IT IS WHAT IT IS - MARK JACKSON & SKIP TO MY LOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THE SEBASTIAN TELFAIR INTERVIEW!! | S3 EP.6

Episode Date: January 11, 2024

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Which is good stat. Are you? None. Mace ain't here. This is a miss mace, but this is the first day he'll get docked. I'm kind of excited about keeping everything for a day. He isn't here

so I guess I keep all the money for today since he didn't show up. It's kind of exciting. I'm pretty sure after he sees me say that that he will be here early from now on. But we're not all jokes aside. We're waiting on you Mace to see if

you get here. You know, today's a big day. Big morning for us. As I let you introduce Mason, to see if you get here. You know, today's a big day, a big morning for us. As I let you introduce who's our first guest today. Yes. So our first guest today, we are joined with Mark Jackson. Action Jackson. Mark, what's up, baby? Everything good, man.

Everything good. Good to be back. Good, man. I'm happy you're back. How's the holidays and the New Year treating you so far, man? No complaints. Just getting ready, man. Watching y'all and keeping my ear close to the streets. As you should, as you should, man. We got some things to get to, but right before we was about to start, Mark said he was a little disappointed with me and Mace about not stepping in on some things

that Sebastian Telfred has said. And Mark obviously said he has his ear to the streets. Listen, Sebastian woke up a lot of people who were just sitting around quiet. We also have Rafe Austin and Skip the Malou on this same show today. And before we get to anything else, Mark, why were you disappointed with me and Mace about Sebastian's interview?

Nothing about Sebastian. Why were you mad at us? Go ahead. Well, I was upset because y'all not two country dudes hosting the show. Y'all two dudes from New York City.

Two ballers from New York City, well aware of the history behind the questions that you asked. So I thought there should have been a little bit more pushback with his comments. It was very entertaining and there's no question about his

greatness coming up in New York City and how he impacted the game. I got no problem with that at all. But when you talk about the top players that ever come out of New York City, the top point guards, you got to show respect. That's like me coming on and talking about Tiny Archer Ball.

And he said Earl the Pearl. Earl the Pearl is not from New York City. Pearl Washington is from New York City. So when you talk about the greats, show respect, and you can big up yourself all you want. But I thought that there's some great players that came out of New York City that should have gotten a little bit more love. So there should have been some more pushback. And you know what, Mark? You're absolutely right. A hundred percent right.

We wanted, and before we get into anything else, because we wanted him to share his story because he felt he was left out on a lot of different things and not just his story. It's more about what he's been through off the court. And he felt that he was treated unfairly because of his situations off the court. So you're absolutely right, Mark, that it should have been a lot of pushback, not just a little bit more, a lot of pushback. But he doesn't have a platform out there where he could tell his story. What we did tell him is we wanted him to come back because we did want to give more pushback. Let me ask you this. There's a couple of things about

that interview I want to ask you before we get into some NBA basketball. He said that he was better than you. Hold on. He said he cooked me when he was in high school. Yeah. What are we doing? What are we doing? And this isn't about me. I'm here to speak up for hundreds of dudes not named Mark Jackson that have a

case to be made and deserve to be shown some respect. I played against him as a young kid coming into the gym. He had to wait on – you know how the young kids, you got to wait till your turn. You're not playing right away. He was a top-notch player as a 16-year-old or whatever, and he came into the gym and he got into the run. There was nothing – like he was – you could tell he had a future and you could tell he was special at 16 years old. But at 16

I wasn't playing. And I'm not comparing myself, but you're not cooking no legit NBA dude. Here's my question to you. One question. When you guys were asking about top five players or top ten point guard, are we

talking about high school players or are we talking about body of work players? See, that was the thing that was with Sebastian is that he tried to put it into three different things. It was high school. It was professional. And his biggest thing more than any of that was culture. And what he kept saying was that he was a great basketball

player and he's not denying in his brain that he's top five or top one or whatever he is basketball wise, but he said he's undisputably the best basketball player that moved the culture forward from New York City. That was his

argument more than anything else that when he played in Lincoln, it was police down the street and up and down the street to make sure nobody gets hurt, that the gym was filled up around the corner when he played. This was his argument more than even basketball. Now, he had an argument with basketball, but it was more about nobody done more for the high school culture coming out of New York City. I'm not here to argue for that.

You know, what I will say is he was a heck of a basketball player. He had a heck of a career that was obviously cut short due to some, you know, unfortunate situations. And, you know, he put himself in. But I got nothing but respect for him and love for him. I'm just here to defend the guys that were before me, after me, during the time. I mean, we had four-point guards in my class alone,

and Kenny Hutchinson, Kenny Smith, and Pearl Washington. Yeah, Kenny Hutch, man. Absolutely incredible. We don't even mention those guys. Kenny Hutchinson won a city championship, PSL championship, as a freshman. I was on the freshman team. He was on the varsity team winning the championship. Let's show some respect to the OGs.

That's all I'm here to defend. No, and you're absolutely right, 100%. And see, the thing about it, Mark, is this. And he was going on and on, and Baskin's going on and on. And my argument is this, and I'm not as old as you, but I started watching basketball in 1984 when I was seven, eight years old. And maybe not got into high school and college basketball to maybe 88, 89, you know, when Derek Coleman and Sherman Douglas and those boys up at Syracuse was my team and so on and so forth. Douglas and those boys up at Syracuse was my team and so on and so forth. And it happens,

and what happens with younger people, they want to argue with you about what you've seen. And when it comes to that, you've seen what they've seen and more than what they've seen. So when you want to make a comparison, it isn't like, oh, you hating on the young players. No, I've seen what you've done and I've seen stuff with people who've done before you. So how you mad at me for making a comparison when you only seen what you seen, and I seen what you seen, and more than what you seen.

So before we move on, and I'm going to stay on this topic for a minute, because he told me, he told us to ask you, ask Mark, did I cook him in Hunter College? So the answer is no, he did I cook him in Hunter College so the answer is no he did not cook you come on man come on he's a 16 year old

kid playing against I humbly submit the starting point guard for the New York Knicks what are we doing he said Bassey in other words cut the shit nigga I'm gonna translate what Mark said. And so you are, yo, cut the shit, nigga.

Cut it out, man. Stop coming up here capping too now. Now I feel bad because Mark is saying that we didn't do our job as journalists and we came up here and let you run your mouth a little bit too much. This is what Mark is trying to say humbly and nicely to me and Mace. And in other words, it's telling you, cut the shit you didn't. So in other words, you capping, you went to play against Hunter at Hunter High School. You waited on the side for your turn to play.

And when you came in, you just got run. Don't act like you cut Mark Jackson's ass. And, you know, I'll wait till Skip comes on. And you know what Skip said. He played against, not saying he played against, he said less like he played against Adrian Autry or somebody and did a good move on him. Now he bust his ass.

That's the people problem. You may run past somebody or you'll cross over somebody and now that's elevated to the next level. I'm not saying that's what he said. He outright said, ask you. He said, ask Mark. So I asked him Baz and he said, get the fuck out of here in a nice way. That's what Mark just said.

I love the way you remixed that. I love the way you remixed that. But let me just touch. Watch the respect when Skip comes on. Now, if you ask Skip, would he bust anybody behind it and came out of New York City? To the call of him, he believes yes. But watch the respect that he gives me and I give him. Watch the respect I'm giving Bassey.

Even though he said that, there's no question about his greatness as a high school player and propelled to the pros and being drafted and having a 10-year career. I'm not here to hate on him. I'm here to defend the guys that he disrespected with his tone and his tenor as far as answering the questions about their abilities. This is not about that person against Bassett. Just show love and keep it moving.

He moved the needle and the interview was absolutely incredible. It was very entertaining. Thank you. What I will say is this, that usually Rafer and I played, me and Rafer played on the same team, and Steph Marbury, we all played against each other and with each other. And when

Skip said to me... Were they better than you? Who, Skip? Skip and Steph, were they better than you? They ended up being better than me. This dude, you're a New Yorker. Yeah, they ended up being better than me. I got the MVP mark. Skip was in it. Skip was in it.

Skip was in it. Skip was in it. And Skip, my man, at LaGuardia House, and he'll come on. We can verify it. He was talking to the people, the commissions on that. How you going to give Cam the MVP? If you got to argue with the people about why you didn't. Skip is going to come on.

He'll tell you. Wait till I talk to Skip. Listen, y'all might be on at the same time. Listen, you know, let me tell you real quick. So me and Steph, and I don't know if I said this story on this show, and

you know, I like to tease the guys and stuff. So I was talking to Steph one time on Twitter. We was going back and forth about basketball on Twitter. And I said, Steph, man, I used to give you the business. I used to bust your ass in high school. And Steph replied to me and he say, exactly, Cam, you're still a high school basketball player. I said, you won.

I had no reply for that because my career ended in Juco. So I had no reply for that because my career ended in Juco. So I had no reply for that. So, but yeah, I mean, when we play, look, I sent stuff home his freshman year. I'm a year older than stuff. When we played in the PSAL finals to go to the guards, I sent stuff home. That was me, man.

Had a son against Lincoln. Pack it on up. Pack it on up. Skip, skip, skip. He went to Cardoza. Pack it on up. Look, they're going to be on up. Skip, skip, skip. He went to Cardoza. Pack it on up. Look, they're going to be on here. See, the reason they win is because they went to the next level and I didn't.

So I can never say that I'm better than those guys. Age 14 through 18, we can argue about it. We can definitely argue about it. And I'm here to argue about it with them, but my career ended at 18 years old. See, that makes sense because I will tell you, 16-year-old Mark Jackson against 16-year-old Sebastian Telfair, he's a better basketball player. There's no question about it.

