IT IS WHAT IT IS - MICHIGAN VS. WASHINGTON FOR A CHANCE TO JOIN TITLE TOWN & BE MA$E'S NEW FAVORITE TEAM!

Episode Date: January 5, 2024

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And we are joined with our analyst, Maurice Claret. Moe Mace, Stat, what's up, man? What's the deal? Killer, what's good? What's good? Welcome back, Moe, man. What's happening? Missed you, man. You see the vibes?

You see my team? You see how we rolling? Can't make money anymore. That's all I want to know. Anyway, yo, Mo, man. I did a freestyle yesterday. A lot of Ohio shit was going on. The whole Ohio was reaching out on the gram. You know, I hope you seen it. I hope you freestyle yesterday. A lot of Ohio shit was going on. The whole Ohio was reaching out on the gram.

You know, I hope you seen it. I hope you appreciate it. I showed the town a lot of love. Murder, they said the clock is on. What you going to do, man? The clock on what? I did a freestyle yesterday. Everybody said, that's great, Cam.

But when is murder going to do? They waiting on you, man. I don't know what you, listen, man. I'm going live tomorrow. Let's go live tomorrow on the show. Let's go live tomorrow on the show, fella. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, nigga.

Yeah, you know Mo. All right, tell them tomorrow live on the show. You see the Michigan hat, nigga, you know the vibe. Well, listen, Mo, there's a lot of Ohio shit

going on in my freestyle. Niggas was showing mad love and salute to the town, Columbus, Cleveland, Dayton. Everybody I don't really get to mention,

I appreciate y'all showing love. They love my freestyle. They love to thank Steve Style, everybody who caught, but they want to hear from Murder.

They said, Murder, they said, it's been a while. Oh, yeah, now that I'm looking at myself, I'm going to put the website at the bottom of the screen. But, you know, make sure y'all go get the Is What It Is apparel. Mace has his apparel, Lord. Stat got her own flavors with the Is What It Is jackets as well. You know what I'm saying? Make sure y'all go to the website.

I'm going to put it at the bottom of the screen because I don't want to tell y'all the wrong thing. Yeah, go ahead. Get a solo statue. She's trying to show you her shit. Your shit is here too, bro. Yeah, man. And Mo, thank you a lot with the merch too because you have a lot of great

ideas that I want to put on our website. Collectively, me and Mase have a meeting and let's get shit going. Let's get some more money this year, man. We could get to it. Yeah, man, we could get to it because I have no idea why Mase has,

I don't know where he got a Michigan hat from in Australia. I have no idea where that came from. But okay, okay. That lets you know I knew something before I came out here. That's what I'm trying to tell you. That's exactly what I'm trying to tell you, Cam.

I knew something. They told me this. They said the Nick Saban thing is up for him. Yo, Murda, like I said, I would hate to go to the videotape, like, because I've been on go to my videotape shit. You came in here with Maroon on talking about it was Alabama colors. After you abandoned Georgia, after you was running with them all year,

now you from Michigan. Wildest shit in the world, man. It get cold. You see what I'm telling you, Kim? You see how I'm wearing the jacket? It get cold, you know? All right, my brother. I like the jacket.

The jacket says, can a young man get money anymore? A lot of people don't know. Well, I'm not going to say a lot of people. The younger generation, people don't know that's one of Mace's slogans. I really like that jacket. It makes a lot of sense. And what doesn't make sense is the hat. I think the hat stands for Maceace and you're using it as Michigan.

If I had to take a guess my personal opinion is the M stands for Mason now. It's just convenient that Michigan is in the championship. So you're taking the Mace and using it for Michigan. Maurice, do I hate

on him? That's all I'm asking. Maurice, do I hate on him? Yes, yes I'm asking, Maurice. Do I hate on him? Yes, yes, you do. Hey, look, I'm staying out of this war. Yeah, you hate on me, nigga. All the time. All the time. Let Michigan be great.

Let Michigan be great, kill him. Let's start stabbing this nigga. Okay, well. Then to the next call. Mace, you said you knew something, and you were right. The College Football National Championship is set for Monday. He said you knew something and you were right the college football national championship is set for Monday

he said he knew this is what we started with no he didn't know shit that nigga knew Georgia that he knew Alabama I just never been speak your mind speak your mind

don't let him tell you what you can say speak your mind don't let him tell you are you right I can't I definitely can't tell you what to say. Yo, yo. Keep your mind. You're right. Don't let him tell you what to say. You're right. I definitely can't tell her what to say, but that's Kat, man. Come on, Kim.

Let her moderate, Kim. Yo, fam, I would like to throw a red flag on when she moderates. Yo, that is crazy. I want to challenge. I want to challenge that, man. Let's go. Okay. All of a sudden, she agrees with you this week.

Then Mace, when did he know? Come on. What is happening in 2024? I don't know either, but let's get to it. College Football National Championship is set for Monday and Washington will play Michigan. The question is simple. Who do you think will win?

My wish first. Well, I'm biased, but I told y'all when Ohio State lost, I was going for Jim Harbaugh. It's our rivalry, Ohio State versus Michigan, but I'm going with Jim Harbaugh

only because they're the Big Ten, but then also I want him to have a bigger voice with talking about athletes getting paid. So he did say that this week. He's already made mention of it that we should share in the revenue, and I want that conversation to keep on going, but I'm going to go with Michigan

beating Washington. What the fuck are you keep smiling, shaking your head for a pause? Yo, bro, what's up with you, bro? What the fuck are you keep smiling shaking your head for a force Yo bro What's up with you bro Yo you a wild nigga man Shout out to McCarty and all of them Who

Right Say that again Who are you talking about Shout out to McCarty Oh no Shout out to McCartney. Oh, no. Shout out to I'm with JJ, you know? Shout out to I'm with JJ, you know?

Who we talking about, Stat? I have no idea. He said, I don't know. Because I'm on the other side. I'm going to Pennix. He talked about JJ McCarthy. That's who I'm talking about. Nigga said Paul McCarty. Yeah.

He said, shout out McCarty. Who's McCarty? I said McCarthy, you know? All right, man. This is crazy. I'm not even feeding into this whole color pattern, this whole yellow and blue. Listen, man.

I'm going to say this. It's two things. I'm a really big Jim Harbaugh fan. You know, even with, you know, going back to his days in the NFL, he took a really big risk when

Alex, when he's coaching the 49ers, when Alex Smith got hurt, he put Kaepernick in, Alex Smith got hurt, he put Kaepernick in. Alex Smith came back. He kept Kaepernick. Kind of catapulted Kaepernick's career in the NFL because Kaepernick was a backup. And I know Alex Smith got hurt.

But he gave him that chance. And I'm really, I like him and his brother. You know, both of them guys. I really think that they're player coaches. So I'm a big hardball fan, Jim Hardball fan. When he got to Michigan, they haven't won

a national championship since he's been there. You know, Michigan fans are impatient. It was time since he'd been there saying, do they need to get rid of him?

