IT IS WHAT IT IS - NBA DRAFT TAKEAWAYS: AMERICANS GOTTA STEP IT UP BECAUSE THE EUROS ARE TAKING OVER! | S4 EP49

Episode Date: September 14, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:00 It's a reunion, hello y'all Uh I was selling crack on a private jet, I've been to hell and back But no confusion, it's a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Get murdered here, he counting money He said, can't man, the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches
Starting point is 00:00:16 Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga Black Benz's and white Vigas Now I'm out here and I'm looking for more chandeliers and light fixtures Nah, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is. This episode is sponsored by Underdog Fantasy. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states,
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Starting point is 00:01:00 What's good bro? Killer, what's good man? Say, what's going on? How are you this morning? Man, I hope this draft going to be better than yesterday. It was a hard day yesterday. Pause. What happened yesterday?
Starting point is 00:01:14 Man, what didn't happen, you know? It was one of those days. All right. Well, I don't know what the draft going to be. Hey, well. Yeah. let's get into it so the 2024 nba draft happened last night and the number one overall pick was zachary rasache to the atlanta hawks so before we get into more details of the draft what is you guys's just opinion on the first overall pick um i'm not as familiar with this guy. I've seen some pretty good highlights on him. I could see what they were checking for.
Starting point is 00:01:54 But Atlanta just has this history. And I know it's hard for me to separate Paul is him from Atlanta, but Atlanta always have this history of getting the wrong player. You know, just it goes so far back. I don't even other than when they traded Trey Young, they traded for Trey Young for Luca. That was the last thing that they did that I thought was crazy. And I think he will end up being a cool player, but I think this is another one of those situations that they're going to come back and super regret that the number two player is the one I think is the one as of today.
Starting point is 00:02:40 And anything could change, but I don't think they picked the right player. I don't know nothing about them NBA I don't ever underestimate these scouts I don't ever underestimate these NBA scouts GMs presidents
Starting point is 00:03:04 I think they have people in the right places around the world these NBA scouts, GMs, presidents. I think they have people in the right places around the world. And they do what they do. I remember we talked about it, obviously, maybe a few days ago or last week,
Starting point is 00:03:17 I don't remember when, about how everybody was mad at poor Zingas when Phil Jackson got poor Zingas. So I can't even sit here and tell you much about him. I ain't going to say and act like I know. But what I will say is that it's been great number one picks
Starting point is 00:03:32 and it's been flops, and we'll see what happens. I know this much, just two years in a row that somebody from France has been picked number one. And this is exactly what I was talking about the other day, how American basketball is, I don't want to say declining, but the rest of the world is definitely evolving and catching up to us if they haven't surpassed us already when it comes to basketball. But it's two years in a row that somebody from France is the number one pick. And he's another seven footer as well.
Starting point is 00:04:02 So congratulations to the Hawks. We have yet to see what happens, but if I could sit here and act like I tell you a bunch about this guy, I'd be lying to you. I don't know, but I guess we'll find out soon. Okay. And I know you started talking about your thoughts of just like international
Starting point is 00:04:16 players being a majority of a lot of this draft class. Mace, how do you feel about this surge of international players over? I think it's, I think it's great. I mean, when you're looking for the best player, you got to take the best player no matter where he's from. Like what Killer was saying, I think Killer had them mixed up.
Starting point is 00:04:36 The guy that should have went number one, I believe, is the one who is over seven feet. The guy that went number one is 6'9". Yeah. And the other guy, he's seven feet. The guy that went number one is 6'9". Yeah. And the other guy, he's seven feet, can handle the rock, shoot from three, play defense on both sides of the floor. But I think he didn't want to go to Atlanta. That's one of those things where people say, yo, don't pick me.
Starting point is 00:05:07 Atlanta. That was one of those things where people say, yo, don't pick me. So I think that played a part in it that he wasn't really wanting to be there and he preferred to be at Washington, D.C. You kind of don't want to plan for your organization that don't want to be there. But what was your question against that? Yeah. How do you feel about this surge of international players? Yeah. Like I said, I do you feel about this surge of international players? Yeah, like I said, I think you got to go wherever you got to go if you want to have the best team. Like Cam was talking about yesterday, how Petrovic came from another country, ended up being in Portland. They had to wait and get him from Portland to make him play in New Jersey.
Starting point is 00:05:41 So, I mean, at this point, wherever you can get him from, you see people even coming from in the, from the G league that, and this guy should pretty be good. He should be good. Even though he's going to Detroit, that's weird. But,
Starting point is 00:05:55 you know, you got to get the best player from wherever you can get them from at this point, because this is one of the first years for me that I didn't hear about many players in college. You know, like like their names wasn't popping out like it should at least been eight players that we all know that are out of this world. And I can't say we were able to name eight every time we talked about a player. It was because they were doing this or doing something off the fit you're getting the nails done um shooting in cars you know having guns
Starting point is 00:06:33 all type of things but basketball play not really so if you have to go to china at this point you got to go wherever you got to go to get that player. Yeah, it ain't really nothing new. Like I said, I think the last three, four years, you had at least two or three people. And I'm just going off the top of my head, there's been an all-NBA first team that isn't from America. Last year, there's four players that weren't from America. Jason Tatum was the only player from America that
Starting point is 00:07:06 Was first team as far as The players that went one and two I don't like I said, I'll be sitting here lying I didn't even know the nigga height obviously a liar and that can like I know but one thing for sure two things for certain if you nice and You get in the right situation. we're going to hear about you. Like I said, we ain't know who Porzingis was. He went and got numbers. We got a bunch of players like that who, if you're good enough, will end up hearing about you eventually.
Starting point is 00:07:35 And, you know, just thinking off the top of my head, we're talking about Derek White, somebody who's an NBA champion now. And I'm not saying he's a superstar, but he's a very important part of the piece of the Boston Celtics winning the championship. I believe he went to a D2 school if I'm not mistaken. So you'll hear about these people if they end up being the prospects that they're supposed to be. To me, bigger than anything that happened in the
Starting point is 00:07:58 draft yesterday and I want to give a big shout out and I'm not saying I'm back but big shout out to the New York Knicks about the re-sign OG and the Nobby. The Knicks are busting fucking moves. $212 million for, I believe, it's a four-file-year deal. Whatever the deal is,
Starting point is 00:08:14 I'll get you some more information when I look. I got it in my notes. But them niggas want to win now. You got Mikkel Bridges one day. The next day, you re-sign OG. You got Julius Randle coming back. We already seen the emergence of Jalen Rose.
Starting point is 00:08:30 Them niggas want to win now. And Leon Rose and World Wide West is pushing the fucking envelope. Right now, they're saying we can get Boston if we're healthy. And with this lineup that they're putting together so far, I'm not sure if they're going to be able to retain Mitchell Robertson or not. But shit, the Knicks are fucking busting moves in the last two days that don't have shit to do with the draft. I think these niggas is on it and they've seen the success of how much people were excited about it last year. And that was my biggest takeaway from yesterday, bigger than the draft to me. It's him re-signing OG because OG, when he wasn't hurt,
Starting point is 00:09:07 he was definitely a difference maker. He's an NBA champion, and they're going to have some great chemistry if they can figure it out with Julius Randle and Mikael Bridges. I'm very, very impressed with what the Knicks have been doing the last few days. Yeah, and in that draft, it definitely seemed like when we're talking about players in the States versus the international player, it definitely looked like the good players you have the shooter, but I'm not really familiar with him. But he ended up going number three, Reed.
