IT IS WHAT IT IS - Mase & Cam'ron Settle A 20 YEAR Debate + Keeping Integrity Before Entertainment!

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

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lock in your bonus and start playing today with code. It is what it is. I'm Treasor Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your host, Mace and Cam. And today we are joined with our analyst Maurice Claret. Killer was good. Mo, what's going on, man? What's happening, man? I'm waiting on my palm trees, Mace, where they are.

Yeah, see, everybody waiting on Mace for a son. Hey, now, Mo. Mo, you're supposed to send me the address now. Come on, Ma. I know you ain't started. I know you ain't starting to show off like that. Yeah. Let me see the tree again.

Let me see it. Oh. Yeah, a nigga been holding that slot for that Palm Street for like four months now. No, you listen to Killer. I told you send me the address. And I was going to send you the Palm Street, Mo. Yo, what do I got to do with you in the palm tree and this and now?

I don't have nothing to do with that. Listen, to kill, I'm just laughing. Oh, man. I knew the shit wasn't never coming for us. I already do that. Yeah, we should have- It's all they talk about in the comments. Yeah, they keep looking for his tree, man.

Every week. We gotta get you that tree then, most. You say, we. We. You know, it was an ice storm in Atlanta. They got delayed your dream, Marty. Ice storm in Atlanta is what did it. That's why you did.

They got mad palm trees in Atlanta. Yeah. That's the home of the palm trees. That's where they, that's where it's coming from Atlanta. Atlanta palm. Remember he was supposed to be here? It was supposed to be here about Christmas. Yeah, you were supposed to give me the address

more now. That's that's just realistic. You got my address. No, the joke is funny, but you can send me the address. Send it to me now so we can make sure we have it. So then we can do a real countdown for the palm tree. Go ahead and do it right now. I got my phone right now.

Matter of fact, Mo, send me your address. I'm going to send you a palm tree race. Yeah, let's see you. Text me the address. That's the race. I can rely on you. Give me the measurement for the ceiling so I know exactly. I know exactly what size poor is.

No, I'm buying them a baby palm tree, and then the tree going to grow. He gets to decide if you want to keep the palm tree inside or outside. Send me out of the mom. You got the rules and regulations. He said, I'm just going to send it. We'll see which palm tree you get, Maurice. The counter starts now.

So we will be waiting for that for both of y'all. Yeah, I'm still waiting on the address, Mo. See? See how that goes. Okay. Well, Maurice, glad to have you back on the show. We're going to start off by talking about this match this coming weekend. So Shakur and Tiafima will fight this Saturday in New York City for the WBO super lightweight

title fight at the ring six live from Madison Square Garden. Maurice, in your opinion, who has more to lose in this fight? I think Shakur, based on the upside and based on him being a little younger, I don't, I don't, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I assume he's younger, but I think it's Choucour. Everybody's sort of waiting for, I think Choucour's breakout moment. And I think getting this victory over Tia Fimo would probably be bigger for him

than it would be for Tia Fimo to beat him. And I just, I look at this as Javante Davis and what was it, Roach, whatever Roach first name is, and it's no disrespect to him. But I look at it as like a huge puncher who has one style versus somebody who has skill, who isn't scared of another guy. And so I think that it's gonna be an exciting fight.

It's New York versus Jersey. It's in both of their backyards. But at the end of the day, I think Shakur will reign victorious in the fight, just from a skill and technical standpoint. Wow, this is an interesting fight, and that was an interesting take, Mo. I do, while I do think that Shikor has the most to lose, I think this is, this could be a breakout moment for Tia Fimo, because when you got Jersey versus,

Brooklyn. I mean, Newark versus Brooklyn is already a real, a real challenge right there, right? Because everybody is fighting to see whose city is the toughest, who town is the toughest. And when they come to Shakur and Tiafimo, I look at like Chacour is more skilled, but just slightly. I think people make Shakur too much more skilled than Tiafimo. It's not like Tiafimo is a bum. He got punching power. He got speed. He got athleticism. So if there was somebody that could give him problems,

it just depends on what Tia Fimo comes to fight. But I would say this is going to be a hell of a match. I think I think I'm going to go 50-50. I'm not sure who wins this. It depends on which Tia Fimo shows up. I think Shakur should win the fight. Shakur is the more skilled fighter. But if the right Tia Fimo shows up,

this could be a great, great match. Yeah, this is a really good match. I think your assessment is right, Mo. If Chaucour comes to box and not get into Slugfest, I think that he should win the fight. But if you try to do, you know, you made a great reference with Lamont Roach and Pitbull. I thought if Lamont Roach would have fought that fight as a boxer,

he would have won the fight. But I understand where he came from. It was one of them situations where he's like, I try to box and leave it in the judge's hands. And then I don't get the decision that I'm supposed to get. So I want to knock this nigga out. And, you know, that nigga Pit Bull had it, paws is harder than the motherfucker.

He broke his hand, and him in the head. But I think if Shakur, Boxes, he should win. But Mace made a good point, too. Tiafimo, to me, it's not that he can't box. is that he hits so hard. A lot of times, he should have more knockouts, my opinion. People are running from him.

If you think about that fight against Lomacheco, Lomacheco ran the whole fight. And Lohen Checo was supposed to be one of them niggas who was supposed to be pair for pair one of the top fighters at the time. But he was scared in Tiofimo's power. Tio Fimo hits hard. So it's really, really, this fight is intriguing

because we think about a couple fights ago. Pardon me. when Shakur in Newark, and he didn't have a good performance, and they were booing him in his hometown and everything else. And he won the fight, but it wasn't a great performance. Then he had to action-pack performance, his last fight, and it was really exciting, and people wanted to see that, and he finished with a standing ovation,

or not necessarily staying ovation. People were happy to see that Shakur. To me, don't get me wrong, action sells tickets, but to stay undefeated is also important. because you have an O on your record. I don't know. It's a good fight. If I had to pick shit, it's stuff.

I would go with shit. It's two answers. Shakur if he boxes, Tia Femmo if he fights, if Shakur comes to fight. That's my answer. Okay, should be a good one. We will see what happens this weekend. So now we're going to go on to basketball.

