IT IS WHAT IT IS - MICHAEL IRVIN IS BACK FOR SEASON 7 AND WE PRESS HIM ABOUT DEM COWBOYS!!

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

Ma$e, Cam’ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one FOR SEASON 7!! The summer has belonged to Michael Irvin and HE'S BACK for another season with the crew to talk all about the Cowboys Netflix special and how Uncle Mike stole the show, how he's stealing the spotlight once again and Killa presses him about being the reason the Cowboys dynasty fell apart in the 90's! Next, we gotta address the Cowboys trading away Micah Parsons to the Green Bay Packers and how Mike got played out by his Boys (it be your own) Lastly, is GB now a serious threat in the NFC and what's next for Shilo Sanders! Welcome Back! (0:00) The Playmaker Is Back (10:00) Questions For Mike (12:30) Parsons Traded To Packers (19:45) Packers NFC Favorites? (51:00) What's Next For Shilo Sanders (59:15) ***NEW MERCH*** https://www.itiswhatitismerch.com Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Sign up with promo code IIWII and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-itiswhatitis #UDpartner Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson , Producer Ayooo Nick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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along with your host, Mace, and Cam. Killer was good, man. Yeah, what's up, man? Yeah, man. Stack come back looking like a young Diana Ross with the big hair and all that. Tracea, Ryan Ross. I love that, yeah, a 20-25-90s look and all that with the big...

We like that. And look, she must be promoted. And look, she must be promoted. and the lip gloss because he got to join on you. You get money from the lip gloss? They paid it. Fenty. Paying you and all that.

Oh, man. That's what's up. Everybody looking good. I missed y'all, man. I missed all, too. That's what's up. Underdog back in the building. Yo, it's been a nice, nice summer, man.

Yeah, man. That's what's up, man. What did you do for this summer, can? I ain't really do too much. I went on a little, I'm on a yacht a couple times with my son. I kind of lay low, wrote a screen. playing, a new movie, wrote some songs. I did a lot of writing.

Did a lot of writing. I didn't do too much. Went on one to two trips. That's about it. What about you? Went to wrong. My son had a polo game. Okay.

You went the wrong for you? Did you buy your son a horse? I know you said your son you had to buy your son a horse for. Yeah, he kept saying he could only play one quarter. He needed another horse for the other quarters. How much do a horse course for us? Oh, man. A lot.

Oh, okay. I don't want people in my business. You know that you watch. I feel you. I ain't mad at you. But you do this so much. I traveled. I had a good little reset.

I went to Mexico. Okay. Yeah, I had a lot of fun. But I miss you guys. It's weird not being with y'all because I'm with you almost every day. So it's like, eh. I miss you too, man.

I missed everybody, man. So really quick, because I know we talked about our summer. And you guys know I like to celebrate things. And Mace, you did have a birthday that just passed. Yeah. I have a little surprise because I know, you know, your Spanish is just so good, you know, as a student of Title Town You, I learned some Spanish,

so I had to bring back something for you. And I know that, you know, you could speak a little something. So I have a surprise, and they come through right now. Oh, shit. It's only right, right? It's only right. Oh, shit. He better sing in a lot of you.

You know her like to celebrate this. Oh, I see these things in a way. Happy break me. Hey. Hey. Hey. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, my pleasure to felicita. There you get a lot of these. There you go. There you go. This is my part.

It's my part. It's my part. Oh, is your part? It's my part. That's your fire. That's your fire. That's your fire. That's your fire.

It's all right. They're singing it wrong. Thank you very much. How did I sing it right? Happy birthday to you. Thank you. Piquita, Piquito,

Piquito, Piquito, Piquito, Piquito, Biquito. Oh, no. Thank you. Thank you. Grazias. Grazie. Grazie.

Thank you. That was a good surprise, man. I had to do it. That was very surprised. That was why. That was, you know, happy birthday. They were singing it a little differently than they're supposed to go. Okay.

What was the right word? I don't have time, man. Got it. Got it. That was real. That was the real Spanish. You speak niggas Spanish. You speak niggish Spanish.

That was with a Spanish right there. That was hot. How to do it? How to celebrate you for a half birthday? Wanted to bring that to the show because y'all know I like celebrations. Oh, man, Stan, that was a way. How do you do that? You guys.

Now I got an upstart tomorrow. Yeah. I got to bring something tomorrow. So I'm sure you guys could also hear him in the background. You guys know today we have our very special guests, our NFL analyst, Michael Irvin. Mike, welcome back to the show. Brazilian Mike was good. My man, Mike, what's good?

Mike, man, I miss you like a motherfucker. Mike, what's happening, man? What's good? I miss you, how you been? You know, Mike, I miss y'all, too, man. Mike, you got your hair like you, like a wiring? What's going on, Mike? Yo, Mike, I'm just letting the run loose right now.

You know what I mean? Yo, Mike, I ain't going to lie. You hotter than a fire crack out there right now. My nigga, the last three weeks, you was on fire. I hope you get paid for all this shit you're doing. No doubt. That's always part of the equation. I already know.

But listen, I really do miss you guys, man. It's so funny, because we have so much fun during the season. That, you know, and everybody be looking for a break doing, because I'm going to do this in the off season. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. And then when you get the time away, you were like, man, you know, I miss hanging out with those guys.

Let me tell you. And Mace, I can't believe you just told those Spanish people that they didn't sing their song, right? Did you just say that? And I hear that. Hey, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, I'm an expert. That was just me. So audacity in that.

It doesn't change, Mike. You know more Spanish, the Spanish people are right? Yeah, Mike, you see what I got to deal? This is what I got to deal with. This is shit I got to deal with. Exactly. You're joking. Are you joking?

Are you joking? Those people came in, people kind of got some records and all kind of stuff. And he was like, you're not singing it right. What? You know, this nigga. This what I'm telling you. Hey, let me tell you so.

