IT IS WHAT IT IS - MICHAEL IRVIN SAYS THE COWBOYS ARE GOING TO WIN THE SUPER BOWL!

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

Ma$e, Cam'ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are here with another one!! On this episode, Michael Irvin is riding the high of thanksgiving with the Cowboys win over the Chiefs, Mike says this is the start to a Super Bowl run for Dallas and we think he’s wilding! Then, we talk about the return of Joe Burrow for the Bengals & picking up the win over their divisional opponents the Ravens. Next, are the Bears the best team in the NFC? Last but not least, Sheduer Sanders & Jerry Juedy had an incident on the sideline, is there more to this? Intro (0:00) Cowboys Are Going To The Super Bowl (2:00) Joe Burrow Returns (26:30) Are The Bears The Best NFC Team (48:00) Shedeur Sanders & Jerry Juedy Incident (55:00) Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Sign up with promo code IIWII and play $5 to get $100 in bonus funds: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-itiswhatitis #UDpartner Follow the show and our hosts on social media: ⁠It Is What It Is⁠, ⁠Cam'Ron⁠, ⁠Ma$e⁠, and ⁠Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson⁠ , ⁠Producer Ayooo Nick⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and start playing today with code. It is what it is. I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your host, Cam. Mace will be back. And today we are joined with our analyst, Michael Irvin. Mike, what's up, man? Man, this is, I want to check the rules. I want to look at my contract.

I know, I know the week after we beat the Kansas City Chiefs is somewhere in that contract. If that happens, Mace's supposed to have his ass on this show. There's been a violation. Some kind of way. I don't want to hear that. How his mate's not showing up? Oh, this is they got the COVID? What's going on with this?

What was wrong? You got your boat I already I already know this nigga this man going to talk about he was packing up because title town

got a moon and all this dumb shit I already know that's next that's why you're going to say he wasn't here today but listen man Mike

I don't know why you ain't got that dashiki that's the first thing you should have on because that might have out that might help out you might want to keep that on the rest of the season all the way around i got it right here now don't don't don't fool yourself trust me it is right here i hold it dear i was talking about it the other day too so don't think about it think about it i talked about

this on on my other thing i said man since we put it on it wasn't there just the cowboy's roles the eagles are falling they're going through it's both ways because that whole you know that whole thing where there haven't been a repeat winner in the NFC East and it looked like that Philadelphia was about to do it and then I put on my poncho, my dashiki my Mexican Americans

and all that has been happened to my Mexican people here we connect the America's team and you see what I'm saying? Do y'all not see the beautiful story put down there? I mean right, we ain't politics we are not divisive

we unite And that's what, yeah, you know where I'm seeing. I'm so happy, man. I'm so happy about it, dog. Y'all, y'all can't eat. And ain't nobody give the Cowboys a chance for this. And it wasn't that, okay, well, the Chiefs were just, oh, pass my home, stu-fok TVs.

It was like, hey, you went out there. Every time he went and got to grab the fish, we went and caught a bigger fish. I'm just saying, man, I don't want to beat a champ when they say, oh yeah he wasn't the same he was down he was no no i want to hear that four t d from patrick mahomes we beat him at the best that's what i want to know that's what i'm just saying and the cowboys deserve credit for that i i i was really proud of him so you want to actually like actually start the topic for you so we don't not even surprised it went that way mike you have every reason to feel that way. And you do have a good place. You're like, of course, Mace isn't here. The whole week,

you can bring it back if you like. You know, I think that that is fair. You could talk on it this whole entire week because like we said, we got to waste for the next game. He will be back. I think you should still say what you've got to say. But glad to have you. Hope you guys all had a great holiday. I know you did, Mike. So let's get into that game because the Cowboys went on to beat the Chiefs 31 to 28. Mike, how do you feel about the way this game went? And what do you say to all the haters who thought y'all couldn't do it? Well, and there are a couple things. We talked about this here. I remember bringing it up to you guys. And at the time, rightfully so, you know, just about castrated me when I said, let's see what Quentin Williams mean to this defense. Now, you were

getting back, you were getting in Quinn and William's in and getting back of the Marion overshone. And now, what is amazing to me is to see this defense that went from, they were not the 32nd worst defense

against the run in the NFL. They were, they were like at 64. There were 32 teams that don't even exist that was better than number. You see what I'm saying? They were way down there. And now they are number one. Oh, God, you know, it's got to take the same.

You always got to you and 32 ghost teams. It's crazy. Number one. I'm just talking distance travel. I tell you I always measure men in distance travel. Number one against the wrong. You came from 64 to number one. That is a hell of a climb.

That tells you the depth of a man. I'm telling you for real. And then you see that defense in the end make the plays to get a win against Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. Yeah. And that offense, y'all see it, is really coming together now, George Pickens and C.D. Lamb. So I said this, and I'm going to say this here. One week, we beat the current champs.

Then the next week, we beat the perennial champs. Soon and very soon, we will be champs. Just letting it on. I wish I had it, I wish I had a queued up, I wish I had a queued up, Nick. Put my championship on the table. That's all I'm just put my championship on the goddamn table. I wish I had to queued up because that's what this is leading. This is what this is leading to.

This is leading to that. I love it. I love it. You think I'm going to have another way to fall off an age like that. You're going to fall right off the edge again, Mike. And I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait.

One thing I can say about my bro, Stephen A. Smith, it seems like, yo, every year they get built up to get let down even further. You know, because every year it always seems like something's going to happen. No, look, the defense is in. Yo, look what's going on. Mike got the parts. I see, I was watching you on Instagram, too. It was a lot of Kansas City fans in that stadium, man, dude, dude, no, it was, I've never seen that, man.

I've never seen that. It was all red. It really worked. It shows, honestly, it says, first of all, that they truly believe they were America's team. They weren't to show up. They were. They weren't. But that's why it happened.

And you guys do know, the roots are from here. The Kansas City Chief used to be the Dallas Texans. The roots are from here. Lamar Hunt, the family, everybody is here. Then they moved to Kansas City, and the expansion team Dallas Cowboys came in. So their roots are here. A lot of their base fans from families,

the Hunts and all that are still here. So, yeah, they packed that stadium with red. But as I said, that red was dead. We killed the red. Red rum. Red rum. Red rum, you know, red rum is backwards, don't you? We murder.

No, God, red rom, murder. That's what we did. Red rum. Mike, you're lucky y'all and I to put the words together and make a rhyme. You would be a Grammy nominated, if not one, and all it's definite. You might need to write some poetry, nigga. Because you know how to sell the shit, man. You're not lucky you'll not put them shit together and make it rhyme, man.

