IT IS WHAT IT IS - MAHOMES' DAD SAID HE SMOKIN' THAT LAMAR PACK & THE PROCESS DON'T WANT THE SMOKE WITH JOKER | S3 EP.19

Episode Date: January 30, 2024

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Killer, what's good? Mace, what up, nigga? What's happening, baby? Chill it, man. When you get back tomorrow, we're going to address that situation. All right? I can't wait.

Yeah, yeah. I had to make you aware of it I see you wasn't aware of it and you on the same time I'm on I gotta check in and make sure you're on the same time this is not where you wanna play this is at your own risk zone

this is at your own risk zone you say anything about it is what it is or any of these affiliates it's at your own risk zone. You say anything about it is what it is or any of these affiliates, it's at your own risk. That's a fact. That's 100% fact. Sometimes I gotta check in because I don't want you to say I'm going too far, but I'm glad we're on the same

page. Tomorrow, I'm gonna go too far, Paul. Yeah, and the thing about it is I would really, before you mention us in anything, make sure your closet's clean before you do anything else, man. Make sure of that because we're going to do the homework. We're going to do the investigation.

We're going to do the due diligence. In your attic. It's easy. In your attic. Yeah, your closet, your attic. Yeah, yeah. In your closet, in your attic. In your basement. Nice disclaimer.

I'm ready. I'm ready. Okay, so before we even get into basketball, we're going to talk about football real quick. So Patrick Mahomes' dad said he was smoking that special blend Lamar Jackson cigar after the Chiefs beat the Ravens on Sunday, he said he flew the cigar in from Cuba.

So what was your reaction to his celebration? I like Pat Mahomes, Dad. He's giving me Jadav. He's giving me Jadav. What's Jadav's name, Caleb? T. Mahomes. T. Mahomes. T. Mahomesad's name, killer? Tima Holmes. Tima. Tima.

Tima. Tima. Tima. I was like, Tima Holmes. Yeah. Same thing. Same thing.

Yeah. Yeah. Last, I mean, last year, wasn't he the one saying he smoking on Joe Burrows a year ago or so? Yep. Oh yeah.

He's really, he's really crazy. He's had a couple of tings. Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking now cause I never actually um seen Pat Mahone's dad and he's a

he's a dark skinned nigga yeah cause Pat Mahone's so light sometimes you get confused it's like yo yeah that nigga's a dark-skinned nigga, yo. Listen, I'm going to be honest with you. I'm not going to sit here and say that I didn't think that he would –

I don't think that he would have took it to smoking on a pack of a nigga, but these dads, I'm going to be honest with you, pack of a nigga, but these dads, I'm going to be honest with you, is I'm thinking they're everything that I thought LaVar Ball was going to be. LaVar Ball kind of calmed down, right?

Yeah, he had, I mean, shout out to LaVar Ball. He's made Paul's for it is what it is. Reach out to us, LaVar. We definitely would like you up here at the show. But he didn't get the right production

from Lonzo at first, and then he calmed down. So by the time LaMelo got cooking, I told you LaMelo was the one back in the days, but that's another story. He knew that when Lonzo didn't do, that he couldn't really talk

but so crazy until he started picking it back up. So that's the difference. Yo, Mason, hold on. See, this is where everything go left, which, you know, back in the day, we just got on this show together in March. LaMelo been cooking before last March. What are you talking about? I'm talking about Lonzo.

I said Lonzo. Lonzo wasn't cooking. When Lamar first started, when Lonzo got in the league, he would have been over the top, Pauls, if Lonzo would have kept going crazy. But he didn't. He had to wait till Lomelo came. And by then, he had already simmered down a little bit in his attitude and his approach. I agree with everything he didn't. He had to wait till the mellow came. And by then he had already simmered down a little bit

in his attitude and his approach. I agree with everything you're saying, but you tried to throw sauce on it and be like, remember I told you back in the days, Mace, we started last March, bro. I'm not disagreeing. I agree with everything you said,

but you always try to throw the extra sauce and be like, you remember back in the day we started last March. Why you got to do that? Well, I sent you a message. You must have never made it. He was cooking before last March. The mellow he's been cooking for like since he got in the league. He's been cooking. But that in the league. He's been cooking.

But back to Pat Mahomes, Dan, look. That's where we're in, man. That's the world we're in. It's been going on for a while. And to be totally honest with you, when smoking niggas in a pack got crossed over

is when Gucci Mane and Young Jeezy started battling each other. I don't want to get into that because that was a sensitive situation. But when Jeezy said that, I mean, probably when Gucci Man said that on live, everybody started

using it. Now it done trickled down to the parents, and now they smoking packs on niggas. It's like, it's possible to be smoking a Lamar to the parents and now they smoking packs on. They just smoke it. But it's possible to be smoking a Lamar, a special blend, a special blend of the law, Jack a Lamar Jackson pack and the cigars from Cuba.

That's a special pack right there. And you know what's crazy about that? You got to live your Lamar jackson family friends and affiliates you gotta live with that for months you gotta live with that for months because the thing about it is it ain't like patrick mahomes ain't been cooking for years he's been cooking for for six afc championships straight he's been cooking for six AFC championships straight. He's been cooking for a long time. The problem is he singled out Lamar Jackson, and Lamar Jackson should definitely feel a way,

because he could have said that about a bunch of niggas to Patrick Mahomes beat. In other words, he said, oh, this is your MVP? This is what y'all think should have got it this year? Roll that nigga up, nigga. Roll him up. Smoke this, roll that up roll them up smoke this roll that up man what are you talking about man out of pocket so listen man you gotta realize also these dads that have kids this uh 25 and under uh are probably in their early, mid, or late 40s. So they from an era where shit was wild.

