IT IS WHAT IT IS - OHIO STATE BACK IN TITLE TOWN & CAM NEWTON SAYS HE RAN THROUGH HIS NFL MONEY! |S6 EP7

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

Cam'ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are here with another one!! On this episode, TITLE TOWN JOINS THE SHOW!! Maurice Clarett fresh off being on the sidelines for Ohio State's National title win over Notre Dame calls in to tell us why that was such a surreal moment for him, Coach Ryan Day & The Buckeyes. Then, Cam and Mo discuss their environment shaping them up to be who they are today, why Nick Saban is a control freak and Cam Newton says he got no more NFL money despite making over $100 Million in NFL contracts! What do you think? Tell us in the comments below Please Like the video, comment, subscribe & turn on your post notifications for more content. Listen to the show on Spotify! https://open.spotify.com/show/4Brb7BgCw4f4jwgS5v3sXQ?si=811988ecff7b416a Listen to the show on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/it-is-what-it-is/id1719695401 Support the show and sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code CAM and get a $1000 in Bonus Cash + a FREE pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/pc-h5QWv9W9OA Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson , Producer Ayooo Nick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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MACE is out today with the flu, but he'll be back. Cam, how you feeling? I'm good, man. I can't complain, I'm feeling good. That nigga Befra, he flying around like a pilot all the time. I told him, you keep getting in them planes, there's germs in there. I can't forget the preacher name.

He said he fly private, because it's like being in a tube with demons. Kind of, I can't think of the nigga name. He said if plane is being too, I didn't say that. I still fly commercial, unless it's an emergency. Unless I need to be somewhere. I'm not private all the time, I'm a suspensive habit. But yeah, it's a lot of germs on the plane.

I would still mask up if I were a lot of y'all out there. Be careful. Yeah, definitely a lot going on. But Mase, we we hoping you feel better. Today we are joined with our analyst, Maurice Claret. Maurice, how you feeling? Look at Title 10. Look at fucking Title 10.

Look at Title 10. Yeah, yeah Mo. Yeah. Yeah, congratulations, fucking lations man. Yeah, yeah, how you feeling though? I'm feeling like the first thing I wanna do is show off my funky little backpack to Coach Pram. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Nigga trying to. Oh shit. Oh shit.

Oh shit. You know how he go like, are you trying to get at Coach Pram? Okay, okay, I see what we doing. Yo Mo, listen, hold up Mo, I'm gonna let you go cause this your show today, title telling everything and I'm not gonna do it, but you know we keep receipts up here.

We know how you was feeling last season there, don't do that. Don't do that, we ain't gonna do that. It's your day, it's your turn to shine. Congratulations man. Go ahead and tell me what you're gonna tell me, because you know we got a lot of questions and we need to get to the game. Questions about the game, about how it went down, the environment, so on and so forth. Start off with what you was about to say, my apologies. No, I was just joking. No, I was really joking, but it was serious.

That was a special moment. But I wear that backpack everywhere I go, and I just remember at the beginning of the season, when I kept talking about my team issue gear, my backpack, Coach Pram came and clowned me. And I said, well, I had to show my backpack and my confetti and the credentials and the forces because we stood on business and all of this.

Before we tied your house state gear, I just had to show it off one last time. So that's been a phenomenal experience though. Mo, Mo you got confetti with you? Yo Mo, that's- Oh yeah. Oh yo, Mo kept the confetti with it? Oh shit.

Oh shit, listen. Oh, shit. Listen. Yeah, some of that. Yo, listen, real quick, man. Now listen. What's up? Oh, credentials, all that. Credentials, man. Yeah, listen, man.

Listen, listen, first and foremost, congratulations. You know, I'm really a Buckeye. I'm Coach Proud First nowadays, but you know, I lived in Ohio. I actually got to experience with Beardy, and I was like, I'm gonna be a Buckeye. I'm Coach Proud First nowadays, but you know, I lived in Ohio. I actually got the experience with being around Ohio State football was like, not to extend a view, of course.

I mean, I was out there living there when you was actually playing. So, just to know how much this means to the city of Columbus, because you know know you think about Cincinnati a major city with pro teams you think about Cleveland a major city with pro teams But this is the protein for Columbus, Ohio And I know that it was such a disappointment

Losing to Michigan last year and they're not just losing the Michigan last year, them going on to win the title was just super duper heartbreaking. Then this year at the end of the season, losing the Michigan, they try to plant the flag, pepper spray from police, altercations. We talked to you, and just to show your maturity, when that altercation happened, how you took important players to the back of the locker room, so on and so forth,

to the moment that you guys are at, the day before yesterday, and the high that you still are on, is nothing but congratulations. Shout out to all my family and friends that I still affiliate with in Columbus, Ohio. Like I say, this is our, I still say our, because I still feel like I'm part of Columbus. Our, but not as much as Moe.

Championship, and whether it's professional or not professional, this is official Title Town, this is the seventh championship for Ohio State as a franchise Moe. It's so dope to see you as a player get one, and then as a consultant or mentor, whatever your title is. They were giving you props, me and Larry

were just talking about how, I don't know if you heard about it, obviously you didn't see it, hear it, because you weren't in the field, but they were giving you props, not just with Ohio State, but how you contribute in Connecticut as well. So the cast that were doing the broadcast showed you much love.

