IT IS WHAT IT IS - NFL WEEK 4 PREVIEW & MICHAEL PORTER JR SAYS HE AIN'T PAYING FOR HIS GIRLFRIEND'S RENT!

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

Ma$e, Cam’ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one!! On this episode, Pacman Jones joins the show to talk about the Seahawks stealing one at the buzzer to beat the Cardinals & move to 3-1. Pacman is a believer of the Cardinals this year & Killa couldn’t disagree with him more. Then, Pacman don’t like short QB’s & we pick some of the biggest games of the week 4 slate. Lastly, Michael Porter Jr says despite having a $200 million dollar contract he ain’t paying his girl’s rent Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Sign up with promo code IIWII and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-itiswhatitis #UDpartner Follow the show and our hosts on social media: ⁠It Is What It Is⁠, ⁠Cam'Ron⁠, ⁠Ma$e⁠, and ⁠Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson⁠ , ⁠Producer Ayooo Nick⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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There's no better time than now to join with all the promos running right now. I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stap Baby, along with your host, Mace, and Cam, and today we are joining with our analyst, Pac-Man. Pack, what's up, baby? How you doing, man? What's good, boy? Hey, me and you up on the hotest criss right now, nigga. I don't know what's wrong with these folks, but like, we got an opinion, too, bro. Don't talk to these white people like that, bro.

I'm just saying. Now, what's going on this week? What happened? Can I say one thing in my world? In my world right now, bro, people are dimming me. Absolutely, they don't understand the show. They think me and you're fighting, which is cool. I like them to think that part.

I have no problem with that. But our fucking opinion, y'all said to fuck up about our opinion, bro. I don't know what you on, bro. I'm on bullshit. Don't ask me, no questions. None of my answers about how I feel and strategically what I'm saying about anything when it comes to sports.

and analyzing shit. Like, we have opinions. Same way the white folks got the opinion. Yeah, first of all, me and Pack I have no problem. But what I will say is this. And I've seen the nigger, I see the nigger. We got one problem. We got one problem, killer.

Your sorry-ass team is not better than my team. There's the only problem we got. Who is your team? Who is your team? I don't know who your team is. Right. Who's your team? Do you know which team instead?

Nobody knows who your team? I thought your team with Cincinnati. It's the same team you with, nigga. All right, so how's your team better than my team if we both rooting for the same team? But you have a second team. I don't have a second team, Pat. You're confusing me with Mace.

I know we're the same complexion. I know we got in the same color. Mason, I got a second team. I got a second team. See, the whole thing about this, Pat. I know you ain't been too, niggas been clowning me. It's all type of cartoons. I told my, I'm singing.

with the shit. No, no, no, no. Niggas are clowning me right now. That's what I'm saying. How you're just clowning me? Not just you. Yeah. Not just you.

Yeah. Not just you. Well, listen, just, just, just something real quick about what we're going to get the last last, twin. Yeah, we'll see what happened. But this is what I want to say real quick. And I've seen this, I want to give props, you know, and real quick to Cam Newton. Because he says something the other day.

And we probably have, has said it a bunch of times on this show. But as clear and cut as it could be, and I like the way he put it, even though we probably said it differently. And it alludes to it how Pac-Man started to show off. Listen, stop getting mad at the messenger and get mad at the point. All we're talking about is what the fuck is going on. Y'all niggas want to get mad at the messenger.

Stop getting mad at the person delivering the message or their point of view on the point. Niggas, start arguing the point. Y'all niggas is missing the point. And pack, I'm happy you brought that to niggas' attention. man. Yeah, they are not, they're definitely missing the point. Everybody want to talk about the match. Oh, you're talking about this so much. But what is the point that we're talking about? Because 90% of the time, the point that we're talking about is fucking right, bro.

100%. There you go. There you go. Thanks for having me. I'm happy to be here today. How y'all doing? Good, man. Nice to have you. Hey. Okay. So we're going to talk about that Thursday night football game. So the Cardinals lost to the Seahawks 23 to 20 pack and I'll let you go first. How far do you think the Seahawks can go and thoughts on the game? Well, Seahawks was not my team.

I will admit that first. I told everybody, early in the year, I've been fucking wrong. Like, the last week I've been wrong. Last week was a fucking, it was a trick show. Like, every team that won was not post to win. Arizona is really my sleeper team. Here we go. Here we go.

So instead of using the second team is a sleeper team, instead of saying you got a second team. instead of saying you got a second thing. Go ahead. Go ahead, finish up. It's sleeping. No, no, not really a second team because I had to pick somebody out of the NFC, AFC, so this was my sleeper team on the other side.

But why I would say this, Calamore is throwing the ball pretty good, but this week he didn't. Last week, we couldn't even fucking catch the ball with Arizona. I think Arizona is just a team. And I think it started with, like, you know how I said it started with the head.

I remember when they was talking about Collin Murray when watching film and doing this and doing that, that and this, that and that. But right now, it's a shit show. It's a shit show. It's a shit show in Arizona. Do we think the six outs are good? Maybe. But are they a contender? I don't know.

I just, the shit in Arizona right now with Martin Harrison, Jr. having fucking six drops, the last fucking. in two weeks. I mean, last week and two drops this week, I mean, Thursday night. I don't know. I like Arizona. I think they're a good football team, but I'm nervous about the outcome of Arizona Cardinals. Okay. Mace. I mean, we're talking about the Cardinals. We're not sure if Seattle is a good team, they clearly better than the Cardinals. I mean, Sam Donald. is playing really good right now. They're three and one. I don't see them slowing down realistically.

I think a lot of teams are going to underestimate them and it's going to lead to a lot of good wins. As long as he keep taking care of the ball, not throwing it away, making it hard for his team to win games, I think they end up at least over 500 because when you look at the conference that they're in, and many teams would do exactly what the Cardinals did. Come in and play, play lacklustre against them and they'll end up with a lot of early wins and once people figure them out they already have half of the wins that they should have gotten for the season yeah listen murdo when they come to arizona cardinals look we talked about it earlier this week they can't be trusted that's just that they just can't be trusted if this was the st louis cardinals maybe

they could be trusted we cannot trust the arizona cardinals and that's what we talked about earlier this week. I like Cala Murray. You know, one of my friends, Marquise Noel, shout out to Marquise Noel, he has a slogan, even though he's a two-way player in the NBA 5'7, he has a slogan, hard over height. So when I see Calla Murray as a quarterback,

even though Statt doesn't like short quarterbacks, she has a whole problem with short quarterbacks ever since. And what about it? And what about it? I do not blame. Listen, she has a whole problem with short quarterbacks. But no, no, no, listen, listen, you don't know the backstory pack. The backstory is when Russell Wilson started losing them games last year,

she took her father. We're really talking about Russ, bro. Like, do you, I know. Russell Wilson. Since we write that, it's dart o'clock right now. Big bro, it's darter clock. Max and dart o'clock. You're a motherfucker fucking think Russell Wilson will last over four weeks in New York.

Y'all from? Bro, you're from New York, bro. I'm trying to give you a back story to why Statt don't like short quarterbacks. They ain't have nothing about Russell. I know about it. This little short motherfucker has only been good when he had a good defense.

