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Well today we are joined with our analyst Maurice Claret
What's up man?
What's going on?
Everything alright? All is well Good man What's up, man? What's going on? Everything all right?
All is well.
Good, man.
What's up?
Well, all is not well for the Timberwolves.
The Mavs beat the Timberwolves 124-103 to advance to the NBA Finals,
their first appearance since 2011.
What do you guys think of the Mavs win Maurice first
uh yeah the um the first thing I think about is uh saying that my coach told me in the 10th grade
10th 11th grade sometime around there shout out to coach Barber and I remember it was a game that I
had um did real bad in and uh when he came to me after the game, he was like, man, before the game, I knew you were going to do bad because I understood your mindset was wrong.
Right. And I didn't know 10th, 11th grade, whenever it was, what he was talking about.
And after that, we sort of went back to practice.
And the next week I sat down with him and what he was talking about was he was like, Maurice, if you put enough preparation in, there will come a time in either a game or life or moments, you'll be able to take the moment.
And that is like what gives you the mindset to believe that you're better than everybody and so on and so forth.
And he was like, your mentality, he was basically separating both of them, like your mentality from your mindset.
Your mentality is basically your approach every day.
from your mindset, your mentality is basically your approach every day.
And when I seen Luka, just to get back to the point of the basketball game,
when I seen Luka, I was thinking to myself, I said, man,
I wonder if Luka got on that plane, got to that hotel,
thought about all his preparation, thought about all of the pundits and his peers and everybody who has said that the Mavs are,
their team could only get so far.
And I wonder, I was like, man, I wonder if he's taking this moment.
It being 3-1, you're on a roll, what do I have to lose?
And I started thinking about that when he started taking the shots that he was taking.
When he took those first few threes, and I know in basketball,
just from being around it with UConn,
they always talk about getting the game going off with high percentage shots.
And when he came out just throwing the ball around
and shooting with confidence, that was like that moment of him saying,
like, man, you know, fuck these dudes.
And I think that that mentality or that mindset was infectious
towards everybody else, and, you know, they dominated.
So I know that wasn't a whole lot about the game,
but it was what went through my mind when I seen the start of the game or just the game in general.
Woo-hoo!
Yo, Mo, let me tell you something.
What's up?
When Luka came out with 20 points in the first quarter, it was clear that this was going to be a long night for Minnesota.
I don't think even with Ant-Man getting busy all through the game,
it just seems as if, like you said, Luka came to play and Luka had remembered something
that has always been stated about him.
I think even Killer said it.
I said it early in the year that does Luka make the team better?
That was the conversation.
And I think he took that upon himself to prove it and say, you know what?
I'm making sure that we make it to the next round.
And Kyrie as well.
He chipped in.
They both had 36.
And this is the performance I was looking for from Kyrie.
This is the performance I was looking for from Kyrie.
But what I would say to this whole entire series, Ant-Man, watch what you ask for.
You ask for this, and you got exactly what you asked for. I mean, I could have told you if you didn't put a call out to the expert,
I would have told you, listen, the more you're going to find out,
you're going gonna find out you're gonna find out and he found out but you know
shout out the ant man shout out to the whole minnesota and the staff and people that wanted
us to come out there and catch a game we definitely gonna catch one next year but you know
I'm definitely going to catch one next year, but you know. Woo.
Killer, what you think?
You going for Dallas now?
Definitely going for Dallas.
I'm not, Shamrock's coach in Dallas.
I'm definitely going for Dallas.
To me, this game was over from the first quarter.
Like May said, Luke out scored the Minnesota Timberwolves
by itself, actually in the first quarter.
I think after watching this game that Minnesota,
my personal opinion, was more worried about not getting swept
than winning the series.
After they didn't get swept, they was like, okay,
at least we didn't get swept because that's what Ant-Man was talking about.
I've never been swept in my whole career.
You've only been in the league a little bit.
You know what I'm saying?
It's your third trip to the postseason.
So it isn't like you have a 10-year career without getting swept.
And that's not an achievement not to get swept.
Of course, it's an embarrassment to get swept,
but it's not an achievement either.
And I think that's what they were more focused on.
We see what happens when Kyrie and Luka Donis go for over 30.
A lot of people, even tonight, hear Reggie Miller, pardon me, last night, hear Reggie Miller saying that this is the best scoring duo backcourt ever.
I disagree at the moment.
People are prisoners of the moment. I'm more ashamed of people like Reggie Miller
who been around way longer than me
getting caught up in the moment.
They just be forgetting Klay Thompson
had 70 points in three quarters.
They didn't even let him play the fourth quarter.
Kobe Bryant had 81.
Like it's fun to watch.
It's definitely exciting to watch both of them.
But President's best backcourt scoring ever is kind of wow.
Let's win a championship or two before we put them in that conversation.
But congratulations to the Dallas Mavericks, the new ownership.
I was really shocked not to see Mark Cuban talk after the game.
It kind of hurt me a little bit.
I'm like, damn, man, I like to see Mark Cuban talk after the game. It kind of hurt me a little bit. I'm like, damn, man, I like to see Mark up there.
And I heard Ernie Johnson after the game saying
he knew that the Dallas Mavericks was going to win
because Sham Guard told him
that it's not going back to Dallas.
So Sham must've knew something that the regular folks
like ourselves didn't know.
This is why I was trying to get them
on the show the other day.
But we got a week before game one
and we'll make sure that we get him up here.
But congratulations to the Dallas Mavericks,
and I'm looking forward to seeing them play the Boston Celtics.
I think it'll be an intriguing matchup.
But as far as the game's concerned, Minnesota didn't put up much of a fight.
There's not really much to talk about.
They was down 30, didn't get closer than 18,
and this thing was put away early.
And then just in general,
do you guys feel like this was a reality check for him?