Does he need to come back? Does he need to go to the NFL? Back to what Mo was saying at the beginning of the segment, that he's advocated for players, you know, the NCAA or the powers that be may not necessarily

like that. So I'm a big Jim Harbaugh fan. And I was torn between me being a Jim Harbaugh fan and a Michael Penix being a black quarterback winning a national championship. So I'm like, who do I really want to win? Not about who I think is going to win, because I think Penix is fucking amazing. But who do I want to win?

And I couldn't make a decision. And then what made me made my decision to go with Michigan instead of Washington is when I found out, and there's something I want to ask Mo before we move on after this, after I say what I have to say, is that what made me made my decision with, with Michigan was when I found out Pennix been there, been in college for six years. And I'm like, God damn, how many? You couldn't get six years? What the fuck? That's six years?

They said, you know, I didn't even notice until he won the game the other day. And it's like, when you came back for your six years to win this, I said, hold on, let me do some homework. The nigga been there six joints. I know he wasn't been in Washington six joints, but when you get a to win this. I said, hold on, let me do some homework. The nigga been there six joints. I know he wasn't been in Washington six joints, but when you get a red shirt year when I played

and now they adding COVID into it but they still played when it was COVID. Nigga is 23. He is the same age as niggas that's in the NFL right now. I was like, and not just him, Bo Nicks, I started doing

homework on a bunch of niggas. I'm like, yo, actually, I think I have it here. I don't want to slow us down on this segment, but at the end of the day, my headphones are going in and out. I don't know if that's you, if everybody can still hear me, Nick, but I'll

just let you know. But I think I screenshotted, if I'm not mistaken, and if I can't find it immediately, we'll get back to it. But it's just like, it is four or five great quarterbacks that we look at in college, and they're the same age as four or five decent quarterbacks in the NFL. I don't think it's fair. I think that they ring it.

I remember me being a senior in high school saying, damn, if I had one more year of high school, I would fucking kill these niggas, man. I would go crazy. So I don't like the fact that niggas is ringing. I'm going to call it ringing. So they're really good. Niggas is ringing, murder, right?

I ain't bugging, right? I can read the stats real quick for the ages. Right, there you go. Yeah, when the 2024 NFL season starts. It's time for some niggas is ringing murder, right? I ain't bugging, right? I can read the stats real quick for the ages. Right, there you go. Yeah, when the 2024 NFL season starts. I'm still thinking it's been ringing. Yeah, because that's the same thing you're about to read. I probably have to switch up. Yeah, when the 2024 NFL season starts,

Bo Nix will be 24, Michael Penix will be 24, Jaden Daniels will be 23, Caleb Williams 22, and Drake May 22. And then quarterbacks in the NFL, Anthony Richardson will be 22, C.J. Stroud will be 22 CJ Stroud will be 22 Bryce Young will be 23 Trevor Lawrence will be 24 and Justin Fields

will be 25 yeah niggas is older than CJ Stroud in college you know what I'm saying so I was wanting to pick Penix but you ringing bro you out here killing little niggas you know what I'm saying like You out here killing little niggas. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you out here killing niggas. That nigga is younger than you striving, especially CJ Stroud in the NFL. No wonder you look so spectacular. You've been there six years. And listen, I'm still rooting for you, bro. You know, it is what it is. If you can find a loophole in the rules

or whatever the case may be, I'm rooting for you. But I just think I'm going with Michigan because I, you know, if I was 20 years old in high school, woo! Little niggas wouldn't have a chance, boy. So that's

my feelings about the situation. I actually do have a little comment. So, or Macy, go first. I'll let you go first yeah yeah I definitely understand that because my birthday used to always come later in the year so I always felt like I was playing up to play with kids instead of people that were really my age at the time I was that age so I definitely understand that. So it's like, for people like that, it's not just one year,

Cam. He get, for people like me, he got two extra years. Right. And you know what's crazy? If he's 24, yeah. No, I was going to say what's crazy. If he's 24 years old, niggas should be graduating at 22. So he really got two extra years.

Right. And listen, Murda, it's one thing to get a red shirt, but they don't need to start COVID in it. I don't know what it is. The lady said, when you came back for your sixth year, that is over a half a decade that you've been in college.

And back to your point, Mace, it's funny because, you know, this may be a little too deep pause for our listeners or people outside of New York or even if they change the rules. I remember the cutoff date for age groups was September 1st and your birthday is like August 27th.

So you just missed it by like four days of playing with the younger kids. You got like a three and a half, you got 72 hours of not making it. So I understand where you're coming from. But Mo, every time I played,

I had to play with people cause that was like two years older than me and all of that. So I'm just like, wow. So if you, if you, you're playing in that kind of climate, are you supposed to be better than them? But I, I liked the way you did just like, wow. So if you're playing in that kind of climate, you're supposed to be better than them.

But I like the way you did come home, Kim. You came with Michigan. I like that for you. I really do. Stat, you said you had something to say. Gene Smith is going again. Stat, do you test? I had to let him finish.

He's never going to finish. I actually slightly disagree because I, okay, so I graduated college at 21, which was a lot earlier than most people who graduate. It is a journey. He is only 23. He graduated high school

in 2018. I graduated high school in 2019. So I feel like there shouldn't be a limit on numbers. So his past, when he't be a limit on numbers. Like, so his past when he was with Indiana, he had four major injuries. So if he couldn't play to his full potential and then there was a COVID year, I don't think that he should be at fault for that because this is kind of his redemption year to show like, look, you know, I don't have any injuries right now. You know, I still can play. I don't think that we should take that from him just because of things that have happened to him prior

that he can't control. And it's just good to see like a black quarterback doing, you know, well, like I don't want to say because he's a little bit older that he's at a disadvantage. I mean, because if he does perform well, when it gets to that next stage to get to the league, he performs well.

And that's all I would want to see. So I'm not going to fall him for his age. I get your point. Wait. Wait. Yes. Wait, let me say something. I can't wait to hear what you have to say.

Yo, Killer. So if a nigga is seven years old in kindergarten, is that cool? Well, no, but the age, if you really think about it, like the age is not that, not that crazy. I could see if he was like going on his like eighth, ninth year. Like, I mean, injuries, you can't really, you can't really help that. But if you're not available, you're not available. You can't get hurt and be like, yo, I'm 31.

I've been getting hurt for seven years. Not to that extent. And yes, I understand him're not available. You can't get hurt and be like, yo, I'm 31. I've been getting hurt for seven years. Not to that extent. And yes, I understand him not being available, but this year he proved that, hey, like, I'm good enough to play. And I feel like that's what he's doing. What I'm saying is this, and I'm not disagreeing with your point.