I've been to Brazil, dog. I've been to, you know, Jamaica. I've been everywhere. Yeah. I went everywhere that they don't speak English. Because that way, nobody can say, if they don't speak English, nobody can ever say, my God, everything did it.

did it. If they don't speak English, we don't know what to be English. Yeah. Now, listen, Mike, we got to get to the topics, but I have a couple questions before Stack gets to the topics because, you know, I know we've been staying in contact over the summer

week to week, every few weeks we tap in, but I tap in with you in the last three weeks, and I have a couple of questions. My first question is this. Are you getting paid by the University of Miami to be on the sideline or just just alumni shit that you're doing right now.

Because this is two seasons I've seen you. Is this part of the payroll? Are you doing this for the love? No, no, now, now, now that's the one place that no check is coming from. That's the one place, that's the only place that is not delivering a check. As a matter of fact, now, let me tell.

Coach Merrick, Christopher, he calls me all. You'll call me and say, man, I want you to come see the boy. I want you to come talk with their got kids. He said, I'll fly in. I said, coach, you know, I raised Mario. He came after me. I raised him.

I said, man, I'm going to assist you in every way possible. You ain't got to fly me nowhere. Just tell me where you want me, and I'm going to be there. And then I come to one game. We get on a row. And then the kids always, oh, we need you here. And then I get stuck into that thing, you know what I'm saying? And we just ride it out, man.

But it's so incredible being on the sideline with those boys watching that game. My back feels like it's about to crack right now, but that's okay. We won that game and we own our role right now. We look good this year. We really do look good. Just like the Cowboys. Second question, let me ask you this. Don't even try that.

Don't even try that. No, no, we're going to get to that. We're going to get to that. We're going to get to that. We're going to get to that. You're the Mike. Just like the. I got one more question before we get it to it,

because we didn't really officially start to show you. I got one more question. Now, seeing a Netflix special, which was outstanding, man. Best documentary I've seen since the last dance. The Gambler and his Cowboys featuring Jerry Jones, of course, Michael Irvin is basically the star this documentary, and it's a great, great documentary. And for the people who haven't seen that Netflix documentary,

make sure you go see it. It's incredible. I haven't seen anything that good since the last dance. Now, but a lot of people may not know, but I was just get into it and try and keep it brief. It was a lot of, you know, what I got from it was that Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones didn't really get along over this Hershey Walker trade situation. And what I want to ask you is this, not really about that. I want to ask you a question. Do you think if Jimmy Johnson stayed there, do you think Jimmy Johnson not.

staying there was the reason that you guys didn't win three titles or maybe four in a row or possibly five or do you think the lack of chemistry from the team fell apart? You know, I was talking about that with Eric Williams and at Troy on my podcast and we were talking about it. The answer is absolutely we would have won five in a row. I really believe we could have won five in a row. Now, Eric, hold on. You're saying one five in a row of Jimmy State.

Five in a row. Okay, got you, got you. Five in a row. Five in a row. When I said this to Eric, Biggie, he said, man, I don't know, man. Jimmy drove us like slaves, man, you know, because he worked us hard. You know, he worked us hard. He said, I don't know if we could have withstood that long being beat that hard.

I said, but if Jimmy would have got us to four, we could have got that last five or, you know what I'm saying, without him. Listen, when you look at that documentary, I guarantee you Jimmy looks back at it and says, hmm, that was on me a little. Because the reality is Jimmy was monomonic, singularly focused about the football side. Jerry was seniorly focused about the business side. And if Jimmy just waited around and didn't let the media get into it, he was going to promote Jimmy as the greatest coach, just like he promotes the Cowboys is the greatest.

team, even when they're not winning. So ultimately, ultimately, everything Jerry did to grow the league, that's why it's worked hundreds of hundreds of billions now, was right. Everything Jimmy did to grow that team was right. But the media got in between both of them and started running back saying, he said this, he said that. And then that blew it up. See, murder, this is the thing.

The reason I asked them this is because I just want to set up. precedent of accountability and Mike's not taking accountability. Mike, you fucked the whole shit up. You fuck the whole shit up, Mike. You started bugging season three. You started, we're not going to blame Jimmy. It's your fault, Mike. You started whaling.

You wanted to go to the White House. You wanted to start doing wild shit. Don't blame Jimmy. This is solely your fault, Charlott, and win four or five championships. No, no, no, no, Mike. You started wet on me. You was thinking that you was bugging because you was

that nigga. No, no, no, no, no. We're not going to do no accountability this season, Mike. It's your fault. You was wilding. You was bigger than the program. And, you know, you was bigger than the shield, Mike. You came big bigger than the star in the helmet. And you was feeling yourself. Back to back Super Bowls. You wanted to go to them tellies. You wanted to get the White House. You said, I'm going to do what the fuck I want to do. And you solely fucked up them three championships. And now, don't get me wrong, your offensive, um, tackle, he got hurt, but you, Mike, you was the man and you started your feeling, feeling yourself, and you fucked up the back-to-back championships. I'm not blaming Jimmy. I'm not blaming nobody but you.

Put it on me. It's your fault. It's your fault, Mike. It's your fault. And that's what we're not going to do the season. We're not going to do, not taking accountability. Go ahead. Okay, let me, let me tell you who fault I believe it is. I don't know. It's Mike Gillette's fault. Who? It's Mike Gillette's fault. It's the district attorney's fault.

You know, I don't believe that it was me in the hotel. That wasn't a problem. I had done that the year before and the year before that, and we still won the Super Bowl. So that wasn't the problem. It's them bushing in the door and wrecking it. No, guarantee, you should have left me alone. You should have left me alone. I had done it the year before and the year before it came out right.

It would have came out right. If they just left alone, Mike, it would have been tight. Yo, let me tell you, son, no, Mike, I ain't gonna lie to you. I was gonna wear my mink today, because you said the mink was necessary. I walked up to TV and gave the TV a five. I said, yo, niggins said the mink was necessary. You was 100 degrees out, but the mink was necessary. I was going to win my mink today just for that.

I said, now, I fuck with Mike. I rewind that part five times when Mike said, the mink was needed. It was necessary. It was necessary. I don't give a fuck if it was 95 degrees out. We had to set a precedent. Not special teams. The mink was needed, my nigga.