Starting point is 00:09:52 Reed Shepard. Reed Shepard. And then you got Portland was crazy because it seemed like they're not satisfied with Aiton or the school because they drafted a point guard and a center. So they definitely plan on getting them two out of there, I guess. That was the real shocker for me. And then so after what we've seen, right, the players who were drafted into the NBA, what do you guys feel like is the more beneficial route for these players like G League,
Starting point is 00:10:26 college or playing on an international team? Because we've seen a big range from last night go to France I think the best thing to do if you're playing ball right now and go to France it seemed like they have a pause a pulse on on the talent that's that's coming up and um right now it doesn't seem like it's it's being spearheaded in the other place it seemed like every great player is coming out of out of France and is making the NBA league take players that seem to be good from France over a person that may be good from somewhere else because they're starting to look at it like this is where the talent is I mean Because they're starting to look at it like this is where the talent is.
Starting point is 00:11:07 I mean, you go back to even Wimby. Now this new guy that's coming up, they took like five people in the first 10 picks. That was crazy to me. Just the exact question? Yeah, what do you think is the more beneficial route for people getting the NBA G League, college, playing on an international team? For people in the G League? No, just like what do you think is the more beneficial route for people getting to the NBA G League, college, playing on an international team? For people in the G League? No, like just like what do you think? Which way?
Starting point is 00:11:29 Yeah. Which way from who? For just players looking to go to the league. So like what do you think is the better route for them? Because we've seen a lot of international players. Just can't pick up and move to France. Like it's not in everybody's budget. They don't have to connect to do that.
Starting point is 00:11:51 Look, as terrible as America is, go practice and bust Americans' ass. That's still the first option to bust niggas' ass in America. You know what I'm saying? And think about this, too. You got to realize they're building their skills up, and not just that, they're tall. You're looking at fucking Wimpy whoever however tall he is could handle could shoot the jump shot uh could dunk on you um all these different traits throwing back the dirt in the whiskey he could sit there
Starting point is 00:12:15 and shoot the open jump shot turn around one foot in the air etc uh go practice They have height and they have skills. As far as the way to get there, the way to get there is hard work and busting niggas' ass in the environment you want to try and get your name out there. What I believe is going on now in so many AAUs and these camps is so many mothers and fathers that think their kids are better than what they are
Starting point is 00:12:43 because now when you're at AAU, you could pay $500 for your son's highlight reel. When he made four shots, missed 17 shots, but you put the highlight reel together and it looked good. Now you think he's somebody when he shot four for 21. So I think that it's more focused on... That's a good point. It's more focused on internet social media
Starting point is 00:13:06 etc when it comes to American basketball that we're not really focused on
Starting point is 00:13:11 the actual hard work and dedication that it takes anymore not gonna sit here and throw
Starting point is 00:13:16 anybody under the bus that's working hard and having a dedication but it's nobody
Starting point is 00:13:21 standing out so as far as which way is the best route I have no idea what to tell out. So as far as which way is the best route, I have no idea what to tell you. I mean, as far as traditional, it's traditional now. What Mace is saying is, you know, because people are coming from France, that's the best route.
Starting point is 00:13:38 But everybody don't have the means to move to Jersey if you're from New York, you know. And not just that. Just because you go to France, that doesn't mean you're going to make it back to the NBA. Obviously,
Starting point is 00:13:50 them niggas is good over there. Yeah. You can go all the way back to Tony Parker. Tony Parker was a very good basketball player, Hall of Famer. Great point guard.
Starting point is 00:14:01 Going to where all the NBA players is, I'm not saying that's not a good route, but everybody doesn't have the means to get there and just because when you get there, think you're going to bust all the NBA players is, I'm not saying that's not a good route, but everybody doesn't have the means to get there. And just because when you get there, think you're going to bust people's ass and not, it's obviously they're here for a particular reason.
Starting point is 00:14:14 I don't have the answer to the question stat that you're asking because it's all type of ways to get to the NBA. We sat there and seen them, and I know this isn't the best example in the world right now because he's playing on the Wizards and they're terrible but Jordan Poole was in the G League
Starting point is 00:14:29 and when he was in the right situation around the right people before the shit happened with him he looked like one of them niggas. He looked like he was about to be one of them niggas. It's different ways to get in you know, Kevin Garnett, Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant, all high school players.
Starting point is 00:14:46 You got Carmelo Anthony. You got Zion. You got one and dones. You know, it's a lot of different ways. And trust me, what I say is, what I will say is this about the NBA. And they're not always right. I'm not talking about the NBA. I'm talking about GMs, coaches, front office staff, scouts, et cetera.
Starting point is 00:15:04 They're not always right. But trust me, they are outlooking. They're definitely outlooking. When I was at the Lakers Pro Day or Bronies Pro Day, or however you want to put it, because there's other people doing their workout for the Lakers on Bronies Pro Day, everybody was there. Pat Rowley was there. Pat was in the building.
Starting point is 00:15:25 You know what I'm saying? It was GMs from so many different teams. Elton Brand. Like I said, my man Jeff from Shaw. It was so many different people there that when you're good or supposed to be good, supposed to be somebody, that means Pat Riley, who's probably almost 80 years old,
Starting point is 00:15:39 gets on a flight from Miami to LA to come see you for an hour, hour and a half. They put their time and dedication in to try and get the best player for their organization. So I don't know the right answer, but when you're good and you're starting to get a name for yourself, they'll find you. Yeah, the reason why I said France is it seemed like that's where the talent is coming out of. They had over probably like five of the top lottery picks.
Starting point is 00:16:06 And the people that made this top five is seeming like the best thing for the NBA. And these are not even players that's going to make the French national team. So that said a lot that you got these players that they're one, two or 1-3, whatever picks they are, and they're not even on a national team, which means that the people that are just beginning in France is that much better than the people in the States. What I do want to say is, too, quick, Oklahoma City got this guy called Nikola Topic.
Starting point is 00:16:43 He's hurt. He hurt his ACL. Nasty point guard. Yeah. Now I've seen him play. Super nice. Reminds me kind of of a Drazen Petrovic left-handed, though. Nasty.
Starting point is 00:16:55 He probably won't play this year coming up because he's just coming off injury, and I don't know if OKC is going to keep him because they have SGA. And this kid, when he's healthy, looks like he needs to play now. So I will give him a shout-out when I see him get picked at, I believe, number 12, if I'm not mistaken. That kid, I seen him play on some highlights about a year ago. He's been a pro, I believe, since he was 16. Nasty, nasty.