I loved to see you on the sidelines. Look, you won, I won, and it felt really good. Pause just to see you be a part of that, knowing where Ohio State finished the season. The regular season, pardon me, to where they finished the end of the regular season. The most games played in college football history, the first 12-team, playoffs team ever,

and you guys did it. Congratulations again, before we get to the game. I just had to give you all that pause. No, no, I definitely appreciate it, man. I think probably more serious level now. After I was joking, but man, it was, it was, I don't know, I was talking to Nick before the show. And to say surreal was probably like an understatement. But when we first left the stadium, so everybody comes down to the locker room and you go to the stadium, you park your car,

and then you have like a caravan of cars leaving. And sometimes you just have moments where you understand how significant it is based on the support that you get. And at 41, man, I was on a bus and we were heading to the airport. And when you see, like, man, I was on a bus and we were heading to the airport. And when you seen like, man, it was like nine, 10 degrees. And we were leaving to head to the airport, man, you had, you know, mothers and fathers and uncles and kids

and all types of people with signage. And I don't know for whatever reason, like it hit me. I was like, man, it's people who like have a deep love and appreciation for this stuff, right? And that's kind of like hints into your conversation about like when you're here in Ohio, like these people love it. I'm pretty sure that, you know, Texas or states or areas

where you don't have a pro team that, you know, it's magnified, you know, to that degree. And I just remember riding to the stadium like that and it put me in a mind frame like, man, these people really depend on these kids, this coach, to really get this thing done. It's not to say I didn that, it put me in a mind frame like, man, these people really depend on these kids, this coach to really get this thing done. It's not to say I didn't know it before, but sometimes when you see like the way you affect people

or the way that they act towards, you know, these kids going to play football is like a big deal. And so then we get to the hotel down in Atlanta, you know, we went through our normal routine and, you know, just all the stuff that you go through, your normal pregame practice, the meetings and all that stuff. And it was like another significant moment.

I wasn't gonna share it unless they won, just because I don't think he would mind me sharing it. So we get done with the, what is it called? The walkthrough, the day of the game. And Ryan Day had called me over into, he was like, hey man, just come and walk with me. You know, so we, he grabbed me, we go walk down the hallway,

and we get to these two chairs and we sit down. And a man just like, you know, just started talking to me about just his journey. And you know, obviously the losses in the way that, you know, it affected him and affected his family, and just how it personally like weighed on him. But also like pairing my life and just sort of some of the things that happened to me, like, man, like I see your life through me and through this whole journey and vice versa. Right.

So you really don't even understand the impact that you have on these people as you're moving along. But then the day of the game, it was the anniversary of his father who had basically committed suicide. And so like the man just started like, you know, he had this moment and I'm thinking to myself, like, man, all these people, being assistant coaches, his mother, his kids, you know, everybody that he's been on with through his

journey, he chose to share this moment. And I seen how serious that, you know, all of these things basically, these interconnected, like emotional moments and serious moments and your family. And man, it was at that moment, I was like, man, just on a spiritual things, basically, these interconnected, like emotional moments and serious moments and your family. And man, it was at that moment, I was like, man, just on a spiritual level, man, I need this dude to win this because I don't want him

to identify this day as like something that crushes him. And once he wins, he can go on to tell the story about how he persevered and all this other stuff. And so I know I kind of got off track with that, but I wanted to make sure I told that part of the story to begin on this because when I went to the game, and it just wasn't about the game, it was about wanting somebody to have their moment.

If y'all ever, you know, if you've ever wanted somebody to have their moment, but that was like the leading up to the game. So I just knew at that moment, man, today was going to be significant. Nah, that's what's up, man. That's a dope story, man. And my condolences and my going to be significant. Nah, that's what's up, man. That's a dope story, man. And my condolences and my congratulations to Coach Day,

as well as the organization out there in Ohio, man. Yeah. Super dope. So yeah, you have a lot of bragging rights. So we know that Ohio beat Notre Dame 34 to 23. Maurice, you were there in the flesh. Can you kind of talk to us a little bit about that experience? What was going on through your head seeing everybody there? What were the vibes like?

Hold on Moe, real quick before you do that. I know he's making fun of Coach Proudman. You don't want to talk about stat in Miami all year. They was behind Michael Irving. I might bring you back tomorrow for Mike Ass. For Mike Ass, get up there tomorrow. We might bring you up for a segment with Mike Ass, because you know I was Ohio State. Until y'all niggas tried to play the little video game on me, I had to go in my shit. But they, I'm Mike Irvin, y'all got it?

Don't try to put me in DR. Mike Irvin in Miami, you don't want to take nothing up before we get into the atmosphere? Because there's popular shit out. I think I want to bring you back for five minutes tomorrow when Mike Ass get up here. Because they was talkin' shit, they was feelin' theyself.

What do you have to say about the Miami organization? Hey, well look, we crushed Miami 20 years ago. We crushed their hopes, their spirits, and they ain't been the same ever since. Yeah, I'm just callin' it hot in here. Is that right? I'm just callin' it hot in here. Talk that shit, Mo, that's what I want to hear.

That's all. I can't be excited. I can't be happy. Like 20 years ago, I was free. I was three years old. We might got a good alliance, okay? We were hype as we should be because this hasn't happened to us.

But we ain't talking about us. Next season. I don't want niggas just getting me. Niggas been up here talking shit all year. God, I just want to be a team. Well, I do have to come clean. So I'm gonna throw Mace up under the bus today, especially since he ain't here to even defend himself.

He's have to defend himself tomorrow, right? So there was two videos made by Coach Day with you and Mace. And Mace was like, yeah, I'm gonna come out there and I'm gonna go out here and I'm gonna go out here and I'm gonna act like this is my team because this camera did, Mase stood me up. So Coach Day really showed you love,

but Mase stood me up. He was supposed to come to the game and my man never showed up. So it made it look like he was outcast, but I told Coach Day how much you loved Ohio, how much you shout us out. I played the song for him. I let him see the whole deal,

but Mase ruined the party, that's it. Oh man, well send me my video so I can post this shit now that we won this shit. It ain't too late for me. Send me the motherfuckin' video so I post this shit on my own social media. I ain't know I had a video. Send me my shit please for my own personal use.