Yeah. And don't get it fucked up. The 35 to 40 to 45-year-old is not the same 35, 40, 45-year-old from the 80s and 90s. Yeah. There's some hip niggas out here. Niggas is loopy. Niggas know what the fuck is going on. Older niggas is a style on top of that. So

when niggas say shit like this, sometimes it's the kids that be like, yo, we gotta chill. You wild. Nah, we wild out. I think right now we wild out. I think right now, personally, and I would love to have him on the show, the number one father as far as promoting their child as an athlete is Bill Haney.

Bill Haney is wild, bro. Yeah, Bill Haney is crazy. Bill Haney is wild. Bill Haney is wild. So if you guys don't know about Bill Haney, it's Devin Haney is wild. Bill Haney is wild. So if you guys don't know about Bill Haney, it's Devin Haney's father. And his promotion right now for his child is unmatched. Devin Haney doesn't even talk because Bill Haney does all the talking.

We would love to have Bill Haney on the show. He doesn't stop, and he has a problem with everybody. He's not just one person. He has a problem with anybody saying anything against Devin Haney. He's very entertaining. They live in Vegas. I think we need to get them on the show immediately. We're going to try and see what we

can do, but Bill Haney doesn't care about anybody. Yeah, Bill Haney will choose violence. His mindset is choose violence or violence will choose you. Yes. Yes. And listen, one thing I will give Bill Haney and for those people that didn't see it, I don't know exactly what happened or what Bernard Hopkins said about Devin Haney. But Bernard Hopkins and Bill Haney ran into each other and Bernard Hopkins tried to bully Bill Haney and Bill Haney wasn't having it to the

point where Bernard Hopkins pushed the nigga like they was on child line in the cell in jail. And I was like, yo, that was crazy. But Bill Haney ate it. He said, what are we doing? I don't give a fuck. That ain't about nothing. Bernard Hopkins doesn't look like a guy you want to run into on the street. I know he's probably about 60, but he looks like he's still got a knife in his back pocket. I would not trust Bernard Hopkins on the street

if he got the altercation to just use his hands. He looks like he will use a weapon as well. But Bill Haney, he wanted to have some problems. So those that don't know Bill Haney, look into what he does and what weapon as well. But Bill Haney, he wanted to have some problems. So those that don't know Bill Haney, look into what he does and what he's about. But I think as far as fathers or parents in general promoting their child, I'm going to give it up to Bill Haney.

But I'm not mad at smoking on the Lamar Jackson pack, and I'm not dissing Lamar Jackson. I'm just saying that's the everywhere, and that's the shit that I'm talking about. You gotta win and when you don't win, don't get mad at how niggas celebrate. I'm going to celebrate how I want to celebrate. So if you're mad at how I celebrate, don't let me win. Exactly. If I want to

bow at the middle of the spill, at the star, that's my business. Yeah. Do something about it. Do something about star. That's my business. Yeah. Do something about it. Yeah. Do something about it. That's just that.

Well said. Okay. So we got to talk about Ben Simmons. He made his return in the Nets versus Jazz game after missing 38 games. The Nets won 147 to 114. So how did you guys feel about his return? I'm not going to say anything about Ben Simmons, you know, since he made it clear that it might be something mental that he's going through.

I'm not going to say anything. I'm going to leave it to Cam. This is Cam Project. Project. Hey, my project, they can play in the NBA. It's whoever working with a project. Yo, listen, man. How much he asked that? Let's do that.

I didn't even watch the game. I watched it. He had 10 points, 11 assists, 8 rebounds. Wow. That's actually good. 10 points, what? 10 points, 11 assists, 8 rebounds. Shout out to Ben.

That's not bad for a return. That's not bad. He almost had a triple-double. He had enough time to sit there and watch the game, see what he needed to do. So at the end of the day, I think I'm not mad at that at all. Can we get it next game? The question is, will he play next game?

Right. You got to think about it. You got to think about it. I think, and I'm not sitting there saying, comparing them to anybody that's contenders on the East Coast. I'm talking about from Boston to Milwaukee to the Sixers to even the Knicks or Cleveland, or Indiana for that matter.

But if he ever got it together 100%, him and Mikel Bridges could be a serious problem. At least the slide-in pause to the fifth or sixth seed. Mikel Bridges is good. They have a decent point guard with Dennis Smith Jr. And he could be that missing piece. Now, will they be contenders in the East? I'm not saying anything close to that. But if he consistently plays and gives the numbers that he gave the stats as

runners, almost had a triple-two assist away from a triple-double, then maybe he can count out because the Nets really need it right now. The Nets need help a lot. What position is he playing in the front court or the back court? He was a point guard at one time. Yeah, that's what I was saying.

