IT IS WHAT IT IS - MA$E PAYS RESPECT TO MRS WALLACE, MAVS FORFEITING & WHAT'S IT MEAN TO BE AN INFLUENCER | S6 EP42

Episode Date: March 17, 2025

Ma$e, Cam'ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are here with another one!! On this episode, Ma$e talks about being in attendance for Mrs Wallace funeral felt like an end of an era, Cade Cunningham gets ejected from the OKC game, do referees have TOO much power over players, Mavericks really might forfeit games this year for not having enough on their roster & we debate what's it mean to really be an influencer?! Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Support the show and sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code CAM and get a $1000 first deposit match, and a Special Pick'em pick. Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson , Producer Ayooo Nick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello y'all, uh I was selling crack on a private jet up in a hell and back But no confusion, this a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Yeah, Murda here, he countin' money He said, can't man the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga

Black fences and white vigas Now I'm out here and I'm lookin' for more chandeliers and light pictures Nah, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is. This episode is sponsored by Underdog. The app's an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states, including California, Texas, and New York, just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the underdog app. Use code MACE, CAM, or STAT to get up to a thousand dollars in bonus credits

with your first deposit and a free pick. I'm Treasurer Wilson aka Stat Baby along with your host Mace and Cam. Killer was good man. Was good bro how you? You all right? Chilling man chilling. What's going on? Ch man. It was good, bro. How you? You all right? Chilling, man, chilling. What's going on? Chilling. How was... I said chill.

Okay, okay. You're aggressive, man. What's the word Cindy saying? You puffed up today, man. You puffed up. How was Mrs. Wallace's funeral, man? Oh, that was a real... It was interesting. It was good, but, it was interesting.

It was good, but then it was also like heartfelt because while I was sitting there, I was thinking it felt like an end of an era. Right. That's what I was looking at when I was sitting there, just looking at all of the videos and then people that were there, if you were there and I didn't say hello,

it's just cause my mom was somewhere else. It was were there and I didn't say hello, it's just because my mind was somewhere else. It was probably some people I should have said hello to, but you know. My brain was somewhat closed. A lot of people don't know, not to cut you off, a lot of people don't know Mase got up in the middle of the show last week. If y'all didn't see him towards the end of the show, it's because he left to make sure that he made it there on time.

So condolences to the Wallace family. And for me especially, because Mase took me to Biggie and I never had the chance to meet Miss Wallace, but just a blessing as son gave me, along with Mase and a few others, just my condolences that I can't say I'm sorry more than enough. The one thing I heard though, I heard you was sitting next to Puff's son and y'all ain't wanna sit next to each other.

That's what niggas was telling me in the streets. I'm just saying I wasn't there, I was just wondering. I heard they put y'all by each other and y'all ain't really, the vibe wasn't right. I don't mean to turn a somber situation into. I got eyes on you, I got eyes on you. You know, I got niggas watching you every you go. I got to make sure you say I got eyes on you. You know, I got eyes on you and now you are commodity. I got to make sure you be a watchman.

I mean, you know, I saw him. We I think we we we we looked at each other, but I don't think he saw me. I would have said was up. OK, I mean, if my name was on the list, I go visit. Pop, you know, no, that's what I was about. I wasn go visit Puff you know. No that's what I was about to ask. I wasn't going to ask you that but that's interesting because I didn't know where it was at because somebody told me it's like Mason Puff's surname is kind of posted sitting next to each other.

There wasn't no problem because you could feel the pores like. But that's interesting you would go see Puff? Yeah I mean I would visit him see make sure he was good you know. Why didn't you do it when he was out? Why, see, make sure he was good, you know. Why didn't you do it when he was out? Why didn't you make sure he was good? Why didn't you make sure he was good when he wasn't in there? Why are you waiting until he gets in there to make sure he good? These are the times when you need people to check up and make sure you're good, you know?

And not that I condone anything that they're alleging them to have done, it's just until they prove it, you know, you kind of want to make sure that you don't be like one of those people that somebody did good for you. He didn't do all bad, he did some good, so. We definitely live in a country of society He didn't do all bad. He did some good. So, definitely did some good. We definitely live in a country and society

that is not innocent till proven guilty, is guilty till proven innocent. So when people already ostracized you, put you on the mic scroll for things that you're accused of, knowing if you're not accused of, well, not knowing if you're guilty or not. So I get where you're coming from, innocent. I ain't talking about the tape stuff and all of that. I'm talking about just the musical side

giving me an opportunity, I think, as a person of class, you definitely gotta show up and sit some way in the court if they let you. Nah, I dig that 100%. You think you're innocent? I don't know. Who did more for you, Puff or JD? JD put more money in my pocket. Puff definitely gave me an opportunity.

But real quick, so, but JD put more money in your pocket because you might have been down with Puff though. Do you think that or do you think he would have gave it to you anyway? That definitely got something to do with it. That definitely got something to do with it. That's what's up. We'll see how the trial plays out. Yeah, so if they throw my name on the list, I think right now would be a perfect time for me. I'm going to have a conversation. Okay, so Mase, when are you going to do a talk with Fleek? Because that's what it's getting. Right now would be a perfect time for me. I'm gonna have a conversation. Okay. So Mace, when are you gonna do a talk with Fleek? Because that's what it's getting.

I told Mace a while ago he needed to do his own sort of work for murder. I told him this. Mace got, listen, you think my story is this crazy? Mace sitting on a vault full of stories, my nigga. And I like when the times like this, when he opens up, pause, because he doesn't, it's very rare that he opens up and talks about a few things. Axe makes about some shit probably about three weeks ago,

maybe a month ago about some shit. He said, I gotta wait till I see you to talk about it. I said, yeah. I said, yeah. I said, we still running. I said, yeah. I'm asking some shit about sports. He told me, nah, nah, I'll wait till I see you to talk about it.

I said, he's still living by some old rules. All right, I dig it. That's cool. But yeah, Snap, when he does open up, pause, and talk, people love to hear this stuff, especially me. For certain things I know, but then certain things I don't know, the intricacy of it. I know certain shit.

I'd be like, why did that happen? Oh, I went home that night. So yes, I like the hit too. Okay, so we're actually going to start by talking about the Pistons. Okay, see, there's a lot of talk. Why are we talking about the Pistons? They're giving more and more of a stronger case of why we should be talking about them.