Bill, Pac, he got a Super Bowl. Do you have one? Yeah, Pat. Come on, man. You just say, you know how hard it is? He is the starting quarterback on the Super Bowl won in the gym, man. Come on.

You got to cut that shit out, man. You got to show out. You got a chill out. You got a shit. You got to kill out, Pat. You got to kill out. Yes or no? Say it again.

Do you have to be platinum to make you a good artist? No, but you have to have good beats. Killer, kill him. Yeah, let me shut up. You got to have good beats. You got to have good beats. This nigga ain't making no beats. Mace, this nigga ain't making no beats.

We're talking about defense. This thing is the rhythm of the beach. The line, the defense, the offense of the line, the running backs. This nigga had played with a whole cast. bro this nigga had played with the whole band this is the nigger that is on the top that's doing this but is any quarterback good without good defense though pat who's good with a shabby defense man tom tom brady joe burrow the nigger didn't he had a line and since he came to the nfl bro this nigga everybody who would play in a bengal's uniform since the day that joe burrow got

have got hitting a million times. We luckily made the championship because of Joe Borough. That's why he's always hurt, though. That's why he's always hurt. Yeah, it's true. More of the story is, back. My point is, like, these fucking quarterbacks

are held to a higher standard. Same way I was telling y'all the other week, this thing of painless nails. Yeah, you won one game. Still not buying it. Pack, I think nobody was giving Russell Wilson no props. I think you missed the whole point while Statt don't like short quarterbacks because we're talking about Calla Murray.

She was cool with Russell Wilson when he was winning. And then when he started losing because her team is the Steelers. When they started losing, she's like, oh, I went to a game. I went to a game. Hold on, Pac. I went to a game and I'm taller than Russell Wilson. That's the problem. That's why she doesn't like.

So that's what I was saying about Calla Murray is that the nigger is short and I like his style. But the Cardinals is, look, I believed in them two years ago. I thought Dad's going to do something. They're not. You ought to think about this. They might be the worst team in the division.

Am I taking the Rams over them? Yes. Am I taking an injured 49th team over them? Yes. And we see what Seattle did last time. That's just me. I don't like no team, better than any team in the division.

Yeah, Pat. Okay. You got them last in the division. I'm just asking you a question. I just answered it before you asked it. Who about it in the division? Who baddened them in the division? I'm asking, no, I'm asking you a question. I'm like, you pick them. I have them last in the division. Are they worse in the division? Are they worse to who? I'm saying, you're saying they're the worst team in the division, right? Yes.

What's the record? What's they record in the division? I mean, what's, what's their record? compared to everybody else in the division. They're in last place, pack. I understand that. So why would you ask if you understood it? They didn't last. It was a simple question. Not really like last place in the division.

You ask me what's their place in the division? They are literally in last place. They're in last place. What's their record? Two and two. They're last place in the division, but they're not last place. They're last place in the division because of two and two. not because of the division record is what I'm saying you asked the question I answered it

then last place you can't disguise it you asked the question I answered the question you know what I'm gonna be reasonable is that a reasonable answer if he asks I think so yeah he's the last what you actually he likes the cardinals so he's sticking up for You know, but it's like, see, this is where emotion, this is the shit he talked about at the beginning of show. You arguing, you mad at the messenger, it's at the point. You asked the question. I told you the point.

The point is they in last place. So you mad at the messenger. You mad at the messenger. They're in last place. They're not in last place like that. They're not like that. Yo, it's like that, nigga. Dumb niggas is in last place, man.

But as far as just the, and the, at this. this segment, I can't trust the Cardinals. Murdoe said he couldn't trust the Cardinals yesterday, and Pack is still sick enough for the Cardinals. We got a lot of football left, so we're going to see who's right. The only reason why I'm saying that is because they could have not been in last place. They lost about three fucking points tonight. Hey, yo, let me.

And this game could have won a whole different way. But let me ask you saying, Pat. Oh, yeah, the Cardinals are really good. He sound like killer. No, listen. He sounds like the Cowboys when they lost to the John. You know what I'm saying? No, let me tell you.

No, this is the way. Now, this is the way it worked. This is a perfect analogy. You got a boxing match, a championship boxing match is 12 rounds. If you fucking a nigga up for 11 rounds and you are ahead on every judge's score card

and that nigga knock you out in the 12th round, you lost. You lost. It don't matter. If you could be fucking this nigga out for 11 rounds, if he knocked you out in the 12th round, you lost. I'm 11 is not void. It's over.

We got six, 17 weeks. No, I'm about to say 16. We got 17 weeks, though, because. You asked me who's in last place today. Yeah, you got 14. You asked me who's in last place today, bro. I can only go off of what was going on today, bro. I'm speaking in general, but like what I'm saying is,

do I think the Cardinals going to be in last place at the end of season? Fuck, no. Will the Cardinals make the playoffs? Yes. on that side bro that's just sorry as fuck bro so who you got who the best team who the best team in the division in nmc west who the best team now I'm just saying nfc period and a whole nancy period if we go into it we got

all right uh eagles Tampa Tampa Tampa Temple. Green Bay. Green Bay. Green Bay. The commanders, I'm letting you go. I can name a bunch of teams. Man, the commanders are the same.

The commanders are the same team that we were talking about, Twins. What's that? They went further than the Cardinals. Nah, Pac. What's the commanders record? I think they're two and two, too, right? Two and one.

They play. Who they play this week? They play Stack. He ain't got nobody. He don't got no help. They're going to beat the Falcons. They're going to beat Atlanta. He don't want to hear that.

I'm going to go against y'all because Falcons might be the worst team right now. But what I'm saying is, like, he got no help over there. Like, all that shit. What about the Detroit Lions pack? I was letting you ring off some more names, the Lions. All right, Detroit Lions look good this week. Did they look good the first two weeks? They got, yeah, the second week they looked good.

The first week they didn't look good, but you got to realize you're dealing with two new coordinators over there. They got two new coordinators, so they may not look pretty the first week, but it looked like they ironed it out the last two weeks. I had to wipe my glasses off because you're talking bullshit right now.

You don't need to see me, all you got to do is hear me, nigga. Just listen, you got to see me. You hear what I'm saying? You know, nigger wiping his glasses off so he can hear me. You're wiping your glasses off. so you can hear me. I need to hear what the fuck you say. What I'm saying is,

you need to have that same energy by week eight, nine, ten. Do I think, I really didn't think the lines would be a good offensive team with losing the coordinator. Last week they showed them, they made me a believer last week. But besides last week, they've been playing like shit, bro. This is the first time that the running game was been, been together. It's the first time they looked like they was having fun. It's the first time that they felt.

fucking really won the game with some oint on it. Like, we're sitting here talking like, oh, yeah, they've been good the whole season. Now the fuck they have it. Yo, they lost their first game and won they last two games. I have no idea what you're talking about. And play like shit the second game. And they won. So they play like shit and won.

What would that mean? This last game was the last game they really played, like, decent. It's week three, bro. Are we really talking about who is going to be the best thing in the end of this? Yeah, that's why we all up here. That's why we up here, Pack, to talk about this. Bro, we did something out of shit, bro. Ain't nobody got hurt yet.

These teams are still bums. All of them. Pack, niggas got hurt the first play of the season. Yeah, Burrow is hurt. Yeah, what are you talking about? All right, yeah, we know that. But I'm talking about it. Nobody got hurt yet, Pat.

