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I'm Treja Wilson, aka StatBaby,
and today's episode is a little bit different.
Today, we got the expert, Mace,
and our analyst, Maurice Claret.
Mo, what's good, man?
Hey, I'm here.
Our guy went from Zoom days to no days.
Comments are going to be mad. They're going to be mad.
Shout out to Cam. Let me start out. Cam is on his way here. He's probably not going to make this show. He was calling me while he was getting on his flight and he had some sad news. Mike Tyson, the guy he was running
his mouth about, was standing right behind him when I saw him on FaceTime. I think Mike was
whispering to him, Cam, I need to talk to you. And then Cam said he going to call me back, but he
never called me back. So for everybody's watching this, pray for Cam right now.
I'm praying for Cam.
You be praying for Cam that Mike Tyson did not take his comments seriously.
This is what happened when you run your mouth.
How ironic was it that Mike Tyson was there?
Right behind him.
No, this is crazy.
The whole thing is crazy.
This is all starting off crazy.
Well...
See what happens, Cam, when you take your Zoom date.
You run into Mike Tyson.
Out of all people.
Out of all people.
Well, I hope he has a safe flight.
The Mike Tyson impression was crazy that you just did.
But I'll leave that between y'all.
Oh my goodness.
And you know, come to think about it,
we're praying for Cam right now.
Everybody be praying for Cam.
He should be well.
But I don't know what his security can do if Mike gets out of control.
The worst thing in the world is to get probably knocked out by somebody you can't sue for the money.
Right.
But you said you could take
Mike Tyson, right?
Didn't the little birdie say that?
I said, Mike, this is
TV.
It's TV. Got it.
Noted.
Okay. No, but Cam should be cool.
He should be straight. Yes.
We will all be in studio for the next episode.
Guys, don't worry.
Yeah, but wouldn't that be funny if Mike is sitting right next to him?
It would be insane.
And they probably are.
Maybe he'll come on the show.
Oh, my goodness.
Yeah, shout out to Mike Tyson.
He might come on the show.
Yeah.
So we'll see.
Okay, so we got to talk NFL free agency. It's going going crazy right now one of the breaking stories is
Russell Wilson he signed with the Steelers for a one-year deal what did you guys think when you
heard the news Maurice first oh I thought I thought a bunch of things and I see you representing with your hat so I know what time it is
she's out of pocket
she's out of pocket
put the camera on
what colors are you wearing Mace
I'm out of pocket
you got OVO on your
stiller's hat
like you cross branded
it is cross branded also shout out Nick
and happy birthday to Nick
he got me the beanie
gotta give a shout out to Nick
but yeah duh
Nick is buttering you up
you don't know it
I don't know where Nick is right now
but Nick has a thing
for those that don't know
you stay free of this guy Nick man
Nick got a thing for chocolate ladies, man.
I'm hating on you, Nick.
I'm hating on you. Nah, I'm just playing.
I'm dead.
Nick edited it out.
Nick has a thing for chocolate ladies, though.
You know?
Put the camera on Nick. Ladies,
this is Nick a lot right here.
Nick a lot.
The ape from Wall Street. I'm dead. this is Nikolai right here Nikolai the ape
from Wall Street
it was
sad
this had
I'm not
understanding
it's a crossover
it's a crossover
it's a crossover
that's okay
you've been
going viral
stat
how
I'm not
gonna get
into it
but you've
been going
viral
is that
is that
stat
the base is ready today base is ready and we're here to talk about to it, but you've been going viral. Is that stat?
Mace is ready today.
Mace is ready. We're here to talk about Russell Wilson. Let's get to Russell
Wilson.
What's up with Russell Wilson? Is this
breaking news to you?
Well, I'll say two
things. One, I probably see the same
picture you see, Mace, when you say that's that.
So I know what you're talking about.
Oh, you did?
Yeah.
It go down in the DMs.
It go down in the DMs.
Hold up. No, back to Russell Woods, because I ain't going to throw you under the bus, stat.
When friends like these, to eat enemies, right?
No comment.
Let's go.
So it was a few things when I thought about Russell Wilson.
So one, I don't know if I told y'all, but I'm a Browns fan,
but I'm a huge Mike Tomlin fan, right?
And my love for Mike Tomlin came from when I was in prison.
I knew nothing about Mike Tomlin, from when I was in prison I knew nothing about Mike
Tomlin uh but this dude this was 2008 he actually wrote me a handwritten letter it was just
encouraging me even when I was in prison man just to get my life back together and uh all of that
and so always tell that story because you know he didn't have to do that never played for him never
met him but from a human standpoint he did that uh the second thing uh i'll say when i heard
the news i said it might really be the best thing for russell wilson to get out of seattle get out
of denver and come to like an area like this to me it was you're talking about western pennsylvania
northeast ohio western pennsylvania sort of like the same thing i'm from northeast ohio and he can
he don't he don't come into an environment that's simple.
You know, Pittsburgh, a real industrial
town, it's not all that celebrity shit.
Not all that kissing babies
and shaking hands and all that stuff that he
probably had to do in Seattle
when they were just winning championships and then in Denver.
The stuff that he thought he had to do.
And then Mike Tomlin is really,
and I say it with all due respect,
he's like a nigga. You know what I'm saying? When you get around him and he gets Russell Wilson, and I say it with all due respect, he's like a nigga.
You know what I'm saying?
When you get around him and he gets Russell Wilson, and I was about to say Russell Westbrook,
but if he gets Russell Wilson inside that locker room and say, hey, man, just come here, play football.
We'll surround you with a solid defense.
We got Najee Harris in the backfield.
We're playing a great division.
And we're not going to ask you to go out here and do what you did in Seattle or go out here and do what you did in Denver,
but just come in and play
a division where we run the ball a whole lot. We got a
running back back here and just be
yourself. And I think like it's just personally
I think that it allows Russell
Wilson just to get back to football
because the culture of Pittsburgh
and what they have going on over there.
One is great because I love him and I love the division that they plan in.
But then two, I just don't think like the whole thing will be on his shoulders to win it because he has other pieces around him.
I think the pressure is kind of on him.