So on Saturday, the Pistons lost to OKC 113 to 107. Cade Cunningham got ejected late in the third quarter. The reasoning was for disrespectfully addressing an official with profanity. And then after the free throw for the first tech was shot, Cade continued to use profanity toward the official and received his second tech foul and was ejected. So it comes to a point with all these conversations, people are wondering, when do we discuss the ref's involvement in close cases like these? Because clearly it's an issue, it's frustrating and changing the whole outcome of the game.

So, Cam, what do you think about just the refs and like kind of the way that they're going about these situations in the game? Pardon me, I was looking at something real quick. Look, the refs are, look, we're looking at a lot of different things when it comes from referees. The ref, I think, what the fuck, last week, there was 297,000 fouls in one game. They set a record of some crazy shit of the most fouls in a game ever.

I'm not telling referees to ignore fouls or ignore calls or anything like this, but sometimes the referees, not just in basketball, in sports period, make it about them. And the fans are not there to see you. And the thing that pisses me off about the NBA more than anything else is that, is that the referees don't call a lot of shit that need to be called. We sat there and watched the game last night. I'm not even going to talk about Detroit and, and OKC. I know we you're making a point about that stat because we're talking about the referees. But let's just go to last night's game, OKC and Milwaukee, which was a really good game as well.

The referees were decent, but I seen 14 walks traveling calls that wasn't called. I seen 17 fouls that wasn't called and then shit that don't need to be called is being called. I don't understand how it's working. I don't know how it's going, but I know one thing and I hate to compare commissioners because I think that David Stern was too strict on certain things and I think that Adam Silver's

too lenient on certain things. So where's the median at? And I don't know where to find it at. But yes, a lot of times these referees are making it about them. But forget the game about Saturday. I'd rather talk about last night's game because OKC actually beat Milwaukee. And Milwaukee, one thing about Milwaukee, look, they started off playing like shit the

beginning of the season. We didn't know what was going to happen. We was like, Doc Rivers might not have been the best look. We don't know if Damian Lillard should have been there because that's not looking like the best look since they traded him for Drew Holiday. Giannis is not being Giannis, et cetera, et cetera. In some type of way, they crawl back into the fourth seed in the Eastern Conference, which they're looking pretty decent.

But right now, those people with them abbreviations, O, the K, and the C, are on a rampage. It doesn't matter who it is. It doesn't matter who's on the other side of the ball from Shea Gilder's Alexander. You are going to run into problems. And that's exactly what happened again last night. 31 points. They went into Milwaukee, not just beat Milwaukee

at their house, they beat Milwaukee in Milwaukee, Mason, second hometown. They went in there and beat the shit out them niggas. And we get there and I sit there and think like, damn, it looked like a time when Yannis was about to be that nigga. It looked like it was about to, after he won that chip, it looked like,

uh-oh, he might ring off three, four, five chips. And it just hasn't been the same. Has personnel been the same? No. Has coaching been the same? No. Has pieces and parts around the team moved? Absolutely yes. But where does this speak about Milwaukee? Because let's think about this. At the beginning of the season,

I didn't necessarily even have them in my top three. I had Philly, I had Boston, and we had New York. Now we see the tobacco that happened in Philly. They're not looking really that good. But where do we have Milwaukee as fans right now, or analysts or people who watch the game? Where do you place them? Do you even place them above the Knicks right now?

We not are placing them above Boston. Do we place them above Cleveland? We're sitting there two Hall of Famers, looking at two Hall of Famers, talking about the Greek Freak and Damien Lillard. And we sit there and say, it's Phoenix. I don't know if we talk about them today or not, but if we do, we do.

But Phoenix just looks like somebody who had to eat their homework in front of their teachers. They look like they're very disinterested and don't wanna play basketball. It's looking like they're rushing to get the season over. And it's showing. It's one thing when it's being disguised and you can't really tell, but it's obviously showing.

And I know there's several investigations going on right now around the NBA with different teams, load management, wrestling players, et cetera. I would hate to have to put Phoenix under investigation for their lackluster performances in the last few games. But my main thing is that, to answer your question, the ref is doing too much. But putting more focus on two things, pardon me,

or two things. Where do we keep Milwaukee right now with the playoffs about to start? Can they win the seven game series? We know they probably could win the first round. Would they be able to win the second round? And right now, who knows if they can win the first round? I think if it started today and I may be mistaken, they play Indiana.

I don't know. I don't know. This is this would be a great match. They lost last year. The Greek Freak didn't play because he was hurt and not get it. But we can't sit there and keep sleeping on Indiana because at the end of the day, Indiana actually is right behind them in the standings. If I'm not mistaken, I could be wrong.

But we got to put some respect on Indiana's name. They're not in the playing. It's two years in a row they're going to the playoffs. They're a smaller city. they don't have the fair feel like when Reggie Miller used to play there or Chuck Persons or the people who used to have those type of names. Jalen Rose.

Jalen Rose, the two McKennie, who was the two? Yeah, the brothers. Brothers, yeah, they, you know, like Rick Smits, you know what I'm saying? They don't have that, but they have something that's keeping them afloat, not even to leak into the play-in. So where are we keeping Milwaukee?

And right now, the way OKC looking, it's just looking dangerous. Mace wasn't here, but I was saying that my only concern with OKC was looking at how they were playing the seven game series. And they played, I don't know if it was Minnesota or Denver last week, back to back two days in a row. And they beat them back to back. It was Denver. They beat them back to back games. And I'm like, we look in this seven game series, they looking dangerous. You confident about that now that they won two games?

No, I'm not confident actually about it, Mace, but I'm just observing. All right, I'm just making sure. No, it's not a problem. I would love for you to make sure. That you're standing on SGA. I'm standing on statistics. They're number one in defensive percentage.

They're number one in going to three point. They're the second youngest team in the NBA right now. SGA is leading the league in scoring. I'm paying attention to what's going on. Do I trust them in the seven game series? Not until I see them in the seven game series. They lost in the second round last year and they finished in first place last year.

They're gonna finish in first place again this year. Are they gonna win? Are they gonna be able to get past the second round? And that's my question. That was a good take. I got the Knicks tied with Milwaukee for third in the East for all of the Knicks fans. So you don't have to get your panties in a bunch.