Yeah, I think so.
Mace was saying, I don't know if people caught it,
when they said, let's just say, fuck around and find out,
and he fuck around and found out.
Yeah, but it's something that he can go back in uh i think it was like the third
quarter when i looked at i looked at like um him he was on the wing and i thought about that this
this is like his jordan moment when they talk about jordan we had to uh do something else to
get past the pistons but that's that's everybody's process to greatness. You go out there and you put your best foot forward
and you might beat up, you know, your local dudes,
but it's always somebody or something that you run into
that you say, you know, preparation could have been better.
My mindset towards practice could have been better.
You know, that's what we loved about Kobe for all these years.
Kobe kept that killer mentality and, you know,
he came a time in his career where he put it all together.
You got to remember when Kobe was, you know,
he was wearing the Adidas, and he had started out, you know,
with the Lakers when he was wearing, when he started off number eight.
You know what I'm saying?
When he started off with number eight, like, he didn't get up.
He didn't put it all together, and it took time,
and it took getting beat up, and it took all those air balls
and playoff games and all that crazy stuff he went through.
But, you know, Ant-Man, I think he's going to be all right.
You know, just seeing him, he's spectacular.
He's electric.
He's going to be fun for fans to engage with.
He's bold.
He reminds everybody what, like, personality used to be like in sports in general.
But it definitely was a reality check of things that he can go do in all season
to take it to the next level.
Yeah, and I also agree with you.
I think
when it comes to this, Ant-Man
thought that a sweep
is 4-0, but a gentleman's
sweep, Charles Barkley, you could go
ahead and tell him a gentleman's
sweep is 4-1, and that's
what he got. He got the gentleman's sweep.
I mean, we like you,
Pauls. We don't want to embarrass you too much, but you got to go home.
I like Ant-Man.
I like what he did.
Whether it worked out for him or not,
I think a lot of niggas are scared to say, to talk on their skill set.
Niggas work hard every day, practice every day, go to the gym.
If they want to talk shit, talk shit.
Now, if you don't deliver on that, you don't deliver on that.
A lot of people is going, oh, Ant-Man, he shouldn't have said that.
I don't really think he said nothing bad.
I think he said next round is we got Kyrie as my matchup.
I'm going to see what we're going to do.
We're in the internet era where niggas take that and turn it into,
oh, the nigga said fuck your mother.
He didn't say that.
And I think that with your preparation
and what you work on, you should be
able to talk shit. Now, did it come out to
them winning? No, it didn't. He had a decent
game. He still had 28 points. It just wasn't
enough. But you got to think about what Dallas
shot tonight. Gafford, another 100%
from the field, even though it was 3-for-3.
Lively 100% from the field.
Dallas shot 55%
from the field tonight, which is amazing.
They shot 44% from three-point land.
So it wasn't like Dallas wasn't shooting the lights out,
and Luka was talking shit.
Now, Luka was in the crowd telling niggas,
yeah, shut the fuck up.
Looking at Snoop Dogg like, what you flew out here for, nigga?
He was talking all that shit tonight.
So it's okay for Luka to talk shit now. Don't get me wrong.
Luka waited till this shit was signed, sealed,
and delivered. But at the end of the day,
that's what it's about, and that's what we're missing.
And we live in such a fucking tender
generation and moment to where niggas be like,
oh, I can't believe he said that.
Reggie Miller
grabbed his nuts in front
of Spike Lee and said, suck dick, get the fuck
out of here, in front of his wife.
I like that.
I like Ant-Man talking shit.
Now, did it work to his advantage?
No, it didn't.
They didn't win.
But that don't mean don't talk no more.
That don't mean everybody got to hush up and humble theyself.
No, it makes for better basketball and better rivalries
throughout the years of the season
because both of these players are 25 and under.
You got Luka, 25.
You got Ant-Man, 22.
I want to see them bicker throughout the years.
You know, you sit there and you listen
to all these stories about how niggas didn't like
Michael Jordan.
Nigga Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley would be in Chicago
to play Michael Jordan.
Michael Jordan would pull up to his restaurant that Charles Barkley was eating and like,
oh, you want to go do this later?
Charles was like, no, I don't want to go do this later.
I don't want to hang out with you, nigga.
No, I got to play you tomorrow.
I don't want to be your friend.
And it's too much of that shit.
So I praise Ant-Man.
I hope that you keep on talking.
Did it work out?
No.
But fuck that.
Keep working hard. talk your shit,
and maybe one day it will.
But now Luka's talking shit,
nobody's saying nothing about that.
Yeah, you're right.
What was the guy named that was talking last year
against LeBron?
See where that got him.
Yeah, well, now he need to shut the fuck up.
I would say those are very different people.
Nah, nah, he need to shut the fuck up. He don't got, listen, let me change this.
When you got sneakers, you could talk.
Yeah.
If you ain't got no sneakers and no apparel, you gotta be quiet nigga.
What if he got a pair of Ling Lings?
Pause.
Yeah, well, that's on him.
I mean, would you wear them?
And he'd talk if he got a pair of Ling Ling's?
Only nigga who got Ling Ling's paws that could talk
is Dwyane Wade.
Besides Dwyane Wade, if you got any other kind
of Ling Ling's paws, you should not be talking.
Dwyane Wade's the only one who could talk
with them bullshit sneakers.
I never seen the nigga say,
yo, you see me in the niggas say,
yo, you see me in the weights?
Like, just quiet.
Okay.
And moving along, Deontay Wilder is going to fight again this weekend.
How do you guys feel about his legacy?
And if he loses this fight,
question is, do you guys think he should retire?
Maurice first.
Yeah, I'm rooting for Deontay because I was a big fan of him when I seen him probably about his 20th fight.
And they had made a big story about him fighting.
