IT IS WHAT IT IS - MAURICE CLARETT ON COLLEGE COACHES, ACTIVISM IN SPORTS & AN OLD FRIEND JINGLES!! | IIWII EP#46

Episode Date: November 16, 2023

Cam'ron, Ma$e & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are joined by Maurice Clarett! ***NEW MERCH** Shop the Come And Talk 2 Me Store....https://comeandtalk2me.com  Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Support the show and sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code CAM and get a $100 first deposit match, and a Special Pick'em pick. Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson.

Welcome back to It Is What It Is. This episode is sponsored by Underdog Fantasy. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states, including California, Florida, Texas, and New York, just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog Fantasy app. It will also match your first deposit up to $100 and you get a special pick when you sign up. Of course, I'm Treasure Wilson, aka StatBaby,

along with your hosts, Cam and Mace. What up, my guy? Thanks for that yesterday. I feel it. I feel a little loose. Yeah, that was a nice... Yeah, man, yo. That was what you call a consensual surprise.

That surprise was definitely consensual. So thank you for that, man. I really appreciate that, man. Like you said, sometimes a surprise is never consensual. I have to disagree. I'm going to have to disagree with that. But thank you for that, man. It was a great and Trudger, thank you too because without

you putting together, I would have never got that. Feeling good and ready to go, man. Pause. Great. Today, we are joined with our football analyst, Maurice Claret. Mo, see what's happening, baby.

Mo brushing his waves. Hey, I picked it up from the Harlem Brothers, you know what I'm saying? I had to get my shit out real quick. You know what I'm talking about. Niggas keep on brushing. Oh, that's what y'all doing? Niggas keep on brushing. What's happening, man?

What's good, baby? Hey, my girl seen the show, and she told me that the Body Roll Babes could come to Ohio. I will tell you that. Oh, she cool with it? She cool? No, she said they can't come.

Oh, she said, oh, they can't come. Yeah, there's a no-fly zone in Ohio for the Body Roll Babes. Yo, what shirt you got on today, bro? Hey, look. You see, we taking on... Oh! Way up, baby.

That's fire. You got OJ and Thanos. Oh, shit. That's crazy. Now we got to sell them since on the... We got to sell them since Monday. That's tough, bro. Yo, you a fucking market.

You might be one of us Harlem niggas, man. You might be. But, you know, Ohio ain't far from a Harlem nigga. The mentality. When he said, yo, one day he said, are we on underdog or are we going to put the dog under? I said, niggas don't even know what I'm talking about. I said, yeah, niggas talking that shit right there. Niggas don't even know what you're talking about.

If you know, you know. If you know, you know. That's what's up, man. Sorry, there was a lot of miscommunication last week, so we want to apologize to our fans that look forward to seeing you every week that you wasn't here last week, but you're here this week, and we're ready to go, baby. Okay. So I have a more general question. So let's talk about cannabis in sports. Wait, hold on. No more. There's something that you said you wanted to ask

me and make sure you need some advice on something. Yeah. Yeah. So, Hey, I figure we all a family and I figured y'all may have been some places I haven't been. And so one of the hardest things for me to do, pause, with being in business and transitioning where I came from, I just asked myself, right, when you transition from the streets and you get into corporate America, right, how do you deal with the people who violate or act weird in some sort of capacity where you would have violated them in the streets, but you have to put up with it in corporate America. And I got to say from all of my life and all the stuff I've been through, I just said, man, these two brothers at some point probably went through some similar stuff. So I just figured I'd ask. That's a great question, man. That's a great question because you know why? It gets,

it may be worse than the street sometimes. Corporate America, the shit that they try to pull on you in corporate America may be worse than some things that people try to pull on you in the street. And for me, I can't speak for Mace, but for me, it was different

levels. Excuse me. Sorry. So I've been doing this for professionally. I won't even, I'll say I signed my deal in 1997. So this would be 26 years professionally that I've been in business, uh, dealing with corporations.

So it's been different levels on how to deal with people when things haven't gone right. It's funny you ask that. Cause Mase, we were talking earlier about something. Yeah. Mase was like, I'm at the point right now,

Kim, in my life where you was at when you got off entertainment. And I said, I remember that. I said, I said, yeah, that. I said, yeah, it was go time and don't play with me. So, yo, this is such a great question, man. So, what happened was this,

and we'll be here the whole hour, so I'm going to give you a quick, a brief summary for me. When I first got my record deal, when Mase helped me get my first record deal, it was cool. At that time, he was just happy to have a record deal. And, you know, you think shit's going to be cool because you see people that's successful have, it looks successful. So my first record went gold. And I'm like, where's the money? I wasn't really getting a lot of money. My second album, I got off entertainment.

I was on Epic. And a female that worked at Epic was teaching me things. She said, Cam, your marketing budget is not being spent in the right place. It's your promotion budget isn't being spent. Radio is not being spent. So I was in a seven-album deal. And at that point, I had to use Valance. And when I say Valance, I'm just being totally honest. If you see straight out of Compton, when Ice Cube went in there and had the bat and tore the office up, like, stop playing with me, da, da, da.

That shit was Fisher Price compared to what I did. You know what I'm saying? I was going to Epic Records every day with 40 niggas, going to niggas' cubicles, knocking their computers over, eating chips. Shout out to my man, Luca Brazzi. Luca Brazzi, because that's when I used to have niggas from 40th with me. And he had Taliban niggas with him. So we merged together, and he went with me up there. And, you know, I don't forget.

I'm not a nigga who forget a discredit. So it was my niggas and his niggas, and we went up in Epic Records every day until it was totally uncomfortable. And then I was with me and Dame Dash that fell out. So I went to Dame and apologized. And I'm like, Dame, I need to get out this deal because Dame was up at this time.

And basically, Dame, he went with me one day. He said, well, what are you doing to get out the deal now? So I said, meet me in front of Sony. He met me. He was like, yo, what the fuck is going on? I said, come on, let me show you. We went up there and wrecked the whole shit. And Dave was like, Dave McPherson was the president.

And he was like, Dave's like, yo, Cameron, this isn't going to stop. We should figure something out. And he got me out my deal. So basically, at that period, that's how I got my deal. And that was like 99. So as time goes on, I don't want to be seen like that. So the next phase of dealing with niggas who treating you a certain way is,

and Kaiser's my man, or Michael Kaiser is my man. I'm like, now that I know the record business and I felt I was getting jerked, now I know how radio runs, marketing, promotion, advertisement, where all these dollars should be going. And this is prior to streaming records. So I'm talking about making CDs and just leaving the tape ever and so on and so forth.

So I knew Bobby Dash was the guy at radio. Me and him had a good relationship. But I knew Kaiser was the real guy at Def Jam who pushed the buttons, who was getting Ja Rule to spins and DMX to spins and Jay-Z to spins. And I'm like, Zeke, just go sit with Kaiser every day

and not be annoying because Kaiser's my man, but don't ever come upstairs again. I don't want to see your faces. I don't ever want to see you again. You come here every day and Kaiser's like, Ken, what's Zeke doing here?

I'm like, no, he's just learning. But Zeke is, you know, his learning is different. More of the story is we got the number one spinning record in Def Jam history where Old Boy came out. And then, so that wasn't really no violence. It was just more of a presence, I would say. And then the next step is when Hey Ma came out, it didn't work at Urban at first.

So Kaiser's like, Cam, you got Zeke sitting here all day. It's not working. It seems like a crossover record because Lionel Richie sampled. And he's like, it's working at Z100, but it's not working at Hot 97. Like, what's going on with that? He's like, you ought to talk to the radio. Ken Lane, shout out to Ken Lane. He ran all the pop stations.

