IT IS WHAT IT IS - MA$E & CAM'RON HAVE HEATED DEABTE OVER LEBRON JAMES' LEGACY & THE #0 CURSE IS GETTING CRAZY!

Episode Date: April 27, 2026

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Welcome back to It Is What It Is. I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your host, Mace, and Cam. Killer, what's good, man? What's good, murder? How are you? I'm doing good, man. Stad, how you doing? I'm so happy to be back.

Are you sick or anything? Yeah, I am, but I'm feeling better. Oh, my goodness. How do you take time off and come back? sick. It did. Well, I don't know. That's backwards.

I don't know. Things just happen. That sucks. But I feel great, though. You know, I feel great. How did you get sick? I don't know. Probably visiting my sister with shout out to my sister because now she's an A.K.A.

So, hey. But yeah. What does that mean? She get to wear pink and green all the time? She does, but she's part of the sorority. Me, her, my mom. Oh, my goodness. So congrats to Jada.

Have to give her a shout out. Did she have to become a, A.K. She didn't have to become anything. She could become what she wants to be. Because she had been a Delta and it would have been accepted in the house. She didn't have to become anything. She chose the right path. That's what I'll say.

So shout out to her. That's what I'll say. It's like bloods and cribs, Kim. It's like bloods and cribs. That's all I'm going to say. It's not the same thing. But I missed y'all. and everybody said all these different things.

Somebody thought I was pregnant. I'm like, no. Oh, my goodness. I tend to. So, yeah, glad to be back. Okay. Your face is glowing. What does that mean?

We're not doing that. We're not doing that. I'm not even fit to entertain that. We're not even fit to do that. But, yes. Okay, so got a lot of basketball to talk about. So we're actually going to start with the Rocket. So the Rockets win their first game of the series, 115 to 96, after forcing 24 Laker turnovers.

So, Mace, what did you think of the effort from the Rockets? And then I guess you could say lack of effort from the Lakers. I should wear my mask. I should pull out my mask right now that I was wearing on the plane. I'm sick of the Rockets. I'm sick of the Rockets. Wait, look. I'm so.

sick of the rocket. You know what? I'll do my whole take like this. I'm so sick of the rockets. If K.D. lets LeBron beat him with his son plan. I'm going to undo everything

I said about KD. I'm serious about this. I'm so sick of the rockets, man. They went out there and they played the way they were supposed to play. But at one point, I saw Brani out there. I said, now they only up six. Katie, come on now.

Y'all got to stop this. This is no good, man. I'm surprised that they're down 3-1, right? I am surprised they're down 3-1. But if KD lets LeBron win this series without him getting another game, I might have to undo everything I thought about Katie, for real. I may ask Cam to get the chain back.

I don't know. Cam, can I get the chain back? back if he goes out 4-1, can we get the chain back? Because you say you're tired of mediocrity, and I'm sick of it. I wore my mask today. I'm sick

of it. So I want to hear what you got to say, Cam. I'm sick of it. Well, now, see, now I got to get personal. KD. got a tattoo this dip set, so it's not just a chain. I may need it covered. I may need it covered. I may need it covered.

I may need it. I'm telling you, if he lose 4-1, I might need him to cover it, man. Now I got to get KD back. I got to get KD back now. I love KD. I'm the biggest KD fan on here. Now, now I got to go KD. See, now I got to, this has nothing to me.

This has nothing to do with me and your brotherhood right here. You know, you come before everybody, but me. We're doing business right now. You know, you talk with a food chain. There's nobody higher. I'm putting my mask on for it. I'm sick of it. So first of all,

I got to get it. I'm sick of it. Go ahead. So I got to go with you not watching the games. I got to start with that. Katie didn't play last night. And neither did Bronny. So therefore I got to go with that.

I got to start with it. You're just not paying attention to what's going on. I got to go there. Ronnie did play. Ronnie did play. But Katie, Yes. Brony, how many minutes did Brony get yesterday?

Ronnie had 15 minutes. Okay, I didn't see Brony play. I must have missed that part. But KD didn't play. And KD., he played one game in the series. He's been hurt. What I would say is just to agree with you makes is that I do want to see him play, but if he's hurt, I'm going to take him out his word.

I know you're not. I don't expect you to. But it doesn't look good. know what's sad about it is that I actually made a bet on this series for Houston with sin. So I said that thinking that Kevin Durand was going to play the entire series, I didn't know he's going to get hurt. But I knew that it was a possibility that Austin Rees wasn't going to play. And I knew it was a definite that Luca wasn't going to play. So actually better in Houston to win this series.

And for them to be down 3-1, it's kind of crazy. I don't take too much stock into the game. game of the Lakers losing. Because let's think about this. They were up 3-0. Luke Kahnar, he came out of nowhere. I didn't even know about this, but I'm not going to act like I knew about him before the playoffs started.

Lakers got white boys on standby when other white boys are out. The white boy game for the Lakers on standby is really crazy. But I will say this. It's good for the Lakers to be going back home right now up 3 to 1. where Austin Reed's possibly playing, and then we actually saw Lucas shooting around on the court. So not saying he's about to play anything, but for the fact that they were saying he would be out for the rest of the seasons,

for him shooting around. And then let's say the Lakers do win the game, their next game five. They may have a little less than a week off, which gives them about five to seven days to possibly get Luca back. this would be a really, really big deal for LeBron to carry this team against a Houston team when we all came into the season, not saying we were putting them against above Oklahoma City

or anything like that. But I know we were definitely having a talk about them being right there with Denver. I know, even on the Spurs of my team, I didn't have the Spurs coming in second. I'm talking about as far as when we were making predictions when the season started. But it was really amazing for LeBron to carry this team to be up 3-1 right now and the possibility of getting help coming back.

But I did see the other day, Mace, with Brony Catcher Ali Upps from LeBron. I'm like, this is getting kind of crazy. Listen, I think you wasn't there the other day, Mace, I don't believe. You might have been there. no matter fact he wasn't there Mason and I said this I said it's just amazing

that LeBron is playing with his sperm on the floor pause his actual his actual sperm his sperm

is on the court bro the sperm pores is on the court he created I was on the plane I didn't see the I didn't see the last game

but I saw Brani on the court and I just flicked it off because I'm thinking if they if he be I don't want to see that if he beats Katie with with with Brony and I didn't know that Katie wasn't on the floor but I was just looking at the game came fresh off the plane thinking if Katie let LeBron beat beat him with his son that's just like I don't know what to say it's good to these hurt because that make me feel better because when I was when I was fresh getting off the plane I saw that I did not like that I did not like that I got everybody calling me mace what's up you are you still with the rockets you know stat put my name out there everybody want to know where is title town at now

this is the kind of year I've been having when I try to be well yeah listen well listen yeah Like I said, the Lakers, to be honest, the Rockers had to win this game. Everybody was in double digits. It was to the point where it was close for a minute, but I didn't expect the Lakers actually went. I was actually cooking and doing all types of shit when the game was on because I seen they were out of it.