I'm almost certain that one of his daughters has like, I don't know if it's cerebral palsy, however you say it.
Or she has some sort of disease that they were talking about he was fighting for. So I was a fan ever since then. of his daughters has like, I don't know if it's cerebral palsy, however you say it, or
she has some sort of disease that they were talking about he was fighting for.
So I was a fan ever since then.
And then I liked when he was knocking everybody out.
But I respect and admire his trilogy with, what is his name, Tyson Fury.
And I see he dropped a few of his last fights.
But I want to see him actually beat the guy tomorrow.
And I see he dropped a few of his last fights, but I want to see him actually beat the guy tomorrow.
And then he's scheduled to fight the kid, Jared Anderson, from Ohio, who's a real good fighter.
If he beats the guy tomorrow, he'll have a lot on his hands to deal with with Jared Anderson, who's a real good heavyweight champion as well. But I really want to see, since he's hooked up with Eddie Hearn, I want to see him and Anthony Joshua finally get their moment. But he has to make a couple good performances in order for this
heavyweight fight to manifest. Because Anthony Joshua actually bounced back too. And so his
name is in good graces after knocking out Ngannou. And I just want to see that fight happen.
So I'm rooting for Deontay. I will tell him this. I don't know if this is the right thing
to say, but anytime I've ever seen a fighter walk to the ring or they come to the ring
and they got their significant other with them, I don't never see it in the whale.
And I hope that he kind of like, even if he sees this clip, takes that to heart,
that I think like in order to get back into that locked-in dog mode where he was knocking dudes out,
you know what I'm saying? Leave everybody at home.
Leave kids at home, mother at home, girl at home, everything at home,
and get back to three, four fights and end your career on a high note.
Deontay Wilder, he's getting up there in age,
so it's important that he stop taking so much punishment pause.
I think that the Fury fight that the last two Fury fights took a great toll on him, and that he's just never
been the same after that.
That's the thing that boxers don't realize.
You can lose a fight, but when you get paused, punished, then it does take something away,
because especially when you're a bully in boxing and you've just been knocking people out,
it's hard to come back from that because how do you fight now with skill and defense when that was never really your fight?
Your fight was always bullying people, walking through people, knocking them down, walking through them.
And now you got to actually learn how to move, how to adjust, how to weave punches, get your head off the line,
all that type of stuff.
And all of the things it takes to be a great boxer, he doesn't do.
He just got an amazing right hand for us.
And so I think if he gets past him, it's still going to be a ways to go
because everybody
is waiting for him.
It's almost like fighting a guy with a great name, but he's pretty much not a shell of
himself.
I don't want to call him a shell of himself, but that's how they're looking at him.
Rob Markman, So Mack...
Rob Markman, Go ahead.
Rob Markman, Now I want to ask you, so kind of like to my point earlier,
you feel like one of the things when he loses,
one thing that gets affected is his mindset,
like where he stops personally believing in himself
based upon some of the things that took place in the past.
Yeah, I think it takes very rare, rare people
can be the same person after a humiliating loss.
I only know a few people that's like that.
And two of them is on this platform right now.
Everybody else, if they go through something, they become a whole different nigga.
It take a real strong minded person to go through something and still tell you, like
I said, nigga, still going to be
a problem.
They're like, yo, this nigga is crazy.
He believes it.
Yeah, he believes it.
You know, Muhammad Ali was like that, but I don't think the fighters today are built
like that.
I really don't believe that.
I think Pac-Man was like that, right?
He get knocked out, he come out next fight, still going crazy.
Not have any reservation to fight.
Most people are not like that.
They become a whole different fighter.
You saw Devin Haney when he was on the interview.
It just seemed like a whole different person
and I don't
like that
I guess I'm going to ask that
question in a different way so
I guess what is it that some people since you
you know and I agree
with you when you say y'all brothers
have went through something and still remain the same people
but what is it that some people lose
and what is it that you all have kept that keeps the same mentality forging
forward?
Rob Markman, It's like an inner belief.
I could say it because even on sometimes I was a bystander watching it.
Like even when I would watch killer battle niggas,
this was the times we weren't even speaking,
but I would watch, like, this nigga killer, he gets it.
He don't care about none of that.
Like I said, I raised him right.
Yeah.
That's exactly what I wanted to say.
But I'm like, he gets it.
He's not backing down from nobody.
I don't care what it's about.
And everybody's just not like that.
Even other people, they talk tough, but when it's the right person,
they act accordingly.
And we're just not like that.
Yeah, I just wanted to make sure. and they act accordingly. And we're just not like that. Yeah.
I just wanted to make sure more.
Yeah, Mason's absolutely right.
Like shit don't phase us cause like for instance,
like be honest with you, like we'll just use our situation.
Like when Mase put the Oracle out,
everybody like he killed Kim.
I'm like to y'all.
That's what I'm saying.
In my brain, that's a great way to explain it.
Like, you have to, that's what he said.
Yeah, we don't accept defeat.
Yeah, and you got to have the inner belief.
That was a great way to put it.
But back to Deontay, Mace is right.
Look, he's getting older. it's a lot of things you
didn't do as a boxer because you had great such great knockout power deontay wilder doesn't jog
he does like you don't jog nigga how you don't go how the fuck you train for a fight oh because
you think you're gonna knock a nigga out by the fifth round that you don't need to jog that what
the fuck are you talking about you don't need to jog? What the fuck are you talking about? You don't jog, nigga.
So then when the rounds, the fight gets into the eight.
What does he do if he don't jog?
Jumping jacks?
Maybe.
He don't jog.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, my nigga, you're bugging.
So you just think, all right, I'm going to get a nigga out of here by five or six.
So then when you see him against Tyson Fury and the rounds is going into the eighth, ninth, tenth round and he has no stamina and he's looking crazy getting knocked all around the ring, you're not prepared for a 12-round fight because you've been knocking niggas out your whole career.