Starting point is 00:17:23 So I'm looking forward to seeing him play but it probably won't be this year from Serbia. And that's probably why they moved what you call it to the Bulls
Starting point is 00:17:32 to get rid of one of the guards to create space for him in the backcourt. Okay. And then the last question concerning the draft. So then how did you guys
Starting point is 00:17:41 feel about the draft class so far? I feel like this class lacked a lot of excitement. Why do you think that is? And then how do you guys feel about the draft class so far I feel like this class lacked a lot of excitement why do you think that is and then how do you think that we can bring that back um hopefully this draft class will turn out to be better players because sometimes you have the real popular players but then they don't actually end up that good, but they come with all of the hype. One thing Killer said before about a poor Zingers or a lot of these players that don't have the name at first, like the guy he just named,
Starting point is 00:18:14 I wasn't really checking for him, but I know who he was talking about. And those are the type of players that make it because they're not about all the off-the-court stuff. They're about getting the shots up, playing the right way, working out every day, and really trying to be great at their craft. And I think that's more what people should be about because if you look at this draft on paper, there's a lot of talent here, but it's not people that we actually know yet unless you just really been studying basketball and you have a feel for it you're gonna lack without superstars when it comes to the draft i'm talking about and creating
Starting point is 00:18:56 excitement i was more excited to see the wmba draft because you knew who was in it you knew caitlin clark you knew angel reese you knew cameron brink you knew camilla you knew who was in it. You knew Caitlin Clark. You knew Angel Reese. You knew Cameron Brink. You knew Carmella. I just named more people in the WNBA draft off the top of my head than I know in the NBA draft. That's because they were creating superstars in the
Starting point is 00:19:17 NCAA's women division. And it created hype and it created rivalries and it became it created rivalries and it became, it created shit talking and it became bad guy versus good guy or bad woman versus bad woman,
Starting point is 00:19:31 good woman versus bad woman or black against white or whatever scenario you want to use. It was a hype that was created that translated into the WNBA draft.
Starting point is 00:19:43 And the thing about the WNBA draft, pardon me, draft, even into the WNBA draft. And the thing about the WNBA draft, for me, draft, even into the season, is so close. So you got the NCAA Championship Women's in April. Then in May, you have the draft.
Starting point is 00:19:59 Then in the end of May, you have the beginning of the season. So you got all this trickling back to back. You got Kaitlyn Clark on the cusp of winning her first NCAA championship, but you got undefeated Dawn Stanley saying, fuck that, that ain't happening. Oh, man, this is great for TV. Then you got Angel Reese. She got eliminated earlier
Starting point is 00:20:25 didn't make it back to the championship but she was the champion the year before that then two three weeks later you got the draft everybody's tuned in because you know that Caitlyn Clark is going one
Starting point is 00:20:38 you want to see what number Angel Reese is going you want to hear about Carmella's story knowing that she came from South America, didn't speak English, came and got her family
Starting point is 00:20:48 out to her. It's all these storylines that go along with this shit. Then it trickles into the season to where they're playing against each other and you got Caitlyn Clark not playing as well
Starting point is 00:21:01 as people think she should be playing. You got people, it's all these storylines. I can't, I don't know what's going on in this college basketball or this draft. I'm not even sitting here like I care about the draft. When y'all niggas get there,
Starting point is 00:21:16 if you start ringing bells, then we'll hear about you. That's just that. Like, you know, I sat there and watched the NCAA championship this year and didn't know nobody. I didn't know nobody. As good as Connecticut is, and I know they've been rocking two years in a row,
Starting point is 00:21:35 the most famous person on Connecticut is Danny Hurley. That's who I'll identify with when we're talking about Connecticut the last two years. And I'm not undermining you guys at all because to win two championships back-to-back for the players that were there for this two years That's a great feat, but they're not marketing you guys Very well to where I could be familiar with the guy's name So I don't know what to tell you book about how to hype it up or make us feel better But I'll tell you this much. When we knew about Zion
Starting point is 00:22:05 entering the draft, niggas was tuned in. We knew about John Morant entering that draft that same year, he was tuned in. When you heard about Wimby last year,
Starting point is 00:22:13 he was tuned in. When they have celebrities or stars that we're familiar with, and that doesn't mean it's going to translate on the NBA floor. The all-stars, the superstars,
Starting point is 00:22:22 pardon me, I should say, that they're creating have us intrigued and have us watching. If you're not one of these people that sit there and watch a college game in and out, you're not going to be too familiar. And I don't have the time to watch college every day when it's their 15, 20, 25 games a night trying to figure out who's going to be the man. 15, 20, 25 games a night trying to figure out who's going to be the man.
Starting point is 00:22:45 Secondly, when it comes to these overseas players, like I said, you'll hear a name and you might do some homework on them, but I don't know what time Serbia plays
Starting point is 00:22:53 the Ukraine. I don't fucking know. You know what I'm saying? So when they get over here and start making a name for themselves, then you get familiar. So I'm not downplaying
Starting point is 00:23:02 anybody who made it. I wish them all luck and congratulations. I've seen people who are emotional, crying, as you should. So I'm not downplaying anybody who made it. I wish them all luck and congratulations. I've seen people who are emotional, crying, as you should. All I'm saying is that you are not marketing yourself the way you should. And the reason I'm saying you is because that's the way college may feel. Okay, you got an I.L. You figure it out.
Starting point is 00:23:22 Yeah, that's exactly how they feel. They took the money. Yeah, you got the money. We used to promote y'all. Yeah, yeah. We figure it out. Yeah, that's exactly how they feel. You took the money. Yeah, you got the money. We used to promote y'all. Yeah, yeah. We wanted the budget. Yeah, yeah. We'd shower them out.
Starting point is 00:23:34 Exactly, exactly. You wanted to go independent. You ain't want the label. So now when nobody know you, you don't say nothing. Because you took $100, thousand from frisbee's cheerios whatever cheerio whatever cereal that is now because you thought that was gonna hold you down nobody knows you and i'm not saying that you're not good enough it's just that they're
Starting point is 00:23:55 not gonna want to market you the way that they used to market other players because they may feel all right yeah you took you took a million you took a hundred thousand you took fifty thousand you took five hundred bet spend it on yourself well i do also just want to say congratulations to round one of the draft class definitely looking forward to round two i think we all are so i'm definitely the only reason i'm watching round two is for brawny there's no other reason i'm watching round two i don't know who came up with this idea to make a second day. Right now, it's looking like the worst decision. I don't want to just rain on your parade.
Starting point is 00:24:33 Hopefully, tomorrow. I mean, today it'd be Sparks. But yesterday was crazy. I was just like, man, where's the second round? You know, normally you look and pause for the people who didn't get drafted. Like, they're about to come up and they're like, oh, where's the second round? You know, normally you look and pause for the people who didn't get drafted. Like, they're about to come up, and they're like, oh, it's over. It was weird in a sense. Yeah, well, and I'm not combating.
Starting point is 00:24:56 I'm just saying I'm not sure. You know, NFL is a two-, three-day event. Yeah. The WNBA shit was so successful that the NBA thought they had one and they didn't. Two things y'all need to work on is the draft and All-Star weekend. That's where y'all guys are slacking at tremendously. Like All-Star weekend is terrible compared to what it used to be. And the draft, if you don't have these, the most famous nigga I seen at the draft was
Starting point is 00:25:21 my nigga Rich Paul. He's sitting there cheesing with somebody and shit. I said, he must want to get paid. He was sitting at the table, at the family table, cheesing. I said, this nigga here, boy. That was the most famous nigga I seen at the draft, so. I will say, Clutch Sports is up. Okay.