Says, Z, leave there. This is your new office. And he sat in Ken Lane's office all day till we was on every pop station, every Z100, you know, it's different stations. That's like the pop station for New York. And Hey Ma was the number one pop record and it crossed back over to Urban.

So, sometimes you got more, I could go through this way. Sometimes you got to lean on niggas for us in a respectful way because I was just about to go through some old shit

in a respectful way to get what you need to get. But sometimes, you know, a lot of times, especially today, it's different numbers. Cameras everywhere, cell phones everywhere.

Everything is being recorded. This is when, not saying cameras were scarce, but you just couldn't pull out your phone and tape everything what's going on. But, you know,

it's a great question how to handle it today because I know niggas that are put on a high jib and act like Muslim females and creep up on you, if need be. Hope it don't get to that. Niggas got construction work and outfits and everything.

Yeah, and all that type of shit. So that's my quick story. Luckily, I haven't had that problem in years, and hopefully I don't run into that problem. Yo, this is crazy. Me and Mason's had this conversation. I said, I hope nobody, I swear to God, told him this yesterday. I said, I swear to God, I hope nobody make me backtrack and play on my money.

I just told him this yesterday. And nobody's doing that, but we just had that conversation. Sorry to be long-winded, Mason, if you want to elaborate. And I concur with what Killer just said. I agree with you, Cam, like yesterday. And because what I'm thinking about is my story is pretty much the same. I don't have any good ways to handle it. I remember going to the radio station to get puffed to sign the paperwork.

We had to go outside the lawyers. So we got to, sometimes it takes that. You got to, and you know, pressure makes people do things that they wouldn't normally do. So,

and then the last time he need more paperwork signed, I remember just telling puff, I'm just not going to sign it. He was asking me to sign something. I didn't sign it. And shout out to him. He did it anyway,

without even allowing me to sign something I didn't want to sign. Well, listen, man, don't necessarily take our advice. Yes, don't take our advice. Get you a lawyer. Yeah, the moral of the story is don't take our advice on this, you know? Exactly. Get you a lawyer. And hopefully things will work out even better. Because look, sometimes people don't think you'll go that far and they don't want to get sued.

And what happens if you win a lawsuit most of the times or lose a lawsuit, pardon me, you have to pay the other person's attorney fees. So not only do you lose your money and you have to pay your lawyer, whoever you lost to, and their returning fees. So sometimes people don't even want to risk that and they'll settle out. So you can always threaten by suing. It depends on the scenario. If you're dealing with a disgruntled employee,

that's not a lawsuit situation. That's just like a disgruntled employee. If you're dealing with a business partner, that's trying to get over on you. Hey man, I would say get a lawyer. It may take a while. And what happens is depending on how powerful you are or the,

or the lawyers, that shit could get pushed back for years. Yeah. So, um, it's no right answer for this mode, but that was a great question. And I was thinking,

go ahead, mom. No, I would just say it was it was nothing more like i get caught into these modes where somebody would try to beat me out of something like you know people will resent you that you had success after you fail or they don't see that you are educated or you own something that they wish they could own and oftentimes it's people who you know they they they other educated people, you know what I'm saying? They feel like, you know, you shouldn't be where you at. And I had a dude trying to beat me out of 50 grand.

And I said, my man, I was like, don't get all the smiles and shit fucked up. Don't get all the little public speaking and things that you see on the internet fucked up. Like, you're not going to play me like that. And then I got to catch myself because I'll be like, yo. Yeah, Mo, I was about to say, you about to lose the endorsement, Mo.

You're going back to UConn with that. Yeah, now listen, and that's why I say there's different scenarios because, listen, let's say for instance we get into a problem with,

on the level me and Mesa at with somebody we're doing business with, you know, hypothetically and not nobody that we're doing business now because all our partners are great. Yeah. But somebody on the level that we're doing business with, we can't threaten them. You know what I'm saying? We can't sit there and say we're going to go do this to you. Realistically, you can't do anything like that, especially moving forward, because people of their caliber may not want to deal with you moving forward after you stop business with them.

They're like, oh, they guys want to take it this route. And you may be 100 percent right, but they'll say that wasn't the way to handle it. So I'm not mad at the verbiage, but don't take it to the next level, especially where you're at. A lot of people don't know that Mo has over 500 employees working for him right now. So where you're at right now in life is not to be risked, bro. You have too much going on and too many people looking at you and not

only that, too many people depending on you. No, 100%. I think this is just something more than just you got to bring your frustrations and your place to somebody. It's a place to vent. It's a place to, this is definitely a place to vent

and say what I would have done. And it's all solid advice. Okay. So more general questions. Cannabis in sports. Do you think it will ever have a place? When you say a place in sports, what do you mean?

Like, is it going to be a part of the halftime show? Not a halftime show, but do you think it should be allowed? Should it be encouraged? Should athletes stay away from it? What do you think about it? This is a good question because I know that weed is legal in a lot of places in the united states but i still don't know if america is ready to see their favorite player higher halftime i think one time i saw a guy on the layup line and i was like yo he's hot you know

i couldn't smell it pause but i knew I could tell by the way his eyes look. Yo, he's really on that pack right now. And then he goes out there and doesn't score the points he normally would score. So I don't know. I don't know. I'm undecided about that. I think that for football players, it should definitely be allowed. They go through a lot of trauma, a lot of pain,

a lot of things they have to deal with. And then they want you to take these shots and these drugs and everything else, which is legal, but it's going to leave a longer-term effect moving forward. Like, you know, I can't even think of the Oradol or whatever the Oradol, one of them Oradols. Oradol. Yeah.

Oradol. Right. And you get these shots. Orasol. Yeah, like, this is a great, you know, you probably know the medicines

that they give people, especially you're in that field now after playing football, that they give you and it won't do 25 times more damage than we would ever give you. You it won't do 25 times more damage than we would ever give you. You know, I have to salute people like Ricky Williams,

my man Megatron up there in Detroit, for leaving and joining the cannabis space for saying, look, you want me to take all these different drugs, but I'm just trying to medicate off something that's legal. And it's like you said, certain places, not everywhere. And it's not going to do long-term damage to me as far as these other drugs that y'all are telling me to take painkillers for now.

You know, Gilbert Arenas was talking about when he first got to the NBA how it was a game, he said. And he said, not in the locker room, not in they pocket. Somebody get fouled, and a dime bag of cocaine came out of nigga's socks in the game. What? Word of blood. He was like, yo,

he said, Gilbert Arenas, he said, not in the locker room, not in the car. He said, somebody get fouled and a dime bag of cocaine comes out of somebody's socks. He said, I'm looking like, yo, what the fuck is this? So like Mace was saying, you don't want to see your favorite player

maybe high at halftime, but I'd rather see them high than coked up. Yeah, definitely. Like that coked up at halftime as well. I seen a few niggas get 30 high though. Oh, I watched a lot of niggas get high and bust ass. I know certain people that can't play without smoking before they play. Look, and I'm not talking about it.

Look, matter of fact, I'm not saying any names. Yeah, me neither. But I know a lot of NBA players that get high. One nigga got the MVP and he was high every game, so. Right, so I think it's a place for it, but I think it needs to be monitored

and not just a wild cowboy situation. Like, man, like you said, I'm going to smoke at halftime or whatever, so.