I think with the team that he has and with everything he's accomplished, go back to um let's get this correct you go
back to the time of him playing in seattle you go back to i think just 22 2020 he was the man of the
year so this is not far ago that he was considered a great a great athlete you know what i'm saying
so i know it's just we're just in the beginning of 2024.
So we're only three years removed from that.
And then when you think about the money
that he got from Denver,
all of the money made there transferring,
I mean, getting traded to what's that,
was Denver.
And then him getting to Denver
and having such a subpar, um, outing with,
with such a storybook quarter.
I mean, um, coach, this is, this is pressure because now you can blame the first time on,
on Sean Payton, but you won't be able to blame it on Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh.
So while I agree with you on the fact about, you know, the town.
Yeah, the town is simple in Pittsburgh.
It's about the Steelers, you know.
And that's another reason why it could be pressure, because when you get to Pittsburgh, you got the people want to win, especially if you're supposed to be a quarterback with any kind of storybook past or any notoriety.
This will be the place to win.
Like Stats Dad said, right?
This is America's team.
You got to.
He said God's team.
Yeah, let's get that correct.
God is bigger than America.
And God we trust.
So he's saying this is one of those teams.
This is not the team that you want to go to as a quarterback with the defense that they got.
Right.
And not perform because you won't be able to have that excuse.
You got all the personnel that I think you need to win some games.
OK.
I'll post that.
Maurice, you can go first
and then I can go.
No, but I was thinking about
just some of the time crunches.
So I didn't know that he signed
a one-year deal
until I just heard Stat say it.
But you don't believe
in some capacity
that just signing for one year
and knowing how bad
everybody talked about you,
just the whole world saying
that you was over and done
and then you get a chance
to go to an
environment that don't really have all of those external distractions you got a running back like
the division the Browns were playing better the Ravens just went on a Super Bowl run uh like you
don't think none of that like would make a person like lock in back to that same person you know
what I'm saying but then you have other pieces around you that don't require you to be Russell
Wilson who's throwing 40 and 50 passes I guess that guess that's where I was coming from. Yeah, I mean, it's true. But when
you got a guaranteed extra 37 million coming to you, I don't know if you're really motivated,
but this will tell. This year is going to tell everything. I think a lot of his legacy can be told the wrong way if this year goes wrong. Not that it
changes the legacy. And I want to make sure everybody listening to me in TV land and in
sports land get this correct. It's not that it will change his legacy, but sometime you can have
these years that linger on in the later times of your career that make people tell your story from an unfavorable perspective?
I just got to put on the record,
I called this,
and it's such a beautiful thing.
Like I was always saying,
because I've said a lot of things
about Russell Wilson,
I'm not going to lie.
I said that his play has declined,
which to me it has.
And when I said that
this is going to be
Russell Wilson's redemption year,
everybody was looking at me crazy.
They're like, he doesn't need to redeem himself.
He's already a good quarterback.
It's great that he's a good quarterback,
but he needs to show that he's a great quarterback.
This is the perfect scenario for Pittsburgh.
He signed a one-year contract for $1.2 million.
Kenny Pickett has like $2 million.
So we have $30 million in cap space to make sure that we draft,
you know, more people on our offense, more people on our defense. we already have like a good situation for him to kind of ease into and me
personally I'd rather play under Mike Tomlin than Sean Payton so I just think that this is the best
scenario for Russell Wilson to be able to prove himself again as a great quarterback I think that
one year timing is going to be good for him because you know at the end Pittsburgh can decide
to keep him or not regardless we still have Kenny Pickett and we didn't have to trade any draft picks so we
literally got him for nothing which is like the best scenario that could possibly have happened
for us and the system and the system let's not discount the system should work for them as
as a football expert you know a brand new football expert. This is a good system.
They love to run the ball,
right, Paws?
And when you think of
they got some good wide receivers.
So if you're a quarterback
with some good wide receivers
and a team that love
to run the ball,
this is a system
that should work for you.
And they got defense.
And they got draft picks.
And they got cap space. And they got defense and they got draft picks and they got
cap space and they got a hall of fame a future hall of fame coach right so this is that's what
i'm saying there's some pressure here we can't we can't say there's no pressure because he's only
getting 1.2 because what he does here determines what's going to happen moving forward you got a
ball now right and i don I don't think Russell Wilson is
the future, but he's definitely the solution because at the end of the day, we knew that we
needed to solve our quarterback issue. So the fact that we could even make it to the playoffs
by going through three strings of our quarterbacks is insane as itself. So the fact that we have
Russell Wilson and now Kenny Pickett can kind of learn under him, you know, kind of get his
positioning back on the field. I just think that this is great for Pittsburgh.
But also I hope that this doesn't, you know,
tarnish Kenny Pickett's confidence
because if he's going to be the backup quarterback
while Russell Wilson's on the field,
I don't know how that's going to translate for us
later on in the season.
But I still think it's a good start.
Yeah, we're not going to make this by the Pittsburgh.
I see her trying to make this whole segment extended pause for'm not I'm being very realistic I'm not like we're going to the Super
Bowl at Russell Wilson like I'm being very like objective I'm like this is the situation this is
what we need these are the solutions and hopefully it works and if it doesn't it's okay because we
only have him for a year okay but you also have to call something else out too so mike tomlin was
catching a lot of heat from like they were basically trying to say it's his days over in
pittsburgh right and i remember everybody hearing about that talk and so you know he's a businessman
too uh the roonies are businessmen uh the owners of the team for people who don't know who they are
um and i'm pretty sure that they said hey now that that Ben Roethlisberger is gone and we didn't have somebody come and step up and feel his persona
and personality that we have to take a shot.
You remember, you know, God bless his soul,
Dwayne Haskins was supposed to come in and he was supposed to play next,
but, you know, he unfortunately passed away down in Miami.
But this is, I think it's part of that where, hey, man,
you have a veteran quarterback on on the team.
We got this far with Kenny Pickett last year. Let's see. Let's actually see what's going on with Russell Wilson.
Right. It's not going to hurt for another year for Kenny Pickett to get some development and be around a vet who's been to the Super Bowl.
And I'm pretty sure Mike Thomas sold it to him that way.