Marcus Smart has been exceptional in this series as well. I'm not talking about yesterday's game. I'm just talking about the three games that they won. And this is somebody that, if anybody, I'm rooting for is a market smart because we talked about it before. Him just, you know, when you leave a team and they win immediately after you lose, it's like, God damn, bro. Was it my fault?

Then you get down to Memphis where we just seen how Memphis just debacleed as a team, you know, from off-the-court activities, the trades, to so on and so forth. And you go from Boston, who's, you know, him being in the Eastern Conference final and definitely in a playoff pitcher to get into Memphis. And then you're like, damn, this is fucked up. Because this is a nigga who used to have his hair green when he would play with the Celtics. So just to see him have a good series thus far, I'm kind of rooting for him to have a good series. But we'll see what happens next game.

And if all series will be available. But I think help may be on the way for the Lakers, which I think that they've done enough without their superstars. And I definitely want to give Luke Karnard a lot of credit for that as well. Yeah. And then, Mace, I want to ask you this real quick before we move on. So we've seen Katie's only played one game this series, which sucks because we do want to see them be able to have that matchup. Yeah, I can take my mask off now. You're not sick right now.

I know you bring up you don't really want to see LeBron and Brony beat Katie. And even though Katie's not playing by default, that's still the team. If that does happen because we're seeing where the series is going, does that make LeBron your goat? I said he's definitely in that conversation. If he beat K.D., but Katie ain't playing. So then I don't know if I could give him that because Katie wasn't playing. But if you were to beat KD there, I said I was going to put him right there with Jordan. I was going to stand on it.

But the basketball guards didn't have KD playing. Maybe that's why they didn't have KD playing. Why you get mad at me? I'm not mad. You asked me a question. I'm answering the question. The basketball guards don't want this. Yeah, you're consistent, so I'm not bad.

The basketball guards didn't want it. The bubble. It's like, so when do we? The basketball guards didn't want it. This was the one to do it. And if Katie was healthy and he beat him with his son, we have to put him up there. We would have to, you know, but Katie wasn't playing.

What you want me to do? No, that's your take. Camp, do you agree with his? logic before we move on. Just getting some clarification. That was valid. Why we got to ask Cam about this? Just thinking if you guys are on the same page. All right, go ahead. What's the question? Basically,

Mace's take is, Katie's technically not playing, so it depends, but if LeBron and Brani beat Katie in this series, does this make LeBron? I said I was going to put him right there with yours. If he beat Katie, but Katie wasn't playing. So

for me, for me, it's like this. And I've decided nothing to do a Mace take. This is my take. Michael Jordan is Margot. But LeBron, year after year, is closing the gap. Whether he beats, whether he wins this series or not, like, you know, it's crazy because, because you can pause if you want to pause it, but like, you have no Luca, you have no Orseries, they're not. And you're thinking, even though, like, I

the KD only play one game in this series, you're thinking, okay, cool, they should not be up three zero, even though it's three one now. They're up three zero. So even to me, like I said, Mesa had to take earlier before this, like this is LeBron's legacy on the line

if he doesn't win it. To me, that wasn't my opinion. My opinion is he's done way too much, just period. Like you got to think about this, talking about legacy. And, you know, people have different takes on this, right? To me, it's harder to just do it with one team,

pause. Like, you know, year in and year out, you do it with the same team. And then we can argue if Jordan may have seven or eight rings if you didn't go play baseball. The reason why we see time shift, right? And they be like, yo, y'all old niggas, y'all niggas always join this,

always join that magic Johnson Library. I can't get madly niggas who say that because I used to do it to other niggas to say it to me like, y'all my niggins ain't seen a nigga Will Chamber. I used to say, if you ain't see it, it's hard to process. And YouTube doesn't do it for you. You can't get the aura and the feeling from going to the clips of YouTube no matter how much music and slow motion they put behind it. It was just you had to be there.

And if you wasn't there, you just wasn't there. and I think the more that people say, yo, Jordan this or Magic Johnson out or whatever, whatever, whatever. I think it makes younger people make it more distant from one to fuck with somebody like,

the more we bring it up, the more young are like, whatever. Whatever. I'm tired of y'all watch that you black and white TVs and all the... They don't care what you say and makes you turn them off even more. But for me, to why...

And I, you know, I say it in a funny way. But to actually watch somebody play, create a player from scratch. It's crazy. Like, my nigger, a nigger out there's why I watch some shit. Brony is on the court at two years old when Braun is playing. He's two. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, sitting on the bench.

Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. Yeah, like so to me that's crazy. If you can manipulate the system to where we're talking about players getting traded in the middle of night or not just that getting traded at halftime. Did we see earlier this season, Tray Young giving niggins high five at halftime after a game, talking about I see y'all later. If niggas, if general managers or owners or GM, whatever, could do that to you, but you have the power to be above that and reverse the system, I'm not mad at that. If you can hug up with D. Wade and Chris Boss and say, look, let's get this popping. And there y'all went, I'm not mad at the players manipulating that option.

I'm not mad at the player saying, you know what? Cleveland hasn't won a championship since 1952. I'm not talking about basketball. I'm talking about the city. I think Jim Brown was the running back for the Cleveland Brown's last time they won something. Oh, no one. I like Andrew Wiggins, but he ain't going to get me a championship in no time in the near future. Get rid of that nigga, bring me and Kevin Love.

All right, cool. Then you win a championship. The only reason you may not have won more championships is because Goldest State acquired Kevin Durant. And then you say, okay, you know what? I got a lot of business going on on the West Coast. I'm going to go with another historic franchise which is taking a risk going to the Lakers

with all the great players. The Lakers, I'm talking about from Magic Johnson to Biden and Scott, to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, to Jerry West, to so on and so forth, to Kobe Bryant, to Shaquille O'Neal. You go there. like, oh, you're not a real Laker if you don't win a championship. What do they do?