It's your point. Hold on, Murda. Let me say one thing before you go. My thing is this. Mentally, mentally, and I don't know football. I'm talking about basketball. I'm just giving you, I didn't become an elite collegiate student i'm athlete pardon me but i always thought about if i had one extra year high school that these little niggas don't have a chance bro i will kill

any ninth tenth eleventh twelfth grader if I get it. Because I used to get mad at... Shout out to my niggas that I'm not talking about. My nigga Ali Mo, God bless the day. Kareem Reed. All the niggas who was older than me. All the niggas who got an extra year.

Yeah. All the niggas that was my age but older than me by a year but was in the same grade as me. We don't know how Felipe Lopez really was when he came to America. You know what I'm saying? So I always really thought that

damn, if I get one extra year, whoever heard it or not, it's mental for me to be like, y'all little niggas ain't going to stand a chance, bro, because I will kill if I have one extra year. So I understand what you're saying. Yeah, Mo. No, but you at

24, you coming into manhood. Mo. Say what? Hold on, Mo. Mace want to say one thing. And I want you to wrap it up, Mo, because you have a better understanding on this than any of us. Yeah. Yeah, Mace.

You do, Mo. And when I was playing in college, right, the assistant coach was, I think he was about 31 and the nigga was diesel pause, but he could shoot. Right? So the moment he, he, he activated his extra year, he could have played college. I quit. I quit because the coach was trying to make me play half of my time and let this nigga play, and he was 31 years old. He was nice, but he was 31, killer. I don't think I ever told you. Yeah, I never heard of him. That's how I'm out of here, man.

Yeah. Yeah. Anybody could go back and look at this. Like, yo, we used to call him Robocop. He ended up being my guy. What school was this, Mace? Soon he purchased. Okay, got you.

Right. Soon he purchased. The niggas started shooting. It was lights out. So the coach was like, yo, Mace, you going to play part of the time? And he going to play part of the time. I'm like, who? I'm better than everybody in the gym.

This nigga come out with his sneakers on. This nigga was the coach. He was 31. He was 31. I'm out of here. That's great. That shit is wild.

And listen, I'm a big fan of Michael Penning. I think he's nice. I look at him, and I think his game will translate in the NFL. And yeah, I'm always rooting for somebody black. But what's fair is goddamn fair. Mo, I would like, you have way more knowledge of this more than anybody.

All I used to think was when I played, that you get one red shirt a year, whether you're hurt or not. Now it's a red shirt, a collegiate, academic injury red shirt, a COVID red shirt, a blood red shirt. Like, it's all type of fucking red shirts, man. Like, yo, what is it? So how does this go, Moe, and how do you feel about it?

Well, it's two things. I definitely understand what you're talking about, but it's two things I wanted to say. 24, you coming into like young manhood, you know what I'm saying? If you just want to talk about from a psychological standpoint, like your prefrontal cortex load, your reason and judgment comes in at 25. It's fully developed, right? In comparison to somebody who's 19, 18, 20, still living in dormitories, still having a collegiate life. So just your approach, your preparation,

and just who you are as a man is going to be completely different, right? I do understand what Stat's talking about. We're saying, hey, man, you know, COVID is out of his control. I get that piece of it, but we can't take away from the fact that a 24-year-old man is a lot different than somebody who's 19 to 20. I will say that. And you're just going to play, approach, prepare, or have more composure than just kids who are a little bit younger than you. So there's going to be an advantage just from experience. You know what I'm saying?

That's just life. But I don't even know if I have an opinion in regards to if I think he should play or not. I don't know. I don't even know if I have an opinion in regards to if I think he should play or not. I don't know. You know, I guess it depends on if something happened to me, I may feel different. But you just are different at 24 in comparison to, you know, just younger kids. And when you get into college, you're, you know, 18, 19 years old, most of them 18 years old. It is a huge difference between an 18-year-old and a 24-year-old. Yeah.

Mentally as well. I'll give you an example. Go ahead. I'll give you an example. So my daughter skipped two grades when she was younger, right? And I thought it was, like, cute to go ahead and let her accelerate academically and motor through school, right? But the biggest difference was when she came into high school,

she was like 13 years old, right? And there was a difference between 13-year-olds and 18-year-olds. You know what I'm saying? Just physically from a maturity standpoint. And so I felt like I messed up her basketball career, her sporting career just because she was underdeveloped. And if you're developing at the same rate that your peers are developing, there will always be a gap unless you condense it with the volume of work,

right? And that just comes from working to get free time or whatever, but you always have that gap to a point where you reach like your peak athletic ability, then you start to diminish. And so like when you start talking about this, the first thing I thought of was my daughter And so, like, when you start talking about this, the first thing I thought of was my daughter and where I felt like some of her athletic development may be stalled. And she lost her confidence just because she was playing with younger girls who was four or five years older, even though they had to play in the same arena. That's a great example. That's a really great example. Well, last thing real quick I'll add. That's what really great about him.

Well, last thing real quick I'll add. I think the climate of, especially the school I went to, a lot of the players were way older than the rest of us entering, like 25 plus. So it's like I've seen it a lot. I don't think it's attractive when it comes to drafting players. You obviously want the younger player. But just in this situation, because he is 23, and people kind of graduate 22, 23,

I don't think it's too bad. It's just by the time, you know, the season comes, he would be 24. So I definitely understand what you guys are saying. I don't think it's too bad. It's just by the time, you know, the season comes, he would be 24. So I definitely understand what you guys are saying, but I also kind of like I'm just saying, six years in college

is wild. Yeah. And listen, Mo, let me ask you this because I don't know. And I could be wrong. I just thought, and listen,

I'm old as fuck in the young nigga brain, but when I fucking went to school and in 94, 95, I believe, whatever year it was, you get one red shirt year for being hurt. If you're hurt multiple years, that's your problem. Is that how it used to go? That's on you if you keep getting hurt.

You can't keep blaming shit on getting hurt. You get one year to get hurt, and that's the end of it. If you want to keep getting hurt, that's on you. Is that how it used to be? Yeah, that's how it used to be, but I didn't want to get too analytical and real deep into this, but

you have a system that they're trying to preserve free labor. At the end of the day, you keep these kids in a system they develop. They have a good product out there. So you're like you're this. This is advantageous to the NCAA. So they get a fully grown man going out here performing very well. You get a fan base and it kind of leads into something else we're going to talk about. And he's just a good product on the field that they can advertise.

And this is what the same with Bo Nix and're saying with a bunch of these players, right? These are good players. Like, just think about this, right? Your Caleb Williams, your Bo Nix, your Michael Pennix, and Stat had read them off. These are older guys who have been the talk of college football for the past year. And that's why the NCAA allows them to have redshirt years

because you have great quarterbacks and you want to preserve them being around. Like I didn't want to spin it that way and get too deep into it. But you have to remember all of this stuff is all centered around how do we keep the best product on the field. And if we know that this kid had talent, he was a top 300 kid or top 25 kid, and we can give him one more year of eligibility, we can then sell him, market him, and go get ad dollars off of him. And like, sometimes I feel like I belabored a point or

talking about a thousand different ways. But when you talk about this college system at the, at the end of it, you always land off of that perspective where what they're trying to do is extract the most time that they can get from a kid who they can put on that field of market. And that's what we had this year. Yo, that is so, that's why we got you here. You definitely ought to get that deep pause. You got to say that because I didn't even look at it from that perspective.