Because you definitely sell a damn story. Listen, man. Y'all played a great game. And Patrick Mahomes played great, too. If Patrick Mahomes played great. You know, what I was thinking is this. Of course, the team effort, Patrick Mahomes is from around the Dallas area. He wanted to come back there and show his ass, I suppose.

So that's what I was leaning on before this game when I picked the Chiefs to win. Not only that, I was trying to support my fun, you know. I didn't really care to be honest with you. I tried to bring the Chiefs out, hat out, and everything else. But to be honest with you, I don't care. about even one of these teams, especially how my team is doing in this particular season. But listen, Mike, back to what I was already saying, Stephen A. Smith, both our brother, he hits the nail on the head, pause year after year after year, because y'all always get to this point.

You know, it's even better when you're like this compared to when you know it's almost over, when you know y'all not going to make the playoffs, when you know you're not going to win. When y'all think y'all going to win, just like how you feel now, you know, you think it's spiritual. You think the Mexicans is involved. You think, no, no, no, no, listen, listen, listen. You think that you got it, you think you got it situated with the offense because that Prescott figured it out. Okay, I'm going to let C.D. Lamb be the man this week because it seemed like Pickens is getting too much shy in the last couple weeks. Let me make sure C.D. get 100 plus yards and make him happen.

That's going to come to the head soon. One of these games soon is not, it's going to be on screen, it's not going to be disguised. Them two niggas is going to bump heads, and I don't know if they're going to bump heads directly, but it's going to be a quarter of a wide receiver, one or two problems. Mark my words, it will be a problem sooner than later. Mike, do you all this is all you want. Sooner than later. No, I can say, I don't get it.

Mike, listen, I'm not saying they're not. They may point the finger at that. I'm not saying they not, boy. It's going to be a problem sooner or later. But listen, congratulations. The game was spectacular. It was a great Thanksgiving game. But I will say this.

I like it better when you're in this move because it's just a bigger letdown later on. But feel good. Congratulations, man. Tell me about how y'all going to win the NFC East this year and then win the Super Bowl. Because for now one, have every clip mic lined up for now and one

from the rest of the season, Nick, for here on out, period. Okay, okay, the last thing on it there. Let's go on. And here's a difference. And here's a difference. It's crazy. We went from 12 to 5, 12 to 5, 12 to 5, 25. Then those are letdowns because you had one of the best records in the NFL.

You win the playoffs and nothing happened. But when you're at the bottom and somehow they found the man in them and it starts rising up and pushing towards the top, the letdown was already on the ground. We're raising up now. You can't go back down. You had us at the worst. We were the worst team.

So we were already, oh, oh, oh, oh. We were already in the bad place. So wherever we end up, we're in a fight now for a playoffs. Hey, boy, uh-huh, uh-huh. Mike, you wasn't the worst team. The Giants were the worst team and the commanders were the worst team. So not acting like you was the worst team. You wasn't not the worst team.

You never was the worst team. Why do you come up here and sold our intelligence? Why do you come up here and insult people intelligent? Why do you do that? Why do you do that and saw people intelligence and try to act like y'all was in the bottom like the Tennessee Titans? Why do you come up here and insult people intelligence like this, right? Why are you doing?

Let me ask you one question. Let me ask you one question. Did not a few weeks ago, just a few weeks ago, just a short few weeks ago. You put me in a corner and said to me, Michael, are y'all the worst team in the whole division? So the Giants are in that division. So now, no, no, that was a question. directly from you, Your Honor. Your Honor, I was on the witness stand, Your Honor,

and you asked me that question. I looked you right in there. I had swore. I thought it was all the truth, nothing but the truth, so help you go on. And then we broke that down. We broke that down. Remember when I said statistically speaking? That wouldn't be true.

But your thoughts were that it was true. So that means we were at the bottom. You can't put us at the bottom, take us off the bottom, you can't keep moving now. You can't vacillate. You've got to hold your point. What week are we in right now in the NFL season? What week are we in?

At this point. We're in week 13, I believe. We set this in week three, Mike. You're talking about a little short time ago. It was 10 weeks ago that we set the day at the worst team. The Giants will, I believe, I have two wins. So what are you talking about? So what are you talking about, Mike?

Why? Yeah, what are you talking about? Man, that's the other thing. You're on the scatterboot and I'm a nigga, the quarterback height. We set this week three. It's been 10 weeks since. And you're still running with that to about a little short time ago. It's been two and a half months since I said that.

Matter of fact, I see, I see Macy's here, Mike. I see he pulled up. And I see he came. I see he came in that dark hoodie like he'd been sneaking around child, nigger. Which is sneaking for. What's your snigger for? What's that doing?

You know, Mike. Mike. Hey, they're joking. They're sneaking around town, man. Has anybody seen you, Mace? You've been wearing that everywhere. Has anybody seen you?

Yeah, people will see me everywhere. They're talking. They're always talking, though, Mike. This is a part of life. Well, listen, Mace. Mike says it might be mysterious how you'd be missing the day. Yeah. On Monday morning.

And I know there's something going around. I'm sick. I'm sick. I know there's something going around. But, but, but, but I'm showing up. I ain't, you know, hey, I ain't trying to say I got COVID. They ain't know what I'm saying. So, so I'm here.

I know we can be here. I'm just, I just got to, hey, you got to take it like a man. You've been riding that train for a long time now, me, up here. Feeling good. Feeling good. Same thing. Camp. He's been fighting from up here.

This is new to him. We're going to learn some new things about the chief because now they're fighting from down here. We're going to see what kind of fight they really have in them. If they really championed like the Dallas Cowboys were fighting in there. I'm going to keep it 100. Mace has not been fighting for nobody. He's been fighting.

He don't even know them niggas when they start winning. I told niggins Macy was packing up. That's why he wasn't in a tight of town on. Mace don't know these niggins. Mesa abandoned these niggins in a minute and act like he never was rooting for these niggins. He can't tell you nothing about the cheese. Mike? Only know you can tell you

Andy Vian and Packing him on, Chavez, Kelsey. He can't tell you none else. He don't know the history. He don't know nothing about him, bro. He can't tell you nothing. It's really not enough times that for me to tell you everything I know.

you know and it comes to the chiefs i'm really i'm really surprised but i'm more surprised at the cowboys right the amount of money they probably paid the refs was enormous you know me watching the game now i know how people feel about the refs it was just so many flags called one time i think it was about four flags called back to back you know at that point it was trying to make us not play defense I was looking at this, I said, you know what, Mike might have a point. It may be the, it may be the poncho, you know. It may be the whole hex they put on the game. I'm not, I go live.