I wasn't able to do the things. I played on the freshman team and then started as a sophomore, but I wasn't the man then. So he was better than me in high school, no question about it. But there's some guys like Kenny Anderson, Lance Stevenson, there's some guys that have a legit argument for what they were able to do for a four-year period. See, that's a different argument though, Mark. See, because I have this argument all the time with different people. Me, Skip, and Steph was 16 at the same time. You and him wasn't 16 at the same time. And what happens year after year is the game elevates and you see people that make you want to do different things. It was nobody in 1988, 89. It was nobody in the year 2001, 2003, 2004 who could dribble like Kyrie Irving. 2003-2004, who could dribble like Kyrie Irving? And Kyrie Irving has to see people like Mark Jackson or Allen Iverson or the point guards before him to want to do things that he does now

and push the needle forward. You know, I sit there and argue with friends of mine. They'll say, man, them niggas in 1959, I would have ripped Bob Cousy. And I'm like, people had to see a Bob Cousy or Jerry West to elevate the game. So you can't compare a 60-year-old Mark Jackson to a 16-year-old Bassey because you help elevate the game to where they want to try

different things. So I wouldn't make that comparison. You wasn't, and y'all came from two different eras. Me, Steph, and Rafer are at 16, 17 at the same time. So I wouldn't even let you do

that because the game gets elevated all the time and you were part of pushing the needle forward so that he could do what he does now. Congrats to Bassey and all that he's done and continue to do. None but love, man. We not finished, though. We not finished. Do you think he's the best player

out of Coney Island? For a four-year period or for a body of work? For a body of work is only one answer. We're going on a four-year period because obviously he didn't have the NBA career that any of you guys had, whether it's Steph Marbury, Kenny Anderson, you, of course, Sonny Archibald, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. I think as far as NBA, even Lance Stevenson had a better career than him to me in the NBA.

But he's saying out of New York high school basketball, he's the best out of Coney Island. Skip DeMarleau said that it's an argument that he's not even better than Norm Marbury, and he's not even the second best. So I was asking you your opinion on this situation about the best out of Coney Island. I'm not going to go as far as knowing Marbury. But what I will say is Stephon Marbury is the greatest basketball player to come out of

Coney Island. Okay, got you. Now, before we get to some NBA, who are your top five New York City basketball players coming out of high school? Man, that's awfully tough. In no particular order either.

Well, you're going to say Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Right. Who I'll send him. Yeah. To the power memorial. Yeah. You know,

it's, he's not just New York's finest. He may be the entire world's finest in the discussion with LeBron or people like that coming out of high school. He was absolutely incredible. Kenny Anderson is another guy that put in work and that, uh, like that coming out of high school he was absolutely incredible um kenny anderson is another guy that put in work and that uh put on a clinic from the point guard position at archbishop maloy sebastian telford i got to give him credit you i believe he won three championships uh

starting as a point guard lance stevenson won four i mean, these guys are in the discussion because they won. I tell you what, when I watched Chris Mullen play at Savarian High School in Brooklyn, New York, I was a sophomore starting on the team, and it was like we might as well have been the freshman team playing against them because they were running circles around us because of his brilliance and his impact on the game. So it's so many great players. Lloyd Daniels. Right.

I understand what Sebastian Telfair talked about, trials and tribulations, and he still made it to the league. Lloyd Daniels was half dead, shot up, and made it to the league. Wow. He was a 6'7", legit, 6'7", legit, you know, basically a guy that could play the point guard, could shoot, could pass, could do it all. So we've had our share of great players in New York City basketball history.

Yeah, and we got to stop leaving out Kenny Smith out this conversation as well, man. Kenny Smith, he had a great career overall, too. I don't know about how good he was coming out of high school because I didn't get to see Kenny Smith's high school career. But just in general, Kenny Smith is very underrated as a basketball player, period. We don't bring him up enough

coming out of high school. And there's other names people forget about because they wasn't as flashy or may not have gone as far. We have to give Ed Cota some props. What up to Ed Cota?

Shandu McNeil, Sherwin Anderson. It's a lot of point guards and players that came out of New York that were really, really good to help people get to the NBA, like Stephon Marbury, because they pushed them as far as they could push them when they was playing in New York City and skipped them, I don't know, so far. Let me just touch on Kenny Smith because that's my year. Right.

And we're the same age and we grew up together and we're friends to this day, brothers to this day. Absolutely incredible basketball player from day one. Spectacular. He had everything you want in a point guard. And the difference between Kenny Smith and other New York City point guards, historically, he had a jumper as a kid. So he could jump out the building

and he had a legit jump shot. And he was fast. That's why he was a Jet. He's no longer the Jet today, but he was the Jet then. But he was a special talent that I had the chance to play against in high school.

We had a legendary game where he had 42 and I had 38. They won. But ultimately, my team won the state championship. Take that, Kenny. Put your 42 points. Go home. But I'll tell you what, he was spectacular basketball. That's what

I like to hear, Mark. Talk that. Talk that talk. You really humble sometimes. Talk that talk, man. No, he's still mad that we won the state championship and lost to them. It's okay. That's the way it works. You got to go home and we'll see you next time. You ain't got to tell me about it. Mesa's still

talking about his pass that I didn't pass to him 30 years ago. He was open, though. He was open, though. Marky had two points. They was free throws. He didn't have a field goal the whole game. I got 19 points. I was free throws. He didn't have a field goal the whole game. I got 19 points.

I mean, you know, I'm losing this argument about 70 to 30 that I should have passed this ball to other people. A lot of people are hitting me like, Cammy was open. Listen, man, when you Kobe Bryant, you don't see nobody, man. You know, Kobe might not just see nobody. Especially when you're 16 giving Stephon Marbury and Rafe Austin work, you feeling like

I can't be stopped. Listen, and that's that game right there, that game right there, that was the championship. That was the year we sent Steph from home in the semifinals, so... And listen, man, they know I tease them all the time, Rafe and Skip. I didn't really understand basketball to be honest honest with you, until I stopped playing basketball.

I was so emotionally involved. And, you know, what's the word I'm looking for? I was so emotionally involved and didn't take time to ever step back and learn the game from a point guard position. You know, we were running three-guard offense, so I was basically a two-guard, and I would run the point guard when I had to, but who's going to draft? If you're not Allen Iverson,

who's going to draft a 5'11", 6'2"? It just wasn't going to work out for me, but I didn't realize that. I didn't realize that at the time, but big salute to Skip, and big salute to Stephon Marbury. For those that don't know, last night, Stephon Marbury actually issued a response to Sebastian Telford via social media on his IG. If y'all guys want to check out what he said about Sebastian, go to Starbury on IG and you'll see what he said.

He basically said that he's not going to clap back at his cousin. It was disrespect with Sebastian's, I guess, older brothers that he wasn't going to tolerate. And he's not going to talk about it because that's family business in a nutshell. So check out his IG if you want to see what he had to say about what Sebastian Telford said. And it's looking like the conversation may continue because it looks like Mark and Skip might be on the segment together next. But before we get into that, we're going to get into some of the topics right now. So Miami Heat coach Eric Spolstra agrees to an eight-year, $120 million contract extension. This is the most committed coaching money in history.

So what are your thoughts about the extension and do you think it was granted correct? Well, to me, it's well-deserved. He's a brilliant basketball mind. He's had an incredible run. Continues to have his, you know, leadership intact as far as they respond and react to his leadership. He's done an outstanding job from day one. So I think it's a great thing. And I think we're moving towards paydays like that for coaches because the way that these players are making, the dollars that they're making, it's awfully tough to have a $2 million coach trying to tell a $50 million player

what to do and how to react and how to respond and how to execute the game plan. So I think it's well overdue and it's a welcome sight

that Eric Spolster makes this kind of money. He deserves it. He's had incredible success and I think others are going to follow that lead. I think if anybody knows who deserves it, it's Mark.

And that's why it's a pleasure having him up here. I have nothing bad to say about it. I think that he's done a great job. I would say a very underrated coach. But what I do have to say is this. I think Ty Lue's a great coach. Of course, Popovich, you. Of course, you, Coach Jackson.

I have two things. Eric Spoelstra and Doc Rivers. Can't get it done without the superstars. They get them there, but they don't get the job done. Doc Rivers is considered one of these great coaches, and I really don't like talking about black coaches or GMs or anybody in that position because it's hard to get jobs in that position. But we give Doc Rivers a lot of credit.

He has one championship. You know, he went to the Clippers. Lob City was there. You had primetime Chris Paul, primetime Blake Griffin. Jordan was there. And they run into, I'm going to say it, Mark Jackson's team, whether he was there or not. The team that Mark Jackson put together, and they couldn't get over the hump.

Eric Spolstra, to me, is kind of the same thing. But he gets his team to the championship, but he never won without LeBron James or Chris Bosh or Dwyane Wade. I think it's more of a testament to Pat Riley and the culture that he brings when he comes to an organization, whether it's the Lakers, whether it's the New York Knicks, whether it's the Miami Heat. Eric Spoelstra is a direct descent of Pat Riley. He was doing the camera shit before.

He didn't have any coaching experience and I'm not calling him a puppet or anything I think he's learned over the years but you were under Pat Riley's wing I believe Stan Van Gundy was there got the Miami Heat to the Eastern Conference Finals with Shaquille O'Neal and got fired. The very year he got them to the Eastern Conference Finals, because I don't believe, and I don't know this for a fact, this is all camera and speculation, that Stephen Gundy had a vision and he may have been giving Pat Riley some pushback.