I'm gonna send you the video. All right man, all right. But yeah Mo, back to the stats question man. Just tell us about your experience and the vibes that were going on when you were there for that championship game. No, like any championship experience man, it's everybody who's anybody who's within the area who can basically connect with somebody,

get inside the stadium, they were there. In Atlanta, they did a good job. They did a good job at the hotel. They did a good job. I'm talking about the theatrics, the decorations to make these kids feel like that they were in a big moment. All the hospitality. I will tell you this, the security guards, the bus drivers and everybody who was part of support staff, all these dudes are like, yo, love you on the show and just shouting out, like just happy about just, just the whole festivity, right? Uh, when we got over to the stadium, man, it was, um, it was like, you know, like a heavyweight bout, you know, saying, uh, you have Marcus Freeman,

who was basically trying to establish himself as the, you know, he wasn't trying to establish himself as the first young black head coach, uh, to win a national championship, but those guys were prepared and ready. And obviously the young dudes for Ohio State was ready. But I'm telling you, the thing that gave me more confidence than anything, and I say this all the time, like, you know, uh, even when I'm advising teams, consulting with teams are, are, are just lending my opinion towards what's going on. Uh,

whenever you have guys in the locker room, pregame who are trying to hype themselves up to basically get ready to go play a game of football and you can kind of check all of like the extra theatrics and like the dudes are trying to play like the super violent music and get crazy on purpose. Like that sort of like mentality never works. And you can tell that that place that they're functioning from is different. But when you have guys who are just prepared, they got a calm demeanor and it seems like that they're just ready to carry out the plan that they have. That's what basically everybody has seen from the Tennessee game to the Oregon game to the Texas

game and into this game. But I remember walking over to coaches and I said, bro, I don't even have a worry because these guys have been even keel throughout the entire postseason like this, and you've seen the results. And so it was beautiful to watch pregame. It was highly energetic, Notre Dame, very classy fans, I will say that. They took the loss well before the game. It was very social and very cordial.

And so I just enjoyed the whole experience, but enjoyed it more, even winning it all. Yeah, let me ask you just a couple of things about the game. When they came down and scored on that opening, on that opening drive, were you like, oh shit, we in trouble? Or you was like, all right, that's good. We gonna get right back at these motherfuckers.

What was your mentality? I know that you're not necessarily, and I see you talking to players when they come off the field and everything. I'm done, I know you're not actually calling plays or anything else. What was the feeling like when they came and scored on that opening drive? When I seen how long it took,

I knew they couldn't sustain it, right? And what I mean is that when you take a football team and you take 300 pound line, and I'm not talking about the athletes to go and score or to go on 10 and 12 play drives and to have to beat us like that all season. That was the first thing we said. I was like, Oh, we can't, they can't sustain us. Right. That was the first one. Right. The second one was that we knew if we scored real quick and we put them back on

the field, we would start to chip away at them because they're not built to go out of score 28, 35 or 42 points. And so for anybody, this is just for an educational purpose. Typically in football, the offense has a script at first 15 plays and that script is pretty much like them trying to take advantage of something that they've seen throughout the week or they're gonna throw a new alignment at, or they're gonna throw a new alignment at you,

they're gonna throw a new formation at you, they're gonna throw something different just to see how you line up. And then after the first series goes out, or the first two series go out, basically teams start to warm up, they get loose, and they start to adjust to what they see. But after that first series, like we weren't worried

because we score fast, we can put up 35 or 42 points relatively fast And we just knew that if we did that or if they make a mistake that they could not compete Also, that's that's a good point because y'all motherfuckers came back and scored quick Towards the end of the game. It looked like y'all think y'all had this side seal delivered It was over then they made a quick run and it looked like, well if they do this or they do that, it was a lot of things that needed to go right. Was it anything in particular,

we was like we can't let this slip away because I believe, I don't know how many yards you guys needed, but when y'all threw that 35 yard ball with probably two minutes left or something like that, that's what really sealed it. But it was a couple things they could've did. Now, when the motherfucker coach from Notre Dame, it was fourth down, I get it, it was fourth and nine,

he wasn't getting an end zone, he's trying to go for a fucking field goal. Mathematically, I'm like, what the fuck is he doing? Because three points still wasn't gonna help. If you got two times, y'all was down 16 points. I would've went for it. But was there any point towards the end of the game where you were feeling like, we better not fuck this up?

Or were you confident with about six, seven minutes left? Because me, as a secret Ohio State fan, this year I'm like, these motherfuckers better not fuck this shit up. They better not let these motherfuckers come back and fuck this shit the fuck up. Because it was looking like potential for that. Did you feel that way, or you was like, this shit up. They better not let these motherfuckers come back and fuck this shit the fuck up because it was looking like potential for that. Did you feel that way or you was like, we ain't

going to let this slide? No, I felt that way when we started getting all those penalties. You have to remember probably from the middle of the second quarter on to the fourth quarter, I would venture to say we probably had six or seven passing appearances. So that just extends his drive. And we just basically kept on, for lack of better words, shooting ourselves in the foot because you keep on extending the drive. You keep the defense on the field.

You start to give these people momentum. And I don't think that that's one thing that people on TV can't feel. It's the momentum and the energy from the fans. You know what I'm saying? And you start to get the kids and the sidelines into the game. He started to give like, you know, just some sort of energy that these kids didn't have before when they keep on extended the drives. And that's a feeling adversely works towards our guys. And I can see our guys kind of getting discouraged, like, man, like,

man, you keep on holding this motherfucker back here. Now, they say that, but I'm pretty sure that their body language is saying that. Like, come on, motherfucker, like, damn, like we had these dudes to and out and we have to get off the field. So our entire sideline for a moment felt like that because they kept on extending the drive and they were moving the ball down the field at a faster clip than what they normally do. So what Notre Dame does is they run the quarterback.

They want to get four yards, five yards, six yards. They'll wear you down over time in hopes that you, you know, give them a couple fumbles and then they can make touchdowns and Phil goes off of that and they'll beat you just by, you know, just wearing on you, you know what I mean? And that was it. And so I got nervous around that time,

that's the period that you were talking about. Gotcha. Looking at, so congratulations again. Looking at, and that's the one thing I love about Vegas, is that these motherfuckers, the game is over five, six minutes. I'm exaggerating, maybe 30 minutes. And they have predictions for next year already.

Shit, you ain't even gave up your confetti yet, Mo. These motherfuckers are making predictions for next year. So right now, you can sit here and predict, or go gamble, or make a bet on who's gonna win next year college football. Right now, Texas is number one, you guys are number two. How are you feeling about Ohio State's chances on repeating next year?

I feel great for a number of reasons. And I can tell you the reason I feel great. I want to back up and say two things. And so I don't formally have I don't have I don't have a role. I don't have a title. I don't have anything. I have more of a friendship with Ryan Day and I have more of just, he allows me to exist in the space of the team and help where needed. So I don't know what that's called.