You're wilding. Let me ask you a question, Pat. And I ask you this, continue. I'm talking about it. I'll ask you this questions. What is the Ravens known for? Like, over the years, I'm talking about, what do they know?

It was known for defense. Okay. Okay, cool. They're known for defense. So you answered, you knew where I was going. They let niggas go up the field 95 yards twice. 100 million dollars on. He's wearing number zero.

Which, would that mean? You know who that is? Yeah, we all know who that is. All right, he's playing like shit. This nigga can't get off a block, can't get around a block. That's the reason why the rapists is not winning right now. He's playing like shit. Pierporn blank.

Whatever it is. It's a lot of niggas who got the Ravens going to the Super Bowl. The lions walked up in them niggas's chest and said, hello, nice to see you. 95 yards and 98 yards up the field for touchdowns twice. Hello. So if you're only saying that that's the reason that they're not playing good, the niggins shouldn't be picking them to be going to the fucking Super Bowl this year.

There's a lot of niggins to pick them to the Super Bowl. I agree. Any nigga that we're paying 100 minutes. million dollars to camp. Niggas got to show up, bro. Ben Simmons don't show up for work at all, man. It's a lot of niggas who don't show up for work to get $100 million, man.

It's a lot of niggas, man. We ain't covering all the other niggas. We're covering football right now. Yeah, but... I'm talking about football. But the point being is back, we started on one thing and then we ended up here. I'm just saying that you was trying to just the commanders,

you're just the lions, you're dissing everybody but the Cardinals and all the teams that I name look better than the Cardinals. I was telling you what are the good teams in that side. Now, if you took it that way, saying that I diss those guys, that's on you. I'm going to let you put it that way. But what I'm saying? Yeah, that's how I'm taking it. Pause.

Well, you took it the wrong fucking way. Well, listen, let me explain this to you, PAC and stat and murder. I say, listen to this. I'm just trying to make common sense of here. I say these niggas is not the best team in the division. I said, you said, well, I ain't talking about division. I'm talking about the conference. You name some names, and then you sit there and name niggas

that's in the division. You sat there and named the 49ers. They're in the division, bro. How are they the best team in the division that you try to broaden it with the conference? Yeah. How many teams make the playoffs? First of all, you automatically go to the playoffs

if you win the division. Y'all listen, if you win the division, you automatically go to the playoffs. Are they going to win a division? All right. Of course, the team that we're talking about is not going to win the division. The Cardinals is not going to win the division.

That's not what we're talking about. That's what I was talking about, the division. All I asked you was who was in the division. Yo, how many teams make the playoffs, though, Kim? You tell me, mother. Tell me the conference that you're, Tell me the name of the conference that your team is in. He normally asks me that.

That's why I wanted that. You want to make, listen, I'm going to purring my computer that. You want to make a bet murder before I answer the question? I told you do it. No, no. Do not tell him in the year. Yeah, I'm about to say. You want to make the bet murder?

No, me and murder do this. It's just really what you want to do it. I bet you they tell him in his ear, murder. We're all hearing the same things. Y'all would be able to hear it too. I'm putting my computer there. Murder can't even tell you. Murder can't even tell you who get a bye week.

I try to revert it on you. Murder can't tell you how many teams get a buy week. That's a good question. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Hey, Murdo you don't know how many teams get a buy week? Go back. You see how long that nigga took? You hear how long that nigga took?

I still didn't tell him. I still didn't answer the question. Murder loved this. Pack, don't think you got a friend that nigga will turn on you in 20 seconds. This is what he do. Do not think you got a friend of this nigga will turn on you in 20 seconds.

I'm telling you, I see it. That's why I only fuck with family, bro. We don't need to fuck with friends. We all family over here. I don't think now one of y'all know that answer, though. I'll make a bet with you right now. And you can hear what they fucking told you in your ear. You can hear what I hear.

You hear the same thing that I hear. That's crazy. You're the owner of the show, right? Oh, here we go. I'm not doing that. I'm not feeling of that. Okay. So let's get into our predictions.

So this went so many different ways. She's saying Cardinals could be the best in a division. Some agree. Some disagree. In the comments down below, let us know, what y'all think because who's the sum that agree uh fact but like there's people out there who i know probably agree like yes this is the cardinals moment you know so like i'm gonna give it to y'all i will never you know say you can't hey jack sirs carter's not a bad team do not let them

ruin your mind the cardinals are a good team everybody has different definitions of good teams When we go halfway through the season, you're like, man, my brother told me that the Cardinals are a really good fucking team. But see, like, man, these fucking third Cardinals, and they're going to be winning. But that's how you're getting me because you're talking about we and then you said you didn't have a second team, but then you're going really to bat for the Cardinals.

So I don't know where to, like, I don't know where you stand. True talk. We. When you catch them out there with that we, me and sin argue about all the time. When he say we, I'd be like, I thought that wasn't your niggis. Right. So.

At this point, I'm at this point, I don't know. But we'll see because we also said comments about Gino Smith and then he had three interceptions, one game and the three times. It's just, I don't know. We all think differently. Hold on, hold on.

Did you see him this week? Yes, this week was a good game, but we need consistency. That's what I'm saying. I know it's just going into week four. He had been consistent except one week. Okay. All right.

You still got them top five? I ain't fucking with you. And it's okay. Okay, it's football. Eddie, give it Sunday. It changes. That's why I don't fault you. Okay.

I still got him top five. All good. We'll see if that remains by the end of the season. No, because that's the whole thing. You know, that's why he, maybe that's why he's shitting on the commanders because they smack the shit out the Raiders. And that's why he's talking about the commanders ain't like that. Because they disrespected the Raiders last week. It wasn't even close.

First of all, I'm a Jake Daniels fan. But are we talking about the commanders? Who do? This nigga ain't got no help. Who he got? Don, doon, doon, don't, don't, don't, doon, don't. What's his record, Cam? Two and one.

We just told you that, two and one. A normal fucking team. What are we talking about? They just went to the NFC championship last year. It was a very good team. That don't matter neither. It ain't hard to get to that. You know, here telling me that Washington commanders

or a top team right now. Yes. It might just be me, but I listen. Yes. Yes. Yes, they better than, they better than the Cardinals. You must got connections in D.C. Cause that's the only way that you can say,

and I'm a commander's fan. But this year, I'm trying to take it. If it's only been three weeks, how do you determine if a team is good if it's only been three weeks? Numbers, numbers, numbers don't lie. Ain't that what you're saying. Y'all needs to live our numbers.

Y'all live by numbers, right? Yeah, they too. two and one out of three weeks. That was garbage. Okay. Garbage. Everybody going thing different. I'm gonna leave it at that,

but we gotta get to our predictions. Sundays got a lot of good games. So, let's start with the Eagles versus Bucks. Pack, who do you think will win that game? I'm scared to go. I ain't gonna lie. I'm scared to go against Baker Mayfield and the boys, but he lost a big part with the wide receiver getting hurt.

and everything about the Eagles right now in the quarterback row remind me of Michael Jordan and the theme of the shit that they've been doing it's hard for me to go against the Eagles so I'm going to take the Eagles well I'm definitely going with the box I'm definitely going with the bucks I want to see them beat the Eagles I know the Eagles should win but I'm definitely going with the bucks that would make it really interesting Why are you going with the books? Because of Baker Mayfield. That's the white boy, huh?