Yeah, he's a 6'10 point guard, which means that you can play anywhere between the 1 and the 4 when you're 6'10. Even center at certain times. But what happens is me personally, me personally, look, if I'm going against Ben Simmons,

I'm saying all type of shit when nobody's looking. All type of shit to fuck with your ego, to fuck with your pride, to fuck with your self-esteem. Anything to mentally trigger you to get out the game. And I don't mean that in disrespect,

mental health I'm talking about. You got to think about it. I'm not talking about, I'm not talking, I'm giving an example. Like, because both of these niggas is my niggas and I'm not amping it and I'm not putting a battery in the back because it seems like they both move on. But when Kevin Garnett says some slick shit to Carmelo Anthony, it triggered him to where he was waiting for the nigga outside the locker

room. He waited for the nigga by his bus. Nigga said, oh, nah, nigga's playing with me, man. Nah, I'm waiting for a nigga by the bus. And I'm not saying that what Kevin Garnett said was cool or anything, but I'm just sitting there saying to myself as an athlete, I'm going to try

to get an advantage over you, pause, at any possible moment I can that's not illegal towards the game. I'm going to try and mentally fuck with you if I can mentally fuck with you. So, you know, we hear about these stories all the time, that from the 80s and 90s when niggas were saying all type of shit to niggas on the court you know it was a time when reggie miller scored eight or nine points in eight seconds something crazy yeah walked over to spike lee while he was sitting with his girlfriend and grabbed his dick pause and face if i was likely i wouldn't have just got that was wow that was wow

i wouldn't have just got that was wow that was wow that was never came back to the god yeah after i threw a chair reggie especially with wifey there you valid but don't get it up spike we push that envelope like we want to keep yelling at the screaming the tunnel type of he pushed that agenda but i'm just trying to tell you, and I know it's different from a fan and a player, but sometimes you push players to that moment. Even I remember that particular series, it was the Knicks and Pacers to where

Spike was crazy enough to go to Indiana the next game, and niggas was I remember the newspapers being like, Spike, stay home what's wrong with you you it up you got to think about the players now you mentally with players because you're a super fan to where they like he might be jakeson so when we talk about spike lee not going to the garden this isn't just the last 10 15 years it's been going on for decades so what i'm saying then like i said i told two totally different things but if you can find a mental edge

over your competitor and it takes them out their game you're gonna do it I would do it I'm gonna do it well in regards to Ben Simmons I always give respect where it's due he actually did have a really good comeback game because I mean for the Nets when he

got back on the court he made an immediate impact he did have five assists within the first four minutes he was making a lot of no-look passes like he looked great on the court so I think the Nets definitely need him and he does make a great impact for their team so hopefully he can stay healthy so we can actually get to see him play and see if he can continue to make an impact because it is still early. You know, it was the Jazz. So give credit, but it's just the team that he was going against. But I'm excited to see what happens along the way because

we need him to stop getting hurt. But we'll see what happens. Okay. Moving along. Yeah. You give credit, start with credit. Do and then say, but it was the Jazz. You know what that means. It's all that slick haying.

You slick haying. I'm not slick haying. There's similar status in slick haying on you. It's called slick haying. That's that shit when we was on the phone with jacob earlier you build them up and throw them down i just want it on the record like you know i gave him his flowers but yeah it is the jazz so i'm not gonna get too excited yet i gotta see what happens so but good because, yeah, it did kind of go right back to the start.

OK, so Luka became the fourth player in NBA history to score 73 points in the Mavs versus Hawks game last Friday. How do you feel about Luka reaching that milestone? I go pause, I go first. When it comes to Luka, yeah, the Hawks got to feel crazy, number one, because this is the player they traded, right, for Trae Young. So that's the first L they took. And then the second one is just, man, Luka, they had everybody guarding Luka.

So they had everybody guarding Luka So they had everybody guarding Luca. If Dominique could have came down there and guarded Luca, I think they would have put Dominique. Grand Hill was watching. They was trying to probably get Grand Hill suited up to guard Luca. It was just crazy. And this is a shout out. Now, I know I might get in trouble for this, but I don't care.

Listen, you know how the praise they give Phil Haney killer. They better start putting some respect on Sham God's name. Look at what he's producing. This is Sham God's work, bro. They got to do something better. Mark Cuban, Mark Cuban, call us up. We got to do something better for Sham Guard with everything that he's doing. Come on. This is crazy. The proof is in the pudding. Pause. The man has 70 points, over 70 points. This got a lot to do with player development. That's what I'm that's what I'm equating it to. You got Luca out here playing like he from Harlem. He doing what

he want, talking to niggas crazy and then put his earphones on, killer, and play Disney music. This is the Disney assassin, killer. But what would you say to this? I was going exactly where you just went. Yeah. And I know he's a friend of ours, a childhood friend. And I know he's a friend of ours, a childhood friend.

And it may seem like favoritism because we know him, know him. But we have to give Shamgar a lot of credit. Not only Luka is playing some of the best basketball that we've ever seen, we haven't heard anything off the court from Kyrie Herter. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing bad. No negative comments. That's what I was saying.

No Amazon. No problems. No, oh, he's doing this wrong. We have not heard one peep of negative press from Kyrie Irving off the court. All we talk about is Kyrie Irving on the court. And that's what we want to do. We don't want to talk about bad shit with Kyrie Irving, which I would never do anyway, because I just think a lot of times he's misunderstood, but I'm talking about other analysts. When they say, oh, Kyrie's doing this, we haven't heard shit and y'all have shit to say about Kyrie.

So not only Luka, Kyrie as well well. Sometimes when you're off the court, sometimes when you're off the court, um, not, not answers. When you have downtime, you may, and you don't have the right people around you. You may say, yo, I'm tweeting this on my Instagram is I'm gonna do this. When you may need that nigga. No, don't do that. Don't need a nigga next to you. Nah, nah, nah, nah. That ain't it. That's going need that nigga next to you, no, don't do that. Don't you need a nigga next to you? Nah, nah, nah, that ain't it. That's going to fuck it up later. Don't do that. And I think that Shamgar has these players ears. They understand them.

