IT IS WHAT IT IS - MOST OVERRATED FRANCHISES IN SPORTS & WHO WOULD YOU PAY TO GO WATCH IN PERSON?!

Episode Date: November 19, 2025

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It's like, whoa. presented by Underdog. If you're new to Underdog, today's the day, get $100 in bonus entries when you play just $5 with code. It is what it is. So we've been partnering with Underdog for a while, and trust me, y'all, this is the best offer they've ever dropped. Y'all don't want to miss it. Underdog is available in most states, including Florida, California, and Texas, just to name a few. So make sure y'all support the show, hit that subscribe button, lock in your bonus, and start playing today with code. It is what it is. I'm treasier wilson aka stat baby along with your host mace in cam and today we are joined with our analyst maurice claret

mo what's going on killer was good bro bro yeah it's phenomenal phenomenal how your brother's doing out there you're out there looking like you running for um congressman or something Yeah, well, I thought she's going to talk about my tree. You ain't in a simple palm tree. I told you the over and under on that, I already told you that. The tree, I said for Christmas, Mom. He forgot he said that, Stad just reminded him, man. Yeah, listen, thank you.

No, Statt is just keeping it real. She's from Jacksonville. She's from the crib. She can't afford to be going against me this early. Christmas is coming. up moe well i appreciate the compliment but i thought stat you're supposed to be on our side we're right this one right i mean he did he literally said mo i'm gonna get you that tree the tree is pauses is is a palm tree mo you can't just rush those kind of things man they're not like

amazon prime you know it says so so you would have to ask my address first in order to be sitting tree right facts mo come on You got to know I know your address. I'm a street nigger in a suit. I wouldn't have you this close to us if I didn't know where you stay at, Mo. There you go. Well, that makes two of us, right? Yeah, Mo.

I don't know, you know. Okay, so glad to have you today, Maurice. We're going to get started. We got some good thought-provoking questions. thought provoking questions that I want y'all's opinions on. So we're gonna start with this. So we've seen the runs that super teams can go on in the NBA. Maurice, do you think super teams are dead in basketball?

Yeah, I believe that super teams are dead. And the reason I think that they're dead because the NBA is starting to shift to what I believe is more of a blend of international players. And I personally believe that I don't think when it comes to just building super teams. I think super teams were built around personal brands of just players trying to, one, they're famous themselves,

but then trying to win championships. And I just don't think a lot of international players, and I could be wrong, but it's just my opinion. I don't think that that is like the focal point of a lot of international guys. I don't think they come up that way. I don't think that the promotion of just self is as big overseas as it is domestically.

And so that's why I think for the most part, super teams are dead. Yeah, I think when it comes to super teams that they still do exist. They're not dead. I think they're just going about it in a more charismatic way of how they're building these super teams. Most of them are just coming from the draft, like they get one star player. And then as you notice, they start working. It's almost like they tank two years in a row or have two bad years in a row.

They get two phenomenal players. And then they save up their cap because they're dealing with rookies. and they just go out and get a phenomenal piece to add to that team. And then they have a homegrown super team, if I could say that. It's not just generated through trades anymore. Now they're homegrown those teams. Look at OKC is similar to what they did. They had check.

I mean, they drafted check. Then they drafted Jay Will. Then they traded for Shay and now they got that's considered a super team. but it's not one that came with a lot of trades. Gotcha. I think when you draft niggas, that's not really a super team, my personal opinion. I get what Mesa is saying, like, you tanking to get them.

I don't agree with that. Some teams do be tanking, though. I'm not going to say that's not a fact. But it's like me and sent out this argument. Now, when you ask Kevin Durant to Golden State, absolutely, it turns into a super team. But when you always be like, yo, they got Clay, they got Draymore, and they got stuff.

they drafted these niggas. And it ain't like they got number one picks. When you think about Steph Curry, he's number eight in the draft. You think about Clay, he's not a first pick. You think about Draymond. He's winning the second round. And that's the core of the team. And Mace is absolutely right.

You put pieces around that to make it a great team. But that's what every team does. I think the reason why people are saying there's no more super teams are not like that. It's because the teams, when they try and manufacture them, they not win it. You think about Kawha Leonard and Paul George going to the Clippers. They're like, uh-oh. Clippers might be the best team in L. No, it didn't work out, whether it's injury or anything else, it's not working out.

No, we've seen a lot of success when, to me, the Everwhere started at, and I'm not even talking about, like, Shaq and Kobe. I think we're starting at when people think they needed three players or so is when you had KD, pardon me, KG, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, and Paul Pierce. Paul Pierce. And niggas are like, oh, that's the formula. That's the formula. You think about it, they only won one champion.

The next year, Kobe and Pall Gassau, they won, actually, a couple. And you can sit there and say, well, Andrew Bynum played, but he wasn't on the level of them. It was only two people. You think about teams like the Spurs, Tony Parker, Manor Genoble, Tim Duncan, all with the Spurs from the very beginning. You know, like Bruce Bowen, you, I throw some pieces in, but every team is going to have pieces in. Jamal Murray, the Joker. These are players that got drafted.

they got drafted. And then you sit there and be like, yo, they're great. But I had an argument with the nigginson again. He didn't realize the joke had been in league like eight, nine years before he actually started getting his credit because he comes out the blue to people who are not paying attention to the league like that. They'll be like, where the joker car? Nigger, he's been there for on the bench and all that from the time he got from overseas. He got there. I just think that they're not as obvious. Mace's made a great point. He might be disguising them. But I wouldn't call the super team. Like, it's dead obvious when Chris Bosch and LeBron James is leaving their respective teams, which were both in the playoffs.

Cleveland was in the playoffs and the Toronto Raptors was in the playoffs before they went to Miami. Which was already in the playoffs. So you're saying, like, look, the East ain't even going to have no chance because there's already two teams where their leading scorers were on that team and now you went to another team. I just don't think that it's working like it used to. And, you know, GMs might be like, this may not be the format. And even when you think of that Miami team, Mo, not to cut you off, but they even added a sneaky Ray Allen, you know, so it ended up being a fourth player.