Typical nigger. It's a Florida thing. It's not even a white man. Hey, boy, that's a typical nigger right now. You stay in Atlanta, you moved out of Florida. You stay in Florida. What are we talking about? Hey, if it was the Miami, if it was the Miami Dolphins,

I would go with the Dolphins. Yeah, listen, Baker, Macian don't get your niggins money. I'm telling me, when playoff time come, you go, oh, Baker. Baker, Baker, going to bake your ass. But I just want to ask the question. I ain't mean to interrupt, sorry. Oh, yeah, I'm going, I'm going with, I definitely going with Florida. I got to go with Florida.

Okay. Yeah, I'm going with the Eagles simply because of what, what Pax said. We see, we see Pax smoking. He forgot Mike Evans' name. Mike Evans got hurt. So, I'm not. I know, I know, I know, we know, we know. What I'm saying is that I agree with you.

Mike Evans got hurt, Chris Godwin isn't back, and I don't think they'll have enough weapons to beat the Eagles. And not just that, the Eagles last week really showed to me, showed me that they know how to win in all three phases of the game. They wasn't supposed to win last week, but special teams came to fuck through. This last week was a crazy week for special teams, period.

There was like about nine games that was decided by special teams. But just, just showing there that the game is 60 minutes. And they won that game last week. I'm going with the Eagles with the injuries due to Tampa. But I do like Tampa fully healthy. Getting Chris God went back week five, six, possibly week seven. Mike Evans resting up. And that division is terrible.

Niggas be going to the playoffs in that division with a less than 500 record. fucking playoffs eight and fucking nine which is crazy yeah like yeah so this division is i'm going to say the weakest division that have been in the last 10 years but it was the weak of division in the last probably 10 years now i would say division is a little bit better um i don't know with the viking's quarterback being hurt is still the same division to me yeah so i'm i'm going with the Eagles, but I would like to see a fully loaded Tampa Bay team in the playoffs against the Eagles. If we get that in the future, we'll see what happens. You know, barring injury, if everybody got their main players, I would like to see that game. But right now,

the Eagles are just knowing how to win on all cylinders and all three phases of game. Okay, Colts versus Rams, Pac. The Rams are a good fucking team right now. That's just, that's just my opinion. They play sloppy sometimes, but with Mavet, like, the offense is always good. And we weren't even talking about the Rams. And I don't think the Rams defense gets enough credit with all of the superstars being gone from the defense that when they won the championship in a year before and when they went to the playoffs. But like, I like the Rams. I like Mivay.

I like the Rams in this. pack that's a lot of excuses pack i'm going with indiana well they win it they went on with indiana jones another white boy just for the record you are right bro you bro you bro you don't know what you yeah well you see what i got on i got on the u.s. jacks oh my fucking god you that was crazy Jesus Christ. This niggas is wild, bro. Yeah.

Nick, that's no help. Just let you know, FYI, but go ahead. I'm going with Indiana Jones. I know that. We'll talk next week. We'll see if you got that same energy at the Indiana going. I've been winning every week except one week. I lost me and Cam, we lost like three games last week.

Yeah. I didn't lose any. I didn't lose any. They put up a... Yeah, because it was the first week you won, man. Yeah. Yeah, that's a fact. That's the first week you won.

This is a fact. They put up a post, back. It ain't like you've been winning one, week one, week two, or week three. Pack is about what have you done lately. It's not about what you did in the 90s, man. It's about this week. I know, but I'm jotting this all down on my computer. I got like, what is this?

What is this? What I'm just telling you? The person said, I woke up to going with Mace bets and look how many much money I want. I didn't know what to tell them, but you know, go with the experts. Well, it's in the fact. You was an expert last week. I'll give you that one. I see you trying to wear the glasses like I wish so you can get your experts.

I'll see what happened was. Kill a dance. He think is in the glasses. These niggas keep coming dressed up. First up, least I can put the, you know what I mean. You know, I ain't really the dress-up guy. You know what I'm saying? Y'all be coming too far on here, bro.

I like Indiana what they've done thus far. I don't think nobody thought that Indiana would be where they're at, too. They're in another sorry-ass division. And what Daniel Jones has done so far, especially me, you know, I was giving a nigger mad grief when he was in New York. I said a quarterback name shouldn't even be Daniel. I don't like to name Daniel for a quarterback. But I guess the name Daniel could be a quarterback long as it isn't in New York.

But I think this week, Sean McVeigh and them niggas going down setting up for that nigger and he's going to be rattled. Now, if he beats the Rams, which is a really good team, then we got to start paying attention. What? If he beat the Rams, I'm with you. Yeah, if he beat the Rams, they might go to. Yeah. If he beat the Rams, he'd be all right.

But I don't think, Sean, I don't think me personally outside of the quarterback. battle and the Rams defense is really decent as well. I think niggas like Sean McVe take it personal. But he'd be like, I'm going to rattle this nigger. I'm going to set all type of blitz is different for him. I think he's going to rattle

him and send some shit at him that he hasn't seen to say, let's see if you really one of these NFL quarterbacks. So as much as Daniel Jones has done the first three weeks and I think he deserves the starting job, it looks like Richardson. You're going to be on the bench the rest of the season, buddy.

disparate injury or something like that you're going to be on the bench but I don't think they're going to win this week I'm going to give the victory to the Rams okay can I ask you something before we going to the next course is this did we ever think that Daniel Jones would take the job from Richardson though like I'm me personally I'm like if anybody get their job ticket for Daniel Jones they must be a bum yeah I don't think anybody thought that but Daniel Jones I don't I mean granted rich has had a lot of injuries, too, but he clearly outplayed him, so. But it ain't even about the injuries, not to cut you off the stuff.

It's always an injury. Yeah. Like, yo, you got to, just like his fourth, third, fourth inch, always enjoyed, man. But he's never available. He was never available, though. It's never available. Not saying he can't play, but he's not available. It was the time last year, they put the nigger flacco in,

because Richison was talking about, y'all, I'm tired. You're tired. Because he quit. Yeah, that really me, you're tired. I was just about to say that, since you, since we, on that point right there. I think that's more of the bigger reason why he's not playing because, I don't know,

we all are our own bosses. But a nigga that's working for me that quit in the middle of the game, bitch, I gotta go another way. I'm just saying, I'll give a fuck how much you can do, but if you quit on me in the middle of the game, as an owner or a GM, If I can find somebody that can do the same thing or maybe 75% of what you can do, I'm going to go the other way.

You cannot tell me that Daniel Jones is a better quarterback than Richard. I'm not going for that. I don't care what nobody's like. I'm not athletically, not throwing the ball. Now, mentally, he might be better because the motherfucker just don't want to dive on the ball. But like, at the end of the day, like, we're playing for keeps. And a lot of these kids don't realize this shit. Like, my job is, what have you done for me lately?

Because if you don't do the fucking job, guess what? My ass is out of here, too. Let me ask you a question real quick, Pat, as a professional football player. And it's pertaining to what you just said. If you got a quarterback, right, let's just use Richardson. Well, we're not going to use him for this example. I'm just using it. Yeah, yeah.