He's culture, not just Shamgar. He's also culture. What a lot of people don't realize is this, that Shamgar had a couple of years in the NBA, but his celebrity grew actually bigger when he wasn't in the NBA. Yeah. As far as player development, as far as training these kids. Because Shamgar doesn't just train NBA players. He takes his time out in the offseason to still come to Harlem and train kids. He has this camp that travels around in the summertime.

He's very invested in the player development and, and anybody he worked with seems like they do much better. So I was going exactly where you went. I want to give Shamgar a lot of credit. Now it's still up to Luke. I'll put the ball in the basket and he's doing an exceptional job at that. 73 points with over 50% shooting. And Kyrie is averaging 25 And Kyrie is averaging 25.

Kyrie is averaging 25. Right. And not only, the man almost had a 73-point triple-double. Imagine a 73-point triple-double. He was a few stats away from having a 73-point triple-double. So as much as I give Luka the credit for busting these niggas ass and kairi as well i want to give my brother sham guard some love and give him his flowers because this is more than just basketball coaching this is also player development and also having a big brother

there to tell you now i don't think that's going to work in the media. It might come back to bite you in the ass pause later on. That also counts. All right. Okay. Now we're going to discuss Doc Rivers. This is like a three-part question. So he made his head coaching debut for the Bucks against the Nuggets, and they lost 113 to 107.

So first, what do you think about him starting his debut with a loss? This is... I got to go to Milwaukee, so I'm going to let Cam speak first. Friends in the industry. Friends in the industry. Friends in the industry. Who got friends? They won without Doc Rivers when they didn't have a coach for a game or two.

When they fired the coach and Doc Rivers was still in the process of getting there, they won their game without a coach. Doc Rivers. Look, I said it all the other day. You hire Doc Rivers. Let's go through who Doc Rivers had. Doc Rivers had Tracy McGrady. Yeah.

Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, Joy and the Law Brothers when they were on fire. Yeah. You had James Harden. You had Joe Harden. You had Joel Embiid. You had all-star, superstar, all-star, superstar, all-star, superstar your whole career. Kevin, Hall of Famers, too. Ray Allen.

Yep. Kevin Garnett. Rondo. Paul Pierce. Rondo. You cannot get, you got the job done one time. I don't really understand the front office of Milwaukee for doing this. Only thing I could think of is, like I said before,

that Giannis did not like the coach that he was with now. And if you ask my opinion, he's not going to like Doc Rivers either. I think Giannis. Why do you think he's not going to like Doc Rivers? I got to jump back. Yeah. Because it doesn't seem like Doc Rivers is always a player's coach. I think he was a player's coach in the 2000s.

I think he really liked that's coach in the 2000s. I think he really liked that group that he had in Boston. I think that he liked that group that he had in L.A. when he was coaching the Clippers. But Doc is one of them people that be like, yo, I know what I'm doing. Trust me. I don't know this for, yo, I know what I'm doing. Trust me. I don't know this for a fact, but he give me them vibes. Yeah.

Look, I'm telling you, this was going to take for us to win. And my opinion is this. Giannis may be like, you only got one, and I got one, and you've been in the league for 100 years as a player and a coach. You ain't got more championships than me. We got the same amount of championships. What more do you know? It's kind of like when Aaron Rodgers was in Green Bay and LeFleur was the coach

and Aaron Rodgers didn't really respect him because he like, bro, me and you the same age and I got more Super Bowls than you. He only had one, but I'm just saying, he like bro you you me and you the same age and i got more super bowls than you he only had one but i'm just saying he like yo i know what i'm doing and he wasn't respecting the coach that's kind of like why he got out of there i'm not saying that's the 100 reason why aaron rogers left but at the same time he wasn't respecting the floor because he felt he had more knowledge of football than the floor and i'm not not saying that the Greek freak has more knowledge than Doc Rivers, but if we're talking about the ultimate goal of winning the championship, they even.

And I'm talking about as a player, Doc Rivers, and as a coach, Doc Rivers. So I would be like, yo, I'm going to give him some time to go. I'm not going to sit here and say he don't like him. How many games you giving him? We gave Tyrone. Ty Luce said he only needed, what, eight games? Ten games? What did he say?

Yeah. Yo, Murda, I'm telling you like this. Look, and I'm going to answer your question in one minute. I just want to finish this point. If me and you playing, Coach Ford, our first coach, gets fired, then we play two games and we win by eight, nine, ten points, two games, then Coach Rich, which would be Doc Rivers, come in and we lose the first game.

We ain't going to look at each other on the way to the locker room like, I don't know. he's better off without this until he showed different he's winning before he's in the back row of the bus like this yo he's winning yeah yeah like us is ignorant you can'm just saying, you know, you look like I don't know. I think that's a good point. You just brought up Mase. That's a great point that asking me, but I think that should be the standard because Tylo said a standard.

Well, he said, give me 10 games, give him 10 games. But we're giving Doc 10 games. We give him 10. But. Doc, you need less games. Doc, give him 10, but that's your name. Less games. That's your name. Less games in Talu. Who's better to you, Talu or Doc?