He don't know what it's called. And I say, we're not even calling it nothing. I'm just gonna help you run the organization, right? So that's like, for anybody who may be wondering, what do you do? It's just more helping him and then helping to run the organization, right? That's how I would title it, right?

But the second part of that is that I believe that Ohio State has another chance and this is the difference. And I don't care if you're a football coach, basketball coach, if you run a business or an organization, it's almost the same thing, right? Every coach starts out the season or every business starts out with like a mission, a vision or whatever, right? And throughout the season, throughout the process, you're trying to sell guys on what we need to do, how we need to do it,

how we need to practice and everything, right? And one thing that I have seen in UConn, UConn, Danny Hurley, Luke Murray, Keamani Young, all those guys, they didn't have to preach and push a message after so long. It was the players who was driving the message and driving the culture and driving expectations and hold each other accountable and searching for excellence. Right.

And when I look at Ohio State, it was like them getting to that point progressively throughout the season where the players and the in the culture of the team had just basically started to chase excellence. And so when I look at these young kids, a lot of young kids who are coming back who will basically be on the field next year and And I can see that they believe in the messaging. They've experienced the highs of the highs. They've been through, uh, just turmoil. And I love people who've been through turmoil because you like, you've shown

how you can respond to something, uh, adverse, you know, it's, it's the story of my life, right? And so for that reason, you know, and I'm pretty sure the reason that they have Texas being number one, because you have the Manny kid coming back and we don't have Archie Manny yet. And we don't have our quarterback coming back and we have to pick somebody new. So you don't know what that is.

But I just believe in the core pieces and the culture that he's basically set out. I think that those things are the reason that we become the front runner. But then also after you go out and do it one time, you have a belief that it can be done again. So I'm gonna pick us number one. And those are the reasons that I just think the culture

is so embedded right now that it's hard to break. Right. Well, from what you just told me on that last take, it sound like, Thane, you ain't getting paid. And if you need me to come the fuck in there and negotiate shit, then that's exactly what I do. Because it sounds like you doing this shit on the arm, and you proved your point at doing shit on the arm,

and shit is working now. No disrespect, I know you're loyal to the city and to the program and everything else, but time is money, and my nigga Maurice deserves a check. So it sounds like, you know, if you need me to fly in, I'll fly private for that. I'll take it out to budget, and I'll get the fuck down there. But Ryan Day, the AD in Ohio State,

we see what such an intricate part that Maurice has played with not just the organization, not just his loyalty with mentoring and helping these students, and it just isn't with football. We see what he does with the basketball program at UConn and it's not a coincidence that UConn are back to back champions. It's not a coincidence that Maurice just gets around

Ohio State this year and not saying they hasn't won previous championships but they haven't won one in 10 years and he's a winner. When winners are around certain things, it helps other people win. So if you need an agent, just put me in contact with who I need to talk to because time is money and obviously Maurice did this

out of the love for the program. And he's happy with his backpack and everything, but we need something to fuck in the backpack to solidify this motherfucker. Now the last thing I'll say before we move on unless you got something else to say, you killed it this season, congratulations. If I was you, I would hurry the fuck up

and get up to Connecticut, because they looking like shit this year. The basketball program, you better go do whatever that fucking winning magic shit you got the fuck going on. Hurry up and get over there, because they look like they not gonna treat three people. And if you don't get there soon, it's gonna be fucked up.

Now, if you need me to poly some shit up there in Connecticut, too, let me know. But we're not gonna keep saying Maurice is a nice guy, and he's here. Look, y'all got all these assistant coaches and shit. I ain't throwing nobody under the bus. What the fuck are they doing? I'm pretty sure they getting a check.

Listen, we not gonna keep having my man around all this shit, teaching niggas secrets and all this other shit, and he ain't getting paid. Coach Day, early, AD, listen, I'm gonna step in now afterwards, because I don't wanna fuck shit up on camera, but we have to have a conversation immediately. Mo laughing, because you know I'm serious. I got my agent, I got my agent.

I got my agent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, cause you know I'm serious. I got my agent. I got my agent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me know. I'll be in Columbus tomorrow morning, 9 a.m. nigga. Let me know what I need to do, man. We gonna let y'all get off the high, but we gotta talk some business next couple months, man. Nah, so I'm gonna say one thing. So I'm definitely going to, I brought this up tonight though.

Ohio State Gears retired until next football season. I'm going to see my Huskies in Cincinnati on Saturday, play Xavier. And I know they struggling right now. I talk to the coaches all the time. I don't know what's going on. I'm pretty sure they're gonna get it right. They won last night, they beat,

I think they beat Butler by two points. So that's a good sign, but I'm going to focus back on the Huskies and what we'll figure it out. I promise you this, me and Ohio State, we're going to figure it out. My agent is Cam. I think once they see this and hear this,

and look, hey, I'm here. You get that back, baby. You just do it, man. You got no time to play no games, man. Let me know. I will say this, like, I'm being a nice guy right now. Like, I'll say this, and I say this in the most respectful way, right?

I think that, I just think the attitude and mentality that when I get around these young kids or I get around these coaches, I'm a nice guy, but I'm very ruthless and I'm very serious. And I think that these young guys pick that up. And I don't joke when I say I'm a winner. I win at most of the should I do, you know, so I went in business real hard.

I win being around Ohio State. Like I'm just, you know, I'm easy going and cool and humble. And I win when I go to UConn. And I'm not taking anything away from coaches or anybody. But I think when if I talked to the Jack Sawyer, Will Howard, when I talked to Jeremiah Smith and all these young kids, I think that I connect them in a way that influences them. When I do talk to them or they hear me, I challenge people and I talk about winning

all the fucking time and when you're on these stages, you know, just like when I was talking to Jeremiah last night, I said, you want to be a guy and I'm gonna give a fuck about what you did against Western Kentucky. Like nigga, what did you do when it really mattered? You know what I'm saying? And that's why when he came over to the sideline, he looked at me and he kind of looked at me like, yeah, motherfucker, that's what I did, bitch. So we have these moments.