Me and Mace was on the phone together while this game was going on. He's like, Mike trying to call me there. Yeah. When they got their interception and they went up 7-0, the game was in neutral the game was in neutral you know the the rest wasn't involved um you know I can't say much because there's an investigation on the NBA I wouldn't want it on the NFL you know all the flags they was calling Nick this this made me seem like you know a bag was put out on on us the bag was put out yeah I ain't go a lot listen listen I ain't going to lie when we was watching that game

Whoever number 22 on the motherfucking chiefs, I'm not saying a couple times was the patterns in the France, but all CD Lamb had to do was this. And then he's like, oh yeah, you're right. You right, it's going to flag. Yo, every time they go, then the flag come out lay like, yeah, I was bugger CD, you write.

Every time, shit was ridiculous. I ain't gonna hold you, man. That I'm saying, think of me and murder was on the phone. And the, whoever number 22, I can't remember you. Yeah, shout to you, my nigga. They cheated you a few plays, my nigga. It was over.

It was ridiculous the amount of flags they called him. All CD Lamb had to do with this. They don't even throw it when the actual P.I. They start throwing it after the niggins. I'm like, he's fucking you up, bad. And then through the flag. I ain't going to lie. It was ridiculous.

I can't lie about that. So, oh, I can't wait. I can't wait. Do you do that thing that you do, you know, when you say at the end, everybody, let us know your comments. Oh, my God, it's your way. But they go, hey, you know, as much as them, all them calls the chiefs get. Oh, they're going to tear their ass up in the comments. You really?

They're going to tell them something to call them. Their chief, get, don't you, don't even try to throw that back. God, yeah. So, yeah, I got to see them comments, my. I got to see what the comments come in. Now I know how it feels, pause, you know, when you get your own medicine. This is definitely the reps did they think Sunday, you know? See, but this is my problem, right?

You're right, Mike. The cheese being wild cause, not necessarily. This year, last year was just ridiculous. I sit there, last year was out of control. And then you're sitting here, Mike said, well, maybe it wasn't past interference because that's what the Chiefs usually gets, so it's good for the goose is good

for the game in other words. But my thing is this, if we're doing this, right? Somebody gets killed. And then you arrest a nigger who'll be killing niggins. But he ain't killed this nigga. It's still a

murderer on the loose. You still somebody's still got a fucking call to cause, man. Y'all still got a murder on the loose because this nigger known for killing niggas. Pause. But he ain't killed this person.

So fucking, it's all good because he, we got him for the other, bro, this, we ain't get him for this one. But we're going to pin it on the nigger because that's what we heard he'd be doing anyway. That's not fair. That's not fair, yo. It's not right. Mike, Cam got a point. Cam got a point.

This is, yeah, that's what I was thinking. I mean, that's reaching that, man. That's reaching, man. I mean, boy, that's reaching hard right, bro. I mean, and I love the diversity. I love the diversion you broke within the comment. You know, you know, the brain would attach to certain things. We can either convince or confuse people, and that's what you were doing just then.

You did a great job because you went to the threat, the fear of murder. Everybody's all murder. We almost forgot what the hell we were talking about. There's a nitty killing that, nothing, isn't it? But the reality comes back to what he is. The chiefs have been getting calls all their lives. You can't come up now. Hey, I'll give you an analogy.

It's like the chief, nigger, y'all been doing all the murdering. And now, y'all ain't getting murdered. And you want to stop claiming. What about that analogy? No, nigger. All that people, you don't kill? Okay. Take this killing.

That's the analogy Oh, Kim, right? Hey, Mike, Mike, this is the partial at. What? What's your right here, dog?

You know what I mean? I'm going to be a word. Hey, boy, the puncher ain't going to wood, dog. The puncho's for real, dog. Y'all don't think,

listen, man, I'm serious, y'all, y'all, wait, wait to God do what he does. Wait, to God do what he does.

And you guys see it. Mike, you can't put witchcraft with God, Mike. No, no, no, I'm not, no, on that witchcraft with god no no no no but but but let me tell you i'm just saying i am what they call in old days that see her i get see how god lays things up because what does he do he always take the least and do

the most so you know it was him that got it done this is this is the bible and you did think all y'all thought the cowboys were the least. And look at how my Mexican Americans have been treated in America like they are the least. And when he combined these two least, and then he goes and do the most, hallelujah, we all know it was God.

You understand what I'm saying? Ain't no witchcraft in that. I'm a great seer, and I can see it. Let me stop. Let me stop. I'm so happy for you and your win, Mike. The correlation, you got me.

really got me. But Mace, I do have a question for you because Mike was popping it when you were, he said, he said, you know, we beat y'all at your best. Pat Mahomes got four touchdown. He got this and that. My contract got this, that Mace better be on camera if the Cowboys beat the Chiefs. So my question to you before we move on, do you have a message to Mike and Cowboys fans? Well, actually, I do. been preparing this all morning. That's part of why I was, I was, you know, I took my time because I was thinking about this, right? I had time to think about this. Jack Prescott is better than I thought he was. That's what, that's where I would start. You know, Dak is really better than

I thought. And the refs did them a hell of a thing, you know, this is what I want to say to football nation um whatever jerry jones got the rest for he's probably paying him well you know just off the record this is just off the record he i'm telling you there was at least five flags back to back when we start making a run i just i just knew we was coming back so i didn't really even care about the score because i i thought you know long as this is some time is going to be Patrick Mahomes. You know, when he got the touchdown, I was really impressed by the Cowboys.

I'm not going to lie. For the first times, I was really impressed by the Cowboys. Because they looked like they were playing defense and offense. It seemed like it's been so long since we've seen a Cowboys team that had both offense and defense. So to all of the Cowboy nations out there, you know, welcome home, you know. Welcome home.

Welcome to Winneville. They're not in Titledown yet. We have a... They're not even in first place here. Yeah. They're in the G-League of Winners. You know, we call it Wintersville. We're going to leave them in Wintersville

and see how they do in the next couple of days. And then we'll take it from there. I'm not ready to change my posture on the Cowboys. There's still, you know, the worst team. in football, but we're going to let them make their steps up, you know? And, but I got to put some respect on

Dak Prescott name. This is straight out to Dak. You know, shout out the Dak, you know. He called me. We spoke. He wanted to prove something to you. He got it cross. I got you.

Yeah. Mike has accepted peace. I think he might have triggered Mr. maker a little bit, but he's handling it very well, so we'll go with that. Yeah, yeah, he did well. He started with giving love, but he dug, you know,

he kept going, he gave him a little love, then did a little dog, gave a little love, then did a little dog, gave a little love, he did a little dog. But I think we ended with her up, so it's all good. We got to take that run with it. That's how Harlem niggas give you their prop. Right.