To be honest with you, I would say Talu, even though I know his championship came with LeBron James and and Doc. Came with three Hall of Famers. But I'm going to go with Ty Lue because my personal opinion is that players could relate to Ty Lue better. I went to, shout out to my man, Rich Paul. I went to Rich Paul's birthday party. And when I got in there. This is why you're saying this, Cam. Cam, this is why you're saying this. this is why you're saying this I knew there was something

go ahead Cam tell me what I'm going to say first I'm not even going to cut you go ahead you already cut me off LeBron, Tylo this is why they can't trust

you Cam this is exactly why. Go ahead and tell us something. Go ahead and tell us I'm biased. Go ahead. Tell us I'm biased. I'm biased. I'm biased.

You're still in that too, Stat. I'm out of this. That's y'all's argument. That's between y'all. Go ahead, Cam. Go ahead. Ohio. Go ahead, Gap. Go ahead. Ohio. Go ahead.

This wasn't an Ohio thing. I'm just giving you an example. Okay, go ahead. You got to realize when I said play a coach, this is what I'm talking about. You got to think about this, right? Yeah. said play a coach this is what i'm talking about you got to think about this right yeah when i'm saying play a coach a play a player's coach meaning that the coach could relate to the players

more same way we just gave sham his props yeah when i go to this party everybody's in there but when i get in there lebron's chilling with with Ty Lue. They're hanging out. They're having fun. They're talking and shit. They don't even, you know, Ty Lue coached the Clippers. LeBron played for the Lakers. But that's his man. You got to realize Ty Lue is not that old. Ty Lue played against LeBron James.

Ty Lue is, we got to remember, Ty Lue got stepped over by Iverson. He's not that old. So he's more closer to these players' ages than the average, you know, Popovich or Doc Rivers or anybody else. And sometimes it takes that. I played for Gauchos. I played for Riverside. And no matter what, the most fun I had, don't get me wrong,

I had a lot of great times with Gauchos and Riverside, but my favorite coach was Shee Bison, Thurman player, because they gassed you up. They was close to our age. They put the battery in your back. Yeah, let's go, Mr. Cameron, let's go. That battery in your back put you on 100. That was Shee saying that.

Let's go, Mr. Cameron. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's she saying that. Let's go Mr. Cameron. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to tell you. I can tell you, you're going to get a scholarship today. You're going to get a scholarship today. He's like, yeah, I'm about to go crazy. I'm about to go crazy. And listen, as a player

and you see somebody guarding you, talking about basketball, you see somebody guarding and you're coaching me like, oh see somebody guarding you, and your coach will be like, oh, ice cream, move out the way, he got one. You know what kind of battery that is in your back? You're going to pull out all type of moves because your coach believes in you that much to where you're saying, oh, nobody can fuck with me on this court. It's like Mark Jackson made a statement up here when he was up here

a couple weeks ago. And he said that Rick Pitino told him that you're the best point guard in the league his freshman year. And he said, I don't know if he was telling the truth or not, but it was music to my ears. Am I better than

Magic Johnson? Am I better than Kevin Johnson? Once he told me that I believed it now what was did he really believe it I don't know but once he told me that I believed it and when I'm going back to it I know I'm being long-winded on the answer because make sure I act like it was favoritism I was just saying that some coaches are younger and can relate to what these players are going through as opposed to some coaches being older and stubborn in their ways. And I think that Doc is one of them coaches that think he has it figured out and he may not relate to what Giannis may want to do

or anything else like that on the court. I could be 100% wrong. I don't know this yet. He may have switched up. I think that greg popovich figured that out greg popovich is in the 70s but i think later on he figured out damn i gotta be more of a player coach where he started putting the battery and kawaii leonards back and then he says okay i got this young wouldn't be like these kids uh gen z that's that that's where we asked that where we

at yeah with jenny instead gen z yeah what's that the z i forgot are we gonna be back on gen a because we're past gen z right now but but but you know i i think that i think i'm not sure doc figured that out i think sure Doc figured that out. I think that Pop figured that out because you're dealing with different personalities. And when I say different personalities, you have to realize that a lot of kids today are not the kids that you coached in the 90s or 2000s. All these homes, I'm not going to say all of them because they're different. We're seeing it on the sidelines. These kids grew up with parents. And I say parents, I'm talking about two, a father and a mother in the house. A lot of people didn't have that growing up when we

had broken families coming up. And this was their way out. A lot of times now, not saying you don't want NBA money because the money's astronomical, but you don't necessarily need it as bad as when you were getting drafted in the 80s, 90s, and maybe even the early 2000s. NIL and a whole bunch of other money you can make. We're sitting here talking about Marvin Harrison Jr. not having to go to the NFL because he could stay at Ohio State because they're going to find money for him to stay. Or not even if they didn't find money for him to stay. He has a father that made great money in the NFL, so there's no rush to go and get the money. So we're early in, like I said, the 90s, 80s, and maybe even early 2000s. You're like, I got to get this money to get my family out the hood.

That's not everybody's mindset today. Or your brother could make it and bring you to the hood. That's not everybody's mindset today. Or your brother could make it and bring you to the NBA. You don't even need parents now. Your brother could bring you. Right. Yeah. Actually honest.

Well, to answer your question because I was curious. We're in Generation Alpha now. I didn't even know that. And like I said, the Doc Rivers question is two, three parts. So we're going to go to break and then when we return,

we will discuss further about Doc Rivers. Generation Alpha? Yeah. 2010. She call this thing about toxic Four years and counting Got you feeling like an option Maybe I'm my own problem, babe. She tired of hearing I don't know. What's happening to me won't fall.