So it's going to get figured out. And I'll say this, and I really mean this, there's a few different values. There's value that you get from money. There's value that few different values. There's value that you get from money. There's value that you get socially. There's value that you get from, you know, I've been away from this thing for 20 years, people trusting you, you know what I'm saying? But one thing I will say is that when you win

and you're viewed as the formula of winning, people who have sense says, hey, I need these ingredients in the pot to basically produce what we just produced. And so I don't have to tell these niggas I'm a winner. I'll fucking win. You know, when I came down there, I was winning, you know what I'm saying? And, um, and so, like I said, we, we gonna figure it out because they good people. Uh, and I'm looking forward to, you know,

continuing the relationship with Ohio State, Yukon and just winning their life. I told you, I told, I sent a message, I sent y'all a message. I said, yo, I told y'all I'll fucking win. I'm going to win this show. Like the fuck. You know what I'm saying, I told, I sent a message, I sent y'all a message. I said, yo, I told y'all I fucking win. I'm on a winning show. Like the fuck, you know what I'm saying? I win. That's what's up, man. And we love having you and we appreciate everything you bring to the table.

And before we move on, that attitude that you just talked about right now is what, it seems like UConn is missing because when they lost their last game, I don't remember who it was looking to. I was skimming through sports a couple days ago. Hurley's exact comment was, I need to learn how to take these nice, talented basketball players

and turn them into competitive savages. So basically, and that was his quote, so basically, he said he got a bunch of talent on the team, but where the dogs at, nigga? So go get that shit done, Mo. Go tell them niggas, what the fuck y'all doing, man? Go dunk on a nigga, slap a nigga, go get ejected, Draymond Green a nigga if you have to,

but they need to get back in the being competitive spirit because from Coach Hurley's, you know, it's almost verbatim, I wanna say. Nice, talented players to savage competitors competitors and that's a difference. Do you know we talked about this vaguely and I asked a question I don't know if we ever got to it I don't know if I put it in a hundred three and this never got answered but it was a time I went up there during the season and I came back and I asked that question but I'll ask you the question now he said said, how do you, he said,

one of the hardest things in recruiting now is that parents choose the adversity that their kids want to face. And so back in the day, if you came out the door of your building in Harlem, you had to face whoever was on the court, whoever they brought out there, whatever league you had to go into, you didn't choose it. He says, now what happens is you have so many parents who will basically put the kid on the AAU team and they choose the adversity and choose the league and decorate the videos. And so he says, by the time that they get to college,

you don't realize that the kid hasn't went through the ring or so of sorts, right? And so that's why I asked you and Mason, I don't know if I asked y'all this or if I thought about asking y'all this, but I was asking you like, how would you deal with that? Or like, I guess what's your thoughts on that? You know, I guess if I'm just asking an impromptu question.

Yeah, listen, that's a great question because I wish I saved this Instagram post I see. There was like something where there's like, your grandfather had to walk to school, and then your father drove a Nissan to school, and then you're gonna drive a Range Rover, and your kid's gonna drive a Lamborghini, and his kid's gonna drive a Civic,

and his kid's gonna be broke. Because hard times make hard people as well. Like when you sit there, and that's a great question, because when you sit there and say, let's just use my upbringing, for example. I grew up in Harlem, and anywhere in the New York City. Let's just take this for example. If you're from a project in New York City, right,

it's not the average, the only other place I've seen like this is Chicago, where it's 25 or more floors in the project, right? So you sit there and you live in this apartment and it's seven or eight or nine other apartments on that floor. Then you times that by 30. Then you times that by 10

because it's 10 buildings in your projects. So now imagine all the personalities you have to deal with. Whether you wanna deal with them or not deal with them, you have to see these people every day just to go home. So when you're talking about adversity, it's not just about sports or anything. It's about, yo, I want to find a better way to get out this shit, because I hate this nigga.

Like, it's a question to jump off topic. Somebody say, Keir, would you rather have the money and problems or no money and be cool with everybody? I said, where I'm from, give me the money and the problems, because growing up, it's niggas you ain't gonna like anyway, and you ain't even gonna know why you don't like them when you live in New York. It's a nigga that right now,

that if we see each other, we just gonna stare at each other. We've been staring at each other for 35 years. We don't know why. I don't even know why we been ice grilling each other. We just live up the block, off from down the block. We just walk past each other like this for 30 years. And I know in his brain, he like, I wish this nigga do something.

And in my brain, I'm like, I wish this nigga do something. And we don't even know why. One day I'm gonna ask the nigga, why don't we like each other? And cause then we'll finally have a convoy and be like, I don't even know, killer, I don't know what the fuck, you been looking at me for 30 years,

I'm like, you been looking at me for 30 years, doesn't end up being stupid, but that's just the mentality of where we from. Like I grew up in a project, and I grew up in a tenement, but my grandmother lived in a big building, I hung out with a lot of niggas in the projects. And these projects I used to be in,

I won't name them, because I ain't trying to start no shit. But one side of the projects, and you fuck with the other side of projects. And it's like, yo, just the other side of the projects. It's the same projects on the east side, but this side don't fuck with this side. And I was like, yeah, fuck them niggas. And then when you grow up, you don't have to be like,

what the fuck are we not fucking with these niggas for? And they might have been more to that than I'm explaining, but it's just, you know, but at the end of the day, that's the environment you grew up in. So back to answer your question, Mo, when it's like adversity, you're right, because a lot of times you didn't have fathers in your life or you didn't, you didn't met

the, our parents didn't have the opportunities that we had. So when we have, when we have situations where we say, yo, my son is, didn't grow up at home. My son puts in his bio, in his bio on his Instagram, I'm not from Harlem and I can't help you get a record deal. in his bio on his Instagram, I'm not from Harlem and I can't help you get a record deal. He, I'm not on that side, I didn't grow up in Harlem. He wants you to know I don't care, I can't do nothing for you, I'm not that nigga

that they call Mark, that's my father. I'm not gonna help you. But I like that, I don't want him growing up where I grew up at. He doesn't play sports but the diversity's different. When you're sitting there and you're like, this is an opportunity for me to get out the environment I'm in, you're gonna go hard.