Yeah, niggas losing by 13, these niggas stressing me out. Yeah. I'm going to light up one, you know? Exactly. I was thinking. I was thinking, no, I was thinking like,

I felt like cannabis will be viewed sort of like gambling, how it was back in the day. Gambling used to be like real taboo and to associate it with sports. People always viewed it as like a negative thing. And as like, you have more athletes who get into the space. And then if you have more larger corporations who bind up all these small cannabis companies, I just keep on asking myself, like at some point, do the people who don't look at weed as taboo, do they grow up and then they start to make the decisions, be it that they're in these investment groups and they talk about the wellness benefits and things of that nature. So I was just thinking like that, like gambling used to be like so taboo

with sports and nobody would ever say it, but now it's a normal thing. And I wonder if we will eventually be in that space now that you have like big pharmaceutical and tobacco companies behind it. Yeah, eventually it will, you know, just like we're seeing gaming like you just said we're seeing betting and everything else on shows now so definitely I could see that happening as the future comes in another general question do you feel like activism works in sports so a lot of times I feel like athletes are told shut shut up and play. But what is your interpretation of that? I don't know. I think activism works to a point, right? It's easy to get guys riled up. It's easy to get guys to say, hey, man, I care about this thing because it becomes a popular thing, right?

You know, a few years back, it was the George Floyd issues and all of what they did around the NFL. And then prior to that, you had the thing going on with Kaepernick, right? But to me, it seems like anybody who does any sort of activism, who's ever pushed a narrative, they grab one person, they kind of control what it is that they want or is accepted from whatever person that they push into the front. And speaking of specifics to college athletics, I think the way activism could work for for those guys to rearrange what's going on in college sports is to basically sit out, you know, and I'm talking about just totally stop, sit out, and force people, these corporations, these teams, these universities, force people to have an honest discussion

about what athletes should be compensated. And I know that's bridging the story with Jimbo Fisher, but when you see somebody get paid $80 million for them to quit and leave, and you're talking about athletes who still can't benefit from the school, you have to ask yourself, like, logically, like, where's all this money at?

Where is it coming from? Where is it going? And how do you participate? And people don't listen to you until you take extreme measures or just basically say, hey, we're going to stop the whole money train and somebody's going to represent us

and our interests and that would, and that's how I feel it can work in the collegiate space. What is activism? Do it be working for sports? For white people sometimes, you know, them niggas start,

you know, you got to go down to Charlotte, Clarkson, whatever, you know, one of them villas, you know, one of them villas down there in Virginia.

Mechanicsville. Yeah, one of them villas, they start all this black shit sometime and be working. You know, now it's a lot of cameras and shit, so niggas can't get away. But they'll still go for it.

And it ain't just college. You know, it's funny that you brought this up. Not funny, but it's funny that we talked about this the other day. And I'm just going to jump out the college space for a minute. And we were laughing because, and to us it may be funny, but this may be a serious situation in North Carolina because their fans, the football fans for their team out there are going to go protest when the season's over because they're tired of losing. And it's like, yo, so we're laughing and shit like, yo, niggas going to go do a peaceful protest. And the matter of fact, OJ was on the show and he said, man, he's seen a kicker get his ass kicked in a bar.

So sometimes it can turn violent. But I have no idea how much success it's going to have. What I will say is this. Since the pandemic and COVID and George Floyd situation, a lot of people are giving us a lot more notice. And it took a lot of ass whippings out there on our behalf to give to them after George Floyd fucking shit up, pulling out guns.

I'm not promoting all this. I'm just speaking to all the things that happened in post-George Floyd's death and what went on during the pandemic. People snatching news reporters' microphones, saying, why are we going to do this for Floyd? And it was a bunch of stuff to people. I remember that going on

and the riots was happening and seeing random shit like Wendy's said they're going to donate a million dollars to the Black community. Wendy's never gave niggas a free burger, let alone a million dollars. But where's the black community?

Where was the money being delegated to? Oh, they fucking up more shit? Pepsi has $5 million to delegate to Urban America. You know, so that's even... That goes kind of back to the question you originally asked us. How do you handle certain shit? And like we said, we're not promoting violence,

but once shit started getting shaky, niggas started coughing up money, and then they don't even know where to allocate their money to. Yeah, when they give out $5 million, where does that money go? Like the YMCA, where does it go? That's a great question because I don't know if they have somebody that works for them and says, okay, let's give, if you have $5 million,

let's give $250,000 to the kids at Omaha, Nebraska. Let's give another $250,000 to San Francisco. Yeah, who's allocating the money? But they're just, they get so scared. $5 million, black America. That's you. We got it. Activism is a big bag, huh?

That's what I'm hearing. So you're saying how would that work with sports? Well, yeah, but what I'm saying is this. It's a big bag when you're scared. If you're not scared, they may just brush you off. Yeah. Look, think about it, man. When I used the Hurricane because he is a boxer.

Yeah. He went to jail. Muhammad Ali was out there for him. Jim Brown, a whole bunch of people out there protesting. I know we're in a different time today. Yeah, a bunch of people. Yeah, exactly. A bunch of different people protest. And sometimes lessons not learned in blood are quickly forgotten. You said that before. That's from the movie Lord by a Citizen, but I like it. Yeah. That's it.

Yeah. Kindness is not going to get you far when you're protesting. Yep. So, Maurice, you started talking about the dismissal

of Jimbo Fisher, the Texas A&M coach. He was fired, but he has a $76 million contract buyout. Meanwhile, players still can't even get paid directly from school. So can you elaborate kind of that situation more and then your thoughts on that?

Yeah, man, he was let go from Texas A&M and they had to buy out his contract and the total buyout from everything all comes up to like 127 million he also did something similar at florida state and so i'm not hating on jimbo fisher and just for context the the entire reason that i got on a speaking tour uh was for me going down to florida state with jimbo fisher and jimbo fisher saying say whatever the fuck you want to the team that ended up going viral and i ended up basically getting booked off of it. So I love him. But when you have $80 million, that's basically being given to the coach where you have to pay him 80 million, then you have to hire the new guy in and pay him 80, 90, a hundred million. You know, that there's money inside the system. And so I'm not hating on any coach, be it head coach, assistant coach or anything. But in order to get these kids compensated, I'm talking about the kids who come from black America, white America, whatever America, in order for that. How do you pay somebody $80 million to walk away? But yet on the other hand, you say,

hey man, how do you pay these kids? And so that's all I'm saying. A lot of people don't know name, image, and likeness money doesn't come from the university. That comes from sponsorships, boosters, and things that they fundraise outside the universities. And the university is sort of let off the hook from paying these athletes anything when they generate you know tens of millions of dollars in some cases hundreds of millions and not only that let me ask you because i'm i'm just asking because this is from what i heard if you even get an endorsement deal for your name image and likeness you have to if it's a conflict with the school, so let's say the school has a contract where the deed is, but Nike wants to give you a deal.

You can't even do the Nike deal or at least wear it at the school because you're conflicting with the school's money. Is that correct? That's 100% correct. And that's why they're saying it's limited and you're basically blocking the player from benefiting everything that they can benefit from their name, image, and likeness. why they're saying it's limited and you're basically blocking the player from benefiting everything that they can benefit from their name, image, and likeness. And so it limits and it condenses who you can do business with and give you large money. And what it is, is like, you know

how like when a person has not had nothing and if you give them something, they'll think like, oh man, this is a great thing. No, a great thing. You want this to be perceived as a great thing. What is the fair thing? You know what I'm saying? What should I be getting and what is my economic impact? But I always go back to when, if you keep on filtering out a bunch of dumb ass players, if you keep on uneducating dudes and keep on pumping them in the system, you'll never internally have anybody to come and question what they've been through. And so then you'll just have a bunch of happy niggas who come back to the games, put on t-shirts to say, yay for the university. And so I don't want to turn into that

conversation, but that's like, if you look around America, that's kind of what you have. You don't have anybody who's been through it, been to the backside of the system and say, okay, let me advocate for the guys who come behind me. Even though I won't benefit, let me advocate for these dudes who come from communities I come from and who need to benefit from this stuff. Mo, I know you said that you're not hating,

but you said that twice and it sounds like you're hating. Hating on a guy getting a hate. I'm just giving you an observation. Whenever somebody keeps saying I'm not hating, there's probably some hate in there, Mo. You can classify how you classify, but I keep on saying,

hey, I'm not hating on him. I'm not mad at him, but can we at least spread out the compensation to some of the players who helped to make you who you are? Like if you go out there, you put in work and the work that we put in allows you to become who you are. How do you not benefit from that? So that's the ongoing conversation that I have with all of collegiate athletics. How do you not benefit from that? I just looked at some stuff since this conversation came up.