He has 43 wins with 42 knockouts.
So he's not prepared for a long fight.
I even see him training for this fight where they got him, like,
going against a jab and stick for it, so to speak.
And his skill set looks terrible.
Like, everybody was in the comments just laughing.
Like, yo, what's your man doing?
Because now you look stupid trying to learn how to box at 38 years old
because you wasn't trying to do the intangibles, like May said,
because you were such a great knockout artist. Now,'t be liking this shit my personal opinion when niggas try to
sneak to dupont and fight at four in the morning u.s time so nobody know what's going on
that way when you lose nobody saw it like that's what i'm trying to say he did that
like four months ago. He just lost.
A lot of people don't know that because
you're thinking the last fight he had was Tyson Fury.
Nah, that nigga snuck over there
and y'all fucked up his last fight.
He got more than just Tyson
Fury losses. So niggas like, nah,
let's not let America
know what's going on. We'll put you on
prime time. It'll be 3.30 in the morning
over there.
So niggas will be at the club asleep.
So they won't even know.
Now, if you win, we'll pump it up.
If you don't, we'll sweep it under the rug.
I hate when niggas try to go overseas and with the time difference
and don't promote the fight that well
and keep it on the low
because if they get beat,
nobody knows about it.
Like, I don't, I'm pretty sure Mason,
you guys know, I'm not even sure if you knew,
that he got fucked up his last fight out there.
I don't know if people know.
Yeah, I don't know if people know that,
because it was Dubai time or Turkey time
or whatever the fuck time it was over there
to where niggas,
to whatever the fuck time it was over there
that we don't pay attention.
Niggas be like, it be two weeks later,
like, yo, you know Deontay Lawrence,
like, when he fought?
Nobody know when he fought.
So I know Eddie Hearn's doing a different type of marketing
to bring him back where he needs to be.
That was a great point, Mo, talking about maybe eventually fighting Joshua.
But you got to get a couple wins first.
You're on the losing streak currently.
Yeah, Joshua back.
Yeah, so I think both of you guys made some great points.
So with that point, in this era of boxing,
do you guys believe that you can redeem yourself
after two brutal losses?
Race first.
Yes.
The short answer is yes.
And in reference to him, I think, like, when I think of him,
I think of the same, not in the same vein of importance, but I think about Mike Tyson and Mike Tyson knocking people out.
When I think of Deontay Wilder, Deontay Wilder has a shock value where he can knock somebody out to make people go back and say, man, what if he goes and does that against Anthony Joshua?
What if he goes and does that against Anthony Joshua? What if he goes and does that against Jared Anderson?
And I think he can recapture some fame, notoriety, and something that way.
And I don't even think we look at your heavyweight guys the same way you look
at your lightweights, your middleweights, your welterweights in regards to being
undefeated just because it's two different things.
Even when Fury just lost to Usyk, you still don't look at Fury as like
he's been tarnished. You just look at him like, man, he just
lost to a better man. So I don't know if the heavyweight
division has been affected by
the need to stay undefeated.
So I would say
he can redeem himself, but
how he goes out and wins, if he
wins, I think
sets the stage for the Joshua
fight, the Anderson fight.
But it's the same thing that Cam said.
Like, you have to get a few wins up under your belt.
And I think that Eddie Hearns is purposely putting him over there.
So if he loses, you can just sweep it under the rug.
But if he wins, you know, let me go ahead and stand on the top of every mountain and
promote it like crazy.
But that's what I think it is.
I think you can do it.
but that's what I think it is.
I think you can do it.
I think with both of them, Joshua losing and Wilder losing, that now that fight is even more interesting to a degree
because you want to see who can really turn it around.
Right now, either one of them win,
they're still the third and fourth best fighter in the heavyweight division.
I still would have Usyk in front of everybody, and Fury could probably beat both of them.
But can they be redeemed?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
But it comes down to the mindset, and the mindset can only be developed by you know what you're
watching every day who you're talking to every day or what you have on the inside of you and
it doesn't seem like a lot of these fighters today have that i mean usic has it um fury has it
um because we watch wildo knock fury down like four or five times. And each time he got up and then knocked him down.
So that's that mindset that we're talking about.
Like if he get knocked down, do he get rattled or does he believe like,
yo, I'm better than him?
That's his mindset.
To answer the question, can you lose two times and come back and be great?
It depends on who it is.
To me,
even like, to me,
Usyk is not bad than Fury.
And even though he just beat Fury, Fury,
like, I had to rematch, because after the fight, Fury was smiling, drinking, pause, you know.
And I'm not saying that
Usyk isn't tough, because that's a tough-ass nigga.
But to me, personally, Fury, like,
I don't care about the
oh, let's re-up and grab the money.
Because when he told niggas he was going to knock Deontay Wilder out,
everybody thought he was losing his motherfucking mind.
And I think he's one of them niggas that when he puts his mind to it,
he can win.
So I still would.
Because you said one, I would put those two as a tie at the top of the
division, which I shouldn't because you said one.
at the top of the division, which I shouldn't because you said one.
But as far as Deontay Wilder, you could beat, let's say you beat,
you said, let's say you beat Joshua.
You can't beat Tyson Fury.
You can't beat him.
It's not going to ever happen.
Some niggas just got your number.
And I know Styles makes fights, but you can't beat him.
So as much as your best bet is to fight to be number two.
You know what I'm saying?
That's the best bet that you can ever do in the heavyweight division because some niggas just got your number.
And I know he won two times and once was a draw,
but to me he won three times.
Now as far as any other weight class or division,
Mace made a great point talking about Pacquiao.
Pacquiao, get knocked out, get up, fight again, do it again.
He comes to fight.