When you're sitting there going hard, but you still coming home to a two-bed, two-floor apartment, gated community, everything else, you're still in a comfortable environment, so how hard are you gonna go? That's basically on you to wanna say, all right, I'm living good, but I still wanna be the best I can be.

Not only that, it's, with kids are figuring ways out to get money, so now it's not even all about going pro, now it's about trying to get the best NIL deal. You wasn't on the show, but we was talking about Stat had bought up how this new quarterback from Georgia is going to Miami. Carson Beck.

And he has $10 million guaranteed next year. That's more than some NFL, a lot of NFL players are going to get. So now what is it? Is it about making it pro or is it about getting the most money you can get? And I don't know the answer to that because think about this, Carson Beck get 10 million for one year and he fuck around and be Johnny Manziel and don't know the answer to that, because think about this, Carson Beck get 10 million for one year, and he fuck around and be Johnny Manziel, and don't be shit, but he like, well, at least I cashed in before I wasn't shit,

for niggas found out, for the gig is up, I grabbed me 12, 13 million, I got a couple million in Georgia, I'm gonna grab 10 here, and now you fuck around and be Johnny Manziel, and they ain't shit, or the nigga Daniels from the Giants, even though he cashed out, got a big check. But at least before the gig is up,

if he ain't shit, you grab some money and that gives you a good start in life. So I was long-winded with the answer you gave me because I don't know the exact answer, but it's about your environment. They're not just about your environment. It's about how hard you wanna go. Because a lot of kids these days are growing up

in two-parent homes, which is sensational, which is dope, because I didn't. But I don't know. I have no, I like what I said, but it's like, I don't have the exact answer, because to me, environment matters, parenting matters, and I yell matters, how far do you want to go? You might get a nigga who said,

all right, I did this a couple years, I don't like it no more. Andrew Bino, nigga won a couple of chips, man said, I'm out. Everybody thought Andrew Bino was bugging. Nigga really broke out and dyed his hair blonde, said, I wanted to fuck with Kobe and them talking about, man, I ain't got time for this.

They telling me not to pull pause from three, I'm leaving. And really left, I can't believe this shit. So you don't know what's inside a player's mind, mentality, et cetera. So sorry I was long-winded about that. Sorry, sorry. To your point, yeah, it is about somebody's drive. The quote that you were saying,

so my grandfather walked 10 miles to work every day. My father walked five miles. I'm driving a Cadillac. My son is in a Mercedes. My grandson will be in a Ferrari, but my great-grandson will be walking again. Right, exactly. So you guys are up to speed with what we're talking about.

Because yeah, even if all the things around you are great, if you don't have that drive to really want it, then you're gonna end up walking again, no matter what resources are given to you. And to your point about Carson Beck, again, happy he's getting all this money, but Maurice, I'm happy that you guys could enjoy a championship win and potentially back to back,

because meanwhile we had a Pop-Tart Bowl and we got a new quarterback who, I don't know what's going on over there. She ain't feeling Carson Beck now. I'm really not. Niggas had a nigga nigga quarterback and niggas don't like it now. I know that they got a, not a nigga nigga no more.

Ken Ward came in there, fucked the culture up. They like, it's going back to what it used to be. We'll see what happens. Stop hating on a nigga. She trying to do it politely, but she ain't feeling Carson back. I have to ask Mike how he's feeling because we gotta be on the same accord, but right?

Because listen, you gotta listen, man. The shit Ken Ward did was sensational this year. I didn't know about him until he got to Miami. Not only sensational, when he interviewing, he tell you a nigga on ESPN by accident. See, Stata's a nigga, she just don't like being like, she like all that nigga, she a cute nigga. She like, yo, all that, she like when niggas say nigga.

She like that the nigga Ken Ward bought the offensive line, diamond chains and all, that's nigga shit. So she gonna miss it, you know what I'm saying? That's what's going on. He's not wrong. It's the truth. We all liked it though. I loved it, I loved it.

She was right there, we all liked it. Like nobody wanted to see this chain, see him chilling on South Beach with his girlfriend that's on the basketball team Like it just brought our felt like it brought our value down not to be dramatic But that's how it's feeling so I don't I don't know how next season is gonna be but we still love Miami It wasn't strong cuz I can't go like that's not what it is it's different It wasn't strong because I can't go like this because that's not what it is. It's different

Anyways, y'all we're gonna go to break when we return we will talk about Nick Saban's biggest regret. Don't go anywhere She called this thing about toxic Four years I'm counting Got you feeling like a option Maybe I'm my own problem babe She tired of hearing I don't know What's up and then me won't fall Killing with this thing called trust But she really thinkin' my heart wanna be free

Why am I here, this one's a way free Hell, I don't wanna see her walk away I wish somebody told me the rules disagreements let a win Welcome back now, let's get into our underdog picks of the day So tomorrow the Timberwolves will play the Mavs underdog has Anthony Edwards at 26 and a half points Do you have them higher or lower? Man, it's a good one Luca isn't playing so I'm not sure you know.

Ant-Man was talking shit about Kyrie moving into the playoffs last year. Kyrie kind of cuck niggas. Luka ain't there I'm gonna go higher. I'm gonna go higher. Okay Rudy Gobert is at 10 and a half rebounds do you have them higher or lower? I go ahead and make a Rudy Gobert, Rudy Yogurt.

I've never seen a big man so soft pause like, I don't know, I think I shot a brick from the, 10 rebounds, yeah, that should be, that should be, you ain't say 10 points, I get 10 rebounds. Yeah, that should be that should be on you say 10 points I get 10 rebounds will go higher Okay, that whole thing was crazy. But you know, I usually don't say anything so we don't let you What did I say? You never seen a big man so soft you see them shoot a brick. That was crazy That's crazy. I thought I was safe. No

I'm glad you involved. Nobody gets passes. Okay, okay. Woo! Let's do it. Like what? Kyrie, I'm good. I ain't gonna say nothing.

I said pause though, but sometimes if it's extra, the pause doesn't work. But okay, but okay. No problem with that, let's do it. Kyrie Irving's at 36 and a half points, rebounds and assists, do you have them higher or lower? This should be higher, Luke ain't there, so I'm gonna go higher.