So they have four as far as really. Yeah. So I think we can all agree that we've seen the game evolve and then change in ways that we might not have expected. So what do you guys think the formula is now to win? Or do you think that there's not a formula at all, Maris? Yeah, I think it's through depth. I think that you have to have a bench.

I don't think that five players are two or three superstars and a couple guys are going to get it done. I think you have to have six or seven guys. You have to have a large rotation in regards to either wearing the team down and allowing your bench to score points. But I don't think three guys and a couple, you know, normal guys are getting it done. I think six, seven, eight guys who you have to have in rotation. And I think if you look over the league over the last few teams that's one, I think that's the formula. And I think that's what more teams are building around or building their franchises towards. Yeah, when it comes to championships, what's the question again?

Yeah, like what do you think the formula is now to win? So we had it before. Yeah, I think it's always been a dominant, a dominant wing player as well as somebody that shows up in the front court. Every championship team I can remember has had that, whether it's Shay and there's somebody like Czech or one of them showing up down low, where you have Tim Duncan and Tony Park, or you have Kobe Bryant, you have Shaquille O'Neill, or you have Vernon Maxwell and Khane Malajuan. The only team I don't remember that had a dominant play on the front court with the Chicago Bulls,

but other than that, it seemed like every other team did. Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul, whether you're talking about. about LeBron James, and then you got, what's his name, Kevin, something, Kevin that was playing powerful with. Kevin Love. Yeah, Kevin Love. Well, Bosch and LeBron and Wade. It's always been that way to me.

I don't agree with Mo. I think that it's depth these days. You see niggas that don't even get to the championship because they're tired towards the end of the year. And they're sitting there war and out. You know that you could make a case for that with the Knicks. You sit there and see Tibido running them niggas into the ground, and then injury starts happening towards the end of the year.

And there's a hobbled, and then they can't finish the playoffs out. No, we've seen that happen with Cleveland last year. Cleveland won a fucking, a record-breaking year without a LeBron James on the team. And then when playoffs came, they were hobbled. OKC last year, Caruso did a great job coming off the bench. Wallace, Isaiah Jordan. Then I keep players like Dork, especially Dork.

I like that dude a lot. We don't mention his name a lot on this show, but I thought he was, even though he doesn't get a lot of light, I think he needs to get more light because he, you don't win that championship without him. But I totally agree with you, Mo, I think it's definitely, especially with players getting so injured all the time. Yeah.

Yeah. And then hopefully that fixes soon because we've seen a lot of players up. We've wanted to see perform who quite literally just can't because of injury, so it's been a letdown. But, of course, as this has been happening since the beginning of the time, but I just feel like right now is getting to some of the teams. So Mace, you mentioned star players and you also talked about dominant players, but I'm going to ask Maurice this first.

Who do you think are box office athletes this year, if any? I don't know. When I think of box office, I think first you gotta define that term of like somebody who's coming to your town, somebody you've heard of, somebody you've heard of, somebody who, if you have kids, they know him, the adult storm, somebody want to come and see them. And I think that there's a lot of good players.

I don't know if I'm getting old. I think there's a lot of good players that people would like to see if they had time. But I don't see any box office must-see TV athletes anymore. And I don't know if that make me feel old or I sound old, but I just don't see it anymore where there's people who come to your town and you feel like you have to go and see them because they're that spectacular. I just think like that whole notion of superstardom in some regard is like faded.

And I don't know if it's like that's the reason that we said that we don't have a face of the NBA. But I just don't see any box office athletes that me personally for somebody who keeps up with the sport that I would like to see. I couldn't disagree more than what Moja said. I think when you're talking about Wimby, Wimby is definitely box office. Jai Morant is box office. I mean, to me, to my preference, Ant-Man would definitely be box office. these are people you would have to see play. I would even say Stefan Curry is still box office to me

because the way he plays the game is still elusive. It's still when he's playing is still different from everybody else that I see playing the game. It's almost like he has this whole different style of basketball than everybody else is playing. So I definitely think he must see TV. And when Zion is healthy, Zion is must see TV. When you say box office, like Mo said, I don't know the definition.

Like you have to explain the definition because Stad didn't say basketball players. She said athlete. It's a bunch of people that be in the fucking stands for the last nine weeks with Shador Sanders' jerseys on. Even though he's not playing, niggas is out there. So he's not considered a superstar, but he's somebody, somebody people want to see. So that's why I'm saying, what is the definition of box office? I know to me, box office means superstar,

you gotta do everything to see this person play because he's great no matter what it is. So I just wanna say that, because it's one thing, just wanna see somebody, and somebody can consider somebody a star, whether they're playing or not. Like to me, Shador's a star, whether he's on the field or not. He's selling fucking, have hundreds of millions of dollars

in jerseys to where, like, everybody wants to Shador seeing this jersey, it's a collect his item. So that's first and foremost. But if we're talking about actual superstars that's playing the game, I agree with Mace as far as Steph Curry's concerned. Wembe, the way he started off the year, I even agree to John Morant. As much stuff as we say about him on not being the person he was on the court,

his sneakers sell out in six minutes or whatever. You know what I'm saying? Mays made a great list of people that I consider a box office. But as far as football is concerned, too, because that's the athletes. It's a bunch of people that, if you're a real big football fan, you want to see play. This hotel yesterday morning, and they didn't even know Mike Irvin's going to be here. Flooded with fucking cowboy jerseys. Flooded.

Flooded, man. You know what I'm saying? And it may not just be a person on the cowboys, you know, but it's cowboy fans everywhere. We're in fucking Vegas. and it's one Vegas jersey and 92 cowboy jerseys just on the walk to get to my car. So you may sit there and say, yeah, I love that, Prescott.