I appreciate that, Mike. But we'll get into more about the documentary as the weeks go on because it's a lot to talk about stat. For sure. Okay. So, Mike, you will not be catching a break. I'm just letting you know that right now because Dallas fans have been through it.

Maybe you think something different. Because from Luca, now to Micah, the Cowboys traded Micah Parsons to the Packers, where he signed a 180. 88 million dollar deal making him the highest paid non-quarterback in the league in return Dallas receives two first round picks and defensive lineman kenny clark mike what do you grade this trade a being great f being the worst on the cowboys end how you feel it honestly man it And all the way around, not, not, and I'm talking about, honestly, for both sides, for the Dallas Cowboys and for Michael Parsons, Michael Parsons did what was best for his agent. I don't know that Michael Parsons did what was best for Michael Parsons. And I had made a statement about this. Jerry blew it. And they let the ego got in the way, the feelings got in the way, the emotions got in the way of these guys battling.

I needed Michael Parsons to go in and say, y'all two going to stop this madness and set up on my money the right way. I ain't got time to be going back and forth with all of these guys. Let me tell you something why I said it. When you ultimately look at Michael Parsons' numbers, they're going to come out about $42 million a year over the next five years. Great, great, great, great, great numbers. Now, if Jerry was going to try to make him pay on a $24 million deal, then I'm going anywhere. I'm not staying at Dallas because I'm not paying him $24 million. million, 21 million when I got 150 guaranteed to me somewhere.

So I'm going. But for what Michael Parsons wanted and what Michael Parsons had on the table right here, right now, he wanted a relationship with ownership. He had that. Green Bay Packers don't even have an ownership. What's going to be his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, he had a podcast that was worth a hundred million dollars as long as he had that stall on the side of his helmet.

Ain't no damn body going to listen to him in Green Bay. You understand what I'm saying? So he did what was best for the agent, but I don't know if he did what was best for Michael Parsett. I know damn well the Dallas Cowboys ain't do what was best for them because they have a team that can score points. And once you score points, you're going to need

to get to the quarterback. And you just had the best one to do that, go. So I'm telling you, this is like a Z. A Z. Wow. I think it was a beautiful. trade. Because, you know, I know people in Milwaukee. And when you think about everybody out in Wisconsin, they just had a big old flood. Everybody's house was damaged. This was the best news they got

all summer. So everybody in Green Bay is excited. So you think is great on Green Bay side? Yeah. Cowboys, what's your rating for them? Ah, man. This is classic Cowboys. I mean, mess up everything you got until you have nothing else to mess up. You know, I don't even think I need to the way my cowboy had anymore. Mike, you on your own on this one. Listen, man. Listen, I'm going to be honest with you. Watching, and I know I'm kind of a little bit,

because I just finished watching it a couple days ago, I'm kind of stuck on this documentary. Yeah, this documentary, and I'm going to let America know something. Cincinnati Bengals is my team, but I'm rooting for Jerry Jones. I'm rooting for him. I'm not going to say I'm a cowboy fan. But I'm rooting for Jerry Jones. I'm sick of these motherfuckers, man.

I'm sick of, let me ask you a question, Mike. Did you ever hold out for extra paper with Jerry? I don't know, I'm asking. Did you ever hold out on your contract? Yeah, well, well, and Emmett, like to explain this. Yeah, Emmett, that's what I'm talking about. Like, Emmett, Emmett helped. Emmett said he didn't held out.

Emmett did not have a job because he didn't have a contract. See, now Michael Parsons, he was holding in. But Emmett, contract was totally up. Now they pay people before the contract ends. Back then, they were letting brothers contract in. You just had to go and re-up. So, yeah, we got into those debates. But Jerry knew I wasn't going to miss game.

I came into Wednesday before we would play our first game. And you negotiate, I negotiated as hard as I could with them, get them to the number I wanted. But I wasn't leaving Dallas. You know what I mean? I was going to be doing. I had these things playing like I'm doing now. So I needed that brand.

And the green bays and all of those, hey, other teams didn't give me that. Let me ask you another question before I give my opinion on the trade stack. How does, and I'm just saying for the average viewer or the casual fan, how does this work with year after year, like you just explained, Michael Parsons, several level players that we, actually this season, whether it's Hendrickson or other players. how does this work for the casual fan that doesn't understand? If you're still under contract,

why are you holding out for more money? We understand that it's a guarantee money that you get. And once that runs out, it seems like they don't want to commit to their whole contract and negotiate why they're still under contract. Why do players do that knowing that they signed the contract, Mike? Here's my issue with it. And it's not, it's the name.

that we give the agreement between player and club. It's called the contract, but it's not really, because a contract is a binding agreement between two parties. That means neither one of us can get out of it. We locked into the deal. But I call the NFL one tracks because they want you to be bound to them, but they're not bound to you. As soon as they want to cut you, they can cut you.

They want to try to reduce your money. They can reduce your money. So now players stepping in early, it's just fair play in turn. And that's what you're starting to see now. So even sign deals, you sign a five-year deal knowing year four, we have to renegotiate this deal because I don't want to play my last year on a one-year deal. That's, that's become standard business now. Okay.

But it wasn't before. It wasn't before. It wasn't before. Yeah. In contracts, you're going to get the guarantee, you're going to get guaranteed. But once those guarantees, like, like this. They'll start cutting people, even though you got, you got 10 million this year and 10 million next year,

20 million dollars on the contract that sounded so good you thought you had, you never got because they cut you. So those things I call one tracks, not contracts. One tracks, Mike got his own slang. One tracks, not contracts. So now let me ask you this, one more question before I get stat, before I give my analyzation. Because that's what I was saying, I'm rooting for Jerry Jones.

And I've seen what happened in the documentary with Emmett Smith. So Michael Parsons' situation right now, I actually seen you on air saying this would never happen. Actually, Nick, we got a clip of that. Do you have a clip of it's queued up right now, Nick? Can we see it? You can report all you want. There's no way they're allowing Michael Parsons to go anywhere.