Starting point is 00:25:43 They only had one Duke player in the first round. I said, yeah, it's a new day. Thanks. Okay. They only had one Duke player in the first round. I say, yeah, it's a new day. Okay. So also speaking of storylines, an interesting one. So according to his sources, Stephen A said Phoenix Suns want out of Kevin Durant and Houston would prefer a Devin Booker. But the Suns owner tweeted, NBA draft night is the best. Everyone is talking about the drama and storylines. Some are right and some are just wrong. My turn. Phoenix loves Kevin Durant and Kevin Durant loves Phoenix. And we are competing for a championship this year because we have the team to do it.
Starting point is 00:26:14 Gotta love draft night. Go Suns. So what do you guys think of first the contradicting storylines? Because Stephen A said something. Matt Ishba said something. There's different sources from different people. So how are we feeling about that? First of all, I know Stephen A, you know, would not make that up. He doesn't cross me as a guy that will make anything up. He's basically going to say what he's saying because he has a source
Starting point is 00:26:42 that's feeding him the information and when it comes to kevin durant i don't see i don't see why they would would not be looking in another direction because this team is not gonna win not and i'm not putting that on kevin durant but they definitely got to think of how to mix this team up because they have all players that need the basketball. And there's only one basketball. It would be different if they had a different style of team. So when I hear him say this, I'm definitely looking at it like there's some validity to what Stephen A is saying. I know that it's draft day, but we're trying to win.
Starting point is 00:27:24 Everybody in the West is getting better. And to think they're just going to come back with Book, with Katie, and Bradley Bill, I don't see it. I definitely don't see it. And I'll go on the record for it. I don't see it. Because there's certain things that I saw that you're not going to be able to fix that with one year. You got to change the morale of that team. Who said what?
Starting point is 00:27:55 Who said that Kevin Durant loves Phoenix and Phoenix loves Kevin Durant? Yeah, Matt Ishbaugh. And then Stephen A said that they want him out, basically. They said that Houston wanted Booker. Devin Booker. But they didn't want Kevin Durant. A said that they want him out, basically. They said that Houston wanted Booker, but they didn't want Kevin Durant. Who said that? Stephen A said that,
Starting point is 00:28:11 and then Ryan Windhorst had a quote too. I got to find that exact one. So they all three basically said different things. I can see Houston wanting Devin Booker. He say, she say. Mumbo jumbo, one, two, three. Listen. Look, like Mace said,
Starting point is 00:28:32 I don't see Stephen. Stephen ain't making up nothing. And... Yeah. I met the owner of Phoenix when I was there, the new owner. He's a pretty cool guy. I looked out when he was in the suite,
Starting point is 00:28:44 all of us, me, Mace, Isaiah. He's a cool cool guy. I looked out when he was in the suite, all of us, me, Mace, Isaiah. He's a cool dude. I don't know. I'm not going to say and call him a lion either. I don't know. But if you're an owner and you don't have a definite trade for Kevin Durant right now, you're going to say whatever it is. I love Kevin Durant.
Starting point is 00:29:01 Kevin Durant loves Phoenix. And that's exactly what you're going to say until something comes along the lines that makes sense for the owner. I'm not sure if Kevin Durant has a no trade clause in his contract or not. But the last thing you want to hear if you're a player or especially a Kevin Durant is trade rumors or somebody's not happy with you within an organization or anything negative because that lingers. not happy with you when you're in an organization
Starting point is 00:29:21 or anything negative because that lingers and then you have to come back next season and look at niggas all day. Then you want to talk to people. I remember, just giving one example
Starting point is 00:29:36 because it's probably a million, but Latrell Sprewell was so mad at James Dolan when he played for the Knicks. Every time he would score in the guard, he would point at James Dolan. I was kind of young. I wasn when he played for the Knicks. Every time he would score in the garden, he would point at James Dolan. I was kind of young.
Starting point is 00:29:47 I wasn't paying attention for his contract issues. If James Dolan said something, if they wanted to trade him or whatever. But think how crazy that is that every time you score, you look at your owner and say, yeah, nigga, yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:59 Fuck is you talking about? This is the owner of your team. Like, yo, this is the team. He owns the team. Why are you this is the owner of your team like yo this is the team he owns the team you're why are you yelling at the owner after every time you scored the basketball so i'm not saying kevin durant would do anything like about latrell spreewell i was doing at the time and real quick i'm gonna call carmelo anthony he didn't go as far as Latrell Sprewell, but he was saying, go ask James Dolan. I don't know. You don't want that lingering when you're with an organization.
Starting point is 00:30:32 So I think the owner of the Phoenix Suns said the right thing. And then I do agree with Mace. I don't think that Stephen A is making this up. But at the same time, if you're the owner and nothing's on the table, he said exactly what he was supposed to say. What's real and what's not real, I don't know. So let me ask all this. Do you guys think it would even make sense for the Suns
Starting point is 00:30:54 to look into trading Kevin Durant or Devin Booker? Does it make sense? No, but I could see them doing that i definitely could see them moving one of the pieces because it's it's unclear of whose team it is and and in order to to build a team you gotta have you gotta have some clear-cut answers on what direction we're going in. And it seemed like that's something that they struggle with. When even it was games we saw that Book would have like 40 and then Kevin Durant would have 32. Those were the games that they were like really winning. But the times when they were trying to figure out who's going to score
Starting point is 00:31:40 and who the ball is going to go to, Pauls, that's when they struggled as as a team and i'm i'm saying in a in a stack western conference um right now they're gonna need to make a move because bradley bill right now is a name when he come back healthy hope he's gonna ball but it's still every person on that team needs the ball. That's not, it's a ball dominant team. You're not going to win like that. You got to have some people that just spot up people that just run the plays
Starting point is 00:32:12 and get shots in the corner. And until they buy into that, that's, that's a hard sell. So they're definitely going to have to look forward to moving one of them. And it's sad because person that should have been moved will be Bradley Bill. Yeah, the way they looked in the playoffs last year, last season,
Starting point is 00:32:36 earlier this year, not just the playoffs, all year long, they didn't look good at all. And then getting swept in the playoffs did not help. I wanted it to work because it looked good on paper, but it just isn't working. I have no idea, even to the point where, and I'm happy he got the opportunity,
Starting point is 00:32:56 but even to the point where they brought in Isaiah Thomas as a 12th hour to play with them. You know what I'm saying? It's because they were trying to figure it out. And what I really believe is
Starting point is 00:33:08 going back to the owner and that's why I kind of lean with Stephen A. more than what the owner said but I think the owner said the right thing is that
Starting point is 00:33:17 y'all niggas was all here when I got here. I want to do my own thing. I want to put my team together. And I'm not sure if he knows how to do that or if he trusts his general manager to do it.