What does Pat Riley do? All right, see you later. I'm going to come here and coach this team because I see we're this close away from getting the championship. And there was a lot of speculation that Pat Riley was trying to catch the Phil Jackson's record on coaching, so on and so forth. But soon as he got that championship, who steps into the fold? Eric Spolstra, the cameraman, not the assistant coach, not the person that's on the bench every day, the guy that's doing the film. And like I said, there's no disrespect to Eric Spoelstra. I think over the years,

you know, the best teacher is experience sometimes. He gained experience being there. But coming into the job, he had no experience. You're under Pat Riley and you're the cameraman and you didn't win any championships without LeBron James, Chris Bosh, or Deway Way. You got there with Jimmy Butler a couple of times, which is phenomenal,

and Bear My DeBio, which is phenomenal, but you didn't get the job done. The biggest thing I take away from this whole situation is that I believe that he may have been getting this money previously, but the Miami Heat and Pat Riley and the organization was smart enough, and he was smart enough as well, when I say Eric Spoelstra,

to wait till he got divorced to get this money. Now he doesn't have to split any of this money with his wife that he already probably would have had turmoil with or problems with. It's mighty mysterious. 30 games in, you know, we're not in the middle of the season. We're not at the end of the season. I don't know what his contract extension is.

Soon as you get a divorce, the 100 M's come in. Pat Riley and the crew. Smart niggas, man. Salute and congratulations, Eric Spalster. That's bigger than anything else to me about the whole shit. Could have been getting this money. Like Mark just said,

you was well-deserved of it. But Pat Riley said, you're going through turmoil, you're having problems. It's almost over, right? Hold on five, six months. Keep it. That's what I take away from it, Mark.

Okay, I definitely can't sit in and not say anything. No. That's all Cam right there. You're supposed to jump in and say something else. He said, that's all you. Yeah, that's Cam for this. All Cam opinion. No, no.

I respect the opinion. And that's New York City. Doc Rivers won a championship with the Boston Celtics and did an incredible job. He's a Hall of Fame basketball coach when it's all said and done because of his body of work. There's no hate as far as I'm concerned. We lost the game seven

my last year on the road to the Los Angeles Clippers with Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Jamal Crawford, J.J. Redick, and all those guys. I got respect for Doc Rivers. Eric Spolster, Pat Riley won a championship and give Pat Riley credit. When he picked him, Eric Spolster was the cameraman. I'm sure Eric Spolster, Pat Riley won a championship, and give Pat Riley credit. When he picked him, Eric Spolster was the cameraman.

And I'm sure Eric Spolster will be the first to tell you. You can call me cameraman at that point. But he has changed the image of who he was as a basketball coach. It was a risk for Pat Riley to pick him, but he picked him, and it was a home run higher. Eric Spolster has done everything that you can imagine Pat Riley thought he would do and surpass that as a head coach and a leader for the Miami Heat. Now, it certainly is a luxury

having Pat Riley upstairs in the office putting a stamp on everything they're doing, but let's not shortchange Eric Spolster and the job that he's done. He's a Hall of Fame coach also. So those are two guys I got respect for and continue to get it done on a high level.

Listen, Mark. This is why I miss my man Murda. You stat baby and shit. You said the same shit I said in a professional, nice, political way. And that's what you post. This is, you and stat are the most professional people I see. You ain't say shit else.

But what I say in the most professional way, except giving Doc Rivers his Hall of Fame career. And listen, he might be a Hall of Fame coach. And you're doing the right thing, Mark, because that's why you not care. And that's why I got the reputation I got. I can't go in every room. You can go in every room in America.

Because you said the same shit I said in a nice, polite way. And you made everybody look good. And you cleaned it up. But I said the same shit I said in a nice, polite way, and you made everybody look good, and you cleaned it up, but I said the same thing you said. Let me say what Mark just said. Mark said, listen, Doc Ruffins did win one championship, and he's

because that's your man. I know it's your man, and he'll have a Hall of Fame career. I didn't say that part, but I'm pretty sure he will. I said he won a championship, and he won a championship since. Who'd he win a championship with? A primetime Paul Pierce, a primetime Kevin Garnett, a primetime Ray Allen, an up-and-coming Rondo. Period. Didn't win one since. Then we go over to Eric Smolstra. You sat there and said, well, Eric Smolstra will say he's the cameraman. What did Cam say previously?

He was the cameraman. And what did Cam say? He might have earned his way to be a head coach now, but he has Pat Riley over him. What did Mark Jackson say? But Eric Smolstra did things the right way, and I'm pretty sure that he earned. I said that same shit, Mark.

You just cleaned it up. You made it sound good. We on the same page. We on the same page, baby. Hey, you know what? You my translator, Mark. You just cleaned it up. You made it sound good. We on the same page. We on the same page, baby. Hey, you know what? You my translator, Mark. You said it for the best way for America to understand it and not urban America for me.

So that's why we a great team. I like that. Me and you are stacked. Y'all can clean me up. Of course. Y'all two will make me look good because y'all are saying the same things that I say all the time, man.

I think that was great, Mark. I'm trying to see where was me and y'all, what was different from what you said that I said just so I understand. I left out the analytics as far as the divorce is concerned. What are you doing? All right, cool. Well, I just thought it was mysterious, man.

I agree with you, Mark. I totally agree with you 100%. But that is mighty strange as soon as the divorce comes in that, um, honey, some M's is on the table, man. All his. I know his wife like, man.

What you think, Stat? Um, it is coincidental, but I still think shout out eric spolstra i mean i think here we go professionalism look at the professional he's definitely one of my favorite coaches and as far as the stats with the miami he has 725 wins 109 playoff wins fifth all-time he's a three-time champion two as head coach seven-time east titles and nba finals appearances can't go past what cam said because it is very coincidental, and I know that's what people are looking at.

But at the end of the day, he signed his contract, he's getting his money, and that's all that matters. He's still going to be coaching. So he's a three-time NBA champion, two as a coach, and one as the cameraman. So what I will say, I'll say this. That's what you say? Say how that works.

Sorry, Mark, I'm sorry. What'd you say? No, no, no. There's nobody. There's no coach that wins without home run talent. So we can make that case about everybody that has won a championship. This is true. This is absolutely true.

Yeah. Shout out Eric Spolster. Pretty, pretty dope. But let us know what you guys think. Hold on real quick. Home run talent is superstar talent, you said, right? Yes. Outside, and we can argue about this, and not right now, not today.

Do you think it was superstar talent or great talent on the Spurs? Superstar talent. Tim Duncan is I'm saying we can't argue the big fundamental but Tony Parker played his role

Janobi played his role they were good good players I don't know about outside of Tim Duncan I don't know about superstar talent all-star talent

absolutely superstar talent Tim Duncan I didn't say how many you win the championship superstar talent Tim Duncan I said, I didn't say how many. You win the championship for superstar talent. Tim Duncan is a superstar all the time.

Great. Tony Parker, Genovese Hall of Famer, but Tim Duncan is a home run player. Yeah, you good boy. That kid from New York,

you good, man. You good, baby. You right. You absolutely right. No argument. Okay. Moving along, the Clippers signed

Kawhi Leonard to a three-year, $152 million contract extension. The team is also working on a new Paul George deal. Are they making the right choice? Absolutely. Again, you win with talent. There's no question about the greatness of Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, James Harden, Russell Westbrook. These are all the famous. Why not, while you have the talent, tie them up? The only concern has been their health. And this year, they have proven to be healthy and whole

and playing great basketball after a rough start when the trade was made for James Harden. So I think it's the right move to tie those guys up financially and secure the future, especially with the Clippers ready to move into a brand new building. How long is the future, Mark? These niggas is young. They're not young. What is the future? How many more years do you think Paul George and Kawhi Leonard

have? If we save five at a high level, I mean, they take care of their body. I'm sorry? No, go on. I'm listening to you. They take care of their bodies, and they're proven guys. Down the stretch of

ballgames, you need guys that when you're talking about playoff basketball and everybody is well aware of what you're running offensively, you need guys that can make a play and get a quality shot. And they got three guys that's as good as we've seen at creating offense for themselves and others. Outside of Kawhi Leonard, I don't know who's proven anything.

Kawhi Leonard is definitely proven. He's definitely proven. He was the man on the Spurs actually when they won their last couple of championships he went to Toronto sent Joel Embiid home crying with snotting in his nose and everything else

and ended up winning the championship I don't know if they would have won that championship if Klay Thompson and Kevin Durant gets hurt I don't know about that but they won the championship only championship in this country of Canada, outside of Kawhi Leonard. And listen, Paul George gets mad at me

because somebody said that Paul George was the GOAT. And when they said the GOAT, better than Michael Jordan, better than LeBron James, better than Kareem Adams, whoever. He was the GOAT all the time. So I said this guy must be on drugs, fentanyl specifically, maybe heroin.

I don't know what kind of drug he was on to say that Paul George was the GOAT. So Paul George was like, Ken, why I can't be the GOAT? Why I can't be the GOAT? And we'll let you be the GOAT because we can't hate on what a kid's dream is saying that you're the GOAT. No, no, no, no. I got to stop you there again.

Everything don't need to be remixed. Just tell the truth. Shame the devil. Paul George is a great basketball player. He's a Hall of Famer. They can win a championship with him. He can create offense for himself and others. He's spectacular. This just in, he's not the GOAT.

And that's enough. It's okay. It's okay. Okay. Thank you. and that's it's okay it's okay okay thank you you know and Stephen A. Smith shout out to my bro Stephen A. Smith when he was on our show

he said the same thing he had a bunch of reasons why Paul George is into the GOAT my question is cause and let's take I just want to give you

an example of what was going on you say your exact words Mark was proven. And I say Kawhi Leonard is proven. Who are the other two players

that's proven players that you're talking about? Because there's three other all-stars on the team outside Kawhi Leonard. But I'm trying to figure out who else is proven and what's your definition of proven? Because I don't know who else is proven

besides Kawhi Leonard. Well, let's take away Russell Westbrook because he's coming off the bench, but he certainly is a proven guy. Let's talk about the other two guys and Paul George, who was a franchise player with the Indiana Pacers and has been spectacular everywhere he's gone. Was almost MVP in Oklahoma City. He's legit.