All of it, all of this is part of the negotiations. And as I talked to Jerry the other day, on my podcast, and he was talking about it the other day. We tried to make that offer and said somebody told him to shove it up his rear and all of that. Mike, they lying to you. Well, look, what, Mike, where are you getting your info? We see you next to Jerry all the time. How could you go on national television and make this statement?

And then this happened. How does that work? Right, because what I told you, they got it in the room, and the egos got in the way. I knew Jared wouldn't let Michael Parsons go. That's why I made a statement. And I was with Jared a day before that. We were talking about it.

You know what I mean? And I said to me, and I should have taken this more seriously when he said to me, why don't you get Michael and come in here and we worked this deal out? I worked out deals with Jerry. I thought that that was just negotiations and they'll get it done. But I never thought that they would get here.

I never thought that Michael Parsons would allow this. Not just Jerry, because I talked to both of them, and that's why I thought, yeah, somehow, some way they'll work this deal out. So I was shocked. I was devastated. Yeah. Okay, last thing.

I know I got to give it. Oh, this is good. Yeah, last thing. Now, a lot of, just catching up for the viewers that don't keep up. Now, a lot of, what happened is this for the audience that's not aware that's been waiting for us to come back, to give them this information. Jerry Jones believed that he worked out a deal with Michael Parsons verbally one-on-one

without his agent present. And Jerry Jones was under the oppression that we have a deal. Michael Parsons went back with his agent, I guess, and said, this is, I want my, well, basically Michael Parsons said that I want my agent to be involved in the negotiation. Now, this is where it gets a little tricky for the, for the viewer and the fans who's now the inside. If Jerry Jones believed that he had a deal with Micah Parsons, why would Michael Parsons not say, hey, Jerry, I'm not negotiating a deal with you out of my agent here. I don't even want to talk about it until he gets here. Why would you think Michael Parsons would say,

okay, this is cool, and then go back later and sit there and say, well, my agent wasn't here. He should have just said, no. Now, I'll give you an example, right? I saw it the record deal when I was 19 years old with this record company called Freeze Records. And when it was time for me to get out my deal, because Freeze Records was trash. You know what I'm saying? And then when Mace came back to get me and it was time to get out my deal, I had to pay a hefty price to get out the deal. But when I was going back pleading, I'm like, yo, I'm just a kid, man, you know, just

you say you're 19, you're over 18. You signed the deal, we don't want to hear it. Now, if you were 16, we might be able to work with you. You was 19. You signed this deal. What do you say to that when you sit there, and I know this wasn't a contract like I signed, but when you think you have a verbal agreement with somebody that, you know, you consider not necessarily a great friend, but somebody that's playing for you, and maybe you may consider

a good buddy. And then they were nigg on that, even though we know no contract. I mean, no ink on the paper doesn't mean a sign. But if they give you a verbal agreement, what do you think about that, Mike? Like right now, right? I sit there and say, yo, Mike, yo, we got this restaurant. I mean, you're going to open. We're going to do this shit 50-50.

And we, like, bet. And then when the restaurant opened, I'd be like, yo, no, Mike, I think I want to do 80-20 once I see the shit pop off. And we didn't sign a contract, so we're going to do 80-20. What do you have to say to that? I'm with you on everything you're saying. And this is Michael. Remember, Michael was out here almost saying he's representing himself, right? That's why he didn't have an agent.

He got his agent, he got the agent late from what I understand. So he had been having conversations. When I talk with Jerry, Jerry said he and Michael had been talking, and I guess these numbers are moving now while they're talking, you know, because like Miles Garrett gets a new deal and Jerry, Jerry's smart enough to understand this. The other guy is getting a new deal. So even if you and I have an agreement on a number and there's somebody else becomes the new highest paid non-quarterback, and we had an understanding that I was going to be the highest paid non-quarterback.

Whatever that number was, that number has to rotate up. You understand what I'm saying? Jerry said that they have had conversations, not once, not twice. He had a couple conversations with him, a couple of conversations with Stephen Jones, and they kept changing the number going up. You know, I don't know. Then he got him at the agent and said, talk to my agent. My thing is this came amazed that, let me, if Jerry and Micah had negotiated a deal that says 40 or 41 million a year, and, and, and, and, and, and I go to the agent from Jerry Jones, I said, I want to send the contract. over? As the agent, you should never say shove it up your whatever they said.

You just said send it over because those are going to be the bottom numbers. I start working off of you can help my negotiation. I was going to say, I'm trying to get to 47. It was you at zero, me at 47, or you at 21 because that's his number right now, and me at 47. If you send me over a contract that says 40 million a year, now I'm looking at we're only $7 million apart. You see what I mean? The object and the thing is to always, always open up and listen.

It's dialogue. That's what a negotiation is, but whenever your egos get in the way. I lost my biggest, I lost my big money with Mark Cuban. The football money ain't nothing. The money I lost with Mark Cuban when he came in and offered me a percentage of Broadcast.com to do business, but I let somebody else negotiate the deal. And they wanted more. And I lost hundreds of millions of dollars.

Every time I saw Mark Cuban, he would look at me and said, you know how much you would have gotten if you would. You see what I'm saying? So for me, I was like, ain't no other Negro going ever make all the decisions of my money, you know, ever again. And that's why I said, I wish Michael would have gotten involved and just say, you know, I know he wanted to be here and say, whatever it is, let's work these out,

let's work it out, because he could have pulled both guys together. Right. I now give my assessment. I thank you for answering them questions, Mike. What grade do I give this? Listen, man. I ain't mad at Jerry. I'm going to give it a B.

Because my thing is this. Oh, come on. A B? I'm giving it a B plus, actually, my goodness. Because, all right, let me ask everybody on the panel. Stat, Mace, you, Mike. If they sign Mike a Pasters for $50 million a year, are they winning the Super Bowl this year?

No. They got a much better chance when you. Yes or no, right? Yes or no. No. The answer is no. The answer is no. So you want Jerry Jones, year after year, pay CD Lamb, pay D.

Prescott, pay Tony Romo, pay Emma Smith. No, listen. I'm tired of paying it enough. I'm tired of paying niggas and we don't win. Now I gotta give this nigga the biggest contract in the world that outside of a quarterback and we still not guaranteed to win. Now, listen. I told you I'm rooting for Jerry Jones the season, but let's be serious, man.