That's the best they can do. That's the good as they're going to give it. That's the best good. You know, nigger, hold them, nigger, and tell you, I ain't shoot you, you ran into them bullish, man. There was some love there. If Mike takes it, we're all good. Okay, on to the next game. So Joe Burrow made his return in the Ravens' loss to the Bengals 32 to 14.

So, Mike, how do you feel about his game back? And then how do you feel about a Ravens' loss? You know, we have this happen every year. And Joe, somebody comes back for the Cincinnati Bengals, and we say, where are they going for to make a run? Next year they say, well, we're going to start faster next year because they're going to make a run and they're going to barely miss it again.

Just like, it blows my mind that it happens over and over again. That's a talented football team. When you get Joe Burrow back and, you know, Jamar Chase has set out week four and all of that, those guys are really ready to play and want to put on a show. It's hard to beat that team. It's hard to beat that team. But they do this every year. They do it every year.

You know, and it's funny because as Cam, this is a Cam team. Yet Cam, Cam is so that it's the Cowboys that rides everybody up and drop. off like a hot tomato. But I'm telling you, this is exactly what the Bengals do. Every year. Every year. And they'll do it again this year.

Now, we'll get some great play games as we go towards the end of the season from Cincinnati. We want to see some great things because now Jamar Chase and Joe Burrell, he's going to let it go because they're coming from behind. They're throwing that thing around, T. Higgins. They're going to light it up. And people like, people, like can you see what he said but wait the next year wait the next year the same thing it's

amazing it's amazing same thing so you know that's what i believe it happened again now the problem is why ain't baltimore got this game back together lamar jackson has been back now for a few weeks and that thing there is just continuing to fall apart i mean they won some games when he was not playing well but you're not going to beat the division rivals i think they got Pittsburgh coming up. You know, Pittsburgh is in a desperate place. So yeah, yeah. So yeah, I like watching it.

I love Joe Burrow and I love Mara Chase. Matter of fact, I was just with Jamar and T. Higgins in Miami. My boys, we had a, you know, that's all I say that. You know what I'm saying? That's all I say is, you know, but, but, but I'm telling you, well, yeah, those are my boys, man. Those are my dudes, man. Shout out to the board.

But hey, but they, they, they, they, they, that's, that's, some great combination. And let me tell you why I love it, because ultimately, I want to follow that pattern. That's what I'm hoping we're doing here in Dallas, you know, going to follow that pattern because it's the game now. The game is such a wide open game. You need two number one receivers and everything. So, yeah, that's what's going to happen with Cincinnati. Yeah, when it comes to Cincinnati, I'm just going to go out and say, I think they're starting to bring that New York energy like we always talk about a New York team like Mike just stated it's always next season I don't know what it is about this team Joe Burrough is so phenomenal

even when he's out there playing he got he got people questioning if Lamar is still any good is he overrated in one game he got the entire almost the entire football league thinking you know Lamar might be overrated. That's how good Joe Burroughs is. I wish he could really stay healthy. I wish this team can see him healthy because I even think the defense would change if he's healthy. I think

they can turn around the defense and turn this into a real formal opponent like it used to be a couple years ago where they're right there in close to the title game and things of that nature. I think it's just the luck

of just health and maybe maybe it's just in the water maybe it's New York people bringing that New York energy to Ohio. I don't know. I'm not ready to blame Cam yet for it. But it might be they're just bringing a New York

energy to Ohio. What New York energy murder? What New York energy you're talking about? Who's from New York? I'm just deflecting the chiefs out of this. He's deflected. That's funny.

Joe Burroughs from Ohio, nigger. Joe Burroughs from Ohio. And I know Ohio State pissed off. They fucked up that package post, sending LSU. Let me get back to Mike first and foremost. Mike, fuck you're talking about.

Mike, let me ask you a question. Where did Joe Burrow come to the, get to the NFL? So did about, what, five years ago? What was that? Yeah, 2000? Yeah, yeah. 2020?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What year did the Cincinnati Bengals go to Super Bowl with the worst offensive line? Where year? Oh, what do you think? Oh, what do you think? I'll save you time, man.

This is why they're thinking so. Because it's realistic. Oh, okay. I see what you, sir. Yeah, because they know it's real, nigger, when they're healthy. They know it's the real thing. nigger, they know that's why you're talking about. I don't know why the Cincinnati Bengals fans

because it's a real thing with us, nigger. When Joe Burroughs is healthy, it's a real thing. You know, it's not a real thing with Dak Prescott. That's Prescott is always in the conversation. He always been talking, oh, Dak this year, Dak, oh, he had the best young. He had the most yard. Oh, he just passed this person.

Oh, he's passing Tony Burma. It's not a real thing, right? Only you cowboy niggins think it's a real thing. Joe Burroughs, and I'm not doing a shot at you, Mason, Joe Burroughs has a better record, even though it's the regular season against Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. It's real, nigga.

That's the thing. It's a real thing. That's why I think you're talking about. That's why Mike me talking about. I don't know why every year, because I ain't going to lie. Joe Burroughs' health is questionable every year. every year's a question but the one year

that he wasn't hurt they went to the Super Bowl nigger it's been only one full season he wasn't hurt and the full season he wasn't hurt he went to the Super Bowl so they're like I don't know why that's at the 3rd and the Mesa's point

yeah when Joe Burrow out there the defense act right they acting right talking about you got Lamar Jackson looking sub paul is he the same nigga Yeah, listen, man. Don't act like it ain't a real thing, nigga. Now, what I will say is this.

My personal opinion is that this is my personal opinion. I don't think Lamar Jackson's fully healthy, me personally. Because it's times he could have ran and he didn't pull off the Lamar Jackson run that we're used to. And everybody will be like, no, he ain't that old. He ain't that old to where he can't be making extra six, seven, eight yards to potentially get them a first. down and keep the series alive. I just think he's not going to talk about it. I think he's a competitor, and I think

he wants to go out there and win. Because, listen, my thing was this, right? I don't know why they're bringing Joe Burr back? I'm like, why are they bringing Joe Burr back? Why are they bringing Joe Burr back? Everybody was saying that, right? Yeah, but you know what? This division sucks, as we've seen last night, how the Pittsburgh seal has got their ass kicked,

and we'll talk about that. I don't know if that's on today's show. I don't know what you're doing. I didn't say your name. I just said the Pittsburgh Steel's got their ass kick last night. We beat the individual, the people who went in first place, the Baltimore Ravens. And last year at this time, it was the same scenario, because Joe Burroughs heard again, but the same scenario, they could have went to the playoffs last year if the Kansas City Chiefs, I forget who it was, but Denver, it was even Denver had to lose, the Kansas

somebody had to lose, and they didn't play all their starters. And then that's the reason that Bengals didn't get the playoffs last year. It came down to the last game. Now, me personally, I ain't going to play with Joe Burrow career like that. He looked good, though. He looked mobile, everything else. But I really believe that the Cincinnati Bengals organization still thinks that they could win this division.