And when they fire these coaches, that means they're going to hire another coach, which they're going to pay, which is more millions of dollars that these kids haven't gotten since 2023. Look, I'm just going to read off some stuff that I just actually looked up. Auburn fired their coach last year, 2022. He's owed $15.5 million. Nebraska fired their coach, Scott Frost. He's owed $15 million. Georgia Tech fired their coach, $11.4 million. Wisconsin fired its coach, Paul Christ, $11 million.

Carl Durrell for Colorado. We know how you had to get out of my nigga, Dion, came through. Still owed him $8.7 million. My nigga Herm. Give Herm that was his money. That's my nigga Herm. We ain't going to talk about Herm. They owe Herm $4 million.

Give Herm that money, nigga. I'll fuck with Herm. Moral of the story, it's $146 million owed to coaches that's not even coaching. So that means it's more money to pay more coaches and kids are still not getting any of this money, which is totally disgusting.

I agree. Crazy. That's the point, exactly. It is crazy. I told y'all we need that audit. Now it's making more sense. We need an audit for college football.

We need an audit for college sports, period. The whole thing about it, I'm not disagreeing with the audit, but they not even hiding it. They doing it in your face. This is what's going on. Audits when niggas is trying to hide something. This is dead ass in the nigga face.

Boys, yo. We giving this nigga $120, $170, $80 million to step off, and that's what it is. Money matter order, because look, it might be way more than that. So you're absolutely right. But goddamn, just to throw $146 million in a nigga's face and be like,

oh, well, them niggas not even coaching no more as well. Yeah, you got to really not like a nigga to give him $100,000 and leave. Yeah, exactly. I don't know what that nigga did. Yo, you pay a girl some money to go, but a hundred? Yeah. Something million to tell a nigga don't ever come back here?

Yeah. That's a lot. Okay, so there are actually more issues concerning college coaches. A lawsuit was made against Ole Miss head coach, Lane Kiffin, by a player. The player claims he was kicked off the team during a mental health crisis.

So the player and the coach got in a heated argument that has since been released via audio. And Lane Kiffin is trying to dismiss this $40 million lawsuit. So my question to you is, do you think suspending it makes sense? Do I think what? Suspending the lawsuit makes sense.

I don't know. I look at it two ways. I don't want to minimize the young guy's mental health issues. Right. So they said he had a lot going on and he walked away from the program for a couple of weeks. And when he came back, you know, this was part of him doing this. So on one hand, I said, hey, man, was did he get some advice to go back to the team to try to set the coach up? Knowing that Lane Kiffin may be a hothead or knowing that he may have some confrontation before. So I look at that piece and then how that affects other people who have real mental health issues. Then I look at the other, on the other hand, like, okay, like what if the kid actually did go through this? And, you know, it's kind of crazy, but

what always throws me off with anything is that if you go around somebody and you're secretly recording a conversation, that's just always like a red flag for me. And like, what are you trying to get accomplished? What did you come there to do? And I think most people, that seems a little weird to go around anybody recording the conversation without them knowing about it. So I don't know. I got mixed feelings. I'll let those guys weigh in.

What I'll say is this. It's just always some shit with Lane Kiffin. Like, Lane Kiffin always just skipping town as soon as another bad come through. Soon as a nigga got opportunity. He just skips town. Like, it's always some shit. I'm trying to think of a nigga

that I can compare to Lane Kiffin. James Harden. No, James Harden is like Lane Kiffin. He just... The shit ain't right, nigga, Lane just skipped town on niggas like, yo. And get it back. Yeah, shit just ain't clicking when Lane,

when yo, Lane Kiffin gets the fuck out of it. Get these, get these, I think he coached in Tennessee for two hours. I'm so sure he was in there for, how long you did, two days? That's some crazy shit. Tennessee, hey. Tennessee, hey,

Tennessee, USC, Alabama, and left the team right before the championship game. But not only that. And now he had Ole Miss. Yeah, and you know,

we fuck around and we just, you know, we're playing to a certain extent when it comes to, um, to my nigga, um,

what's my, what's that coach, Alabama, my nigga? My nigga Nick Saban. We give Nick Saban a hard time, but he's a great coach. And, you know, he gets a lot of NFL players. Nick Saban took a chance on your janky ass, man.

Let you come in, you learn the system, and then you be like, you know what? I don't really want this nigga to win. I'm going to get ready to get out of here right now. Before he wins, I want to really be with Nick Saban. He just like, so when it comes to Lane Kiffin, he's already down 30

fucking with me. He got to work his way back to zero. So especially when it comes to a mental health situation, I don't want to weigh in on this conversation too much because I didn't do the due diligence on it. But when it comes to anything Lane Kiffin, he's already damn 30. So I get where you're coming from, Moe,

and I agree with that too. I don't like when it's a bunch of taping me secretly to get me to say some crazy shit. So I get that as well. But Lane Kiffin, name doesn't really be in the... I don't know how he keep getting jobs like that. Is he... His aging is powerful.

Yeah, his aging. And not only that, I don't know where his football lineage is. Like, does his father play? Monty Kiffin. Monty Kiffin. Legendary coach. That's his father? Yup. Knew it! I didn't even

guess that. You a savant. No, it had to be't no it had to be something it had to be something that's that's I know he fucked up give my boy give my boy one more chance

if you don't he's gonna mentally break down yeah listen listen it's not about football you owe me you don't remember you owe me

I knew it knew something for this nigga to keep getting this many opportunities and not winning no motherfucking championships, I knew something was going on. Like I said, Mo knows better about this particular topic.

I don't want to weigh in too much. But I don't, two things. Lane Kiffin's always around some wild shit. And I don't like when people record when you're not knowing. So I don't want to downplay any mental health situations. But I agree with Mo on that as well. So I'm just going to not give an opinion at all. Those are my only two statements that I have to say.

This nigga is bugging out. Yeah, no. Disclaimer, disclaimer, disclaimer, you know. I'm just thinking about listening to what y'all are saying. He goes in and learn the system and then says he's the system. It's crazy. What are you talking about? Lane Kiffin? Yeah. He basically said

he's the system. I learned the system. Now I'm the system. No, he did that as being the assistant coach of Alabama. He be getting head coaching jobs. He coach Ole Miss right now. Like, he be getting... What I'm saying to Tennessee, like, so, I can't remember, Moen, you may know

longer than me. How long was he there deadass? I know I was exaggerating. Yeah, it was something like two weeks, and then he went to USC. That's what I'm saying. I know I'm not bugging. I remember this shit. The niggas, when they gave him an initiation, they had the whole city all laying kiffin' about to coach Tennessee. It's gonna be shit. The niggas, they gave them an initiation. They had the whole city,

all the way in Kiffin about to coach Tennessee. It's going to be crazy. The money cleared and he bought it. Nigga, first football practice, they waiting for him.