It could be great. because we've seen this happen. I'll use Alex Smith when he played for the 49ers. Don't use Alice. Alex was so good, bro. No, no, listen, what I'm telling you. Alex was so good.

Yeah, and listen, he lost his job twice. He lost to Patrick Mahomes too. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, so. Who's going to argue that, though? Patrick Mahon is the best quarterback in the NFL right now. No, but he also lost his job in San Francisco

when he was like 20 and 1. But that's part of my question. That's why I'm asking. He didn't really lose that job. Go ahead. No, he got hurt. And when he was ready to come back, that's my question. That's why I'm asking you the question.

How much is this based upon talent and rhythm? So for instance, right, you got your starting quarterback. And he goes out because we've seen this with Michael Irvin in the year that they could have potentially went to the Super Bowl, but Trey Aikman got hurt. So I'm asking you. I didn't even ask Mike this question. I'm asking you this question.

question. You guys just starting all pro quarterback and your record is one in one. Now, matter of fact, let's say your record is two and two. You're week four. And your quarterback gets hurt. And you put in, and mind you,

like I say, Pro Bowl, All World, this thing is great. I'm not going to say Patrick Mahomes, let's just say he's a good quarterback. Jane Daniels. I'll use Jane Daniels. And your backup quarterback takes you to 13 and 4, but your starting quarterback is ready for the playoffs.

What do you do with a backup quarterback that's in for 10-game winning street, but your starter is back. You leave his ass in there. You leave his ass in there. Fuck that starter. So it don't matter if you all-world or whatever. It depends on who it is. Like, if it's Joe Burrow, yeah, that's different.

If it's Patrick Mahomes starting at the beginning, that's different. If it's a kid out of Philly, um, um, um, hurts, um, hurts, that's different. Um, but if it's the kid out of fucking Jacksonville, Trevor Lawrence, you leave his ass on, yes, Trevor Lawrence, you leave his ass on the bench as long as long as possible. This motherfucker got to throw three picks to come back in the game. That's what I'm saying. Like, it's different strokes for different folks, but like... That's why I asked you the question. Because the thing about it is, for what you just said,

you were saying that Richardson is better than Daniels. Even though Daniels is winning right now, so it's hard to argue because there's rhythm and they're winning. But if he's better than him, and let's say that... He quit on us, though. No, no, I understand what you're saying. But let's say, for instance, he hits a losing street. But he quit on us.

So you don't, bro, we shit on him for quitting. We talked about that all last year. That's why we don't bring him back again, though. Even, so even if, because he was starting this year, the only reason that Daniel is starting is because Richardson got hurt in the preseason. He wasn't, he wasn't even supposed to start. Richardson got hurt in the preseason. So that's why I was acting.

He didn't be hurt in the preseason, but he got outperforming. the preseason two. But he's supposed to start. I was there in Indy. Y'all, you might know about it. Yeah, I was there, but like he got outperformed. Like, I was, I went to like three days of camp in Indy. Mm-hmm.

This one, he was healthy. And there was mannerisms pretty much the reason why they, like, before he got hurt. Like, he was not the starter, though. Like, he was the started coming into camp. But shit. During camp. He was not, okay, got you. All right.

I didn't know that. Yeah, he wanted to start. All right. Because to that scenario, I was going to kind of relate that to, like, the Brock Purdy Garoppolo situation, because when he got in, then they went on, like, a 10-game winning streak. But I get the point that you're saying. No, like he said, that's why I didn't want to use Earl World niggins. Like, because it depends on, if you think about oral world niggas,

not only did the nigger Tom, Brady told Jimmy Garapolo have a seat when he got back. He wanted him out the building. Like, I don't even feel comfortable with the nigger around. I don't like the way him and Belich be. He can. together. That's why I didn't want to use a nigger to that top level. I want to use like a not a game manager but a quarterback who's decent the way you're not going to trade them. Right. I got there. So I need. No, it makes sense. Okay. Next game, Ravens versus Chiefs Pac-Man. What's your prediction?

I don't know. Everybody is was... Everybody was loving the Ravens. Nick, the rapists are the last place of the division right now. Oh, y'all want to get mad at me because I said Cam New was the best black quarterback. He is. Fuck are we talking about. The Ravens haven't did shit, bro. Ravis are known for a defense, and their defense suck right now because they don't got no linebacker that can

fucking fill the A gap, the B gap, the C gap, and definitely can't guard the motherfucker out the back of the bat field. Like, and we keep talking about how good the offense of the Ravens is, how good this and that. Bro, the Ravens are a regular fucking team. Regular. They're undisciplined. And right now, they're not good.

Period. Let me ask you a question before. Let me ask you a question before murder go real quick. because Murdo, I know you got so, because it's your team, the chief. So what I say is this. How, and I'm not arguing about this. I just want to ask you a question because we both are, me and your team is at the top of the division, even though we lost Joe Burroughs.

We two and one. We tied with Pittsburgh. And Baltimore, guys that, yeah, we all, yeah, we all, you know, it's all good, it's all good. It's all good. Look, all right. So we're at the top. We're talking about Cincinnati at top of the division. And you're 100% right.

The Ravens are tied for last place at the bottom of the division. And you just said... What happened? I said last twin. Yeah, yeah. Okay, my bad, they're in last place. They're really not in last place.

They're in third place. But they're tied with the Browns. So basically the question is this. They're in last place in the division. I'm looking at now. But why it don't matter that the Cardinals ain't in last place in the division.

The Ravens in last place division, but the corners ain't like that, like that in the last place of the division. How does this shit work with you, bro? Like, certain niggas can be your last place. Bro, it's two different size. All right, all right, all right, all right. Here we go.

Here we go. All right. All right. All right, bro. Steelers. Steven, Cincinnati. Niggum, we got the hardest division in the NFL.

What are you talking about? It's the division. And bro, there's worse to last. Look at this. You, like, I know you'd be saying, I'll be high. Are you high right now? Let me ask you a question. I don't even think you smoke.

Can you just answer, get, are you high right now or not? Absolutely not. I do get high after work. After work, I get high. Yes. All right. Do whatever you want to do on your own time. But what I'm saying.

If you're comparing to the AFC, like, that is crazy. Like, that shit is way easier over there. I'm not denying. This is real football over here. And then we any, bro, we September, October. Yeah, tell them, the F. All these soft-ass teams that come play in our, anybody in our division, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, um, still none.

Ravens, Cleveland, Cincinnati, doing October, end of October, November, December. These bitches that have no win. This is real football when they come to that time. Like right now we're talking about mediocre teams that are decent. But it ain't ain't got cold yet, bro. It ain't got cold yet. What kind of last place do you consider, niggas? Like, bro, now you're sitting there saying the NFC is easy.

If the NFC is easier, if the NFC is easier, and don't you think the Cardinals should be higher if the NFC is easier? They are. That's the only reason why I told you they're my sleeper team, duh. Are you listening to any of the fucking... I think we all think you're bugging.

I think we all think you're bugging. Scott, does this make sense to you as a... I've been lost. As a civilian and it's a civilian. Does this make sense what I'm saying? I've been lost. Thank you. The other side is a soft and...

is the soft as that side soft. Then why the Cardinals ain't winning if they so soft? They soft, then why the Cardinals ain't winning. That's why I'm trying to figure out. They soft. That's a good question. Then why the Cardinals ain't winning

because they saw a guy, I'm listening, guy. Bro, you're acting like the Cardinals are like zero and three. What are you talking about? Like, they lost the game tonight by three. What are you talking about, bro? They want to. Yo, bro. You should, the way, yo, I'm gonna get you a DJ gig.