And when you look at the record, they're only two, three games out of first place with about five, six games left to go. That's the only reason I believe this. that they came back. But me personally, I wouldn't have did it. But Joe Burroughs looked decent. He looked really good. I ain't even going to say he looked elite.

He looked real decent, real good game, decent game. And you said it came. You said Cam, the two teams in front of them, they're in a tailspin. They're in a tailspin. And they play each other next week. See what I mean? So they're surely going to catch one of them if they win. So, yeah, that's interesting.

Right. I will say, even just the AMC North in general, it's just fun to watch when people are healthy because I think that sometimes, I'm going to say people forget, but Joe Burrow is like, okay, if I'm healthy enough to play, I'm going to play. We remember like, this is why Joe Burrow is at the status that he is at because he's a dog and he can play. But I do want to go back to something that Mace mentioned before we go to break because people are basically talking about Lamar Jackson now, especially after that loss to the Bengals saying that he's overrated. There is a viral tweet where somebody said, can we all agree that Lamar Jackson is at the very least a little

overrated, Lamar Jackson responded by saying, say less. But Mike, how do you feel about people who are starting to kind of lean that way about Lamar Jackson? I can't have a feeling about that. That kind of ignorance, I can't put brain equity upon. You know what I'm saying? I'm way too intelligent to speak to that kind of ignorance. You see the game? You see what this man is done and you see what he's still doing to say that he's overrated and he's holding two MVPs. It's mind-blowing.

It's mind-blower. And it's not where you're saying, you know, he's sitting there and just throwing the ball. Tom Brady, just delivered that ball. Got it out of his hands. Got it out of his hand. Got somebody else. They did all the running with it.

Now, he has to throw this thing there sometimes tuck it, Do do running in all kinds of ways has given us some of the greatest runs we've ever seen. It's just hard for me to give this gift God has given me to idiots like this and speak on this. That's crazy, Mike. That was crazy. Mike, Mike, I'm going to say it like this, Mike. It's like, um, who is that? Jenna Jackson?

What have you done for me lately is the song that they're singing, Mike? It's not about the two Super Bowls before. Let's just say, Statt, you got a nigga who used to bring your roses. He got you a yacht. He did all these things two years ago. And then this year, for Thanksgiving, he brings you a turkey. They're giving out turkeys in the hood. She can't take a turkey today.

she's she's already past receiving a turkey you know and this is what I'm saying like when it come to football there's people that that have done great in the past but because they've done great in the past we just can't accept that today this is how I'm looking at Kelsey on the on a on a chief yeah you've been great in the past but right now we can't win with Taylor Swift we just we just can't win with Taylor Swift I think the Taylor thing, man. I hate to be going, you know, somewhere else and venting.

Just like that in the Pittsburgh pillars, they used to be good. They were good week three, killer. They were ball in week three. But right now, they're looking overrated, Mike. They're looking overrated. This is what we're saying. In this game alone,

you know, they said all the time catch you. It looked like just something happened here. It's not that he wasn't great before it's just not great right now is that possible we're not hating on lamar we're just saying you know joe burroughs went out there and all of a sudden he look overrated this i think that's a real thing look at ageing and all go ahead i think that's the wrong choice of words to use overrated overrated means you was never good i think you could say i think you can say he

not living up the expectation that's what you could say yeah you think you can know the better choice of words yeah you can say he's not living up to lamar jackson's expectations because like i said he's not living next to the legend i can't see stephen curry and he's making short shots you know what i'm saying yeah so like i said my personal opinion i think he's that much of a dog the way he's not going to admit to he's hurt but you can't say a two-town league MVP is overrated, especially when, you know, let's just be straight up honest. They wanted to give it to them white boys, but they couldn't deny it. Much as I love Josh Allen, he used to rain in that MVP.

You know, they went a couple years. It was a dog fight to the end. And Joe, and upon me, Lamar Jackson got that MVP. So I would not choose the word, me personally used the word, overrated. I would use he's not living up to Lamar Jackson's expectations or what we're used to seeing from him. And my opinion is that he's not 100% healthy, but I would never use the word overrated

when it comes to Lamar Jack. Wait, Mike, Mike, I love, matter of fact, I love the overrated, because it made him say, say less. That's exactly the button they wanted to push. The niggas overrated, man. But listen, but also, we're not talking about him being in the MVP race. He was fighting Josh Allen. just 11 games ago.

And this year, he started off playing very well, like Cam said, got hurt, and he's fighting back and fighting through injury for his team. I think that's some call heroism, even if he ain't playing your best, but you're trying to fight for your team. And now we want to put overrated on. I mean, it's just, it's crazy how quick we usher and want to usher, guy like Lamar Jackson through, you know, he was a runner-up in MVP last year. I mean, Ann Rogers was the runner-up MVP last decade, and we want to already say

Lamar overrated. Come on, man. Mike, for the sake of football, for the sake of football, let them be overrated. if that's going to make them say say less and make them come back and ball out that's what we want right as football fans we don't want to carry the players we want to motivate the players to be what they're supposed to be so if that's what they needed to say to make them return in rare form pause i'm for it that's what i'm basically saying i know the man is not overrated but if that's going to make them go home and say you know what all right tomorrow they're getting

500 yards, pause, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes you're going to retract it. Sometimes niggas's going to retract. Not talking about you or whoever said this. It's the same thing. And it's my boy. Shout to my nigger, Draymond, but when he called Dak Prescott a bum,

the whole industry came and said, now hold the fuck up, man. Now hold on there. We're not saying Zach Prescott no motherfucking champion. But a bum, you can't call him a bum. Last thing I say is this, right? But I swear to God tell me this story yesterday. My man, one of my friends, about 2002, he took his son.

His son probably was at the time, oh, Jay. Probably about 9, 10 years old, big basketball fan. He took his son to go see Michael Jordan play. And he was telling him, you know, he pumping Michael Jordan up. Nigel, this is the best player ever. But this is where Michael Joy was playing with the Wizards. And then Mike finished the game with about 11. points on the son was like,

this is my nigga, this is the nigga he was telling you about? What if he used the word like this thing? You pump that nigga overrated. You got to pick the words better, man. I don't know, dad. That nigga might be overrated the nigga you talk about

when you go see the Wizards Jordan, man. Or you got to remind these players that people are out here singing your high praise. And you can't come in here just with a regular performance. There's niggas selling you on the top level and you coming out here performing on a lower level. So I'm here for it. I'm here for it. I get what you saying, Murdo.