Dealing with this thing called trust. But she really thinking about wanting me free. Why am I in this one way? Welcome back. Why my head is falling way free Welcome back. Now let's get into our Underdog Fantasy Picks of the Day. Tonight, the Raptors will play the Bulls. Underdog Fantasy has Scottie Barnes at 23.5 points. Do you have him higher or lower, Mace?

That's interesting because I have him right there. I have him right there at that number. So it could go either way. But I'm going to go lower. Okay. I see him at like 2220. Okay, Cam. I agree with Mace, lower.

Okay, DeMar DeRozan is at five and a half assists. Do you have him higher or lower? Cam. I'm going to go lower. Yeah, lower. Okay, and Alex Caruso is at three first quarter points. Do you have him higher or lower? Mace?

Hmm. Higher. Okay, Cam? Higher. Okay. Download the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too. Okay, Told you guys we would continue the doc rivers discussion. So in response to taking over the bucks mid season, he said, I wouldn't wish this on anyone. So one, what was your reaction when you heard him say that?

And then two, if doc rivers doesn't perform well with the bucks, can you see him ever getting a head coaching job again? Go ahead, Killa. I think when it comes to Doc Rivers initially getting his job, they hired him for a championship. They did not hire him to do well in the playoffs. And I think that's something he has to really own and not try to dance around it. Sometimes older men, just like you see with OJ, people get out there and try to make light of their positions so they can kind of not build too much of a great expectation.

But when it comes to a team that got Giannis and they got Damon Lillard, the writing is already on the wall. You got to win the state. It definitely has to win the state. And if you're not able to win with that particular team and those three great superstars is kind of like, well, who could you win with? You got Damon Lillard, who is explosive, who always shows up in the clutch. You got Giannis, who already won the championship.

And what's the guy that played the three, the shooter, the shooter on that team? Chris Middleton. Chris Middleton. Chris Middleton. Chris Middleton. I would be able to win if I coached that team. No, real talk, real talk. Because sometimes the coaches have the wrong offense for the team that they're playing. And you got to get Damian Lillard to commit to playing defense.

And I think that's why they brought Doc Rivers there, to convince them that you are defense away from a championship. It's not your offense. It's going to be your defense. You're not going to be able to outscore every person, every time you're going to have to commit the defense that we're going to win a championship. And that's the thing I would be instilling. So if he doesn't get the job done, I don't see why. Why give him another coaching job? Try Mark Jackson. Try some other people

and give some other people another shot. I think he had enough shots to show that he can win after Boston. And I'm not saying don't give him a job. I'm not saying don't give him a job I'm not saying don't give him a job but try somebody else first give Mark Jackson pause a job before that I can think of a few

people I'm saying don't give him a job I'm saying don't give him a job after this it's two things about this right it's two things about this, right? It's two things about this situation with Doc Rivers.

Because even, let's say they do win the championship, you walked into a championship. This was a layup. Like, yo, you walked into a team that already won a championship. Now, I will say to me, Drew Holiday plays better defense than Damian Lillard. So if you're only bringing Doc Rivers in there to convince Damian Lillard to play better defense, then anybody could have did that. Damian Lillard, so we got 100 niggas telling Damian Lillard he needs to play better defense.

Doc Rivers for $40 million is going to be the one to do it. They got $40 million. So at the same time, it's like if he wins, they're like, oh, Doc did it. Doc did it. Nah, they did it already with Drew Holiday.

There's no reason the same exact team should not be able to win a championship, pardon me, solely because Damian Lillard is not playing defense. You got to have a team meeting about that. You ain't got to bring Doc Rivers in for $40 million to have that, you know, to fix that situation.

You know, I know we brought Ty Lue up before, but see, it's a whole different scenario with, and I know we're talking about players against coaches when they're bringing James Harden in as opposed to bringing Doc Rivers in, but you have to realize this. James Harden and the Clippers were ninth place, tenth place at the time.

So Ty Lue, and also, like we said, we'd like to give Russell Westbrook a lot of credit as well for saying he's going to come off the bench. But, you know, you got a team that went from maybe tenth place to fourth place. They was already in second place. Like you didn't come in to an organization that was in 11th place 12th place we got to get them back they was already in second place in the east it isn't you know like i said we we make jokes and we don't know exactly what happened between yannis and

the head coach or he wasn't feeling more the front office or anything else like that. But at the end of the day, nigga, you walked into a lab. Get the job done. I think it's outrageous. $40 million for a team that's already right there, ready to win a championship. I'm not mad for Doc breaking the bank. I'm going to call it breaking the bank because you just was announcing game. I just seen the nigga Doc last week at the Lakers game,

announcing the Lakers game. So let's take this into perspective. Doc Rivers was working at ESPN for shorties. And when I say shorties, I don't know exactly how much money he was making. I'm not pocket watching. I'm just motherfucking going on. That's pocket watching. That's pocket watching.

No, I'm just not pocket pocket watching because that's pocket watching i know i'm just not parking pocket watching because i'm telling you for i'm giving an example why i'm not pocket watching if espn lays off everybody jeff van gundy our good friend and i'm happy they let him go because now we're working with him our n Mark Jackson, Max Kellerman, Jaylen Rose, the list goes on and on and on because of budget cuts. And Doc Rivers takes a job. How much they pay in a murder? Are they paying them in and doughnuts? Free coffee, coffee.