You know what I'm saying?
So I think Pacquiao gets six, seven, eight losses.
It don't seem like it because he's coming to give his all.
As far as the new generation fighters,
these niggas don't want to lose.
Oh, these niggas don't want to fight each other.
They don't want to motherfucking figure it out.
They want to fight on Twitter. Niggas is fighting niggas. They don't want to see everybody we want want to fight each other. They don't want to motherfucking figure it out. They want to fight on Twitter.
Niggas is fighting niggas.
They don't want to see everybody.
We want to see fight each other.
We want to fight each other.
So to me, a lot of these niggas
all on their record is important to them,
which I dig it.
But at the end of the day,
if you a celebrated fighter
and niggas see you gave it your all,
they're going to come back and see you again.
Yeah, it seemed like Pacquiao, to what you said, Killer, to your point,
now I'm starting to understand that Pacquiao just got knocked out.
So it's different than getting beat up the whole fight for 10 rounds.
And I think that's what's happening to these fighters.
They're getting punished.
I'll make another statement. Yeah for it yeah no with fighters man i just thought about what y'all talked about
yourselves and being able to hold on to just your pride and your belief as a person right
when it comes to just withstand in the storm or whatever and then you talk about fighters
old school versus new school and i think like the place that people are fighting from or what they represent has a lot to do with it and i
think more of these young dudes uh from a fighting standpoint they're more worried about ruining
their chances to cash in like floyd you know i'm saying our lack of better words are whatever big
day fighter and the guy yeah just that's just my opinion uh But people from a different era, it's more like I'm representing myself.
Right.
So Pacquiao ain't ducking no wreck.
You know what I mean?
He feel like he's fighting for us from the Philippines or something like that.
He's like a countryman fighting.
Like, but the same way y'all may represent Harlem.
This is how Harlem niggas get down.
And this is what we do.
And if shit happens to me, this is how I'm standing up.
Right.
That's how I view this.
But it goes back to mindset.
Like, who do you believe you are is going to determine, like,
how you approach everything.
And I think, like, just what younger dudes is more tied to the external materialism.
Even with Deontay Wilder, I would say with him, right,
did he lose his mindset after he got paid, or was it about him representing himself?
And I know I didn't say that kind of clean,
but I think y'all kind of get what I'm talking about.
See, with me, my personal opinion real quick,
when it comes to different people outside of America,
you're not just fighting for you.
You're fighting for your country.
Out here, we trying to win for the state, the East Coast,
the West Coast, Midwest.
These things fight for the country.
Pacquiao was doing so well that he was going to run for president.
Like, yo, I know you got no political experience, nigga.
You just keep winning, and you could become the president.
He started losing.
Nigga said he owed tax money.
Like, you got to win to stay afloat.
You feel me?
Shit is wild, though.
Nigga said, nigga, you caught two losses.
Nigga said, nah, you ain't pay your taxes in a minute.
Nigga winning, he a congressman running for president.
So it's bigger than boxing to me,
depending on where you're coming from.
Okay, so now let's talk business real quick.
So the NBA TV deal has doubled its value,
almost tripled,
and it could pay up to $76 billion over 11 years.
Do you guys think you'll see older guys attempting to stay around longer?
And would that affect their legacy on Air Maurice first?
Yes, I definitely think that a lot of this stuff will affect their legacy. I think one, two,
two answers, right? The first answer is yes.
I think guys will stay around longer,
and guys who have, you know,
made some money at the beginning of their careers,
but now they see, hey, you know,
my payout for what I've been doing
is probably triple or quadruple what it was before.
I know y'all remember probably about eight, nine,
10 years ago when, you know,
they had Matthew De La Vadova, who had made like $8 million in a previous
year.
He didn't make that much money.
So I do see guys trying to stay around longer.
And then,
and then ruining their legacy.
I think that's another thing.
It all,
it all depends on who you're talking about and what they care about and
what they want to be known as and what they want to be involved in as
they leave.
If it's a guy who doesn't care what he's doing after the game of basketball
and just going to float out in life and get lost and do the bare minimum,
he probably wouldn't view it as ruining his legacy.
But for somebody who wants to walk out of the game on top
and don't want to be seen as a benchwarmer
or don't want to be seen as, like we call it, a journeyman to seen as a, like we call it, like a journeyman of some degree.
I think that guy or that person who was probably a star at some point,
who's probably getting a check just from his name,
I think that guy has the potential to ruin his legacy.
And, you know, that's just my thoughts on it.
Yeah, I think the type of money that's going to be added to the NBA, the NFL, even the WNBA is going to be a must that they stay around.
I can see people now playing 17 years, 16 years.
You know, they're going to start playing even longer, Paul, because the money that they could re-up for,
even the
minimum is going to be different you see we're just at the beginning stage of caitlin clark
getting here so now even the conversation of what type of money the wmba can make is going to start
going higher and higher and i think with those television contracts and things of that nature, we're going to
see a lot of people getting $300, $400 million.
And I mean, we're going to really see probably somebody get $500 million.
And it's going to be really crazy that people are really becoming billionaires and making
a billion dollars just playing the sport that they love, that they've been playing since they were five years old.
I think it's phenomenal.
Yeah.
A lot of players are staying longer.
I think about the people that we grew up watching.
I'm talking about me and Mace's age.
They're not very long careers.
Isaiah Thomas, 13 years.
Larry Bird, I think 12 years.
We're looking at LeBron James in
his 21st year. Think about Al Hofford. He's in his 17th year. Mike Conley's in his 17th year,
if I'm not mistaken. Of course, people take care of their bodies. They're eating better,
medicine, training different. People are going to stick around longer. Are they going to make
the max deals that the younger players are doing? Absolutely not. But yes, they're going to stick around longer. Will it
mess up their legacy? That's what we have to see
because think about this right now. We're going to the
championship next week and
all the all-stars outside
of Kyrie Irving are under 30 years old.