There's no question about his ability to score, his ability to defend, his ability to create offense. James Harden, there's no question about his ability to initiate offense for himself and play make at a high level, assisting, getting high percentage shots. He's made Zubac a better basketball player just for the fact of pick-and-roll basketball

where he's diving to the cup and getting him easy opportunities at the rim. And offensively, he's spectacular. So to me, they got three guys that you can put the ball in their hands when it matters most and get a quality look. So I don't think that's up for debate. There's no question about the greatness

of those three guys. Once again, Mark Jackson, I will ask you, what is the definition of proven? What if they proven that they know how to play basketball? They wouldn't be in the NBA if they didn't know how to play basketball. They wouldn't be all-stars if they don't know how to play basketball. What have they proven? I will say this.

The same argument I was going to say with the coaches, with players. In this league, it is absolutely hard. It is hard to win games, and it is extremely difficult to win a championship. So I don't believe that everybody that wins a championship is a winner, and everybody that doesn't is not. I believe that winners, to me, LeBron getting to the finals with that Cleveland Cavalier team initially, or Allen Iverson getting to the finals with that Philadelphia 76ers team and putting pressure on Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, and that Laker team.

To me, I can make the case that that feat alone is as great or better than some teams that won a championship. So I'm not strong on winning a championship. To me, Paul George, Kawhi Leonard, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, they are proven. They are absolutely proven. And listen, I totally agree with you. It doesn't have to be rings and things you sing about, bring them out.

I understand that. It doesn't have to be about title town like May says. Let me ask you this then before we move on and go to break. Some guys who haven't won a championship, and I want you to answer this. And I know it's two different areas, but I want to see what you have to say about this. This is your expertise.

Paul George, and this is as a package deal, not together, but I'm going to ask for both players, Paul George and James Harden. Are either one of them better than Charles Barkley? Or just as good? No. Reggie Miller?

I mean, you're close to home, but they're all in the room. They're all home. Yes and no, Mark. Is there even one of them better than Reggie Miller? James Harden was the MVP. James Harden, you can make the case, could have been an MVP multiple times. And not only is he a legit scoring title champ,

but he's a double-digit assist guy i think we don't give him enough credit enough respect because he's absolutely falling short at times in the playoffs but he's a he's an outstanding basketball player i would say they're all in the room and then it's tough call him alone again they're in the room Patrick Ewing in the room okay cool I just want to see who you use that with

I'm cool with those answers I just want to see everybody you name think about everybody that you name is a Hall of Famer great basketball player no I want

specifically guys who I know are Hall of Famers that didn't win championships that's why I asked about those players. Because we were talking about, you made a great point. I'm big on championships, but it doesn't define who you are as a basketball player.

Because it may not be in your favor to win a championship because you don't have the best team. But I specifically named Hall of Famers who I know know are good, and won MVP, league MVPs before when it comes to Karl Malone and when it comes to Charles Barkley. And I want to see where you would put those guys with James Hart and then Paul George being that they haven't won a championship so far. So I just want to see the comparison. That's why I was asking. And you hit something.

I'm like Tito Jackson. You went with Pat Ewing and Reggie Miller. I was with Michael. I can't go against him. I did that on purpose just to see if you would go against your boys, man. That's messed up. I can't do that. Yeah, you say, that's messed.

You were supposed to say no. Did they not better them anyway? What kind of teammate are you, Mark? Come on, man. Look, I can't kill Bassey for coming on their line and then I stopped line. I got to tell the truth. That's what's up. That's what's up, man. Look, I can't kill Bassey for coming on their line and then I stopped line. I got to tell the truth. That's what's up. That's what's up, man.

Consistency. Okay, so we're going to go to break. And when we return, we will be joined with Skip to My Lou. And I promise y'all, y'all don't want to miss this. Pink horsepower. She call this thing about toxic. What's happening, baby? Baby, what's happening? Why you toxic Walking like that

That's how I walk and then like you come on breathe on me like that Fucking breathe to live and like you used to be dark skin and now you act like hella light skin fucking blind I'm dark skin. What the fuck and then like look at your beard The fuck is wrong with my beard? Your beard looks stupid. What the fuck are you talking about? No, I don't even like it. The way you breathe in, all of that.

Has this ever happened to you? Your girl seems to be mad, angry, upset. She's frustrated. There's only one way to handle that. Pink horsepower. Pink Horse Power. But your breath! But your breath is really refreshing! No, no, no, no, no. I'm just trying to give you a massage.

Plus, have I told you how good your beard looks lately? It looks so good. No! PHP. It works every time. Wait! Where are you going? Welcome back. So let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day.

The Knicks will play the Mavs. Jalen Brunson is at 38 and a half points, rebounds and assists. You got them higher or lower? Points, rebounds and assists, 38. Gets the Mavs. Kyrie Irving's playing. Lower.

Okay. Julius Randle is at nine rebounds. Do you have them higher or lower? He's such a... I'm going to go lower. I'm going to go lower. And Kyrie Irving is at 30 and a half points. Do you have him higher or lower?

Damn, man, that's a good one. Listen, real quick before I answer that, make sure you go to Underdog Fancy, download the app They'll double your deposit up to $100 So if you put up $50 They'll give you $50 Use code CAM

Right now, four people that use code CAM Is going to the Super Bowl Y'all won over $3 million Fucking with me and my picks This is what I do And what I will tell you is this Kyrie Irving is going to have more than 30 points tonight because Jalen Brunson has been busting ass. This is a real test because

a lot of people, they've been saying, oh, I may want Jalen Brunson more than Kyrie Irving. You know, he's a true point guard and Kyrie's a headache and all this. We haven't really heard anything off the court about Kyrie since he's been in Dallas. It's been a good move for him in Dallas when he was in New York because there's too much going on, Amazon,

whole bunch of shit was going on. I like Kyrie in Dallas because he can focus on basketball. He's down there with my brother with up Sham God

and I'm going to go with more than 30. Kyrie, do not make me look bad tonight. There you go. You heard it here first. Make sure to download the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too.

We are joined back with Mark Jackson and another special guest, Skip Tumalu. Yeah! Yeah! Skip! Yeah, I got everybody! What's up? We got to do a baby!

Yeah! What's up? Yeah! Yeah! I got everybody up it, baby. Yeah. What's up? What's up? Yeah. Yeah. I got everybody up here, man. Mark and Skip at the same time. First of all, let me say something real quick. I'm so excited, Paws, to have both of these legends on the show at the same time.

This is big for me, Paws. Even though these are both my brothers, to be on the screen with these guys at the same time, it's amazing for me as a, you know, as Stephon Marbury told me, I'm a high school basketball player, but these are not only my friends, I'm also

fans of these guys, so this is a big moment for me, for having both of you guys on the show, thank you guys for both joining at the same time. Big Queens in the building, big Queens basketball in the building. Mark is the BQE expressway. Skip just told me,

thank you guys for joining. What I will say is this, um, Skip is not smiling. I don't think he thinks nothing's funny. I hold on. My piece came out. Skip is up here with the Afghanistan beard

and nothing but a straight frown on his face. B, with his accolades in the background. It looks like Skip got a chip on his shoulder. I'm going to get my earpiece back in. And even when I introduce him, it's a frown like it's a boxing match or a game about to be played. We'll get right into it

Skip, thank you for joining How have you been, brother? Man, good, man Always great to catch up With my childhood friend My backcourt mate We played biddies, midgets We got history, brother

People don't understand When you speak basketball You do know what you're talking about because you play alongside some of the best. Thank you, man. You know what it is, too, Skip, that my basketball career ended so short, and me and Mace, you know, I went to,

and I'm not going to get into me. We're going to cut this short, but what happened is I got kicked out of JUCO my first year, and when I got kicked out of juco at 19 years old at mace had a two million dollar record deal waiting for him and we just became rappers we never tried to go back to school or anything else not saying we would have made it to the nba or anything like that but when you're 19 years old and two million dollars is waiting for you in 1995 and 96 that would be the end of your basketball career

as far as me and Mace is concerned. But we don't get a lot of credit because they know us only purely from rap. But thank you for letting people know that. I really do appreciate that. Thank you, brother. Absolutely. Let's get straight to it.

When we got Mark on the phone today, pardon me, on the call today on the show. He said he was very disappointed in me and Mace for not giving Sebastian enough pushback, knowing that we know the history of New York City basketball and the names that Sebastian had called out. Mark said we should have said something more. And we could have, and we probably should have, but we wanted to let him get his story off his chest and his feelings. And we know that he hasn't had the best of times lately. So we wanted to give him a platform, at least to tell his story. I spoke to you yesterday and you weren't as nice as Mark Jackson was today. You were pretty upset. And

I'll leave that for you to talk about because Mark definitely talked about it before you came on. Mark went from Lloyd Daniels to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to Kenny Smith to, listen, Mark named about eight, nine different players that we didn't name. And you're very, you don't talk a lot, Skip. You're about action. You really don't talk a lot. So when I see you on social media going back and forth with people,

I say, yeah, that's what you gotta do. You got to, yo, that's what the fuck you gotta do. Stop letting, because you one of them guys Skip like I ain't gonna argue with niggas Go to the videotape I'm talking about

Go to the tape Or I'm gonna pull up in the park And give it to you That's how I am Yeah yeah We ain't gonna pause that either Yeah that's what I'm talking about See

The thing about this When Sebastian was talking About culture And I said to myself Damn I'm not gonna stop it Cause I know people Gonna pull up When we talk about culture. And I said to myself, damn, I'm not going to stop it because I know people are going to pull up.

When we talk about culture, we talk about somebody, and let me say this because I want you to, I'm going to say a few things before I let you talk. Skip, skip, Rayford Austin,

skip AK, skip DeMond Lou. I don't know how the fuck you got to the NBA because you didn't go to high Montleux. I don't know how the fuck you got to the NBA. Because you didn't go to high school that much. I don't know. You didn't go to high school that much. You got in some type of way into Fresno State.