I think that nigga just hurt. I just think he hurt. I think he hurt. But before you move on, let's acknowledge that. Let's acknowledge that. that damn truck that Mace ran over Travis Kelsey with and Taylor Swift,

they just threw it right over under the bus. You heard that jump back. I told you my... We were talking about Lamar Jackson. That joker ran that truck right over Travis Kelsey. We got to get him out of that, too. And Taylor Swift, just a minute ago, y'all were everywhere with Taylor Swift.

Your murder this is. I'm going to say this to murder. The sales is. damn, too. The record sales, they're down, man. You know, too much damn raw thing. You know,

too much damn raw stings. Oh, wow, man. Oh, wow. Too much serious and too much, and too much ginger. You got to keep the main thing, the main thing, man.

But it's that, ways, that. You got to keep the main thing to make. This is when they try to keep, you know, that'll keep things alive, you know what I'm saying? You got to remember why they love you. You got to remember how they met you. You can't let somebody make you throw away your career for their career because that'll come back to haunt you.

Maybe not in white love, but in black love, it'll come back to haunt you. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. I love in black love. I do want to add, after Cam brought up Draymond calling DAC a bum, because that was on November 5th after y'all lost the Cardinals, the Cowboys have been three and three since that was said. So do that what you want, but that is pretty interesting. So in the comments down below, let us know how y'all feel about Lamar.

Let us know how they all feel about the Cowboys. We're going to go to break. We return. We will discuss the Bears versus the Eagles. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. Tonight, the Giants will play the Patriots.

Underdog has Drake May at 244. and a half passing yards. You have higher, lower Mace? Yeah, I definitely got, I definitely got Drake May's higher. He's been bawling. Yeah, I'm going to go higher because the simple fact to me is this. I had Matthew Stafford a little bit ahead of Drake May for this MVP conversation. And Matthew Stafford didn't play his best game yesterday.

This is the opportunity for Drake May tonight to pull ahead of Matthew Stafford in the MVP voting conversation, my particular opinion. So I'm going to go higher for Drake May. Okay. Stefan Diggs is at 48 and a half receiving yards. You have higher or lower as cam? Damn, I ain't put no respect on stuff on Diggs name.

They don't even got him in 50 yards no more. God damn, man. Yeah, I'm going higher, man. That's a little disrespectful for Stefan Diggs, man. I know they got a great office that they're running, but he ain't even in a 50 yard per day. game conversation. I think it's a little disrespectful underdog.

I'm going to go higher. Yeah, you definitely got to go higher. With all of the things that are going on off the field, he's still better than 40-something yards. Okay. And Jackson, Dargers at 204 and a half passing yards. You have higher, lower mace. Hmm, this is interesting because it could go either way.

He could have 250, he could have 260, or he could have 174. You know, but with this type of defense, 204, I'm going to go higher. I'm going to trust Mike on this. I was just about to say, I got to listen to Mike all you want. I ain't listening to Mike about nothing. Mike come up here and try and disrespect my football IQ every week, man. You talk about Cowboys was at the bottom of the barrel.

Every week, man. I told you, that coach probably already told me don't pay you no mind. I'd be up here killing, man. I spoke to coach a few weeks ago about me and you, man. I'm going lower.

The party's over, Jackson Dart. Scatterboo is gone. The coach is gone. The party's over, nigga. I don't give a fuck you going low. The party is over, nigga. This is the end of the drain when the tinnics singing

and everybody just playing the song. because they know they got going them little rafts under the party's over nigger lower but they're going to work but Cam

that's what they're going to work on now because the party's over the experience is throwing the football we might as well get more experience throwing the football because we're not going anywhere I don't care

I don't take experience doing this so the coach job now is to get experience for the quarterback. That's why I'm saying they'll spread it around.

No, listen, I agree with you. And listen, they got an intern coach. So the intern coach will try to him keep his job. Right, make them look good. Right, throw his thing everywhere. Make them look good, make them think, you know, next year

with some more time, you see how we was looking. Yeah, but I think that the Patriots like, fuck them nickers. They're not going to be getting it off on us. Let them try that shit the week after next. Because at the end of the day, we got to steer top of the AFC

because we want to buy and we want to have and we want to have him you're right yeah no I ain't doing that right too can't. No let me tell you where you write to on this part though Coach, Coach Rable is a, he's like Tom

he's like Bill Belichick, he's a master at these kids in those coverages and he hurts, he gets young guys with it, you know, he'll zone one side, man the other. So you're playing defensive rules and it'll end up being in an interception. So that's going to be interesting to watch how he does against Coach Rable.

Make sure you out download the underdog app and you can make your picks too. So let's move on to the Bears. So they beat the Eagles 24 to 15, bringing their record to 9 and 3. The Bears, Rams, and Seahawks are all 9 and 3. Mike, do you view them as the best team? Like I said, it's Ty. Do you view them as the best team in the NFC after? this win.

Boy, it's hard to say that I view the Bears. It's the best team in the NFC. I see some great qualities, man. You can run the ball, and they have Cam, I mean, Caleb Williams, playing on schedule phenomenally. Now, we always knew

we had that special thing, but when you get them playing on schedule, and this team running the football like they're running a football. This was a different team that the Eagles saw. And I could tell the Eagles thought that they wanted to flip a switch and take over. But they never came. You know what I mean? It never came.

And then I say the Bears are for real, but it's hard for me to say the best team in the NFC. You know, because I'm imagine the battle down the road, can I get this? of Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson is a great coach. Can we consistently get good offense or as the pressure builds? Will I take him over the Sam, over the guys like we saw with the Rams today?

Will I take them? I just don't see it. Right now it's hard for me to see that. It's hard for me to see it. I think the NFC is wide open, to be honest with you. But the Bears are one of the top teams up there. I'm going to go and say the bears are the best team in the NFC. I mean, Mike, put some of respect on the young boy name.

Just last year, he was running to the top of the stands, you know, laying up with his dog, right? And this year, he's nine and three. And if you could make that kind of improvement to the point that you're up there with the Rams, you're up there with the Seahawks, you're past the Eagles, you're past Tampa Bay. I mean, you got to put some respect on the young boy name. He's out of USC. I know Cam doesn't like him, but he's at the top. Sometimes you don't like the people at the top.

He's at the top. Who would be above him? Would be a better question. How would you put somebody else above him if this is his turnaround year, Mike? And he's nine and three. Nine and three is not something to sneeze at. Like you guys use that terminology, this definitely wouldn't be something to sneeze at. after last year being at the bottom of the barrel.

I'm trying to use all y'all terminology so you know I'm speaking your language because somehow it's not cutting through. This guy's playing phenomenal football. He's not turning over the football. You can call him a game manager, but he's managing to get wins, and he's managing to get wins time after time against reputable opponents. This time they're beating the Eagles. Who else you want him to be in order to be the best?