Starting point is 00:33:30 But it's not going to work as presently constructed because I don't see them being better than Denver. I don't see them being better than Utah. I mean, pardon me, not Utah, better than Minnesota after especially
Starting point is 00:33:45 the confidence that they gained that just passed. And a host of other teams that... OKC. OKC, Dallas. It's a host of other teams
Starting point is 00:33:54 that they're not better. And I'm just not saying that because they're very explosive on offense. But defense, that's where it's going to be slack in that. And I just don't see them beating about four or five teams in the East.
Starting point is 00:34:07 So I would hate to see them all get moved around because I don't, you know, when you don't have a no trade clause and you're as good as Devin Booker and you're as good as Kevin Durant, to end up with the Wizards tomorrow, what's up? You know what I'm saying? So I don't know exactly. I'll have to look up their contract and check it out. I'll make a phone call or two
Starting point is 00:34:30 and see if they have no trade clauses or not. But I don't see this team winning right now. And if you don't get rid of one of them, you have to bring not just one other person in too to make a run for the Western Conference Finals,
Starting point is 00:34:45 let alone a championship. Okay. With that, we're going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss Marcus Smart's comments about the Celtics. Can you tell us a little bit more about that? I mean, is there... I was selling crack on a private jet.
Starting point is 00:35:01 I don't get the shot, but dipsecateur, make sure you go online to dipsetcouture.us to order some shirts and everything else, buddy. So I'm going to get some cheeks after this, of course. And bikes, nigga. Black Benz's and white figures. Now I'm out here and I'm looking for more chandeliers and light fixtures. Now, I don't like niggas.
Starting point is 00:35:22 What's wrong with me? I'm a high nigga, but there's 44. Turn the mic to Jordan. I'm looking, say, take flight. Nigga. Welcome back. Now let's get into our Underdog Fantasy picks of the day.
Starting point is 00:35:32 So tonight, the Fever will play the Storm. Underdog Fantasy has Kaitlyn Clark at 17.5 points. Do you have her higher or lower, Mace? And the Storm? Um. Hmm. or lower Mace. And the Storm. I'm going to go higher.
Starting point is 00:35:50 It should be lower, but I'm going to go higher. Yeah, higher. Aaliyah Boston is at three and a half first quarter points. Do you have a higher or lower cam? Same, man. Impressive me.
Starting point is 00:36:01 I'm going to go lower. I'm going to go I'm gonna go high four points shout out Leah not too high but four points okay
Starting point is 00:36:11 and Jewel Lloyd is at four and a half rebounds do you have her high or lower mace the whole game yeah um
Starting point is 00:36:21 high higher download the underdog fantasy app and you can make your picks too so on a podcast Marcus Mart said the Celtics winning the NBA finals was bittersweet but he's proud of them he said it's definitely tough because I was in the trenches with them so
Starting point is 00:36:40 to not be able to finish what you started with those guys is definitely tough granted that he was just traded last year. What do you guys think of his comments? And what do you think would have happened if they didn't trade him? Mace first. I think they made the right move in bringing in Drew Holiday because he had championship experience sometime being in the trenches
Starting point is 00:37:06 with somebody who's won in the trenches is going to be different than somebody that you've just been in the trenches with. And not to sound harsh about it, but they made the right decisions. the right decisions. Coming down that stretch, playing against who they was playing with, Kyrie and Luka. If they had Marcus Smart there, I truly believe that Kyrie would have got off against Marcus Smart.
Starting point is 00:37:36 So they made the right choice. He would have had a field day with Smart. So they made the best decision they could possibly make. That's why they're champions. And shout out to Brad Stevens for having the guts to make that decision because so many people would say, why make that decision? He plays so hard. But sometimes you need more than pause or just a person that play hard.
Starting point is 00:38:02 You actually need to win. And that was a tough decision probably for him to make because he was such a fan favorite in the Boston community. But when he says that he's proud of them, proud is a word you use when you have something to do with it. And he didn't have anything to do with this championship. This championship was solely won like like we said in times past poor zingers won a game um tatum won a game white won a game
Starting point is 00:38:35 and and um jaylen brown have been there the whole time so that's what i see when i see this team but he he had a right to have a bittersweet moment because I know he's thinking like, man, what would it be like if I would have been there? And if he was there without White being there, then they would have won. But I think they truly needed Drew Holiday to be there. Yeah, man, it got to hurt because Marcus Smart smart been to a championship he's been to these
Starting point is 00:39:08 eastern conference finals that these are these guys has been to he's been on the cusp of winning just like they've been on the cusp of winning and the one year that he the first year actually that he leaves they actually went um i totally agree that Drew Holiday is an upgrade. Poor Zingas is an upgrade. But I'm not going to blame Marcus Smart for not winning the championship because it's been disarray in Boston as far as coaching is concerned the last couple years
Starting point is 00:39:40 and moving general managers around and so on and so forth. There was no cohesiveness. So as much as I like Marcus Smart I definitely think Drew Holiday is better but they've been right there with two coaches in the last two years switching GMs in the last two and a half three years and figuring it out trying to get some cohesiveness and he was just part of that uh them couple players they had to go for them to win it um when you when you're talking about Marcus Smart and Drew Holiday comparing them as players Drew Holiday is very skillful he's very strong very smart um very good on offense I think maybe a little better on defense to where Marcus Smart is good
Starting point is 00:40:26 but I believe a lot of his play is based off adrenaline diving on the floor coloring his hair green jumping around in the crowd being one of them bigger I was just about to say a bigger
Starting point is 00:40:40 maybe a better NBA offensive player than Patrick Beverly just by a little bit. But his play is off adrenaline. That's why he was a fan favorite in Boston. And you can see personality-wise, him and Drew Holiday is like night and day. Drew Holiday ain't doing none of that.
Starting point is 00:41:01 He ain't painting his head green. He ain't getting a job. He's not screaming. He's not yelling. I came to go to work, baby. I'm not doing none of that. He ain't painting his head green. He ain't getting a job. He's not screaming. He's not yelling. I came to go to work, baby. I'm not doing none of that. My game's going to speak for itself. So he didn't have to do none of that.
Starting point is 00:41:11 The actress not saying that Marcus Smart is not a great NBA player. I used to watch him at Oklahoma State. I actually thought he stayed in college a year longer than he should have when I used to watch him, actually. He went out his sophomore year, but he had an exceptional freshman year at Oklahoma State. Used to watch his games on ESPN. But I'm taking Drew Holiday, too, and I'm sorry that Marcus Smart missed the parade and everything else because you could tell he fucked with Boston.
Starting point is 00:41:42 But just to let you guys know, in Boston, and I'm not even going to say that Jalen Brown or Tatum is above it. Maybe so now because Brad Stevens is in office. But when Danny Ainge is there, anybody could go. Isaiah Thomas was that nigga.
Starting point is 00:42:02 Scored all the points. Cut them to the players. His sister died broke his hip still played did everything he could and said we can get Kyrie
Starting point is 00:42:10 we'll see you later so be careful up there if you're black I'm telling you that right now you're subject to go if they think that somebody is
Starting point is 00:42:18 better than you or could do better for the team and don't get me wrong everything's based upon the organization but sometimes people get so entrenched in the culture, and I like that,
Starting point is 00:42:28 that they don't realize that they're expendable. I wouldn't have been dying my hair green if I knew I was leading traded next year. I wouldn't have been playing with a broke hip right after my sister died, averaging 27 points on the cusp of $160 million contract, and then y'all just throw me out like garbage if I knew I was going to get traded the very same summer.