He a USC nigga with that niggas on the field waiting for this nigga. He never even came to practice. Nigga's like, yo, yo, I'm sorry to everybody

in Tennessee down there, but this opportunity, I could not miss. Yo, bro, that nigga everybody in Tennessee down there, but this opportunity I could not miss. Yo, bro, that nigga left niggas hanging pause and two weeks, I knew I wasn't bugging. I remember that situation because I'm like, how did niggas hire this nigga? Oh, every school he worked at, his dad worked there as well.

That's a good read. Yeah, I didn't know that. Oh, read. Yeah, I didn't know that. Oh, wow. Yep. I didn't know that. It's crazy. Okay. Michigan, they have a lot going on.

The Big Ten has suspended the coach, Jim Harbaugh, from coaching for the rest of the season. Do you feel like the team is still getting penalized before the investigation is finalized? Yeah, 100%. And this is not the popular thing to say, but it's the same thing that Black people say. Don't convict me of something

before you do the investigation. For those young kids to be playing all season, winning all season, and the Big Ten commissioner and the NCAA, for them to get so much pressure from social media and just people constantly talking about it, I think it's not the right thing to do to suspend them just because you have accusations of what they do

and so many people rumbling about it. You also have to realize this. There's another factor that plays into it. The ESPN had lost to bit to in contracts right and losing those contracts to to air those games have been another factor into the driving of the narrative from espn and what's going on about this and you know all this all these like contributing factors that people don't understand all the business behind the stuff i just don't like when stuff is not done clean and done wrong

or done underhanded. And I think that Michigan is kind of in a situation right now where these kids have played, they've been winning on the field, and then due to politics and people sort of hating hardball, they've put these young kids in a difficult situation to potentially go to the national championship. Mo, I think you're kicking Michigan because of why they're down. It's an Ohio thing.

He's giving Michigan props, actually, Murda, if you're listening to him. I don't think you're listening. He's actually giving Michigan mad credit. He's saying they're doing Michigan wrong. You just hear Michigan, and he's giving Michigan mad credit. I should be mad about that, not you.

He's basically saying that's fucked up what they doing to Michigan and getting fucking Jim Harbaugh out of there when them niggas is winning and they have camaraderie and chemistry and on the verge of possibly winning the national champion that you're going to take him out the equation and he's not even found guilty yet. But it's one of them situations you're guilty until proven innocent. That's what Jim Harbaugh is going through right this particular moment. So I 100% agree with you.

I hate scenarios like that. They're sitting there saying, well, fuck that. You know, we talked about this last time he was on the show. He's agreeing with certain ways that players should get money. He's taking a lot of stance to where he's questioning the institutions, not just Michigan. I'm talking about the whole NCAA on why kids are not getting paid. And they're like, you know what?

Sit your ass down. How about that, General? Sit your fucking ass down. And hopefully you might lose one or two or maybe three of these games. They already won the first game last week. But get you out of contention for going for a national title. And I think that's fucked up as well. I think that is fucked up.

Even being a Buckeye, I have to give credit to Mo for saying that because we both Buckeyes, but what they're doing to Michigan is really fucked up. Yeah, I thought he was saying that sarcastically. You know how you hate a nigga and you be like, I don't wish that on my worst enemy. You didn't know what he was talking about, Mace.

You didn't know? You didn't know? We know you didn't know. You didn't let me finish. You ever met people that don't like somebody and they be like I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy but they actually are happy

that it's happening it's just something good to say you know they can see you out there right you know they can see you right they should be able to see you and then when they see this they're gonna be like you might as well DJ the way he be spinning I think you might as well give the way he be spinning. I think he might as well get him two turntables the way he be spinning.

No, we know this story. This is the guy with the cheeseburger. I actually really thought he was saying this sarcastically. Like, you know, like OJ does stuff. Everybody got a different sarcasm. Mo just says things, but he don't really mean it for Michigan. Even though he said that. Okay. Okay.

Well, thank you for being here. Thank you so much for joining us, man. We really appreciate you, man. And listen, man, we got to talk off the camera. You know, we getting a lot more shit done so we got some surprises for everybody

on the is what it is network coming up soon with Mo included as well hey I will say this thank y'all for having me when this air is gonna be my baby's birthday I'm about to go upstairs with the pink horsepower about to you feel me

woo oh your baby baby upstairs with the pink horsepower about the, you feel me? Woo! Oh, oh. Oh, your baby, baby. Yeah. Nobody, bro. Yeah, no, I thought he meant his kid. Yeah.

Okay. Listen, man. Hey. Take one and a half, nigga. I give you permission. I give you permission. Yo, have a good night and thank you again. How you doing? All right, thanks, bro. All right. We're Yo, have a good night and thank you again.

All right. Thanks, bro. All right. We're going to go to break. And when we return, we will talk about the Warriors versus Timberwolves fight. Pink Horse Power. She call this thing about toxic. What's happening, baby?

Baby, what's happening? Why you walking like that? That's how I walk. And then, like, you come on breathing on in like that? That's how I walk. And then, like, you come on breathing on me like that. I fucking breathe to live. And, like, you used to be dark skin, and now you act like hella light skin. You fucking blind? I'm dark skin. What the fuck? And then, like, look at your beard. The fuck is wrong with my beard?

Your beard looks stupid. What the fuck are you talking about? No, I don't even like it. The way you breathe in, all of that. Has this ever happened to you? Your girl seems to be mad, angry, upset. She's frustrated. There's only one way to handle that. Pink Horse Power. No, no, no, no, no. I'm just trying to give you a massage. Plus, have I told you how good your beard looks lately?

It looks so good. No! but your beard looks lately. It looks so good. No. PHP. It works every time. Wait, where are you going?

Welcome back. So let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day. Tonight, OKC will play the Warriors. Underdog fantasy has Shea at 31 and a half points. Do you have him higher or lower? Who's playing? Who are they will play the Warriors. Underdog Fantasy has Shea at 31 and a half points. Do you have him higher or lower? Who's playing?

Who are they playing? The Warriors. I'm going to give them higher because you need to listen. You first see them all in the NBA. You first see them all in the NBA. You first see them all in the NBA. And these are the games that, you know, you wasn't getting a lot of national games last year. So a lot of people are like, how did this thing become first team on the NBA? The last few games,

you've been shaking, you've been getting your thing going. Of course, you had, I think, seven steals the other night, which was amazing for last players in the last four or five years for the Thunder to do that. This is the game

where people want to see you. I'm going to take the over on 31 points. I should probably agree with Mason, but I'm going to take the over on 31 points. I should probably agree with Mace, but I'm going to take the over because you have to show up against Steph Curry. This is what it's about. They want to know why your first team, all NBA, and he's not.

So go to Underdog Fantasy, use code CAM, and take the over on this game. Actually, if it's your first time and you put up 50, they'll credit you $100. Use code Kim, put up $50, they'll credit you $100, and take the over on 31 and a half it was?

Yeah. On Shea. There we go. If he had 28 versus the Spurs, you really think he's going to have over 31? It's the Spurs, and it's a big game. I mean, it goes like this, man.

When you played Felipe, did you get hype up? Oh, then when you played Jingles? Getting hype for this, nigga. Yeah, yeah. Certain niggas, you for this, nigga. Yeah, yeah. Certain niggas, you like, this who they love, huh?

Yeah. This is who they really think is that nigga. This they king. Yeah. Every time I play Steph Marbury. Yeah. Every time. You went crazy.

I had to go crazy because I'm like, this y'all champion? That's how I looked at it. So that's why I'm taking them on the over. Chet, Holmgren is at seven and a half rebounds. Do you have them higher or lower? I'm going to go lower. I watched the game with him and Wimby and

it looked flimsy on both parts, man. It was wild flimsy. I was hoping to get LeBron against Carmelo in 2003 vibes, and that was far from the vibes I got.