They figure out another way to get Anthony Davis to come over there and win the championship, whether it's in the bubble or not in the bubble. People question that and put an asterisk next to it. But I think this is all the great, great, amazing moves. Now, I know it boils down to what you do in the basketball court, and it comes down to numbers. But if we're talking numbers, even though he played way more years than Michael Jordan, he has the most points in NBA history.

He has the most He's at the top of the list For like seven or eight different statistics You pass Karima Abdul Jabbar With Karim Addu, Jabbar has to come on the court Give you the ball Because in the middle of a game Because you have the most point out

With a great guy over With a dude Jabbaugh Passing the ball with an attitude You just fuck this right here and take it You know attitude Scream ain't even want to come Pause so to me Michael George stood there

But the argument year after year After year is getting smaller for me If he wins another championship, I don't know what to say. Because let's say he wins a championship. I don't think it's going to happen this year. Let's say it does happen this year, Mace, right? I'm asking you this, right? Mace.

If he wins a championship this year, he has four rings, right? If he wins, he has four tips in there. If he wins a ring this year, Brody wins a ring this year, that's six rings. I get it. This is your guy. I get it. He's not wrong, though. I get it.

It's not wrong. I get it. This is your guy. I get it. I get it. They're still wearing the Jordans right now. They're not in Coachella and LeBron's, man. They ain't Coachella and Jordans, man.

You're not wearing retro Bronis, man. You're wearing retro shorts, man. The killer, I get it. There's six rings. That was a great ploy. Shout out to Rich Paul, Chris Paul. And all the Pauls, right?

This is, this is, this train is left, man. This train is left the building, man. I don't, I don't, I just don't think it's comparable. Like, for real. And with my basketball IQ, I don't think it's comparable. I think you patting stats. You know how a nigga Pat stats. It, a nigga gets 60.

That don't mean he's better than you. He just got 60. Two things can be true, though. It can be, because people can still wear the door. But like he said, that is about two rings. And we're talking about the series. No, I'm saying if he wins a championship with his son, is it a memorable moment? Yes.

I'm not saying it's not, but it doesn't put him. We keep moving the goalposts of what greatness is about. Because that's a goalpost that wasn't even there, though. You know what I'm saying? This is what greatness is about. Greatness is about having great adversity in. still performing. That's what it's about. It's not about all of the things we're talking about. It's about, and when you join teams, you lessen the difficulty. It's just, that's what takes

greatness, you know? Yeah. I mean, you took it away. I can't do nothing about that. When Mike bit Holyfield ear, right? We can't unseated he bit his ear. That's, he bit his ear. We knew Mike was this before, but once he bit his ear, I got to count that. I got to count that in the legacy. I can't remove that out of the legacy because, you know, it's like me rapping and leaving rap, right? I can't take that out of the legacy that's in there. So whatever you're going to do, it got to be greater than that because that's what you did, right? You joined teams.

You joined a team with two other niggas and got chips. I can't undo that. But I don't understand what that's the pattern exactly. Because Mike ain't winning no championship without Scotty Pittman. But then after Harvest Grant left, they actually lost the Horace Grant in them niggas. And when he came back with Orlando, so what you go do? Get a better Horace Grant with Dennis Rodman. A better version of it.

He don't win no championship without a great small for it and a great power for it. It's just, that's the way it is. No team is the same every year. It's no team is the same every year. I get it. I get it. It's not, it's, it's, it's cool. I fuck with Bronn, but it's just the facts too.

Ron is. We're not going to ignore those facts. Ron is not better than joy. I don't know anybody watching the game that will really think that, like in their real mind. If they don't know either one of them. And they just watch this highlight and this highlight. But see, is this better? You're misinterpreted in my take.

You're misinterpreted in my take. I said he's closing the gap. And it's a bunch of people that would say LeBron is way, way better than George. Do I agree with us? A lot of people. Yeah. And there's something wrong with them. And there's something wrong.

They may say the same about you. They may say the same about you. They could. But the basketball of gods would not agree. He's not paying attention. You don't want to give Bron his credit. He's a Bronner. Let me tell you something.

Even the people that used to say that Kareem and them and Will and them was better, after they saw Jordan, they even came to the senses. No, this is something different. This is something different. And LeBron is. That's not the case, too. I got people who got Kareem number one. I know people who.

See. And keep that, Nick. And keep that. Whenever somebody starts to not be truthful on this show, somehow the feed just goes out. I don't know. The whole thing about it is you're making an argument about somebody who's not arguing with you. You're just not paying attention to people's other people's logic

and making your logic about your logic. not arguing with you. I'm just telling you other people's playing. Michael George is my gun. What's their logic? Some people still say that Kareen is better than Michael Jordan. It depends on how old you are when you grew up at. It's people that say LeBron is better than Michael Jordan. I don't say that. I'm saying that LeBron is clothing the gap for me year after year on what he's doing. You have to understand that you got to understand that LeBron has longevity. And this is part of the stuff that I don't agree with,

but this is why they're using low management as an excuse. They're saying that the reason people are doing low management so you have a longer career. You got Charles Barkley that was tied in 36. You got Dwayne Wade who tied in 36. You got Isaiah Thomas who retired in 32. Magic Johnson only played 12 years. Labby Bird only played 12 years.

These players are playing longer. You got KD. this 38. You got Steph Curry is going to be. $30. Brown's going to be 41 because they say rest, medicine, et cetera.

Now, I'm not agreeing with that. I'm just telling what people say because you act like I'm arguing with you, but I can't sit here and ignore what people think.

I'm not the one arguing with you, brother. No, that's, they can have that logic all they want. It's people that believe that is people

that believe a lot of things and put logic on it that's not actually true. But, you know, that's what makes, This is actually, when I'm telling you, this is actually true that Larry Bird played 12 years. It's actually true that Charles Brockley retired in 36. It's actually true that Duane Wade LaReyer retired at 36.

This is not logic. This is a fact that these players retired at this time. That's not logic. It's just the truth. All right. If we're talking logic, it's actually true to symptoms of steroids. Now, if you want us to have a conversation about what's actually true, we could have that conversation, because I can explain it on the natural, on the supernatural, on science,

however you want to explain it. He's not better than Jordan. He's not saying it. Explain what you mean when you say steroids, because I don't know what you're talking about. I would like to hear the logic on this. Go ahead. We are time. Go ahead.