Okay, if you guys like these picks, remember you always get a free pick if you're not already on Underdog, so make sure to support the show, sign up now, and you can make your picks too. So Nick Saban says his biggest regret of his career was leaving LSU to go to the NFL and coach the Dolphins He said I found out in that experience that I like coaching in college better because you could develop players personally academically and Athletically so Maurice gonna have you go first

What do you think about what Nick Saban had to say and And then if you were coaching, would you rather coach NFL or college? Yeah, I think he said the the correct answer he has more power in college and you have to take Context into what he's in the era that he was talking about, you know You go to college you could tell somebody to do what you want You have all the leverage to make them go to class, the time that they spend on the field, the things they do in the weight room and just his personality and how I think that he believes that he can get something accomplished.

It works well with college kids. When you go to the professional level, you're now talking to men who don't have to abide by and say any and everything that you say Uh how guys spend their free time if they're really committed to the sport Uh cam just told you before the gig is up There's a lot of people that when you get to the professional ranks either the gig is up A guy doesn't become interested or just that sort of like a old school sergeant slaughter mentality of how you lead It just doesn't work. And so you say, Hey, man, am I doing this just to coach a ball or do I actually care

about these other elements of kids lives? And you start to, I think, I think with more things you start to say, is my life force worth me spending in an NFL or do I want to go down here to these younger kids and I'm able to coach the way I want to have influence and have leverage. And so I think that's it. And if I coach, I will go to college. I just think that you could have a bigger impact on just young guys, kind of for those same reasons. But I just think like, I'd still rather deal

with just younger guys who are just trying to develop a life. Real quick, Cam, before you go, Maurice, I kind of wanted to attest to what you said. I was going to say it earlier, but we kind of flip flopped different conversations. The impact you make on so many people and players specifically, I know you're just doing your thing and doing what you love,

but people are always talking about how much you've changed their life, even from collegiate level to the pros. My friends that play the NBA are always like, Maurice is such a good guy, he helped me out so much. So I just wanted to kind of give you your praise with that because you do help a lot of people out and they always remember the motivational things that you say.

And even to me, like you've kind of take like a mentorship position and you're always making sure people are kind of good throughout their careers. So want to attest to that, especially if you know, if you want to do anything else later down the line, people need to know how much you impact, you know, people who are in their field. So I definitely wanted to give you your flowers with that. So I see your reasoning behind that. And then Cam.

Can I just finish that? Of course. So Cam, how do you feel about what Nick Saban had to say and then would you rather coach NFL or at the college level? First of all, Nick Saban is a fucking power control freak pause, man. That's all this is fucking about, man. You know, can tell them niggas in the NFL power control freak pause, man. That's all this is fucking about, man.

You know, you can tell them niggas in the NFL what you wanted to do and they wasn't listening to you. Then what happened is, a lot of niggas know if you go to Alabama, that you're gonna go to the NFL, or it's a good chance you're gonna go to the NFL. His tenure in Alabama, 133 players went to the NFL. I think he had something like 44 first round picks over his tenure at Alabama.

So when you're sitting there saying, dear I wanna go to Alabama because I know where I'm gonna go after this. It's a great chance, fuck it with Nick Saban. We're gonna finish in the top five. We have a chance to have a national title. I get to showcase my skills, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. You know what the fuck happened?

NIL kicked it, niggas said, I quit. I can't fuck with it, no, I'm out. Nah, niggas getting money in college. I don't want beer. I can't control these niggas no more. So I said, oh, no, I don't wanna beer. He's a control freak, so once motherfucking niggas, of course you can't control the niggas that are fell now.

Can he coach? Yes, but telling niggas what to do and once motherfuckin' niggas, of course you can't control the niggas in the NFL now, can he coach? Yes, but telling niggas what to do and getting sassy pause with niggas or getting aggressive with niggas and be like, yo, what you talking to? Nigga, I'm a grown man. Yo, ex-a-know me out and do the plays and watch your mouth,

because I'm a man. And when he was in college before NIL, he probably was talking crazy to niggas. I bet you we could call a bunch of players and they'd be like, yeah, the nigga was talking crazy. I ain't gonna lie, the nigga was talking wild. But then when NIL kicked in, and he lost niggas like Travis Hunter,

even though Travis Hunter was gonna go to Florida State anyway, and he couldn't get these big recruits because niggas was all for money, he lost the control and he said, I quit. Yeah, he liked college better because he couldn't control niggas, but as soon as he couldn't control niggas like that and niggas' money in college,

he quit, he quit. So whatever, you know, me personally, I would rival Coach NFL, me personally, because even like in the business we're in now, or any business that I'm in, at this particular point in my life and the age I'm at, it's like, even let's say, that's why I don't deal with artists, I mean, not a lot of artists.

If I can help artists out here, music wise, and point them in the right direction, this, that, and the third, then I will. But if you ain't Justin Beaver or Justin Timberlake, I don't wanna deal with it. Too much to deal with rappers. I ain't got time to teach you how to do a hook or count your bars or do skiing.

Look, I do professional, I'm not elementary school. Nigga come meet me, I'll do a hook. I don't got time for that. You know what I'm saying? I really don't, you know what I'm not a professional, I'm not elementary school. Nigga come to me, yo, how I do a hooker. I don't got time for that. You know what I'm saying? I really don't, you know what I'm saying? Even like Stat, Stat coming ready to go when I met her. She was good to go. If I had to teach her, I couldn't have did it.

I don't got time to teach her how to be a moderator. Look, she was ready. I don't even know how to teach her how to be a moderator. I just know what's good. So the point being is me personally, I went around and coached NFL, but I think it's two things. Nick Saban lost control, and he trying to trick Deion not to go to the NFL.

He's trying to hit you with, nah, don't go there, it's crazy. Because if Deion's successful in the NFL and he wasn't, looks like Deion's on another plateau. Now Deion has not nearly had the success that Nick Saban has had in coaching Division I college football, but he only been there two years.