Yeah, spin game is crazy. You spending this time? No, my head game is crazy. Like, you are your, like, pause. Pause that. Hey. You know, that's crazy. Pause that.

You, pause. But what I'm saying is, bro, they're a good, bro, they're a good team, bro. They got Mitch and Matt as a quarterback. But watch to see what I tell you, the Cardinals make the playoffs. And you're like, man, Pack's here, the Cardinals are going to make the playoffs. And do, do, do, do. Watch, Cardinals make the playoffs.

The only thing I'm saying is, on that sideburn, you can lose three games in a row and still make the playoffs. Over here, where we're at this big, big boy football. You can't do that shit on our side. That's what I'm saying. Last place is last place. Yeah, last place is last place. Yeah, but it don't, on the other side, last place ain't last place, because ain't none

of them motherfuckers undefeated. There's only two teams over there undefeated. So being one and fucking two going into week four on that side ain't shit. Over here, we got six motherfucking teams that's undefeated. So going into week four, one and two on the other side, that's a big deal. Okay. Mace, Ravens versus Chiefs, we're going to get through you guys predictions so then we can head to break.

What do you think? You could have skipped me on this, that you know who I got. You know I got the cheap. You know, this is a foregone conclusion, you know? It was good that, you know, they thought they was going to be good this year. We're about to add to their woes. Okay. I'm, I don't know.

I really, I really don't know anymore, y'all trying. Can't go ahead. No, I meant. I'm saying, I'm saying Kansas City is going to add to the Ravens, woes, you know? They're already not doing well. Just going to make them worse. No, what team do you have, though? I got the team.

What team are you picking? He's going to pick the chiefs. He's going to pick the chiefs every week. It doesn't matter. Every week. Every week he's not going to go against the chiefs. I can be your booking in. Right now, just to see, I'll be your booking.

Every week he's calling me. I'll bet you whatever you want to bet. See, that's what I'm saying. you know, we are Arabia who works up here, and of course myself. We know the games that our team's going to lose. Murder is 17 weeks of the Chiefs not losing. That's why I hurt so bad this week.

And that's why this, I mean, the first two weeks, and that's why this week he wants to be about what you done for me lately because they got a long because they just won last week. So they got their first victory. Look, my prediction is this. only going with the Chiefs because they playing the Arrowhead. That's the only reason that I'm going with the Chiefs. But both these teams are underperforming.

They both look like a far cry from the teams that we've seen play the last couple of years. And even though the quarterback play from Patrick Mahomes is still excellent, high level, I don't think it's anybody better than him right now. They're not on the same page. And he doesn't have all the weapons that he needs on his team to get the job.

Man, they need Taylor Swift, man. What the Smith he's at. Those niggas have not been playing good. since Swifty have not been in the building. Taylor Swift need to go to the fucking game. That's the only time they've been playing good. I'm sorry to say it, but I said first. Where's Taylor?

NFL don't want to see Taylor? It's she playing like shit. If y'all want to see them play good, brain the Swifty back. Howder behind the screen, whatever the fuck y'all do, get her in the game. Listen, we said the same, we said the same thing you said all last year

because what happens is this packing to agree with you is that, listen. The ratings go up when Taylor Swift is at the game. They put the camera on her half the motherfucking timesheet the game is going on. And then I don't know if people paid attention because they don't remember yesterday. Kansas City had about 12 or 13 games

that they won by one possession or a field goal or less of a touch there. All the games that they had, they were just winning. Especially when they played the fucking Bengals, they cheated the shit out of us just because Taylor Swift was there. So I have to agree with this. When Taylor Swift is in the building, they want more fans

so they make sure the Chiswain. So we are right. We have not seen her this season. Even though that we know her and Travis Kelsey are engaged now, congratulations. But the NFL need eyes on her. And once you get eyes on her, then the Chiefs win.

Murder, you may want to make a call. You may want to make a call. I totally agree. Murder, you might want to make a call. Yeah, we get the... The RELSA have been really fair since she haven't been at the game. When the Swifties at the game,

bro, they get every fucking call that is, bro. Her ass ain't been at the game. They can get shit like nothing. No, no, none of that late hit shit, none of that shit going on right now. Yeah, you may even want to make a call murder. So we'll see this week with no Swifties. They plan at home.

They might tell her to get her ass over. She might be there. I would. I would. I would. There's one of them Joyce with, it's an emergency. It's an emergency. It's definitely an emergency.

Get ahead. Right. Okay, y'all. I know you got a show in Paris, but I really need you at the game today, baby. NFL could cover it. They'll figure it up. Okay.

So we got a hot take to discuss after the break, so don't go anywhere. she called this thing about toxic four years and counting got you feeling like a option maybe i'm my own problem big she's tired of hearing i don't know my stubborn in me won't fall oh oh dealing with this thing called trust but she really thinking about she want to be free Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. On Sunday, the charges will play the Giants.

Underdog has Jackson Dart at 188 and a half passing yards. Do you have them higher, lower Mace? Oh, I want to go higher. They show him some love in New York, but I think he's going to be lower. Same thing I said about Sean McVeigh. I'm going with Harbaugh on this. They're not, yo, bro, you know, these are coaches with pride.

And not saying that a good offense and a nigga on fire or in rhythm can't, you know, disparage or take a part of the defense. But I think these coaches take some of this shit personally like, nah, you ain't coming in here again, $290 on me, $3.40 on me, $4.20 on me on your first game, not on my watch. So I'm going lower because I fuck with Hardbar. Okay. Justin Herbert is at one and a half passing touchdowns.

You have a higher. Higher pack. Fuck up now. Fuck up with Herbert. We'll talk after we, yeah, yeah. Justin out here, nigger. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Higher. Way higher underdog. I wish underdog had a way higher. They had a way higher button. Higher, yeah, looking better than Gino. Way, way underdog.

Way higher. My hand ain't even that high. Yeah. Go ahead, Mace. This is crazy. I'm gonna have to, I hate to agree with Kim, but he's right on this. You know, Herbert is falling.

I'm going higher. Okay, and Keenan Allen's at 51 and a half receiving yards. You have a higher, lower, Mace? I'm gonna go with pack on this. Pack, which one? Higher or lower? Up.

Kina Ali is fucking bawling. Kina Ali is a motherfucking real deal. He's the focal point of the time. focal point of the third down passing game with the Chargers. I love Kenan Allen. He's always been crafty, even when I was playing against him later in the end of my career, like he, the motherfucker is crafty and he's still looked the same and he's healthy right now and he got a good quarterback.