So, hey, man, this dude's here for one year and he's a little bit older and you're starting to see quarterbacks play a little bit longer so if you sit out one year like who
really cares uh and maybe he helps to extend your career in some capacity i don't know right i agree
and i mean we'll see what happens it was definitely important for pittsburgh to try something new
so to see what comes out of it would be great um there's a little tweets about levy on bell
trying to get back on the team i'm all for it but you know we'll see what comes out of it would be great. There's a little tweets about Le'Veon Bell trying to get back on the team.
I'm all for it, but, you know, we'll see what happens.
Yeah, it got to be great for them quarterbacks to learn how to prepare behind pause.
What you call it, Russell Wilson.
Right, exactly.
Okay, now let's talk Baker Mayfield.
He resigned with the Bucs on a three-year, $100 million contract.
What do you guys think about his contract?
And do you guys think this was a good decision by the Bucs?
Let me go.
Let me start this one off.
Pause.
Just last year, he signed a free agent for $4 million, right?
I think it was about like four million in 2023 so to start off 2024
with a hundred million for three years and then to come back with a um i think it's about
115 million in incentives 50 million of it being guaranteed yeah this is a long way from four million this
but this is what happened when you bet on yourself this is johnny manziel reborn get paid young
nigga get paid whatever you do young nigga get paid this is in the, young nigga, get paid. This is in the
words of Cam. Cam
says some niggas love their wives.
Nothing comes before the
money. In the words of the great Cam
Ron.
I gotta keep my boy
alive, you know?
Who knows what Mike Tyson is doing
right now? I gotta keep him alive right now? Who knows what Mike Tyson is doing right now? I gotta keep
him alive right now.
Who knows?
But yeah, go from
$4 million to $100
million for three years is
great. That means he
multiplied his net
worth like Rick Ross would say.
I don't know what the word
is. Six your your net worth
what's that about nine times the net worth he came up yeah and to think he jumped in pause right
after the great right tom brady it's not like he had little shoes to fill. He came in and performed after Tom Brady.
But what he did do, and Baker Mayfield, you need to keep this up next year,
you were out of the public, you were not in the media saying crazy stuff.
Just ball, man.
Turn this 100 to 300 next time.
We rooting for you.
Go ahead, Mo.
It's on you.
No, since
Stadler here bringing up stats from the past,
y'all know I called this earlier in the year,
right?
Everybody in Deja Vu.
We gonna call this show
it is what it is, Deja Vu.
Everybody is in Deja Vu.
Yeah, but
he's the all-American football player.
Heisman Trophy winner.
He go from walk-on to Heisman Trophy winner to first-round draft pick,
went out to Cleveland, things didn't go as well.
And then you remember he went over to Carolina, then he went to the Rams,
and now he's sort of like on his own redemption and reparation tour.
And really what happened was he went down there.
They already had a lot of the components that were in place from going on a Super Bowl run.
He came there.
They didn't require him to do a whole lot, but for the Tampa Bay area, he's a great professional.
People are going to come to the games to see him.
He has name. He has notoriety. They know that, you know, even if we go on a playoff run, that's good for us.
We're happy with that. And I'm happy for him. You know what I'm saying?
But like I said, I was like, I don't see who they'll get that will come in that market, be like Mr.
All everything to that fan base. I don't think that he's going to go on a Super Bowl run.
But I also don't think that they're expecting that from him, right? Maybe you get like, you know, you get him for three
years, you sign him for two, see how things go on. You bring somebody in the draft or you trade
for somebody else to bring them on. But I don't know. I'm happy for Baker Mayfield, but he
definitely came up. Yeah, he's talking more. He's talking like he want to win in the postseason.
In fact, that's one of his quotes. I want to quote what he said.
He said, I love the coach, Todd Bowles.
I love the staff.
I'm happy to be here.
And I want to win more in the postseason.
He actually said this.
This is a quote.
That's what I'm talking about.
The nigga know how to say the right shit.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, he did say we are going to win.
The nigga did say, I want to win. he didn't say we are going to win. The nigga did say I want to win.
Yeah.
Yeah, we all want to win.
Yeah, I definitely think Baker Mayfield is the right fit for the Bucs.
If they would have let him go, that wouldn't have made any sense to me,
especially since they extended Mike Evans' contract for another two years.
So that quarterback-wire receiver connection is great.
Happy for the both of them.
I think, you know, Tampa Bay, I'm not going to say they're going to be the best, but they definitely have a great happy for the both of them I think you know Tampa Bay
I'm not going to say
they're going to be the best
but they definitely
have a good run
for the next season
why you don't show
Tampa Bay more love
aren't you from Tampa
you say you're not
from Jacksonville
I love Tampa
you know
that's where I grew up
but like
it was
it was
black and yellow
black and yellow
like all my life
so
that's just how it was so when Gronk and them, like all my life. Oh, my goodness.
That's just how it was.
So when Gronk and them was down there, you wasn't for?
I mean, like, I will support Tampa Bay because I'm 813 baby for sure.
But it's always going to be Steelers.
That's just what it is.
Oh, my goodness.
That's just what it is.
Yeah, where's OJ when I need him?
OJ, if you out there, you see where you started,
the blueberry juice is spilling over everywhere.
Everybody knows I love Tampa and I love Jacksonville.
That's where my family is, but I'm a Steelers fan.
I made that very clear.
Okay, so moving on to the next quarterback,
Kirk Cousins agreed to a four-year deal with the Falcons.
The deal is worth up to $180 million.
Do you guys think Kirk Cousins was overpaid? Maurice, we'll let you go first. You see what I got back there, right?
That's the spirit of Kirk Cousins, man. It is what it is.
We got the skew mask on back there
robbery you see any robbery
did he man listen to me uh all with all due respect to kirk cousins you know he was great
one well went to the pro bowl a few times up there in Minnesota. He's been a great professional.
But when I see what they paid him to go down to Atlanta, I was like, damn.
You know what I'm saying?
He just came off the tour in the key lease.
And when I just thought about the quarterbacks that you could possibly get for that same money,
it just didn't make any sense to me.
How much was it again?
$180 million.