From the free labor perspective, I didn't even pay that type of. That's why you here. Let me say this, right... That's why you here. Let me say this, right? Over the holidays, I was sad when the show was off, right? And I was like, damn. So when I came on to the show, I was just enjoying the show like

everybody else. And so I was over here just enjoying just being back. I was like a little kid when I got the text like, yo, we back at it. I'm like, so, that's what, yeah, I was over here just enjoying just being back. Like, I was like a little kid when I got the text, like,

yo, we back at it. I'm like, well, pause. I'm like, yeah, let's go.

Yeah, man, listen, man, we missed you too, man. But, yo,

we definitely missed you, man. The fans missed you. You know, that's one thing about when we was off, everybody, the compliments from

everybody of, you know, thank you, Stat, Mace, and of course, we've we was off, everybody, the compliments from everybody of, you know, thank you, Stat, Mace, and of course we've been doing this, but from you, Mo, especially you, OJ, and they love that we bring, I love that we're building a great team together and it's gelling well because a lot of things don't always gel.

You just try and throw them in a pot, see what happens, but this has really been going well. And the people that I run across really love what you bring to the table. And that take was so fucking dope because I didn't even think about the free labor aspect.

If you could get Chris Webber in Michigan for 17 years and you sell the Chris Webber jerseys forever, then yeah, I dig it, man. I didn't even realize it like that. But I knew in my brain, I'm like, yo, you can only get hurt one year when I used to play. I remember that.

So I just wanted to make sure I wasn't bugging. But thank you, man. Yeah, that's a great take and definitely something to think about. So moving along, after Washington beat Texas 37 to 31 during the Sugar Bowl, Michael Penix Jr. made comments live on ESPN saying, Dade City, Tampa, Florida, we up. Then he said, Free Hooli, can't forget about you, brother. How do you feel about his comments live on air? Well, you know, I didn't hear you. He said, day city, Tampa, Florida, we up.

And then he said, free Hooli. So free to guys that are locked up. How do you feel about him saying it live? So, like I say, I'm down with it. So like, this is what I don't like, right? When these people come and get you out of your neighborhood, they understand exactly where you come from, right? And it's your talent and your ability to persevere through that environment that basically brings forward the opportunity. And so oftentimes they try to shame people for having friends who go through

some of life's challenges or getting in trouble and so on and so forth. And, you know, he knows that whether he get a phone call or whether he talk to somebody who's locked up, how it may make him feel just for him recognizing them and picking their spirits up. So I'm down with it. Right. I was locked up. And anytime somebody reached out to me and just mentioned my name and made me feel better. And, you know, hats off to him, you know, but I'm down with it. Just so I'm clear, he shot out somebody in jail and now they're trying to act like it's a big deal. Like, why would he shot out somebody in jail?

Well, there's both. There's that, but a lot of people are like, wow, he's a stand-up guy. Like, that type of reaction. So it's both. Right. Look, man,

it happens. When you, and I don't know Michael Penick's upbringing like that. I know he's from the Florida area. Cause Mace acts like he knows him personally from Florida. You know, it's crazy that Mace is Michigan now,

but it was all Michael Penix is from Florida three, four weeks ago, but now he has a Michigan hat on, but whatever. That's another story for another day. But, um, look, free Trump, free Trump to all the real ones get free. but whatever that's another story for another day but um look free Trump

to all the real ones get free okay laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing alright um

look it's a few things I'll give you some All right. It's a few things. I'll give you some great examples, a quick example. When you're young and you're growing up in an urban, I don't know if it's country, whatever, inner city, especially for me in Mesa or even in Columbus, inner city, everybody's trying to figure a way out. And now it's a lot more opportunities,

not like the opportunities when we had before. And everybody doesn't always get the opportunities today. So you may have people who robbing somebody, people who sell drugs, people who may steal. Some people playing basketball, some people are rapping, some people are trying to do investments. But because people are trying to do investments. But because people are trying to find their way in life, that doesn't mean that you don't

have friends that do bad things. And the real shout-out goes to people like the Maces, the Kims, the Michael Penixes, to where you didn't go down that road because you may have known somebody who went down that road. That doesn't mean that they're not your friend. That doesn't mean that you're not

cool with them. All it goes to show the tribute is that, look, I was talented doing this. He had to figure out a way to eat. Now, I'm not going to sit here and celebrate stupidity. I don't know why he's in jail or who's in jail, but at the end of the day, sometimes people got to eat. Mason said something years ago, and I told him I want the video. One day I want the poster. One day he was talking,

and a lot of people in society for years say that money's the root of all evil. And one day Mace was talking and he was like, he was giving a speech and he was like, the lack of money is the root of all evil. That's the root of all evil. Mace said, why would a man go inside

a check cashing place with a pistol with a stocking on his face talking about giving me the cash? When Mace did it to me, he did the whole body language. He said, nigga, yo, give me a close-up of your neck, nigga. Mace said, nigga, go in there, put a sock in his face like this. Give me your money. That's because it's the lack of money.

I don't think that millionaires is out here trying to kill people, um, for money or murder or rob a steal. And sometime you got to do what you got to do to survive. That's not saying I'm supporting what anybody does illegally, but sometimes you gotta, you gotta get by. And,

you know, I know I'm pretty long winded on this answer. Just, I know so many niggas in jail and it's a bunch of niggas in jail that I used to shout out I have t-shirts jackets made

all type of shit now that's when I was young me and Mace have a mutual friend in jail now that we will not pick the phone up before because he keeps going to jail and we don't want to be a part of what he keeps doing

like yo no I'm not going you keep going to jail you hot and you don't want to be a part of what he keeps doing. Like, yo, no, I'm not going. You keep going to jail. You hot and you don't know how to stay out of jail. Stop calling us until you get out. You know they taping these conversations from jail, right? And that's our nigga. But at the end of the day, when you get older, you be like, yo, you got to have it.

You can't stop. When you get older, you'll be like, yo, you got to have it. You can't stop. When you're younger, I dig it. I dig it. So that's what I had to say about that before Mase. I know you may have something to say about it. Sorry about that. No, that was good.

Killer, I didn't know you watched my sermon. That's crazy. Oh, yeah. I didn't want to say it was a sermon, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You was deaf listening, man. Yeah, man. I feel like Farrakhan now.