And we're going to see because the season starts this week. But the Dallas Cowboys may be the worst team in the division. We know what the Eagles were to do. No, no, no, no, no. Listen, it's my goal. It's my go. Listen, the reason I'm saying that this, we know what the Eagles bring the table. We know that the Redskins resign nationwide receiver.

Niggins are sleeping on to what the Giants done. Now, everybody said, I want to, everybody needs to keep up. on the New York Giants this season. Do not sleep on the New York Giants this season. I don't know. It's a tie for last place between Dallas and the Giants. Say Hallmark, buddy. They say Hallmark.

Yeah, I love to New York. Yeah, y'all going too crazy with New York. Hey, you don't know what they did in off season. They signed the defense. Yo, Nick, what's that defensive nigga they signed? They killed, that and they got their wide receipt. Listen, man. Yeah, you said they tied for last, though, right?

Yeah, I'm saying, but at the end of the day, That's a good thing. If Dallas is you tying with Dallas for last. Now, like I'm saying, you sit there and give Michael Parsons all this money. Is it going to equate to a championship? That's where I'm at with Jerry Jones. Okay, cool. You gave me your word.

You reneged on your word. You wanted to bring another and again. Now, if this is going to be a difference maker for us to win the Super Bowl? I don't know. The reason why I keep bringing up this documentary, I didn't really understand Jerry Jones until I've seen this, because you know. why Jerry would do what it takes to fucking win and that's why I fuck with Jerry you know what happened murder I don't know if you remember because it was 30 years ago since they've won

but they actually won two Super Bowls back to back and I talked to my shout to my uncle my big bro Dionne Prime Tom Sanders he was killing Mike one game and shut Mike and them niggas damn and you know what Jerry Jones did Jerry don't say he a free agent go get that nigga he's going to get Jerry says, if you, if Jerry thinks you're going to make him win a Super Bowl, he's going to get the niggins that he thinks going to make him win the Super Bowl. And you know what happened? They won the next year. Jerry's going to do what it takes to win.

Is Michael Parsons a piece that's going to make you win a Super Bowl? Not for 47. I don't think that the Dallas. Michael Parsons, wait, wait, he can be the Charles Hayley. He's the Charles Haley that comes in and puts the glue on you winning the Super Bowl. We had, he gets through the quarterback. You're going to need that player to get through the quarterback. Yo, my, let me say what I will give you what.

You're not. You're saying he. Barn Miller. You're not. No, no, no, murder, murder, murder, murder. Because I got to say. Couple things. Couple things I got to give you a love.

Because I'm with you on this. I give Jerry and people think that I, because I respect them and I do love him. But I appreciate that journey. To see he was ready to borrow from Huffo. Jimmy Huff. He was going to. The team sister. That niggas was going to the team stick.

Right. He was, he was. Yeah, I'm going to change my view. I'm going to change my view. Nah, I ain't going to front. I thought about it. I thought about it. Listening to Cam and, because Cam been through this, you know, even with his record label, right?

Nobody's bigger than the logo, man. Niggas got to stop thinking they bigger than the logo, man. He's got to chill out. Nobody's bigger than the star, man. Listen. Right. That's what I, I started the show saying that. I'm glad y'all come on over in this water with me.

Nobody's digging on it. I'm still chewing on that star. Hey. I've been playing touch a touchdown in 30 years, and I'm still chewing off that star. You know what I'm saying? So, so, so that's what I was talking about what Mike are lost and everything. So, but let me, one last thing, too, Cam,

I need you to go check the stats in that NFC championship game. Mike, I had about 198 yards. in 12 reasons. Woo! You know what you're feeling they're talking about? You saw somebody killing me or me getting killed. Oh, you saw me lose a game. But you didn't see no killing.

Just making you understand. Mike, you know you're telling yourself when you told about yourself in third person. Hold on. Hold on. He said, Mike had 190 yards. Hold on, because murder, this is what I'm saying. If you ask, if you ask Coach Pram,

Coach Pram said, Are you the reason that they didn't get a three feet? Coach Prime said, I'm the reason, treason, and the season. How are you going to hold it right? How are you right? He said, how are you going to call? He said, whatever you want to call it, I'm the reason they didn't get the three-peat. And I know he was guarding Mike.

So I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I don't know if it was an edit, Mike, how Netflix did it. But it looked like he was breaking up some passes. I didn't know you had 200. y'all's on them niggins though yeah yeah that's all i'm saying all y'all got to do is stat it up you got to add it up you start using the words you know what i'm saying yeah mike now another thing mike but that thing was cool when time said where because he did he did time said that Lamborghini came and got him yeah one plate yeah one play yeah and then they show you that Lamborghini whoa well that that's a call that is a cool that is a

cold documentary. They did a good job. They did a great job. Now, back real quick, because I don't like what you just said, comparing Michael Parsons to Charles Hailey. Listen, man, it's good football players and it's niggas who got that crazy dog in them, pause. And Charles Healy had that

dog in him. Michael Parsons are a great football player. Stats speak for itself. But he's not walking in nobody office and peeing on their desk saying, let me out the motherfucking team. Charles Healy went pissed on the coach's desk, nigger. Stop comparing niggas to Charles Hill.

That's what we're not going to do. We're not going to do that. We're not going to look back in the nigger jerking off in the meeting. That's a different type of nigger. Nick of Charles Haley was in the back jerking. Don't compare niggas to Charles Haley, bro. Michael's good, but he ain't got that shit in them,

and I know that Charles Hilly was dealing with other stuff and I'm not damn playing that, but you need that type of shit on your team sometime. Michael Parsons is a nice guy who knows there's a rumble-tumble football player. Charles Hailey on and off the field is a dog. We're not going to compare those two. Dog.

It's a dog. So. So, my line. I can't say that to that. Yeah. I actually want to ask you a question really quick before we move on to the next part, because when Cam made his take, you kind of made it seem like it was very outlandish. So I kind of want a yes or no answer before we move on.