Tell us what you mean. I mean, Nick back there putting the thumbs up, tell them to pull up what steroids do to the physical box. I don't think. What? Let's go, Stad up. I'm not going down that. Who are you accusing of being on steroids? I'm not going down that.

I'm not going down that. Why bring it up? Why bring it up if you don't want to talk about it? Because we're choosing somebody on steroids? Because we're talking about logic. If we're talking about logic, then we got to stick with everything that's on that. logical stage. We don't get to just put one person in the logics that go for the player. We got to put the things out there that logically don't make sense. They're both logic.

But you're not explaining and being accurate or you're being passive about what you're talking about. I'm not being passive. I'm not, I'm just not ready to reveal all my sources. It sounds like you. This ain't really like you. I'm really disappointed. To be honest with you. To be honest, I don't even need the logic. Me too. I don't even need that logic. For me, for me, when I'm going to just say it like this,

everything that we're talking about with LeBron, we understand that there's certain things that the NBA works out for LeBron. I'm cool with that, but you can't, the way my eyes work, you can't blind these eyes and make me see stuff that ain't true. I know what the real truth is. If you need me one day to come up here with truth, I will do that. But right now is not the time I'm going to do that's what you should be doing. That's what you should do.

Oh, that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to do that just for you instead, just for you all for you all to have that. Yes. Because I'm a lot of God. I'm going to take what you're saying since you don't want to say. I'm in place. To me, it seems like you're implying LeBron is on steroids. That's what it seems like you're implying if you don't want to disagree with that.

I'm implying that once I get my, my every single thing that steroids do, I'm just going to give you the logic. And you tell me who's on steroids. Anyway, since you don't want to be committed to what you're saying, I'm going to say some things. I'm very committed. I'm very committed. You're not saying what you're saying. And I'm going to bring the whole list in it. We're here every day.

So it ain't, you know, we're going to do a case study. Okay. That's what it sounds like. Anyway, what we're talking about. What we're talking about we can have facts about. And that way it's not my logic or your logic. This is just what it does. Seems like Mace is implying that LeBron's on steroids.

But like I was saying, you got Jamal Crawford, who is 40 years old, who scored 50 points. And he's still busting ass. It's just that the NBA is not going to put him in there. Vince Carter can still do windmill dunks. He's 42, 43 years old. The NBA is just not going to put him in there. but Nor Hopkins winning won a championship at 48 years old in boxing. They're just not going to put him as a championship contender.

George Foreman won a heavyweight championship at 44 years old. So maybe they're all on steroids. I have no idea what Mesa's talking about, but let them come with the logic for them. Maybe they are. Maybe two of the ones you talked about were enhanced. Well, what about the three that I'm, maybe the other three that I mentioned. Maybe if you work out every day and eat right and don't do any bad habits, cool. You just said that you like Floyd.

Floyd is 49 years old. I do like Floyd. He don't drink. He don't smoke. He jog every day. He's still beating niggins up the last time we checked. Is he on steroids? He's a big advocate of a gift steroids.

So I don't think that it's necessarily age. It's about how you take care of your body. And that's what's really important. But I wait for the fact sheet. I was just getting the audience because I think we're all a little confused than where you were going with it. So. No, there's nothing to be confused about.

We're going to do the case study. Yeah, waiting for the case study because I don't know nothing about this logic. So he's everybody over 40 who's good. I think Mace is basically saying they're on steroids. That's what I took from. I don't add. There's no need to add anything to what I'm saying. I'm saying I do believe this is my personal opinion.

I do believe LeBron has enhanced his body. Pause. I do believe that 100%. So it's not about everybody else. But this is the first time you're saying it. Everybody else. I'm putting it right on the person I'm talking about. But of course.

But this is the first time you said it in seven minutes. We've been asking for you to say it. Because it's not. It's not. When I speak, I like to have the facts in front of me. I don't like to speak what I feel without the facts in front of me. So the way you're communicating, you're trying to get me to say something that I'm not ready to share until I have the facts. Once I have the facts, I could say, okay, you saw this young lady in the car with this guy.

You saw this young lady buy condoms. You saw this lady walk out a hotel. You know, once you put it all together, you can come to the conclusion that she didn't do nothing. But that would be the way they think. I think if she was in the car, she had condoms, she went in the hotel. She came out with a guy. She did something. Yeah.

That's just the way I... My thing is, how am I trying to get you to say something? When you implied that I can't read your mind, I'm not trying to get you to say that. You put all the other guys in there that I wasn't talking about. Like, you put Bernard Hopkins, you put George Foreman, all of these players. I'm talking about Ron James. All right, but that's the first time you said it a minute ago.

We talked about seven minutes, so I was trying to get down to the... I didn't know. because you implied it, and then you was like, I'm not going to say nothing. So now we know who you're talking about. I get it. We'll do a case study. We'll come back to it. There's a lot of things to discuss, a lot of things that we're seeing.

But of course, shout out to the Rockets for winning this game because that's really who I think a lot of us thought who were going to win this series to begin with. So even seeing that Lakers took the lead, like Cam said that gap is starting to close and we will see what happens over time. So moving on to this next game, which is actually one of my favorite series. So the Knicks, even the series with a game for win, beating the Hawks 114 to 98, Mace. Are we looking at a real momentum shift? Or do you see this?

It's just like a temporary game? I really wanted that game to go differently because just to see how things would play out. I think right now because they were able to get this game on the Hawks floor, I think it kind of dampers the whole morale that they had. I'm not sure how they return because this is a young team. Normally when teams are young, they have to build that confidence right now because the Knicks were able to go in Atlanta and get this type of game. And it seemed like they jumped out on them from the beginning.

You know, they made sure that they were running. They were doing everything. They weren't doing the first couple of games. So it looked like the coach is fully regrouped. Snyder has regrouped and got this team to play. I mean, Brown had got this team to play better than Snyder got the group to play. And it just seemed like the Knicks have found their stride. Even it looks like, remember I said earlier in the year, if Jalen Brunson would score less, they would win.

And people didn't get that logic because they so used to them getting 30 and 20 and 25. But to be the type of team, they need to win, they're going to have to have other players that get points. order for players to play well and get points, they got to get the ball. And when you're taking a bulk of the shots as the point guard, the team is not going to have the flow that they need to win games. So his success with scoring so many points actually come back to being in the Killy Hills as they go on in the series because even when they get to the next ground, they don't have enough confidence in the other players. And that's what always trumps the next victories. But This was a great win for the Knicks.