I've seen a bunch of CD-LAM jerseys yesterday. It depends on what your definition is, but if we're talking about basketball, I think Mace brought a pretty good list up. And I'm curious now, Mace, because you did bring up your basketball list, but does any football box office athletes come to mind? man yeah um Josh Allen would definitely be on that list um watching them play as of lately

and um who else you know definitely um Patrick Mahomes will be on that list and then you got and then you got um um sayquan sayquan is my cTV and it's but and i know that because i'm from new york i'm supposed to say scatterboo is that his name scattable as well as And Jalen Brunson, you know, Jalen Brunson, just for Sin City's sake, he'll love to hear that. You put Jalen Brunson. I think he's growing into my CTV because, you know, when you do well in a New York market, it's like your name get bigger than anywhere else. So I would definitely say that.

I can agree. Just curious, because I know we're talking about box office and like stars and like what's making money. And Terrence Crawford. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Terrence Crawford is definitely my CTV. This is like, it's not really a personal question, but do you own a Patrick Mahomes jersey? Do you have one? Okay, I'm just like, we're talking about box office and like your favorite team. You know, I was just curious. It's too early for this. Okay. You know, I just think that that was a good question. Just just had to ask. Okay. So now we're reflecting, right? Who do you all?

think is the most over-hyped franchise in sports history. We're talking a lot about individual players. Now let's talk about franchise and teams. Marise, who comes to mind? Boy, it's two, and I don't think this is going to be of any surprise. It's the Dallas Cowboys and a New York Knicks. Oh, my goodness. I think that.

Yeah, but when you talk about people who are too delusional fan bases, now the Knicks aren't as delusional because they've made it further and closer to a championship run, but the Cowboys they may have, and I'm a Cleveland Browns fan, so let's, let's set that record straight. We two and seven, I think, or two and eight, one of those. We played the Raiders coming up, but the Cowboys just won their, well, I think it's their fourth game, but the Cowboys are, they have the most delusional fan base. They think that this is the mid-90s, and they swear that they, even when I see y'all on the show yesterday, and he was asking Mike about, did they have a chance to be in the playoffs?

so he thinks that they mathematically eligible some form of fashion like crazy I love that nigga, that nigga crazy yeah but he's delusional man I love him to death but he's crazy I told him to his face that's more bro I had to let him know

I would go on record and say the most overhyped franchise would definitely be the Cowboys I would say the Cowboys in the Lakers as of late I'm totally agreeing with Mo, 100%. Those are absolutely the two most delusional and overrated fan bases. Neither one of these teams has won a championship this century.

Like, my nigga, that's what I told Mike. I said, you win this shit since the 1900. As fuck as you're talking about. Mike talked about, if we dig down deep and then we come up and win Philadelphia next year, we have a chance to be five. It's the B-5. Mike, what the fuck is you talking about, man? You haven't won nothing since 1996.

And you say, Mo, that, and there's no wrong answer when you sit there and be like, Cowboys is more delusional than the Knicks or the Knicks. Me personally, I'm going with the Knicks. Because at least the Cowboys won more recently. Last champion to the 1996. We are not been alive. I'm not going to say that for the 99th time on the show.

To nobody's been old enough to see the Knicks. next one of the championship. Think about this. The last time the Knicks won the championship, Phil Jackson was playing. Like, against Pat Riley, shit like that. Like, what the Trump? This is the last time that is. Like, this is the last time they just played in the championship the Knicks. So at least the Cowboys, we actually was alive to see them actually won a championship.

So, but you know, You know what's crazy about the Knicks fans? As soon as they, and like I said, this is the next year. I tell all the Knicks fans, look, this is the year to do it. Tatum's not there. Halliburton's hurt. Y'all whole team is back. Y'all have some chemistry from last year.

It got to happen this year. But what I'll say is like, yo, the reason why Nick fans be delusional as soon as they get bumped out the playoffs and there's still other games going on, they already start talking about next year as soon as the shit is over. So, if niggas wasn't hurt, I'm telling you right now, watch what happened next year. It's still games going on this year. And niggas already immediately, soon as they get bumped, next year, da-da-da. And I ain't disagreeing because, listen, New York's a great market. When New York is winning, it's great for sports.

And we did see that the ratings were very, very low with OKC in Indiana as far as people watching it. Then that's how their moral victory comes in. See nobody watching that bum-ass shit. Niggas ain't lit. Nixs ain't lit. They're the world champions, let or not, regardless. So I agree with you more with the two most overrated franchise. Franchises is the Knicks and the Dallas Cowboys.

Who is your most overrated franchises that? Most overrated franchise. First for me is always going to be the Cowboys. No disrespect. Mike, because I know that's his team, but I'm just not rocking with him. Trying to think in basketball. I mean, currently, I mean, as of right, if we're talking about this season, of course, I'm going to put the Pacers because they had a good run, but I just don't think that they're

good without Halliburton. And we've kind of seen that, unfortunately. Sorry Pacer's fans, because I know y'all had y'all's thing. And I was rocking with y'all and supporting y'all because it's, it's you should be excited but yeah to see how it's gone downhill like that yeah no why not miami with the winning culture and all of that i don't think miami's overrated they're actually doing pretty good especially with what they have considering that not all of our players have been healthy okay sound like a next day sound like a nick statement right no i don't think we're on

i don't even think i don't even see them on the same pain i was going to say Miami and a piz at first, but I didn't want to take shots. No, no, the Steelers are not overrated. And we think about it for me, the definition, when I say overrated, is when niggas really believe they're gonna win. It's one thing, you know, everybody's supposed to think they're gonna win, but you don't hear niggas

starting the season off like, yo, we gonna take it with the Pacers, or we gonna take. The Knicks always talk about this our year, and so do the Cowboys. That's just me, I'm not saying y'all definition, just for the Cam, it'd be like, Paces is cool. You didn't think they would get to the chip last year.

If you ask a Nick fan, then we go on the chip, you asked cowboy feeding into the chip. So like I said, that's just my definition that's been when niggas be like overrated when they overselling it to just think every year they're gonna win and never win.