So do you think that the Cowboys are better than the Eagles and the commanders? Because when he said could be worse in the division, you were like, no. But looking at the Cowboys. at those rankings. What do you think? Do I believe the Cowboys, I believe the Cowboys can play with the Eagles in the man. Come on, Mike, Mike, right. Are they better? Come on.

This thing starred. This thing starred in a couple of days. And you'll see it. Now, right now, every time Dak has had two good receivers, this team is average 20, 30 points a game at 30 points. Prior to the last year, that's why they were 12 and 5. They'd been 28, 20, 20, not 30 points a game. You went Super Bowls, averaging 31, 32 points a game. We needed Michael Parsons to get to the quarterback after you put up these points with these two receivers. That gives you an opportunity.

We got, we're about to see. Absolutely. You'll see this Thursday night. And I got to figure out. Mike, come on now Thursday night. Now, I believe the pressure from, well, the pressure, them not being over to Michael Parsons trade, may affect them, but I still believe

Thursday night you'll see a better team than most people give Dallas credit to be this year. Mike, listen, Mike, I actually want, listen, Mike of Parsons is leading has a bunch of great stats since he's been in the NFL the last four years.

It's been tremendous. They still don't win, and this is why I give the trade a B because it isn't like with Michael Parsons on the team is going to make them win the Super Bowl, you have a, listen, bro, the defending Super Bowl champs are in the division. You have the Redskins who are better than the Cowboys again last year.

And don't tell me, Dak was hurt because the best availability, the best ability is availability. I'm tired of Dak getting hurt. I'm tired of their excuses. Paying that nigga, Michael Parsons, all that money, I know y'all want your favorites. I know you want the Harlem Globe try this. Everybody to be all stars. If you don't win, it don't matter.

I'm running with Jerry. Jerry knows what the fuck he's doing. And at the end of the day, I know he gets a lot of slack because they say he's not a great GM and because they're saying that they haven't won a Super Bowl since whether him or Jimmy Johnson built the team with you guys, Emmett, Troy, Haley, of course, yourself, et cetera.

And they haven't won since then. But the price keeps going up. $5 billion, $6 billion, $7 billion, $8 billion. And you know what I'm? else and you know what else he keeps paying players not to win you keep paying all these high prices yeah everybody doing that camp you act like jerry's the only one paying people everybody's paying people every team has to pay a quarterback a receiver that's the number if you just only hear about the dallas cowboys because they don't talk about nobody else but green bay goes through

it san francisco goes through it detroit everybody is paying people and they haven't won a championship in a long time so you can't just say like jerry's the only one doing it this is the game now this is the game you got it jerry got to try to keep the best players let's do it let's do it and put players around him who's the highest paid quarterback in the nfell that fresco do you think he deserves to be the highest paid quarterback in the nfl do you think that be honest i do if he can negotiate it i think you can i'm not mad at that you I like that answer. I like that answer.

If you're 100% correct, you're as good as you negotiate. There's no MSRP. There's no MSRP on quarterback, you know. There's no manufacturer, suggest, retail price, like on cars. You see what I mean? Skill-wise, you can get. If you get it, you get. No, I totally agree with that.

I like that answer. I totally agree with you. Skill-wise, is he the best quarterback in the NFL? I would take Patrick Mahomes. And that's all you're going to take? Josh Allen. You just asked me about Josh Allen. Josh Allen.

You got to see for no list. You ain't asked me for the list. All right. I just told me the best. I just told me the best. This is that accountability. This is exactly. And then he says that they're going to look good Thursday.

Thursday they got the Eagles. What is he talking about? And secondly, listen, you got to have a, and listen, I'm not saying Michael Parsons doesn't make a difference. But you sit there and you're right. You can have a high power offense. And I'm talking about with Michael Parsons on the team, even though he's gone.

I'm just giving a hypothetical. It's that, listen, Cincinnati was killing last year. No defense. Joe Burrow out there and Jemarthe is doing everything in the world that they can't T. Higgins, all of them doing everything they can't. The defense can't stop a nosebleed. So at the end of the day, you can see and talk about DAC and C.D. Lamb and everybody else they got. You got to stop the nosebleed or you got to stop what's about to happen.

And I know it's not helping what Michael Parsons is gone, but I don't think that it would have helped with Michael Parsons being there to be totally honest with you. So back to stats question before we move on, where would you rank the Dallas Cowboys in the division? Right now, I would rank them third, but I guarantee you they will play with both of those teams in front of them. All that New York stuff, that's just y'all home cooking.

Y'all can get that out of this kitchen. Anybody cooking there? Get that out of the kitchen. My team is the Cincinnati Bengals, man. I'm being on. My team is the Bengals. Okay. And let me say this, too. All that want to raise up Joe Burrow all the time to look for things to always push that down.

Joe Burrow and his team, they're right there at the beginning of the season. That offense don't do nothing like they should be doing. So hopefully not a good team, great team. They got great players, great players, great player. But remember, before probably this, that was 12 and five, three straight seasons. Well, let's say, just just let's say this, man. And we know that Joe Burroughs been dealing with injuries and let me ask you this. The beginning of last season, you know, they always start talking about how Cincinnati starts off slow.

The beginning the last season, let's look at this, right? You got Jamar Chase who wasn't showing up the many camps, wasn't really participating in the preseason games. Not a happy camper. No, no, no, no, I'm not having this. I'm not going to get these jokes. Oh, now you're going to get these Negroes an excuse. Oh, well, that Prescott had to negotiate. Jason, CD Lamb had negotiated, you don't get a Cowboys, no, that's dude.

Don't you don't you fix your lips and roll that pass your tongue and don't put excuse for a niggins. Oh, just no excuse me. So to drain on excuse you. You know, he started slow. That's no, no, listen, listen, there's no. Don't try it, though. Listen, hey, hey, you're on the field.

No, you're absolutely right. When you on the field, that's what matters. You're 100% correct. I'm just telling you that it was a big, For the season before, we know Jamar Chase wanted another contract, and we know that he was upset going into this season, and he was not a happy camper the first two, three, four games. Who won the triple crown?