Starting point is 00:42:48 So be careful up there in Boston. Just telling you, if it don't look like it's going to go, they need championships. That's what Boston and the Lakers have been about since the NBA started. Okay. And then we're going to discuss Olympics real quick. So Athing Mo, the reigning 800 meter
Starting point is 00:43:06 gold medalist will miss the paris olympics because she tripped and fell during the trials you guys feel like it's unfair that she is unable to qualify or is that just the way things go if you the way she fell, it's like... Let me stick with the question. I think it's very unfortunate that she's not going to... Where is it at? Paris? Paris, yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:39 Yeah, it's very unfortunate that she's not going to Paris. But this is like from the track gods almost. Because when you look at this, it's like... but this is like from the track gods almost. Cause when, when you look at this is like, this is everything they teach you in the basics, like how to run, stay in your lane, just different things that they tell you. And I noticed from watching little kids trying to train at these things is that
Starting point is 00:44:01 those are like the very basics. So, so looking at that, I know that has to hurt because it wasn't a speed. It wasn't a, uh, her form, you know, it was just a, um, a mistake that you can't get back. You can't get that back. You got to wait. And it's not, it's not like pro sports where you can get it back next year. You got to wait four years to get this shot again. So I know she had every right to walk off crying the way she did. But you could just see the joy of other people because they know if she didn't fall,
Starting point is 00:44:36 she was most likely going to beat them again. And it was just crazy. And shout out to her because when she was running, it looked like she didn't give up. She still tried to win the race, even though she couldn't win it. And I thought that said a lot about who she is as a person. So we look forward to seeing you in four years. And you got to stay disciplined and do it
Starting point is 00:45:02 because we see a bunch of young runners taking those spots. I didn't see the video. What happened? She tripped pretty hard. Yeah, she tripped in like the first half and then by the time they were already running out
Starting point is 00:45:15 way ahead of her and she couldn't catch up. And so basically, you had the, this was the qualified to go to Olympics. Yeah. And this was hard
Starting point is 00:45:23 against some other Americans. Yeah. The trials. People that normally don't beat you. Just imagine niggas who normally don't beat you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:32 The whole thing about it is I don't know how it works exactly when it comes to the Olympics. And if you have, if this is mandatory that you have to participate in this
Starting point is 00:45:43 and et cetera, et cetera. I'm not sure how track and field works, but if she was that good, they would have figured it out. I don't know. Like I said, I don't know the rules. I don't know if you trip
Starting point is 00:46:02 and you can't make it a stand better when you're good. We can't go without her. There it is. Somebody tripped. It would have been a whole bunch of, yo, her shoes was untied. Yo, they switched the soles.
Starting point is 00:46:15 When you that good, they will find an excuse for you to be in parish, yo. So no disrespect to Shorty. Like I said, from what Mason's stats tell me, it sounds horrific. Like you say, you gotta wait four years and it sounds like he was crying, etc. But just to let you know
Starting point is 00:46:33 they would have made every excuse in the world for you. She was that good. She won the gold before. Then they need to change the rules. Why wouldn't you take somebody that won the gold back to the Olympics unless they feel like
Starting point is 00:46:49 she's not that good for this Olympics? You got to realize, how old is the girl? I'm not saying... She's 22. Oh, no. She's a perfect age. Then they need to change the rules.
Starting point is 00:46:59 Yeah, she was 19 when she won the gold. 22, 20. 22 is prime. Maybe because she's from Trenton, Ket. No, no. 22 is proud. Maybe because she's from Trenton, Killa. Nah, nah. Now that I got a little more backstory,
Starting point is 00:47:12 because it isn't like you're 30 or 34 or something like that. This is fucked up. If she won a gold medal at 19 and she's only 22, y'all need to change the rules. Because 22, that means she's even stronger. Yeah, she was going to smoke them if she didn't fall. Yeah, they're going to troll her. She was. she was going to smoke them if she didn't fall. Yeah, they're going to troll her. She was. She was going to smoke them if she didn't fall.
Starting point is 00:47:29 Somebody threw some shit out there. I don't know what happened, but I know one thing for sure. If you're the Olympic committee, I'm just thinking about rational sense, trying to win a gold medal for your country. Why does a gold medalist have to come to tryouts? You know what I'm trying to win a gold medal for your country. Why does a gold medalist have to come to tryouts? You know what I'm trying to say is... You got to qualify.
Starting point is 00:47:52 Why would you got to qualify if I want to go? Like, yo, it's like Braun and them got to go to tryouts for the Olympics. It don't make no sense. Like I said, I'm sitting here learning this as we're talking about it. This just makes absolutely no sense. Like I said, I don't, I'm sitting here learning this as we're talking about it. This just makes absolutely no sense. Imagine, imagine LeBron,
Starting point is 00:48:09 Steph Curry, Anthony, whoever that's on the Olympic team talking about, yo, you got to go to tryouts and Fred Van Vliet is there. No disrespect to Fred.
Starting point is 00:48:20 For sure. You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, Ant-Man yo Ant-Man Ant-Man Mr. Buzzer Beater so Fred Van Vliet is taking his spot
Starting point is 00:48:30 now no disrespect to Fred he's a good player clutch and all that shout out to Fred but I'm just saying to me I'm just trying to
Starting point is 00:48:37 make it make sense for me for Cam because I just don't get a gold medalist having to qualify for next year's pardon me the Olympics, which is in four years.
Starting point is 00:48:49 She didn't qualify by winning the gold already. Yeah. It may be something with the shoes, Killer, because I think it was three years ago or something, the girl who actually won fell the last time. So they just swapped places. so it was like you wasn't you wasn't crying for me so i'm not crying for you yeah that's crazy i mean now that i got some more information i really i felt really really bad because i know sometimes you're a gold medalist and you win when you're 28 and you're not the same. You're not as fast when you're 32. You know, tennis players, they start falling off.
Starting point is 00:49:31 When it's a one-on-one sport and you don't have team help, you start seeing the decline in the early 30s. You know what I'm saying? So now that I find out she's 22, y'all got to change it up, America. Y'all got to figure this out because I would be pissed off if I'm an Olympic coach for America and I'm not taking my gold medalist from last time we won back with me. Yeah. I'm sorry this happened to you. I definitely want to see the sneakers because this is like the same thing, not the same thing, but similar things happen to two people on the same team.
Starting point is 00:50:03 Similar things happen to two people on the same team. It's crazy to think. But it also shows just how ruthless it is. And then last thing before we move on to the next subject. So her coach said, I've coached it. I've preached it. I've watched it. And here's another indication that regardless of how good we are,
Starting point is 00:50:21 we can leave some better athletes home than other countries have. It's part of our American way. And then her team also submitted an appeal, but it was denied. Yeah, because you know, when you're practicing track and field, just like anything else, the form matters, like how you start.