I like Kenan Allen way more than 55 yours. Yeah, I'm going higher. You know throwing on the ball higher. You get the ball. Throwing the ball higher, nigga. Yeah, you're going to have higher. That, okay. Make sure you out download the Underdog app,

and you can make your picks too. So Michael Porter Jr. has been on a generational press interview run, whatever you want to call. He has a lot of quotables. So one quote we're going to talk about today. So as we know, he signed a $200 million contract, and he revealed that he splits the rent with his girlfriend, with the reasoning being intentions,

and he said she needs to, to act right month to month. He said, quote, it's very hard when you have money to tell a women's intentions. I'd never bought a girl expensive gifts before this last girl. And it was cool to do, but I still wanted to know that she was with me for the right reasons. Every dude in this particular person's past had money. So I never wanted to feel like a girl was just with me because of what I have. He said a lot more things, but just focusing on him making 200 million, splitting went with his girl and then intentions. Pac-Man, what's your opinion on that? the niggas line the niggas line bro like come on what we're talking about you

never bought this miss a gift the fuck out there splitting the rent like have you got the rent that's your job nigger you the mail put out when you want to put it out but like my job is to take her home right like I want so I've been with my my my wife for damn I don't even know how many fucking years it's been but like at the end another day my job is to be the provider and to protect it actually to pay what well we don't have rent here because our houses paid for our houses are paid for but I'm just saying we did have condo or whatever the fuck we had I would be turning over in my grave to ask her to give me $75 baby to pay put something in on a light bill like

Is that what the new generation is about? Like, when I grew up, like, and where I'm from, a man is supposed to provide and take care. I don't know if it's different now, but like, maybe I'm, I'm out of whack. You know what I mean? There's a lot of CTE shit that's going on, but like, But where I'm from, though, like, we're supposed to take care of it and provide for women.

Maybe I might be wrong. I don't know. There's a lot of CT. If you got three, four of them, that's for taking care of this. You know what I mean? But like, I'm just saying, I don't know. What do y'all think? Yeah, I'm saying.

Y'all might be different. I think there's a lot to unpack here. Pause, when you think about him in the young lady did not marry right so he made man I asked you a question you spend rent bro this that's the question what the fuck are we talking what are you what are you talking about what's your question you you're gonna make a you gonna make yo pay half of the rent um if she's not my girl that's not my responsibility um I I stay with you wait wait pack let him finish his thought first because I want to see

where he's going with this before we debate we let you talk about let the man finish Just say a statement. Let them go. Right, my best. Yeah. Yeah. Number one, this doesn't make sense because if it's Michael Porter Jr. No.

Then it really shouldn't be no rent. Like you said, if there's a house, then there's a mortgage. It's not a rent. So, you know, I'm going to be in the wordsmith. I'm just paying attention to the words that are here. You're saying your girlfriend, you're saying rent. Um, if she's a girlfriend, then she doesn't belong to you yet. So then the building.

the bill is not yours yet. You know what I'm saying? It depends on what level of player you are on. You might be in beginners mode. You might be in medium, you know? Who am I the judge, you know? If she's not mine, I got a wife for 25 years. I'm going to take care of my wife.

But if it wasn't my wife, killer knows me. I need to get it off the arm. I can't pay, boy. I know that. Had to the back murder. Dollar. That's dollar right there. I take a dollar.

American green. American green. Oh, my God. Yo. Hey, you know, Stad on the ground pads. You know, first, it seems like Stad has something to say, I'll go after Stackleckle because Stats seems like she has an opinion on this. Go ahead.

I mean, I definitely do have an opinion on it. Yeah, go ahead. It's just, so first and foremost, I think that the girl, should not be apartment hunting or paying for a crib that's out of her price range. Because it's different if you know you can't afford, say the rents $5,000, $10,000 and then you're expecting, like, if you can't afford it, then that's when I feel like, okay, like, it's OD. But if that's your girl and y'all are planning on living together, I don't know exactly

their situation. And you, not even to be pocket watching, but you make $200 million and she's struggling to figure that part out. I think that you should cover it. Hold on. First of all, is she struggling? I don't, that's what I said he didn't know the girl. Exactly. So that's what I'm saying.

Don't throw struggling in the equation. But say, so no, okay, that's fair. But say we're apartment hunting, you make 200 million and then you talking about like, yeah, I want to find this crib and like it's 15K, like let's split half. Like your pockets are not in my pockets. That's what I'm saying the big differences. But if it's something that like, especially you want and you have the price for it, I think that makes sense.

for you to cover it. Now, if she's already on her own, like covering her own thing, I think that's different because I do understand the girlfriend thing, but I do think that as a man,

the man should be the provider. I do think that you should want to take care of your girl. I don't know the exact situation because I understand the men don't want to be played too because there's a lot of weird things going on nowadays.

A lot of bitches. A lot of bitches is getting over on, you can say a few. Yeah, that's what's that trying to say. And a lot of weird things going on, so I understand the hesitants. being hesitant because it's like, damn, I only want to pay for this shit

if we ain't going to be together. But if you're having the conversation of living together. You don't, and I'm going to translate what status trying to say. You don't want to be Michael Porter, Jr. paying for all the bills and then she's sucking James Hart

and Dick Thursday after the game. That's what she's saying. Guess that. I just put it clear. But the conversation, to meet the conversation alone is living together. At that point, you should know your girl good enough to be like,

I got it. Like, don't even worry about it. Like, we're living, we're taking that next step. But if we're not even at that step, if y'all just fucking around. Let me ask you that. You,

you, hold on real quick, Pat. Let me ask that said. You're a notable, you're a celebrity, I guess. You know,

you're my sister. All my friends end up, we all end up being somebody, so I don't really like to use the word celebrity. We, we all prominent people in the world trying to do better for the world. I don't fucking,

you know. Definition is crazy. Yeah, whatever. So the point being is this, you're doing pretty well in life, in life. You got a nigga that you fuck with like that, that you came out of high school with and went to college with,

and that's your high school sweetheart. And he's struggling, and he's fucked up, and he's house-hunting with you. And he's like, yo, this looks nice, man. He ain't got no money. He's still, he got a plan, but he ain't got no money. Like, man, I'm going to figure this out.

But in the time being, yeah, man. this looks, this is nice. What are you doing in that situation? Are you taking on with your house hunting? Are you taking them with you to look at shit? Are you going to be like, maybe we can afford this when you get a job? What are you going to say in that situation? Because I know you.

Go ahead and lie. Go ahead. I mean, we're going to have to figure it out together, but also you're going to have to get your pockets up. You got to get your pockets up. Yeah, we see. But that's different. But that's different. because I do think the man should be a provider.

Yes, it is, though. It's not. Your man is going through a rough place. The reason why I'm saying that it's the same is because before earlier, I was saying, well, you won't get a chance to pick out the apartment. Like, he's saying, oh, she got to pay half of the shit. I'm picking out my shit where I want to stay. Like, yeah, you might have a little say-so about some furniture or shit,

but, like, you ain't going to pick out where I'm staying at, and vice versa. dude, what Cam just asked you. I mean, what a killer just asked, Cam just asked you was, all right, if it was vice versa, what would you do? Like, you ain't gonna let this nigga tell you where you wanna stay. But that's also different because if I'm gonna be completely honest,

if I'm at the point, like, say I make way more money than, and that's the whole thing too, because a lot of men are uncomfortable with that. If I'm like, look, you ain't making what I'm making, I'm fin to choose this crib and you're gonna live in the crib that I live in, I know if my man is like, okay, I'm gonna be like, like, I'm gonna feel some type way. But opposite around, if the man is like, okay, this is the spot I like. I know you're my

girl. You know, you can let that's very, I feel like that is very different, especially because typically men make a lot more money than women. That's just point blank, period. So if he chooses that, that's the crib that he wants. And then you choose the crib and then you want me to go half with you, I feel like that's crazy. But if I'm choosing it and then you're my man saying, like, I'll just go wherever you go. I do feel like that's different. Yeah, listen, murder. You kid the whole, got murder, my bad. Yeah.