My goodness.
Yeah, can't hate the players, man.
This is one of those, don't hate the players.
Hate the game.
Hate the game. That boy Kirk Cousins,
and 100 of the $187
is guaranteed. Yeah, $180 million
contract, and it includes a $50 million
signing bonus.
Yeah, that's a lot.
Go back to what I was talking about. Remember
earlier in the season or a couple weeks ago,
we were talking about Justin Fields, right?
If I'm going to go give somebody $180
million, right? Somebody
who got a name, somebody who got upsized,
somebody who's a little bit younger,
somebody who doesn't have a torn Achilles,
all of that stuff.
I'm going to build around somebody like that
who I can go either trade for
or I can become creative with getting him off the market.
And I thought that, and he's from,
I'm pretty sure he's from Georgia.
I don't know if he's from Atlanta,
but I know he's from Georgia.
Yeah, he's from Georgia.
Yeah, I'm going to get him.
I'm not going to get Kirk Cousins. And that's with all due respect to Kirk Cousins. This isn't no slight at him. But if I'm going to give somebody $180 million, I'm going to get somebody on the front side of a career who just need pieces around them. Right. And they got the good tight end down there. They got B. John Robinson and the young wide receiver. So I'm going to build with those guys when it's time to just take my team to the next level.
I'm not going to get Kirk Cousins.
But then also, this is the head coach's, this is his second head coaching opportunity.
I'm wondering if he's going for like the more secure, stable veteran who's been to the Pro Bowls
sort of like offensive setup rather than somebody like Justin Fields who I wanted him to get.
I wanted Justin Fields to go down there.
That's why I'm kind of like mad and salty but also surprised.
Mo, I don't know if I agree with that
because he could have found another Pro Bowl.
Kirk Cousins wasn't the only Pro Bowl that was probably available,
especially at that number.
They could have done a three-way trade or something crazy
to get somebody better for that.
And especially when you think about they got the young running back,
you want to put them with somebody young that could actually work better with them,
I think.
But no slight to Kirk. He got the bag.
Let Kurt enjoy his bag.
He can enjoy his bag, but you know how y'all have been talking
about robbery?
That's exactly what that is. Shout out to
Kurt Cousins.
I think
he's a great person.
I'm not going to say he's a bad quarterback
because he's not a bad quarterback,
but I just feel like he hasn't proven enough
to be having a four-year contract worth that much in Atlanta.
It doesn't make sense to me.
And he's older.
I just don't think that decision made the most sense.
Especially if we're being completely honest,
I was seeing Justin Fields as an option for Atlanta.
Like he is a younger quarterback.
Like he has a lot more ceiling to prove himself rather than Kirk Cousins,
who like Maurice said, just came off a torn Achilles is I think 36,
a lot older.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
Sound like y'all hating on a nigga.
Sound like this sound like more of that.
The nineties is over to me.
This is what it
Seems like a great person
Why is it sound like the 90s trend is over?
Young
Think about it this way you just spent a hundred $180 million and you have a quarterback heavy draft.
You can go get you a younger quarterback and you can go spend that,
cap that money on other ancillary pieces.
That's what I'm talking about, right?
Or you could have got Justin Fields for part of that.
But, and you said he's 36?
Yeah.
Yeah, you could have...
I'm not going to spend $180 million on a...
You could have gotten
a quarterback
and two other pieces
with that 187.
Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me.
And made a really strong statement.
What I think happened, though,
people getting this whole thing
with Tom Brady playing
until he was like 40-something,
I think that they actually thinking that that goes for everybody.
But sometimes we just have
people who are outliers
who play long beyond their prime,
and those are for those people.
You're 36, 37, 38,
and I know Sin's going to kill me for this tomorrow,
but you know what I'm saying?
Hey, every time I say something about age,
Sin hit me up in a DM.
He's like, Maurice, you can't be the age police.
But I know for a fact that, you know, you get older, man.
You just slow down, man.
You ain't the same as somebody who's 24, 25 years old.
No, don't say that to Drea.
She hasn't slowed down.
She's still making it happen out here.
Shout out to my people
Shout out to your people
Okay before we go to break
Just one more follow up question
Do you guys think that the Vikings should have kept Kirk Cousins
Or do you think it just made more sense for them
To let him go
Oh I think they made the right decision
They probably looked at it the way
That I just explained it
He's 36
He's 36.
He's coming off an Achilles injury.
And, you know, they probably feel like they got their best years out of him.
And so they just say, hey, man, you know, if you're willing to pay $187 for him or $180, whatever it was for him, go ahead and let us go on this quarterback
heavy draft and let us save that cap space to get some of these other
ancillary pieces
that'll get us to a, you know,
in playoff contention and then eventually to the Super Bowl.
Yeah, they were definitely not
trying to make that nigga the franchise
tag again. They said,
I know somebody, his wife was
telling the owner of the Vikings,
if you give this nigga the franchise
tag one more time,
he gotta be out of here.
This boy's the man.
We're at the end of the road on this.
He got to go.
Okay, y'all.
We're going to go to break,
and when we return,
we will discuss Saquon Barkley.
Don't go anywhere. She call this thing about toxic
Four years and counting
Got you feeling like an option
Maybe I'm my own problem, babe.
She tired of hearing, I don't know.
What's happening to me won't fall.
Dealing with this thing called trust.
But she really thinking about wanting to be free.
Why am I in this one?
She want to be free. Welcome back. Why am I in this one way?
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Welcome back.
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Tonight, the Clippers will play the Timberwolves.
Underdog Fantasy has Kawhi at 7.5 first quarter points.
Do you have them higher or lower?
Who they playing?
The Timberwolves.
Oh, that's a goodie.
Higher. Okay. Paul George is at that's a goodie. Higher.
Okay.
Paul George is at five and a half rebounds.
Higher or lower?
Wait, I got to tell you what Cam would say.
Okay, well, Cam, this is actually great.
This is great.
Cam.
Hawaii, seven and a half first quarter points.
Higher or lower?
