IT IS WHAT IT IS - MICHAEL IRVIN IS FEELIN' HIMSELF AFTER THAT COWBOYS WIN, ARE THE COLTS FOR REAL & THE GIANTS BLOW IT (PAUSE) IN DENVER!

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

Ma$e, Cam’ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one!! On this episode, we got both Michael Irvin and Arabia on the show to talk about week 7! We gotta thank UNC for not answering the phone for Killa when he came to Miami so now nobody can blame Killa for Miami losing on Friday Night! Then, Cowboys SMOKED the Commanders and Mike is feeling himself, are we sure the cowboys are the worst team in the division now?! Next, Daniel Jones got the Colts 6-1 but is Jonathan Taylor the real reason why? Lastly, The Giants BLOW IT (Pause) in Denver so we brought Producer Nick on who's a Giants fan so we can laugh at his pain and is he being delusional saying that the Giants are back?! Thanks For Not Inviting Killa To The U Game Cowboys SMOKED The Commanders Are The Colts Serious?! Giants BLOW IT In Denver Where Nick At?! Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Sign up with promo code IIWII and play $5 to get $100 in bonus funds: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-itiswhatitis #UDpartner Follow the show and our hosts on social media: ⁠It Is What It Is⁠, ⁠Cam'Ron⁠, ⁠Ma$e⁠, and ⁠Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson⁠ , ⁠Producer Ayooo Nick⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So make sure y'all support the show, hit that subscribe button, lock in your bonus and start playing today with code. It is what it is. I'm Treasure Wilson, a.k.a. Stat baby, along with your host, Mace, and Cam. And today, y'all, we got two of our analysts. We got Michael Irvin and Arabia. Let me ask you, who's happy and who's not today? That's a great question. Across the whole world. We see that Arabia start with the pain. Hi, Arabia.

Hi, Arabia. First of all, before we get to... I'm so happy, hold on. Hold on, hold on, Mike. Hold on everybody. First of all, I want to say this before we even get to the game. Mike was supposed to call me when he got to Miami. Yeah.

He didn't call me, and I'm happy he didn't call me. So, niggas, right? So, niggas will not blame me for what happened to Mike. I am so happy Mike didn't call me because I would have went to the game and niggins would have been like,

Cam, soon as Cam come to the game, niggas, thank me for not calling me, Mike. I appreciate it. And I'm so happy you didn't call me. Blaming on Ray Lewis, blaming on everybody who was there because I see y'all. I was like, Mike can't even call me.

And I was like, good. I'm happy because if I would have went, Miami Luz, it would have been my fault. Thank you, my brother. I'm just letting you know. It would have been all on you. You're absolutely right. I would have so said,

you know you can't come to another day. You'd have told me that. You'd have told him that, Mike. Why, I would say, boy, because I think, but I felt funny about that game, man. I went, you know what, I got, because it was Friday night game. I think we're like 0 and 5 on Friday nights. So it just felt spooky. Right.

So, like, Thursday night, I got in late Thursday. And it's my enemy, right? You know what I mean? And I messed around and hung out a little bit. And then overslept the next day. That's why I didn't call it. Then I watched to the game. I felt uncomfortable.

Didn't have the right glasses. I didn't have on the right Calvin Client underwear. I had on the black and white. I usually have one of the black and orange with the orange band of our pro. You show the orange out. I'm like, man, it was all messed up, man.

Because I went too late Thursday night. And then we're going to the game and I just didn't see the fire in our guy's eyes. And I can't even blame no. Because I was trying to fire him up. I couldn't find the fire myself. So I was like, man.

But I'm going to tell you some, after we lost the game, because I really wanted us to win. But after we lost, I thought about it, I said, okay, we got to take this. Because I was worried Miami was getting in a place, okay, we're going to walk over this next team. And when you're playing this high level football and you're trying to learn how to be a champion, you can't take anyone lightly. You got to play everybody. Everybody was saying, well, now Miami is, you know, they're a hunted. they're not a hunter. I was telling them guys, no, no, no.

We are never the hunted. The hunted is the weak. We are always the hunter. Other people can hunt us, but you're all at the ring. You know what I mean? I was trying to pull everything out that hat, man, but no rabbit showed up, and we lost that game. Yeah, I just want to say thank you.

Because I'm definitely would have been the jinx. I would have been the whatever you want to call it. But thank you very much for not calling me. And listen, maybe next time. do it again. How you feel about Carson back now? Yeah. Who let the cat out the bag? No, literally. First of all, that was a great disclaimer because I was thinking, I was like, is camp there? But you weren't. And I can't say much because I've said how I felt about

Carson back from the beginning. But I'm also not switching up on him. This was just not a good game from him. Yeah, four interceptions. You know, and I know we're going to try and get to a lot of Sunday night games. Well, I'm going to find room for Thursday night game of last week. We're going to find some room on this show for the Jericho bowl, the icy hot bowl, the uncle bowl. We're going to find room on this show for that conversation. We're going to find some room for that.

That's what we are going to do. But guys, Stad, I'm sorry. Right, right. Before I'm going to say before we start, Starr, I want to say, Cam, I notice, you know, you guys, you're wearing that pink. I've been wearing pink here on Sundays because it's, you know, breast cancer. Yes, it is. So, yeah, we should drop that out and let everybody know we're thinking about them.

That's why we're perfectly wearing this pink. So, okay, Stan, now let's go on tear into Arabia's and get on hers. Well, you're right. We're going to start with that. I didn't even know Arabia was still here. Arabia, you still here? Is she a good sport? I'm here.

I'm here. Yeah, yeah, we know what I'm going to. I'm going to keep it on it. This is what I'm going to do. Yeah. Because Arabia usually comes on Tuesday mornings. And thank you, Arabia, for making time for us this morning. But the game was close.

It wasn't out of arms reach. I reached out to Nick. And Arabia, listen, you can't feel worse than Nick Fields. We'll talk about the Giants later as well. You can't feel worse than him. But I said, let's get Arabia Mike on this morning because I knew Mike would be. And I'm like, either way, it's good content because, you know, divisional game, we can't say Cowboys and Indians no more,

Cowboys and Commanders. So listen, man, that's why I'm happy you see. still showed up because to me, I might have had a, uh, uh, uh, I might have pulled a Ben Simmons. My toe hurt. My pinky ring is messed up. Nah. You could have did all that, man, but you still here. My bad, we, we prolonging stat. Go ahead. I'm sorry. No, it's all good because we have a lot of football to talk about. Yeah. So we're, of course, going to start with that game. The Cowboys smoked the commander's 24 to 20. Okay, sad.

What? What would you use? Yeah. Well, what would you use? Smoke. I don't even know who I want to start with Arabia or Mike. So let's start with Mike. How do you feel about the performance on the Cowboys side in this game as a whole? Well, we are getting back healthy all the way on office. Oh, here we know, necessarily all the way healthy on defense.

No, no, no, no. I'm only talking facts here. Now, you guys, I want to hear, and I want you guys to listen with your ears, not your mouth. That's not the apparatus God gave you to hear me with. He gave you ears, not the mouth. That's what we did. Now, here what I said, here was up to say. Last time I was on this show, the same bunch right here this group tried to tell me or ask me.

Well, Michael, do you think, who do you think is the worst team in the division? Oh, oh, oh, I told y'all, it wasn't the Cowboys, and all heard it, every, every sneaking soul on this team, the only unit, on the set, thought, oh, we're crazy. Yes, it was the Cowboys. Yes, it was. I said, no, no. I said, are we talking opinions or are we talking facts? Because the facts were the Cowboys were not then, and Cam pointed out, hey, y'all half a game up. What's a half a game?