I mean, there's a lot of hope. Yes. And then you do, your hope gets killed. We've seen that day after day, week after week, just with the games, but that's just what happens. But you know, sometimes people, catch me by surprise. So even though Cam and Maurice are in agreeance, one of the teams that you mentioned Mace was the Lakers. So I was curious on why you chose then. And then Marisse and

Cam, do you all agree or disagree? I was thinking the same thing Cam was thinking that I meant sharing that, you know, each year they act like the Lakers are going to take it and that LeBron is going to get this other ring. But he doesn't. And so that's why I put him on the list. Okay, Maris. Yeah, when he mentioned it, I don't know why I didn't think of them. They definitely have a delusional fan base. Listen to me, LeBron's my man. I preface it with saying that, but I don't think that the Lakers have a shot

that winning the championship anymore. I think there'll be a good team. I think people have come to the games. I think he'll entertain them, but I don't think that he'll do it. And I don't see another piece being moved over there anytime soon as going to get it done that they'll be super competitive in the West, just my opinion. I disagree. I think unless you, I just, maybe I'm just not in the room with niggas be like and like, you know, the lake is going to take it to shit. I don't be hearing that shit. Like they won a chip since LeBron get there. Even though it's a bubble, some people don't count the bubble. I actually count the bubble me personally. A lot of people don't. Yeah, a lot of people who don't count the bubble.

I don't know if he does or not. I'm saying, I, I count the bubble actually because that's to me, even though you're playing in the crowd. with a crowd and the crowd matters. To me, this is AAU type vibe. It's no, niggas, basketball, nigga. Nobody interfering. You ain't got to sell no crickets to the crowd. It's me and you in the gym and see who's the best basketball player.

That's just my opinion, but it's a lot of people that don't count the bubble. But LeBron won the championship with the Lakers. In the beginning, that's all it was. Oh, is he going to win the championship? He's not going to be a real Laker

if he doesn't win the championship, and he hasn't won one since. But at the end of the day, I don't count it. It was this decade that the Lakers won a championship. So I just don't look at it like that. But when people talk about the people not counting the bubble, I do say y'all do understand both teams were playing up under the same set of circumstances.

So I don't know how you couldn't count it. That's what I don't understand. So I'm just going to ask a source because we're like, people say, people say, Mace made it clear he does not count the bubble. And I just feel like this is a great conversation. So Mace. Why is that brother, Mace? Why can't you count the bubble?

Yeah, I don't count the bubble just like, like, um, it's not a full season. It's almost like a pandemic season. It's almost like a world crisis season. I know people like to say that it's like AAU, but it's not like AAU if you can't really go out to get food. You know, it's like a lot of restrictions that makes it like not. not social will to really be guarded as a real championship.

For me, I think when it comes to a 482 game season, I remember one time that the San Antonio Spurs won it against the Knicks, right? And we counted that, I counted that, that championship because they came back and won more championships.

But when that's just like the one you got on the whim like that, I can't really count that. Okay. But what I was so, niggas was sick, niggas, you know what I'm saying?

It was a, it was a virus going around. Like it was a world virus. I don't know. It's like winning a championship in China and it's in mad cow diseases everywhere. I can't really get with it, you know?

That's me, though. Don't mind me. If y'all love it, it, you know? Yeah, I can deal with your argument if both teams weren't dealing with the same set of circumstances. So it's not like LeBron and those guys had a different set of circumstances from anybody who was playing.

It's kind of what Cam said. It's like AAU vives. When you go into a gym, ain't nobody there but a couple of people and you lace your sneakers up. I lace my sneakers up and we go play. We go back to Harvard and we done. We eat, we come back. We do the same thing over again.

And if you're a hooper, you're going to be prepared to play. to play, but everybody talked about all these distractions that it was so much to be in a room. Like, LeBron had to be in the same room that these other guys had to be in. And so to me, it's actually a level playing field with both teams. But I think like this was people's way of discrediting LeBron.

I'm not saying that that's your advantage. No, no, not if you, not if you can, not if you can discredit other players and say, you know, I heard Lou William went to get wings. It's like, it's not the same if I could be disqualified from playing. because I left the bubble. Those are things that makes it not professional.

I keep hearing y'all say things like AAU, but this is not AU, this is NBA. So when you're applying, what is that? When you're applying amateur rules and amateur insight to a professional sports, that right there tell you is not the same. Oh, I think that he was more so naming than when you go to AAU games,

and the crowd is that there is just, you play, in various teams and the gyms. I think that was the context. But I'm just talking about the context that other teams weren't dealing with a different set of circumstances that the Lakers was,

and the Lakers just prevailed. That's all I was saying. Oh, yeah, the whole world saw them prevail. I'm just saying when there's a worldwide virus, that any person can get and be taken off the court, whether they're the best player or not, we saw that happen to two different teams that could have competed on the West Coast

that couldn't compete because they may have the virus. They have to be checked out, and they got to sit out two games. These are a lot of things to consider, Mo. The facts still remains, we got the championship. We got the championship. The Lakers got the championship. Okay. If you like it, you know, you don't like it.

I'm just saying, it makes me a lot of great points. Like, everything he said was super good. But when you say the 2020 champions, it don't say coronavirus champions. It just say the Lakers. I like that, killer. That's what the chip should say. But it doesn't.

The corona year. But it doesn't. It's no asterisk next to it or nothing. So in about 30 years, when you're trying to explain this to your grandkids and somebody else, you know it's a pandemic case. You know, niggas couldn't go eat. Lou Williams went and snuck and got some wings

that year. You made those were great. Everything you said was great. And that's a fact. But I'd be listening when my grandfather used to tell me shit to and I'd be like, yeah, oh, that's cool, man. I hear you. Yeah, you're right. But everything you said was.

The Cold War and all that. I don't know what the Cold War was. Yeah. But those were great points. How cold was it, Jack? Yeah. But you made a lot of great points, absolutely. You know what the Cold War was that?

Um, that's when like, oh my gosh, prices and things, like, there's like a whole bunch of inflation and like things. Do you know, Larry? Right? Cold war is a war. Like between Germany and somebody? Is that a holl? I just remember people don't have no money for nothing.

Do you know what the Cold War is? Y'all go home and do your homework. You know what's crazy? You know what's crazy? Like when it's that or that? even like, Larry, you'd be like, no, I don't give a fuck with the Cold Wars. I don't know what the Cold War.