So Jason Tatum just recently did a podcast answering some questions. So he spoke about Kobe Bryant. being criticized after his passing, saying, I think it's cowardly, to be honest. They didn't speak about him like this when he was here. Now that Kobe isn't here, we want to bring up the times he wasn't as efficient, or he shot long twos, and now we want to try and shoot more threes. If you ask anybody who played against him, they'll all say he was the best in the league, most terrifying person to guard, and he was the top three most influential players of all time,

like everybody loved and respected, and even people from different sports admired who he was. Now that he's not here, you want to try in erase history. So Maurice, what's your opinion on that? And what do you think about what Jason Tatum had to say? I think he was right. But what I really think he was saying is that you just have too many nerds, giving opinions. And oftentimes when you get in real technical with how you evaluate people,

how you evaluate talent, this is why it's important to kind of respect history and people who have historical opinions. They need to keep their opinions in the mix. to let it be known how we view people in certain times and in certain vacuums. Because once you get into all this analytics stuff, you just take the conversation to wherever your analytics want to support it.

But at the end of the day, Tocobie was great. And it's like anything else, you had to be outside for certain people. You had to watch him win. You had to watch him compete. And it's a whole Jordan conversation where you had to be there to experience who he really was. And if you weren't there,

then you couldn't feel the energy are all, are all the things of why you fell in love with somebody. But that's the same thing with the Kobe Bryant situation. It's nerds giving opinions. And I think even more in this day and age, we need to criticize who's actually given the opinion. And we should say, are you even qualified to speak on what you're speaking on?

And that's probably my biggest great with the internet. It has nothing to do with COVID has more to do with people who are just nobody's giving opinions, but we have to deal with them just because we all deal with the internet. Yeah. I think when it comes to the whole statement, it's really Asson on and think about when you talk about somebody like Kobe Bryant, he's, there's some people you got to leave in a glass case, right? Pause. You really do have to leave Kobe Bryant on a side, like Jordan aside.

When LeBron is done, we'll have to put him aside as well. To say that you're trying to find flaws in Kobe Bryant's game is, is wild to even think about. You know, Kobe has been not just a five-time champion, but like you said, people feared Kobe more than any other player behind Jordan, right? They feared Kobe more than people fear LeBron, right, because of his killer instinct and everything about him. And I wouldn't say that there's certain people that can't talk about people, but I think with this society, people want to be famous and people want to be in the algorithm so much. People just say anything just to put themselves in the stream. So I think when it comes to Kobe, I wouldn't even pay something like this attention. It's almost like somebody just dancing outside the window.

It's like you could pay attention to that if you want. But it just doesn't make any sense. Kobe Bryant is like in a class of his own. If you're going to critique Kobe, you can critique everybody in the league today. Yeah, I ain't really too much to act. I know one thing, Kobe ain't here. Kobe will run down on niggers for talking. Kobe will pull up to your podcast.

It was after basketball too. Yeah. Kobe would pull up right to your podcast and be like, yo, what are you talking about? I remember inside the NBA when they was on T&T, Charles Barkley was talking shit about Kobe. And when they lost the players, he came to the set all week,

and Charles Barkley was his best friend, his whole time. When Kobe pulled up, up on you. You're not just going to say what you want. Kobe would lose his mind in this ever. God bless the day. Not really lose his mind, not in the bad way, but he would be replying to so many people that he'd be like, yo, it's ridiculous. And then sometimes you have these players who had decent games against Kobe. Because listen, these people have decent games against Jordan. But they're taking that as their moment to be like, nigger, I got mine against Kobe. When the man has how long he was in the NBA, 19 years, 20 years,

how long it was. You could take your moment, but it's not equaling out to a Kobe Bryant career. And when you have a Kobe Bryant career like Kobe Bryant, look, I'm gonna take my moment too. Look, let's think about this, right? Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant. And I play with Kobe Bryant one day and I have 32.

I'm gonna hold that. I had 32 on COVID. Don't act like February 9th, nigga, 1999, I didn't do my thing. because that's a moment for them because Kobe is that great. So it is what it is. Kevin's like Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant answers everybody.

He has time for everybody. It doesn't matter basketball, non-basketball, crazy. I don't think Kobe would go that far. But if it was basketball related and Kobe was around, he would definitely pull up on your podcast. I have a general question for y'all because now I'm curious because I'm somebody who's grown up in a social media era. Like I probably had Instagram when I was like 10.

So like I'm just used to kind of, of people vouching, speaking for themselves, saying how they feel to y'all and Maurice is going to let you go first. What is something that you just really don't like or like a major change that you've seen since the world has been so consumed with socials and posting and like saying where they're at or what they're doing? Like what's something that you feel like is just like this used to not happen or you just see and you're like, I do not like this. I was just kind of what I said. Like you had to like you just had to be who you were just in a different time and a different space.

You just couldn't say anything, how people say now. And I'm not speaking from a tough guy standpoint, but your credibility was like who you really were. And like you hung your hat on just who you were, what you did, what you experienced. And you were almost like embarrassed to be fraudulent, like embarrassed not to be exactly who you were, what you talked about.

And just in the social media world that we live in now, it's like it's like fairy tale land. And there is no really structure for just anything. You know what I mean? So you have to deal with crazy opinions, unstructured everything. And it's just like sort of like, I guess it's normal to you, but to somebody, I'm pretty sure Mason Cam, and I see Zika's in the studio, Larry, they know what I'm talking about. If anybody else is in, they don't exactly what I'm talking about. You just actually had to be who you were. But that was what made life cool that the person that they were talking to was actually who they

were. And so in the internet land, that just doesn't exist. Ah, man. This is, This is a good question. This is really a good question because when you think about just what you don't like about the internet, the very thing I don't like about the internet is kind of what people like about the internet, right? Is that when it comes to the internet, the truth doesn't matter, right? The truth doesn't matter.

Perception matters on every angle of the story. So I think that's the thing if there was anything that I hate about the internet. is that the truth is just oblivious to everything else. If this is the best story, whatever the best story is, that's what get pushed. And like most said in the past, people would want to know what was the truth. Right now, it doesn't matter what's the truth.

It matter what gets the most clicks. And now what, and it's really something they taught you in media training that if you go for the lot, there's three stories. that come out after that, right? That's where people get the lie, the truth. I mean, your side, their side, and then the truth. They teach you that immediate training, right? So if you let somebody put a lie out there

and you let the lie stay out there, then you got to answer it. And the moment you answer it, then they get another go at the truth. So that's the thing that I really hate about it, that people don't have to tell the truth. And once a person lying, the stories out there, you can come back and fix the truth,

but it's still the story remains whatever it was the first time. So you got to be the first to speak. First to speak. Yeah. But your son said how you believe anything before the internet. Yeah, he did. He told Killer that. He said, how do y'all believe anything before the internet?