Starting point is 00:50:35 So, you know, I mean, Kayla, you know this, like growing up, the coach telling you a certain way to do stuff and you just think you're so good, you don't have to do it. And then you out there and and you trip then it's like we went over this a thousand times it's hard to it's it's hard to to sympathize with you when you know we was drilling this all day and people laughing behind the coach face yeah get down ready set he's laughing and then get in front
Starting point is 00:51:09 of the big stage and fall it's like man yeah and that's kind of to what i'm alluding to yeah it's like yo me and rich parker got caught cheating at the reservoir not doing what we're supposed to do we still started yeah you're right that's what we're supposed to do. We still started. Yeah, you're right. That's what I'm trying to figure out exactly. How does this work? Because if you're good, they'll figure it out.
Starting point is 00:51:37 I got caught cheating right-handed not doing what I was supposed to do. I was caught right-handed like this. What are you doing, nigga? That ain't stop me from not starting. That ain't stop me from... And the other nigga was cheating with me. We both started whenever we was eligible.
Starting point is 00:51:56 So at the end of the day, I'm trying to figure out why don't they have these rules for the good players? I don't understand how it works in track and field. I like your idea about when you're a gold medalist, you should not have to qualify. I'm already qualified.
Starting point is 00:52:10 No, I get it, Murda, but I get not qualifying because you still got to make sure you ain't bullshitting. It's a four-year gap, but tripping and falling is tough, bro. And like you said, you alluded to something that I wasn't thinking about you might have been
Starting point is 00:52:26 running around a little cocky man yeah you might have you ain't gotta do the technique and all that yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:52:32 don't sweat the technique yeah you might have been sprinting in practice and you so far as you start backpedaling looking at people like yo I don't know
Starting point is 00:52:40 but when Mace just said that it made me think about it like that's what you get i'm not saying this happened but yeah you know that's one of them she's acting like she is all that this down the third and i'm not saying none of this happens it's all speculation but i don't i don't get it because if i'm the coach i'm gonna sit i'm just saying me if i'm the coach and one of my best runners fell to qualify.
Starting point is 00:53:06 I'm almost like a dirty cot plant and shit at the crime scene, sprinkling crack on the floor, placing the gun under the car seat. Baby, are you on the track? Yeah, like, yo, nah, I'm starving. My feet, nah, we got to do a do-over right here. They didn't do what they're supposed to do. I'm looking for anything if you're that good. But what Stat just said, the comments of what Stat said,
Starting point is 00:53:31 it's like the coach is already capping a plate from the statement she read. It's one of them, just in case they don't win. We got, you know, that's what's good about our system. We got players that's better than so-and-so, you know, that's what's good about our system. We got players that's better than so-and-so, so-and-so that we're leaving at home, that other countries are bringing their best. No, if China win, don't start that shit. Don't start that shit.
Starting point is 00:53:58 If Cameroon win, do not start that. But we love players at home. Nope, nope, nope, nope. Because I tell you now, if Cameroon, best player tripped and fell, they're going to figure it out. They got to take the best over there. We're not going to sit here and do that. So that statement she just said, I understand that she's supporting her team
Starting point is 00:54:19 and saying that the system of the United States women's track and field is bigger than any player. That's kind of what she's saying. But she's at the same time saying, and if we lose, just keep in mind some of our best players are at home. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, shorty. You're going out there with what you got, miss. And if you lose, we don't want to hear that. And I think that's why it was hard for them to really feel sad for her
Starting point is 00:54:48 because the person she went instead of last time is the person who's going instead of her this time. And they both had the same debacle, just fell on the track. Yeah, listen, I didn't know about that until you mentioned it, but at the same time, from what I'm gathering is both of them couldn't have went. Only one or the other.
Starting point is 00:55:18 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So if I fell and you was like, yo, you get him next time, murder. And then you fall, what I'm supposed, yo, you get him next time, murder. And then you fall, what I'm supposed to say, you get him next time. The reason I'm not, I'm processing this as both. Like I said, I haven't done any homework on this. So I'm processing everything you guys are telling me at one time. Because, you know, when I'm thinking of track and field,
Starting point is 00:55:41 there's so many different track and field. There's 400, 800s the shit where you pass the stick pause to the next person the relay so I'm like I'm thinking why they both can't go so that's what I'm saying I'm like it's four joints on the relay
Starting point is 00:55:57 why both of them can't go but if it's just one or the other yeah because 800 meters is just one race so like that's the U.S. representative basically. So like. But are they going to be out there for the relay together?
Starting point is 00:56:10 Well, I don't think they're, I don't think it's an 800 meter relay. I think it's literally just. No, but what I'm saying is this. Because you're an 800. Can she go on another, like is she a part of the other track and field?
Starting point is 00:56:20 No. Oh yeah, no. No, this is it. Like trials for different. This is a trial for this. So she'll have to qualify. The 800 meter, the Oh, yeah, no. No, this is it. Like, trials for different. This is your trial for this, so she'll have to qualify. Like, the 800 meter, the relay,
Starting point is 00:56:27 the 100 meter. Like, that's why Sha'Carri's going. Like, they have the different representative for each. So, like, once you're in your field,
Starting point is 00:56:34 if you mess up, that's that. But that's what I'm trying to say. Yeah. And I'm just asking. I'm not, I'm asking. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:40 If you do 800, why you can't do the relay? It's like, I'm pretty, I'm not sure, but that wouldn't be beyond comprehension. Yeah, they'll qualify. But that's what I'm saying. Why can't they try out for both? Not saying these girls that we're talking about, I'm just saying in general. In general, yeah. Because I'm good at the 800, I'm also good at the relay.
Starting point is 00:56:59 The way, yo, I did the 800, the way I go for relay, that's me. Yeah. Yeah, that's when you are super active. Yeah, like yo. That ain't, that that's me. Yeah, that's when you're a super athlete. That ain't them. I know what you're saying. That's what I'm saying. With Jagger joining us, she's going to do a few things. I played midgets, juniors, seniors, unlimited.
Starting point is 00:57:16 I played three, four games a day. Because I'm saying, I thought I was that good to play every division since 14 years old or whatever. That's what I'm asking. I don't know. The answer is that if you do 800, 400, that don't mean you could be in the relay. Because when you, I'm watching tennis, it's totally two different things. You could.
Starting point is 00:57:34 You just would have to be super gifted. Okay. Like, what was the lady, the last lady I remember? It would start with an M. She tested positive for the, what's her name? I'll get it next. Marion Jones? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:52 Oh, yeah, Marion Jones. Yeah, she was doing a few things. That's when you're a super athlete. That's not what they were. And apparently neither was she because she was cheating like a motherfucker on steroids and all that type of shit. I seen the special though, huh? I seen the doc.