You know, I'd be so scared to be wrong, be like, damn, I should know what the Cold War. Why don't fuck do I? You let murder drag, y'all be dragging. Murder me, y'all to make y'all feel crazy. No, I don't know what the Cold War is. I don't give a fuck. But you said, y'all get forward to it.

Let me think I should know Mesa's axing me with the Cold War is. It wasn't Germany. You just looked it up, Larry. I don't know. I don't know. It was a son of you, you, my man. Point being is, who gives a fuck?

That was the point of him even bringing it up. Because like I said, today those points made, Mace made were great. Yeah, we're trying to say you won't even remember what it was. But those were really, really great points. But like, when you go to the record books, like even the shit he said, like, when it was a lockout year, the year the San Antonio won.

against the Knicks, actually, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, it wasn't 82 games. So do you make that a championship for the Spurs? Because it wasn't 82 games? Nah, it was a lockout. It wasn't the Vivers going around like you said. But it was like, that's what I'm saying. But the points you made was very, very, very impressive, very impressive.

But they need to put asteris less to these points, these seasons, when it's super lockouts, different lockouts. Larry's still trying to look up 19. Real quick, back to his question, though, like, if y'all ask me a question, I'm assuming y'all know the answer, not my brain does imagine. Oh, I know it.

That's why I told him, 1947. He was looking around. I'm just saying, if he asked me that, I wouldn't even try and think about it. I'm like, no. I'm always going to try to think. That's just like my brain, how it operates. I'm like, oh, that's a good question.

I'm actively trying to answer your question. But sometimes you look crazier. Yeah. Hey, it's just learning. And then I'm like, okay, well, what was it? And then it's, I don't get an answer. So then I gotta go search it later. Not particularly you, some time,

other people are crazy. Like, I don't always bring up sin, and me and sent out an argument about, I can't remember what it was, about people not knowing what a philanthropist was. We called you about them, we called one of his niggas. And I told his man that you should feel offended that he even called you to think

that you're not smart enough to know what philanthropy is. That's offensive to me, like, I bet you this thing you don't know what philanthropists is. I said, you don't feel insulted? And he's like, word, man, word, so you think I'm dumb. Then he asked him with due diligence, he said, that's like a person, right?

Instead of just saying, nah, I don't know what it is, but you say due diligence is a person. person, it makes you look crazier than just saying, no, I don't know what it is. Shout to my nigger, philanthropy. I call him philanthropy. Blameson for this whole shit for me talking about it. So he tried to play.

That is fair. Okay. So LeBron and Steph won't compete in the Olympics. We will discuss after the break. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. Tonight, the Nuggets will play the Pelicans. Underdog has yokeage at 28 and a half points.

Do you have a higher, lower mace? Hi, this is a big joker, man. Not the little one, pause. Yeah, I'm going to hire too. Hey, Aaron Gordon's at 18 and a half points. Do you have a higher, lower cam? Hi. Higher.

Yeah, I'm happy for Gordon, too, to start winning because he wasn't winning with Orlando. And Zion is at 20 and a half points. Do you have higher, lower, Mace? I'm going even going higher with Zion. I think it's time for him to start going crazy. Lower. Got no faith in memory. At all.

Zero. Fat Zion, skinny Zion. She's quiet. Okay. Make sure you all download the Underdog. and you can make your picks too. So LeBron and Steph did a podcast together. They're answering a lot of questions talking about basketball.

And LeBron made it clear that he doesn't plan to compete for the men's national team at the 2028 Olympics in L.A. He said, you already know my answer. I will be watching it. Steph in return said, God willing, I still have the choice in physical option where I could impact the team. Never say never, but I highly doubt it. Maurice, after hearing that from the both of them, how do you feel about their thought, process. You think it's valid or you think they should go on and play? You know, um, the, the, the, you ever see somebody like when they're past their

prime and they're trying to do the old stuff that they used to do? Uh, and we always talk about them how bad they look and they should have, um, conceded and let somebody else basically feel those, uh, shoes. I think both of them are just basically accepting for all the time. Uh, that's what Steph Curry said, you know, 2028 is, you know, it's around the corner, but, you know, two more years on your body. I know a lot of guys talk about how taxing it is to play a whole season, then play for the Olympics and then have to get ready for the next season. So I'm pretty sure they've taken all that to consideration. I know a lot of talk is talking about LeBron.

And I don't know Bryce's situation out in Arizona, but he would like to be in the league when Bryce comes and then, you know, he'll like to walk off into the sunset. And if that happens, is Bryce having next year to play, have success in Arizona and then get to the NBA. But I think it's just fall of time catching up with both of them. and letting young guys basically have that moment to be more competitive on the international level. Yeah, I think when it comes to 2028, Stefan Curry could definitely play on that team, even looking two years out from now. Well, actually, it will probably be like three years out from now. But I really believe that Stefan Curry would still be a shooter that could make a difference on that team.

He'll be the same player that Ray Allen was on that Miami team. won the championship. So I look at it from that perspective. I think LeBron could definitely still be on the team, but I think by then there will definitely be some other players that will be starting. But I'm not too sure of who would be starting because when we think about this USA team, a lot of the players that's dominating the NBA are foreign players. So who would be those new players that will be playing the one that will be playing the three? Because When LeBron goes, I look at Kevin Durant going as well. So who would be that next three that will be on the floor?

I still haven't figured that out just yet. I agree. Look, leave on a high note. That niggas won a gold medal, and it wasn't easy. It wasn't like they ran through the whole shit pause. Even though you weren't convincingly, niggas had to go in tears. Kevin Durant had to go in their tear a couple games.

Steph Curry had to go in their tear. to win that championship, that final game. So at the end of the day, look, do you want a gold medal? Imagine going about there and not winning it, and then you leave your career, because you know you're not playing in 30, 30, 20, 32. So I would say, yeah, that's just, you just forget about it. I do agree with Mace that stuff.

Kirby, he's a shooter. When you can shoot, you always go out of a job. I think me personally, and I'm not even being funny, I think Reggie Miller could be somebody eighth man off the bench today. Yeah. That's how good he still shoots. Ray Allen, too. Like, you don't even have to play the old game.