We putting the Knicks right there with Milwaukee. They're tied for third. With the refs, I think they're getting paid too much. I think the increase of pay is where all of this is coming from. I'm not pocket watching, but they say that, you know, the the really good reps, they make anywhere from one hundred and eighty thousand to to five hundred thousand a year, and then they're making about, you know, twenty or so

in a playoff game or even more than that. And and they just they get money, you know, when people start getting money, they start feeling themselves, they call and stuff like they want to call it because they got paper, you know, that's what it feels like to me. Balls, definitely that because the things they're calling doesn't make any sense. You know, the stuff they call and they call in too much. It used to be when two competitive teams play, the coach normally will go. I mean, the ref will go at half court and tell him, I'm going to let you guys play.

Or if it's an important game, I'm going to let you all win it. It don't seem like they're letting them win it. It seemed like the refs are winning the games. And, you know, and you guys are talking about Kansas City all year so I would figure y'all one of y'all would have brought that up because they're doing it in the NBA. I just have a follow-up question. Yeah. That's your team. So JB Bickerstaff went viral basically in the postgame presser talking about the refs because y'all could tell he was fired up and frustrated he was

going like this he was like I was disgusted with the way the game was officiated. The level of disrespect disrespect was above and beyond. So basically when hearing that and then seeing how Kate Cunningham couldn't even be vocal to the refs or kind of question the calls that they were making. Have you ever been maced in a situation where you felt disrespected by either a coach or an authoritative figure or somebody kind of above you and how did you kind of handle that because in these situations literally what are the players supposed to do? When you when you when you're disrespected by somebody above you that's pause that's a hard place to be in because it doesn't have to change so

that's gonna be a real trying time for you to show your your self control or your composure because changes don't get made from the bottom pause they get made from the top. So even though people like to say revolution and all that revolution can be stopped. Okay, and then exactly the exact question. Yeah, basically, have you ever been disrespected by an authoritative figure or a coach or somebody in that realm? And then how did you handle that situation?

Yeah, absolutely. I've been disrespected by a person in a higher position, whether probably coaches or... I can't think, but I know it's happened. I really had no jobs for a nigga, the boss, to tell me what to do. I'm trying to think of somebody, my uncle or somebody in front of people, I'm trying to think. Look, I'm being honest with you.

Anybody? Yeah, your grandfather, Paul. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. His disrespect was disrespect. It was high. But you know, I ain't gonna do that to family. But yeah, his disrespect was at the top of the motherfucking charts.

Coaches, yeah, probably so. One thing about me is that whether it's coaches, whether it's a higher authority, whether it's a bitch that didn't want to give me her number, whatever, my whole thing when I feel disrespected is okay, watch. That ass. That.

That's it, I got one word. That. No disself. No disself. Word nigga. That. I remember yo, I swear to God man, I was in school stat. I bought a few pair of jeans, maybe three, four.

And I ain't used to wash my jeans all the time. These girls, these girls from Brooklyn used to be in our school. They are like a little crew. Pache, what was the fucking them bitches name? Pache, whatever them brand, them bitches in Brooklyn. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know who you're talking about.

The Brooklyn crew, they little dancers and shit. And I was, and we was in the lunch room one day and I said, son, we was going back and forth, but I said, she said, shut up, your jeans are so dirty, I can't even argue with you. I was like. Yeah, that was crazy. I was like, yeah, all right.

Brooklyn shit. Yeah, it was Brooklyn. Bitch, I just, I'm on my DOS effect shit. Fuck is you talking about? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, gang the more the story is, you see, I'm talking about some shit that's over 30,

maybe 30, over 30 years ago. You still remember it. Because I'm looking for it. I have seen it since I've been on. I've been waiting to see outside the barricades. Yo, kid, I've been waiting to see outside the barricades. Yo, kid, I've been waiting for one of these. That's her name was Pasha, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, man. This is, shut up, I can't hear you. Your jeans are so filthy. I feel like shit. But I said, but I said, put you right on the list. That's my state when I feel disrespected to where we can do nothing valid, you have to just accept it and eat it. My whole attitude pause has always been, hey, yeah, and let it motivate you.

Yeah, exactly. That's what you're exactly. Motivation. OK. So before being ejected in that game, Cade Cunningham had 11 points tonight. The Pistons will play the Pelicans. Underdog has Kate at twenty seven and a half points. Do you have him higher? Laura Mase. Twenty seven and a half points. No rebounds on assist. Just points.

I'm going higher. It's the Pelicans. I'm throwing disrespect that way. Nah, I'm just playing. Nah, but I'm definitely going higher. Okay. I'm throwing disrespect that way. Them niggas is eliminated from the playoffs. They're not even in the playoffs right now.

Only reason I would say I'm going to go lower is because I don't think that everybody's going to play for the Pelicans and I don't think it'll be a close game. Pelicans don't need this, they already eliminated it. It's a position game, absolutely. Pause for the Detroit Pistons. But I don't think it'll be close and I don't think the K to have to do that much work. That's the only reason I'm going to go low.

Actually, and then Zion's at 34 and a half points, rebounds and assists. Do you have him high? Lower, lower, lower. I can't trust him to play. I can't trust him to play. And all that, and let me tell you guys, our underdog family and fans and people,

make sure you download the app, subscribe to the underdog app, and make sure you go use Code Camp, stat, mace, et cetera. But let me explain something to you. If Zion plays two minutes and doesn't score and doesn't get back in the game, it's lower, all right? I'm just gonna explain that to the audience.

Same way, two years ago when we asked the first game of the season, if Brett, probably Brett. Aaron Rodgers. If Aaron Rodgers is gonna have 196 yards and he got hurt on the first play. Nigga had minus three, you lose. Take my word. You could use Code Care, Mesa, or Stat.

Use the codes though. Zion's gonna be low because I don't, I have no faith that he's playing. It doesn't make sense for him to play unless he's just getting in shape. And even if he does play, he's not gonna play a full game because they're not even going to make it to the playing. That's crazy, Keller.

I'm going I'm going on law, actually, too. How is it crazy? Because you do disrespect this way. Zon ain't do nothing to you. No, I do disrespect the Pelicans way. No disrespect to Zion either. But the Pelicans, they're a mess. It's a damn mess over there.

But this is one of the organizations that we thought would be all right. Now, look, do they got bad luck? Yeah, Zions always hurt. Ingram got out of there. Murray got over there. Murray's hurt. CJ McCullough, he's playing decent, but he's a shell of what he used to be in Portland. They're not having the success that we thought they were had and they had some decent pieces, but year after year it just seems to fall apart.