That was a good question. Yeah, so if you're saying you hate the lies on the internet, how do you believe anything before the internet? Maybe because we were there before the internet. He wasn't there before the internet. So he doesn't know. I had to really think about that when he said that the killer. I was thinking his first president was Obama.

His second president was Obama. Now, think as a young black kid and your first 10 years was a black president, and then your second president was Trump. His views got to be different than everybody else. That's a very good point. Yeah. What I hate about the internet? I don't know.

Who know? We could say a name a bunch of little. I think both of y'all said was really good. But to me, I don't really hate it because I use it to my advantage. It's like, if I sit here and be like, yo, look at this doorknob and now I put in the caption, $92,000 door knob from Italy, the only one made.

Niggas gonna go for it. Hey, my motherfucker fucking. if you're going to go for it. If you think I got a $92,000 doorknob from Italy, or anyone make. If niggas want to go for whatever, fine. I get with you and most, what you and they say, I totally agree with what y'all said.

But it's not going backwards. So you got to make what's going on. It's not going back. So you got instead of complaining, you might as well figure out exactly what's going on and how to compete in this shit, because it's not going backwards. going backwards. So I could like you said, we could say a name 100 different things.

Yeah. But I just use it to my advantage. I look, if I could feed off your stupidity. It's just, you can give you some valuable information. Yeah, that's true. It weighs out. You can use it either way, you're right. Exactly. So. That's what stat said. Remember you said that stat, I think it was two years ago. You said, if you can get away with it. Yeah, I mean, people's stupidity pays, unfortunately. So it's like, if you leverage it to your advantage,

yeah, yeah. You're gonna benefit. I ain't gonna lie to you though. I'm gonna lie to you. My birthday's coming up. I made up my mind. I'm gonna follow some things that I follow now. That's just in my stupidity.

There's too much shit. I'm like, I said this to myself, I'm too old to be following this nonsense that's going on. Some of this stuff, when my birthday hit, I'm following it. So I'm not going to be in a loop with a lot of bullshit that's going on. I'm going to start following more mature things because I definitely follow a lot of nonsense that I don't be needing to be following.

I took this to myself last week. So I got about two more weeks, maybe a week left before I'm going to be out the loop with a lot of shit. You might have to put a list of some of the ones that you get them follow. That's really good. You should do a poll. Paul, you should do a poll. Who should I unfollow?

Yeah, yeah. Or a birthday come around and let the people say it so they don't get mad with you. Because you know in this generation, niggas get mad when you unfollow them. Oh, hell yeah. They'll get real mad, the whole attitude about the shit, definitely. So, but the thing about it is, you know,

the great thing about it is I really don't care. That's what matters, man. That's what made me not get on the internet as much. I'm glad you told me this, because the nigger would be like, yo, you know, You don't follow me? I'm like, I don't even know what the internet is about, bro. I didn't even have, niggins.

You are not lying. Niggas get a whole attitude about, I have friends that been, I've been around them when somebody else follows them. And my, motherfucker, I'm like, motherfucker, I'm following me? Okay, cool. You fuck that, watch. Watch. Watch.

Like, what happened? Yeah, what happened? Yo, there's people who asked me that's friends of mine. This worked everything I love. Friends of mine be like, can't follow me, follow me, follow me, so I know they pays them. Pardon me. I'm like, wow.

Nah, you, my man. I'm like, yo, but you're not interesting. I don't get. Yo. You. That's, though. It's like, well, people will be wanting to follow them so they could show up with people like, look who's following me.

This person's following me. But you're not interesting. And that's another people I'm going to unfollow. Friends are not friends, colleagues, If you're not interested, I can't have you on my feed because you're boring. That'll mean we're not best of friends. That don't mean you're not cool.

That'll mean you can't call me directly. But social media is mad boring. Like, it's a waste to follow when I can, especially when you call me direct. You call me direct. It's cool. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, it's a waste. That's super irritating to me.

If somebody called me and they're like, yo, I just DM'd you. I'm like, bro, you're just on the phone. with me. Like, why do I got to go all the way to Instagram to see what you would say? You could have just texted to me. So what's the difference? Can you explain that to me? Well, I think that my generation takes it more to heart because it's like, dang, if we're friends, why can't you follow me? But to your thing, it's like, it don't matter because you got my number. And to your point, it's like, you're boring. So it's like,

yeah, listen, it's a bunch of people like don't know. that's interesting. Yeah. I'm like, this person's interesting. I follow like, man, I follow, I think it's Terry Tak Tammy. They like 60 years old dancing a mad rap songs. They know the lyrics, all that shit. They're interesting.

I follow them. Some people only want to post when they're on vacation. Yeah. And only want to post when their events. And I'm like, y'all know you're capping on each of your life. Post the other 62 days in between. In between when you got to do. Yeah, when nothing was going on.

Fam, it's a girl I follow on Instagram. I love her page. She might be my favorite page because she's taking you every week with her to welfare. She arguing with them in welfare. They got her check. They're walking on them. Then she's mad when she's going to supermarket, and she got to swipe her own food now.

Nobody's there to register. She went in there to pour some milk. Milk is chunky as shit. She's no furniture. She ain't capped it. This is her life. See, because everybody on Instagram has a great life. She's like, man, I'm not gonna say and act

like my life is great for you. And people send them money and everything. She probably can live a better life because she's been doing this for like three, four years. But this was working for us. She probably had to go from me, probably going crazy. See, I know your feed is probably crazy. You probably scroll and see so many different things.

Yeah, that's what I'm gonna clean my shit up. You gotta take a cleanse. I was screaming. Well, I can't wait to see some of the accounts that you unfollowed. Okay, moving along. So Austin Rivers criticized Rich Paul hosting a public podcast and openly discussing player transactions. This sparked after Paul suggested the Lakers trade Austin Reeves for Jaron Jackson Jr.

So he said, he's got to stop. Why do you have a podcast anyway? I got nothing against Rich. You're just not a player. I don't know any other agents sitting on the mic talking plus everything you say is going to be a representation of LeBron, even if he doesn't feel that way. Now you got LeBron saying Ridge Paul has his own opinion. I don't affiliate with that. That shouldn't even have to be a conversation.

It's weird. You're an agent. So then that's the gist of what he said he's going off just a little bit more. But Maurice, what's your opinion on what Austin Rivers have to say? And do you agree or you feel like it's a new era? People are on social media. This is kind of part of what is supposed to be done. No, I think Austin Reeves is actually a dork.