I look forward to the Knicks. Probably will win the next one. Okay. Kim. Yeah, the Knicks came out and punched the Lanna in the face. That's what happened. And the lefts were basically from the beginning of the game. And the ruffs, this game to me was rough differently from game three.

The refs kind of let them play. And the Knicks was all right with the physicality. You know, picking Atlanta's pocket. C.J. McCullough having trouble getting past people. Excuse me. Alvarado. Jalen Brunson had went to the locker room for, you know, for a few minutes. It wasn't that long. Twister's ankle.

Came back fairly quick. But during that time, that's when the Knicks actually went on the run. Alvarado was a pest picking pockets, hiding behind people, stealing the ball. And the ref was letting them get away with a little more physicality in game four than they did in game three. and the Knicks loved it. And I think they like it, and I think Atlanta didn't like the physicality. And after that happened, they never was able to bounce back. You could see it in their morale as the game went on.

And the Knicks were just hype about it. I think that the Knicks should go home and win this game. If they win this game, this next game, whoever wins this next game, wins the series. And I think the Knicks should win this next game going home. I would love to see how this game is going to be officiated because game three, to me, it was little tic-tie-tack fouls here and there. as in game four, it wasn't.

And I liked it better like that. Atlanta's just going to have to step up if the game's going to be referee like that and say, okay, cool. They're letting us hand check a little bit. They letting us bump and ground pour, so to speak, when you're on the box. They have to get used to that. And if that's the way it's going to be officiated, I don't know if Atlanta is tough enough for that.

We'll see what happens. Yeah, we definitely saw a lot of problems with Atlanta in this specific game because my original take, like I said it was going to go seven games, and I thought that the Hawks were going to have the upper ham, which we did kind of see from the first couple of games, especially from the way that C.J. McComb has playing, because he's really been the villain for the Knicks. But even just, like, little issues, like when Jalen Brunson had to go to the locker

room for a little bit because he had an injury, like they didn't pick up, like the Hawks didn't take advantage of his absence and even just little things toward the end. And then Kat, to me, still had a phenomenal game. So I think now the Knicks have got that kind of backup. Are they going to be able to maintain it? Kind of like, Cam, you just said, you think they won this next game. Mace, you also said they win this next game. Then I think that they can seal the deal.

But I mean, if the Hawks do figure something out, which they might, because they've just been a little pulling here, pulling there. You never really know where it's going to go. But I do think that this next game, the Knicks got. So we'll see if they'll be able to take it over. And it's looking like they might be able to. Okay. So the Timberwolves, they lose Antman. and DiVincenzo, what happens next?

We will discuss after the break. Welcome back. So game four, Timberwolves beat the Nuggets, 112 to 96. So Timberwolves lose DeVinceneges. Senzo to a torn Achilles and Anthony Edwards will be out for multiple weeks with a bone bruise. Not news that we like to hear. But, Mace, how does this reshape the team's outlook?

And then what did you think about the game? Oh, man. This is one of those things that I talk about. I hate when teams win and can advance the win, right? Like, they get the win, but they won't be around for the next series. It's almost like you get beat by somebody that loses the championship. This team, they're going to go on, I think even with this, they may go on to lose the Denver, right? And then Denver ends up winning, and then they go on the plate.

But I think this whole, how could I put it, this Minnesota team, they can't catch a good stride. It's like last year or the year before they beat them, then they lose the Denver. I meant Dallas to go to the championship. this team been supposed to be at somewhere in the championship because I think they will win it if they get there. I think Ant Man will rise to the occasion and do what's necessary. Like I talk about on a team, that's his team that just was a team. He just got on that team and took him to the championship.

That's what I'm talking about, greatness. That would be greatness for Ant Man. Not if he have to leave there and go play with, somebody else to get a championship. I don't count that as greatness. I really think this Minnesota team is, they got to trade this team. They got to blow this team up.

If it keeps coming to this, they got to blow this team up. I wouldn't stick with this team. Okay, Cam. Yeah, really sad for Minnesota. Well, we'll start with Denver. Denver is. just not going to work with just Jamal Murray

and the Joker. We see, we talked about them actually the year they won with the help they had. They're not getting it from Gordon. You're not getting any scoring off the best. Bruce Brown is not producing like he did when they won the championship. And to me, the coach is not coaching

the seat shit because he's scared the Joker. Also, you're not going to win any game, shooting six from 28 from three. Now, back to Minnesota, that hyper extension, you know, I don't know what injury stats that he said, but I see when it happened for Ant Man. It should look really bad. So I don't know what his timeline is. They set a few weeks. I don't know if that's going to, even if they beat Denver, because they're up

three to one right now. If they do end up beating them, I agree with me. I don't know if he's going to work in the next round. It depends on when you get Edman back and what kind of Ant Man. Pardon me, you're going to get when he does come back. But I want to give a lot of props to A-O. You know, I don't want to say his last name because I don't want to mispronounce it, but A-O, off the bench, 42 minutes, 43 points. The game before that, he had 25, 27 points. He's been really productive, energized of money. And I'm looking like, listen, if anybody took an opportunity at the time to shine was A-O, his name's actually A-O, it's A-Y-O. He's killing out there. And I want to give him a lot of props, man, because the last two games, he is bust.

Denver asked. Like I said, off the bench, they get 42 minutes. 42 minutes or 43 points is a killer. And they actually outscored Denver's bench. Their start, pardon me, Minnesota's bench, actually outscored their starters. So it goes to show that they have a decent bench, but how far is that going to get you? I will say this, that Denver needs to take some pride, knowing Ant Man and D. Ventino, their starting back court is not playing, at least the rest of this series. this is the time for urgency to try and win this series. Even though dare you're down 3-1, this is the time to do it. Both, you have a superstar not playing and a pretty decent guard in the even Chenzo not playing.

What the fuck are y'all going to do? You need to do something now. And not only not, even though the Joker's been giving his numbers, Rudy Gobert, credit to him has been doing a pretty decent job against the Joker, you know, not making life easy for him down in the number. the pain. You know, we know he's more athletic, but he's causing Joker problems, out rebounding him in certain situations. You know, it's not blocking shots, deflecting shots. You know, I'm not a big Rudy Go Bair fan, but in this series, he's actually doing well.

Last thing I'll say is this about the series. The number zero is crazy. Four players in this last two post seasons with the number zero saw their Achilles. And I mean, I'm a superstitious knick. out of there you have the number zero. You got Tyrese Halliburton, you got Tatum, you got Damian Lillard, and now you got Devencenzel. I don't know what it's about. I don't know who do the juju on them with them numbers. Number zero, Achilles is not equal enough. The last two post seasons.