I think all this goes back to when they didn't let Chris Paul go to the Lakers. Possibly. Possibly. So there are a lot of teams in real sticky situations and right now we're going to talk about the Mavs because they could be forced to forfeit NBA games amid injuries and salary cap rules. So according to NBA rules, the team must list a minimum of 12 active players for each game with no fewer than eight players sitting on the bench in a uniform. Dallas is down to eight healthy players. So the Sixers and the Mavs have the largest injury reports in the NBA as a whole. So Mase, what's your opinion specifically on the Mavs for the largest injury reports in the NBA as a whole. So, Mase, what's your opinion specifically on the Mavs

for the trajectory of their season and basically just all these injuries? Because, yeah, we're talking about this team has injuries, this team does, but they clearly have a problem that's bigger than just that. No, I actually think this is a wonderful time for the Dallas Mavericks because they got a few guards that were sitting behind Luca and Kyrie that never was getting in the game that could actually play. And I think this is the opportunity for them to prove that they have. I think one of the guards that came probably fresh out of high school

or at least one year in college that was supposed to be one of those guys. And, you know, shout out to him and his family. I think his last name is Smart or something like that. And he was, he was balling. He was balling, you know, before he got to the Mavs. So this is a perfect opportunity. You don't wish that your teammate get hurt, but this is definitely one of those opportunities

where you get to showcase what you can do and maybe move to another team. This is preposterous. It's actually fucking preposterous. What Ty Walls just said today, man. Six thousand Tyler Tosby jumping, man. This shit's got a life of their own. They start costing more than 5,000 for the tie murder. The Mavericks forfeiting games.

I've been playing basketball a long time when I played basketball. I didn't play, well actually, I didn't play basketball a long time. I've been watching basketball for a long time. I've never, and I could be wrong, I'm just saying me, but my eyes, I've never seen an NBA game be forfeited.

Forfeit, yeah. I've been to games where we only have four, we looking for the, waiting for the fifth nigga, when the clock running down, murder, told about he hit the bus, not run. Hurry up for the nigga, forfeit the game, et cetera. Dallas Mavericks, if they want to forfeit games, I think this is done purposely for them to forfeit games.

I understand that Kyrie's hurt, Anthony Davis hurt, Lively's been hurt, Gaffer's been hurt. I understand that 100%. But it's nowhere in the world that y'all can't pull people up from y'all G League team to fill in for the spots that people are not hurt. I think that this trade didn't go as well as they want, at least not this soon, because especially with Kyrie being hurt, Anthony Davis coming back is not going to mean as much with Kyrie not being there.

Kyrie has a season and an injury. So I don't think that Dallas wants to forfeit games, but I don't think that they'll be mad and be like, oh, we don't have enough players, or we don't got enough this. Call up some niggas from the G League. I got a whole G League team for situations exactly like this.

A whole G League team. Now I don't know how many two way players they have on Dallas, but they have to have at least two or three two way players. When I say two way players, that on Dallas, but they have to have at least two or three two way players. When I say two way players, that's people who sign contracts. So they're with Dallas and they're with their G League team. Every team has a few of those players where.

Sorry, not to cut you off. So basically regarding that to answer your question. So Brandon Williams and Kessler Edwards are the two G League players, but they've almost exhausted how many games they can play in because they can only play up to 50 games with their NBA team. So Edwards had played for 37, 44 total. So he has about three, four more games and then Williams has only about six more. If he has 44 total, so that means he has six games of 50, right? And what's the other person?

Yeah, he only had, yeah, so one has three more games and one has six more. So one played 47, one played 44. So only motherfucking 12 games left, Stat. It's 12 games left. What is it with 33 and 36 is 69, right? Well, so 47 total, so even though he sat for them, you can only be in 50 games total.

Yeah, you don't really have to get in the game. They can put us on the team. Yeah, and Murda, what I'm saying is this, right? Sell tickets. We're going to sell tickets. I totally agree with that. But what I'm saying is this, I'm looking in here just doing some simple math.

It's 69 games played for Dallas. It's 82 games. Figure it out, the last 13 games, all right? Come on now, figure it out. Jason Kidd throw a jersey or. Yeah, no. Sham, throw a jersey or, if need be. Jim Jackson is in the arena.

Jim Jackson in the game, man. Michael Parsons. Dak Prescott. Go get somebody to finish out these 13 games, man. And that's that. Cause I tell you one thing, I know what's on my calendar, April 2nd, when Luca get back to that motherfucker arena in Dallas, it is gonna be a fucking zoo in there.

Don't talk about your forfeit at that motherfucking day. Don't talk about all some forfeit when Luca got in. That would be the day they jotted forfeit. Yeah, April 2nd, do not, because that's been on my calendar since the trade. Do not forfeit on April 2nd. You better figure it out, Nico and Michael Finley. You better figure it the fuck out. And the player name, well, I messed it up.

It was not Smart as Hardy. Jaden Hardy. Jaden Hardy. Yeah. And then speaking of Nico, so after losing to the Sixers, I messed it up. It was not smart as Hardy. Jayden Hardy. Yeah. And then speaking of Nico, so after losing to the Sixers, PJ Washington spoke in a postgame presser saying, at the end of the day, the trade has happened.

Obviously talking about Luca, all the fire Nico stuff. We're sick and tired of hearing it. We just want to go out there and play. We need the fans to support us no matter who's on the floor. That's just how I feel about it. So, Mase, how do you feel about what PJ Washington had to say? And what do you think their GM situation is going to be? Because now you can't you can't say that, PJ Watson, you can.

But it doesn't make sense. Like people tell me my takes don't make sense. That definitely doesn't make sense. Like you can't tell people how to feel when you trade off the best player on the team. That makes no sense. If we woke up in Chicago and you said, hey, they traded Michael Jordan, you'll be like, for who? Like, that's how it looks when you say you traded Lukas, no matter what you got, you know? And then if that player you bring in get hurt within a week or two weeks time,

it definitely looked like a bad trade. Remember, I tell you, you don't have to like what I'm saying, but time will tell you if what I'm saying is true. That's so as time goes on, it looks like that was the worst decision you could have made. So you can't tell people to get over what you've done. That's that's called I'm not calling you narcissistic, but that's one of those things

that is a trait of narcissism. Like you hurt people and then tell them, get over it. You can't tell people when they get over stuff that you've done to them. Well, one thing I do is I actually do that. I might be narcissists, cause I definitely tell you, get over it and move on. There's no reason to still be sitting here crying

about what I did last week. Move on. I set you up for that, cause I knew you was going to say that. Yeah, well thank you. Cause I, it's the truth. I can't deal with shit when people be crying. And to me, and that's, and I know I have a problem with that. I know I have a problem with that.