Who won it? Who won it? Who won it? Right. So I understand what you're saying. He got his money. Higgins got his money. They resigned Henderson.

As you right, there's no excuse this season. I'm just trying to explain to you. They defense always been lacking. The thing about it is this, right? We talk about, we have a bunch of different topics. We talk about, we haven't seen anything about Ken Ward. We haven't talked about the Eagles. We haven't talked about anything except fucking Michael Parsons the last two weeks as the

sports nation. Dallas figures a way to stay in the news no matter what's going on. Niggas not talking about anything else, but Michael Parsons the last two weeks. Jerry knows how to stay in the news. So when we bring this up, don't act like, yo, you're talking about Green Bay go through this. You're right, Mike. All these teams go through this.

But every fucking sports show starts off with. Well, today, the drama between Michael Parsons and Jerry Jones is just been 10 fucking days in a row, business days. So don't act like we just picking on the Cowboys. They stay in the news every week. It's a media machine in Dallas, man. So don't get those things act like, dang, the Green Bay go through it, Buffalo go through it.

Yeah, but y'all niggins is front page every week, every season, every year. You're going to get the spotlight shined on you. And that's that. We're saying the same thing. She said to say, amen. Yeah. That's why Michael shouldn't have left. True, true that.

That's what I'm saying. True that. Fair. Okay, so we definitely have to look at the other side of the trade. So how much does Micah benefit the Packers? We will discuss after the break. Welcome back. So now with Micah on the Packers, this is an early prediction. Mike, do you think this trade will make the Packers the biggest threat in the NFC North?

I think this trade definitely helps them become the biggest threat. Detroit is still right there. But with joy and love and that, And what they've added offensively, Matthew Golden, they put so much speed on that Green Bay team. They're trying to make big plays, run the ball, and then said, Michael, get to the quarterback. But I don't know if I'm making them a favorite. I still have Philly as top favorite.

I still have, you know, Detroit in there. San Francisco, no matter what, with Cal Shanahan, will be showing up. And Green Bay is right up in there also. I don't know why we why we even talking about this so long pause for real this I think we wasted a whole whole day on this I think this is great you do yeah you like the cowboys you'd be real excited but we win we win that this is what we do this was a great this was a great day to be totally honest yeah so what's the question again. Yeah. So do you think that with this trade, this makes the Packers the biggest

threat in the NFC North? I don't go by the threats. They're not going to win. This is good enough for this week to talk about. I love the energy. Mike came in here with pause. He got on his Texas colors, you know, looking like the long horns. I get all of that, Mike. You're trying to throw subliminal messages here about Texas. We're not going for it. A threat, Kind of sort of, but they're not going to beat any of those teams Mike's put before them. They're not going to beat Green Bay. I meant they're not going to beat the lions, the Bears, or the Vikings? The Bears is going to be better this year.

That's what I'm trying to tell you. I don't got them beating the Bears, and I don't have them beating the Lions. The Lions is going to get their name back. Early prediction, just to clarify, you think the Bears will be better than the Packers this season. No, I ain't going to say all of that. I mean, they're close. That's a good rivalry, but, you know, I don't like the word threat, you know, not just yet. I got to see how they play.

I got to see how they're paying out. I'm not ready to get my expert opinion on that. Okay. And they probably paid them too much money, killer to play good. My thing about it is this, is that I think Green Bay will be better than they were last year. I think that they're a year or two away from being an actual threat. And Jordan Love, we're going to see if he doesn't get injured. Even though he gets injured, he comes back.

But I just think he's a quarterback that's a year or two away from being elite in that conversation with Josh Allen or Joe Burrow or Patrick Mahomes or whoever you think is your top five, Dak Prescott, whoever you think that your top five quarterback is, I think he's gained a lot of experience the last couple years. But I think Green Bay overall is maybe a year or two away. I like LaFleau. I think he's an outstanding coach as well, but I'm not putting them ahead of the Lions in the division and not just the division. You're thinking about the NFC. When you think about the NFC,

I'm sitting here looking at it now. My sleeper team actually in the NFC is, it might be Tampa Bay. That was my sleeper team last year. I don't think San Francisco is going to be as good as they were last year. The Rams, I'm not sure. Right now I'm putting, if I'm going to pick in the NFC, I'm putting the Detroit Lions at the top of the list.

But, you know, wild card spot definitely for Green Bay. We'll see what happens when that. We'll see what happens if they get to the playoffs. But I definitely think that they'll at least get a wild card spot. What do you think about the commanders? I like the command. I told you that they're the second best in the division. I was going, you know, all right.

Yeah, I'm, of course, we wasn't even, you know, we was talking about the division, but we're talking about overall at the conference. I think the two best teams are in the same division, if you ask me, and that's Philadelphia and the commanders. Cowboys. That was my choice to commanders. Yeah, so those are my two favorites for the conference. But as far as Green Bay, I think they're a piece of a way.

Now, everybody goes so crazy, but like I said, I believe just because it's the Cowboys about. about Michael Parsons, but we have to think about this. Football is the ultimate team game. Ultimate team game, man. Like basketball, sometimes a player could take over a game if need be. You know, we've seen it done on plenty of occasions,

even though that's a team sport, but it takes a lot of pieces for a football team to win. To me, the best linebacker in football right now is Miles Garrett. Are we looking for the Browns to win the Super Bowl? the Super Bowl. Yeah. No, we're not.

We sit there and watched RIP. I sat there and seen OJ run for 10,000 yards one game. They won two games that season. It takes a team to win. I've seen OJ on several occasions. I think I'm going to say several, two or three occasions. Break tackles. Have more yards than a quarterback.

Yeah. You have, it's a team game. And as much noise as we're making about Michael Parsons, Other pieces have to fit in place. But I think Green Bay will be there in the next year, too, if you ask in my opinion. No, not a threat. Thanks.

I'll just say really quick, I understand not wanting to jump on the hype too much because it's like we do kind of have to see what happens. And I do also have high hopes for the lines, but they do have a new coordinator for their offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator. So I think things will be a little bit different for them this year.