Yeah, that's scary. And I hope they have a speedy recovery because we already seen, like, Jason Tatum is really the only person who's been able to really bounce back from that. So the zero thing, I don't want to put it out there. It's the fact the reason why this is the worst time of the season to get this injury for somebody like DeNchendo because you're going to miss probably all of next season. We're practically in May. Everybody's not going to heal in 10 months like Jason Taylor. And we haven't seen Kyrie all season.

I'm not saying he had the same injury, but I'm just saying that we're not, we didn't see them all season. And everybody's not going to rush back. I think that Jason Tatum decided to come back because it's, not saying he wasn't ready, but because his team is still in contention to win the championship. This is a terrible time to meshette Kelly's up, but now you're potentially missing all of next year, all of next season. Yeah. So there's one altercation I want to talk about real quick before we go to this next game. So Jaden McDaniel actually took a layup in the closing seconds while they already had the lead.

And Yokic was pretty upset by that. He actually talked about it in the post-game presser talking about how he felt it was disrespect. So he actually ran up on Jada McDaniels kind of confronted him. It was a big shuffle. They had to kind of move everybody apart. He was actually fined 50K for the altercation and Julius Randall was fined 35,000. But Mace, do you think Yokic was justified by being, and being upset for what had happened after seeing what happened? The NBA have, in the NBA, there's an unwritten rule.

But if it's unwritten, you don't have to follow it. You could try to follow it. if it's not written, you don't have to follow it. I think that's subjective to the person that got the ball. If I got the ball, you don't get to tell me I could take a layup or not. It could be considered sportsmanship. We're already winning to just dribble the clock out, but what if I don't want to dribble the clock out? I think that's all subjective to the person. I think you guys got to have that camaraderie and you got to have that respect for each other. but sometime when people have a chip on their shoulder against another team or against another player,

like I saw that in the Zion game, Zion went and got the dunk, you know. He went and did a windmill dunk, and you would say you're not supposed to do that. So I see some players do it and some players honor it. And I guess it's subjective to the person that got the ball. Okay, Cam. Yeah, I kind of agree. It's 48 minutes on the clock, play till it's over. I think what Homeboy did on Minnesota, I'm not going to lie.

Me personally, I thought it was unnecessary, but it's 48 minutes. You got to play till the clock is over. Me personally, would I have done it? No, I wouldn't have done it. I thought it was totally uncalled for. But I do understand that it's 48 minutes. it's a bunch of times I've seen when

Damian Lillet got into it with Chris Paul this isn't a random thing where this just happened one time it's a bunch of unwritten rules that people like Mason said though if it's not written

you could do it his take was great it's subjective but me personally that shit he did I wouldn't do that shit I want to ran the clock out we actually see people

running the clock out and take the violation let's say you up 20 points with and the shot clock runs out. There's 38 seconds left and the shot clock runs out. They'll take the violation and just dribble the ball out and give it to the other team and let them take it because they're already up 28 points. Some people just say it's distasteful and, you know, it's not part of the game, but it's

48 minutes in the game. I'll just say, because I know like, yes, unwitting rule, but like he's just mad. And I understand him being mad because he hasn't been playing his best. And when I say him, I'm talking about the Joker. But I'm just not with people when they mad about like a game or like just other things taking it out on other people. Like he could have just went straight back to the locker room. But then you want to run up on the dude. And he's a big dude.

Like I just feel like all that didn't need to happen. Because yes, the layup is unnecessary. But if you're mad, you could just express your anger in a different way. You don't got to run off on a dude because that doesn't do anything for you. But I mean, he stood by what. he said. So if he's comfortable with that cool, but I just don't even think that there is a need for all that either, in my opinion, Joker just has to play better his next game. And it's crazy when you say play better because his stats are already way better than everybody else, but it's not

Joker's, like it's not where he should be playing, if that makes sense. That's what I'll say. No, Joker was, he was wrong because the ball was all the way down court, right? So if the ball is all the way down court. I mean, thinking about it, if we're right there half court and I got the ball, you know, dribble it out. But if you throw the ball and I'm down the court by myself, try some crazy, you know, some crazy layup or just stay there to everybody come down to court. I just feel like anything else. And then he ran all away from down that part. That's what I'm saying. You're just mad. It happens, though.

I understand his anger. The thing about it was that the thing about that situation for me is the reason the joke is mad is because I'm not saying this right or wrong. I'm just giving probably his perspective. It's that now, like May said, everybody's on this end of the court. They throw a damn to him. He lays the ball up and it's only 1.4 seconds left. So now we got to run all the way back down. We thought he was going to run right out and take the ball out to end the game because the game still isn't over.

After he laid it up, it was still time on the clock. So now niggas is like, you're going to make us running all the way down here and take the ball. I'm not saying that's right. I'm just trying to say where he came from. You ran down there anyway to run down on the niggins. So, you know, whatever. Okay. So the Raptors beat the Cavs 93-289.

The series is now tied. Maze, how do you feel about the series being tied in it getting to this point? You said the Raptors? Yes. This is an interesting series because I didn't expect it to be this entertaining, right? It's looking like, like, again, like even with James Harden, as well as, as good as he's playing, because he's playing pretty decent. He got about 19, 8, 8 assists.

So he's playing really good. But it just seemed like if there's somebody that could lose it, this will be that team that will be that first. round upset. The first round upset. This is a first round upset alert. This is the team that could lose in the first round. That's what I'm thinking. Every time I'm watching the game. Because it doesn't seem like they have that killer instinct to put Toronto away. They keep allowing it to be competitive. And I think the more and more they allow it to be competitive, all they're doing is growing confidence as Toronto. And then at some point, they're going to start playing better. And they've been playing cool, but they've been winning games just playing cool.

They haven't been playing like super phenomenal. But I think in the next five to seven games, that they'll even start playing better. So I'm looking at this being the first, the first round that's a surprise setup that's going to be, the Cavs is out. Um, it's kind of, to me, it's kind of, when I watch this game, I watch this whole game. And it's kind of to me, like when, and I'm not comparing this, this tangent that I'm about to name this, this duo. But it's kind of like when LeBron and D. Way first got with each other. You're deferring. You go do it. You go do it.