Because sometimes people will be upset and crying and I'll be like, this is nothing. No, I even died. Like, what are you crying for? But I can't make my shell their shell. Like, because- Yeah, you're right. And I have a real, I'm not gonna lie to you, I can't make my shell their shell. Like because. Yeah, you're right.

And I have a real, I'm gonna lie to you, like all jokes aside, really, I have a real hard time with that. Making my feelings have to be somebody else's feelings. Like, yo, my nigga, okay, I said your mother used to get high, she did. She's better now. She went to Phoenix House. She's a better person. You get over that, man. We were snapping. We both said a bunch of shit that we didn't want to do. That we didn't want to say. And then when shit go left, it's I'm a bad person, but you don't remember what you told me.

Whatever. Stab, bail him out, stab. I don't need no bail. That's kinda like empathy. He feels how he feels, like I can't change that. I don't need no bail. I don't need no bail. I don't keep a hunny.

I'm going to trial, keep me into the trial, nigga. I'm just saying, at least, like one thing for sure, two things for certain, at least I'm admitting I have a problem. Some people don't like admitting they have a problem. Sin is the number one person that doesn't admit he's having a problem. I don't know why I'm still arguing with Sin,

and he's telling me, matter of fact, Murda, he wanna speak to you. I'm gonna let him speak to you because he's telling me. I'm gonna see if he has, let him go do a live cause he telling me. He thinks you tell me stuff when I say the same exact answer. That's why, that's why. He said, y'all niggas can't think that much of life.

That's why he say, it was something that going on. If you pick up now, I'm gonna let him do it right now. Because if I say it on the show, you gonna say, I told you already. If you don't pick up, I'm gonna say it anyway. Here you go. Yo, I sound like you in the gym. We got exactly 90 seconds and we on the air.

Ask Murda the question you wanted that you asked me yesterday about basketball and learning stuff. When we was talking about who invented shit, go ahead. You got 90 seconds. It's gotta be quick. We'd laugh murders. Listen, it makes us listen.

When did you learn to pick and roll? At what age was you had to be like middle school. So, so yes. He's six. What What? What did you tell him? I told him Mr. Page taught me at Gauchos

at nine years old. So he asked me, he said that Mase player, I said I played against Mase in nine, 10 Superbitties. I don't know if Thurman and them was doing Pick and Roll, but Mr. Page and Dave and them at Gauchos was taking us Pick and Roll. That's middle school. But the nigga, I learned this is super biddies.

You should have not gotten to ninth grade and not know Pick and Roll. He's talking about it ain't come out to cause. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Hold on, let me add something, because I know how y'all two do.

So you mean to tell me he said middle school all by himself? First of all, I'm being honest with you, I think Mace is bugging, because I think it he said middle school all by himself? First of all, I'm being honest with you. I think Mace is bugging because I think it's before middle school. My personal opinion, if you play a super biddies at nine, 10, 11 years old, at least the Gauchos at Riverside, they teaching you pick and roll. Young life was a little more fuc...

Middle school is seventh grade, sixth grade. That's 12 years old. But you was playing when you was 10 years old. So hold on, you said you learned it at 8 and 9 years old, Cam. I did. Yeah, but Young Light was more one-on-one. Yeah, he played, Mace played with Young Light. The man ain't no pick and roll.

Young Light, ice cream, move out the way. I got this, nigga. Get out the way. One more question. You know Tex Winters have been to the Triangle offense. Y'all didn't know what it was until Phil Jackson made it hot. No, no, no, no. I told him this, Murdo. I said, you're right. And the same thing with the pick and roll. John Stockton and Carmelo made it hot and made it popular. Same thing with Phil Jackson. He made it hot and made it popular. But that don't mean when Tex Winters invented the pick and roll,

I mean pardon me, the trying offers in 1940 to 1990s or 80s when Phil Jackson was using it, that doesn't mean it wasn't used in between. It just means that Phil Jackson made it popular. Somebody at Texas, Arcana could have used it. Nebraska could have used it. Michigan could have used it. Okay could have used it. Michigan- What I'm asking you is how did your coach, Page, know

who invented the pickle roll? How did he know him? Mr. Page was 100 years old when I was nine. What the fuck is you talking about? So it was cool when he told him the secret. How would he know? There was no- I'm done.

If Mace, you want to continue this, Mace answered your question, all right? He said middle school. I think you had a conversation, but I'm going to let it go. I'm going to let it go. Because he wasn't going to say middle school. You was probably looking at him a funny way, right? No.

Status right here. Status in there looking, Mace. He says no. But the fact that you think that John Stockton called Malone May vented the pick and roll is preposterous. You have a good evening. You have a good evening. I'm going to let you know.

I'm going to let you know. I'm going to let you know. I'm going to let you know. I'm going to let you know. I'm going to let you know. I'm going to let you know. I'm going to let you know. I'm going to let you know. I'm going to let you know. I'm going to let you know. And she says, no. But the fact that you think that John Stockton, Carl Malone may have invented the pick and roll preposterous, y'all have a good evening. Yeah, that's crazy.

And he's like, I want to speak to Mace. I want to speak to Mace. And you better not tell him nothing when we speak to him. I said, all right, fine if you want, bro. Mace learned the pick and roll before John Stockton and Carl Malone came around, man. Where does he get this information from? This is crazy.

Like I'm telling them that's like six, seven, eighth grade. You should not be in the ninth grade and don't know to pick and roll. Exactly, he talking about, if you ain't seen it from John Stockton, Karl Malone, you know, we actually played basketball, my nigga. Did they perfect it and make it probably the best niggas to ever use it?

Yes. But I sent them a clip from 1979 when Dale Dawkins did the shit. He told me about it sloppy. Yo, it's the pick and roll, bro. Yeah, he stands on that and never changes his mind. I remember, so it's like, you're arguing with your wall.