Higher. Higher? Yeah. Okay. have first quarter points higher or lower um higher higher yeah okay paul george is at five and a half rebounds you have a higher or lower mace you're supposed to go cam next you just
answer cams so now we're at paul george oh now it's you get back into character. Okay. Paul George is at five and a half rebounds. Do you have him higher or lower, Mace?
Higher.
Okay.
Cam?
I hate to agree with Mace.
Higher.
Okay.
And Anthony Edwards is at 30 and a half points.
Do you have him higher or lower, Cam?
How many points?
30 and a half.
Higher.
He's been balling this year.
He's been balling this year. He's been balling this year.
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Pardon me.
Okay.
Shut up in the background.
He does not say that.
What you were saying against that?
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Higher
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Okay. we are
going back with our analyst, Maurice
Claret. Okay,
so what did you, you've got to rate
Macy's cam impression one through ten
before you even get into the question.
Hey, we're going to go with
an eight on that one, but an eight,
you said pardon me.
He only said that. You said pardon me. He always does that.
Yeah.
Pardon me.
Show up in the background.
Go ahead.
No, it'd be the cop.
Pardon me.
Hey, no.
Hey, they was killing me for the,
they was killing me for a smoke detector
when it kept going off.
Yeah.
Y'all just know we definitely see the comments.
We take you guys' opinion to the heart and we get it done.
So appreciate y'all.
Okay.
So it seems like Giants fans are a little upset after the Eagles got Saquon Barkley.
In response to the news, Tiki Barber said,
good luck.
You're dead to me in response to saquon barkley moving to the
eagles so thoughts on tiki's response and then do you guys think the giants made the right decision
maurice will let you go first yeah man um my honest thoughts were i was like man shut the fuck up right and I was so serious when I said it
it is two things right
and I like I was trying to say
man should I tell these people how I really feel
and I just said yeah because it's like
needed to be said and Tiki
Barber reminds me of
like those athletes
when they're done with a team
and they become
they think they got a fanboy for the team
or say what they think other people want them to say.
And when I seen him joke on whatever,
the podcast, the show or whatever he was on,
he like cut his eyes over at the other guys
who was on the show,
like basically doing it for their approval.
And I just started thinking to myself,
like more on a serious level,
but I was like, man, when you play running back,
you know dudes don't be really getting paid like that anyway.
And you always hear about, like, running backs getting fucked out of their money.
That's like Le'Veon Bale's situation where, you know,
he was trying to get more money and he didn't get it
because the shelf life is so short.
But this dude, Saquon, actually went out here, created value for himself,
worked through injuries injuries got back in
now he's a valuable dude and then i started to think about like just like just other random
shit where you'll have somebody who play a position before you and i'm gonna go a little
bit off uh road but i'll come back on but you'll have somebody who plays a position as you and
they'll come after you right and that person will be getting busy and and and they end up taking up
all that space and all of that fanfare that you once got.
And you hate to be in a room with them because that person begins to take up the whole room. Right.
And so when when people say like little slick shit like that, I'll never I don't just take it as just like he was just saying something as a joke.
And that stuff comes from like a deep rooted place. Right. And I like heard it, I was like, man, just shut the fuck up. You know what I'm saying?
Because it's like people like him,
he's like, you know,
like those type of guys,
they be thinking like the black dudes
who feel like that
they got to be like white
around their white friends
or shit on black people
around their white friends.
And I'm not taking it.
I'm not taking it too serious,
but I've been around.
Y'all don't talk about it.
That's why you laughing.
Like, you know,
when you get around.
What you call them niggas, Mo?
What you call them kind of niggas?
Bitch ass niggas. Just bitch ass niggas. You know what you call them what you call them just bitch-ass niggas you know i'm
saying all right uncle tom's coons whatever the fuck it is you know me and i just like you know
you like but he's one of those type of dudes right you know like he get around his white dudes and
feel like he got a shit on niggas just to fit around white dudes and like i don't know i always
pause it always brought me the wrong way. And I just always resented
black people who felt like
I got to be white around white people
or I got to like suppress my shit, right?
Like there's never a time in life
where white people feel like
that they don't have to be white
around black people, right?
They just become white.
But somehow like niggas
get around white people
and think that they got to be white
to be accepted amongst white people.
And I'm not a racist.
Y'all know.
But I don't know.
That was my little rant.
So I didn't want to say that.
Maurice, whenever somebody have to say they're not a racist, that's a red flag.
But I'm going to keep going.
No, I think when it comes to Saquon Barkley,
I think shout outs to the other guy that left the Eagles
that allowed him to get to the Eagles.
I think he went to the Bears.
And because he went to the Bears,
it left this running back spot open.
Now, when I think of Saquon,
this is a foregone,
is it a foregone conclusion now
that the Eagles will be in the playoffs?
They're far better than everybody else
in that division.
I mean, it's only the Cowboys,
the Commanders,
and, I mean, the Giants.
It's so stupid
to trade one of your best players
to a rival team.
I can't think of nothing dumber than that, you know?
I know Saquon had a couple bad years.
Like, he had a couple years he struggled because he was hurt.
But the first year, he was the offensive rookie of the year.
And then he comes back those next three years and struggles.
So I think they probably thought that his best days was behind him
and they wanted to move in a new direction.
And I'm glad to see that the Eagles is going to capitalize off this.
We don't have to fear them in title time, but they will be much better.
So his contract with the Eagles is a a three-year 37.75 million dollar
contract that could be worth up to 46 million and includes 26 million fully guaranteed yeah
regardless of what anybody says he's getting that back yeah 27 where's oj at right now OJ they're paying the running backs like you're asking
they're paying the running backs
OJ wherever you are I'm still
repping listen
your boy Saquon got the bag
OJ you gotta come here
be a part of this I got the blue
glasses on for you
you know not for you
pause that's crazy
got the blue glasses on because blueberry juice ain't here.
To that point.
And like, shout out OJ, of course.
Yeah.
Everybody hating.
Like, obviously, the team and people who are fans of the team are going to be upset.
But like, you got to do what's best for you.
Eagles are in a lot better position, if we're being completely honest.
He's 27.