It's a lot. You got to receive. It's a lot. In the Giants and in the commanders, the commanders, there's more than just a half a game one. No, because the Cowboys have beat both of those teams. I want you to understand that and how important that is. I'm just saying, man, I know it used to be that cowboy red skin.

I love him, but I just said, I said, Cowboys command the commanders, is how I say. Since we don't got Cowboys red skins anymore, you just put it another way. But I'm so proud of those boys, man. And you saw what happened when I returned to the football. I mean, when 88 returned to the football field a day. Let me say it to L.A.

You know what I mean? When CD Lamb came back, it's over. And we put up 40, 45 points, a game. And I was surprised. I was surprised. I don't know Arabia, and you can help me with this, because I don't want to get too ecstatic. And I'll let you come out with the proof.

Was that great Cowboys defense? a bad commander's offense. How would you want to see it? Do you want to, yeah, how do you see it? You see great cowboy defense or bad commander's offense? And you know, y'all got that great quarterback over there. First of all, before I get started, I do actually want to acknowledge breast cancer awareness month as somebody who was diagnosed with breast cancer about a year ago.

It's been about a year since I was diagnosed in my surgeries and treatment. So if you're dealing with it, shout out to you. Now. Praise God. Thank God. Thank God for all that. Yes, definitely. But no sympathy points.

I don't need any sympathy points. I don't need any sympathy points. If you go to your favorite porn site and you type in elder life. He just said, praise God. I know before right? I'm just letting you know there's a favorite trail for the game. Hey, yo, Rabia. Rabia, I'm listening.

I'm listening. You got my attention. I'm going to tell you know, like usually after the game, they post it on different spots, NFL Plus, ESPN. The Cowboys put the commanders on Porn Hub. But there's a specific site. Like if you go to like older Leiskin visits the South and gets gang bang, it will be a video of Marshawn Latimore getting burnt over and over and over again.

And it looks like Dak Prescott is dropping back and going through his progressions. He's not. He's looking for Marshawn Lattimore because he knows one of three things is going to happen, either a P.I or Dax's going to just throw a great ball in the bucket. It's going to be something just hard to defend or he's going to get burnt. So that's on the defensive side, horrible defense. But also, I'm not surprised that this is one of the highest scoring teams in the NFL coming into this game. And that's without C.D. Lamb from week three when he got injured versus the Bears. So you add C.D. Lamb to George Pickens to a Dak Prescott who's playing very, very well. They score 40 points at home.

They scored 40 against the Giants. They scored 40 points in that tie with the Packers. And now we see them once again, 44 points. Also, Dak Prescott pretty much owns the NFC East at home. He has a 92% winning percentage against the NFC at home. He's what? Six and one versus the Eagles at home. He's 8 and 1 versus the Giants at home.

And he's a perfect 7 and 0 against the commanders at home. None of this surprises me. I just hate it. It makes me sick to my stomach. And, you know, I really want to throw up. I'm sorry. The only thing that really did surprise me about this game was rushing. Like coming into this game, the Cowboys had some of the worst rushing defense in the NFL. But not yesterday.

Yesterday, they bawled out and they stopped the run. You know, no one on the commanders have more than 35 rushing yards, not JD5, not Marriota, not Bill. And our RB1 had 13 carries for 33 yards. 13 carries to 33 yards. So, you know, I just. I have a lot to say about this game, but I'll just, I'll stop right there.

That was the best spin I ever heard. I forgot y'all lost listening to you. It sounded so, so, um, Shakespeare-like, you know? What do you think, Mike? That was, that was really good.

She pulled out all of the points other than how do you feel like losing to the Cowboys? I know you said, sick to your stomach, but this, this is not the team you guys should be losing to, Arabia. I mean, I was with you guys a few weeks ago. I'm off that wagon. Yeah.

Raygo and Arabia did so brilliantly right there. What she did so brilliantly right there to get, to get the things off of her, the pressure of her. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. She went into all of our hiding place talking about, if you go to porn, what do you know about that? What do you know? Well, you bring that off, now you know, threw everybody off.

Yeah, we're saying right. I'm like, what? He ain't even lie. Like, you ain't even lie. We're waiting for the conclusion. She had a killer, too. No, because, you know, I was waiting for my turn, but I still got my turn. But I was sitting here thinking, I'm not ever feeling bad about this shit.

I'd be searching on porn hub after what she just said. Because sometimes I type some shit in, and I'd be like, am I sick? Because the shit I'll be searching and typing and be crazy, but Arabia made me feel better about my searches on Pornhub, NX videos, an ex-hamster, and... And Spang-bang. Yeah, Spang-bangs too, I fuck with Spang-bang. And X, and X, too.

But Spang-Beghan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, my bad, Mike. I mean, I'm not, you know, I'm staying out of this. I ain't got a self-indicted. I'm going to let y'all do all of that yourself. You can go ahead of that one. But listen, honestly, we asked that question,

and that's a valid question. I think we should repole again on that question. Like, who do you think right now is the worst team in the NFC East? I mean, Jones almost got a victory today. They gave up 33 points in the fourth quarter, but that's a young team learning how to win. Washington is a team that's supposed to all. already know how to win.

Let's speak on in two, because they played without their top three receivers. All of the guys were hurt, you know, so you got to acknowledge that. And with those guys being hurt, that's why Dallas can stand, stack the line of scrimmage and try and stop the run. But that's not what I'm talking about, the performance from the defense. That's a total surprise. I didn't expect them to play that well, and that's a surprise. I can't expect that every week.

but on offense with this new triplets they have Duvante CD and Dak Prescott and now you add in Albert Harper or I mean to say

George Pickens you have something right there and that's going to be the catalyst that drive the Dallas Cowboys for the rest of this year albeit they got to stay out all right Mike enough enough is my go enough man

look y'all still ain't the best team in division no half game No, but no matter what it says, no, at first. You're still not the best team in division. So you want to ask the question, who's the best team in division? Look at it. Gary, look, you're not, it's not your own. It isn't your child.

You know who you wanted to keep mentioning? You want to keep mentioning. Go ahead. Okay, okay. Wait, Kim. Now, now, Philadelphia, Philadelphia. Oh, here we go. Here we go.

Yeah, here we go. Wait, wait, wait. They've been struggling. They found it. Mike, you know what you said? You said it didn't matter. That's what you said. You said when I told you about the half game last week, we was looking at the

standings and everything else, you said, you looked at the standards and you say, it does not say that we're the worst team. I'm looking at. That's what you said. I'm looking at it right now. It's a fact. Right, right, right, right. Look at the standards, Mike, and you can sit here and loot the Philadelphia and found something today and the Giants laws and the command is the standard third. If you're looking at the standards, because that's what you went to last week, the standings. Y'all are not the best team in the NFC East. That's the stand, Mike.

Right, right, right, right. You're right. By the standard. That's what you went off last week. That's the fact. But put these facts in here also. Let's drop these facts in here. I'm going to move forward.

Arabia just shared with y'all that the Cowboys are putting up all that points at game at home. The next time they play Philly, oh, where that game is going to be? Okay, okay, now we know that. Philly is just trying to find their real. rhythm again. Now, I'll give it to you right now, but we are analysts. We don't, we don't only just see what's going on. We project what's going to go on. And if the Cowboys keep doing what they're doing, we'll see Philadelphia right here. And it's part of the whole different game and we'll have this conversation again. Mike, now, now today we're analysts and we

project. Last week, you went by the standards that was on the display. Now we projected. and everything else we're analysts we got to project you went by the standings last week you said i'm looking at the standings and technically we are not the worst team look let me get to the game because we're doing everything else but you know i ain't going to lie mike you made a good point ravia just threw me all off with porn hub and we got throw ex videos in there we just we forgot to give x videos a shot look the person you've been shouting now mike i cannot lie for the last three four weeks, C.D. Lamb came and he busts. He definitely bust their ass. And y'all, y'all play good. Look, I really don't want to, I hate pang you on the back when the Cowboys do good. But let's not

see it like, y'all, y'all was up two possessions, but let's not act like Jaden Daniels didn't get hurt. Marcus Marriota came right in through a motherfucker interception as soon as he got in the game, and that's what really blew the game open. So we're not going to say and say y'all wasn't a one, but it would have been a better chance of Jaden, Daniels. Did not get hurt early in the third quarter. It wasn't like the end of the game or the fourth. This was early in the third quarter. It was time for them to make a comeback.