He doesn't take accountability. Oh gosh, y'all. We're going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss the team who snapped the Cavs winning streak. Don't go anywhere. She call this thing about toxic Four years and counting Got you feeling like an option Maybe I'm her own problem, babe She tired of hearing I don't know My stubborn and me won't fall Oh, oh, dealing with this thing called trust But she really thinkin' I wanna be free Why am I in this one? Welcome back.

So the magic snapped the Cavs franchise best 16 game win streak. So Mace, do these type of losses place doubts and cause concern for you when you're watching the Cavs play or is it something not to even worry? No, sometime for the Cavaliers, you go on such a run, you need these. You need this kind of loss just to regroup and to make sure that you you're ready when they count, because what you don't want to do is go on such a tear and then. Begin to get these losses in the first round or the second round, something like that. So you always need something like this to recalibrate the team.

And the coach is definitely love when this happens because it gives you a window why you can motivate, remotivate the team to what we really want to do this year and what we really want to do in the playoffs. So I think it's perfect for the Cavs and for their coaching staff. No, no, I agree with Mason. I know why we whatsoever. But the Cavs, if I'm not mistaken, went on three different 11 game winning streaks this year.

They're sensational. They look good. You can't win every game. If you could win every game, it would have been done already. But what they've done this season so far, they super exceeded expectations. And the loser game to a division, not division,

but what I say, somebody in the conference is gonna make the playoffs as well. It was a good, it was a good chinchack, but was it really a chinchack? They won 16 in a row. It's not a lot of teams in the NBA ever that won 16 in a row on different franchises. I've really not that big a different take

than Mase just said. Just something that's gonna prepare them for the playoffs, give them a little bit more motivation. But they wasn't gonna win the rest of the games this season. It would have been nice, but they wasn't gonna do it. But I don't think it's a big deal. I wouldn't be worried at all. Okay, and then we're gonna switch gears

to football real quick, because this was a whole social media exchange. So former Cowboys player Demarcus Lawrence trolled the Cowboys after signing a new $42 million Seahawks contract. He played with the Cowboys for 11 seasons and after he said, Dallas is my home. I made my home there. My family lives there. I'm forever going to be there. I know for sure I'm not going to win a Super Bowl there.

So, yeah, we're here. Michael Parsons responded, this is what rejection and emmy looks like. This is some clown shit. So regarding his initial statements, do you think he was wrong for what he said? Who? Demarcus Lawrence. I think I think Parsons responded the way he should have, especially when he tried to throw shots at the Cowboys. But did he lie about anything?

No, he didn't lie about anything. He wasn't going to win there. And to actually get a bag somewhere else, the question is, are you going to win in Seattle? I think that's the bigger question that you did not ask. But you know, how do I feel about it? I don't feel no way about anything coming from the Cowboys. Anything dealing with the Cowboys, I'm a killer on that.

It's nothing to talk about the Cowboys. We don't have Michael Irvin here. Why are we talking about that? I totally agree with Mace. Look, point being is this, if he gonna get paid more money in Seattle, basically what you saying, right, Stat? He gotta pay more money in Seattle, basically, which you say it rights that, he gotta pay more money. I don't know if it's necessarily more, but it's just, you know, different.

He's been there 11 seasons. He's been in 11 seasons. Trust me, at the end of the day, it's two things. Your family is there. Your community is there. You know everything. Your restaurant's where you want to eat, et cetera. And I don't know if it's a money thing

or what the situation is, but, you might as well, like I said, I started giving too much more detail, but if it's more money, even if I don't win in Seattle, at least I get more money for not winning. What, if I wasn't gonna win in Dallas, and I'm not going gonna win in Dallas, and I'm not gonna win in Seattle, please give me the most money for where I'm not gonna win at. If I gotta be somewhere.

That's a good way to look at it. Yeah, if I'm not gonna win at either place, don't you think I should get the highest money I could get. As far as what Parson said, I dig it. He's a loyal cowboy and, you know, he probably got his chicken. So I'm not mad at him for what he said. He's just protecting the brand. But one thing for sure,

two things for certain, Mike and Parson, you better make sure you know how cool you are with Jerry Jones, sticking up for Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. And it seems good today, but Jerry Jones don't know niggas when they leave. Only thing you need to see Michael Irvin. He's in the loop.

We got Michael Irvin, we got Troy Aikman, we got Emmet Smith, who we know are good. Yeah, and Romo. Romo too. Yeah, Romo. Romo's, Romo's. Yeah, and Romo. Romo too. Yeah, Romo. Romo's, Romo's. He full with Romo. He fuck with Romo, you ain't lying.

Everybody else, look, and that's my nigga, we follow each other, like each other's shit on Instagram. That's a good person to ask, Michael Parson. And I'm gonna ask myself, we'll put this clip up on one of our pages, and then this person can ask how it is after you're not a cowboy anymore. Dez Bryant, how does the cowboy organization treat you

now that you're not a cowboy anymore, and you play exceptionally well for them when you were playing for them? You didn't win the Super Bowl, but I thought you had an outstanding career with the Cowboys. How are you treated, and not talking about when you come to the arena once in a while, like, oh, Des, Des, I'm talking about

when you trying to get through for that one call, like, yo, my nigga, I need a little favor. Do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do That's a great person to ask how he's treated by the Cowboy organization. He may say nigga They give me whatever I want is great everything else But all you Cowboys that play right now who feel that the Jerry Jones and anybody got your back Talk to some of these players who didn't win a championship Don't talk to Michael Irvin do not talk to Emmitt Smith do not talk to Tony Romo do not talk to Trey Aiman Outside of Tony Romo the other three people I named got Jerry Jones' three championships and he hasn't seen one since. So them people are there forever.

Talk to the ones who didn't win the championship by decent careers. I'm not mad at either person. So to answer your question, so back in 2019 he signed the richest deal in Cowboys history so he had five years, 105 million dollars guaranteed. So he was getting paid well, but I mean, he wasn't getting the win that he wanted. Yeah, I dig it. He wasn't winning. How long you want somebody to stick with you if you're not winning?

Well, let me ask you this, Murdo. What if you're married and you're not winning? How long you wanted to stick with you? That's a good question. Yeah. I think the same rules. I'm like nah. Some people think the same rules apply.