Not only did you leave Fresno State, you started this whole N1 mixtape shit to where people like Kyrie Irving said he wouldn't be the basketball player he is without the N1 mixtape shit to where people like Kyrie Irving said he wouldn't be the basketball player he is without the N1 mixtape shit and then still had a great year, career, pardon me, in the NBA. That's how good you are

because in that era, you had to follow the right route. You had to go to school. You had to pass your SATs. You had to go to school, to college for a certain amount of years. And then you had to go to school. You had to pass your SATs. You had to go to school, to college for a certain amount of years. And then you had to go to the NBA. You skipped all the right ways to go to the NBA and still had a decent and great career in the NBA. That's how talented you are. And that's how much culture you push forward.

What do you have to say about, I just want to let people know that. And for those that don't know, go to YouTube and type in Rafe Austin or type in Skip D'Malu or type in M1 and you'll see everything that this man was doing before it was an iPhone or any phone, period. Period. And listen,

it's no footage on me playing basketball because I wasn't that good. I was good in my brain. I was good, you know. And the reason why it's footage on Skip is because the cameras followed him. Back then, you had the bulky shits, the camera you had to carry like this or like this. Nobody was going to buy one of them to invest to follow me around. They followed him around with that big, doofy-ass camera.

That's how good he was. So I wanted people to know that, Skip. Like I said, Mark talked about what Sebastian said earlier. What do you have to say about Sebastian saying that he's probably the greatest player, not only out of Coney Island, but out of New York City, period? Like I chimed in today and I said, I thought the man was high. That's what I thought, to be honest. I'm not shit-coded.

I don't mean it disrespectful with all due respect, because my thing is, how dare somebody like that, who I give him the utmost credit and respect. You had a phenomenal high school career. I say that with respect. Not putting him over the Lou Alcindors, the Kenny Andersons, the Pearl Washtens, and the list goes on. My man sitting right there, you know, on the other side is Kevin Mark Jackson. But at the end of the day, how dare you say that you're the greatest in New York City history with all this New York City history before you? None of us New York City basketball players ever put ourselves ahead of the players of yesteryear,

the players that came before us and that laid the foundation, the groundwork for us. There's no Rafer Olsen without a Mark Jackson, without a Rod Strickland, without a Boo Harvey. The list goes on and on. How dare me as a youngster talk about I'm better than those guys? I don't care. I'll give you a prime example. When I first got into an NBA game, it was against Mark Jackson. It was against the Pacers.

I scored six points. You think I'm going to call Queens, God bless his soul, may he rest in peace, his brother was my best friend. You think I'm going to call Escalade like, y'all bust Mark Jackson's ass. Why would I score six points on Mark? Forget the fact that Mark won and Mark backed me down and had 13 points and 13 assists.

That goes out the window because I scored a measly six point on such an iconic individual. That's the problem I have with Sebastian. It's like, I understand that when you're young, you have this persona and you have this feeling about yourself. And we all in New York and everywhere, we taught and raised to don't say someone's better than you. But when you get to a certain age in life, reality's reality, and we're grown men. Cut it short, man. Sebastian needed to pump his brakes. If his brakes didn't work, go get touched by Midas. No freaking way.

You know what I mean? Go to Midas, get your brakes free, and come back to the drawing board with us. Like I said, I would love to pull up on Sebastian, have a dinner. Let's talk, bro. And we could talk our New York City basketball history, man. And I would tell him, in no shape, form, or fashion can Sebastian Telfia mess with me on a basketball court. It's not happening.

He can't mess with Mark Jackson. He can't mess with Stephon Marbury. These are guys that should be in the Hall of Fame. Mark Jackson has Hall of Fame numbers. Stephon Marbury has Hall of Fame stats. They should be in the Hall of Fame. And you got in. You had an iconic high school career, and all of a sudden,

my NBA career is better Sebastian tell him Yes My thing and I don't like when people like Sebastian why this market talk facts I could speak facts Sebastian you have no facts to back this up Facts. Sebastian, you have no facts to back this up. You were dominating high school. You beat Midwood, Sheep's Head Bay.

Whoop-dee-doo. Whoop-dee-doo. If you really want to get to your high school career, if you really want to talk about your high school career, you beat Canarsie? Come on, man. Right. You were feasting on bottom tier PSA. I'm just, I'm just being action factually.

Right. Sebastian, we love you, man, but something's off. Something's missing. I don't know. And as your fellow New York city brother, if you ever want to talk and you want us to pull up on, you have dinner and talk to you, man, get you right. We will, man.

But we will tell you in your face, you can't mess with us, man. So... Y'all two from... Y'all from some different parts of Queens. Because that was some hardcore Queens shit going on just now. God damn. Now... Woo. Woo.

Woo. Woo. Hold on. My earpiece fell out on that shit right there, boy. And the man talk. He talk about culture. Yeah. I was a culture phenomenon.

And I had no idea what I was, nor did I care about it at the time. Because you know, Cam, I was 15, 16, 17 years old. And they trying to say, a prime example. They trying to say I was one of the greatest street ball player. I tell people, no, I wasn't. What about the Fly Williams? What about the Earl Man?

What about those guys, the Joe Hammonds? They one time, they said I was the greatest player to ever play in Rocker Park. Dr. J played there. I have nothing on Dr. J. I ain't got nothing on this man. And that's what I'm saying about a guy like Sebastian Stelfair. Like, come on, man. These dudes, these people that came before you laid the foundation.

They even laid the foundation of what it is to be the greatest New York City high school basketball player. When high school basketball player, when Mark and them was playing all that high school basketball, damn that every team from Catholic school to post was nice. They was nice. You got one team with Walter Berry. You got Chris Mullin at one high school. You got all these different schools, Pearl Washington, boys and girls. Like this, the list when they was playing was crazy. The list with me, when you and I was playing, when you was at Manhattan center. You know, I hate to bring this up, but Mark, we, we scrimmaged them.

And I scored 31 on Mason, Cam, and Richie Parker. My brother, Cam, my brother, Cam and Mason in them wanted to fight me. Cause I had, I moonwalked down the court, dribbling the ball one time and Mason Campbell was like, yo, you're not going to do that in Manhattan Center. But that's my guy, you know. I don't remember that.

You do? No recollection. So, all right, so this is what we doing? I was going to let you know this is what we doing? All right, bet. I bought you the rocker.

I had Coach Dave and them come get you and bring you the rocker. I bought you the LaGuardia. I just told Mark, you cried when I got MVP. You definitely brought me LaGuardia House. Yeah, LaGuardia House when I got MVP when we was on the same team. When I got MVP, you was the commissioner talking about,

Cam is really getting the MVP. You don't remember that? I bet you don't. I think I had like 30 points. I must have had 37. Then I had to don't. Because I think I had like 30 points. I must have had 37. Then I had to have 37. And Cam, you actually told on yourself because you said you brought me to LaGuardia House and you got to me. Go figure.

No, I'm saying. How are they going to give it to the guy you brought in the building? Skip, you're not understanding. Skip, you know what I'm going to say? Yeah, I'm going to let Skip talk. Yo, Mark, LaGuardia House is down the block from where Cam and them grew up from. He has his own team. This is what I'm trying to tell you.

This is what I'm going to tell y'all. I want Skip to go off. I like this, Skip. I like this, Skip. Right here, Skip usually be quiet. I like this, Skip. Now, before we get back to Sebastian, what happened is this. I brought all the niggas

because I played with Galchers Riverside. I tried to get niggas that's not from Harlem to come uptown because I knew niggas with money. I knew niggas who would pay these niggas to come play. And they did. I reached out to Booger. I would call my niggas, Skip. I even called

Steph or Marbury sometime to come uptown. I'm like, y'all niggas, you know, and I'm not putting niggas out there. I'm just, I would call my nigga Skip. I even call Steph or Marbury sometime to come up there. And I'm like, y'all niggas, you know, and I'm not putting niggas out there. I'm just saying we was fucked up. So if we could play basketball and get a couple of dollars, I would reach out to my people. So I knew some people was a couple of dollars and I bought Skip up there. I didn't bring him there to be my teammate. I bought him there because he was good. I was just better that tournament. That's just what happened in that particular tournament that I happened to be better

that tournament. Skip went in the office and was like, Cam is really getting MVP. That's what y'all are telling me. He wants to fight the commissioner. That's the only story

I got up on Skip. He's right. He came to Man Center. He bust our ass. But listen, nobody ever outright bust my ass. If you had 31, I had at least 20-something. Only person that I will admit

that gave me the business in high school, outright because there was no scouting report on him, and I was just confused, is Ed Cota. Ed Cota gave me the business. I can't give anybody else 100% of killing me besides Ed Koda. It was no scouting report on Ed Koda. And when he came up to me at center, I was trying to rip the kid because I thought I had good defense. And he gave me about 38 points. Skip, he may be right.

I told Skip this on the phone earlier when I was speaking. And just like, and no jokes aside, And earlier when I was speaking, and just like, and no jokes aside, just like before he started talking, I've never seen anybody outside of Ali Mo and him who didn't put the work in who was so good at a young age. I know when he got older, he got serious and put the work in. But let me cut you off. That's because you guys didn't see. Because I'm in Queens. Remember, only time y'all really saw me is when I did come to town and what happens is sometimes

after we played whatever Thomas that Coach Thurman shout out to Coach Thurman player, whatever Thomas Coach Thurman, either I went back to Queens or I hung out with y'all. God bless our brother Huddy Six. We would be running y'all. Right. I mean, God bless our brother Huddy Six. Yes. We would be running, y'all had me running around Harlem. Yes, yes.

I'm talking about, we like little rug wrap. You couldn't tell us nothing, though. That's a fact. Right? Yes, sir. But I worked on my game every day in Queens. Gotcha.