And it goes back to what I was saying when you have to look up to see who's giving an opinion about something. And when I just kind of looked up off the reason, and mind you, this whole opinion is bias. Me and Rich go back 25, 30 years or whatever it is. And I seen him when Rich, I sing one Mavreve, I seen when LeBron and all these guys came into the league, I understand where he's from in Cleveland.

And so my entire opinion is bias, let me say that. But when I seen that Austin Burrers was giving us opinion and sort of like acting like the white lady who had told LeBron to shut up and dribble, I think like Austin Rivers comes from that cloth where you feel like you can tell somebody what it is they should and shouldn't be doing. And when you look at Rich and where they started from, I can only think about when I remember the first time that Rich and Math had met Field Knight. And it was a game that we were at in Cleveland. They were playing. I don't know who they were playing, but it was, and this ain't just name dropping, but it was King Griffey Jr., Field Knight, Jay Z that came, and Steve Stouta came.

And this was the first time that Mav and Rich, they were just happy to even meet Phil night. Mav coming from inner city, Akron, Rich coming from inner city Cleveland, just to see people in that situation from that opportunity to then go and build and do all of this shit. I'm happy.

Like, when I spoke to Rich last week, I was like, yo, bro, you're going to attract to a billion dollars while your man and tracked his billion dollars. And it's cool to see that you're giving information where kids would never have the ability to have this information. platform. You have so many stories of agents who end up taking advantage of players, but you can have somebody who's relatable, who comes from where you come from, who can give you just a

perspective that you would never get before. I think, like, people are actually looking at the wrong. And I just think that he gets a lot of, like, solidly jealousy, because the dude make $40, $50 million a year. He's about 42, 43 years old. He's going to continue to make it. So I think that there's a jealousy portion of that that comes from these players, and dudes don't know how to say that and so um i know i said a whole lot because i wanted to say a whole lot but rich my man uh dude is a as a dork and anybody who kind of sides it that way of thinking as to what somebody could should or shouldn't do i kind of put them in that box and so that's my take on it uh sorry for being long-winded yeah yeah that's that was a great point um when it come

to rich paul i think um he's very very reputable very intelligent um not just um a real good friend of this show, good friends of Cam, you know, I know him, you got good friend of most. And I would say he's very integral. So I wouldn't think that he would be the guy that gets on any podcast and say something that's untrue or rage bait or any of those things that you could think of. But I want to take another turn. When every time I speak, it's not that I don't know the information. I think my portion to contribute to the show is to be very objective. And I think we get to this place where, like you're saying, Mo, there's people that we agree with and there's people we don't agree with

just because of the nature of our relationships. And not just in this Rich Paul situation, but every situation, if we like somebody, then we can see the good in what they're doing. And that's just life. If you don't like somebody, you're more likely to see the wrong in what they're doing. And I want to look at another portion of this conversation that we got to think about. And that's that we are in a time where things should be separate, right?

There's people, there's a lot of things that people do in life that we all, if we would have a real deep conversation, say, nah, he shouldn't be doing that. Or this person because of this status, they shouldn't be doing that. I mean, people told me that my whole life. Like, yo, you can't do this and this, or you can't be here and there. You can't have this at the same. time you have that. So which one is it? I'm kind of lost in the conversation. That would be a real

good conversation. What can you do now that you're an agent, now that you're a GM, or what can you do now that you say you're a basketball player? Because sometimes we get upset that basketball players are having podcasts. And as long as you're doing it well, it seems like people will allow you to do it. But the moment you stop doing the main thing correctly, that's when people should have a problem with it. But that's a conversation I really would love to ask you guys. After Cam's take, I didn't want to line step because Cam always think I'm line stepping them. So after we have that, I would love to see what, put the camera on them so you can see what I'm plotting on line step. That's what I'm doing with.

This is crazy. You go before me every. take, so I always use line stuff because I said me patiently waiting for everybody to go. I think what you said, Mason, is a great point. People try to put you, like, you can do this or can't do that. If you're doing it all well, you can't complain. That's my opinion. Once you stop doing what you do well, then they're going to complain. Like, same thing will be like, make the main thing, the main thing.

Now, if Paul George, right, let's just use Paul George. If he was averaging 33 points, seven assists and six rebounds in Philadelphia is winning, and he was podcasting three, four times a week, you wouldn't complain. Yeah. But if he's winning, because he's not winning, he wasn't playing, you're going to have a problem doing this. I'm probably with him podcasting, so to speak. People got a problem right now with Tom Brady. Yeah.

Yeah. Tom Brady's the owner of the Raiders. Yes. but he's broadcasting every weekend for Fox, I believe, if it's not Fox or C's Fox. Yeah. Yeah.

So I don't know of you people notice. When you broadcast for the game, before the game, you talk to both teams and you get insight from both teams on how they practice during the week or what players are injured

or what plays they're going to run so that when you're announcing the game, you're more knowledgeable to the fan this watching the game. Yes. But if you're giving Tom Brady this information and he's an owner of a team, how much of that information can he take

as a broadcaster and now save the information and use it as an owner? They had a problem with him because he had the headphones on and was up in the Raiders Skybox one day against a team. Brady's playing against a team that he interviewed a couple weeks before. What can you do?

What can't you do? If you can do it, and get paid, then you can do it and get paid. But at the end of the day, when it comes, you know, I was just, you know, going back to what you say, what you can and cannot do. Jay-Z, he owned the Brooklyn Nets, but you can't own the team, even on a small percentage,

you can't own the team and have a sports agency. So you have to let the team go. You know, if you, if niggas find loopholes, they're gonna find loopholes to do whatever they want to do. Now back to the situation where, Austin Reeves and Rich Paul. I didn't even talk about that situation, whatever. It just to me, Austin Reese comes off

as a bitter former basketball player, right? Like he's bitter about everything. His career didn't go the way I think he wanted to go. I thought he was a decent role player throughout his career, but he just comes off so bitter and angry, not just with Rich Paul, just anything, he's always angry, like, yo, bro, what you mad about?

You grew up in a good household. You had a bubble, you had an NBA father. You had a very decent career. I know it might not have lasted as long as you wanted to, but you seem bitter. You seem very bitter, man. That's all I really have to say about the situation, because I took my time up talking about other things.

But as far as this situation, it's not too much. He just comes off bitter about anything he's talking about. Doesn't matter what it is. Yeah, so you made the difference between Jay-Z and what he had to separate in order to be a, agent or agency. And is there really, should everything really be separate? Maurice, what do you think?