I don't wanna do this no more. You're not winning in life. There's a lot of women that think that way. I would say 99 bar over the nine. Yeah, listen, Stad ain't dating no garbage man. Stad don't even want them progressive. He's a top garbage man in all the wars in the world. He won garbage. He's a top garbage man in all the wars in the world. He's a top garbage man in all the wars in the world.

He's a top garbage man in all the wars in the world. He's a top garbage man in all the wars in the world. He's a top garbage man in all the wars in the world. He's a top garbage man in all the wars in the world. He's a top garbage man in all the wars in your life. What if- He's winning for him. But he's not winning for you. Yeah. What if he's a top garbage man in all the wars in the world? What if he does garbage for the White House?

I just don't like garbage. If you're a hot dog man, I don't like hot dogs. Like you got that. You can win, that's a win for you. That's cool. So if he got the, he own Nathan's Hot Dog. Mm-mm, mm-mm, I'm good. Yeah, you're picky.

That's not that picky. Let me ask you, son, what if he's the nigga. She's from Jacksonville too, I don't get it. Yeah, listen, what if your nigga is the nigga when you get to the restaurant and be like, oh, nice to see you, let me take you this way with the menus and sit you down. Yeah, he could sit me down and then keep a...

Oh, wait, wait. Shh. Thank you, thank you very much.... You not fucking with the nigga who seats you at the table? That's cute. What if he run the restaurant? Running the restaurant is different. Then he can get the number? That's different. Sergio can get the number? I don't know. It depends. It depends. I have to get the conversation. Running a restaurant is not the nigga

that take you to your seat is basically what she said. So let's be clear. Standards are high. So the point being is out there, if you're not winning, it's gonna be tough to stick around anywhere. Outside of sports as well. It's just the way it goes.

You gotta have fun somebody who damn for the cause, cause nigga, that nigga stat, man. I remember you used to come with them flip flops in Miami. Things didn't change. Yeah, these were different times. That bitch the reaper that came. Yeah, it's called growth and that's fine.

Evolution, we've been talking about that, man. I dig it, I ain't mad at you. So on the topic of marriage, guys, love is in the air. I had to throw this in because I wanted to get you guys' opinion. So you guys are talking about people not winning, but like they're winning in different ways. So DK Metcalf and Normani are engaged.

This is after DK got traded to this dealers from the Seahawks. And basically the backstory is Sierra and Russell Wilson actually introduced the two to each other. So they posted the FaceTime video call of them showing the engagement pictures. And then also Deshaun Watson and his long term girlfriend, Jilly, are now officially engaged. So after hearing that news, Mace, what are your thoughts? Congrats. I mean, congrats.

When you find them, if he goes for it, you got to go for it. Nah, let me stop. Let me stop. Nah, congrats. Congrats. It's always a good thing when people find love, especially when they can settle down. A lot of times they make better athletes, make better men. Shout out to Normani and- DK Metcalf. And DK Metcalf. And you said Deshaun?

Deshaun Watson and Jilly. I'm really happy for him. Yeah. So he can stay focused on football. I'm really happy. I don't know DJ Metcalfe's wife. Okay. I'm sorry DJ DK.

Normani, the girl that be dancing. She's a singer. Singing and dancing. What did she sing? Y'all can't even tell me. She had the black on when she was doing that. All I asked y'all, y'all doing all this shit. Both of y'all doing this shit.

What song do she sing? Because I should know a song. If y'all both know, y'all do it. How do you not know, man? How do you not know? How do you not know first? That dance is. See, but let me tell you something, America and New York.

No, she's fire killer. This is just before our time, after our time. I'm in the loop sometimes. What that means, what I'm trying to tell you something America and New York. No, she's fire killer. It's just before our time, after our time. I'm in the loop sometime. What that means, I'm trying to tell you America is this. I'm not acting like I know people that like they act, like they niggas doing all this. I said, what's she singing? Nigga said this shit right here.

He said she sing this. What the fuck is that? Now niggas Googling that name. Y'all cause even if I tried to show y'all, y'all would not even know the song. Cause you wouldn't. It like popped like- Now I gotta go to murder voice. How you know what I, what was the word he told me? Narcissism? No, no, no, no.

How you gonna tell me how to feel? No, no, no. How you know what I can relate to? Oh. Can you tell me how to feel? No, no, no. How do you know what I can relate to? Oh. Because I know y'all can't. Talk to this.

That's crazy. You don't know what I can relate to, Stack. You can't. They were a girl. She was in Fifth Harmony, and then she went off and did her own thing. But you didn't know the songs, Stack. I can't name her separate songs, but I know the group songs.

You don't know Waves? You sing it. Yeah. I call both, listen, I call both of them Slippin'. They talk about DK Metcalfe, wife. At least I'm honest enough to know I don't know who she is. Listen, congratulations. But I knew the moves. I knew the moves.

Pause. I did know the moves. I ain't saying you didn't, but I can't, this ain't charades, I can't get off of that. Pause. Look, DK Metcalf, I will say congratulations, and to Deshaun Watson, I'll say congratulations too. Jelly must give a hell of a hand job,

because we know what you into, man. Our hands must be quick and precise little. They're a little hair jobs man. He found you a hair job specialist son. Congratulations man. I'm happy for you. I gotta keep going out there. Got that massage right.

All jokes aside, I love a good marriage story, so I'm happy for both of them. That's what I said. Julia Singer? No, she's like an influencer workout girl. She do a hair job. I'm happy for y'all. Let me ask you something though, real quick,

cause I know we run out of time. What the fuck is an influencer if they not really influencing anybody? Where does this word come from? I'm an influencer, I'm an influencer. Where's the influence people to do? I know what you're saying, Stax, cause you're technically an influencer too. What is the influence that you get people to do?

What do you influence? You get other people to buy products that you have put out to show them. So like her being a workout influencer, if she puts on a nice set or like has the thing, like people are gonna buy it cause it's like, okay, I'm gonna look like that. So that make you a salesperson.

Is that the new word for it? Influencer. Yeah, I like salesperson. Salesperson. It's not the same thing though. You're an influencer. You're on the floor. So if you're influencing something to buy something, that's what you're saying, right?

Yeah. So you're selling it. So is you're actually, if you're not a salesperson, you're actually the person that they're using to sell something. So you used the word influencer, but actually they influenced you to sell their stuff. So who was influenced?

