social media, Mace. What do you think of her career? career pivot. I like this and I like coach Calvin. It's a it's a DMV thing, you know. I see what they doing. I like this. You talk about profile. If she goes and then win and get good, I think she has the toughness. Now she need the skills like killer and I was talking about earlier. She she could be dangerous. But I need her to take.

easier fights, right? So if she take easier fights, then she can develop probably much better. But I don't know. I don't know everything about boxing, but I would think you don't want to take a lot of damage early. It might change her mind about boxing. But if she get, you know, a type of fight that's kind of hard, but she can handle it, then that would be great for her development. I was trained in the river, you know? do you think she got heart murder? Yeah. But she ain't got no skills. I think it's always got a double back. It's a part of it. That's why Calvin took home. Because it's a part of the skill.

It's an innate ability. You can't teach it. Either you got it or you don't got it. I don't care how great your other skills are. If that chinget, we will find out, will you flight or will you fight? You know, it's just what happens. Some people, you know, bite down, pause, and some people say, I want to go home. I think that this is great because she's very entertaining.

So if she does, she's able to, you know, getting a, real boxing match and have to stand in the still level. She's learning some things. I think she'll be excellent. I think it's nobody better for the sport, actually, because of her presence outside the race. Actually, one day was watching one of them shit, some gladiator shits where you swirl through and jump through

and run through a ring and jump over a wall. She won one of them shits. I'm like, yo, bro, that's not no easy shit, yo. That's like, you know, they put you through a juggle Jim and you got to hold a rope over water and all type of shit. She actually won one of them shit. I think I've done that before.

She actually won one of them joints, man. You know what I'm saying? And then you know, we see her. Now she lived in a house with Blueface. Blueface the box, too. I see Blueface when he was smart

with Floyd. Blueface got to, he's like boxing, man. And then they was fighting each other. and she looked like she was doing her right. But I think she's really tough. Let's just see if her toughness equals out with her boxing skills, or her soon-to-be boxing skills. So you're not going to acknowledge my gladiator training.

I will. Cam don't even want to. You know, that gas lighting? I'm not, I'm just, was it. entertainment. Sadd if you want to ask somebody. Go ahead. I'm curious.

Yeah. It's like, I think you're talking about American Ninja Warrior, like one of those like wipe out. You've done something like that face? I'm waiting. I'm not even saying nothing. I'm listening.

You can continue, stat. I'm just, I'm just, we were talking about skills. Okay, man, okay, where was this at, mate, makes, where was this at? Where was it? We wasn't, we wasn't, we wasn't speaking, right? This was the tour of the time we wasn't speaking, right? What part of the Arkansas did they have this event in? Little Rock.

Little Rock. Of course, Little Rock. Where else? Where else? Give us another thing. This niggins crazy, man. I'm confused. We gave you the mic and you're like, Little Rock, that's it.

I'm like, what happened? I can't tell of all my training facilities, you know? People start. Well, it's not the facilities. They start showing up. They start showing up. Who's they? You got to ask Callet.

You got to ask Callet. Who they is? Okay. No, it's that. Go ahead. It's that moderate. Okay, well, before, that's what I'm trying to do. Before I go on to the next part, because now I'm curious, if you guys were asked to be on something like Fear Factor or Survivor or American Ninja Warrior, any of those challenge games, and let's just pretend like the price is right, because I know that's how y'all are going to start.

Would you guys do it? Would you accept the challenge or no? I'm already a ninja. You would have to ask him. Brad. I doubt I would do it. I doubt it. I'm not saying I'm winning, but you got to realize, like, it's different shape for different things, right?

So when you, that's why to me, I give a lot of credit to boxers, tennis players, on track runners. It's not all track, around the swimmer. Things where you can't sub out. Things where it ain't no TV timeout. Things where you got to, it's just you and the other person or you or whoever you're competing against because it's just you. I've seen basketball players. I'm talking about basketball players who play 82 games a season,

not no low management, poor as anything, and get in there in a ring and can't fight five rounds because it's a different training. It's not basketball training where, you know, before the ball go up and down the floor, four-time, five-time straight, it's going to be a whistle. It's going to be a TV timeout. It's going to be a foul where you can get your breath. It's going to be a substitution.

When you're doing those type of shit, Ninja Warrior, boxing, whatever, is not the regular shape of football players or basketball players or somebody like that. So it would take a lot of training. That's what I said, even when I said I've seen her do that, I gave a lot of posture. That's not easy to do. It's no substitution when you're doing all the time. You work different muscles on your body.

Fair point. I would do it. I might not be good, but I just like to test and see what I can do. I remember, like, the NFL had, like, a skills challenge. I don't really know how to throw a football. But the other challenges, I try my best. I don't have to be good.

I just like to see where I can push myself to. Just to see. I think it's fun. You just wanted a video for your TikTok. That's not even what it's about. Like, I could just say I did this. As long as it's not a swimming challenge, we're good. Oh, bucket list.