Jalen Brown's under 30.
Jason Tatum's under 30.
Luka's under 30. Now, don't get me wrong,
you have to roll players around, so on and so
forth. I just mentioned Al Hoffman and, of course, Kyrie Irving.
But we have some superstars or slash all-stars that's under 30 years old,
so they're going to get a lot of money.
The question is, is people like Kevin Durant going to mess up his legacy?
Is Steph Curry going to mess up his legacy?
Because they're still playing at a high clip, but they're getting older.
And right now, that was the question leading into the playoffs.
Are we going to miss these guys?
Are we going to get familiar with the new cast, so to speak,
when the playoffs start this year?
And I'm not mad at the new cast.
I'm not mad at watching Shea.
I'm not mad at watching Luka.
I'm not mad at watching Jason Tatum.
I'm not mad at watching Jalen Brunson.
So it's up to the older players to be like,
nah, don't get too familiar.
Because what happens is if you start getting eliminated
every year in the first round and don't make the playoffs,
now you're just a nigga we're looking at in the regular season.
And the new players are going to be the ones saying,
y'all niggas still on that shit.
It's cool.
We'll see y'all at the championship.
So it determines, we'll wait and see
if it messes people's legacy up.
But you know, you have people like Kobe Bryant
who could have played years longer than he played,
but he said, I'm not a 16-point-a-night nigga.
If I'm a Mon Correa, Mon Correa has to dwindle down
to me averaging 14, 15, 16 points.
I'd rather give the game up.
But with all this money coming in, even an average salary,
if you grab $90 million at 39 years old, that ain't bad.
You know what I'm saying?
And especially if you're still playing at a good clip
and you're looking at a bum-ass nigga make $212 million,
it's going to piss you off.
But listen, think about the older players who are not playing.
Think about, just think about Charles Barkley,
who has to look at these niggas getting the money.
Think about Shaq, who has to look at these niggas.
Not the new contract.
The contract in the last 10, 15 years.
They like, man, listen, I would have killed these niggas.
So every generation is going to get more money
because it's new money coming out.
And the players of the past are going to be like money because it's new money coming out.
And the players of the past are going to be like,
that's fucked up.
We got to think about it.
Michael Jordan's a billionaire, not because of basketball.
Of course because of basketball,
but not the money that he made in the NBA.
Because of sneakers.
Michael Jordan for a career made $111 million.
Let's put that into perspective.
Niggas is making that in two seasons,
depending on who you are.
$111 million throughout his NBA career. Niggas is making that in two seasons, depending on who you are.
$111 million throughout his NBA career.
Yeah, jumping from the following.
Yeah, so it's just to show the times, the popularity, the NBA.
It's not just an American sport, a North American sport.
It's a worldwide sport.
David Stern took it to the next level.
You have to give him props because of that.
And it is what it is.
So to answer the question, yes, players are going to play longer.
I don't have the answer to see if their legacy is going to be messed up.
That has yet to be determined.
With that, we're going to go to break.
When we return, we will talk about the direction the sports industry is going.
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Now I'm out here and I'm looking for more chandeliers and light fixtures. Welcome back.
Now let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day.
And today we're going to do a baseball pick because y'all know Underdog got all the sports.
So there is a pick for a $10 entry.
If you get it, you get $360.
Real smooth, real easy.
So Andrew McCutcheon plays for the Pittsburgh Pirates.
He's at half a home run.
So do you guys think he will have a home run so you can choose higher or lower base?
Half a home run. I mean, they don't think they're gonna get one boy so i'm gonna go higher yo larry you my expert for the lower
lower my nigga that's my yeah no no get your own analyst murder
get your own people cold cold cam, me and Larry.
Yeah, I got my baseball.
I got my put-up camera on my baseball analyst right there.
Yeah, we in the books right now.
Yeah, so.
You can't look up.
Yeah, so.
If you're Spanish, it's Lottie.
So we going lower.
Lower, okay.
And Jazz Chisholm Jr. plays for the Marlins.
Also at half a home run, you got him getting one or not?
Lower.
Lower.
Lower. Lower.
I nigga know that baseball.
It ain't easy to get a home run, so I see it.
All right.
This is specialty, though. That's what he do. They say half a home run. They don't think he's easy to get a home run, so I see it. All right. This is specialty though, that's what he do.
They say half a home run,
they don't think he's gonna get one.
Real quick, a lot of people don't know when,
and we had some, you know, a person die,
God bless the dead, and we just moved to Las Vegas,
but a lot of people don't know that Larry was the writer
for SLO-KS, he was actually the writer behind the scenes for the
baseball show that we had
in Miami. Maybe we'll
pick that back up. We just moved locations.
But yeah, that's my baseball expert.
He's the one putting the whole script together
for that show. Okay, Lottie.
It's Lottie.
Yeah, Lorenzo.
Fire.
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Okay, download the Underdog Panties app and you can make your picks too.
We are joined back with our analyst, Maurice Claret.
So with the amount of money that will be in the game moving forward
with college, NFL, NBA, honestly across all sports,
what can we expect to see happen to the sports industry as a whole
that we haven't seen happen before in the past 10, 15 years?
Maurice first.
Yeah, I think on two fronts.
I think a lot of, I think the passion that we've probably grown up to love and see from guys will be tamed.
And the reason that I say that is that anytime you have big business enter the chat,
and I'm talking about what college athletes sharing in revenue now, TV contracts going up for both NFL and NBA,
there's always going to be a group of people on the other side talking about what's the formula.
And when somebody says what's the formula, you lose all spirit.
Y'all know what I'm talking about, man.
And it's the same thing as –
Just enough.