Marcus Marriota, he who played good or played decent, I should say, when Jane Dairns was hurt the other few weeks. But he played poorly yesterday. So listen, man, it was great. Everything was good. You're still not the best team in the division. Okay, C.D. Lamb is back. We've been hearing the CD Lamb story for fucking the last three, four weeks.

To your credit. Came back, had over 100 yards. receptions, he plays really, really good. I know you're happy about that because I ain't going to lie. When you caught that first catch in the very beginning, I said, look at this shit. Look at this shit. I know Mike is in the house like I told these motherfuckers when this

nigga come back. Hey, y'all, I ain't going to lie, Mike. I was watching the game. I said, I ain't got time for this shit tomorrow. I ain't going to lie. I sat there and said, I ain't got time for this shit tomorrow. And he looked really good. To Arabia's point, that pardon me, the Cowboys do look good.

at home, but you got to play half your games on the road, too. You understand that as well? Don't act like every game's at home. Half your games are home. Half your games are away. We'll see how you look like when you're away from Jerry's World. But congratulations, man, Arabia. You did, Mike, did, Mike give you a lot of credit because you spun me for a minute. And I'm pretty sure you threw all of us off, which was very good and very smart. That was good. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. And I do feel like we kind of like touched on it a little bit, but we do need to just spend a little bit more time on the commander's injuries. And I'm going to tell you a fact, and then I'm going to tell you my opinion.

The fact is that, yes, we have several injuries on offense and defense. On defense, we're missing Will Harris and Dietrich Wise, and even Dorrance Armstrong is playing hurt. And on offense, we're missing all of our starting wide receivers, and Zach Ertz is playing hurt, and J.D.5 got hurt, all of that, right? And when you're missing all of those starters on offense and defense, you are expecting your production to not be the same. But at the same time, you have to ask yourself, are you a good team or do you have good starters?

Because most of your team is more than just those 11 guys on offense and 11 guys on defense. So if commanders fans are upset that, you know, the production wasn't as high without their starters, that's legitimate. But we cannot say we are a good team if our team doesn't go on the field and be able to at least win games and scrape by. And we didn't do that. So it's, you know. So are you injuries? Wait, wait. So are you saying that y'all are not a good team now? I just want to make sure I'm following you accordingly.

Very good follow-up. Very good follow-up question. The key word in your question is now because I'm not a delusional fan. Never have and never will be. And they've been tracking my takes since the offseason. I've been trying to tell delusional commanders fans who are fanatics. That's where the word fan comes from, that thinks that the commanders are going to win 14, games and get back to the NFC Championship game, that this ain't that. Last year, we overachieved, we got to a place we weren't supposed to be.

We had a cakewalk schedule, but this season is not that. So I never thought we were a great team. I would love for you to pull a clip that shows me saying that the commanders are this great team that's just going to win all these games. Like I said, I have us winning around nine games. I don't have us sweeping anybody in our division. So, I mean, I think today, the same thing I thought yesterday, which is the same thing I thought the day before.

My stance on my team has not changed at all. So you just like things that are not good, then? No, I'm loyal, actually. Like, I stick with things that I stay loyal to. I must admit, I'm going to have to go and look up some of the things. Every time I saw you run your radio, every song you played with something good about the commanders. Now you're telling me you've been getting on them. I ain't never hear none of those songs.

everything you saw has been good about the commitment. Hey, yo, listen, I got it. I hadn't seen it. Yeah, listen. They sound like the injury report. This is what it is. This is not the injury report.

I got Arabia's back on this shit, man. I got your back, Arabia. Because when Hollywood Brown is hurt murder, well, we don't got all our players. When Drew is hurt on your team, we ain't got all our players. We've been hit listening to the mic for three weeks talking about CD Landman here.

We ain't got all our players. Motherfucking, we sit in here. watching. We are sitting here watching literally, literally. I'm not saying it's more than one player, but we are sitting here watching literally the main element of the Baltimore Ravens

not playing, and the whole team then plummet. Defense them plummet. And the nigga, Lamar Jackson don't even play defense. So, Arabia, I'm not shut back on this because murder makes excuses when niggas not playing. We don't heard Michael Irvin for three weeks. Here in

motherfucking CD Lamb named. We got our over and under. I tried to get underdog involved with this shit on the over and under or cede lamb with this nigga. So no I understand when you're coming from Arabia and they just trying to dog you out now but they make the same excuses.

Look, I wanted them niggins that tried to uplift Browning. I'm like fuck it, let's try and do something with Browning. So I get where you coming from. Browning and they just ain't catch the alley hoop. He missed the whole shit. So I get it. Don't let these niggas try and get at you and they make the same

excuses. Well, we're just one or two injuries. Right. Well, I'm going to take a page out of Cameron's book, you know, the best ability is the... That part. Thank you. How much is that for a tantamount, Mike? Very much. So I want to ask all this because we did go so many different directions and we're seeing the emotional role of coaster that, you know, liking a football team kind of takes you through. So we do always said the best ability is availability. So given the circumstances, pretend they were fully healthy before you go to this next game. Rank these teams best to worse. Mike, I'm going to have you go first because we kind of talked about it. Giants, commanders, and cowboys, we're taking the

Eagles out the equation. Who do you think is the best to worse? Why is Mike going first? She's not the expert on the show. Go ahead, Mike. Well, she just said, she said, you're, you're You're taking, well, you're taking, you're taking whom out of the equation? The people who's leading the division, Mike, the team lead in the division, the leaders of the NFCs, they're out, the real leaders. Why do you want my opinion? Let's go back to the facts. Who's at first place?

Who would be in first place if you take Philly out? Why don't see all answer to that question? We didn't get an opinion, though, man. Let's deal with the facts. Mike, you guys with me. You would only be in first in the NFCEs. You wouldn't be in first in the whole NFC. But that's the question.

That was the question. That was the question. She said NFC, right? Yes, she did. You said, take three out. Yeah, that's it. And right. And I'm telling you, Arabia, I will give you this, though.

You are correcting this, and I have said this. The champion this year is going to be one of those 10 and 7, 11 and 16s. The only team that can debunk that is, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers because they're winning games right now and don't even have their full staff of players. But that's the only team I think can be dominant. I talked about that last week. And what Cam just said, when you're missing a quarterback, well, I'm telling you, it messes up everything on a football team, especially when those quarterbacks are commanding the kind of money that a Lamar Jackson or Dak Prescott or something like that makes. So, yeah.

Yeah, you miss everything when you miss that. Well, I want to say one more thing. Y'all only up on the commanders by half a game. It's not even a four-day-old-old-old-act. Actually, since we just beat them, it's really a game and a half. No, no, Mike. It's a half-again. It's a half-again.

By the reggae. But what I will say is... But it also means... Because we're up on a half, and we got the tiebreaker right now. Because the first tiebreaker is head-to-head competition. You see what I'm saying? I understand, but did you play them twice yet? No, we're going to play them twice.

Okay, so that what he's talking about being? You asked about right now. Okay, Mike. Right now, it's a half a game. It's a half a game right now, Mike. Like, you can't, Mike, look, I know you know a lot of football. You ain't going to spend me, my nigger. Mike, you can't spin me.