But I'm still hoping that they have a good season because you don't want to come off a good season like they did last year and then come and then start lower. So hopefully they can figure something out, but I do think that they're gonna have some adjustments throughout this season. We'll see kind of how it plays out.

Yes, and also while we're talking about this, Dallas is not Green Bay. Climate matters. Like there's people that could play in the heat. Boy, Mayfus. Yeah, that's a great point. That's a great point. Climate matters.

Shannon called me right after the trade, my boy, Shannon, I had just done his podcast. And he was telling me, same thing. He talked, he brought that up. He said, man, Mike, and I didn't think about it. He said, you know when you're getting in that kind of weather, it affects your speed. Now, if you're your strength, and Michael's a speed rush.

Yeah. It affects your speed. It's hard to be cold when your engine is that damn cold. I'm just saying, that's why I wasn't going to Green Bay. Yeah, that's what I was thinking about. You get all of this money. Playing in Denver is the same way, playing in Green Bay is the same. same thing. When you're running and your feet are frozen is different than playing in Miami

or in Texas where you can you can run as fast as you want because you got your whole body to work with pause when in that freezing cold it turns into cowards. 100% perfect condition in Dallas. Yeah. It was perfect conditions in Dallas. That's what we were talking about because they can close the roof. You know, so you know you got eight games where you have perfect conditions to get to the quarter of with your speed and now yeah yeah you're running on ice and you running on snow yeah i was gonna totally agree with you murder and and mike uh jerry jones make that temperature whatever the fuck he wanted to be that shit could be 45 if jerry wanted it could be 95 it could be 65

it could be 65 man it's jerry's world man that's a great point mason okay and then last thing before we wrap so shiloh sanders was fined over four thousand dollars by the NFL for throwing a punch at Buffalo Bill's tight-end Zach Davidson in their pre-season final. Reports also say they saw Bill's Zach Davidson's fingers in Shiloh's face mask. Shiloh was ejected from the game and later he was cut by the Bucks. That clip has been circulating on social media, but I kind of wanted to get you guys's opinions and take on the situation at hand. Mike, what do you think?

Well, you know, first of all, I know Davis was messing with him the whole game, just messing with them. kept doing this. Like he's too short. Yeah, he's too little. Like he's too. I've seen that too. Yeah, I've seen that.

Right, right, right. So you know, you know, y'all know that he got up on the shallow skin. Yeah. And he took a swing on him and everything. Kats Shiloh, though, I believe, is the perfect kind of player that you bring on and keep on your practice squad. Because he's going to go hard. He's not going to let you play games and he, I'm a line up. you lighten up you know so so yeah i didn't think this is four thousand dollars when you got the

little sign of bonus he got that that's a lot of money but i'm sure he did pretty good some iL money he could pay that and and hopefully you know he'll land back on his feet yeah i was thinking i was thinking exact same thing um but i also think because this was such a such a tender position pause the being being that he he got to the team the way he did i i would have liked to see him not get in that fight because i think um moving forward there's so much scrutiny already on on the family name that you really don't need that but i do appreciate the toughness i do appreciate the competitiveness but i would have liked to see him um stick that one out pause yeah um They, they father's kids, man.

They, they father's kids, definitely. And right now, in the climate, like May said, not temperature-wise, just as a Sanders family-wise, to me, they're looking for reasons to say, this is why we can't have them or this is why we can't have them. And not just Shiloh, just in general. And it was even like, you know, after Shador, he played his, um, his,

first preseason game and he played really well. And one of the reporters that came over to him and he was like, yeah, you always writing something bad about me. Da, da, da, da, da, da. Yeah. So I was sitting there saying to myself, don't say that. Don't say that. I was just saying that don't say that right now. You put gas in his tank. Yes. Exactly. I was saying, please don't say that because I'm rooting for them for my nephews and shit. So any little thing I believe when it comes to the family, They are looking for reasons to say, this is why, or this is why, because they're going to get attention because of their last name. Now, we have yet to see how they're going to do in the NFL, but I'll tell you this much, the thing about it is that, and this is no slight to even wear them, because both of them boys shallow and Shador, nasty, nasty. It's, Dion was a Swiss Army knife.

He could do everything. Yeah. He received. He punt, return, quarterback. And that's what gave him the extra rope, the B-Prime time. You get what I'm saying? Dion sit there, throw water on the reporter, come with all the chains, do music videos, go play baseball, come back, play football, go play, you know what I'm saying?

That's a great point. Yeah, because that's how elite he was. And I'm not saying that the sons aren't elite because they are, they're super nice. I went to see them play several times out there Colorado. They definitely should be in the NFL and playing. in NFL games. But it's just a difference. And maybe they'll get there what their father was.

But right now, me personally, just walked straight and narrow until it's time. And hopefully Shiloh will get back out there. And I know he has a backup plan because if anybody going to make sure Shiloh or should do as a backup plan, it's going to be Deon. But I just think everybody should walk the straight and narrow until they get to where they need to be. And hopefully he'll be on another team soon. But right now, I think the eyeball of the media.

is on the Sanders family as a whole, just to see if they're gonna like step outside the box and do shit that they shouldn't be doing. Right. With a negative tank, with a negative tank now, since you're talking lineage and legacy and family names, I was wondering just the other day, had Shador played like Archmanning,

what would the conversation had been like? And you know what I mean? With, you see what I'm saying? Right. If all, yeah. 100% correct. You know what I'd say. 100% correct.

Because I see, I actually posted the meme. I seen a meme, Mike, after they, after Archie's game, they had a meme of Peyton and Eli saying that Archie's adopted. Don't worry about it. That's what they adopted. Yeah. Yeah. So, y'all, 100% correct, absolutely.

Aji is not going to like that. He's not going to like that. At all, for real. Nobody can catch a break. That was funny, though. That was funny, yeah. That was funny, man. That social media would be funny.

Yeah, it's a lot. Right. Yeah, great. Hey, well, y'all, that is all the time that we have for today. Football is back. We are back. Mike, it was a pleasure to have you. Good seeing you, Mike. A good seeing you guys, too.

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