Yeah, it's the same thing as like, you know,
when they started going into like sports science, right,
and, you know, you put these heart monitors on
and you get X amount of reps and X amount of rebounds
and you go do load management and you can only do so many sprints.
And I understand that there's a time and place for it,
but then there's the coaches and the admin and the business people
who start to look at human beings as commodities, you know what I'm saying, at the end of the day.
And I think that you'll, the sports in general will start to look the same way the music game looks now,
where it's controlled by formulas.
And I'm not saying, I'm not articulating my point very clean.
Hopefully y'all can talk about it a little bit more and get what I'm saying,
but it'll start to look like that and less like originality, passion.
Like Ant-Man is what I think we all love old school about sports.
We're just the passion, originality, the speaking your mind,
the talking shit, all of that.
I think as you get into a more corporate structure,
it's let's get the Russell Wilsons, let's get the clean cut guys who gives us X result, and we can
market that because we'll get that, if that makes any sense.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense when you think about it.
I think we all know an athlete that we probably play with, whether in high school, college,
or whatever level, that this person was doing just enough
to make it to the next place.
You know, they understand I could do this,
this would get me into college, I could do this,
and it could get me into the pros.
Like, it is exactly what happened to the music business.
It became less about originality and more about analytics and numbers.
Like, you got the numbers, we'll do it.
But so the person that's like Michael Jackson right now
doesn't get that shot because they're going with the numbers.
They're going with the best marketer
or all of that type of stuff.
When Mo say, yo, niggas was like, so what's the formula?
Mo, why would they ask what's the formula?
So they can make money.
We need to figure out who-
That is a better question. Because of who, why are they need to figure out who... That is a better question.
Because of who, why are they trying to figure out the formula?
I don't know.
The answer is because of us.
Niggas say, yo, what the fuck we got to do?
Yo, what is the formula for this shit they got going on?
Like, do we get some rappers and throw them in there?
Oh, yeah, yeah. Do we get some rappers and throw them in there? Oh, yeah.
Do we let niggas smoke on this set?
Yeah, yeah.
Do we let niggas come on national TV and say,
nigga, and act like we didn't recognize that they said nigga?
What's the formula to get this magic of lightning in the bottle.
So, yeah, when you
said that, I like that answer because
I think it's just trying to scratch in the air and say
what we got to do?
You know where he figured the formula out?
And it's been almost a year. And listen,
I hate to keep bringing him up
or talking about him or anything else.
Give him a new name then.
Nah, I won't.
But do you agree, Mase, and even you more,
that Skip is just trying to throw shit everywhere,
trying to figure the formula out?
Is this a nigga looking for the formula?
If it's just me, I could be bugging.
I could be picking on niggas.
But to me, it seemed like he like, damn, man, we started the show with the nigga, the Richard
Sherman nigga, the Michael Irvin, Keyon, and let's get Lil Wayne on front.
And listen, once we told Lil Wayne, that's my brother.
Like, Lil Wayne is dipshit.
That's my bro, bro. So anytime I'm talking about, it's never no shots Lil Wayne, that's my brother. Lil Wayne is dipshit. That's my bro-bro.
So anytime I'm talking about it, it's never no shots to Lil Wayne.
I love that nigga.
Like a first-first cousin.
So I just bring it up because I find it funny, Skip, with Pam.
And I know Lil Wayne don't move for less.
Lil Wayne costs money.
Lil Wayne costs money.
So there's more props to him.
The way he say, okay, let me get Bubba Dub.
Ain't he the internet sensation? me grab a bubba dub matter of fact didn't paul pierce have the strippers he had
strippers right let him get away with a nigga every now and then and whatever else in between
that i'm not that i didn't talk about so yeah niggas is definitely looking for the formula but
stat what's the exact question i just wanted to capitalize off what mo said when he said looking
for the formula yeah so with all this money being, you know,
in sports, specifically leagues,
what do you see happening to the sports industry as a whole
that we haven't seen happen in the past?
Niggas are getting richer, man.
You know, niggas is getting richer.
The key is this, though, to be totally honest.
This is a lot of money.
And now that the NCAA can pay players,
NIL is involved.
Football, baseball always been a rich-ass sport.
Basketball contracts are going up.
The key is for players to keep the hunger
because that's really key
because you can start making outside of your contract.
Of course, it's a rookie contract coming into the NBA.
I'm not sure how it works in the NFL or baseball,
but your endorsements could quadruple or ten times more
than what your rookie contract is.
So keeping the hunger and keeping the fire after you already get the money,
that's Sin's biggest problem. Niggas get the money, they ain't hungry no more.
I said, son, I don't go for everybody, man.
But it's going to be a fact actually with certain people
because you get the money and you be like,
okay, I got what I wanted.
I just wanted to play two and a half years,
open up a bunch of chain, a chain of IHOPs anyway.
This was never my dream to be in the NBA.
It's like, and I'm not talking no disrespect either,
what I'm about to say is like Snoop's son,
Snoop moved to Vegas so his son could be top,
one of the top football players ever.
High school, he getting ready to go to USC,
and then when he gets to USC, he's like,
I don't want to play.
This isn't my dream.
This is your dream. And it's like like you know snoop supporters of support him of course like a great
dad but it's like bro you could have told me this three years ago and we could have focused
on something totally yeah totally different that was UCLA right and and he didn't he went to school
for two weeks you know what I'm saying so So it's about after you get in the money,
the passion to still do what you want to do.
You know, it's like I told this story on the show before,
and I wasn't being disrespectful.
I'm just telling you where my mindset was at
when me and Just Blaze got to a back-and-forth combat,
and he's like, no, Cam, I don't want to really be a producer.
I want to do Wall Street to be actually.
And at that point, I really couldn't understand it.
So I wasn't trying to be belligerent and dissing when I was up there.