I want to say this, though, Mike, when we talked about you, I know, why are you trying to do that to me? I'm not going to let you do that to me, but first of all, I almost, when you say dominant team, and we talk about Tampa Bay, and I know we were talking about, you were probably just talking about the NFC. But I will give you your credit, Mike, I'm two games, two victories, two victories, and not talking about wanting to be on a bandwagon, anything like that, anything like that. From putting Indianapolis calls as a dominant team this season, I'm two wins away from that.

If they get the 8 and 1, I'm with Daniel and them niggas. I'm not mad at that. Those niggas look really good today, and they have an all-around, good defense, good running, good passing attack. Listen, man, you called this a couple weeks ago, and I was like, get the fuck out of here. They look really, really good. So if it will be a dominant team, and I think we're a couple weeks away from that, I will go with the calls. Well, Mike, to keep it all the way real, I've seen some dominance yesterday.

I don't know if y'all want to bring it up. just yet, but I've seen dominance in Kansas City. And they got back being dominant. You're right. You're right. I'm going to do that. I mean, we're talking facts, you know,

but I'll wait for those facts. Kansas City is third in the division. Yeah, Cam. I know. You beat the... It's what you have done lately. I know. We won. It also depends. Done lately against who.

You're right. Also, it does matter. But we'll get to that. Yeah, we pitch you and shutouts. That's different these days, but, you know, we wait on you, stat. I'm only here to do my part. Okay. I do want to elaborate more in this Colts discussion, because I think it's a good one. So we saw that the Colts beat the Chargers 38 to 24.

Mike and have you go first. Do you think the Colts are a real threat, or are you not buying it yet? Oh, I'm absolutely buying it. First of all, Jonathan Taylor is one of the best running backs in the National Football League. And you give Indiana Jones that in that setting. Remember now he had a great Saquan Barclay in New York. But he also had New Yorkers in New York. And he's a quiet, good dude.

He can't go to the bodega all over the man. And when he walks in a room, they put flowers on the floor. Here you go, Daniel. Come on over here. He gets something to eat. You see what I mean. Right now, he's on top of the world. and they're playing like it.

And I'm talking about he's throwing the ball great. We do all, we all, we understand how great this dude is at running of football. Now, you start tag, attack that together with the way they're playing on defense. I really like Indy. Indy does look like a force to be reckoned with, but also Macy's right. Today, you saw vintage Kansas City Chiefs, and we're going to see them again. Thank you, Mike. Thank you, Mike, for being honest, you know.

Right. Right. Yeah, they were. They weren't. The Raiders had like 25, 30 plays the whole game. The whole game. That means that means they were stopping Chiefs from going up the field deep, but that's okay. He got enough weapons now. He'll dump, don't, and take all day with the football. I mean, yeah, they look great. But Indy is going to be right in the think of things. You know, what's surprising, though, what's surprising now is Vrable with New England and what they're doing. You know what I mean? The Buffalo has lost a couple. So, you know, that roller coaster there. Yeah, I would like to say when it come to Justin Herbert, I was really surprised to see him not play as well as I thought he should have played in this game, especially with the two interceptions. When you got people not taking care of the ball, they're just not going to win.

As well as what I want to acknowledge is when you talk about Indiana Jones, a lot of this got to do with these players, they play better in smaller markets. Like, I think he's getting his groove because he's in Indiana. I don't think this same Daniel Jones show up in a major city. So sometimes you have to get to those smaller markets where you can focus in on your craft and really focus on the game of football.

And it seems like that's what he's doing, as well as I think a lot of times you were talking about Jonathan, but I would like to give some credit to Alec Pierce because I think he's doing a phenomenal job. down there in Indiana as well. Well, Arabia was about to allude to what I was about to allude to, and she had way more, I didn't know about the mistackers and everything else, but it's going to help out your quarterback when you have the number one

rushing, running back in the NFL. It takes a lot of pressure off of your quarterback because you don't know if you're going to run or if you're going to throw. And I believe that, don't get me wrong, Daniel Jones is great. He's doing a phenomenal job. But when you have the leading rusher in the NFL, Mike, tell me about it. You played with them.

You played with the top nigger ever. Does that help you out, Mike? When it's time to get them yards, when the nigger Aikman needs to throw you them passes, when you got the number one Russia in the NFL, does that help you out as a receiver? Does it help your quarterback out? Does it help the team out?

So I don't want to take away from Daniel Jones because I think he's doing an exceptional job, but it can't hurt a little bit when you have the number one running back in the NFL. But he had that in New York. He didn't perform like that in New York, Sequin Barkley. But say, hold on, hold on. I knew you would say that.

Sequin Barclay, we'll go back to the last segment. Availability is the best ability. He was never available in New York. And that's why New York didn't want to pay him. So therefore, you can sit there and say the name, Sequan Barclay, but he was never available. You're right. You're absolutely right.

I'm just making the point that he did have a talented guy in the back field and didn't work out. But I don't think that was to... Mike, how the fuck you're going? Mike, no, he did not. He wasn't there. He was hurt.

He was hurt. Yeah, you can't say he had him. He was on the roster. He wasn't available. Yeah, absolutely right. But what I'm getting to, what I'm getting to is what Mace was talking about. Okay, my bad.

What Mace was talking about is, you know, he's feeling more comfortable in the, he's feeling more comfortable. comfortable. He feels more confident because he didn't got them jokers in the bodega telling him he sucks all the time. Right. That you get in New York. Right. That's what I keep trying to tell you. Right. You know, a man, man, the plate on the football field and gave everything he has. He's trying to win. He doesn't have the running like Cam's talking about. And he needs it. And then he goes and get him a sandwich. And they're like, you know, New York is telling you right of your face. Man, you suck. You know, you can't hear you. I'm telling you something.

See, that gets through you. No, you're right, Mike. I agree with you. I agree with you. And the thing about it for me, just can personally. Nigel like that can get the fuck out of here because I made it in New York. I'm from there.

I don't want them type of niggas around me. I don't want niggins who care into the pressure. I don't want, I don't even want them niggins around me. If that bothers you, then you're ahead about your business, man. We don't need you anyway. Yeah, you can make it here. You can make it anywhere, Mike. Listen, Mike, you don't know, you don't know, you don't be on the show.

the show when you didn't have to hear with me and murder had to go through growing up. They used to laugh at us when we told us when we were going to be rapping. They told, listen, you don't even, we're being for two hours talking about the shit that was told to us when we was trying to come up and do what we had to do. All that did was be like,

all right, you don't believe, watch, nigger, watch. You're talking about two seasons? What about 30 years, nigger? You're talking two seasons. You're right. You can't do two seasons of abuse. Listen, that 10. 30 years. You're right. You're Two years.

Yeah, you're right, Mike. Everybody like us and take your ass on the end. You like y'all. Your brothers, man, y'all know what hard time is. That's a white guy. Life been great for him. Hey, yo. Hey, yo, Nick.

They got white areas in New York. Go to camera on Nick. Nick, you're from New York. You have to make it out there, Nick. Yeah, Nick. Nick gave you that nod. You can do it anywhere. He don't want to hear it.

So I get, but all jokes aside, you and Mesa are absolutely correct. New York is not for everybody. You guys are correct. Absolutely correct. Okay. I like how Mace put that strong enough. You can make it in New York. You can make it in anywhere.