That would be another question. Who does he have to beat in order to be the best? He's beating last year champs. That's what you said, Mike. We're no longer the champ. So they will be the champs. He beat the champs, just like the Chicago. I mean, the Cowboys beat the champs.

So are we just looking at them like anybody can beat them now at 8 and 4? No. They just happen to beat them on a way that you should beat them, playing tough defense. and putting up points and he did all and he did that so put some respect on the guy's name this is only his what second third year he's doing really well I think Chicago Bears is the best team in the NFC not NFL but NFC who's the best team in the NFL it's still it's still up for debate but I think this this part is pretty clear

division mace who's the best team in a i know i know but i don't like to be rushed into my answers you know in title town we take our time the chiefs are in aFC if you want to put them in it it ain't it ain't too late murder don't don't bill out and niggas get hot no let me that's what i'm trying to say is ability and availability is two different things sometimes you're the better ability team but everybody's not available mentally that's my only issue with kansas city is the availability of their brain and where they shift the where they choose to put their um focus at the focus right now is not on winning football it's on all the other branding stuff and that's what's causing us the losses you are mike is good they're not mentally available

You don't think it was the injury First it was the injuries you said they wasn't available Now that mentally not Okay That's not possible for a nigga to be mentally available Like, we know people like this. They're great. They're great with the skill.

It's like Paul George. It's not that he's not available. It's not that he's not available. He's just not, he don't be there. I agree. He's not mentally or physically available. You can go mentally with it. I agree mentally, but he physically ain't available.

Yeah. If you keep not being mentally available, you end up being physically available. That's what you're speaking to. And this is why he makes the big bucks. Spentast. What's the exact question about the game? Yeah, basically, do you view the Bears as the best team in the NFC

after this one since they be the Eagles? You're going by the racket, by the, yeah, but you're going by the record. the eye test, I don't know. You know, the thing about it is, look, you got to think about this, man. Since Caleb been in the NFL, it's been progression, new coaches, do offenses. He got to run. And for a new quarterback, you know, that's a lot to deal with your first couple years

and the first couple, two, three years in the league. So where he's at today is really where he should be, my personal opinion. Because we don't like, think about this, we don't like to give a niggie. two minutes. We don't like to give niggas three seconds when it comes to anything. We want results now. And usually we don't get results right away. It's a problem. Me and Mike, we were talking, we all talked about it, but remember Mike said that the nigger, what's the nigga who left y'all niggas? Did play for the Jets? I can't. No, no, no, no, not. Play for the Jets right now. Justin Fields. And Mike said in translation, when he said, when the owner said

that, listen, it's just something not connected. I don't know if he's going to work out. Mike said, that translates me, and I ain't cutting this nigga another check. He only been there. He was only there seven weeks. Niggas do not give you two minutes to get shit together. So to me, this is where Caleb Williams should be at right now

as a starting quarterback three years in, dealing with new coaches, new offenses, and the bears seem like they're trying to get the organization together. You got to realize this, it isn't just, all on Caleb Williams, as the organization, the beers haven't been good. Justin Fields started off with the bears, actually. You know what I'm saying? And they didn't give him that much time.

You know, this is what have you done for me lately, Lee, like May said? But if you give some players some time to sprout and grow, pause, then you can see what they can do in the future. So right now, they look good. But to me, it's a lot of smoking mirrors with these New York quarterbacks. And I don't mean that they're not going to show improve. But we got to see what they do in the playoffs. We're talking when it comes to people like quarterbacks like Daniel Jones,

Caleb Williams, you know, they're looking great in the regular season. And then we've seen what happened to somebody like Sam Donald towards the end of the season and the playoffs last year. So they're looking great in the play and the regular season. I want to see where it goes towards the end of the season and the playoffs. Real quick, Mike, before we go to the last topic, I don't know many more topics we got to love. But I want to say you one thing, Mike, man. I got to give a big apology to Coach Fran Brown, man.

When he ran down on you, I spoke to Syracuse coach, man. What's that? Oh, you spoke to him? I spoke to Fran Brown over day, man. I appreciate it. I'm glad you did. Listen, man. Yeah, yeah.

But listen, man, the reason I apologize, you know, Big is always, big as always with me. Jam, I grew up to your music, man. How are you going to do that to me, man? You know what I'm saying? I'm a fan. I was dipsed in high school. Listen, I appreciate him being a fan,

but I understand why he told me, told you, pardon me what he told you, because I found out who he recruited. I ain't going to say it yet, because things can change. But the recruiting class he got coming in there, they're actually from Florida too some Florida boys going up there

to Syracuse and the reason he said he said it's not going to happen that long because he gets some dogs from down south Florida boy that's coming up there man so he was saying it wasn't personal but he knew what he had coming up there next season so shout to Coach Fran Brown too shout to Nevy

big shout to Nevy man I told you that was I told you that that's the negotiation I told you it was a recruiting floor you know why not come up to the baddest nigga in the world and said one day you're going to be a bad nigger in the world. You know what I'm saying?

I said, hell of them are moving to us. You see what I'm saying? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What you're talking about, too. Certainly the baddest niggins from Florida and you got the bad niggas from Florida. Come on, man. Let's stop playing. You know, I do.

I told you that that was. I can dig that. You know, what you say. Come up to the baddest thing in the words Say one day you're going to be the bad Yeah, I don't even got nothing to say, I don't even got nothing to say about that I can't even have nothing to say I like that

I like that. Real quick, I do want to add, because before we go to our last one, I know, like, the trending topic has been kind of like, what have you done for me lately? But I also think that the media plays, like, a really large role in that to the point where it kind of, like, kind of sucks. Because, like, there's some people who are playing way worse than some of these other quarterbacks did their first year. But, like, I feel like it's still been radio silent.

And, like, this is not to app this person because shout out to Miami for sure. But I also feel like even with Cam Warden, I know it's his situation as well. He also is just in a little bit of a better situation just because I don't feel like the media is attacking him as bad as they have attacked other quarterbacks who started their first year. So I will say, even though it's different and situational based on the team, what people have to say about what somebody's doing also does affect it. So I think it's also kind of best to just be a little bit more under the radar. able to do that just so you can kind of play and make your mistakes in peace rather than everybody calling you out for things that you've done, not even just on the field, off the field, or even your demeanor and how you act and personality. I just do think that that is also

an important part of like development for quarterbacks because it does not help when you got the whole media on your back saying other things as well. I will say. Hey, a stat. I'm glad you brought that up because I know it's not a topic, but I'm wanted to talk about this. And I talk to myself, just what you're talking about. Did you see this? Do you see Jerry Judy, obviously going up to Shador, talking about a play on the sideline? And, and I'm watching this joke, you know, I'm like, this is what I'm talking about right here. This is, I'm so sick of seeing this.