In the context of this, I don't think that this should be separate. When I look at this thing, like outside of my personal feelings for Austin Reed, just talking crazy about Rich, the real issue that I have with it is that we can't complain that black people don't sit in authoritative roles and black people can't be owners and they sit in these situations to progress. just how people view us, how they look at us, and just how we can operate, versus how agents and agencies

and all of these management companies used to operate before, we can't have people sitting right there and criticize it, right? So, I don't know, I think we're in uncharted territory. Like, I don't know what's right and what's wrong, but I'm definitely not about to say what he's doing is wrong just because I've never seen it. And I don't think it's a conflict

as a venture. I think that anybody, like people criticize, just because they've never seen it before, they'll criticize, you and say it's wrong versus, okay, what is he doing? And they're sourcing the facts and say, okay, is it a conflict of interest, it's not, right? But just because you, just because other agencies operated

the way that they did doesn't mean the way that Rich Paul is doing this wrong. And I think he is right. You'll have other people following suit and this will be a way to market, or this may be the way to interview. You're like, one thing I wanted to say before, this was about, think about this.

You have kids who will play their whole life. They'll come up in inner city New York, inner city, Chicago, inner city, LA. and they'll work their ass off to get to a point, and they interview an agent literally for about two or three months. And then you've worked your ass off your entire life. You meet a man for two or three months. You really don't know who he is.

You really don't know who to ask. Your mother, your father, your aunt, your uncle, nobody even knows what the ax? You've just been past this person. Who's to say that a mother, uncle, a father sits down and see Rich Paul and say, okay, maybe I should ask this person this, or maybe I should ask this person this,

or maybe I can call clutch up to see, if they're a good fit for my son, like that whole agency thing has been controlled. And I'm not racist by any points, but it's controlled by white men who literally passed one athlete in the resume that they have to the next person, right? And I think that he gets criticism because we're just like, I just keep on sentence, you're not used to seeing black people in charge. So anytime you see black people in charge, they become more critical of anything that black people do. That's my opinion.

That's a good point. That's a good point. I'm really just solely thinking this over in my brain because that's something like me as a person. I definitely struggle with that. If there was a struggle to have, it's like you have gifts and you have talents that sometimes those two talents don't go together.

But they, to some people, but you just, you just were given more talents than other people. And I think as a person, you have to be faithful over both of everything that you've been given. Like me, I feel like I got a good life, but I feel like I only use 30% of my real life. I think I got like 70 or 75% of a whole other ability. And it's sometimes really, really thought-provoking when I hear people say stuff like this. Because sometimes I think if I had a hell of a life and I only use 30% of it,

I'm only really using 30% of my brain and people like what I've been able to accomplish. Yeah. I'm doing what the fuck I can do until they tell me I can't do it. That's just that. Like, yeah, you can't tell me I can't do this and I think I can. You know what I'm saying? Like we're talking about Jay-Z with the sports agency. The only reason he's not an owner and an agent is because it's against the rules.

If it's not against the rules that he could do both, he would have did both. It's the same thing like this show. If I would have went to niggas and say, yo, me and murder are going to do a sports show. Niggas would have laughed at me. You know what I'm saying? Because they want to put you in a box as a rapper. So if you sit there and say you're going to do a sports show

and then look how it changed the landscape of media, period, especially sports media, this show. So what I'm trying to say is, you're not ever going to tell me I can't do nothing and I'm not going to care unless it's, unless it's, It's damaging my credibility and the main thing that I'm getting money for, or it just doesn't look good. But for me not to try it, come on, man.

I should say that place to me, just me. I'm going to do everything I possibly can. I'm going to use 100%. I'm not going to use 1030. I'm going to be a 30. I'm going to eat. I know murder or cruise control. I'm going to give him a state.

I'm going to give you a lot. I'm going to give you. 100% man. Yeah, I remember killer. Killer was listening to a record. He said, you're murder, we gotta put this out. I said, Killer, I did that last time. The church ladies killed me over this, right?

And we were just laughing about it. Because it does. Like, sometimes you have things that you're doing, like Killer said, that damages the credibility of another thing. But we could say this in this situation. But when you got Paul, George getting 39. I mean, when they're winning by 17 points and he got 30-something points,

and he won a podcast, he should be able to podcast because it's not taken away from this thing. Like we said, some people just got more, they've been granted more talents than others, and they should be able to do that. So I appreciate that. Yeah, I just want to add my two cents. It's a lot because the world is just evolving so much so people have this expectation that things are supposed to be done a certain way. And it's, I mean, in Rich Paul's case, it's like, I always think it's better to be ahead of the curb than waiting till everybody else starts doing that.

So like, really in this sense, he's seen as a pioneer because it's just not what people are used to. And of course, it's like a new thing too. So it's like deciding how much you wanna say, what you feel like you're allowed to say, but also to Cam's point, it's like, if nobody's telling you can't say certain things, by then you are allowed to kind of share what you feel is right

or you feel is knowledgeable to other people or whatever you think might be helping others in that sense. So I just think it's one of those things that people aren't used to. And of course, just with Austin Rivers and even his delivery, because I didn't read this part of the quote, even though I read most of it, but he said,

you're supposed to be in the background running all the other stuff. Like when you make statements like that for somebody that is highly successful, it's like, we then want to discredit everything that you said because you're not even handling the situation with any sort of light. Like you're dish, you're dishing out this is to something that you are still figuring out too.

That should be a new term. A Y-O-N. Yeah, a young old nigger. A young. Like, he's... Yeah, they need a turn. Because literally, right. He's young, but his brain is still in the path.

Yeah, so it's just a lot, like, exactly to your point, a while I went, because that's what it's coming across of. That's how it's feeling. So just all those unnecessary comments, it's just like, you could disagree with something, but also go about it a certain way. That's my opinion. But before we go to break, I do want to go back to what you said really, Because you did say there's like a 70% that you feel like you're not using.

What makes you feel like you should preserve that rather than your fool? Killer hit it on the head. Pause. When he talked about like when it, when it challenges the integrity of it. And that's the conversation that I was really alluding to. When it, when it challenges the integrity of it, that's when it has to be in reserve. Like me, for instance, if there's a. certain like i do this podcast i do this show um like killer is is like one of the like really special

people to me um but i do stuff outside of this that doesn't that doesn't go with this but it it can go if if your brain is open to it but then there's 70 percent of some other stuff that i could have the potential of doing but when it clashes when when it clashes for the people you're supposed to be helping. That's when it damages the integrity. So in this case with Rich Paul, if it doesn't damage the athletes, he could do it.