It was definitely a dark day in OKC that night. It was terrible. And then Chet, you know, we were saying that you possibly can maybe beat out Wimby for the rookie of the year. Both of you guys disappointed.

I'm going lower. I'm going lower. I'm actually going to go higher. Chet got to get his name back. And the front court in Golden State is so small, he should be able to get more than those rebounds. Okay. And Clay Thompson is at four rebounds. Do you have him higher or lower?

That's interesting. Let me see. Klay Thompson? No. Lower. I'm going to go higher because I'm going to suspect that Draymond won't be playing and he's going to have to go get some

rebounds. So I'm going to go higher on that. We to go get some rebounds. So I'm going to go high on that. We'll definitely get into that later. Make sure to download the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too. So before we even get into the rest of the questions, we are now joined with a special guest, Kevin Mace's childhood friend, Jingles. Hey!

Now hold on before, hold on. Hold on for the viewers who haven't been watching the last few episodes. Oh. To the top. Hey, hey. Yo. Yo, Jingles. Yo, yo, Jingles. Yo, Jingles. Put that shit out.

Yo, Jingles. Put that shit out. Yo, Jingles. Yo, Jingles. Yo, Jingles. Jingles came to sell it. Jingles. Jingles.

Jingles. Jingles. What's up, Jingles? Yo, talk to me, baby. Talk to me. Nice. Yo, what's good? Yo, yo, listen. So, so I like the intro. I love it. So real quick, just for our viewers who may have missed the episode or two. This started about three weeks ago when we said that players were selling candy for their uniforms.

And our homeboy Jingles played for the players that were selling candy to get their uniforms. Jingles called me, said we never was selling candy to get their uniforms. Jingles called me, said we never was selling candy. Boom, it moved on to where, you know, Jingles stays in Seattle. He trains people out there to where we said something else about Jingles. And Jingles, we were saying that he played for a whack team. And Jingles said, yo, y'all trying to do me dirty up there. So yesterday, Jamal Crawford said that he played Jingles one-on-one and he beat Jingles five to zero.

And I wanted details about how Jingles lost because Jingles is from Harlem. I don't know where A.G. moved to Seattle, but Jingles called me like, y'all Harlem niggas always want details. Now you want to know exactly how I lost to Jamal Crawford and so on and so forth. So Jingles said, I need to come on the show to defend myself.

So Jingles is here to defend himself. We said, now I'll go first. You play with the players, bro. You play with the players, my nigga. Y'all niggas was trash. We smacked y'all niggas by 30 every game. Y'all shows we killed y'all niggas. You got 25, 26 here and there,

but you niggas lost every game by 20, 25 points. Cameron. Cameron. This is me, baby. Hey, you played with the privileged team, right? You did. You played with the privileged team,

the New York Gauchos. Y'all was good. But why you gonna say 25-26 Ain't that close to 30 Give me my 30 Teddy Listen Teddy Give me 30 I had 30

I was a killer That's what it was I was a killer Hey I was a killer Yeah you might have Hey hey hey Yo how you a killer with a name like Jingle?

Yeah. Hey, hey, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on. First of all, Cam, can I get my friend back, bro? Yo, when we was in Atlanta, when we was in Atlanta, I talked to this fool every morning at 6 o'clock. He was wrapped up in bubble wrap, looking like the Michelin man running on a treadmill.

Talk about, dang, I'm going to lose this weight. Now the nigga can now, I call his phone and the Mexican answer. Can I get my friend back, bro? Can I get my friend back? Yo, hold on. Mr. Petty. Hold on. Yo. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Petty. Hold on. Mr. Petty himself.

Yeah. Now, let's get back to this. Let's get back to this real quick. You said the players lost to everybody. And then you said we didn't play nobody, right? Tell me where the Gauchos played that we didn't play. No, we said that y'all played everybody. But what happened is when you're losing

by that much, niggas like me, Gary Saunders, we don't play the fourth quarter. That's when you get a lot, you get 20. No, but G. Saunders played in our age division since he was nine. Yeah, he been playing like, he been playing like...

You got like eight, ten points and then when he rested, that's when you got the other 16, Jane. No, no. Listen to this. When I put on them sneakers, I didn't care who I was playing. Cam, no. I was killing niggas. I was killing niggas.

Which grade do you want to talk about, Cam? Tell me, sixth grade on up? What I'm saying is this. We never seen you play high school basketball. You disappeared at 14 years old. Your game didn't translate. No, no, no, no, no, no. Your game didn't translate to high school.

Some niggas didn't make it to the pros. Your game didn't make it to high school, James. We only know you from 10 to 14 years old. Stop. Stop. No, stop. We only know you from 10 to 14 years old. Stop. Stop. No, stop. Stop right there. 14, 15 years old.

Y'all must be talking about Tupac. I was in New York City. I was in New York 14, 15 years old. What school did you go to? High school. First of all, let me explain how it went. First of all. I went to Julia Richmond.

I went to Julia Richmond. I got kicked out of Julia Richmond. I went to Julia Richmond. I got kicked out of Julia Richmond. I left and went to Seattle. I left and went to Tacoma, Washington. Let me make this clear. I didn't go to Seattle. Seattle was 30 minutes away. I went to Tacoma, Washington. You know, that's where Avery Bradley, Isaiah Thomas, Malachi Flynn, Abdul Gadi, that's where all of them from. I went to Tacoma, Washington. My high school year, I played basketball. I played at Clover Park High School.

They never seen the type of basketball that I came, the style I came with. You guys was over there at Manhattan Center. Mace was crying all day. Can't be right. I went to the game. Mace was always crying. You know what I'm saying? Let's keep it real.

Gene. Gene, you act like I wasn't Sir Mix-a-Lot out there, Gene. I didn't have niggas falling all over the place. I'm going to get to you. I'm going to get to you. All right. Let's keep it a stack. No, we're going to keep it a stack.

We'll get to you. Cam, you was good. You played high school basketball at Manhattan Center. You were in base. Y'all did that. But when y'all was over there playing, I was on the West Coast giving niggas a headache. Niggas had to add bill, Tylenol.

I was killing niggas. You know what I'm saying? I came back back and you guys was doing this. Mason Beth, dog. And I was like, those are my niggas. I was like, those are my niggas. Nobody believe me. I was like, those are my niggas. You know what I'm saying?

Hey, hey. Hey. Hey. Dollar Sign was doing this in videos. And you was doing what you was doing, right? Keep it real. Yeah. Mace, when I did play you.

Okay, my bad. Mace, when I did play you. What? Mace, when I did play you, you did your numbers, right? Yeah, what's my numbers? Put my numbers up. 20. 20, that's all you giving me?

Jingles, how much you had? 40. You wildin', Jingles. Hey, hey, hey, hey, listen. Every time I got the ball, niggas was falling. They was saying the floor is slippery and all of that.

Keep it real. Keep it real. Hey, hey, kill it.'m going to keep it real. He did make somebody fall. When I seen that, he made my man fall, I told Slim, I said, Slim, put the ball in my hand. I'm going to kill these niggas.

Hey, hey, hey. You lost, Gene. Gene, you lost. You lost. We went into overtime, Doll Sign. G, you lost. Dollar sign. Dollar sign, don't lie. We went into overtime, dollar sign. Yeah, but you lost. I had about 40. You lost.

Dollar sign, I had 40. Who won in overtime and who's the reason y'all lost? Put the light on the guy. You won in overtime. Yeah, who won it, killer? We're getting the facts. Excuse me. See, this is my thing about the whole thing, right?

The whole thing is this. This is why I'm at the top of the food chain, because your team would have never won an overtime with my team. I didn't even play the fourth quarter. I don't know what Mason is doing in overtime. I was by myself. I beat his team by myself. Hey, hey, hey.