Starting point is 00:58:11 She was cheating like a motherfucker. She was fast though. Yeah? I bet she was. Yeah. And then from what I'm reading and I'll have to do more research,
Starting point is 00:58:21 they can do the different sports but not the same event. So they can't do different things within track so I guess but like why is still the question on the table because it is unfortunate for her and even like there's no protocol because if she does trip and fall are people going to start using that to their advantage like okay let me trip so like we can read like because you can't do that so I don't even know how they would fix it yeah they make sure that you don't try to double back on that so if you if you're playing sick just know we don't care we're going with who's the best on this day facts ruthless okay and then last thing we before we wrap so boxing legend roy jones jr announced the tragic death of his son he said unfortunately my son deandre
Starting point is 00:59:04 took his own life on Saturday. I'm so thankful that God allowed me to come home Friday night to spend the last night of his life with me and the family. I know a lot of people are going through tough times right now, but nothing is worth taking your own life. So first off, rest in peace to his son. That is a very unfortunate and tragic event. But what did you guys think when you heard the news? Um, yeah, shout out to Roy Jones and the entire Jones family. Um, just prayers go up, go up for Roy Jones and his entire family. Um, cause mental, mental, mental health is, Um, cause mental, mental, mental health is, is really serious and it seems like it's becoming more serious. I don't know if it's the food or, or something that's going on, but it just seemed that, you know, human beings are way more fragile. We're becoming more vulnerable in speech, but something has definitely changed.
Starting point is 01:00:04 And like I said, his prayers for him and his family. Vulnerable in speech, but something has definitely changed. And like I said, prayers for him and his family. And one thing I learned from even just reading this just now is that to pay a lot of attention to people that have a different pause threshold than I have. You know, sometimes you think something is easy for you, but that doesn't mean that it's easy for that person. You know what I'm saying? And I think that's what I could take from this. Not saying that this is Roy or his son, but that's what I'm learning by listening to what Roy said,
Starting point is 01:00:47 is that we got to take serious precaution to how people are feeling and how they're hearing things in this generation yes um big shout out to Roy Jones my condolences to Roy Jones and the Jones family you know he's a friend and family of the show obviously and we appreciate his time for being up here a couple times that he has been up here um really sad uh happy for him that he got to spend the last day with his son because it would have been even worse if he didn't see his son for a time period and so on and so forth but that just goes to show that we don't know what anybody's dealing with because i'm pretty sure uh if roy sent something i'm just guessing i'm not i don't know i'm just i'm i only won't put myself in that situation i can imagine what he's going through but you have to think
Starting point is 01:01:41 about it like if he spent his last day with him did he see something did he feel something wasn't right was something happening because if he did he probably would have stayed with him and wouldn't have left him or even went to sleep would have been watching him but sometimes the signs aren't there and everything seems like it's okay and it may not necessarily be okay people put on and like i and like I said, this is totally off of Roy. Sometimes people are putting on a facade and be the unhappiest they ever been in their entire life. So,
Starting point is 01:02:12 sometimes you are paying attention. Sometimes you are talking to your loved ones and family and friends or whoever. And you just don't know what they're going through. And that's why, even with anybody I love or care about, especially younger than me, I try to talk to them. Yo, you good? Yeah, I'm good.
Starting point is 01:02:30 Nah, nah, niggas, you real good. I try and get in deep and talk to them just to make sure because I know somebody actually who had two people commit suicide in their life in the last five, six years. And imagine walking into that, you know, walking in your house to that. And that shit right there got to hurt, you know what I'm saying? So I know a lot of people are probably paying attention as much as they can or somebody tells you that they're good and not good because i don't even have an answer because you could be asking the
Starting point is 01:03:09 questions you could be having the conversations you could be doing as much as you can and then that opening up to you and that's why even though we play a lot of different games up here when it comes to gen z and baby boomers and so on and so forth. But people are different or raised in different areas and have different resilience for different things to where some people can't understand why you're mad at something that they're not mad at or they're mad at something that you're not mad at because it's different times and different areas. And that's why you have to learn to talk to people differently because what may be accepted for you when you was young may not be accepted for them today.
Starting point is 01:03:47 You sit there, and I know you kids probably don't know, if it was a show like All in the Family where Archie Bunker came on the day, they might have killed Archie Bunker in the street when they seen all the racist shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know, the Jeffersons growing up,
Starting point is 01:04:03 it was really racial. It's a lot of even tv shows children children i'm talking about racial shit sanford and son uh good times them shows i mean they show repeats but all the family was one of the most racial white men being racial against black people ever and we laughed at it where today it would be a fucking picket sign outside they would cancel it they would cancel it yeah
Starting point is 01:04:28 you know and looking back on it it was harsh I look at it now sometimes I'm like that shit I'm a little mad I was young
Starting point is 01:04:35 but that shit was really harsh and when you don't have communication and it's an age gap and you don't try to meet in the middle sometimes the younger person can't really take it you know what I'm saying so communication and it's an age gap and you don't try to meet in the middle,
Starting point is 01:04:48 sometimes the younger person can't really take it. You know what I'm saying? So you got to think about that. And then I'm not saying Roy Jones, I'm not using him as an example for the last thing I'm about to say. Sometimes growing up underneath a superstar athlete or a superstar rapper or a superstar whatever is not the easiest thing to do. That's why a lot of people will keep their children sheltered because they don't want them dealing with the stuff that they had to go through. So sometimes, as much as we, and I'm not throwing them out there, as much as we watch Stephen A everywhere, he talks about his daughter's old time. I never seen him. He ain't seen him nowhere because he doesn't want them
Starting point is 01:05:28 to probably deal with the scrutiny that he has to deal with all the time. And it's not the easiest thing growing up. We have to think about this. Like I said, last thing. Imagine, you know,
Starting point is 01:05:40 we know about Michael Jordan's son more for fucking with Scottie Pippen's ex-wife than we know about him trying to play basketball. Imagine the scrutiny he had to grow up in may not have been that good. Talking about, you Mike's son, nah, you adopted.
Starting point is 01:05:56 You can't be that, not this good, and you Mike's son. The pressure. Yeah, that is a lot of pressure. And then if you're not mentally stable for that, that shit could break you eventually like right now as much as we
Starting point is 01:06:08 joke on the show and play games and everything else and I give Bronny James a lot of credit this man went through
Starting point is 01:06:15 a cardiac arrest supposed to go to well he did go to USC he didn't have to yeah he's supposed to and he's like oh he only averaged five points
Starting point is 01:06:23 I'm not talking about us I'm just saying in general. You know, he just didn't, this man went through a cardiac arrest. You always have to deal with LeBron James,
Starting point is 01:06:31 the greatest player that certain people's eyes as your father. Damn, you're not as tall as him. You don't shoot as good as him. This, that, and the third. The man's trying to live his dream
Starting point is 01:06:39 and I'm not saying LeBron's son, LeBron James, as your father ain't a motherfucking asset. Now, that's what we we not going to do. We not going to act like that's not an asset.
Starting point is 01:06:49 But think about the other side of the coin that you have to be like, this nigga ain't shit. I'm taller than him. You know what I'm saying? The whispers, it's annoying. So rest in peace
Starting point is 01:07:01 to Roy Jones' son. And like I said, my condolences to the Jones family. Half the things that I was talking about in here weren't pertaining to Roy Jones or his son. I was just given different scenarios. Yes. And then again, our condolences to him and his family.
Starting point is 01:07:16 But that is all the time that we have for today. Thanks for watching. And as always, it is what it is. That was a good take, killer. Thank you, man. I appreciate it. watching and as always it is what it is it was a good take killer thank you man what you want nigga everything nigga super size like when they doing them two for five What you want, nigga? Everything nigga supersize Two big necks Like when they doing them two for five

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