That's the truth. That's that part. So we see that the Colts are happy right now with their situation. They've been winning a lot of games. But they're now backup quarterback, Anthony Richardson. He's actually on injury reserve, so he'll miss a minimum of, four games. He was working out with a resistance band during pregame warmups and a fluke accident accord giving him an orbital fracture in his eyes. So yes, he did something with the

resistance band. So he will beat out. So Mike, what's your thoughts on that incident? And then do you think this starting position is stamped for Daniel Jones? Do you think that this will be more of a permanent home for him? Or do you think when the next thing comes in, he's out? What are you talking about with Anthony Richardson injury? Yeah. So thoughts on Anthony Richardson. Richardson's injury, and then for Daniel Jones, do you think his position is just stamped? Well, I think as we continue to go through this, now, you've got to remember, Daniel Jones is not an old dude, it's not a Joe Flacko that is taking the position, and, you know,

young guys going to learn from him. Daniel Jones can play, especially the way this thing has started as long as Anthony Richardson play, because he just seems to keep, I don't know, some of the weirdest injuries. and everything he just keep having and people will start saying stuff pretty soon because another year or two they'll have to make decisions about his money and ain't nowhere in the world they're going to make any great decision about his money when they see he keeps getting hurt with a rubber band and and nana jones is out here doing what he's doing like you guys talk about best ability is availability and he's not going to stop running and because that's such a big part of

his game. Daniel Jones can run. He doesn't have to run. Anthony Richardson has to run right now because he can't decipher everything he sees in front of him to make those completions. So yeah, yeah, I think he has to be worried about his future in Indy because they're not coming off Indiana Jones as long as he's playing like this. And it's not like he's an old guy. You see what I mean? And those guys see, they see what Sam Donald was doing. They see what the Gino's have done since leaving New York and they're having good careers. Yeah. This is a threat.

Yeah. To Anthony. They're really, this is a threat. They're really thinking about that the same way. I kid you not that he could have a phenomenal career down there in Indiana. And when it comes to Anthony Richardson, I think this is where those decisions that you made in the past come back to haunt you. and just some days that he took off, days that he may have not been as injured,

he probably took advantage of the resting time. And now all of this is going to be equated into this one season where now he's getting hurt and it's just beginning, the misfortune is starting to build up. And it's going to cause them to make a very disfavorable decision when it comes time for the money because there's no way, like you said, I'll pay him that money when I got another quarterback that's playing here and he fits the bill he fits the bill he fits the bill he fits the status of everything that we're trying to do in Indiana and you know they can't change that up at midstream I don't know what the fuck we're talking about this for he always hurt

we think ain't yeah he can play three four games what the fuck is why is this a topic he always I think they just throw his name and shit so we could talk about him be hurt nigga I hit with a rubber bear. He wasn't getting in this year. Daniel Jones looked fucking phenomenal. He's not getting it. He said he was tired. That was last year.

He lost the starting spot for a couple games. And May's right, though. Mace is right. That's all coming back to home. That's going to come back to home. Because when they're getting, when they're getting rid of you, they're going to bring up all of that stuff. Like, you know, hey, maybe he's talent.

Is his motive? But his person is not to be. be that kind of a quarterback yet you don't ever say i was too you just don't say that you know what i mean you you don't say some of the things that he said and it is going to come back and i don't really give a fuck to be honest with you i don't i don't really know why he's a topic i mean i get he's a topic but do you care stat i was asking if daniel jones's position was stamped like does this mean like he's in there for real i mean but do you care about anthony richerson like him doing well.

I mean, I want everybody to do well, but a rubber band going to get you out the game. A rubber band going to get you out the game. Anthony Richardson, he's going to have to take the listening round. He don't even have the chance that this thing I'm about to say is God. He's going to have one of them redemption shows like Gino Smith, like four years from down the line or some shit like that. It's a dove for that nigga.

Like, he's going to be one of them niggas. Anthony Rich is going to be one of them niggas where he's a backup somewhere. Like, God forbid, any quarterback, anybody else. hurt for that situation. Like the Vikings quarterback get hurt in four years whoever the quarterback is. Like, I'm saying it ain't the same quarterback today and be like and Anthony Richards

comes in. He'd be like, oh shit, that's where that nigger went. Oh shit, I ain't even know. Like last year, well, I don't know if last year the year before last, I was sitting there watching and Patrick Mahomes got hurt for like 32 seconds. Yeah. And Alex. Alex, you don't even know y'all. Who's the he didn't even know of a backup quarterback. It's just it.

This nigga here is fake-ass, Kansas City, that you feel. Yeah, tell me. Tell me about Alex. Who's Alex? Tell me about him. Tell me about Alex. I was trying to trip you up. Alex.

Oh, my. More than, this is murder good. But I was like, I was watching Kansas City and Patrick Mahomes. He was hurt for like 30 seconds. He got back out there. And Carson Wentz got on the film. I'm like, oh, shit. This is what Carson Winston Winston.

end up being, I ain't even, oh, I forgot about the nigga car. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's going to be one of his stories, how you'd be like, okay, cool. Because, like Mike said and murder said, you had a start spot and said you was tired. And then they put you on the bench and put Joe Flacco in like, all right, Joe ain't tired, even though he's 49 going on 72. He ain't tired. Let's see how this work out.

I was just a Joe that won the games that they thought he might win. But, nigger, you can't, Mike is correct, and Mace is correct. You can't say those things. Okay, y'all, we're going to go to break. When we return, we got to talk about this Giants versus Broncos game. Don't go anywhere. She called this thing about it's toxic. Four years and counting.

Got you feeling like a option. Maybe I'm my own problem, baby. She's tired of hearing, I don't know. My stubborn in me won't fall. Healing with this thing called trust But she really thinking about She wanted to be free Welcome back

Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day So today the Bucks will play the Lions Underdog has Baker Mayfield At 243 and a half passing yards You have higher lower Mace I'm going higher Baker Mayfield's been on a rampage I think he gets higher

This is to me the most I mean, we have some great games this week. I don't really see anything beating that Broncos' Giants game. But if it was a game that I was looking forward to this week, it's the game tonight. We know what the Lions do. We see that what Tampa Bay is doing this year. It looks like Tampa Bay may be the best scene in the NFC presently, presently. Lions may have something say about that.

And right now, Baker Mayfield is my MVP if I have to vote today. So I'm going to go higher. Okay. Jared Gough is at one and a half passing touchdowns. You have him higher or lower. Cam? Jared Gough has been playing good after that first loss that they caught in the beginning of the season. He's made a big comeback, even though I know they caught another one, but I think Jared Gough is going to play good. This is really a battle between Jared Gough and Baker Mayfield. So I'm looking forward to this, but I'm going to go higher for golf.

Yes, I'm definitely going higher for golf. I think this is the year that he tried to make something happen. They're way overdue. Okay. And Jamir gives at 62 and a half rushing yards. Do you have them higher or lower Mace? I don't see no reason why he can't get higher. I think, I mean, at this point, I'm just going to go higher. I'm going to go higher. Okay. Make sure y'all download the underdog app and you can make your picks too. So now y'all, we've got a real good game. So the Giants lost to the Broncos 33 to 32. Mike, how do you feel about the Broncos comeback?

What a phenomenal job in that comeback by, you know, Bo Nicks and, and, and, and, and, and, you know, in the Denver Broncos at home to put up 33 points right there in the fourth quarter and I was watching that game, right? And I thought, wow, the Giants drove down and drove and made that play. The quarterback

made the play. This is what? I'm going to tell you something. The dart and scatter this is a whole different group. I love these dudes. I love the energy that they bring and the energy that they play with, you know, and they're making such a difference on that team. That plays,

to get the go ahead touchdown. Daniel Jones stretching that thing across the goal line like that. It was 30 seconds left. You know, those are young guys. They're like, we won this game. This game is over. And, you know,

courtless sudden down that left side line goes and make a big play and they get an opportunity to kick that field goal. So listen, I love what I see with the Giants. Those games like that, that young team, that young guy, a quarterback, young guy, and running back. They don't learn.

In college, you win that game. Not in the NFL. You know, maybe Daniel Jones would have put that ball on the one-inch line and let about 15, 20 more seconds run off and then score the next time. You got a, in the NFL, you got 30 seconds is a lot of time.