It was Thanos. It was Thanos versus. Oh, man. It was Thanos. It was Thanos versus Paul. Okay. I went down. I wasn't even supposed to be on the team. They say, yo, Mace, we ain't got five. Put me in.

I said, you know, I'm out there in air nights, low airs. Nigga's saying the floor is slippery. Go ahead, Juggles. Listen, listen, listen. All that slippery, I had everybody

on ice skates. Harlem will tell you, citywide, Milbank, I was killing. That's all I'm going to tell you. I was killing. I just got to talk about that. And Cam, you know I was killing for that. I just got to talk about that. And Cam, you know I was killing for that. I think you

caught a dunk in Stone Gym one time. That's the highlight I can remember. On the little ones. On the little ones. On the little ones, man. I give you that. Cam, listen. Listen. And we did a survey

through Harlem. They're going to tell you all. When dudes see this, dudes see that when they, when dude seen this, or dude seen that, they like, yo, what these niggas talking about? You was chilling. And then not as a grown man, hold on. Listen, not as a grown man, as a grown man, when we got to play in celebrity basketball games and we got to do that,

I still was chilling. You niggas was, uh,. I almost got a Reebok deal. I almost got a Reebok deal in celebrity games. Don't bring that up. They barred me from all celebrity games. They wouldn't even let me play. Hey, listen. Listen. You just

like Billy the Kid. You run around talking about, oh, I could beat Murray. You said, I could beat Murray. You said, I could beat Murray. I said, Murray said, I will bet you and I will kill you. Murray didn't show up. Murray didn't show up. I got in shape and Murray been

ducking me. He said he fell in love. Did he say he fell in love? Murray said he fell in love. He didn't even answer my DM. Fell in love with what? He said he fell in love with his didn't even answer my DM. Fell in love with what? He said he fell in love with his girlfriend or something. He wasn't ready to play me. Nah, don't do that.

Yeah, wherever Murray's at, he know I asked for... Murray's a killer. Come on. Murray's a killer. You told me, yo, you gonna get me a car if you beat Murray. So get in shape. That's the reason I was getting in shape. No, you was getting in shape for that single you had when we was in the studio. Yo, G.

What survey in Harlem did you do that nigga said that we bugging? Who's on the survey? Yeah. Yeah. Who you want on the survey? Let me ask y'all this. You said you did a survey. We was trying to figure out.

Was it a boys and yesteryear survey? No, I said, what I said, I said, if we do a survey. I didn't say I did one. Dudes is calling me like, yo, Ging, is this thing crazy? Listen to this. I played indictment. You guys was already, I played indictment at my early 20s.

I played indictment. Who played on the side of me was our brother, God Sham God. That was the only time he ever played indictment. You know what I'm saying? He helped you out, Ging. Yeah I'm saying? He helped you out, Ging. Yeah, Ging. He helped you out, Ging. What are you talking about?

What are you talking about? Ging, I got the MVP in 55th when I was 16, Ging. Yeah, Ging, what are you talking about? I got MVP in 55th when I was 16 years old, bro. Cam. Cam.

Yes? You saying you got MVP and 55th when you was 16, right? You did, right? Yes. I wasn't. No, you was 17. I was 1992. I was 16 years old. Oh, I wasn't there. I was gone.

Yeah, we ran you out of town, bro. We ran you off to Tacoma. No, no, no, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't say that. You ain't running nowhere. Nigga, you ain't running me nowhere. I was killing y'all.

We don't keep it a stack out here. I was killing y'all. And when I came back as a young man, I was still killing niggas. I was still killing niggas. I was still killing niggas. Look, Jay, I don't know. The thing about it is this. We don't know what team she's talking about. The thing about it is this, too.

What I will say is this. Because we got about six, seven more minutes. So I want people to know what you're doing as well. So I'll say a couple more things. Oh yeah, yeah. For sure, for sure. But what I will say is this, because I've been out there

like Tacoma, Seattle, and all that shit. That weed is crazy out there. Yeah. And I see Jingle's been smoking a lot of that shit. Jingle's got a good strand. Yeah, that weed out there

is crazy, bro. Yeah, Tacoma. Yeah. That dispenser, I actually did an install of the dispensary out there. Jing is on that crazy pack. That shit right next to Canada.

That shit's filtering in and fucking your brain cells up, Jing. I don't smoke a drink. Yeah, that nigga Jing is wilder. I don't smoke a drink. Hey, let me explain something to you. Before your six or seven minutes go up, I went to school on the east side. No, it's just six or seven minutes, Jing.

I went to school on the east side. I went to school on the east side. No, it's just six, seven minutes, J. All right, I went to school on the east side. I went to school on the east side. I lived on the east side. I have family on the west side. I played all over Harlem. All you got to do is act. There's only one Jingle in this world. That's me.

And I killed me. And I killed both of y'all before. Nah, Ging, if you was crazy, they would have gave you a better name than Ging. That don't sound like a nigga that was killing Ging. What name did they give you, Crybaby? All you did was

cry. Give me the ball. Ging, you ever played against Marquis? Hey, that was, that was the best player in New York. Yeah,

Marquis was like, and what he did, what he, and nobody don't give him like his flowers. Yeah. Nobody don't give him his flowers.

I be giving Marquis his flowers. I just talked to Biz like, I just talked to Biz like two months ago. That's the best player in New York City. See, the thing about it is, you know, see, this is what I be trying to explain to people

is that niggas in Harlem, you start being grown at eight because the niggas that we talking about stopped playing ball at 13 and 14 years old. Like, Marquee was the best player, and he quit at 14. So you're absolutely right. Same thing with Jingles with all these stories. I don't remember

Jingles going to Julia Richmond or nothing. Stop. Stop. 13. I don't remember past 13. I went to Julia Richmond. Then why you ain't play on the team? You didn't make it? What happened? Nah, I didn't go. I left. I left. I left

due to some stuff happening to the videotape I remember why you left Richmond you know I was at Julia Richmond at first right yeah when we won it all I was the lead on that team yeah me that's who yeah me that's who

earlier said you got kicked out you said you got kicked out now you left all everybody remember. Hey, Dollar. All everybody remember is you storming off the court mad at Cam. They don't remember that real. You storming off the court mad at Cam.

That's real. But I won on every level. I won on every level. You forgot that? What level? On every level. JV, freshman,

I won championship on every level. I'm allergic to JV. I'm allergic to JV. That's why you left. That's why you left because I was running that team. No, I left because I was a product of my

environment at that time. And my mom's running better for me. That's what the now move back. Jing, MVP, MVP. Just remember that. MVP, MVP. Jing is definitely from all of them. You're looking at him in that privilege.

I'm telling you. You're looking at him in that privilege. Yo, G So let me ask you this He said you was on a privilege Yeah, he said came in that damn privilege He just G, you wouldn't have made the team

You would have got cut Yeah You would have made it, bro You couldn't make God's children You couldn't make Riverside That's why you play with the players And you wouldn't have made Young Life neither Yeah, you play with the players

I played that Hold on, hold on Y'all got to understand I played that Young Life I started have made Young Life neither. Yeah, you play with the players. I play that. I play. Hold on. Hold on. Y'all got to understand. I played that Young Life. I started off that Young Life. Y'all got to understand this. Who you play with?

I started off that Young Life. Who was your coach? Who was your coach? I played with Derm. I played with Derm. Derm was my coach. Nah, you played with Calvin. If y'all called Derm.

Hey, hey. If you called Derm, Derm would tell you. You played with Calvin. It's only one jingle. Yo, that's what we going to do. He played with Mr. Thompson. The light-skinned nigga from Jersey. You know what I'm going to do, Chase? Because I still speak to Derm will tell you. You play with Calvin. It's only one jingle. Yo, that's what we going to do. He play with Mr. Thompson. You know what I'm going to do, J? Because I still speak to Derm.