When it gets to the point where the athletes are feeling like, well, wait a minute, you're using this to go against something that you're supposed to be working on for me. That's when there's a problem. So if I have, you know, a whole number world of people in this direction and they're like, you know what? I think it doesn't bother me that you do those things, then I'm, I am more freer to do those things.

Because I made a commitment to do this, so then I should value that. If I'm not, it's like having a wife, right? If your wife say you could have that, then you pretty much could have that. And that's like an opening this statement. Yeah. Yeah, I was just saying that's a really good breakdown because it's like, you know you're creative, you know you like multiple things, and you can kind of have your foot in different things because you're multi-talented and multi-hyphenate.

Like you like multiple things. But it's also just trying to make sure, you know that you're dotting your eyes, crossing your teeth to make sure you're not stepping into other pools while you're filling up each one individually. Yeah, that makes sense. Like sometime, let's say if I was in a church setting, right, there'll be people that go to church that feel like you can do that.

Then there was a group that feels like you can't do that. Right. So you got, you're trying to navigate. really like three different worlds. You got a family world, you got an entertainment world, then you got a spiritual world. These are like three worlds. So my brain is constantly moving, trying to figure out,

okay, how do I effectively do what I'm really committed to? And these other things are just entities that I could live from, but they can never compromise these things, right? But then you'll have people that go to the church. Like, that's young people that's like, they want to hear you express yourself creatively. But then you have the traditional people that will say, wait a minute, you got to pick one.

Right. Right. But realistically, to be honest with you, you're gifted at all those things. And anytime you try to be just one of them, you're lying. Yeah. Because all of those gifts were gifts that you were given. And if you try to take one and just say, I'm only going to be a church person

know I'm only going to be a musician or I'm only going to be just a husband yeah then you're really lying to the other two all the time yeah right so even me let me ask the question yes go ahead so do you believe you actually suppress your development doing that um I think I think gifts can be so individual yeah you yeah people are doing that to you they're definitely they're not just just suppressing you, you would be suppressing yourself. They will be oppressing you.

Because they will be keeping you down because they weren't given that other 70%. So they're basically saying, since you're out of the box, because realistically, a killer give me a script. I could do this script. I could be an actor. I could be all of those things. But, and that may sound really arrogant, but just think about that. Sometimes I sit down and really think,

If I've been able to achieve what everybody else been able to achieve with only 30% of my brain. Yeah. Like, I only come out the house for about two, three hours. Yeah. And I get to do what they've done what they hold 24 hours. Yeah. So I probably asked the question wrong. But what I was saying was that do you suppress Mace's development yourself by having to think too much and navigate those spaces?

and sort of suppress something that could be helpful to you to somebody else, right? I definitely agree with you. Like, I do things in multiple industries because they all make sense to me. So if you're seeing just the industries and business that I'm in, you'll say, okay, he's about in like five or six different industries, but they all make sense to me because they're all part of me, but me being able to explore them, make money in them, and develop them, it kind of helps myself and everybody else who's connecting. to me. So I was asking you, like, you know, and the first thing I thought I was like, you know,

is that the reason that he doesn't put music out because it may be viewed or maybe a conflict of with people who he lead in the church? You know what I'm saying? I started to think about more as you were talking to stat. Yeah, a lot of, a lot of that makes sense. We're going to have to go to break or we'll end up in a yeah. A whole dozy. But one thing I will add though, which is really dope. And I just think that was like a good discussion in general is like, I I know you said you're still keeping 70%, but also the fact that you've been able to do so much in so many different areas is something that people,

like, are just waiting to do, you know what I'm saying? So I think that that speaks volumes and is also just a good, like, representation that like you can do other things. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what makes it a sacrifice, I guess. Yeah, no, it does.

Literally does. So that's super dope to hear. But y'all, we're going to go to break. We return. We will discuss Bill Belichick. Are they doing him dirty? Don't go anywhere. She called his thing about toxic.

Four years and counting. Got you feeling like an option. Maybe I'm my own problem, baby. She's tired of hearing, I don't know. My seven and me won't fall, oh, oh, trust. But she really thinking about one of me. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day.

So tonight, the Spurs will play the Rockets. Underdog has Kevin Durant at 24 and a half points. Do you have them higher or lower at Mace? You know, I'm going higher. I got to go higher. We're playing, we're playing really good, you know? I'm really excited about our season. I'm going low.

Okay. Sangoon is at 33.5. points, rebounds, and assist. Do you have higher lower, Cam? Hi. I'm going high. Okay, and Wembe is at 22 and a half points. Do you have them higher or lower, Mace? Mm, I got to go higher. I got to go high. Hi. Okay, make sure you all down the underdog app and you can make your picks too. So on to Bill Belichick. So the eight time Super Bowl winning coach is not a first ballot hall of famers. So in voting earlier this month, Belichick fell short of the 40 out of 50 votes needed for induction to the pro football

Hall of Fame during his first year of eligibility. Internet got a lot to say, but we want to know what y'all got to say. Maurice, why do you think that is? I wouldn't 100% I still wouldn't be involved. Like, that's just a type of person I am. Once you snubbed me and you're trying to play around with me and make me the butt of the joke, I just remove myself from the situation. And I just say, hey, man, I don't need y'all validation.

our validation. I don't need your credibility. And just who I am, I wouldn't want to walk on a stage after you carry me that way and shake your hand and act like everything all good. That's just me. I hold on to grudges. I probably shouldn't, but I hold on to stuff like that. And I just be like, no, I'm cool. You know, you can't carry me like that. Yeah, I think, I think, I'm glad I muted your mic there,

you know, I did you a favor. So your palm tree is still is still coming, pause. But think about this. I want to take the other approach on this. This is what I mean, the other 70% of my brain, right? When I heard that, I didn't hear the fact that they were hating on them. I looked at it like this. This is one of those situations where you've been phenomenal in the past, but I remember what you've done lately, right?