And they went right down and got that field goal. A lot of people will be all over the kicker because at least he should have made that field goal, that extra point. And you got a chance to at least give it. a tie right there. But yeah, I thought that was incredible by Denver, sticking in there, playing hard and coming back getting that win. Bo Nix hit him, Corley-Sutton, down the sideline to make that big play. That's his game. That's what Corley-Sutton does.

Put the ball anywhere near him, he'll come up with that ball. Yeah, I think when it comes to the Giants, I wasn't really seeing this team like I saw this weekend. They got some really good young wide receivers there. I think if DART continue to play well, you got some big targets pause with two of those, whether it's Bellinger or Robinson, I think they got a lot of size when it comes to those wide receivers. And it looked like now they got three different receivers that could put up some yards. And when you add that to scatter, how you say it? Scataboo. They could be really, really tough in the future. I think give them a year or so out, they'll be a really good team. I wasn't seeing this before, but watching the game, I was able to see that they could

really be a team that makes it up. And Arabia, how do you feel about the Broncos comeback? Demarius Thomas was a wide receiver for the Broncos. He played 10 years in the NFL, eight of those 10 were with the Broncos. He died at 33 years old from CTE, from playing in the league for a long time and from a car accident and um you know his his his death was super tragic died at 33 demarius thomas was entered into the ring of fame yesterday during that giant's broncos game and the broncos came back and won 33 points and a comeback win so take that for what it is um you know very interesting story but where is nick because nick has you know what's crazy no hold on hold on hold on Hold on.

Everybody, everybody gets, they take, because I told, I gave Nick, I'm told Nick, after we give out, take it, I want him to come give a segment. I gave him, I told him he could come in after this, because I told him, I called Nick in the middle of this game, and he was, he was hurt, he was hurt. But the guy at Arabia, he'll be in in a second. Okay. Let me give him, wait, Ray, Reddy, let me say, I appreciate you bringing up Demarius. That was my boy, Ramirez number 88, and, and you are absolutely right.

They did honor him, and I should have mentioned that, because that. That was my guy, man. And remember that playoff game with Demarius, when Tim Tebow through the Marius, that's man. And they knocked off the Pittsburgh Steelers, man. So, and they came back to knock off those Pittsburgh Steelers. So this was fitting. I didn't think about that.

This was a fitting game to honor Demarius Thomas, and especially what he had done in that playoff game, winning that game against Pittsburgh, because I had interviewed Ben Rothensberger earlier that year for ESPN, in one of the shows I was on. And Ben Rossensberger, he was so jealous of all the talk about Tim Tebow with the Denver Broncos at that time.

He said, man, Michael, I wish we could play them in the playoffs. You know, I saved that clip. And when they was getting ready to play, I played that everywhere. What Ben Rossesberger told me he wishes, he's going to destroy them. And Demerius and Tim Tebow made a great play. That was a great night, you're right, to honor Demerius. So I appreciate you bringing that up and giving my guys some love. Hey, Mike, do you take credit for everybody with 88?

Yeah, yeah, I put him in an 88 club. That's what I was doing on TV all the time. Demarius called me one time. He called me and said, hey, man, well, I'm going to get in an 88 club. I said, can you make enough plays? And then as soon as he made some plays, he went on air and told him, I knew I made the 88 club back. That's how we became boys, man.

Yeah, that was my dude, man. Anybody, you wear 88 and you wear it well, you gotta be my boy. I'm gonna talk about that. Let's look. Cam. Yeah, um, Giant say shit.

Fuck is all this Jackson. Look, niggas always trying to look at the upside of mediocre. That's New York problem. The upside of mediocre, yo, it's energy with Jackson Dart. And yeah, and the motherfuckers staddaboo with this and the third. John's supposed to be known for their defense. They gave up 33 points in the fourth quarter. I was like, oh shit, John.

Nice, something, 190 are going into the fourth. Look at this shit. They shutting out the Broncos. Because the Broncos have been looking half decent this season. And I said, no, they're going to get a shutout victory against the Broncos. But nope, New York. What do they do? Just the shit that New York does.

Yankees lately, Knicks forever. We don't know. The last time we've seen the Jets, motherfucking, the two Super Bowls that we have in recent history, they've been lucked niggis catching, you know, fucking helmet catches, all type of shit to win Super Bowls. But listen, man, dumb niggas ain't shit. And what I'm really disappointing is DeBull. I always pronounce his name, Brian DeBuller, whatever his name is for the coach.

His play calling is situational play call is terrible. I'm going to keep it a buck. If you watch this game, they, you know, they shouldn't even got, they got a flag on the one-yard line. That wasn't no fucking pass interference. You get bailed out on the one-yard line. You throw a 40-yard pass. They called pass interference.

You got a minute in about 20 seconds. And Mike sitting up acting like the niggas did it like that. Oh, the quarterback did itself. He ran it in. Nah, Mike. Them niggas got a penalty with a minute 20. I don't even know how they got that call on the road. No, damn well, that shouldn't have been no pass interference.

They get the call and then, you know what? They scored touchdown. He should have scored the touchdown. He got a fucking penalty on the one-yard line. They kicked the ball to fucking the Broncos. The Broncos get on their 20-yard line with 30-second. left and the Giants let these niggas march up the field 80, 70, 70 yards, with 30 seconds left. They ain't shit.

I'm not looking at the upside. I'm not looking at the scatterboot. I'm not looking at Jackson Dart. They should have fucking not lost the game, especially getting one of the bullshit past interference calls like they fucking got. That was some bullshit. I don't care what nobody said. That was not past interference first and foremost. So they got what they deserved in the first place.

I'm not looking at the upside. They're in last place in the division. What upside we're talking about? No. It's just good energy because it's new people. They're like, oh, don't worry about a year or two. There's always a year or two when it comes to New York. Oh, we're just a year or two.

We're just a year or two. Yeah, year out. Yeah, we're just a year or two. No, we got Jalen Brunson. Oh, we got Josh Hart. Oh, we got Josh Hart. We got Jalen Brunson. No, we got this thing.

We're just a year or two. It's always a year or two with New York sports teams. I'm tired of a year or two. That niggas trash. Your play calling from your offensive coordinator was trashed in the last series down the field. I don't know what your defense coordinator was doing, letting the nigga get up the field 70 yards and 30 seconds. Your kicker was trashed. He was just in Rutgers.

I don't know where y'all signed to him at. He didn't even get the extra point because the game could have been tied. Nah, the whole, all three phases was trash. All three phases. Nick, come on in. Come on. Come on. Come on.

Come on. Yeah, hear you know. Yeah, hurry up. Yeah, hurry up. There is no one. I don't have nothing to say to this. because, damn. No, man, they fucked up

in all three phases of the game, man. Damn. Get off your chest, man. Pause. Nobody's safe. All right. First of all, first of all,

yo, hit the cup button. All right. Real convenient, you have me on today. That's why I always say it be your own people, so I appreciate that. Cam calls me on the last drive, and I'm like, yo, If someone got robbed, someone has held up right now,

someone passed away, God forbid. I was like, it got a wait, bro. It got a wait. You ain't pick up. I ain't pick up. Pain, bro. Pain, pause. It was crazy because I was talking so much shit at halftime,

telling everybody like, yo, we back. All my friends are Cowboys and Eagles fans, so I'm like, yo, we back, fuck out of here. Y'all go learn all that shit. It got real quiet at the end. Really quiet. Well, Rayby was looking for you because I guess she has something to ask you. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. No. It's just two comments because there was a lot of Instagram posts with tagging at all 32 NFL. We sold back, baby, all this and all that. I saw a beautiful picture of Ashanti in the Bahamas. She looks so good. She was with her son.