Right? Again, Mark, I used to go in the house and tape like 86, 87 Mark Jackson games, Rod Strickland games. I used to watch these the house and tape like 86, 87 Mark Jackson games, Rod Strickland games. I used to watch these guys relentless, man. So to piggyback on your intro, that's how a guy like me plays 11 years in the NBA

because I studied the game tapes. And the thing is- When I played for a lot of coach NBA, they couldn't understand how the hell I already knew how to run your team. I knew how to run it because I studied the game tapes. Right. I would put the DePaul game on. I will put the St.

John's game on. I will put the North Carolina game on. It didn't matter what I went outside of there. When I came back in the house, I would go to my mom. Did you record that game? Put that, put that VCR tape on.

I need to learn. I knew how to control tempo. I knew what it is to understand time scoring situation. And that's what, like when we were coming up, a lot of people say, well, this kid's better than Rafe.

This kid's better than Rafe, whatever. But they didn't understand why I kept excelling and succeeding because I knew time scoring at a young age. Why? Because I watched these guys do it on the highest level. And you're absolutely right. I'm sorry that I did say that.

The reason I thought you didn't practice or may not put the work in is because you wouldn't come to games. Like, we thinking we about to play Cardozo. Skip's not here. Skip, we're getting ready to play against Riverside or whatever team you play for. Aim high or whatever, skip's not here. Skip, we're getting ready to play against Riverside or whatever team you play for, aim high or whatever. Skip's not here.

We're getting, literally, mentally getting ready to play against Skip and you never was there so I'm like, skip off doing some wild shit. And see,

I'm glad you said that. Right. And that's my point to Sebastian Telford when you talk about somebody's better than me. Right. Back in those days,

you guys got prepared for me. That's just facts. That said, Mark, would you tell, that says a lot. This is true. That says a lot. You guys are getting prepared for a young teenager. Y'all brace, y'all bracing yourselves. It's like, you know, on the plane when you get the turbo,

they start yelling brace for impact. You guys were bracing for impact. You guys were bracing for like, yo, wait a minute. When this guy, when this guy comes over the fly ball bridge, we gotta be breaking for him. You guys were breaking for him. Like, yo, wait a minute. When this guy comes over to Tri-Bowl Bridge, we got to be waiting for him. Yo, when he comes over to Tri-Bowl Bridge, yo, somebody guard him from right there. Don't wait for him to get inside the building. Somebody go guard Skip Ray. Remember, I wasn't skipping.

To y'all, I was rave. You wasn't never skipped to us ever, ever. You're right. You, JaVale Jones, all of y'all gave my first nickname. Y'all called me Sleepy because y'all said, yo, Rafe, every time you come around, you look like you sleepy. This is true. This is an actual fact.

Y'all gave my first nickname. You're right. To be honest, you was never skipped to the M1 tapes, and you still Rafe from Queens. That's super duper nice. Exactly. This is facts. Exactly. This is facts, man. Absolutely. In Mark's house, I'm not skipped to my

loose. If his mother's in his house, his mother's gonna say, Rafer, you hungry. Right. No question. To people that know me, go ahead, Mark. No, no,. Right. To people that know me. Go ahead, Mark. No, no.

Go ahead. You're making Queens proud. To people that really know me. Right. They never saw me as Skip to Mount Lou or none of that. They saw me as Ray for all that. Yo, he can play serious basketball. And that's why I look at a lot of people, even in New York City,

it's like just because some of us didn't have the iconic high school basketball career doesn't mean... I'll give you an example. Is Jamal Tinsley a terrible basketball player? Because he ain't playing high school ball. Right. You know why he's good?

Ask Jamal. As I tell y'all, I study Mark, Rod, all these guys. Jamal Tinsley will tell tell you he's younger than me. He was on my team in certain tournaments in Brooklyn. He would tell you, yo, I watch Ray. Right. The thing I love about it, the thing I love about it,

and I said before even Skip came on the show, I said basically Skip is going to show tremendous respect and appreciation for everybody across the board. He's going to show great humility. He definitely did. And that's exactly, without even talking to him a year ago or whatever, without even talking to him, I knew how he was going to come on. So hopefully Sebastian gets the memo and does not take this as hate, but instead embraces, this is how you treat people and this is how you show great respect rather than getting clicks. This is the way to get clicks.

And I will say this. When you talk about changing a culture or being a culture-impactful person, there's no – this is a playground legend that made it to the NBA finals, that was running a team this close from winning a championship. That's Rafer Alston, skip to my loop. Changed the culture to N1, an entire culture changer where everybody was wanting to be a streetball legend. And he said it.

He was at my house with my younger brother, and he was just Rafer. But the impact that he had cannot be denied and cannot be disrespected. Not at all. And here's the crazy about the impact that those guys had on me. Rod Strickland tells the story all the time. I went to Rugger Park to see Skip to my loop. When I saw Rod sitting at Rugger Park on the thing,

I was, like, overwhelmed, overjoyed. Like, man, that's Rod Strickland. I don't care what I'm doing out here. I'm never going to open my mouth and say I'm better than Rod Strickland. I'll bust Rod Strickland's ass. You out of your goddamn mind. I don't care how much I think about it. Fast forward to the NBA Finals.

I will say this, though, Skip. I give you so much credit, and you deserve a change in the culture. But the strike against you is if Jay-Z won MVP in a game that I was in, something's wrong. Cam won MVP, man. Thank you, man. Listen, Mark, I have a few things to say. I'm waiting for y'all to finish.

I have a few things to say. No, no, no. No, no. Hold on, Skip. Hold on. Go back to the NBA Finals. Please go back to the NBA Finals. Go back to the NBA Finals because I have a few things to say.

I was in a lose-lose situation. Go back to the NBA Finals because I got a couple things to say because y'all guys are I got a little bit. Mark, I got another story. I got another story about Cam and Mace. Here we go. We played summertime ball. He's going to act like he don't remember this.

He's going to act like he don't remember my 31 points. He's going to act like I'm at 31 points, man. He's going to act like I don't have 31 points, man. I got it. I'm going to tell you this other story. Here we go. It was myself. It was myself, Paul Ruddick from Queens, James Phillips, which is Stymie from Queens.

We came to this tournament called UDC with five players. We get to the park. We're playing against Mays, Cam, and all these guys. We beat the brakes off these guys with five players. We get to the park. We're playing against Maze, Cam, and all these guys. We beat the brakes off these guys with five players. These guys are talking trash but wanting to fight. We beat these guys with five players. Again, he don't remember this. I don't remember.

I don't understand what's wrong with my brother's memory. I remember things with him and I since 1988, but he don't remember. I don't understand. Listen, Skip. To the point, Mark, to the point, Mark, we got to, we damn near got to a brawl in the park. And it was like, they were like 15 deep. It's just five of us and Coach Billy Medley.

You know Billy Medley, Mark. It's five of us and Billy Medley. We had, it was, after we done slaughtered him on the court, I threw a punch at one of them guys on the seat and we all took off running, caught the train. Just so happened the train was coming. It just so happened the train was coming. We made it to the train and made it back to field for 15 dudes to get up.

Now, all you got to do, Mark, is call Paul Ruddick, hit Paul Ruddick. You know Paul Ruddick. Hit Stiney and they will tell you this story is actual factual, man. Cam, you don't remember this? I couldn't believe my brother Mace and my brother Mace and my brother Cam won the fight. I'll say this. I'm a teammate.

I'll say this. Me and Mace fought each other when we played against each other. We don't like to lose. I don't remember what he's talking about, chasing niggas to the train station. That was some Brooklyn shit. All them niggas didn't chase niggas to the train station. That's when you had to go to Brooklyn. That was some Brooklyn shit. All them niggas didn't chase niggas to the train station. That was,

that's when you had to go to Brooklyn. That ain't really even our style. We used to have to run out of Brooklyn from Red Hook, Brooklyn, wherever we go,

play at the gym. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you remember that? Okay, cool. Anyway. One thing about us, Cam, one thing I say is we were fierce competitors

as young kids. This is true. 10, 11, 12 years old. When we used to practice in that dirty basement gym in Salem Church, we didn't want one person to score. As soon as somebody scored, somebody was saying, man, you score me one more time, I'll punch you in the face. That's just who we were.

This is very true. Nobody wanted to lose. Like, I remember, and not just Skip, I'm saying, and like he said, God bless the dead, my brother Huddy, six, and I lived in Hud's house four or five nights a week. I would rather go sleep in the street than go to his house if I lost him. That's how bad, I would not go home. Oh yeah, Huddy ain't going to hear you, he's not going to stop talking.

Yeah, so at the end of the day, listen, I don't remember UDC. I'm not saying it didn't happen. Maybe I just remember the good times. Maybe I only... Do you remember you playing at UDC? Vaguely. Vaguely. UDC was in the... My mom used to call it

convenient amnesia. No, UDC was in the Bronx. UDC wasn't in Harlem. So I do remember UDC. It was in the Bronx, but... Skip, listen. I'm not taking nothing away from you So I do remember UDC. It was in the Bronx. Okay. It was in the Bronx. Skip, listen. I'm not taking nothing away from you whatsoever. I'm just telling you when we played on the same team. I got a great story.

I'm going to see. Here we go. Here we go. I got a great story. I want to see if Mark remembers this. Okay. Because this involves Sebastian Telford. Okay.

God bless his soul. Mark is in contact with my, I call him my uncle, Mike Ellis. They were playing pickup in the gym. I come in the gym. It was, I don't know the white guy's name that was running the gym. I get there kind of late. These guys are in the middle of their run. I get there.