And that's what I'm getting out of James Hart. Like, I don't want to just come here, spite of you bring it up, but James Hart and you shoot. And it's kind of like their chemistry. Mesa alluded to it last week. I believe that it isn't like this is a team who played together from the beginning of the season. They're trying to figure it out as they go along. And that's what this game seemed like to me.

Even on the coaches part, the last play when you got Donovan Mitchell just trying to play hero ball and taking a wild three-point shot that was unnecessary and they could have ran a play and maybe fouled and maybe maybe. It was other options besides what Donovan Mitchell did. And then, you know, James Harton, bring the ball up.

And then he says, matter of fact, you bring the ball up, Donovan Mitchell. It just seems like they're indecisive and key moments. To the other hand, you know, not saying they shot the ball great, but Brandon Ingram stepping up, R.J. Barris stepping up. And the surprise for me is Scotty Barnes. Scotty Barnes had a hell of a game. He was real physical, taken to the basket. You know, it was a dunk that he missed.

that would have been crazy for the probably would have a play of the playoffs if the dunk actually went in. And they're kind of taking it physically to Cleveland. And what looks like Cleveland is trying to figure it out in key moments. So this is something definitely to keep an eye on because James Harton and Donovan Mitchell, even though we sit in and say they go out in the playoffs, I was the one who say not necessarily in the first round. And we'll see that could I be mistaken? because this is absolutely the most talented back court in the East Coast

if you're putting it on paper. But on paper, it doesn't matter on the court and in between the lines matter. So we'll see what happens. But big shot out, I don't want to sit here and say what James Hardin and Donovan Mitchell aren't doing. I'd rather give the credit to what the Raptors are doing. And R.J. Barrett, Scotty Barnes, and Ingram has stepped up to the occasion, the title of series up.

Okay, and this next game. So the Magic beat the Pistons, 113 to 105 Mace. Are you surprised the Magic is leading this series, or do you think this is who they've always been building towards? No, I'm very surprised with this series. I thought when Kay came back, that it was going to be a foregone conclusion that they would just run past the magic. But what do I expect? They're getting guard play. They're getting their team to. respond to the challenge and that's what you want I mean I think they're overachieving I'm not sure how long they can continue this overachievement but but right now they're definitely overachieving I think everybody was expecting I know I was

expecting Detroit to be right there with either the Knicks or Boston in the Eastern Conference final and it's looking like that's another it's gonna be some upsets yeah it's gonna definitely be some upsets I'm not to say this is one of them, but I wouldn't be surprised. Hey, Camp. I'm actually a little bit surprised because Kay Cunningham came back off injury, looking smooth, Detroit looking good, you know. But, you know, if you looked at them, I didn't take much heed to it

because of where Detroit finished with their record-wise being the number one seed in the Eastern Conference. I didn't think that the regular season matchup mattered that much. but Orlando actually had a better record head-to-head against Detroit this season. They were actually two-on-one against Detroit. And I didn't think that was factoring to the playoffs, but some teams have each other's number. And Orlando may be one of these teams that have Detroit number.

Am I shocked that Detroit is losing? Yes, I am. But if we're looking at what happened during the regular season, they actually have a better record. This is a team when we're talking about the Orlando Magic that were in the playing, and we were talking about their coach possibly being fired a day or two if they didn't make it to the playoffs. And now we're sitting there talking about them possibly upsetting the Detroit Pistons. So this is how quick it goes and the turn of events for the Orlando Magic.

Congratulations to the coach. I don't know if he keeps his job, they lose this series. But right now he's looking pretty good. and the Detroit Pistons art. Last year we talked about how Cleveland won a plethora games. They were the number one seed. And he's like, oh, Cleveland is, Cleveland. It didn't translate when it came to the playoffs.

So I'm not saying the number one seed doesn't matter on the East Coast because we see that it does matter on the West because the number one team on the West is doing what the number one team on the West should be doing. So it's the number two team. But as far as the number one seat on the East Coast, this is possibly two years straight that you have a great team that's going to get eliminated early.

We'll see what happens next. But I am very shocked that Detroit is losing. But if we're going by what happened in a regular season, Orlando probably knew this. We got these niggas numbers. We know these niggas. I know this nigger right here. That's how some people feel.

And we'll see what happens next game. Yeah. Seeing it now is shocking. But to me, it all around makes just for a good playoff watch because I don't like to already know who you kind of think. Yeah, because even when we all made our first picks, a lot of our picks are off because we're kind of like, oh, where this team have that coming from?

But it's good. Like, it's good for the game. So I like it. Okay. So this last thing before we wrap, we have a statement from Megan the Stallion, who has called it quits with Clay Thompson after posting this on her stories. She said, cheating, had me around your whole family playing house, got cold feet, holding you down through all your horrible mood swings and treatment.

towards me during your basketball season. Now you don't know if you can be monogamous. I need a real break after this one. Bye y'all. Mace, what's your opinion on the public statement given all the clips, videos, pictures, things we've seen in the relationship. Who cheated?

She claims Clay Thompson. Cheated. She got evidence? It's just the post. I don't know about that. I don't know. I don't really want to talk about Megan Estalia. This is just, it's like, what was she expecting?

What was she expected? No, for real, what was she expecting? She did with Clay Thompson. What was supposed to happen? You tell me from Black Girl Magic, what was supposed to happen? What was the expectation? Yeah. From what I've seen, I thought they were going to get married.

Why? That's what it looked like from what I've seen, from the outside looking in. What make you say they was going to get married? I mean, Clay's at that point in his life where it looks like he's ready to settle down. You know, he's with the Mavs, not playing as good as he was. The public post. He never post public relationships from what I've seen. I haven't, I mean, I've seen posts from her previous relationships, but they were very.

Then like the Thanksgiving, like a lot of things. Yes. All right. Does, and not, not towards Megan, but just the question. Does settle down mean settle? No. So what does settled down have to do with it? Settled down means what does it have to do with it?

That's what you're asking. To me, settled down means we're going to choose each other and stop talking to other people. That's what I would think. Oh, okay. I want to hear what Cam got to say about this because this whole idea with Megan Estali and I think her reputation precedes her. And because of reputation for Caesar, when things go,

go a certain way, you don't get the good fortune of it. Cam. I told me that's just another day. I don't know what show I said on. Stop making your relationships public. Stop doing it, bro. Megan the Stallion started with, and before I said something about making the Steyn, people got mad, but it's public.