So lately I've seen this little girl look like she's running your life. She's on the side of the road. She's on the side of the sideline. She does all of these crazy things. Got you looking crazy. You're running out of the place, which is shirt off in the apartment complex. And these things lately can erase your legacy. How many times we've seen somebody done great things in the past,

but they do something as a recent that make us forget who they really used to be? And I think this is one of those cases, because if you go to his stats and everything he's done and all the championships that they won in the Patriot Way, right, he's a part of the Patriot Way. So if you look at him as a part of the architect of the Patriot Way, there's no way he's not first ballot Hall of Fame. But that's not what they're remembering, Mo. they're remembering the debacle that's taking place right here in North Carolina in real time

and that's the reason why he wasn't in First Ballet Hall of Fame what do you guys say about that, Killer? I was going to say the same thing there's no reason for him not to be First Ballet Hall of Fame same thing like Cyril Owens there's no reason for him

that had wait so long to get put into the Hall of Fame I was going to say the same thing they watched him run around with this bitch this bitch running his life They don't like it. They like, this ain't the Bill Belichick that I know. Because Bill was real arrogant. You know, I don't know what arrogant.

He was short. He does interviews, one-word answers. Yes, no, maybe we lost, shit like that. Now you got a chick on the sideline just running down at halftime telling you what to do. It's like, it's like, I don't even know what it's like, but it's not the Bill Belichick that we've known in previous years that have been to,

nine Super Bowls or seven Super Bowls or eight Super, whatever, how many Super Bowls he went to, he won six. But it's not the Bill Belichick that we're used to. And I totally agree what Mace 100% of this is why he's not first ballot. It can be, it can be football related. It can't be. For it to be 40 out of 50, he said no, you said? Yeah, no.

Yeah, he fell short of the 40. Yeah, which is crazy. 40 out of 50, said no. He fell short of the 40 out of 50. He couldn't get 40 out of the 50. Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy. Wait, so like-

I think it might be a mix of what you said Moe and and what makes it. It might be, you're acting crazy now, look at you. It's a case of both to be told, y'all, that's what you. I just have another question for all y'all, because I think we're all in agreeance, like, he, like, this is, this is crazy. And I know you guys bring up the girl, but like, how could that have that much impact? And maybe I'm just like not getting it, but maybe y'all can,

make it make sense to me. Who's voting? That's what you have to look at. Who's voting? It's not ladies voting. It's not Gen Z voting. I doubt it's a 22-year-old voting. I doubt it's anybody our age voting.

They're probably all older than us voting. So this is probably why it's like that. Like you watch Family Feud, right? You sit there and watch Family Feud. and because I'm a big, I watch a lot of family few. And they say, we asked 100 people this question. Who's the 100 people? It depends on which hundred people you act.

You ever see an answer up there and you'd be like, yo, who would say that? Where are you asking them? What people are you asking this? Which hundred people are you asking? That matters. Yeah. So that's how I look at it.

Who's voting? It depends on who's that. So, yeah, I had to search that up Because I'm like it says it's entirely controlled by can selection committee of 50 person panel of media members all selected by the halls board of directors and appointed to two years year terms. So media members.

And who are those media members? Which are people that somebody selected. That is just I don't know they got messed up. They need to just say. So that mean what you said killer was right because the people that that they selected, were the people he was given the short answers to. Yeah.

That's crazy. They need to get it right. I just feel like that's wrong. But hopefully they figure it out because now it's like what, how can you trust the voting process? Like with something like this and him being out of the conversation. I don't know. The whole thing's crazy to me, but hopefully they figure it out because I just feel like that's crazy.

Okay, so moving along, we saw how Taylor Swift had a big story when she started dating. creating Travis Kelsey and media members, making that a big topic of discussion for Chiefs Gameplay, Travis Kelsey's bad games or good games, whatever that might be. I feel like you guys can say the energy is different towards Cardi B and Stefan Digg. So Maris, why do you think that is? I want to say shout out to the Patriots PR team, but they ain't want to do nothing with the boats down in Miami and wherever they was at. They ain't going to deal with all the fiasco, with the babies by offset, and all this other stuff that they knew what it came out with it. And so they just stayed away from that whole story. And, you know, Robert Kraft, he's smart.

He's been down this road before. They said, let's keep the main thing, the main thing. And the main thing is football and, you know, keep your relationship on the internet. I don't think it's nothing personal towards Cardi. But I think when you're trying to go on a championship, you just don't want that distraction or that energy in your locker room, your stadium or any of that. I think, you know, the stuff with Taylor Swift was a little bit different. Her and Travis Kelsey, the All-American White couple, that's different. I think once you get over here, when you start just dealing with this whole thing that Cardi B

and the Stefan Dig got going on, and I followed on the Internet, that's some of the stuff I follow, you know, I mean. But once you get into that little rabbit hole, that turns into something else. I don't think the Ravens, not the Ravens, the Patriots won that in a lot of room. Yeah, I mean, you got to, you got to, you got to, you got to, look at this situation and say it's just, it's not as clean, that's why they didn't do it. What else? You know, people like to say, oh, this is a black or white thing.

This is really not a black or white thing. This is like on one side, you got marriage, on one side, you could be the, I don't know how many baby mothers there are, but. They're not married. Who? Travis Kelsey and. Oh, they're not?

No. They engaged? Yeah, engaged. They got engaged during, the time that he played on, on Kansas City. Oh yeah, so then they're looking at it like, okay, this one is cleaner. That's basically what they're trying to say.

This one is cleaner, this one is not. This one is white, this one is black. This one is, seem to be monogamy. This one is like three or four baby mothers. This is like, this is not gonna help us. that's basically what they're saying you know sometimes people think i make the takes too simple but life is really simple if you got a clear a clear view of what's going on why why would you put that up there why would you put offset in and cardi b and and stephan diggs in the media for

your franchise that's a debacle waiting to happen that's what i would think but i think I think Stefan Diggs is a phenomenal talent. I think Cardi B is a phenomenal talent. I think Offset is a phenomenal talent. But we're talking about football, I wouldn't go with that story. I just wouldn't. Black people handle things different than white people.

Taylor Swift is up in the box. Cardi B's on the field. Yeah. You know, I want to be on the field. That's how black people is. In Spanish, of course. Taylor Black, you got to think about this. I didn't see how it played out.

But I've seen an interview. If Cardi B is on the field when all the players are leaving or going in the locker room after they win, if I'm a news reporter or I'm going to run and get that because you don't know what she's liable to say. She'll say anything. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

I'm going to get that interview if I'm a reporter. I wish I would run over there with a microphone and get that. That's about placement. You get what I'm saying? Yo, we don't need you on the field. We need you up in the sky because they're going to harass them. I don't know if they're going to arrive at.