Yeah, man, I watched that shit. And listen, this with me and you wasn't even speaking. I said, look at my nigga Murders. I said, I ain't know you could do that up there. No disrespect. I was like, I was like, yeah. I say, in fact, you know what else May said on that same sermon? Now, I didn't want to put your business out there.

You know, so he said the stocking cap shit over the face. Then he said, because I'm not laughing. I don't want people to hear I'm laughing at the sermon. But what he said was that he said, yo, he ain't say nigga, but he was like, a nigga comes up to me and tells me that he found the one bedroom for $450. I don't know if you went to the neighborhood or not, but Mason, I pull up over there. It's all type of rats. It's roaches. It's drug dealers. It's fiends out there

i'm paying the 1700 to live in a better neighborhood i'm gonna find the extra 1300 so i don't have to go through that the lack of money is the root of all evil and that's what that was one of my favorite shifts that I ever watched because it's like, yo, I'm not taking away from you being a great preacher, minister, deacon, no disrespect to the title you are, but that's facts no matter what. Deacon or not, minister or not, preacher or not, that is facts, man. So when you said that, I'm like, yeah, murder, that's what I'm talking about. We wasn't even speaking. I'm'm like yeah murder that's what I'm talking about we wasn't even speaking I'm like yeah the fuck I'm talking about man

yo oh my goodness well in regards to Penix's comments I'ma just say shout out 813 shout out Tampa

cause we from the same area so I thought that was pretty dope I ain't gonna lie yo my god literally that's where I'm from Dade City Zephyr Hills

Pasco County 813 He went to Tampa Bay No I was born in Jacksonville I'm from Tampa So shout out Michael Pennant Oh my goodness That's lit

When niggas be in the comments Talking about Jacksonville Which street One minute I was born in Jacksonville I grew up in Tampa. Wesley Chapel. We had this background, guys.

My thing is this. I'm going to be totally honest. I'm sorry. It's OJ stat than me now. Jet lag and blueberry juice. Yo, listen. I'm going to be honest with you. You just passed me.

Yeah, I'm going to be honest. She's on the road this year. I'm not going to sit here and say, I'm not going to sit here and say you ain't, because I know you from Tampa when I first met you. But then when niggas was talking about Jacksonville, oh, I was born, you used it when, I was born in Jacksonville.

Now you from Tampa. I'm going to be honest with you. And I'll say this last, and you got, you use it when, I was born in Jacksonville. Now you from Tampa. I'm going to be honest with you and I'll say this last, you got the last words that I don't care. I'm just going to say what I have to say. Scared.

Nothing bad. Mace was saying Pennix from Florida before you. Now you talk about 813, we're in the building. Mace definitely was saying

Pennix was from Florida before you did. So. Thank you, Killer. I will say that. But that doesn't even matter because you're choosing Michigan. That doesn't even matter anymore.

Mo, OJ sat the Mace. You passed me stat on the all-time cat list. Oh, gosh. The spin cycle. Gotta change it up. For real.

Okay. I gotta make, let me make an announcement for Seamus 3. Yes, sir. To all the people who keep on hitting me up and sending me music,

I am not an A&R and I do not pass on music. Can I make that announcement? I said the same thing. I'm with you I see my nigga My nigga Nick is in the control room Saying he get that shit too

Yo Nick you get that shit too? Yeah that shit I just want to make a disclaimer to everybody So I don't have to be disrespectful I don't have that relationship with him I can't pass the music That shit go on iTunes Or wherever that shit go

and you market it yourself, but I don't have that relationship with them. So cool with everybody. Same, same, same. However, if you name drop me in a song, because I've got a couple of those,

y'all can keep doing that. That's pretty cool. Okay. Moving along. It's cool until it's a diss track. Oh yeah, we don't want to. I don't want to smoke because then I got to make a diss track oh yeah we don't want to i want to smoke because i gotta make a diss track y'all is not ready for that okay moving on to a more general question what do you feel like are the pros and cons of bringing back former players to universities they once had

success at maurice first uh i would say the pros in this environment where you have name, image, and likeness, the pros is that you can get an older fan base and the new fan base excited about somebody who teams used to be excited about that is involved with the program, right? So you have somebody who has success with that brand and, you know, that person is involved. And that means you generate more money. That means you generate, you know, excitement around older people who are just a little older and have more money to throw at the program to help to recruit players and just pick up the brand. The cons from what I see is that a lot of the coaches who are new, who may not be as notable as the former players, they can't coexist unless they're very strong people with somebody who has a big personality. And that's kind of or just a lot of name recognition that they may feel insecure about or that they may feel may take away from

them being able to lead the team so those are my two uh points of view about the pros and cons you want to go me so you were that was really good it was yeah that was really good because i was thinking about that it's very hard for one of the cons of being a coach, especially when you used to be very famous, is exactly what he's saying, because you're used to being the man. Now this new guy comes in there and want to do it a total different way. And that could be a huge problem. Most times when celebrities or people who used to be prominent at that campus doesn't work that that is the main reason so you're 100% right on that

Maurice that was really good I think both no I was going to say both of you guys hit the nail on the head pause I don't even have too much to add to it I'll go somewhere else with it I don't even think we need to go with it but I think you guys definitely did a great job answering.

Yeah, I agree. One of the examples that kind of comes to mind is Pat Ewing at Georgetown. Cause I mean, when he went back to coach, it just didn't work out. I don't know if it was time period. Like you would think he would have the culture of the school, which I know he had their best interests at heart,

but seeing how it kind of played out, it just didn't work. And that's usually what happens. Great points. How long has he been gone from... This is his second year gone? Maybe first?

A good one was Jawan Howard at Michigan. Yeah. He did pretty good at his alma mater. He's had success and Penny Hardaway he has success who else

who did Penny Hardaway is a great example you guys are bringing up really good examples yeah so yeah a lot of the time

it doesn't work and he to answer your question Maurice he left last year and Georgetown I think has already been performing better

I don't know their exact record but yeah it happens but no I was about to ask how was memphis doing before penny i got there does anybody know horrible yeah horrible we gotta go see a mikey williams game killer we gotta go to memphis yeah they they mad they mad at you

not that the people on the page. They love me in Memphis, man. No, no, no. I'm not. See, Murda, I ain't say. They love you. Every state I name, they love you. I'm just saying that people in the comments.

Not you. You was getting the most of it, but I got a little bit of it, too, because niggas was trying to say, niggas was trying to say, see, y'all thought it was over for Mikey. No, we didn't. We just said that he could be facing X amount of years. You know what niggas trying to say, see, y'all thought it was over for Mikey. No, we didn't. We just said that he could be facing X amount of years. You know what niggas get mad at? And listen, I'm talking to the audience.

Y'all cannot get mad that we're reporting what could potentially happen. If it doesn't happen, that doesn't mean that we told y'all that was going to happen. We're just reporting. If he could get up to 20 years and that's what's being reported

and we say it and then he doesn't get any time, you can't be like, yeah, murder, yeah, Kim, y'all niggas thought da-da-da. No, we never thought anything. We're just saying that's what could potentially happen.