The niggas can shoot. But me personally, if I was there by agree with them, why even risk it when you went out on a high note? And not only that, you went out with your niggas. All these people are not, you know, not same age, but around the same age group. I remember Kobe went to the Olympics that year when they lost the Olympics prior to that.

And he's like, now I gotta come in here and show y'all niggas how to win an Olympic champion. And I remember watching the documentary and how far he was just like, look, I'm here to play ball. These niggas's playing games, LeBron and them Carmel. Niggas are here playing.

He's just on the bus, like, I'm really just here to save America. I'm done the same age group this, niggas, niggas, songs ain't matching up, niggas, playing games, you don't want to play, all for the sake of the country. And it's just, it'll be the same thing. But I think, you know, LeBron's more of a people,

stuff seems kind of office a little bit, but personalities matter too. I wouldn't play either. Yeah. So when y'all talked about this, it made me think of something, especially when Maurice said the phrase, father time. Because when LeBron and Steph decide to exit,

I think it'll be a very graceful exit, but something that I've noticed is that a lot of athletes really struggle, not even just athletes, coaches too, because to me, Bill Belichick is a whole situation itself, really struggle to kind of move on and go to that next phase. But Maurice, why do you? you think that is and then how should players coaches like just all the above kind of go about that transition i think a lot of it is out of habit you know you wake up and you do something

for you know 10 15 20 30 years uh and it becomes part of who you are what you do and and the familiarity and uh the exclusivity of it all i tell like this just being back you know at ohio state and they treat a commercial plane like a private jet you know when you you're getting sheltered and shepherd everywhere, and sweets are laid out for you, food is laid out for you, you got police escorts everywhere, and, you know, everything is first class, man, you know, it's hard to walk away from that. Then when you're a professional athlete and you make a 30, 40, 50 million dollars, you know, that's not normal money. I know people see athletes make that money, but it's not a lot of places you can go into the real world and do something where you're just entertaining people, be it playing basketball or doing something that you've been doing since a kid. and just making that sort of money. So I think all of that plays into it.

But, you know, like I say, transition is hard. You know, I mean, there's a lot. I mean, I'm pretty sure Mason Cam can talk about this themselves. I'm pretty sure there's rappers who can't get out of that phase. A state and space is too long. And so I just think it's tough for anybody. And so most people stay around just more out of feeling familiarity and habit more than anything. That's my opinion.

Yeah, that was a, that was a wonderful take. I'm just going to add another piece to it. I think another reason that makes it hard for people to move on is because they don't have a plan to move on. Sometimes when you don't see more than what you're doing, it becomes hard to make the next step. But the more you see the next move, it just becomes like a part of the flow.

It's like running a play where you pass the ball and you go through and you recognize that once he gets the ball, If he doesn't get that shot, I get this shot over here. Life is just like that. If you know the next move, then you can already position yourself for the future. And I always, I'm a firm believer that the future belongs to those that are prepared for it. I'm good. Okay.

And then with compensation being so heavy, and we've seen it across everywhere from NIL to even now the big league, do you think players now care about brand more than their legacy marie's yeah i would say i think more guys now care about their personal brand and i think a lot of it is driven through social media making like the platform for you to advertise and to you know project to the world what it is that you want to project to them which um i don't have another word for but sort of makes you mildly narcissistic and worrying about yourself more than what your legacies worth. And I think that the compensation is so heavy these days that I just think that a lot of kids care more about, you know, what's in it for me versus how will I be remembered.

And I just think that money contributes to that. And I don't think that you'll ever go back the other way because, you know, as we move on, compensation and money only increases. And so whatever athletes have got now, we will only get more. same thing I think across the board with every industry. Yeah, I think it's very interesting that you would say that because I think the bigger the legacy, the bigger the money. I think sometimes people focus on the money, but if you're great at anything you're doing, the money is going to follow. If you're great at boxing, you're great at sport, any sport there is. If you dominate

that sport, money is coming your way. It's just inevitable if you're great at what you do now i understand the focus of of wanting the money but i think when you when you really have exercised greatness or dominance at what you do every single time to every single person that money presents itself some way somehow even if you didn't get it in this lifetime just i'm in a lifetime of you playing just like jordan he ended up getting it in sneakers or something else it just always makes it way How do you phrase the question instead? Yeah, do you think players now care more about brand

and then like money and all those things rather than their actual legacy? That's a great question because niggas, like, I'm like me, right? Just saying what a younger can. They're gonna tell you, like, nigga tell you yo, if you do it this way, In the next five years, you can make $10 million.

But if you do it this way, you got a million, you can figure it out. 20-old Kim, say, give me the million, let me figure it out. I can't, I can't depend on what's gonna happen in the next seven, eight years. I might not be here, nigga. That would have been my mentality at 20 years old. Now would have been the right mentality?

Absolutely not. That wouldn't have been the right mentality. But I'm telling you what a 20-year-old Monstate is thinking. That's what you think. Yeah, if I got, you got a million now, you're talking about, just hold on, we're going to give you 50,000 now, but guarantee you're going to get 10 million over in the next. I'm telling you now, 20-year-old niggins taking the million right now.

So when you say legacy over NIL or whatever it is, I can't get mad at a nigger taking the NIL because they can be like, You don't think of all the excuses to me. I could get hurt. Yo, anything can happen. You can get a shot. Yeah, I might be in a car. You're going to make up every excuse not to care about the legacy

because the money's in your face pause right now. Does it make it right? No, because at the end of the day, you're not thinking, when you're 21 or 22, the average 21, 22 year old is not thinking about being 30. Look, when you're 20, you're not thinking about 25. When you're 25, you're like, I got time

until I'm 30. Then you're 30, you're like, I'm not, I'm not, I just turn 30, but you start panic when you're 30, especially you ain't got no kids. Like, oh my God, I'm 30, I don't have any kids. Then you turn 35, be like, oh my God, I'm almost 40. Like, yo, shit goes like that. So my point is, when you're that young and you're in the mixed sport athlete entertainer, a million in front of you,

or you get $10 million when you're 30. Think about this, right? This is a great example. And I wrap it up my statement with this. And it's almost time for him. Whatever kind of deal it was, shout out to Allen Overson. I just see him another day with Ray.