Congratulations. And she just looking thick, thicker than the glass at the zoo. And there's one part where she's kind of turned around and you just see her ass. That's how ass the Giants' defense was in the fourth quarter. Just absolutely cheeks, horrible. So you doing all this Instagram at all 32 NFL, we back, we back.

You're not back of anything but the division with us. I stay to a seat in the back of the division. This is one seat behind mine, but yes, it's us. We hanging out in the back of that division. That's where you're back to. Us, we back in the back of the division. That's where we're at with it right now. I also want to say one thing.

We were supposed to do the show together when the Giants won. And, of course, I don't get the call up then. Now you got to kick me when I'm down. It's crazy, man. I'm out of here. I can't do this. Well, hold on. Where's the kicker from the Giants from?

You were telling me earlier. Tell me about the kick. So, first of all, with that kicker, Ganoa is our regular kicker. This dude always hurt. I don't know what he's pulling left and right. Every single time he's hurt. This kicker's from Rutgers. They signed them earlier this week.

I would have left, you know, Cam, I would have left them in Denver, seats and hat, and be like, yo, find your way home, bro. Walk your ass back. I think he signed the nigger from Rutgers earlier this week. Yeah, it was a rap. Once I found out he was from Rutgers, I was like, this isn't going to end good. And he missed a PAT before that, too. Yeah, I see they went for too early.

What he should have done, Nick, when he missed that PAT, he should have just stayed in Denver and gone on the shotgun Willie. They just take a job over there. Yeah. They're saying, thank you for helping us. We're going to get you all the free dances you want. You see what I'm saying. They're taking care of him over there.

But, man, I'm telling you, but Nick, let me tell you. I'm telling you, New York, they are back when they get, when they get Malik neighbors and add it to these groups and these young boys they got right now. Talk to them. Talk to me. Talk to me. And, bro, when you get dark scatibou and Malik neighbors all on one offense, you're going to have your triplets. I do believe that.

Malik neighbors are beast. Yeah. And also, also, Cam, I was bailing you out, bro. With the Eagles, I sent you that text. I was like, yo, you did that for New York. The NY that you threw on, the Eagles were going to lose those games. John's who's going to win? We was going to be back.

The thing about I don't need no favors, bro. Do me a favor and don't do me no favors. That's my slogan, actually. My team won this week. Thank you, Nick. Let's have to shed some light on it, man. I appreciate it, bro. Wow, y'all.

Sorry. Nobody is a safer. Don't do me no favors. Nobody is safe. Do me a favor and don't do me. no favors. That's my slogan. But Nick, you know, I love you, man. What I will add, though, for the Giants, even though we just kind of kicked them, there is hope. No, no, no. No, why don't we say it's hope? There is. There's literally, we've seen it. We've literally seen that there is hope.

If I were a Giants fan, they still have things to be excited about because people didn't even think that they were going to be in this position. And I know that's mediocrisy. I know you're going to say that. Hold on a second. The position is last place. I know, but we did think they would be in this position. The way things started is not how it's going. Yes, it's a loss. I know that. Let me ask murder, Murda.

You give up 33 points in the fourth quarter and defense supposed to be a specialty. Do this look like positive? No, there's nothing positive about this. This is catastrophic. Thank you. That's all right. I see how Nick is feeling.

And the thing about murder, maybe we're from New York. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe you have 32 with a few minutes to left. Yeah, maybe we up here with a bunch of Daniel. Who less than you get 33 points? Yo, you know, and now we got basketball coming around the corner. We got basketball coming.

Cam, that felt like game one, bro. When Halliburton hit that shot and they blew that lead, the same pause pain, both of those outcomes. Yeah. At what point did they take it serious when you get 14? Okay, now they got 21. When do we get serious? Yeah.

They got 28. You know your They had zero. At what point do you get serious? That's a good point, murder. This is true. Niggas is down 32 points. Niggas say, okay, they got seven.

Now they got 14. Now they got 21. You think we should get serious at 28? It's a great point, murder. Maybe. Maybe we up, maybe besides me and you, the whole panel is Daniel Joneses. Everybody on the panel see something good about this. I don't know, man.

I think this is horrible. Let me help you at all. Okay. Oh, yeah, Rabia, you East Coast, though. You get it. Wait, wait, wait, guys. No, I'll, I'll start this season with Russell Wilson at quarterback. What?

You started this season with Russell Wilson at quarterback. That's what I'm saying. Nothing going. You had nothing going with Russell Wilson head quarterback. Now, even though you lost the game today, you got hope. Now you know that you're working on something. You didn't know what you were going to be next year. You will be sitting in the same spot.

You're hoping and thinking, dude, put the young guy out there. You got something. You just got to see it. I know. I built teams from the ground up. I know what it looks like. Oh, look now. This is like a Jimmy Johnson.

Now you, Jimmy Johnson. Now you Jimmy Johnson You Jerry Johnson Now you Jimmy Johnson and Jerry He built it now you Jimmy Johnson and Jerry He built from the ground up Hey yo let me ask you a question Mike Let me ask you a question

I don't know this for a fact But maybe this is a better question for Nick Talking about How many games did Russell Wilson win this year? Zero He didn't win any games No Okay I thought I didn't know

Yeah second week he had like 400 yards So they kind of caping a little Yeah, no, he did. Yeah, he got 400 yards. So how many games did Russell Wilson lose? Three. So I'm just looking at stats because I really don't know. So Jackson Dart is two and two?

Two and two. Okay, so he's 500. Mediopal. But it's still hope. Yo, we back, you know, that's what I'm saying. We're back. He keeps saying, we're back. You're not back.

No, you're not. You're not. You're losing. Or what? Yeah, but hope for what? Because you said that when Malik neighbors comes back, the Giants are going to have this kind of like trio. And even if that's true, best case scenario,

they're in a situation like the Bengals where you're this high power offense scoring 45 points just to lose. You have to have a defense that can compliment that. And on paper, if Kvon Tivito with Abdul Carter, with Brian Burns, with sexy Dexie, with all these people on your defense can't get it done, the offense is just going to be out here putting points up and losing games. And then the third phase of football with special teams,

you know, the NFL changed the cable rules to where. the kicker can now spend a week preparing the ball, a week. So they get a certain amount of bowl. They get 60 balls per season pause. And they have those balls during the week. They can kick them. They can stretch them. They can wax them, all the kind of stuff.

Even to that point, that's why you're saying so many field goals that are going for longer, your kicker can't even make a field goal. There's hope for the offense, sure. But even that hope extends only so far because you're relying on a rookie quarterback and a rookie runnerback who has revitalized this offense. You don't even know really what they are through four games. And no, it's not like, oh, this hopeful situation. Talk to them, right?

Talk to them, right? Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We just used to get, now, we play ball and they do that. You were losing.

You were on a lose-lose set with at least this young man, you're in a, even if you lose, you're still winning. Oh my goodness You know Mike I'm out I'm not Mike talk to him You sleep me

Mike talk to him You sleep me Mike It's very important Let me finish Because even if you lose The game He gained experience Russell Wilson ain't gonna be that next year

Or the year after year after that God will be there for the next 10 years So now you're not in a lose lose That's what's that talking about You got hope now Let me tell you what the analogy that I use, the analogy I use, the analogy I use when I use the Cowboys.

Because once you got that quarterback, you've got a running back, and you got that wide receiver. Now you have a nucleus, and those guys are all hard fighting guys. They play hard, they fight hard. All they have to do is make sure everybody that comes on that team, I don't care about friends. I only care about wins. I need your playing like us. I'm going to the front office and get your ass out of here. I got Mike, Uncle Mike, Uncle Mike, there's no experience award.