I was just telling you where my monster was at.
But listen, my nigga, if you make your fire beats,
and I'm thinking that's the way I'm eating,
I don't want to hear your Wall Street story.
I want to keep my shit going. You know what I'm eating. I don't want to hear your Wall Street story. I want to keep my shit going.
You know what I'm saying?
So it's really about keeping the hunger, for me, my personal opinion,
after you get all this money that you're about to get.
So I'm not sure exactly where the kids and the young men
or the young women are going to go moving forward.
But to answer that question, it's going to be a lot more money
and a lot more richer athletes out there.
Yeah, and there's one group that we're leaving out,
the Baby Mother Association.
They're going to get, we're coming up on a time
where baby mothers are going to make eight figures.
What you said.
Through child support.
What you said.
If you live in the state of Georgia,
it's still 300 to Georgia.
Gotta go to Atlanta.
Yeah.
But outside of ATL,
they gonna be getting cash.
Could you think about it?
Like right now, they're hearing this too.
I'm just going to add a little.
Oh, Maurice, you can go.
No, as Cam was talking, it went through my mind that they say
the putting the money into AAU basketball is what ruined AAU basketball.
And I wonder if, you know, this is basically the same way that,
and I hear this from former players or NBA players.
They all talk about it, right?
And I just wonder if that same mentality or the same thing is going to affect,
you know, just these other sports and all the youth league systems
just because of so much money now.
I was just going to add real quick.
I just think it allows also players to be more
multifaceted where sports doesn't have to be the only avenue because I mean, they're profiting off
of their brands and their personality, which I'm seeing a lot more of, which I think is pretty
cool. They like clothing, they can do clothing, music, vlogs, like we're seeing different sides
of them that I didn't really get to see before. So I think that's the cool thing, merging that
and social media as a whole for these athletes. and then last question before we wrap with all this money
being involved is there such thing as enough money or should you play as long as they're paying
you where do you draw the line on getting as much of all you can?
Very, very, very good question.
And I think this goes back to some of what I said earlier.
It all comes down to you and how you feel about yourself.
Because like, I'll say this, right?
And I can only use this based on Ohio, right?
And I said, man, in Ohio, I said, man, you can't spend $30,000 a month, right? And I said, man, in Ohio, I said, man,
you can't spend $30,000 a month, right?
And I said, if you live a normal life,
if you just go on about your business, you're not about to spend $30,000 a month
doing anything, right?
And I said, at some point,
money to live your day-to-day life,
it doesn't cost that much, right?
And I think at every level, in every city,
be it New York, be it LA, be it Houston, be it Miami, and everybody has a bigger threshold,
I say it gets to a point where money just doesn't mean the same thing. And so I think like,
and I'm missing the question, but I wanted to make a point, but in every space, everybody goes
to that to say, I forget the points I'm making, but everybody goes to a point where money just doesn't have the same value at a certain point.
And I think you holding on to your integrity or you doing things for the right reason has to come into play,
regardless of how much money is at stake. Right. And so that's kind of like the thought I wanted to have around.
I don't know if I said it clean or clear.
I kind of messed two or three thoughts up today, but hopefully that started, that can
start the conversation.
But I think y'all know what I'm talking about because y'all both have a bunch of money,
but it gets to a point where there's not something that somebody can give you all that will make
a significant difference in y'all life that will move you or have you ruin something that
you've built.
And I think that's the major point I'm trying to make.
Outside of El Chapo, Pablo Escobar, Boston George, I ain't hear niggas say I got too
much money.
Them niggas said they had too much money because they was running from the government.
They got to buy apartments to keep money in. This, that, and the other. I can't have too much money because they was running from the government. They got to buy apartments to keep money in.
I can't have too much money.
Give me some.
I need more Gaddafi money.
Seven trillion, nigga.
I'll find something to do with it in Ohio.
I don't know what the limit on too much money is.
Just me personally.
I can't have too much money because it's something to do with somebody you know who needs some money. You know somebody who may have an idea
that you want to invest in. Maybe I want to buy, I want to fuck off, pause on flying private
jets for 17 years straight. Just me personally. As far as the athlete is concerned i think it goes back to where
i it depends on the type of athlete you are and i know i'm using this person two times on the same
show but it's like kobe bryant when he said he doesn't want to average 14 15 16 points that means
you know what i've made enough money to be financially stable for the rest of my life, whether it be NBA, whether it be sneakers,
whether it be other investments, so on and so forth.
And some people may be like, man, I need this last two years,
so I'll be all right.
I don't fuck the money up.
I got to play two more years to make sure I'm good.
So the answer to the question, it depends on the type of athlete you are,
how much you saved, how much you won,
because we're always hearing about athletes going broke
or don't have enough money or fuck something up as far as money's concerned.
So it depends on who you're dealing with.
I don't think it's an amount to say I've made too much money.
Everybody's money is different. You can sign a deal for $200 million
with Orlando Magic, or you can sign a $200 million deal with the Los Angeles Lakers.
You're not going to finish with the same amount because taxes in California are way more than taxes in Florida. State tax, working tax, IRS tax.
So when you sit there and say you make $200 million, you might leave with $98 million when
it's all said and done, maybe less than that. They did a breakdown of how much LeBron makes,
and it was sad that it was under 50%, which he was going to make after everything was said and
done because of taxes.
Now if you live in the state of Florida, taxes are lovely. A lot of people move to Florida for that
that specific reason. Nevada, taxes are lovely, but depends on where you live
because where you live, what you make and what you pocket are two different things.
Agreed? I agree.
Go.
Okay, well, Maurice, thank you for being here.
Mo, we appreciate you, boy.
My man.
See you next week.
Okay.
That's all the time that we have for today.
Thanks for watching.
And as always, it is what it is.