He was supposed to get $50 million when he turned 55 or some shit like that. Yeah. Yep. And what is he now? 51? 50. He's 50 now. He's gonna be 51 next year.

Yeah. I don't know if I could have did that to you. But look, it's almost here. It's almost here. That's my brother, I'm just saying, imagine when you, because you know why? You're not budgeting your money when you're young like that.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You're not budget. It's gonna be forever. This is gonna be forever. I'm always get it. But they gave him a safety net. 55 look man we know you might fuck this up the money not saying he is but we're gonna give

you net we're gonna give you 50 million you turn 55 yeah now imagine when you're 48 you like seven more years you know yeah like she got to hurry up so I don't know if I could have did that deal but I know one thing for sure God willing stay healthy stay press when he turned 55 it's gonna be an exciting year for him bro Yeah. That's a really hard thing. Yeah. And that's really good that you said that, Killer, because I think when it comes to even like

artists, if we didn't feel that way, I know I wouldn't assign the deal I signed. I needed the money right now. You don't got time to think about tomorrow. Who knows what tomorrow will. Yeah. You have to think about your mind state at that age. I definitely understand. Like, and when she's asking the question, you have to think about the age, not a mature Mesa

Cam or Maurice, you're thinking about a nigger 20 years old. And imagine a nigga be like, listen, listen, think about this, Moe, because you, you know, you was wild too, or not just while we all grew up in urban society to where, imagine a nigga like right now, like, and then they, none of us, none of us niggas who've done shit in life where a nigga made, we may, got an ear to a young nigga,

like Mace may be able to talk to the nigger, you may be able to talk to that. Imagine a nigger from your block to den, make him talk about, young fellow, you put in your legacy estate. You know, legacy, nigger. You kinda, you're talking, you kinda curse me. Oh, fuck like the word is legacy.

You got 10,000 right now. The word legacy don't even register with a 20 year old, my nigger. Y'all, I'm trying to make a legacy out here. That word ain't on a plate in 20 years old, 21 years old. Yeah, nobody's definitely thinking. Larry, you want to ask something? No, I was just saying, like,

Is it okay for him to leverage that money now? Like, if you know AI got $30 million coming right now, would you let him borrow $250? You know he got the money coming. You're asking me? Yeah, I'm saying, could you loan him against him? Even, I know he's still going to wait until he's 55, but if you know he got some brand coming,

you wouldn't loan him no money ahead of time, knowing he got that coming or no? And with some interest on there? And AI, my brother, look, you're asking from a personal camera opinion? If he needed some money, yeah. But if you're talking about it was an investment. I'm just saying, yeah, for him, I know.

Anything can happen, Larry. No, not for me. That money could already be owed to somebody, man. It's a dangerous world out here, man. I'm saying, we got a good investment overall. I mean, you know what I'm saying? I get what you're saying, but it has to, it's not a guarantee. Yeah, you could owe that money before you get it.

Yeah. We're in a real world, Larry. And AI, if you need it, if you ever need it, I ain't got 50 million to lend you, but if you ever need it, son, that's my brother. I'm just talking about from my outsider as an investment, I wouldn't invest in that. Yeah, I remember when I was, what you call it,

when I first stopped doing music, I went to Atlanta Hague's game, they was playing the Sixers, and AI just ran out the locker room. It was like, yo, if you need anything, bro, I got you. That was really real, so shout out the AI. Yeah, and shout out the AI. that nigga put us in his Hall of Fame speech.

We ain't never gonna be in the Hall of Fame of Basketball. For a nigga, when he has his Hall of Fame speech and he say me and murder name along with other artists, including Michael Jackson. It's a big deal, man, so I love it. I just see me, I like it at the Breakfast Club, so that's my bro. I really love that dick, that's dope. And then we're gonna end on this, no,

especially because, Cam, you brought up 20-year-old mindset. What are you thinking then versus now? What's the biggest myth about success that y'all think young people should stop being told marries oh i got a good one go ahead maw pause the biggest myth that about success oh the million we came in mind that uh money solves all your problems i think that um that's a that's a large misconception that people believe once you have money uh that all problems solve um no pun intended but more money more problems have a different set of problems um but you know more money does not solve all issues so i think

that that's a common misconception that people think once they get money and have success that problems go away more did you just did you just do the cat sound was that you a stat before you started talking i don't know man bro i don't know i was just thinking i don't know oh that was crazy yeah that was that was to you. I didn't know. We live in a different world these days. I don't know. Kill him, I didn't hear him. Yeah. He neither. He know what he did. It was something he, you know how the, you know how the girls go, something he did. I don't know. Listen, listen, um, we're gonna stay on on course. Hey, man. I was just looking around like, stop what you do? What you doing but it was moe but listen to this one thing i would like people to stop telling this generation

is that if you don't quit you're gonna make it because i know a lot of niggas that are standing around right now that didn't quit and they didn't make it do you know anybody like that killer the niggas are still out there like a niggie got a demo tape at 51 you need to quit bro let me tell you if nobody else told you get a job your wife need you to get a job she needs you to have a full 1K

she needs you to have insurance you know niggas is DJing don't got no dental we got to get a pension for the DJs bro I like that definitely because I love what DJs have done for the game and what

they've done for a lot of us as artists But when you see them older in life, they don't have a lot of things they should have. So somebody got to tell them. And you know what? When it's shit like that, they'll get mad at you for telling them to quick because I tell niggas. I tell them, they're like, y'all, it's not going to work out.

And then they get mad at me. I just talked about this on my show, Murder, just say. What you just said? Like, but not as broad, more narrow. And I don't want nobody to get offended because maybe they didn't see it on Talk with Fleet and they'll see it now. But on the last episode, not the last episode,

where we used with Max Reed, the previous episode, is when niggas come up to you and want you to put them on and be like, but I'm from Harlem. And you're like, yo, bro, I hate that. I hate that, because that don't mean you good because you're from Harlem. Because you're from Harlem. You gotta be good.