Tell us Swift on the field or any of these games we talk about. Just show in the Skybox. But at the same time, it's different cultures. You know, like you say, you could say black, white, black or whatever. It's culture as well. Yeah. It's culture. You know what I'm saying?

So I just think Cardi B being on the field, if she's ever on the field, they're going to run up to her with a microphone. That's just the way it goes. To me, I just want to give, the biggest story to me than all this is, is to shout the stuff on Dix, because, you know, him leaving teams and then it didn't work out in Texans, and they wasn't sure if he's going to go to Patriots and do well. And, you know, not just Texans in Buffalo. It's like, yo, what you're going to do without Josh Allen?

And for him to be in this situation right now with the Patriots going to Super Bowl, I just want to give him congratulations. But bigger the congratulations than make the Super Bowl is having your chicks under control. is that I love that. I'm disappointed about it for myself, actually. Like, everybody's getting along. It's babies coming after babies all in the same year. And nobody's mad.

Cardi's even welcoming it. Cardi's like, yo, are we gonna have another one on the wake? I told one of my chicks that the other day, like, yo, if Cardi B can handle it, who are you to be, who are you to be questioned with me about somebody else? If Cardi B is accepted enough of three, four children on the way, the fact that he has this organized and has this all situation, that's the bigger price.

And that's what they don't want to promote. Yeah. They ain't on the flare. Yeah, man, exactly. I'm more in awe of that. No, but if Cardi B is good enough, Cardi B, none of y'all say nothing to me. It's not even about babies being on the way. There is several babies before,

and everybody's on the same page. Salute to you, my nigger. Like, you got that pink damn pat. Boy, I thought I'm not there. I'm not with babies rolling out. But I'm trying to get everybody to work together and be on the same page. I think of happen.

No, I'm not going to lie. If you're promoting to black people, then that would be a good, that would be a good story. Not multiple babies, but Cardi being Stefan Diggs would be popular in that culture. But when you had an organization that has somebody on a more serious note that have done what Aaron Hernandez is done,

they can't afford to put any of those stories out there because the franchise is already plagued by history, you know. So I think that's why they don't do it. This is 100% correct for the Patriots, but already be on the field of, they don't gotta be the Patriots. Yeah. It's a whole world of media people out there

is gonna promote it. Of course, the Patriots not gonna promote it, but you can't stop the media. She in front of a microphone talking, and I don't think it's about black people. It's polyamorous all over. If more white people, poly than black people, my personal opinion, especially in your time.

In the Mormons, I was about to say that. So you're like promote the black people. I don't think it's a black thing. I think black people are catching on. Later, I think it's more white than black people living like that. My personal opinion, you know, it's all over, but Stefan Diggs is figuring it out. He's laying out the blueprint for us. I'm saying.

He's dead serious. See what I mean? This is killer using the other 70%. You, listen, listen, let me tell you something like, because you're struggling with your 30 percent. I know he was going to get it. That's why I got ahead of it. You keep talking about something.

If you're struggling because you're mad, talented, and you holding it inside, because you don't want because you're allowed, you're 17% of your talent, and you got to explain like that. I feel you, I get it. I understand it. You're going to 70% of the death for the next week. Let that shit out.

You're talking to understand. You're all more talented, man. This is what I'm trying to say. I keep a murder coming from. I don't know if you're going to cut this out the show. But listen, everybody, you are actor. You can still be the person you are and be like, I want to play this role.

I'm going to be in a movie, yo, I'm a villain. I'm a murderer. I'm a psychopath. It's a movie. movie. But because it be music, people damn play that shit like, you're pitching, you're pitching evil into the world. You're doing this. You're doing that. And I don't have to talk about you. I'm just talking about people. But Stephen King, Stefan King, do it all the way, all year. 70 years writing about murder, writing about people getting killed, writing about people

who wrote John Wick? John Wick could go out here and kill 72 niggas in one movie, in one hour. And come back and be in a love story. Exactly. The whole One thing for me is to me, my personal opinion is that rap is harder than the movies, because you have to make a story rhyme. You have to make that shit rhyme. That shit is a talent, you know? That shit is a gift that everybody can't do. Make a story rhyme or make it make sense or make people dance or make people move and so on and

so forth. But we get so much discredit because, oh, we're evil or we're pitching this to the youth or this down and the third. But about rock and roll. What about movie writers? What about all that other stuff? If it's black is wrong, well, if it's white, it's all right. This is back to Travis Kelsey and Cardi B.

same shit, my opinion. Well, Murdo, I'll just say, no, that's good. I know you're all in the 70s. No, no, that's really good, because, Cam, you're the person said I couldn't do it first, right, Zee? What? What? He did a person.

Killer was the person 20 years ago, said I couldn't rap and preach. So this is a good conversation. Yeah, so bring it back. Yeah, so bring it back. Let's talk now. Yeah, so. Yeah, so.

Yeah, absolutely. All right, let's go then. Oh, hell. All right, let's go then. Oh, hell. Yeah. You like that, see? You like that, see?

That boy, that boy, ain't quick on his feet. That boy ain't quick on his feet, killer. I'm gonna tell you a story. I don't know we keep in this either. I'm gonna tell you real. No, we keeping it. It's a real conversation. People like real conversation.

I never cut nothing out the show. I'm just saying murder, we first started doing this show. Murder, I'm not going to say a person's name. Murder, murder saw me, you know, this person said, I need to watch what I say on the show, man. This is that and the third. And I'm like, yeah, I respect the murder. You understand you have your life, what you're supposed to do.

Personal life. You gotta be careful. I get it. The same nigga who told them that DM me and said, yo, I got that paper for y'all nigger's show. If y'all trying to get the money. trying to get the money. Y'all looking for sponsorship and trying to figure out

where the sponsorship going. But that's what I'm trying to tell you. He'll tell murder. You better be careful up there, but tell me, yo, we can bust this money down if y'all keep it up. Which one is it? This is what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying this person went against his beliefs,

but why you ain't just tell murder, you got the brain? You ain't have to call me about it. You could have told him. Y'all speak anyway. Yeah. That's why I said this is a real good conversation, Because when you have these open conversations, people can really gain knowledge and we can get to the 70% when that happens. But when people do what he was doing, that's what holds people back because you really don't believe that.

You're just trying to suppress somebody else and keep them from doing what they should do. This is a great discussion, and we will see what happens first if you start using that 70% or if Maurice skits the palm tree. Y'all. But that is all the time that we have for today. I'm glad you. You know, just little things. Marish, you know it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. Always.

You see you, Mo. Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.