I'm going to have Derm make a video and say, Jingles Mace Cameron, give me your order. He not going to remember you. My guy's calling him Mr. Mark Caesar. Yo, I used to talk to Derm all the time. I'm keeping talk to Durham all the time. I'm keeping it real with y'all. Where is Durham going to place you? Durham?

I don't know where he's going to place me. He's going to place me before you. That's on my soul he would not do that. There's no way. Durham ain't never lost with me. He never lost with me on his team. He never lost. Stop. He never lost with me on his team. He never lost. Stop saying that, man.

That's where I get that title town from. He never lost with me. No. He never lost. Oh, you got this. Niggas go to battle. They want murder on their team. They don't want Jing on their team.

They ain't going to win. This is what I'm going to tell y'all. This is what I'm going to tell y'all. As a grown man, I came back to New York, and I played everybody. I played anybody. Y'all know that. See, the problem is this, J. I got to cut you off.

I got to cut you off. I got to cut you off. That's what I keep saying, right? I got to cut you off because we just had this convo on the show the other day. We got a deal at 19 years old. At 19 years old, we got record deals. So once the deal, our basketball career ended at 19. Stop telling us what you did after 19.

It don't count. We wasn't playing no more. It don't count. You did get a deal at 19. But all I'm saying is I still was playing like, look, that's my boy. That's my brother. Why you ain't go overseas? Why you ain't go overseas? Why you ain't go overseas?

I do right. Why you ain't go overseas if you was a killer? And you was going at it. I was a product of my environment. I was a product of my environment. You was a dope dealer now? Nigga, you sonny. Nigga, you paying for now, nigga.

Man, stop. I'm going to walk off. If you say that right now, I'm going to walk off. You a hustler now? Like I said, I was a product of my environment. We ain't got to get that. I'm out of here. I'm out of here.

Hold on. Yo, this nigga is wild. So let me ask you this real quick, because we ought to get right back on. So the reason he didn't make the pros, he was a product of his environment. You saying that, yeah, I ain't even paying G no mind. He is from Lincoln Projects, man.

That's some tough-ass projects. Y'all niggas just crazy. You from some tough-ass projects, I will say that. Definitely from some real-ass projects. Hey, Cam, Hey, Cam. Hold on, hold on. Before you say something, Cam. I ain't never seen you by Lincoln Frye,

the chicken store when you stayed over there with the 600. Yeah, when I had my safe house was over there. Of course, I was right there. Yeah, when I had to join the Lenox Terrace. My man, Cam, what's up, Cam? Yeah. Right, right. Cam, what's up, Cam?

Yeah, but what I'm trying to tell you is my basketball career was over. I was the real product of my environment. That apartment you talking about, there was some other things going on over there. But you're absolutely right. What I want to ask you is this. Two questions. Mace used to call you every day before we got back together, me and Mace. Every fucking day.

This nigga waking me up at 6 o'clock, he on a treadmill, rapping bubble rap, looking like Michelin Man. Talking about Jing, I'm about to lose this weight, Jing. Now he don't call me at all. My number don't even go through.

That's crazy. Yo, Jing, real quick, because we got to wrap it up. What do you got going on? And let everybody know what you have going on in the Seattle-Tacoma area right now and what you've been doing since you've been out there. Well, I've been out here for 31 years

off and on. How you see me in the 600 if you've been out there for 31 years? Your stories ain't matching up. I said, hey, Tim, I said off and on. in the 600 if you've been out there for 31 years. Your stories ain't matching up. I said, hey, Kim, I said off and on. You got that. You got my back.

All right. So let me explain. I just wanted to make a joke. I want people to know what you're really doing out there. I'm sorry. Go ahead. I've been in Tacoma, Seattle, about 31 years. Found my little itch with basketball, you know, knowing the game, knowing, having the knowledge of the game.

First, I started off with a program. Real quick, I started off with a program. It was called Team Washington. Funded it by myself. Didn't have any funding, but, you know, I had a few of my nephews, one of my partner's kids, you know, a few of them that I trained and, you know, just nurtured and brung them up, you know.

They became real good basketball players, took them around the country and played in different tournaments and stuff, you know. Then I started liking it more, and then I started with, you know, then I started liking it more. And then I started with, you know, Tony Roten, started with Tony Roten when he was at Philly, you know, known DeJounte Murray since he was in sixth grade, started training him his college, his freshman year of college. Guy is the hardest working dude, one of the hardest working dudes I ever met in life. We became family. He ain't just a friend.

It's my little brother slash nephew, Malachi Flynn. You know, known him since sixth grade, been training him since sixth grade. It started working for me, you know, just being from New York, having that mentality. You know what I'm saying? Basketball is a mentality. Just having that and trying to show them, you know, just being from New York, having that mentality, you know what I'm saying? Basketball is a mentality, just having that and trying to show them, you know, 90% of basketball is mental toughness, 10% is the game, you know, it started working like that, like it

worked really well for me. They made it, knowing Isaiah Thomas since he was a young boy, watching him grow, you know, doing camps with Sham God, bringing Sham God to Tacoma. He's doing, me and Sham doing camps together, you know, then I started taking it to another level with doing free camps, you know, giving back to the community, giving back to these kids,

you know what I'm saying, that word each one teach one, we all play that little group in New York as, you know, as kids, we all played at that little group in New York as kids. So just coming to that. Now, you know, I got a daughter that's a junior in high school. You know, just giving back to her and her team and her program. So that's what I've been doing.

Well, yo, Jing, it sounds really well. I tell you what you're doing has really paid off. And I want to tell you, first of all, you know, we talk a lot of shit. We all from Harlem. But making out the environment that we all came out of, you, myself, and Mace, it sounds like you have made some amazing strides

and steps moving forward. And I just want to tell you that I'm proud of you. You know, I'm going to tell you that. What I'll say is leaving, before we leave, is you didn't score one point on Jamal Crawford, and you disrespected the whole borough by not scoring a point. And I'm going to end my stuff. I know you got it. Jay, we gave you 20 second minutes.

We gave you 30 minutes. Your time is almost up, Jay. You gave me 30 minutes on the whole almost up, you didn't tell him. Jamal caught me at Mike Tyson when he's old age. Jamal caught me when I was Tyson when everybody wanted to fight him at his old age. I wouldn't have played him,

once you get on the court in North Cusis. We gave you 38 minutes of the show and this is the end of it, Jamal, you had your chance to say what you had to say. You are so petty. Hey, what's that name right there?

What's that name? I'm Uncle Jingle, Stat. If they had a label together, it'd be Tapping You Records. Yo. Heyapping so hard. Yo. Yo, Jimmy, love you, man.

Hey, hold on. Before I go, y'all doing a great thing. Everybody's looking in, viewing in on y'all. It is what it is. I'm proud of you guys. Thank you, man. From the bottom of my heart, I'm here to give flowers. And y'all definitely get y'all flowers

for, you know what I mean, putting this together. You know what I mean? That's part of, you know, the culture is the podcast. I'm definitely,

I'm happy. I know you guys, y'all my brothers. You know what I mean? Keep doing y'all thing. Cam, don't be too petty and tell this nigga

to pick up the phone sometimes. Yo, Jane, we love you, man. Thank you for joining the show, bro. Love y'all, love y'all, love y'all. Love, Cam. Okay, he had his intro. I gotta do the outro. Mason, Beth, the... Hey, Cam and Joe.

That's all the time we have for today. Thanks for watching, and as always, it is what it is. Yeah. That was a good rapper Nigga J