I was going to say coffee, coffee and croissants. They're paying them in coffee and croissant.. The panama coffee and croissant. He might be working for per diem. Is he like, you know, nigger just enough to get there? Because ESPN just said they've done budget cuts and they can't afford to pay everybody. So when you get dark rivers up there to do a job that you can't afford to pay anybody else to do,

that means you're taking the absolute least amount of money that you could take. They might have got Doc Rivers and his son on a package deal for two for one. Both was working up there. Two for one. That was crazy. And Doc Rivers for a father and son load package. Buy one pair, get one pair free. That's what I'm saying.

If you got all these budget cuts and shit, when are you paying these niggas? That's what I say every time I see a new analyst. Oh, they got y'all for cheap because they let all the high-paid employees go. So how much did they pay y'all niggas? 40s, nigga. So at the end of the day, look, you go from

making... How you know they didn't fire them, Kim, to pay Doc more? How do you know that? Why would you get rid of Jeff Van Gundy and Mark Jackson to give Doc Rivers the job? Them niggas was popping, nigga. Them niggas was lit. Them two niggas was lit.

Them two niggas was lit. That's what you saying? Yo, you know what? I want to let go of Mark Jackson, Jeff Van Gundy. Doc Rivers is the solution. Nah. Nah, bro. Them two niggas was lit, nigga. Yeah, that's true. Like I said, them niggas do the championship. Mama, there goes that man.

Jeff Van Gundy be saying all type of shit. Jeff Van Gundy make rules up as the game go along y'all i don't think they i think they should stop calling three seconds and let niggas chill in there he be making a wild as the game go along that was very very entertaining to watch to nant to take i know what we'll do. We'll get Doc Rivers and we'll throw a son on NBA TV and we'll get a package deal at 1999. That's one of them. If you order now before time runs out, we'll give it to you for three payments of 1999. And guess what?

No shipping. No shipping. No shipping. You don't have to pay for shipping. And you call right now. I'm throwing in another reverse for you. This is crazy that's what i'm saying no shade that's all it's just all shade. All shade.

And far was. I'm a people. I'm a people. You can say you're saying, but it's really not because this is what's really going on. See, that's the ever we hear. We just talked about this every day. We say we say the truth.

And now we're exaggerating with the 1999, but that may not be far-fetched. We don't know. I'm just saying in general, we're saying in general, look, finish my statement. ESPN threw everybody making

over a million dollars and said, bye, we're doing budget cuts. You bring Doc Rivers in, his son can't get a job. You bring him in all of a sudden. We don't even know if his son's a good analyst, but, you know, I don't think he's bad, but at the end of the day, he got a lot of hate because he's not in the NBA, so he be hating on mad niggas.

Austin Rivers hates on mad niggas, yo. Oh, this nigga's not doing this, or he's not doing that, he's not doing it. Because you're not playing. I dig it. I dig it. I know you still think's not doing this. He's not doing that. He's not doing it. Because you're not playing. I dig it. I dig it. I know you still think you should be playing. He's mad young. It ain't like he's 36. He should still be in the league, but they don't want him.

And now what you got to realize, some niggas might be like, I don't think he might have even really been all that. It really just been Doc's son, to be honest with you. So, at the end of the day, trust me, if Doc was having a good time being an analyst, he wouldn't have jumped up at the first opportunity he could get to take that job, period. I don't think it's shade.

I think it's the truth. I think we was throwing the little shots about the price, but it's all realistic. With ESPN, let's everybody go. They cost over a million dollars or two million dollars to bring in doc rivers the first opportunity doc rivers gets he's like yeah i'll take it back right and it's a layer right i'm not even going against what y'all said because almost everything that you guys have said over our previous episodes have ended up being true even if it was just speculation so yeah we're better than bar simpson yeah they said bar be right right yeah the simpsons do be calling they do hey yo real quick before we move on because i know we we were coming towards the end and I don't want to forget this. You're amazed. Did you see? Jimmy Butler,

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on the injury report for knee soreness 15 minutes before the Sixers versus Nuggets game. So it's been revealed he has not played on the road in Denver since November 8th, 2019. Does this seem fishy to you? Yeah, I think the nigga's scared. I'm not gonna lie. Even though he had a great game

and and um and what was that really in philly yeah it's not the same on the road and that's where you become a champion you become a champion on the road for all of you kids out there pay attention to how you play on the road because how you play on the road says a lot about your toughness and your durability. That's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking he was scared. I'm not going to lie. Or maybe it was just the altitude. I'm going to give him a way out.

Generation Z, you know? Generation Z. I'm going to be honest with you. I think I had my brother back near Tito as well. I'm not sure. I can't see him. Yeah, that's true. Y'all swear to God, me and Tito was talking about this

after they played, Philly played Denver about a week ago, maybe a week and a half ago. And Tito brought this to my attention. I swear to God. I didn't know this stat before stat just said it. No, you know, double entendre real quick. But Tito said to me, he said, Joel Embiid had a great game. Let's see if he plays in Denver. He didn't play last year in Denver.

Let's see if he tries this again. And I didn't pay attention to it. I listened to Tito and what he said. And I'm like, he ain't hurt. No, you know know and then he's only a couple games from missing out on mvp because if you miss certain amount of games you're not eligible for any awards at the end of the year so i'm like in my brain i heard what tito told me but i'm like nah better play then he don't play i'm like tito caught this shit about the right after the game was over the game just ended philly beat denver and he's like let's see if this nigga play when

they go to denver and he didn't play yo what the fuck yo my nigga you so what you're saying is this what you gotta realize is this east east teams and west teams only play against each other twice a year. It isn't like Golden State play the Lakers three, four times a year or Milwaukee play the Sixers four or five times a year because they're both on the East Coast or both on the West Coast. When you're an East Coast team and a West Coast team, when y'all play each other, you get two games a year, the game that you travel to their city and when they come to your city. So Joe LMB is going to rob us of seeing him play against the Joker twice.