He got the money
shout out to Saquon Barkley
I don't like the way
that Tiki Barber
had to come at him like that
talking about
you're dead to me
because people just get
real comfortable
behind
the phone
because you're dead to me
is crazy
like those are
there's just certain words
that are like
that's like
you divorced him right like it's just real like like That's like, you divorced them, right?
Like, it's just real, like,
that's just not something you say.
Like, there's just certain verbiage.
Like, we had an example,
and I can't think of it right now.
Just certain things that you shouldn't say to people.
Is he Generation Z?
Saquon Barker?
Or Tiki Barber?
Yeah, this is getting crazy.
This is why people are done with the 90s.
We're going to get into that. We're going to get into that.
We're going to get into that.
This explains.
I definitely got to hear y'all's opinion.
Yeah.
Shout out Saquon Barkley.
He's getting his money.
All these people hating.
Y'all can hate.
Like, he's good regardless.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
So to Mace's point, yes.
People are saying we are done with the 90s.
So if you guys haven't heard, it's trending on TikTok and a lot of other social platforms right now.
Basically, people are going back watching the old games from the 90s and saying that the 90s were actually overrated.
So they're saying MJ being the GOAT is flawed because the shots and defense were bad and that MJ did not have a left hand.
So people are looking at the clips
and are not impressed with what they see.
So what do you guys think
about this entire debate happening right now?
This is a classic case.
Look at me, ladies and gentlemen,
of dumb and dumber.
Listen,
to say you're going to take one quarter of MJ and try to run this narrative, this guy, I don't want to say the name, but this got an agency written all over it.
This got an NBA player written all over it. In fact, this is a great marketing strategy for that NBA player,
hypothetically, and that agency, hypothetically. And I think you know exactly who I'm talking
about, Maurice Claret. I know you know exactly who I'm talking about. I wish Cam was here.
Cam, where are you at right now?
The 90s are over.
You know, we're getting money in a different generation.
So if you want to throw away the 90s, it wouldn't make me no difference.
But stop wearing Jordans then.
If the trend of 90s is over.
All the niggas saying this got Jordans in their closet do you
wear Jordans yes do you have Jordans yes so you will have to throw your Jordans away you will
have to burn them Jordans like they burnt LeBron jersey when he left Cleveland you will have to
get rid of them like Adidas wouldn't get rid of Yeezys. You're not going to get rid of Jordans.
So the 90s is never going to be over.
Get over it.
You're Adidas.
The 90s is Yeezy.
You can't leave Kanye.
And as crazy as you think it is, you can't leave him.
Maurice, I want to hear your take.
Because I got more to share.
I got more to share. I got more to share.
The 90s is over.
The 90s includes Shaq.
The 90s includes Kobe.
Are you getting rid of Kobe's?
So if we get rid of Kobe's, we get rid of what else?
Usher, there's no moonwalking.
There's no humping you dry.
There's no roller skates.
There's no Super Bowl without the 90s.
You don't want to see these niggas perform at the Super Bowl.
Can you imagine these niggas?
I'm so confused.
I'm saying if you get rid of the 90s,
if you get rid of the 90s,
that's all the stuff you look up to.
That's Beyonce.
Get rid of the 90s.
That's Jordan.
Get rid of the 90s. That's Usher. Get rid of the 90s. That's Jordan. Get rid of the 90s.
That's Usher.
Get rid of the 90s.
You want to keep going?
Tupac, all of the stuff niggas try to do on Halloween.
That's all the 90s.
Then we'll just have a bunch of emo niggas running around with their lashes done,
waiting on their nail tech and their lash tech before
they perform
with their girdles showing
okay
um
what does that have to do
with Michael Jordan having no
left hand
I just
heard the 90s.
I got triggered.
Lisa, I'm honest.
I heard 90s
and I got triggered.
There's no way
for me to transition that.
I got triggered.
See, that's what
it looks like
when you get triggered.
He's not even on the point.
But Mike or Joneigh
have a left hand.
Of course Mike had a left hand.
You know how some people, you know you could beat all right hand.
You don't use your left hand.
He was playing against them like kids play.
Maurice.
I got triggered, bro.
Forgive me.
Hey man, listen to me. The video I seen, it was just another sassy ass nigga, bro. Forgive me. Hey, man, listen to me.
The video I seen, it was just another sassy-ass nigga, man.
And he go through this whole process where he's editing the film and going through these clips and bitching.
And so you can take anybody's basketball career over a span of any time
and highlight all of the bad takes and the bad clips.
Right. And then you can compare it to now,
but even to go out your way to do that is just still like,
like sassy ass shit, man.
And the nineties is what made everything what everybody like.
Um,
and I'm being biased because I came up being influenced by the nineties.
Uh,
but my man was trying to hate on Michael Jordan.
And the boy, up being influenced by the 90s uh but my man was trying to hate on michael jordan so he was sassy doing it he's part of your generation stat that's no knocks to you
but maybe you can explain it better as to how this thing became trendy and people began to
share it and you share your thoughts with us how do you feel about the 90s, Sat? Well, so my thing is,
and like this is just always how I've been raised.
I don't think I'm like I 1000%,
not to call them elders,
but like I respect my elders.
Like this is how we are where we are now.
And I'm super big on learning things
and going back into history
and understanding why things are
the way that they are now.
So I'm not knocking the 90s at all.
First of all, I love 90s music, love 90s everything,
like that stuff that I'm going to look into.
But it's just really a way to solidify the MJ versus LeBron debate.
I mean, a lot of the people that say LeBron is their GOAT
probably have never even seen, you know,
a 90s full game. So now that they're choosing one game or whatever, you know, whatever they
are deciding to watch to them, that's enough to say like, okay, the 90s are trash. We're done
with it. You know, LeBron's my goat, which also doesn't make sense because from listening to you
guys, obviously I was not born in the 90s. Again, showing my age.
When you guys tell me, you know, it was an experience that you had to just be there.
That's one of those things that I fully understand. I'm not going to knock and be like, because I wasn't there.
It didn't happen because I didn't see Will do 100 points.
It didn't happen.
Like, I'm just not that type of person.
But on the other side, that's probably their argument.