The white guys are already laying into me. I don't care who you are. You come in the late. I'm like, Mark is giving me this signal like, just chill chill all right i jump i put my shoes i jump on the court i'm on the court i'm playing sebastian telphys on the other team jamel thomas on the sideline pumping sebastian up man i don't care what school skip yo you go right at him right i look at jamel i'm like damn 5 30 530. I thought we was cool, brother. All right.

Sebastian tries to hit me with Stephon's move. I pick his pocket. I do the skip move down the court. Throw it to him until he lays it in. Sebastian had to look on his face like he wanted to cry. I don't know if Mark remembers that, but I saw it. Skip, he said he came to the gym as a high school kid and cooked us. That's the gym.

Arnie Jacobs ran the gym. I didn't know he was from that gym. Okay. Yes. What Mark is saying that Sebastian was on the show and told me to ask Mark how he came to the gym and cooked Mark Jackson. And Mark is like, get the fuck out of here. Basically. He didn't say it like that.

He didn't say that. No, he definitely didn't say it like that. He definitely didn't say it like that. I'll tell you verbatim what Mark said. He said come on man, come on man. I said, I translate that to get the fuck out of here

and stop capping. That's my translation. That's how I took it. And see, I didn't know that part. So basically I'm validating Mark's. Mark, come on, man. I'm validating that. Like, I got to the gym late because, like I said, Mark was in contact with my boy Mike Ellis and said,

yo, basically tell Skip that the runs, this is where the runs is at. Because when I come home in the summertime after the season, I don't know where the news, all I know is the playing tournaments. Like, one summer, Mark was on my team in two tournaments. He was on my team in Rucker, and we had games at Hunter College. We end up slaughtering these dudes at Hunter College, winning the six-foot trophies. I think Mark did the same thing I did with the trophy.

I gave the six-foot trophy to some kid outside. I'm like, I'm not in the trophies anymore. I just gave it to a little kid outside. But the moral of the story was Mark Jackson, Rayford Skitchwell, who was on the same backcourt, and all these guys we was playing against. And it reality set into them. What the hell are we going to do to these two guys,

man? What are we going to do to it? What are we going to do with them? Another problem. And that's my thing with Sebastian. Even in the pickup, Sebastian, what did you, you did nothing to Mark.

And I got there late. So I don't even kind of, by the time I got there, Mark was on cruise control. I come in, laced him out there. I don't know the guy's name. He's laying into me. Oh, you're kind of my runs late and all that. Yo, sir, yo, sir, all right, all right.

Real quick, that was another problem that Sebastian had with what I said, is that I was on Matt Barnes. Shout out to Matt Barnes and Stack 5 Show. And they asked me who has the best players in New York City, borough-wise. And what I told them was that Harlem would never have the best players because as soon as the

game's over, there's too much shit to do. We're not focused. Nobody's helping us out. We're rolling dice. We're going to mess with... It's a hundred things to do, so we're not even in the top two or three. I said that Queens had the best basketball players. That's Cameron's opinion that Queens has the best, had or has the best basketball players in New York city. It was another hellfire.

Cam, you're out your damn mind. Brooklyn got the best basketball players. Yeah. So my answer was Queens. What do you guys think about that? Burrow wise? Yeah. Tell me I my answer was Queens. What do you guys think about that? Burrow wise? Yeah.

Tell me I'm always say Queens. I'm always say Queens, but I'm being biased, but it's, it's tough to say, man. I, and Mark has a better handle on that type of stuff because they,

when I was gathering growing up, they was trying to say the Brooklyn side at that time from 80s or 70s, late 70s to 80s, 45s. The Brooklyn side had the best players is what I gathered as I was coming up through the ranks in Queens. But you couldn't tell me nothing about Queens. That's just how it was. Yeah, for me, I'm a guy that, you know, represent both Brooklyn and Queens. So I would be on both lists. So I'm proud of both areas.

I don't think you can pick between the two. Got you. A lot of great history and a lot of great players. Well, listen, man, I'm going to, we're going to, I want to talk about one thing, NBA, before we get out of here. A couple of things, because we got about five minutes. First of all, thank you guys so much for your insight

and what you guys have done for the game. Not only professional high school coaching with you, Mark, analysts, and Rafe for what you're doing. Before we leave too, Rafe, I want people to know what you got going on. It's been a pleasure to sit down with somebody I looked up to and admired my whole career. I had no idea that you and Rafe

had the relationship that you had. I didn't even know you guys knew each other. But Rafe, like he said, we've known each other since literally 11, 12 years old, maybe 10 years old. And Rafe, we spent the night at each other's house. Or rather years old, maybe 10 years old. And we spent the night at each other's house. Or rather, I never really went to Queens.

He would come and stay. That's been at your house. Yeah, he'd come to Hud's house or JaVale's house or Coach Thurm's house. And it's just been a pleasure to sit down and talk with my childhood friend because we haven't really got to hang out too much as adults, even though we have sometimes.

But this has been a great, great episode for me, man. And I would love to do this again, man. I know Mark's coming back on hopefully one day, right soon. We could get you back on again. And leaving out Sebastian, man, they said what they said, nigga. That's that. They said what they said, nigga. That's that. They said what they said, nigga. Lastly, before I have one NBA question

for both of you guys. Earlier, Skip said that when the plane land, we brace for impact. Nah, nigga. Nah, nah, nah, nah. We know I wasn't going to let that slide, nigga. You said it yourself, brother. No, you just said that nah, nah, nah. We know I wasn't going to let that slide, nigga. You said it yourself, bro. No, you just said that.

Calm the fuck down. What I told you was. No, no, no. I let you talk this whole time. Shut the fuck up the whole time, Skip. Yo, Skip. Skip, cock, cock.

I gotta say something. Oh, go ahead, man. I let you talk for 77 minutes. I didn't say shit. I sat here. But this is why you brought me on the show. This is true. This is true. Go ahead is why you brought me on the show. This is true.

This is true. Go ahead. Go ahead. I want you to talk your shit. Hey, listen. Skip, the door's open for you. Hold on real quick. I want to say, but the door's open for you anytime you want to come up here.

Go ahead. Cam, this is what I'm trying to tell you. And you said it best. I was never a person to toot my own horn. That was, that's not me. That's not how I was about action. But I'm older now. Can I say? Can I say? Since the day toot my own horn. That was, that's not me. That's not how I was about action. But I'm older now. Since the day they put me in CYO,

all the way to, I wouldn't say the NBA, but all the way until we got a little older. All right, now can I say what I got to say? You was on high alert when they say, yo, who played with St. Catherine who's playing with St. Catherine? Who's playing with St. Catherine? Oh, they got Rafer. Listen, what I was going to say is this.

When he was talking about Braves for Impact, this is what I'll say. Rafer, Stephon Marbury, and Felipe Lopez were the names you wanted to kill. Because those were the names that, whether it was, what was his name? God bless the dead. What's the white guys who used to be? No, Kostowski. Tom Kostowski. Them were the premier players in New York City.

So when you had a game against Rafer, when you had a game against Stephon Marbury, and when you had a game against Felipe Lopez, you like, yeah, Tom Sasalski's gonna be there tying the bus ass. Nobody was bracing for shit, nigga.

We was on that type of time. We was ready, nigga. We knew we was gonna land the plane. What? We was gonna land the plane and we'd be... Yo, mom. We was gonna land the plane. Fuck is you talking about? It was a house-style takeover. We was gonna to land a plane. What? We was going to land a plane and we beat. Yo, Mark. We was going to land a plane.

What the fuck is you talking about? It was a house-style takeover. We was going to land a plane, nigga. Other than nobody bracing for shit. We knew Tom Sosowski was going to be there. We knew that Tom Sosowski was going to be there, and it was our turn to get our recognition because y'all three was the prime time players,

and we needed to shine for two minutes. That's what was going on, nigga. Yo, like I tell Sebastian, talk about the guys that... I ain't getting high, nigga. I'm just saying. When you talk about what you was doing, talk about when you did it against guys like Brandeis,

Park West. Talk about those schools. But when it come to me, don't put me in those categories. You didn't play, Skip. You didn't come to school. I couldn't play against you. You played one time in school. That's what I'm saying. You can't say you caught wreck against me, even when we played in those Park tournaments and all that. Listen, they came to

Queens to get me for boys of yesteryear. I destroyed you people. I'm talking about Harlem, not you. Harlem. They came and Queens to get me for Boys of Yesteryear. I destroyed two people. I'm talking about Harlem, not you. Harlem. They came and got me for each one, teach one. I destroyed them Harlem people. They came and got me.

They even, you know, see. Yo, Skip. I'm going to bring you back full circle. Listen, Skip, I never deny your greatness. First of all, the revolution. They even came and got me, Mark, in 1987 when you were destroying the Big East. You know, when you were averaging like 17 points per game and 10 assists a game in the Big East in 1987. They came and got me for small fry. Small fry, yes, yes.

They needed my help. Yeah. They came to Southside, Jamaica, Queens, Mark. Can I get a tournament or two, Skip? Hey, yo, Skip, can I get one or two tournaments? Goddamn, man. Give me a two tournaments at least, Skip, for me.

Let me get two tournaments, man. Goddamn, man. I done forgot about boys of yesteryear, man. God, you, I ain't fucking, you won, man. God, you won, man. You won. You got a lot of tones with me, man. You got, you got,

you got Winter City Wild with me. When they used to play that song, somebody gotta win, somebody gotta lose. Somebody gotta win, somebody gotta lose. That's a fact. And we lost the championship

and we wanted to break the record, the record player. We wanted to break the record player. This is true. This is true. We definitely wanted to do, I hated that song when you lost. When you lost that song, you're right.

You got Summer City Wild with me. Yes. You got Little Lads with me in Trenton, New Jersey. Yes. This is true. Come on, man. We got a lot of stuff together, brother. Come on.

You know what? I just, you know what? At these times, Mark, at these times I'm talking about, you couldn't tell my brother Cam that he wasn't going to be a basketball player. So when he became a rapper, when I was in college, he was a rapper. I was caught off guard. Like, oh, hell no. This dude wanted to be a basketball star.