Thank God it didn't happen. Yeah. But don't get mad at us for us reporting what could potentially happen. Thank God it didn't happen and make sure, right, let's get down there and see Mikey and support Penny. Don't get mad at us for us reporting what could potentially happen. Thank God it didn't happen. It makes you right.

Let's get down there and see Mikey and support Penny. I remember Penny used to come to your shows. We're big fans and friends with Penny Hardaway. But to the audience, you can't get mad that we report something, and then it doesn't go that way, and then you act like we was on the side of the niggas that's saying basically he could get up to 20 years. We never said, yo, I hope that nigga get 20 years. We never said that.

We're just saying it's a possibility. And thank God it didn't happen. Yeah. Yeah, and we also never wish that he got time. So we wasn't trying to say we hope the nigga get time. We're saying, like, act better because you're a prominent talent and we want to see you do well and we want to see Penny do well

and the whole Memphis needs some good energy and something good to go see that don't require guns. You know? There we go. Great clarification. Okay. We're going to go to break and when we return, we will talk about ESPN and the NCAA's extended media deal.

Don't go anywhere. She call this thing abouts toxic Four years and counting Got you feeling like a option Maybe I'm my own problem, babe She tired of hearing I don't know What's happening, me won't fall Dealing with this thing called trust But she really thinking bout Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I wish somebody told me the rules. Disagreements let her win in this corner when it's cool. Even when I'm right to say nothing about you. Welcome back. So let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day. Tonight, OKC will play the Nets.

Underdog fantasy has SGA at 32 and a half points. Do you have them higher or lower? Cam. The Nets? Yeah. I'm going to go lower because he ain't, and I'm not saying

he's not going to have a good game, but I think he have about 26. He getting them 30s and 35s and 40s or niggas he got to prove a point to.

There's nobody on the Nets he got to really prove a point to. So I'm going to go lower only because he's trying to just make a statement when it's against the Steph Currys,

the Lucas, the Jamal Murrays and everybody else. Not saying he can't get it, but I don't think it'll be tonight. All right, Mace. I'm going to disagree with Cam.

I'm going to think that, you know, because he's been doing it, pause on everybody else, he's going to try to keep with Cam. I'm going to think that, you know, because he's been doing it, pause on everybody else, he's going to try to keep it going. And what better place to do it than in New York? So, SGA, I'm going to go higher. SGA, don't make me look bad.

Chet, is that eight rebounds? Do you have them higher or lower, Mace? Higher. Check it right now. He's my rookie of the year. You said Wimby was the best player in the world when the season started, Mace. Just telling you what you said.

Anyway. I'm going to go. That's what I'm doing in the new year. I'm not talking in the new year. I'm going to go. That's what I'm doing in the new year. I'm not talking in the new year. I'm going to start my head up. I'm going to go lower. I'm going to go lower.

Okay. And Michael Bridges is at 29 and a half points, rebounds, and assists. Do you have him higher or lower, Cam? I'm going to go high. M Cam? I'm going to go high. Mace? I'm going to pause lower. Okay.

Download the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too. Okay. So ESPN and the NCAA have agreed to a $920 million eight-year extension to their media rights deal that covers 40 championships, including international rights to March Madness. Obviously, there's a lot of money that goes into that. How do you feel about that deal, especially considering all the discussion around revenue

sharing? Maurice first. Yeah, I think when they came out with the news, I think one of the big things that when people shared the article with me, please remember that $920 million is just for championship games. It has nothing to do with the contract that they may have negotiated during the season or any other ancillary revenue that they generate off of players. ancillary revenue that they generate off of players. And so when you take it back and you talk about the national championship and why I'm advocating for Harbaugh, all of this is it. So he knows that the amount of contracts that they negotiate, and if you looked at what they negotiated before, it used to be a $500 million 12-year deal. Now they've condensed it to a, what is it called,

an eight-year $920year deal. Now they've condensed it to a, what is it called, an eight-year, $920 million deal. And they said, when you mathematically do the equation, it's three times the amount of money than what they've negotiated before. And so nobody's paying you $920 million if they don't have a return on their investment, right? And the product on the field or the thing that drives that is the players on the field. And so I'm going to keep on advocating for Harbaugh, for Chip Kelly, for everybody. And then at some point I hope that the players, the people who participate in the sport,

I hope they have enough education and there's some sort of like a governing body, be it a union or something that can advocate and allow these people to participate in the revenue. And I don't know, Those are my thoughts on it. Moe, is you pocket watching? Supreme pocket watching. Pocket watching supreme. That's right, Moe.

Police them niggas, though. I think Moe is right. The college fucking NCAA needs to be pocket watching. We not going to pocket watch when you're an adult. Nah, when niggas is an adult. OJ mad at adults when he pocket watching. This shit is ridiculous. Kids is still out here that got to fight for NIL deals and everything else.

And the NCAA is making close to what is, if you do the math, about 140 million a year from ESPN alone. That's just ESPN. That has nothing to do with any other outside deals that they got.

And they still don't want to give kids no money. The NCAA, like because kids are getting NIL deals, and it seems like, oh, now niggas is getting money, niggas is pulling up to school in Maybachs and Lamborghinis and jewelry and so on and so forth. None of that is from the NCAA, though.

All that is them going out to market their selves and negotiate deals their self, and then they make their own money. Not to mention, if you go get a deal and it goes against your school policy or a deal that they have with somebody else, I should say, you can't do the deal. So let me be more clear. If a kid, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, Mo, but I think I'm right. You're right. If a kid goes and says Adidas wants to give them a $20 million deal, but the school has a deal with Nike already, you can't go do the Adidas deal.

Am I wrong about that? No, you're 100% correct. And just to let Mace know, we on our reparations tour. That's why you out and down under pause. And that's why we, we, we talk about these athletes. We get what's owed to us. You know what I'm saying?

And so since these kids can't talk about it, and since they can't articulate. The reparation tour. The reparation tour. Yeah. This is what we doing. Right. I'm just trying to help these kids understand.

Just think about this, right? When Jim Brown was alive, Jim Brown was a dude advocating for me, said, hey, man, they doing you wrong. And he was articulating something that I couldn't understand. Right now, I'm 40 years old. I got a clear understanding of what's going on. I got a clear understanding of economics. I got a clear understanding of what these dudes should be and could be getting paid. And now we're in an era of social media where you can share this information and these young dudes can gather it and grab it. And maybe it's somebody who's smarter than me, younger than me, who can help to enact this stuff, right? And so these guys ain't getting they just do. And I'm just here to say, hey, man, y'all have granted me a platform. I'm just here to talk about it, but then break it down in a way

that people can understand it because all this stuff goes around. I want to say this too. That $115 million a year is just for championship games. It's not for anything else. So if you can negotiate $115 million a year for championship games, how much other money have you negotiated that these players aren't participating in, right? So then you say this to yourself, like, well, who's the NCAA? Like, just think about this. Who's the NCAA and where does this $115 million go to? And what does it go for? Who is it taking care of? You know what I'm saying? You don't need these people to play football. You need players on the field to play football. So if they've decided to

take that money, and just if you read the article, 25% of it goes into marketing. The fuck you need 25% to go into marketing for some shit people are going to watch already. You know what I'm saying? And so this is the stuff that I talk about, but when you put these marketing budgets in place and rather you building out a pro forma of who you're going to get this money to, this goes to the marketing agencies, this goes to the people that's inside of the ecosystem.