There's no experience award at the end of the season. You have to get him at the end of the season. And you also said he's going to be there. He's going to be there for 10 years. You don't know that. I was just about to say that. Who was driving around. He was out there five years.

I think it might be there five weeks. You'll be that. Yeah, you have no idea. So he's gaining all this experience just to take with him to the, you know how you, you date. in a guy or a girl, and then you give them all this experience, and then they go to the next one, and you fully groomed them for the next one. The Giants could be fully grooming Jackson Dart

for the next team. You just don't know that. That's a fact. He can have him. You're killing Mike today. Listen, man. No, no, no, no. I got to go over there.

You guys are talking emotion. You guys are talking emotion. I'm talking reality. Yeah. Mike, you're emotional. Hope ain't reality, Mike. Mike, you are dealing with a First of all, let's be clear. Let's be clear.

Arabia is a, and I don't got no dog in the fight. They neither do Arabia, neither do you. So we're not emotional. The other of these are our teams. Nick's the one that's only one here that's emotional. Yeah, he's talking about hope. Hope is emotional. Arabia is 100% right.

You sit there and say Daniel Jones is the quarterback for the Giants. And then what? He's out in two, three years. And you sitting there's going to say Jackson Dart is the next thing is, I'm willing to bet you, God will. around. He will not be the quarterback in 10 years. I'm willing to make that bet because you got to realize this. Let's say we end up getting the Sean Payton situation where Brian the bull don't keep his job and then the next coach is like, well I ain't signed up for this

nigger. I want this nigger just coming out the draft in four years from there. We got an animal pause that's coming out the draft. I didn't sign this nigger. So if the bull doesn't even keep his job, how do you know that Jackson Jart is going to keep his job with the Giants? that coach is going to get the job is he's going to go in there and he's going to sell how he can get dark to the next level that's the key because that's all they want to hear right now we found our quarterback can you help him get to the next level now you guys are bringing up a great point the question the big question ain't dark and the big question ain't scatible they're not getting rid of those dudes now the coach may be another story because i i know we got uh to go to break Let me ask you this, right? I'm just asking. Yeah. In a matter of fact, maybe you can pull this up while I'm asking Mike the question, right?

Is there anybody, and I'm just asking, and it could be probably just Dak Prescott possibly. What's the ages of the quarterbacks in the NFC East? How old is Jaylon Dengers? How old is Jaylon Hertz? How old is Debt Prescott? Just asking. That's probably. That's the old.

Jayden is 24. We got that. That's that. Then who we got? Jalen Hertz. How old is Jalen Hertz? Back's the oldest. All right.

So for the next five years minimum, he ain't going to be better than nobody in the NFC East at quarterback position, minimum the next five years. He ain't going to be bad than Dak Prescott. He's not going to be bad than Jalen Daniels, and he's not going to be bad than Jalen Hertz.

So you better hope he does get a team to surround him because you can be Jackson darted out But if you're finished last in the division every year for the next five years, I don't care how excited you are. You know who's a good back court murder? C.J. McCullough and Damian Lillian. Yeah. For 10, 12 years, it just couldn't get done.

It just doesn't win. I thought both of them are phenomenal guards, undersized a little bit in the two guard positions. But at the end of the day, great guards, it doesn't win. You have the worst quarterback for the next at least five years in the division. I don't care how good Jackson Dart is. He ain't going to get better than none of them because all of them, not all of them outside of deck,

but we see what DAC is doing, look like DAC is in his prime, and these other two are still growing. They're not even 30 yet. Jane Diels aren't even 25. Cut it out, Mike. And Mike, Mike, let me help you out, Mike. Mike, wait, wait, wait, wait, Mike.

AI says something about what you're doing right now because you've been talking about hope and we've been telling you're emotional. And in an AI, it says hope deferred, refers to prolonging waiting for a desired outcome and never getting it leads to emotional distress disappointment in a sick heart. I'm saying it gives them hope. You guys, you guys, your perspective, you got to open it up.

See, tell you what you're missing up. I guarantee you, DART, when you talk about, when you're talking about, when you're talk about when you compare in the quarterback situation dark is closer to his floor while those other guys made with the exception or jane daniel is closer to their ceiling uh that that jane hurts they're closer to that ceiling this kid is closest to his floor he has so much more room to grow and so much more to learn in this league so and remember this remember this he ain't dark as us he going to get pleading Plenty time.

Plenty time. You know what I'm saying? He ain't that. He ain't Jay. He ain't jailing. He ain't that dark. He's going to get plenty time. I know one thing.

I know, to me, my personal opinion, Daniels was whiting in him. Yeah. Yeah. And he's around the same age as Jay and Daniel, so I don't get it. What he's trying to say is that his NFL ceiling is not there, but his NFL ceiling might be only two floors when other niggas is 100. is a hundred. Uh-huh.

I like God. I like him mentality. I like his mentality. I like his fight. I'm telling you guys. Arabia will beat you today on the NF, on the Giants. I'm worried about. I'm worried about. I'm worried about what the Giants are going to be in a few years.

I'm worried about it. Okay. And then last. Hold on. Stan, you have the pinging. Go ahead. He was on, we was cutting you off a lot. I gave my opinion.

I'm just like maybe, because y'all acting like Mike is delusional, but I completely agree with him. That's why I'm like, dang, to each their own, because I do feel like they're not in as bad as a position as everybody's making it seem. Like, I just feel like that's part of the process. And luckily, some teams have had better processes than others, and we're going to see it continue to shift.

But I don't think he's going to be gone in 10 years, and I wish we could, like, put it to the test and see what happens. My thing is this, see, Stap based people who she liked or how they do their TikTok dances. That is not true. That is not true. I see that nigga doing TikTok dances in his own.

So now, Scott Michael, they was doing the same TikTok dances. No, I just think it's excited. I think they have something to be excited about when you see two players specifically who are young and leading the team and they beat a team that nobody expected them to beat.

They're in a really good position right now. And even if we're not seeing the vision specifically right now just because they lost this game, I think we will start to see it as the seasons progress. That's all I'm saying. And they lost the quarter. Right. They lost their last quarter.

They won the rest of them. Yeah, that's not a bad, that's not a bad thought. And my last thing is we see excitement in the league year after year. We saw excitement with the dolphins when Tua and Tyreek were together. And Tyree came over from the Chiefs and there was just this really great team. That was hopeful. And they, you know, 2022. And then we kind of see where that went.

So only time we'll tell. Only time we'll tell. Okay. In the comments down below, y'all let us know if you think the Giants are back. But that is all the time that we have for today. Mike and Arabia, it was a pleasure to have you both on the show.

This is a great conversation. Yeah. Yeah, this was good. I like you too. I like the dynamic, man. Very good. Mike, hope deferred, make the heart sick. Yeah, man.

We don't want you getting sick, man. Hope. Hope will dictate effort. When you've got great hope, you'll give a great effort. If you got little hope, you give little effort. So the guys in New York will have hope and get a great effort. That's why I'm saying it will change soon in New York.

I just hope Cowboys get a Super Bowl before it happens. How do we hear it? Jesse Michael Jackson. Jesse Michael, Jackson. Jesse Michael Jackson. Keep hope alive, nigga. On that, no, y'all. Jesse Jackson, nervous.

This went so fast tonight. It did. We got a lot of talking about. Whoa. It went so quickly. Yeah. It went so quickly. I guess it, I guess you'll probably cut it down since the child who was here what they did today.

To be honest, what you might the show and wait like 20 minutes over the time we usually go. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't feel like that to me. I was like, I'm so happy. And I love that. I thought I'm saying. I know.

I thought you were signing us out. Get us out of here. He's so happy. I can't stop the black boy joy. Like, he's just happy. But you know what, y'all? Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is. What you want, nigger. Everything nigger supersized. Two big necks. Like when they doing them two for five.