I don't think it's
the most valid argument now the the clip does look kind of crazy because they were like if it did
happen now you know everybody would be but that's also you know the birth of social media in general
that's narration that yeah i think i was one of the first people to use that statement about
in the context of how people change people's views with
that, with the word narrative, you know, you could put something out there explaining it a certain
way that make people look at it a certain way when that's not actually the truth. Right. Because when
he's making this point, this is also the only play I remember going three-peat twice.
So if he goes three-peat twice with the same game you're trying to isolate,
then that tell you how great he is if he was able to shoot off the backboard
and do all of this
and still three peak.
Right.
Yeah.
I mean,
I get it even just to even like related to music,
for example,
like that's like me for me going around,
running around saying,
you know,
Chris Brown is my goat over,
you know,
Michael Jackson.
Like,
where do you think the influence came from?
Not saying that he's fully influenced by MJ but
obviously that was everybody's here and there's levels to it but see to show that I'm not biased
I think Chris Brown dance better than Mike and he danced better than Chris Brown I mean better
than Usher being a person wait restart your sentence again. Let me say it again. I think Chris Brown danced better than Michael Jackson and danced better than Usher.
But he's not a better artist than Michael Jackson.
Does that make sense to you?
It makes a lot of sense.
Yeah.
So to somebody that's like, because you got to think about it.
And I'm speaking as a person that lived to see all of them
at their height so i know what mike looks like pause at his height the spins that mike do the
dance moves that mike does as a performer yes mike is held like as the goat of all time. I'm not changing that. I'm saying dancing wise, there is not a move that Mike can do that Chris Brown can't do.
But there are several moves that Chris Brown can do that Mike would not be able to do.
I don't know how I feel about that.
You ever saw Mike flip?
No. And I get Mike flip? No.
And I get what you're saying.
No, because unbiasedly,
Chris Brown is one of my favorite artists.
He can dance.
He can see.
He can do it all.
But comparing him to Michael Jackson.
Yeah.
So what I'm further trying to expose to you
is that I'm not a biased person.
So I deal with eliteness.
Like I,
I,
I like things to be done on the highest level.
So I've seen people do it on the highest level.
I know what Mike looked like at his highest level.
I've seen Chris Brown at his highest level.
And I'm saying dancing wise,
there are moves that Chris Brown can do that that mike cannot do and mike was hitting those moves
sharp chris brown can hit those same moves if you put like like they had usher on stage with mike
and usher was right there with mike if chris was standing there with mike it would look like
chris was actually doing those moves a little bit. It
sounds bad to say better, but he could. Yeah. He has the ability because what you give as
you're what you're given an ability is not what you work for. Right. You get what I'm
saying? So there's people that have ability that they didn't work for and then they got
talent that they worked on yeah mike was
naturally gifted chris brown dancing wise was gifted a little bit more than mike yeah i me
personally i'm still gonna put chris brown second i think he is definitely up there when i talk about
songs no i know you're talking about dancing but i still just feel like it's two different
categories for two different eras.
That's how I feel about it.
And Chris Brown is up there, especially for this era.
But comparing him to Mike dancing, just dancing wise, even still, that's like very debatable.
And the reason why people see it, because it goes into Brandon and narrative like I was just sharing with you.
With Mike, it's the glitter glove.
It's the glitter socks.
It's the jerry curl. it's the glitter glove it's the glitter socks it's the jerry curl it's
the it's the iconic outfits when you look at Chris Brown it's like he got on a snapback right with a
t-shirt on with some regular jeans right but talent wise it's the same talent but because it's
packaged yeah the theatrics.
That's what makes you look
at something as big. To this point,
why is what they're saying,
just because I got to
see where your head's at, why is what they're saying about
the 90s
wrong?
The reason why it's wrong
because if you're saying
you're over the 90s, then you got to stop jacking it.
Simple.
Then stop wearing 23.
Right?
Yeah.
Stop.
Do you hear Jordan name more in songs and Pippen or you hear LeBron more in songs.
Who do you hear more in songs?
All right.
So if you're going to say it's over, you got to refrain from using a lot of that stuff.
Okay.
Maurice, I would love to know your opinion.
Need a new vantage point.
Oh, no.
I was a little bit harsh earlier, but it's like anything else.
It's two things that scare me, right?
We're in an era where you can, whether something is right or wrong, we're in an era where you can get a bunch of people to just sort of like what may say just establish a narrative that may
not necessarily be true but it becomes a popular thing I know that that doesn't
necessarily fit all of what we're talking about but this is a thing where
you can just run with the narratives and if a bunch of people say that these are
they believe it's right right that becomes a scary thing another thing
within this I get it you young and you want to think that you come up
within the best generation and anything that you can do to take shots at whoever is whoever's star,
their goat or whoever it is, you're going to do it. So I get what the young dude was doing it.
Sometimes I just wake up on the wrong side of the bed. I'll be like, man, niggas are sassy today.
Then some days I forgive people and don't even make mention of it. And know, sometimes I just wake up on the wrong side of the bed. I'll be like, man, niggas are sassy today. And some days
I forgive people and don't even make mention of it.
And this was just one of those days. I was like,
man, niggas be sassy
and just saying stupid shit. And
they get these dumbass friends started. And
this is one of them.
Yeah, they're disrespectful. They're unruly.
Like, I'm smart enough to know
the best female singers did not
come from my time.
I can acknowledge that they were they were way older than we were.
I live to see people to say, OK, the best rappers came from that time.
I'm smart enough to know the best basketball players did not come from Jordan's era.
But Jordan is the goat. You get what I'm saying?
When I think of a bunch of small forwards, that was better.
I could think of a bunch of point guards.
Now, even with Stephen Curry, you find me saying that Stephen Curry is right there with magic to me if he gets another ring.
I'm putting a pass magic.
So I'm all for the changing of God.
So I'm all for that. I even believe in hip hop. They need new gatekeepers and it looks like we're
moving in that direction. I'm all for new and change, but I'm not for niggas riding a coattail
of niggas and then getting to a place and trying to stun on the niggas
you was riding the whole time.
I don't like that.
It's like when people would,
when I first started, you know,
not doing music,
people would come,
oh, I love you, this and that.
You see the nigga in a year from now,
he think he better than you.