I think, honestly, and I know this is different for a lot of people, I don't really think you should be living with somebody that you don't want to be forever with. Like, I think that's your personal space. It's better if you're dating just for them that'll stay at the place they're standing and y'all meet each other on convenient times. When you start living together, you might as well marry them and then you should be paying for everything. But until then, let her pay for our own crib wherever she at.

My whole thing is, I got two things to say, because I know we got to get ready to wrap. You hear this murder, nobody could win with stat because she says this. Yeah. You should be making money to where we shouldn't be in this situation. But then she says if she's going to look for a crib, if she's going to look for a crib,

and let you be the alpha mayor. But no, let's, you hear the shit, she's going to look for crib. And the nigger don't want to be. He's kind of passive, not saying he's a passive nigger. He just one of the nigs be like, I ain't got to stay, so I ain't going to argue with you. And she says, I'm getting this crib.

And he'd be like, okay, let's do it. Now she don't even like you for agreeing with her on the crib. Murder, you hear this shit? The nigger ain't got no choice anyway. So now if he'd be like, all right, I'll just move here because even though I don't like it, I'm not going to say it. In her eyes, he a sucker already. So now he's a sucker for a green,

and he's a sucker for not having no. money. So if you don't have no money, don't waste your time with that. That's just basically what it's different. You've been on this show several times saying you're not fucking with the help. You're not fucking with a garbage man. You're not fucking with a librarian. You're not fucking with a nigger who cleaned the plane. You've been on this show on the record several times saying that if you're part of the, what's that shit called Nick, first response team, she's not fucking with you. She's not, that's just basically it. And she's just basically it. And She said that.

Now to answer the question, because I know we run out of time and y'all both mates, everybody on the panel made some great points. I'm going with what May said when I say this. You have to pick out the key words. The key words, you know we agree about this is a celebration because we don't agree. But you have to pay attention to keywords, girlfriend and rent. And not only girlfriend and rent, because it's like me, for real. Like for me, I'm going to call.

I need my space, even if I love you, like you, I need space, yo. A lot of niggas, when they, you know, I used to think about this with my grandfather and know what I drive. They take the longest way home they can get home. They take scenic route. They drive away, they don't even got to wait.

Then they sit in the house in front of their house for 15, 20 minutes. I didn't used to understand it when I was younger, but niggas be neat in space, especially when you are artists or a creator or somebody like that. And so you need space. I'm just giving you space.

in Cam's life. Now, back to Michael Porter, Jr. Like, Mace, you got just, and I'm not speaking on your family and nothing. Mace, you be in the studio. When I see, you got it, you're creative. And it's dope that you got a dope family and everything else and y'all have a great life.

But do you need some time for you? I'm just asking. Yeah, you have to have that. You have to. It's not good to be all the time. So back to the key words with Mace said. rent and girlfriend. Now, think about this.

Even if you're going to be with somebody in a long run, that's great. You could take care of the bills and I agree with Pac-Man on that. That's your girl and everything. Even if y'all, like, together, together, if she's taking care of you and making sure you good, y'all make sure she good. But if it's Michael Porter Jr. situation, the way he's explaining it,

you got to know the law, too. Girlfriend shit could turn into six, seven years, and now with squatters' rights. and now you're, like, legally married without being married. I kicked the bitch out one time in four years. Or we're creeping up on six and a half, seven years. Get the fuck out.

You're not going to be living here by law. You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of people don't know that. I bet you Michael Porter, Jr., a lot of a bitch live with you seven years, eight years, and her name is on shit. She don't got to get out. Then go to court and be like,

yo, well, you was taking care of her. You know, you got to take care of what you did, seven, do another seven. Learn the law. And Michael Porter, Jr., it sounds like one of these people who got parents. I don't know if people seen it. But Jane and Daniel's mother just was on the pivot. Shout to the pivot, Ryan Clark and them niggins. And she still calls him a kid.

Me and Churchill, shout out to church, but he's talking about it. And she was like, he doesn't know anything. She treated him like he was almost, the way she talked about him, she talked about him like he was, I don't want to even use that word, but she talked about him like he was a third grader. He doesn't know what's going on. He doesn't have a business mind. He doesn't know what these girls are out here to get from him.

And to me, Michael Porter, Jr. comes from that type of family. Now, his brother don't necessarily say that. But he's man, light skin. We don't even know if he's fully black like that. You know what I'm saying? The niggas wild light skin. He lighter than a white nigger.

He might be on the son. Yeah, he get it. You know what I'm saying? You understand. In the business of the relationship. Yeah, there you go. That's that one to get through that. Yeah.

Last thing I'll add, these are also not normal situations because when you're making that type of money, you already bringing very different people into your life. So I don't know what he's went through because I'm sure he's went through a lot and he had to set a precedent because if a couple months in they break up, like is he still supposed to still pay that girl's rant

after they break up and they're not together? Like at that point, he has to make decisions that makes sense for him. So that life versus normal life is very different. That's what I'll, that's what I'll end with. So, that's why you don't pay it. That's why you, that's exactly why you don't pay it. Because when you break up, she knows her rent.

If your name is kind of partially on the deed or partially on the lease, then you might be responsible for something even though you're no longer there. Because the worst, the worst experience for those kind of guys would be, you know, paying that rent and then you find out she would a rap or something like that, that's going to be But that's what I also say, especially for women, I just don't think that you should, this is how I think. I don't think that you should try to cover anything that you can't afford. Like, even on dates, if you can't afford the $350 bill, maybe you don't need to order all them things you started ordering because if he were to just walk, like, and that shouldn't happen, but if he were to just walk out and you can't cover it, like, I think it starts there.

Like, stop trying to, like, live a life that you can't provide for yourself. No, seriously. We talked about this on the first season, and that's a good point to that you brought this up, because murder said it. Murder said it at the very first season, and that's when I knew that I had my friend back. That's when I knew. That's when I said, all right, this is still the murder that I know when he said, why would you buy her Lewis, K if she's used to Old Navy?

You get her old Navy. See, that's how we go. That's him. He's in there. Poor, that's the, nigga. And I remember that, but so I looked at him, I said, Yeah, you're still there, nigger. It's still you, like.

But she can still be treated in nice things. That's still a good thing, too. I'll, I mean, obviously y'all know that. Still, you buffling. You all over the place tonight with this stuff. Not because it's, like, it's so many, like, Like, that's where my mind is. I'm going to ask Mike this question, too,

because now I'm curious on his response. But y'all, that is all the time. Oh, Maces, you have a last time? Yeah, it's not, it's not just one thing in Old Navy. You get her everything in the other. Bro, y'all are crazy. Anyways, y'all, that is all the time. What do you want?

That is all the time that we have for today, Pac-Man. You know, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. today, brother. Okay, man. I love y'all, right. Love y'all, too. Be good, man. Thank y'all for watching.

And as always, it is what it is. Super five.