It started with money bag, yeah, right? And Torrey Lanes, I'm looking at Alicia. And then rapper Party Fonteins. You know Party Fontein? Yes. See, I don't know parties. He's a songwriter. He's a songwriter.

Then you got, I don't know, Romeo Lemieux, well, I'm saying his name on you with a soccer player. And Tori Craig from the Chicago Bulls. Clay Thompson, look. And he was supposed to, the maria? No, he wasn't supposed to marry a cast a list. Wait, no, because I said why he crack his neck like that.

But that's, bro, no, Masted, but now the question, I know you're not done with your take because I don't want to cut you off. When you read the list and he's saying, no, like, if everybody's list was plastered, what do you mean? Like, no, that list goes like this. That list goes like this. Do not. You're not. Yes.

Go ahead. Yeah. No, you're correct. You were talking. You're right. Yeah. The whole thing about it is this, right? You're saying,

stat, what if everybody's list is plastered? That's the thing. Everybody's list is not plastered. So when you push up information public and people have opinionate of what's going on because it's public, you can't get mad at people being opinionated

because you have a public relationship. I just said this. I said, I'm not sure if y'all wasn't here or where I said it. I said I would never do another public relationship because they always go with the girl whether you're right or wrong

and differ anything else. Matter of fact, Mace was on because Mace said, I forget who he's talking about, but we're like, yeah, if so was so cheap, they'd be like the girl, if a girl cheat on a guy,

another girl would be like, well, what he do to make her do that? He may not have did nothing. you lay now they did nothing. So when you sit here and be like, oh, this is plastic, is it out for nobody sitting around digging, looking for party quarantine, and the soccer player, and the Chicago Bulls dude and everybody else? And I'm just saying, I'm not saying Meg is right or wrong or anything else.

I take it past this. One of the best, and I'm not even putting Megan Stang in the same category, I'm telling you, somewhere totally different. there's no disrespect to make it I'm just saying Holly Barry I don't know if you know

how how like I know you know who Holly Berry is but I don't know how if you know how she was regarded as the best baddest bitch of the 90s

like top of the line when niggas like oh Holly Barry every rapper and by Holly Barry Holly Barry Holly Barry every nigga left her

every nigga as bad as she is Every nigga, like, no, I'm out. Nah, man. You can have her. You can keep her. Because I don't care how bad you is, and this has nothing to do with Megan Nostagian,

this has nothing to do with Holly Berry. As bad as a female is, as some niggas somewhere saying, you can keep that bitch. I know it. I know it. I don't care who you are. If they don't know.

not married with kids and everything else. And they super duper bad. And some two, three, four niggas like, go ahead. Y'all think what y'all want to think. My pleasure. That's just that. Holly Barry and Dave Justice, that's a baseball player. Everybody gets out of there or Holly Berry.

Everybody. I don't know what she'd do. I have no background or nothing. I just know nobody saves. Take that information with you. Go ahead, John. This is what party says. said you should never want to be with a man if he can't be a man and do the things you like

like I can't. What? I'm telling you he can't love you like I love you. That sounds so toxic. Like that's just like, okay. Is that a song weird or quote? Shout out to party. It's a song. Oh, I'm like, okay.

Like, there's no way he said that. Like, it's so... No, but he said it. He trod her. He definitely trod her. Shout out the party. I guess. Party is from New York, killer.

I don't know. I don't know everybody for me. I'm out to loop with music. But I'll say this too. And I'm not blaming. I'm not blaming Megan for this. I'm not, like I said, I have no problem with Megan. I think her next relationship don't need to be clubbid.

But I will say that. And I don't know what type of niggins Clay Thompson be with him be around or anything else. I don't know his crew, his family, like that. I know who his poverty is and all that. I'm talking about the niggins he'd be around. I know he got a brother, et cetera. But some niggins would be like, yo, they haven't known rights since this, man. Shooting them, percentage off.

Go in the state, they want to give you that chicken and not winning. You might want to revisit this whole situation. because Megan put that in her statement too on the shit that she said she says some shit you move up and down basketball swings your up and down moody horrible mood swings during basketball

during basketball season does she say that yeah yeah and he probably was talking about her but that's the point mood swings not playing well etc she's dealing with I'm just saying sometimes they can be like

and I'm not saying Clay said this right or wrong I'm just saying my niggas gonna tell me y'all, you know, we was up before this. Yeah,

yeah, shit. We was winning. I'm just telling you, my nigga, now shit ain't looking right. I'm just telling you, my niggins would definitely tell me because if you,

my nigger, I'm gonna tell you. What you want to win? You want to win or you want to be in love. If you want to be in love, I dig it. That's what friends are for us, that. That is what friends are for, but in this situation, things are already going kind of.

Women going tell, then why she get with him? Because she was in love. So then don't start this. No, but that was, like, in the timeline, we already seen things kind of going. She was holding him down. It seemed like she wasn't holding him down. So it's the thing, right, what Mason is trying to say, I mean, pardon me, Mace, but Stavis trying to say it was she got with him when his career was declining.

But no, that's when we found out about them. We don't know when she got with him. Yeah. We found out when he got the Dallas and all that, that they were an idol. I'm not saying it was before, after. But when we find out, that doesn't mean that that's when it necessarily started. That's just when the public found out. You don't meet somebody and be like, DM and be like, yo, you cute.

I'm cute. Let's go on a date. Oh, we're public now. No, don't be rocking like that. Remember how Aja Wilson and Bam was tip-torn around like, oh, my best friends at the game. Yeah. This person's at the game. That was going on for like months.

And that's just that the games. So before they even were seen together, we don't know how long that was. Then after that, it probably was a year. Then I said, come to the game. I bet. Oh, Bam's at the game. Oh, wait a minute. Asia's a game's game.

Wait a minute. They're in each other's games. Oh, we're just friends. Then another months go by. We're in a relationship. When we find out it's not when it starts. Yeah. That's all I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. Don't be like that. It's shot the Bim and Asia as well. I like that couple. They already get a couple. Yes, I agree. To each their own. You know, everybody has their own opinions.

That's mine. I hope she figures it out. I hope he figures it out because celebrity relationships got to suck. Everything is plastered everywhere. Everybody's in all your business. It's a lot. And I know that's a lot to deal with when you got other things going on, which everybody got a lot of things.

going on. So hope they figure it out. But let us know what y'all think in the comments down below. Should they have remained public? Should they have kept it private? Let us know what y'all think. But that is all the time that we have for today. Thank you all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.