And just because we don't have the understanding, we get taken advantage of. And so that's all this is. This is me helping people to get an understanding that, yo, there's an economy around you. Fuck this jumpsuit. Fuck these sneakers. Fuck this NIL shit. It is an economy going on around you. And if you stop, like if you just stop and say, we're not playing and we have to negotiate, that's the only way that you can reposition yourself to get a better deal. That's it. You know what I'm saying? That's where the

passion comes from. It comes from going through this shit and catching the pause, the short end of the stick. And you say, okay, well, how do you intelligently tell somebody what's going on, then position themselves

to advocate for themselves so they know what they're talking about when they go back to the negotiation tables? And that's sort of like where this passion and the ability to articulate what you're talking about when they go back to the negotiation tables. And that's sort of like where this passion and the ability to articulate what you're talking about comes from. Mo, that was really deep. Pause.

It sounds like you need to make a players association for college, like they got whatever they got for the NBA. They need that for college football. That's what I was hearing when you said that. That would be a good thing. Yeah, that sounds really good. So what is life? Life is you give back to, like, I think the most honorable thing

you can do, man, is give help to somebody who can't help themselves. You know what I said? Or give opportunity or give light or give discovery or a path for other people to do better. you know, or give opportunity or give light or give discovery or a path for other people to do better, you know, even though you can't benefit directly from what's going on. That's what I feel is honorable. And that's kind of like, even while I'm on this platform, it could be self-serving or you could say, hey, man, you know, since I have a voice or

since somebody's listening, there may be people who have never heard this or don't understand it, but you get more people talking. That's how you get an energy around it. Then you get somebody who's smart, right? I'll give you a prime example. Today, I was with doctors all day, right? And there was a physician who I'd never thought in a million years, he listened to the show and my man listened to the show and it was surprising. But these are people who have relationships, be it with politicians or attorneys who can help you to bring your idea or your vision into life to help these young guys out.

Just throw them. Thanks, bro. Super dope point, and I'm happy that Let me say something real quick, and I know they might not be able to hear me at the moment, but that was really good, Mason, what you were saying about

that was really dope what you were saying, like a players association for college. What I will say is this about that. We will have to get more security because niggas will try to snipe that nigga. Niggas say, Mo security because niggas

were trying to snipe that nigga. Niggas said, oh, these niggas getting too smart. Hold the fuck on. We will have to get you secret service

because niggas would definitely be like, oh, they done figured shit out. That was a really great point you made, Mo and Mace. It was even dope

you adding that on because now you have somebody advocating and fighting against the NCAA and for the players and niggas don't want that. You see so long collective bargaining be going on sometime at least the strikes in professional sports. I think both of you guys made great points with that scenario. And if that does come to life or to fruition, Mo, let me know so we can get the right security around you after that. I'm with you. And cook your own food, Mo.

Yeah. Cook your own food. You're playing with big dollars right now. And Maurice, before we wrap, I know you had a general question that you wanted to kind of start a discussion about. So what was that question? Yeah, the question was for both of them.

And, you know, you go around and you see former athletes or just people who were somebody at some point in their lives. Right. And one of the things that they struggle with, this could be somebody in the streets. This could be somebody in sports. This could be somebody in entertainment. Right. And y'all can frame and shape the question or around with it, whatever you want to. But what do y'all think is like the biggest struggle from people that they have that they can't transition from?

You know, I used to be a notable somebody, somebody in the streets who want to relive their glory years or somebody from just the music transitioning and growing into something else or sports. Like what is the struggle or how have you seen people like successfully deal with that? You know what I'm saying? It's just, this was like just a thought in my head that sometimes I have questions that don't fit on a normal sporting platform, but it's just stuff I just want to ask y'all. That's why we got this platform. We don't always, we're colleagues,

but we're also friends at the same time. So just ask the question one more time so I'm clear on it. Totally. I kind of get it, but I want to give a detailed answer. So could you ask that one more time? Just so I'm clear, I'm going to read it from the notes I was saying, like, okay, what makes it hard for people to adjust from being up,

like up having money, to have to transition to, you know, being a regular? That goes for street sports and entertainment. And I would just say, like, what makes it hard for people to adjust from being a somebody being up to,

you know, being a regular individual. And why is that deemed like a, like a knock that they have to like that their glory years or what they were talented from no longer exists. And then they got to go live a regular life. And it relates to like, I see people getting hung up on drugs and alcohol and lives get ruined. I'm talking about more about black people in general, but like from y'all perspective and y'all experience, like, what do

you think, what makes that so hard? That's a great question. I'll go first. I say it's a money thing. Back to the real root of all evil. And when I say a money thing, it's because when you're popular or a celebrity or a public figure or whatever phrase you want to use for it, and you don't have any money and people notice you and they be like, shit, look at what's the name working here. And he used to be the nigga who did

da-da-da-da-da-da-da. So you feel bad because people notice you. Like, I give a great example, and I'm not saying, I don't know his financial situation or anything, but we can use Cole from the TV show Martin. He was working in a car dealership after he stopped acting on the television show Martin. And he handled it well.

I seen people come up with their cameras. Cole, what you doing? I'm selling cars. I got to pay my bills. I've seen people come up with their cameras. Carl, what you doing? I'm selling cars. I got to pay my bills. I got to do what I got to do. And that's what some, that's some people's attitude. Some people go into depression

because they're not living the life that they once lived. Some people are chasing a high that they once have and they don't know how to budget their money. I'll say this for me and Mace as well.

I don't know. I'll let Mace answer his own question. To me, I got a lot of ignorant shit out the way when I was young and thank God I was able to maintain my money, also know how to hustle and bring more money in

and budget my money well. But, you know, when you're from a hood like me and Mace is from, you want to shit on niggas that didn't think you would make it. You got to go buy a pink Range Rover. You got to go buy the Pepsi Blue Lamborghini. You got to go buy 10 Range Rovers.