Nigga, I was just telling you everything to do.
Now you better than me? Get out of here here i don't like niggas like that and there's a bunch of rappers that do that
you know oh you to go you're out of this and then you see a nigga in two years he get one
hot record and now the nigga think he can throw rocks at the heavens, nigga.
You can't throw rocks at the heavens, nigga.
That was killer.
You can't throw rocks at the heavens, nigga.
Your rock won't make it, nigga.
So also regarding the topic, I want to get you guys' initial thoughts and reactions to some of the comments. So somebody said that the 2016 Chino Hills is better than the 90s Bulls.
And then somebody is saying also that basically MJ is like a glorified Jalen Brown.
I just got it for the people watching.
So you guys are up to speed with what is going on.
So now Jalen Brown.
This is a whole debate.
Jalen Brown is equivalent to Jordan.
Now, let's have that conversation.
Because if I was going to compare somebody today to Michael Jordan, it would not be Jalen Brown.
You know who I would compare him to?
Who shows sparks of that?
Pause. Anthony Edwards. Not just on the resemblance, like the way they approached the game, the way he tacked the rim, explosiveness. Mike had a lot of mid-range game that made him unstoppable. He was a high jumper, but you rarely see
high jumpers with a mid-range game. You normally see, even today, right? You see Kevin Durant
shooting from three. You see LeBron shooting from three, or you see him running to the basket,
dunking. You rarely see people with all three levels, the three, the mid-range, and can attack at the rim.
So that's the first thing.
I would dispel that.
Not Jalen Brown.
Let's go with Anthony Edwards.
What else did they say that was off the chain?
The 2016 Chino Hills were better than 90s Bulls.
You see, this is what happens when light-skinned niggas' mom
can go on the internet.
This is crazy.
I'll be trying not to be disrespectful, but, you know,
sometimes when you're telling the truth,
the people that are not used to the truth is going to be offensive.
Chino Hill's like, I'm not having that conversation. I'm an expert, Mo. This is yours.
This is what I'm talking about. I don't know if this started off as a joke with him, but
Michael Jordan-
No, he's definitely trolling right there. He's definitely trolling, because that's a
trigger. I was about to be triggered. Forgive me, light-skinned guys.
See, because they came against
us, Paul, and then they made me go
after somebody who's not going after me.
That's what a trigger does, right?
So now I'm apologizing
to light-skinned people because they didn't
do nothing to me. Light-skinned guys
ain't do nothing to me.
And now we're on to this because of this.
So I'm going to let you handle this, Mo.
This is all trolling.
No, it's just, you know, when you think about Mike and his impact on culture,
his impact and his mentality on the game.
And, like, so I can't, like, when I look at people,
I look at fully what they represent and what they actually mean, right?
And when I think about Michael Jordan just his his impact with every kid all over america over america wanting to be like mike
when he was on tv every kid running in their house and wanting to be like mike the impact of his
shoes the impact that he had just with business and basketball he wasn't talking about no niggas
getting no 38 million back in 96 for one year basketball that even the fact that it was that was even a thing to accomplish him influencing guys to take
the game more serious him putting those contracts in a situation where guys can negotiate bigger
numbers just all the shit that this man has done uh just to the game in general. You got LeBron, you got Kobe, you got all of these guys
who come out of that,
who you're using what he's done,
be it with his brand
that people begin to copy,
how they negotiate deals.
I can sit here and go on and on
about the impact that the band had.
And it gets to a point,
like you kind of say,
where it goes from jokey to disrespectful,
but we just live in a world where, you know said it earlier where people just say disrespectful shit and they
jokingly say but like no man we have to do a better job of just like what's that saying like
respecting our elders and fully understanding what comes before you because if you don't
understand what becomes before you you just start to disrespect any and everything and begin to operate like that
and that's kind of foolish and unwise
to do. And so,
what starts off as a joke,
everybody doesn't have the wisdom or understanding
to understand things are a joke.
You can just start living your life disrespecting
things that come before you and
I don't know, we can go on
and on about it, but as you were talking,
I was going in like this mode of my mind,
just thinking about what this dude meant to the game.
That was really good, Maurice.
And now what I'm going to say in closing is this.
Listening to you and listening to Stat and listening to this troll
has taught me something today.
Honestly, I'm not going to lie.
I never saw it from this vantage point before,
and I'm going to add this to my expertise, right? So hearing them argue about their time
taught me something, and here's what it is. Just like you have to respect what went before you,
we got to do a better job respecting what comes after us because that's a wise leader.
A wise leader can see what goes before him. But he also, in order to prepare the future,
you got to respect what comes behind you in order to be on the right side of history.
So I'm no longer going to argue LeBron against Jordan because Jordan is my goat.
I can say this about LeBron.
He's the best right now.
That's all that matters.
It doesn't matter who is better before.
Right now, the best player on the floor is LeBron James.
And he has to get better with accepting that.
The past don't matter because we're never going to play the past.
We're playing right now.
So you got to feel good about knowing right now there's nobody better than me.
It's just it's the same way with music.
These guys are not going to be able to ever recreate what was there.
And you do yourself a disservice trying to do so. Just be the best right now. I remember telling this to a great rapper. You know, he was like, man, y'all time was this, y'all was this, but it doesn't matter. It's your time now. This is your time. And it's for you to be the best right now. So Chris Brown, the best right now. Drake, the best right now.
LeBron, the best right now.
I mean...
That's what I'm putting.
It is what it is.
It is what it is.
Mace, the best on sports,
the best right now.
It don't matter what niggas did before.
Mace and Cam,
the best right now.
We're not getting into all of that old stuff and what they did, right?
Because it translates everywhere.
Stat, the best right now.
Yeah, he snapped.
That's what we should be shooting for.
It's the realization.
Okay.
Well, that's all the time we have for today. Maurice, thank you for being here.
There we go.
And thank you.
Stat in Titletown.
And the expert, Titletown.
Yes.
Drake never sent me that hat.
Drake making stealer hats now?
You don't even like the stealers.
It would have been crazy I walked on here with the Steeler hat though.
Real crazy.
Shout out.
Thank you all for watching
and as always,
it is what it is.