I mean, what these, what, why is, the idea, you're out of hand, man. Do you understand? It's like you can't be yelling at quarterbacks like they're your bitch. You know, you should be making them your buddy. You can't make your money without them. It blows my mind. There's a difference. We watched last year and I told you a couple years ago when when McDaniel,

when your boy, Jane Daniels came in. And you see how Terry McClure was with him through his development stage that first year? He would, McLaurin wasn't getting the ball. And they were talking about how he's not going after. He don't say anything to the kid. He's saying, just play your game, develop the way you got to develop. I don't want you worried about forcing something to me and mistakenly mess up your development.

And then we see this kid take off. What, what, what, what, I saw that on the sideline. And I said, what pain the brain can rationalize in his damn mind? that this is a smart thing to do. I have a young quarterback starting just this second game only had a week and a half of practice in this NFL in the toughest thing in the world, toughest place in the world,

in a hellfold like Cleveland. And you go after him on the side. You know all everything that goes on around him. And you go after him on the sideline, man. I thought that was absolutely out of hand, man. Just out of hand. And a lot of people say some things. Think about, well, I never saw you go at Dillon Gabriel.

I didn't see you do this to any other those quarterbacks. And I'm going to tell you something. There is something to that to a black guy, the African American quarterback in his plight and how difficult it is more so than it is for the white quarterback. You see, the black quarterback, the white quarterback's never going to really hang out with the black guys. But the black quarterback will, you know, because they're boys and they go places sometimes, but it doesn't mean he's your whole and you can talk to him any kind of way.

You see what I'm saying? And you never do it. You never do it. You never see him do it like that. I really never see him do it too much to any white quarterback. But I see that and it's running crazy and it seems like it's always after the black quarterback. It blows my mind.

I wouldn't do it, period. I don't care what color quarterback year, black, white, purple, green, yellow, orange because he needs to throw me the ball so I can get my damn green. That's the only color I'm focused on green, but I'm telling you, I can't take what I'm seeing, man. Come on, man. What brain says that's a good thing for you to do right there. It just blows my mind sometimes when I see, what I see. So, yeah, Mike, it speaks to, it speaks to that this organization,

organization has deemed that as allowable behavior. You know, when you know you could get away with something in a culture, more people start doing it because there's a such thing as no protection for that individual. So

everybody, everybody begin to swarm on to that one person. But that's just what my take would be. It was so many things I wanted to share about that. I even wanted to share about earlier about how stats set up all of these um these topics right i don't think you guys spoke about the stillers yet right

you didn't speak about you did not yet oh yeah okay go ahead cam i don't want to launch that but it's amazing how she puts her woals to the back and bring out everybody else woes to the front listen i have to agree with with mike man um last week when the raiders played cleveland i went to the game. And Shadour threw about a 35, 40-yard pass to Judy, and Judy tried to do some shake shit and fumbled the fucking ball. Could have been a potential touchdown and make Shadour look better. Did Shadour go over there and be like, why are you trying to do hop off the left foot and go to the right foot and do it on this other shit? Stop. You already making a situation that's not that good for him, making it try to look worse. I didn't like that

at all. And I thought it was very unnecessary. And now, for me, I don't even fuck with him because you don't do that publicly. You know what I'm saying? You don't go through all that, knowing this is his second start, knowing they threw him into the line of fire two, three weeks ago, knowing all the bullshit he went through as another black man to another black man, you sit and say, yo, man, you know, could have called me. The way you went about it was totally rap. I've seen something this week that just passed a podcast, and I don't know what podcast it was, but Darren Woodson was talking about how Troy Aikman was and how Troy Aitman in practice would make everybody start over if they didn't do so right. Let's

just say it was 29 things to do, and y'all was on number 17. He said everybody had to start all the way over if shit wasn't done right. And they said Mike was the first person to say, well, we're starting to fuck over. We're going to get it right. We're going to get everything done. And they would say, and he, Darren Wilson said, Mike never argue with Troy Akeman. He said,

Troy Aikman, if somebody fuck with Troy Akeman, Mike Irving going to be there to fuck them up before you do anything to Troy Ackman. You do anything with your ass. Right. And the reason I'm bringing that up is not saying that you would, you don't have a great relationship with Troy Aikman off the field,

but you need that relationship or in the field. You can't throw the ball to yourself. So when you're a receiver, the last thing you want to do is piss off your quarterback. I would not do that. And it was, you know,

with this situation just happening, and I actually seen that video four or five days ago. I'm like, people just don't get it. You can't pass the ball to yourself. I've seen that as great as a player he was, he could have been the number one receiver ever. When you think about somebody like Terrell Owens,

a constant locker room headache splitting the locker room up you fuck with him I don't fuck with him yo when he's in Philly forget my brother's name over there, he was called him yeah Donald McNeff you split the locker room up

you go to the fucking cowboys you're talking about Roma always throwing the Witton he ain't always throwing him maybe it's a white boy thing. Yo my nigger you don't you anything about it you don't even play you don't come from teams came from the nun so you come in other places fucking the locker room up and i just think that that's a that's detrimental for your career as a receiver fucking with the quarterback just

just don't make sense um i cannot disagree i was just going to give a little bit of context just for those who may not know so basically during the game chador and jerry judy i'm not going to say got into it but jerry judy was basically kind of going off on chador on the sideline and it had to do with passing. And of course, Shador handled it very well in the press conference when asked about it. It was kind of just like, you know, we're going to work on team chemistry and things of those natures. But another thing is that Jerry Judy leads the NFL in drop passes at nine. So rather than, I would say, like, holding accountability on himself, he tried to place it on somebody that you know is going through a lot with the media.

And that goes back to Mace. and Cam and Mike's point about there are just certain situations where you don't do that type of thing so comments down below you guys are a little bit more up to speed you haven't seen the video y'all can see it but of course

that's just not how you handle things there's a lot better way to handle things for sure and back to Mesa's point the plan was to get to the Steelers and y'all can say it looks like it was premeditated whatever but the other games to me made more sense

for the lineup that's all and we just didn't happen to get to it this episode but we go get to it because like i say even when we have losses we still have to come to the stand and state our case that's that that is all well let arabia tear you a ass up tomorrow because that's what's going to happen rabia can't wait that's fine somebody going to give me one day somebody going to give me Next week, we all go through it. Thanks for tuning in. Mike, it's been a pleasure to have you on the show.

We'll see you Thursday. And as everybody knows, it is what it is. Hey! Hey! You know, I'm sorry. You know,