So you could say, yeah, nigga, this is what I did. But at the end of the day, when you do that, when you're young, you're thinking that's how your life is going to be forever. You may make $4 million when you fucking 21 and then make 50,000 when you're 29. So luckily for me, I always had a system. This was my system. And I know this is kind of veering off the question. I told myself, look, I have $5 million, right? This $5 million, if this is going to last me forever in case I don't make another dollar, because I say, look, $100,000 a year, you spend $100,000 a year, right? And you say to yourself, and this was when I was about 35, 30, you know, I had more money than I was saying in my brain

what I thought. I said to myself, all right, cool. I got my bills a year, boom. All right, cool.

A hundred thousand is cool. Niggas with good jobs make a hundred. And I say, I'm 35 now. Another 50 years, I'll be 85. There's five million. I'm going to spend 100,000 a year

until I'm 85 years old in case I don't make another dollar. Now, I made more money, but now it's all extra because now I can say, boom, now I can spend more. Now I can make more money. Now I can go buy more cars or buy more cribs or more jewelry or put more money away for my son, or my family, or whatever. But the $5 million is tucked because I always have this $100,000 a year plan, and everything else is extra. And I think people don't budget their money good. I'll give you a great example if we're going to do sports on the flip side. Not somebody who's on drugs, it's not somebody who's doing bad or whatever, and he's a Harlemite. A lot of people don't even know he's from Harlem,

but we'll use Jamal Mashburn. Jamal Mashburn was a great NBA player, great high school player, great college player, Kentucky as well. After he stopped playing in the pros, you may see Jamal Mashburn be like, oh shit, that's Jamal Mashburn. What he's doing? What he's going on with?

But he actually made more money outside of basketball than playing basketball. He has, I think, 50 restaurants, 60 restaurants, investment, real estate. He's probably worth about three or $400 million Jamal Mashburn is. So when you see him and you don't think he may be doing anything, you're like, fuck going on

with MASH. He looking regular. He got sandals on. Nah. Nah. He don't feel bad what you say about him because it's none of your business what he doing. He don't know what he... He don't give a fuck. That nigga made more money outside of basketball than with basketball. So to me, to answer

your question, Mo, I know I was kind of long on it. I think it's financial. If you're not up financially, you feel bad. But if you have money and people don't know what you're doing, you don't really give a fuck.

But how to transition it, it's a hard question for me to ask because I'm still so fly. I'm still getting that bread. I'm kind of that nigga like, look at me, like fucking loopy. What nigga my age is loopy like this nigga?

So it's hard for me to answer that. We will have to go get somebody not in my position to answer this question. Sorry, murder. Go ahead, bro. Yeah, that was such a hollow nigga question. You got to get somebody else to answer that so let me

let me attempt to answer it cause I can't answer it but let's try one of the things that really is a struggle for people is that they identify themselves through the money. That's what makes the transition really, really hard. People think who they are is the money that they have. So when they don't have the money or let's just take any good celebrity that we know right now. Most celebrities

are highly dysfunctional. And because they have money, they don't know how dysfunctional they are because everybody just goes with what they're doing. When they lose the money, then people begin to show them how they really feel about them. And that's a rude awakening for them. So that will make it hard because you thought you were so smart and it was like, no, nigga, you was just paying me $300,000 a year. So I was doing what you say. Right now, you don't have the 300. So I'm not doing anything that you're saying. And that's what, that makes it hard for a lot of people. So they feel like people switched up on them. People never switched up on you. You've been crazy. It's just the money made people not tell you how crazy you were.

So that's the first point. The second thing I wrote down while Ken was talking is pretty much the same thing. People are very dysfunctional. So that was the same. And then the third thing that I saw, because this happened to me, right? So when I stopped doing music, I said, I want to give away everything I got. Because I got rich so fast and things came at me so fast. I didn't know what anybody was. That's how fast it happened to me. I didn't know who was who. didn't understand what people was asking me. I didn't understand how they was talking to me because I wasn't that nigga before. You know what I'm saying? Like I was, I was a hard worker, but I wasn't that nigga. So once everything happened, it was like, oh, I call all the shots. Yeah. I call all the shots. So then I didn't want that

at first because I wanted to know what my real worth was with people so I kind of like gave everything that I had and I made away and then what I realized was like yo there's some people that really rock with me but then they weren't people that I knew so I hope that kind of explained it so then when money started coming back and I started making more money than I made in rap I started looking at it like life totally different and what so it wasn't hard for me because I gave everything away so I wanted to see how it would come back to me and through that, I just realized I was actually really meant to be rich because no matter what I do, money just comes to me.

And I thank Cam because even Cam inviting me to do this show with him, it just brought it full circle to me because more than anything, I had a lot of money, but I didn't have like real relationships. So, and this meant more to me than just money. It was just sitting here with Cam. That like really helped me. That was a really, really great answer, man. That was good. That was dope.

That was really good, man. That was good. That's why you paid the big bucks. That was a great answer, man. And yo, thank you. And thank you for being a part of the show. Because like a lot of times, a lot of people don't know, me and Mesa sit here and we'll text each other

and we'll say, the show is dope, but us just being friends again means more than the show so we say this off the camera all the time but sharing it on the camera the feeling is mutual bro and just having my brother back in my life I love it and

you could tell the people it's 95% of the people rooting for us loving to see this but I definitely love watching the 5% of the people rooting for us, loving to see this, but I definitely love watching the 5% of the people who hate on it because I know we get under their skin and niggas don't like us with each other because they know what it's about to be.

You know, they know what me and this nigga together equals. So I love that, man. And thank you for sharing that. That was really deep, man. And I'm not even going to say pause. That was dope. And that was a great that, man. And thank you for sharing that. That was really deep, man. And I'm not even going to say pause. That was dope. And that was a great question, Maurice.

But thank you more than, like I said, be amazed always. Tell each other thank you and how much we are happy to be in each other's life. But, you know, sharing that moment on camera with everybody was really dope. Thank you, man. Yeah.

You guys both definitely dropped some gems. And that was an amazing ending thank you man Maurice thank you for no that was good I love this shit man I love this shit yeah and Mo

thank you too and thank you Stat you gave me now the title I need to drop some music it's the reparations tour you gave me now the title I need to drop some music. It's the Reparations Tour. You gave me my title. The Reparations Tour. I can stand on that. God, keep playing with people, Murda.

God, keep playing with the audience. Yo, Mo, I'll see you next week. Get the hard work. Get the hard work. The Reparations Tour. Get the hard work. I ain see you next week. Get the artwork. Get the artwork. The reparations tour. Get the artwork. Hey. I ain't saying no more.

Hey, get the, you know, you done put it out there. Pause. I'm going to get the artwork for you. Mo will have the artwork in 15 minutes. Keep playing with that. Let's go, Johnny Shikes. Let's go. Y'all need that shirt right there.

That shirt is tough, yo. That shirt is tough. We. That shirt is tough. We need that on the jacket. Tough, bro. Yeah. Hey, don't play with us. That's a fact. Don't play with us.

Pause. Okay. I'm excited, and I'm sure everyone else is too. Maurice, thank you for being here. Thank you all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.