And then niggas be just become rappers out the blue and be like, yo, I'm rapping now. Put me on. Like that's, and to be honest, that's how sometime you miss out on talent too. Yeah. You know, I miss out on talent because I didn't see them put in the work to me and Mace Mayor put in it, and that's okay. I'm not the Wizard of Oz

that's gonna catch everything from Harlem, but sometime it's not good. What I said is this murder on the show is that When you're from Harlem and you're good, I don't know if you've seen my take, ontographily, I said it was a time when Harlem thought we had a jinx. So you see everybody from Long Island getting on,

EPMD, Rundee, I mean, EPMD, Y. Yeah, like in Bismarck and Brooklyn, you have Big Dai Cane and Queens, LL, C, and Run DMC, and all these people. And then Staten Island, you got Woottenham. And we just got the jinks on us, man. Nobody been on since Kumodee and Dougie Fresh. and everything, and I gave you your props. I was like, murder broke the curse.

Because we used to sit around the press. We always sit around, like, ain't nobody from Harlem ever gonna make it out of here. And so what I said all that to say this, when you're hot and you're from Harlem, the barrel will let you know. Even niggas who don't fuck with you from other parts, I'm gonna be like,

yeah. They are a higig. Yeah, you gotta. That nigga be talking crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even if they turn it down when you come around, it's no denying. I remember now, this is a good story about Jim, right?

I remember Jim said, yeah, niggis was talking about hurting Mace, you know, because I was talking crazy. When you're on fire, the hood gonna let you know you're on fire. Yeah, they're gonna let you know, man. It's one thing about Harlem, because that thing, it's even this, they, you're not from their part-town, they're going to hate it, be like, nah, no, that nigga I'm going to reach out

because they did it. Let's see what's going on and see if I got an opportunity, man. But I thought both you guys had great, both of you guys had great takes. Read the questions so I can answer correctly, but both of you guys takes were absolutely phenomenal. Yeah, so what's the biggest myth about success

that people should stop telling young people? Oh, man, that's really a great question. I don't know if I have an answer. I think both of these guys answered it outstandingly. Like, I'll add on to this. This is what I'll say. I add on to Mo's answer. Don't think that money can solve everything.

It can't. It really can. It can't. What else? Don't let the misconception and they can not have into money. It's just going to be okay. Because you know what I don't like?

You know what I don't like? And I said this years ago, I probably said maybe every other year, when you see a nigger and they be like, yo, what's up? Yo, what's something? How you been? Surviving, man. I'm maintaining.

Yo, don't get me, don't put your depression on me. You know what I'm saying? Angry, because, because listen, man, and I'll use this phrase, you know, we grew up in Ohio, and I'm not disrespect to you know, like I said it's my second home. Chicago's a little more. We know Tampa's like that.

Mace can allude to this. It's not a lot of cities like New York or Chicago. I'll actually include Chicago. And the reason I'm saying this is because when you grow up in New York, they stack you on top of each other. They just stack you on top of each other. Like, how many, yo, Mo.

Let me give you an actual example. Let's say the projects in Youngtown Columbus, how many floors is in the projects? Two, three? You go, I'm just going, yeah, Youngstowns go like two or three at max. Right. New York is 17 buildings in one project and they all go to 30 floors. Yeah. They stack and they're atop each other.

So it's niggas that you don't like for no reason. You just mean not like a nigger faced in your building. Like, yeah, I'm tired of looking this nigger face for 12 years. And then he don't like you neither. So I'd be like, I got to get some money, get away from this nigger, face, pause, because it's bothering me. And they feel the same way about you. So I'm just saying, from growing up in that environment,

I always was like, yo, that's why even now I'll be out the way. I'll be like, yo, I was in the way for 20-7 years. Like, yo, we grew up around thousands of niggas. You go outside, I'm not exaggerating. Like I said, I know, I'll tell you this a lot. And I didn't even know Mace, but me, he's too young and even know each other, eight, nine years old. Stade outside, literally, I'm not exaggerating,

37 niggas every day on a corner at nine, 10 years old. Okay, a realistic number, 23 niggas, every day. And nine, and that's, and they were older. This is the environment you grow up with 100 niggas, 20 niggas on every block you go to, Not even exaggerating. 137th Street, 30 Knicks. 138th Street, 30-n-knit.

10039th Street, 30-n-niggins. I gotta get out of here. Yeah, that's true. I think any person that makes it out of New York is very special. I know that New York come with a lot of arrogance, all of us. But I think to make it out of New York, it takes a very special breed. Like, because there's some people I don't even fool with, but they made it out of New York.

I really believe there's something special about each one of them because the living, the living, the living quarters and the people you meet along the way, a lot had to go right for you to get a break and a lot had to go in a great way for you to be, to have major success. So I just tilt my hat to anybody that had success

out of New York. Right. And not even in the add-on, real quick, like, and I'm thanking God just realistically about my situation, but like, I can't even imagine sharing my toilet again with six niggas, seven niggas. He had one toilet with nine niggas in the house. I can't even imagine it today.

I remember I had to go take a bath and there was such a ring around the toilet, I mean, around the tub from my uncle coming from the gym. I'm like, I don't want to get in that tub. Yeah, for real. Like, thank you, God. Yeah, warming your water up and all of that. Yeah, she had to take a, to take,

because it was, you know, how water now you got to heat the water up and put the stop in the sink to take a bird bath. Yeah. Yeah. Great conversation, y'all. Well, that is all the time that we have for today. Maurice, you know, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. European mold.

My man. You're old mold. I'm waiting on my tree, man. I'm waiting on the tree. All right? Yeah, Mo, the tree will be there. You don't have to worry about the tree. The tree will be vibrant.

It'd be a great palm tree. And people will look at you, and every time they say, Mo, I like that tree. I want you to just say courtesy. Mo, the tree will be there same way you was waiting for Mesa on Game Day last year, nigga. It'll be right there. That was crazy.

I got more faith in what you talk about, Cam. do yeah man yeah thank you moe you know moat thank y'all for watching and as always it is what it is