So you've been influenced. You're influenced. You're not influenced, sir. You've been influenced to sell stuff for the people that's actually selling the stuff. So you've been influenced. Yeah. I'm lost.

You're lost? That's the thing, yeah. So you're an influencer for Jordan Brand? Yeah. Jordan Brand influenced you to sell their product and told you you were an influencer. You're an influencer. Well, you're influencing other people to buy the product, yes. But yes, that's like the nice- What he's saying is Jordan influenced you to use your influence to work for them.

But you also make the decision to be in it. You don't have to, like I have to, I'm like, I don't know. But you wouldn't say no to Jordan. That's why he say they influenced you. Well, I like Jordan's products. And listen, we saw that we were just using advice, but what we're trying to tell all the influencers, listen, first and foremost,

I'm happy y'all found the gig out there, man. That's what it's really about. Finding a way not to get out there, doing anything illegal, anything you don't wanna do, sky survivor. But you really been influenced for what me and Murda has just talked out because, niggas say, I know what,

let's just leave stat and joy and out of it. Let's just pick Doritos. They're gonna be like, yo, let's get a fat nigga to eat Doritos and make them look delicious, lick his fingers, and tell him he's an influencer. But we actually influenced him to tell him to sell the Doritos.

So now he thinks he's an influencer because a company called him and say, you can sell Doritos. So now he thinks he's an influencer because a company calls him and say, you can sell Doritos. You feel me? So a puppet. I didn't say that. That's what you implied. So I said salesperson. I didn't say puppet style. You're getting you're getting good. It's a puppet. Call it what it is.

Listen, listen, listen, listen. You know why? I wanna differentiate different things. I don't wanna use the word puppet because you can sit there and get X amount of dollars to do a commercial. Just do it and not be a flat fee for a commercial. Like LeBron James just did an ad for Louis Vuitton.

Do I think he's a puppet? No, I don't think he's a puppet. Would he say he's an influencer? No, he would not say he's an influencer. He said, I just did an ad for Louis Vuitton. I work for the NBA. I'm actually an NBA player. I actually own different companies, et cetera.

I don't think he would label himself an influencer. But to me, my personal opinion is if you don't have nothing else going on outside of that, that's that you're an influencer because that's what you do full time. Like that isn't what stat does. Well, I agree with that point. Yeah.

It's situational. It depends on what else you're doing. But either way, she making money, they making money, they're happy, they're getting married. I love that for them. And listen, congratulations on your influence. I'm glad you influenced you. I'm glad it worked out.

Congrats. I can't, dude. No, I said, I said congratulations. Yo, listen, I don't, said, congratulations. Yo, listen, I don't listen, man. And this is a dead, this is a dead serious stat. All jokes aside. I watched the CNN.

This probably about five, six months ago. The number one kids things the kids want to do in America job title. It was a 60% is be influencers. That is the number one job murder on CNN for 60% of kids in America is they wanna be influencers. Now, them numbers might've changed if y'all wanna go do the due diligence

and check and Google and fact check, but I bet you the numbers will still be ridiculously high for kids who wanna be influencers. Why do they wanna be influencers? Why not? What are they really doing? Call me up. Yeah, I'll sell your Doritos and your Cheetos

and your leggings and your eyelashes and your hair weave and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So at the end of the day, it seems like a pretty good job to get paid for, less work. Now listen, less work, more money, I'm for it. But what are you really learning? And if we have a country full of influencers,

it's gonna be a dub, it's fucked up. You ever realize Asia, they have a time and place for they TikTok where you can only do fun shit for certain hours and you can't do the shit. Like we got all day on social media to do whatever fuck we want, you only get fun shit certain hours. Rest you can't do the shit that, like we got all day on social media to do whatever the fuck we want. You only get fun shit certain hours. The rest of the day it's curriculum

and some mother shit and everything else. And work, yeah. Yeah, because you know why? Me, me and my son and our generation may miss it, but they come and they get us. I won't be here. They come get niggas. They are plotting to come get us, man. Because won't be here. They come get niggas. They apply and come get us man. They know we stupid. We're not learning.

Hope I won't be around for it. Oh gosh. Class with Cam. Well shout out to influencers out there. Y'all make sure to Yeah hold on a sec. Shout out to the influencers y'all. I want y'all thinking like oh Cam is hating on us. I just want y'all to realize what it really is that y'all. I don't want y'all thinking like, oh, Kim is hating on us. I just want y'all to realize what it really is that y'all are doing. And I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that

because niggas like Kim is amazing, and them niggas older, and then, and then, and then. No, I'm happy. No, not Mace, you said that. You said they're salesmen and you agreed. I said they were salesmen. Then you told Stats she's learning when you called her a puppet, so you did agree with me.

So you tried not to say you agree with me, so you do agree with me. And you Stat she's learning when you called her a puppet, so you didn't agree with me. So you tried not to say you agree with me, so you do agree with me. And you said she's learning. I think this is what makes Charged to do. He tried to use other words to act like he's not agreeing, but then still agrees. If Stat says a puppet and you say you're learning, that means you agree because I don't-

I like the direction you was going in, but it didn't quite make it there. No problem. I didn't- I it there. No problem. I really agree with the, they were being influenced. That's the part I rally with you on. No, the whole thing about it is I didn't call anybody a puppet because I don't agree with you on that.

I'm not calling people puppets out here. No, it's that I call them puppets. No. I said it could be implied as a puppet. I never said that because I take part in influencing. Why would I call myself a puppet? And I said, you're learning. That's what you said.

Hmm. You didn't let me finish my thoughts. Whole thing is, my last thing is me said what I said. It didn't get the way it was going. I don't know where it was supposed to go. It stopped where I thought it should stop at. I didn't know I had another mile to go, or wherever I was supposed to go. But y'all have to influence this,

and I would just say pick up a Plan B, because what they're gonna do is try and get somebody else to influence some shit later on, my personal opinion. So get it while you're hot, pause, and then figure out a Plan B. That's where I was expecting you to go. Okay, I'm unexpected, unpredictable. I don't know where I'm going.

You can't expect me to go somewhere that I don't know where I'm going. There. Well, one thing you guys can expect, tomorrow morning, Lamont Roach, Jr. and Senior will be joining the show, so make sure y'all stay tuned. But that is all the time that we have for today. Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is. Thanks for watching!