The last three years, both of these guys got MVP. The Joker twice. Joel Embiid once. And you're going to use your one game that you played good to say, okay, I bust ass. Now when it's time to go to Denver, you don't play. You're not hurt. You didn't want to play the game.

He know Joker was looking for get back. Pause. He know Joker was looking for get back. That's exactly why he didn't play. Exactly. And that's exactly what I'm talking about. My nigga, you bust his ass, you know, Joker still got his. Y'all won.

You have more points. Cool. You go to his crib 15 minutes before the game starts. Your toenail hurts. This is what I'm talking about with this nigga. He's good. He's all right. But then when it comes down to, yeah, let's go, I don't get it.

I don't get it from him. You know what I'm saying? And he won MVP last year, and I think it was well-deserved. It could have went to Joker, but Joker sat out the last eight games. But listen, bro, you can't. This is the greatness that Mace just was talking about. You got to go on the road and win. And not only that, you're

disrespecting us as fans to see a rematch. When you see a great game against two big men because it's been supposedly a guard-orientated league the last however many years, and then you finally get two big men, Paul, that's really good, who's been MVPs the last few years, and you don't show up.

You're disrespecting us as fans. You can sit there and say, oh, I'm not playing. This hurts, that hurts. Stop lying, nigga. You scared of that sometime b and i would be scared too if i was you but don't put up your motherfucking numbers and get low and get missing that's some sucker that's some real sucker and now that stat boarded to my attention it wasn't just last year that tito brought up to me this has been going on since 2019 so for five years you've been ducking

this at home five years that's a half a decade you know the difference between a 10 year old and a 15 year old all type of 10 year olds still might not be able to go outside by itself 15 might be smoking and being the and all type. 15 to 20 years old is a big difference. You becoming the daughter 18. You know, you start driving the car. Yeah, exactly. So don't act like five years. I was only been five years.

Five years is a big, big deal. It's a long time. And you rob niggas for five years straight. Sucker shit, bro. Sucker shit. Yeah. Generation Z always being so annoying, but I will add, yeah,

he can only miss five more games to remain eligible for MVP. And then now it's reported not official, but the NBA could be looking into all these missed games. So do you guys have any comments on that before we wrap? Nigga hiding, bro. This is what it is. The thing about it is this. Unless you got beef out there.

Does he got beef out there with gang members or something? Nigga just keep not showing up. I'm trying to look deeper into the situation. Maybe he's going to get subpoenaed or something. He can't go to Denver. That's what I'm thinking.

He knows something we don't know. Like you just said, the NBA is going to look into it. But the thing about pain is you can't tell somebody if they're really in pain or not. That's going to be an argument or investigation forever. What you would have

to do is, and I don't know how you do it in the NBA, it goes like this. Pardon me. You fall in the supermarket and you hurt your back and you're suing the supermarket or whatever for not putting the sign down that the floor was wet or slippery or whatever the case may be. So now you're walking around. I've seen this go on in Harlem for years. Fake lawsuits, all type of shit. You're walking around with a cane. Your back hurts.

They got people watching you yeah my man tried to do this shit try to sue somebody because he slipped and fell and then he went to great adventures six flags for everybody else he on roller coasters they had they gave him the pictures what you doing on this roller coaster nigga fuck is you you can walk down Lennox, but you want a roller coaster jumping up and down. Yeah, you're bugging. So I don't know how deep the NBA can get into that. But I don't think it's stupid. They got a lawsuit to go to six. They'd be bugging out.

Yeah, but I would share. You just let the canine go off the leash and they in the wheelchair they could get up yeah exactly they start running this i don't know how deep the investigation can go with the nba but i'm guaranteeing you if it was something similar to that, a lot of these niggas would be in trouble because you can't tell somebody that they're not hurt. That's like sitting there saying, yo, you're not hurt. How you going to tell me if I'm not hurt or not?

Oh, well, the x-ray says you. All right, but I don't care what the x-ray says. My toe hurt. And a lot of times I've seen Kevin Garnett talk about this. Last thing I'll say about this. I've seen Kevin Garnett talk about this because he gets upset with us that don't play. And he says it becomes mental once a doctor tells you, oh, you're not fit enough to play or you can't play or I think you should sit down. Kevin Garnett said, man, I told them doctors, fuck you, nigga.

I'm just fine. I'm getting out there. I don't give a fuck what you say. You mean I got a fractured toe. Nigga, it don't hurt that bad that I can't play. And that's when they get in your head as well. And I thought that was a great point from Kevin Garnett because we never played on that level.

But I like hearing stories like that to where maybe these doctors getting some of these players' heads to where now it's mentally fucking with them. Well, the doctor said, I know I feel great, but the doctor said I shouldn't play. KG is not one of them players either that had a

six, seven year career. He played 18, 19 years. So, I like listening to the story. He's very durable, played a long time, and his insight means a lot. But he said to the doctors, niggas said, to where you feeling great, and then they tell you, oh, you got

the flu. Oh, where did I got the flu? I ain't know I got the flu. Bet, I'm not playing. That's probably what happened with Ben Simmons all that time. His doctor told him. Well, in the comments, let us know if you guys think Embiid is dodging Denver on purpose. But that is all the time we have for today. Thanks for watching. And as always, it is what it is.

Like when they doing them two for five.