This is true. Where did these lyrics come from? Look at my bro with these lyrics. This is true. This is true. Hey, man, listen. Maybe I just remember LaGuardia House because I got MVP. I done forgot about Little Lads and City Wise and all the shit you got to MVPs.

And I'm sorry, man. I'm not bad. You know who I never talk about? And we ought to get ready to go. Big shout out to Booger Smith because Rafe brought him up to me the other day. Big shout out to all of them, man. Yeah. Big shout out to Booger Smith.

Before you say something, I got another guy that reached out to me, man. And this is how I remember Mace because this guy, this name I'm going to tell you, Cam, is special to you, especially me, especially a lot of us that played at Young Life. Right. Because him and this, Mace and this guy, they sound alike. That's how I always remember Mace. Marquee?

He reached out to Marquee Pilgrim. Marquee Pilgrim. Absolutely. Marquee Pilgrim, he reached out to me the other day. He said, yo, Rafe, do you remember me? I said, I will never forget you. None of us ever forgot you. Right.

And I want to just say that before you was giving the shout. Booger's my guy. I reached out to him all the time to see how he's doing. Booger was exceptional with that basketball. But nobody's my guy. I reached out to him all the time to see how he doing. Booger was exceptional with that basketball. But nobody know this guy. And, Mark, I got to tell you, and this is how I pay homage to guys. None of us was touching this young kid when we were 8, 9, 10 years old. This kid, Marquis Pilgrim.

This kid was different, Mark Jackson. This kid was different. They came and told me to come uptown to play with Young Life, and I think I'm doing my thing, and this kid is on the court. I'm like, what is that he just did with that basketball? What did he just do? No, Mark Key was different. This kid was so special, man, that this kid went to five-star basketball camps

and told them people, I want to play one-on-one with Isaiah Thomas. Isaiah Thomas, yep. And shook Isaiah Thomas, man. Yeah, at 10 years old. Now, mind you, Mark Jackson, all these guys are my idols, but I wear number 11 because I thought I was Isaiah Thomas. That young man was Isaiah Thomas at a young age. And I said, yo, this man, he reached out to me the other day,

and I said, I damn had tears in my eye. Like I would never forget you, brother. And this kid and this kid that he's talking about, he's from Harlem and his career. This is how impactful he was. Mark. His career was over at 13, 14 years old. Like he, from eight years old to probably 13 years old, this kid was ridiculous. And, and for us to remember him in our 40s. It might've been over at 12. Yeah. It might've been over at 12. Yeah, it might have been over at 12.

So if you almost, and we in our late 40s to still remember this kid, that's how good he was, man. Yo, really, thank you guys. And Skip, you know I'm just fucking with you. I know I never could fuck with you on the court. I'm going to hold my one MVP, whether it was favoritism or not. But I never could mess with you guys on the court. Y'all guys are living legends.

And before we go, I can mess with you guys on the court. Y'all guys are living legends. And before we go, I can't thank you guys enough, man. I was going to give a shout out to Charles Jones as well to us. I haven't spoke to him in a while. Big shout out to Charles Jones. What do you guys, because we talked about knowing B.A. One last thing, and I know

Mark, I want to ask you this too, and I ask you too, Rafe. What do you think about Golden State right now and where they're at and what needs to happen when Draymond Green comes back for them to even get in the playoff picture? Asking me is tough. And to talk about them and Mark sitting there, that's tough. But anyway, I can't say they're going to win a title.

I think their run, their reign and their run is over. They might prove me wrong, but judging from, you know, Father Time is 5,000 BC and 0. Father Time, you're not beating them. And I just think the run is over. And I just think the run is over to me. Golden State was there. They were aiding and abetting Green's behavior by them never wanting to suspend him for all the stuff he did in the past. He in his mind, he probably felt, well, I can keep getting away with this. Right. So and he was to me as good as is. I love him. He's part of the demise.

He's part of the demise. You're getting these technical fouls. You're getting ejections. We're sitting here trying to battle when you're a big part of what we do. He's a huge part of what they do. They go as he go because as Stephan is scoring, he does all the intangibles. He rebounds. He's playing D.

He can push the ball off the rim. To me, in my personal opinion, this is my personal opinion, at some point you got to think about blowing it up and getting some fresh bodies, some other players, some veterans or some other young players in there and just clean it up a little bit. I don't think you get rid of Steph. I think you let him retire as a Golden State bit. I don't think you get rid of Steph. I think you let him retire as a go-to-state warrior.

I don't know about Clay. I think you've let him retire as a go-to-state warrior too, but I can see them maybe wanting to move off because they didn't want to, they didn't give him the contract yet that he was seeking. He didn't sign a deal with an offer or whatever, but my thing is a lot of work. Hold on, Skip, and like I said,

I don't want to get too deep. He just, just signed last year, four years, a hundred million dollars and it seemed like they sided with him over Jordan, with Jordan Poole.

They re-signed, they re-signed Wiggins, they re-signed Poole. They got into that altercation. It seemed like they would never get over that altercation because it became public

and people kept talking about it. Huh, pardon me? That's tough to get over that altercation because it became public and people kept talking about it. Huh, pardon me? That's tough to get over. No, I'm not saying, listen, what I'm saying is this. That's tough to get over, man. I'm not saying, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Skip. I'm not saying it is, I'm not saying it is tough to get over, but they gave away their future that they just gave

$130 million to in exchange for Chris Paul however the trade went for more age on the team. So when you're saying blow the team up, I understand what you're saying, but they just re-signed Wiggins and just re-signed Poole, and that was kind of their youth moving forward. And he just signed an extension four years for $100 million. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just giving you what's going on as far as contracts is concerned. Right now, there are talks that judging,

deciding whether to keep Wiggins or let Kaminga develop to be the small forward. That's a big talk right now. That's a big talk behind the scenes going on with those guys right now. It's like, do we decide if Kaminga's our guy at the small forward or is Wiggins gonna be our guy? I love Wigg. Look.

Are they gonna make the playoffs this year? It's not. I don't think it's that hard for them to make the play-in. I don't see that being hard. I mean, unless they have more injuries, they get some more injuries. They just tough. But right now, they're not that far back from the play-in. I don't see that being hard. Unless they have more injuries, they get some more injuries. They're just tough. But right now, they're not that far back from the play-in

slots. It's not that hard to make the play-in. Let's see. Mark, what do you have to say about it? Yeah, I know you wasn't going to end the show without getting to me. No, no. Maybe I get the OG, man. Come on, man. No, I'll say this. They are not that far from a playing team.

And you have Steph Curry, and you have championship spirit and mentality. They have a chance. What they did with the pool trade for Chris Paul, you talked about they got older. They also got smaller. So they have a problem defending and protecting the rim and don't have the versatility to switch and all of that. And then to touch on the Draymond Green situation. What I don't like is everybody pointing the finger at Draymond Green.

Deservedly so. But there's some accountability across the board with the league, with the referees, with ownership, with coaching, with teammates that all have co-signed. One thing that the legend, my partner, Jeff Angani, always talked about, do not accept in winning what you would not accept in losing. They've tolerated it for years, and it has come back to bite them, unfortunately. Hopefully and prayerfully, Jeremiah Green comes back, and he's healthy and whole and conducting himself in the right manner. He's held himself accountable,

and now we expect to see him back on the court hopefully soon. Thanks, Mark, and thank you, Skip. Skip, Mark, hopefully we're going to check with you. Hopefully you'll be back next week. Mark has a few more episodes with us on This Is What It Is. Also, his new show will be coming out in the next few weeks. Look out for Mark Jackson's. He has his own show coming up.

Skip, let the people know where they can reach out to you, find you, and what you got going on. So if anybody's looking for you, if you want to be found, they know what you got going on real quick. I always want to be found. Always, man. But you can catch me on Instagram. I'm usually in on Instagram.

I'm Rafer724Austin. Sometimes I'm on Facebook. I do a lot of coaching in Houston, coaching the youth kids. AAU ball, 15U. This time I'm going to coach my son's 15U. I hope I don't have to coach my son because he's a starting point guard, freshman on varsity, so I don't think he should be playing in his age group. Mark,

you can text me and tell me what I need to do with my son. You know better. Like I said, when Mark and I was younger, if we was playing varsity, there's no way we were playing in our age group. To me, that's just a step down. But that is my son. What's the name of the team that you're coaching and where y'all

playing at? This year, I'm merging with the team. It's called Kooz Elite out of Houston. I'm going to put them, merge them on there and just, you know, they'll be, they'll actually be on the Puma circuit.

So I guess this year they got four circuits, EYBL, Adidas, SSB, Under Arm in the Puma circuit. He'll be, I let him play in the Puma circuit if he's going to play with me, but if he's not going to play me,

he'll be on somebody's circuit somewhere. So I hope he's on someone else's circuit and not playing with me with the 15s. Cool. Yo, guys, I can't thank you guys enough. I know we stayed on longer

than we usually do, but this was very necessary. I can't thank you enough. Mark, every time we get together, it's been sensational. I look forward to seeing you again next week.

Skip, the door is always open to you, my brother, man. It's been a great trip down memory lane. I love when you come talk your shit, give your opinion on how niggas was talking crazy the last few days, because everybody up here listening purely enjoyed it. And I'm pretty sure that everybody that watched it today

is going to enjoy it. Thank you guys. Queens, New York City, NBA, basketball, royalty, and legends. Thank you for being on the show. And we really appreciate you guys both. Mark Jackson, great for Skip to my Lou Austin. Salute. Yes.

Salute, man. Thank you, y'all. Yes. Skip and Mark, it was a pleasure to have the both of you guys on the show. But that's all the time we have for today. Thanks for watching. And as always, it is what it is.