Because you ain't getting your hair wet, right? No, I can't swim. I literally cannot swim. For real? That's the thing. No. I love the water, though. I love being by the water.

I just can't swim. If you told me to jump off a boat, I don't know if I would be up. So, yeah, we just avoid that type of activity. Okay. last thing before we wrap. So Flage's mom is facing some backlash after defending her daughter after LSU's lost to South Carolina. So she actually jumped on Instagram live and made it clear she believes her daughter is beating South Carolina in real life. She also said Flage is likely to be drafted earlier than any South Carolina player in the 26 WMBA draft and pointed to the LSU's stars jersey sales as part of her

argument. So I know she's defending her daughter, but Mace, do you see this as more helpful or do you see it as more harmful? What did you think of her response? I don't ask me the question against that. Like, what did she say or the question? Like, do you see it as more helpful or harmful that she basically said, I don't care about this loss because my daughter's beating all y'all in life, in real life. And we got more jersey sales and she's just been to outbeat all y'all in the draft. I would say, oh, man,

When it comes to our moms, I think she's really, I think she's really passionate. And I, you know, I don't want to go as someone's mother, but I think that the comment was just a little out of touch in a sense. It's almost like when you're talking to people about skills again, like we was talking about earlier, and somebody brings up money, right? it's not about who got the most money. It's about who's actually the best. When it comes to sports, when it comes to rap, it comes to anything. That's what it boils down to us.

Who's the best? And when you turn the conversation about who's the best until who actually got the most money, I think it kind of like nullifies the question. Not nullifies it, but it's the wrong. it's the wrong answer. It just speaks to how out of touch a person is.

Because when people are poor, they hate for people to tell them they got more money than them. Then people get money and say, I got more money than you. It's like, so then was the person who said it to you before that better than you? Good question. I think it's just, you know, I, look, I don't, you know, I've seen her statement.

I actually watched her clip. Now, I don't know what was said to her to spark this. So I want to put that into consideration as well. So I don't know. It may have been before I say what I say. No, because I don't want to be taken out of context. Because you know, you'll say something. And then somebody would be like, but did you know they call me a nigger?

You know what I'm saying? We don't know where it caused me. Yeah, you're right. You know what I'm saying. But what I will say just from what I'm looking at with that being said, if it was nothing said or nothing with them losing. This is just pure frustration murder. LSU has lost to South Carolina 18 times in a row.

They haven't won since 2014, if I'm not mistaken. You know how frustrating that is? You know how frustrating it is if you play for gauchos and young life just keep winning. You know, you know, that's 12 years. not winning. And, you know, her daughter may be the biggest celebrity on the court, but that's the problem. What you see, she looked at bad because you're turning it into individual thing when it's not an individual game.

Your daughter's team lost, and they've been losing. Before she got there, they was lost. When she was 10 years old, they lost. When she was 14, they lost. She's there now. They're still losing. And she started off a statement. You know how she started murder?

I don't know if you see the actual clip, but she was like, okay, we know the LSU is never going to be South Carolina. We know that. You don't say that. You know what I'm saying? You don't start off with, I know we're never going to be South Carolina.

Maybe one day you will. You don't want to even put that energy in the air, but now, you know, of course you're coming to your kids' defense, but that's that shit they'd be calling the high row, right? When they say, we know that we have. of a superstar. We know that she's going to go high in the draft. We get all this, but can she beat Lee,

her team to beat South Carolina? You turned this into money. You turned this into who's going in the draft. You turned it into who's a better player on the other team and your daughter. Y'all loss and all this stems from a loss. So that's why I had said that disclaimer in the beginning murder, because the way it seems, this is all because you can't beat South Carolina.

and you start your rent off with we know we're not ever going to be South Carolina. Shout to Darcelli, gangcox. Got niggas out of here wilding. Keep doing what you do. That is true. At the end of the day, though,

you know, rooting for flage, I think she is going to go high in the draft. And I think we've seen, even just from her mom to her brother, her family is definitely going to ride for her, regardless, as they should, because, you know, they're her biggest support. but hopefully, you know, these things just don't affect anything.

Like, that's just what I would hate to see. Like, because they're going to be vocal about her because, you know, they want to support her and I totally get that in the frustrations. You just don't want this to eventually turn into something for her post-college career. That's just the only thing that I don't want to happen. Let me ask you real quick, Seth. You think what her mom did with school? Just your opinion, I'm asking.

Honestly, my mom would probably do the same thing, but then that's my responsibility to be like, mom, you need to, because I'm that type of person because it's still about the brand. So regardless of what my mom may think or my dad may think, love y'all bad and they're always going to support me. You all certain things y'all cannot say. That's all. That's my opinion on that.

You can't do that. So that's just my only worry because she says you already know how people get about certain things. You don't want somebody thinking somebody's too cocky. Like you just don't want any of that. You just want to be purely basketball. and that be that. That's what I would say. Okay, y'all. Well, that is all the time that we have for today.

Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.