He's predicted to win two games last year, he won four. He's predicted to win four games this year. He ended up winning nine or something like that. Made it to a bowl game, which they didn't think he was gonna make the Pro Bowl. Now all of a sudden, the Cowboys is hitting niggas. I think this is all a spin, they doing Aflac commercials together,

now DL, you don't need all that. Ah, stop, let Pro do what Pro wanna do, and don't stop throwing that salt in the air, Nick. You lost control in college, and now you trying to act like the NFL ain't all that. I think he's a control freak that lost control, pause, and I don't like it. Me personally, I would coach the NFL though,

because that way I'm dealing with adults instead of having to deal with kids. I don't have time for a Jameis Winston stealing crab legs out of fucking Publix, and then have to deal with the athletic director and everything else and be like, yo, let's try and get it to a Mr. Me. Listen, college is tricky. College is real tricky.

I got kicked out of college, pistol whipping a nigga. You know what I'm saying? Cause I read shorted, I had too much time on my hands and then I got hurt and then college is also dangerous. That shit, higher learning is serious. You know what I'm saying? I don't know if y'all seen that movie, but I was in college.

My school, now think about this. I went to a school called Navarro Junior College in Corsica in Texas. Our school was across the street, or not directly, a few blocks away from some Crip projects. And we wore red for our uniforms. And they used to drive on campus and tell niggas, yo, take your jerseys off when y'all leave practice,

when y'all walk into, who the fuck you talking to now? No, Andrew, this is 1994. I'm thinking the only gang members is on TV, because it wasn't a lot of Bloods and Crips in New York at the time. I'm like, I'm looking at people from TV, the gang people. They right here. Man, I'm not taking my from TV, the gang people. They right here.

Man, I'm not taking my jersey off, bro. You're wildin'. And this is when you go to Walmart and grab a pistol and everything else, and I didn't know it was that serious, which eventually I learned it was that serious, but I only knew about gangs in California at the time. But school can be dangerous.

It can be dangerous. They got shootouts on campus, on tape and shit when I was there. I'm dealing with the adults. You've lived a life. Like, I have so many questions about your college experience. Yeah, yeah, Navarro Junior College, man. Cross the county, Texas. Shot all them, the Bulldogs, man, down there, man.

Cause meanwhile, like my college had like barber shops, nail salons. Well, you went to a university. I meanwhile, like my college had like barber shops, nail salons. When you went to university. I was, you know what's crazy? I was actually supposed to go to the university in Miami. You know, we touched on this briefly. I ain't passed my SATs. Not only did I not pass my SATs,

I didn't go back to school once basketball season was over. I thought they could get me in there anyway. Wish they could, but they got me into junior college and my plan was supposed to go there for a year or two and then go to Miami, but I ended up being a rapper. Yeah. This is fine. Yeah, no, that's great.

Yeah, yeah. I'm happy. Yeah, me too, I'm very happy too. My career would have been over playing professional sports a long time ago. I flipped wood and quadruped with this motherfucker. No doubt. Word. No doubt. Word.

So Cam Newton talks about his struggles with no longer being Superman to his eight kids after losing his NFL salary. He said, being in the NFL, everyone knows there's a large sum of money that comes to you in a short span of time. And being away from the game for three years, those checks don't come in the same.

I got eight kids, it hurts me knowing that I can't provide like I once did, and it hurts thinking that I'm Superman, but in reality, I'm just a man. Maurice, how do you feel about what Cam Newton had to say, and then just losing NFL salary over time when you're not actively playing? I don't feel sorry for losing the NFL salary

what happens to people who quit playing? But you know, that's just lifestyle. Yeah, like, yeah, that's real. Motherfuckers made a hundred million dollars. Like, don't nobody feel bad for a nigga who made a hundred million dollars, right? You know what I'm saying but what I thought about what I thought about just lifestyle and just anybody who had money he probably just had his kids whatever they wanted whatever came up like he probably just bought and did whatever and what ends up happening is that the threshold

for what a kid understands is normal like you know motherfuckers be buying out Disney World and taking all type of extravagant trips and doing all types of crazy shit, right? And you know, once you get done, you have to adjust back to life. That shit is like, what business do you have? What cash do you have producing? And how do you manage your day to day finances, right? So you started these habits, probably with these kids that they just expect to keep on coming.

And even with his children's mothers, and I'm just I'm making assumptions you know I'm saying as to probably child support you paying and other things like that and so at times where he probably just was like hey man shit's getting tight because when you can't do you're not standing like regular fucking homes the cars and all that stuff that goes into lifestyle because you still have an image to project and all this other stuff and so I just know how when you get in a bunch of money, you can fuck up a bunch of money just because you're not counting it. And what he was really saying when I seen that clip is that like, Hey, I used to fuck up a bunch of money on my kids and now I just can't do reckless shit.

But I've created a habit of them believing that probably whatever they bought and get are just whatever I can imagine. And I'm pretty sure a lot of people been through that shit, but that's one, that's how people end up running into financial situations. I'm not saying that this is his situation, but not to watch the whole thing, the whole interview, just for context.

But hey, he's aware of it, I hope he addresses it. And I wouldn't want to see him go broke or fucked up. So that's my two cents on it. I say, yo, I love that take Mo because he made a hundred thirty three million over his NFL career. That's not even dealing with endorsements when he was with Under Armour or Nike or whatever. And you know what would be crazy to me, Mo? I know niggas who had a hundred million and shit. I've never had a hundred million dollars.

And niggas be calling me, asking me for a loan. I'll be like, yo, you had a hundo. What are you talking about? You had a hundo at one time, a couple times. Can I lend, no. Yo, yo, my man, no, no. I'm getting a little pet peeved about it right now, thinking about the shit.

You had a hundo a couple times, can I lend you? Anyway, sorry, just a little personal shit that when you said you had a hundo, I was gonna sorry for you, man. I dig that. I thought, and I like that take, because I was going somewhere else and you gave me a flashback. You had a hundo. This century. It ain't like you had a hundo in 1983, son. You had a hundo this century. It's hard to feel bad, but what I will say about this for Cam Newton, on a serious note, I was serious about that because I'm not Cam Newton, I was just thinking

about some other shit, is that what I will give Cam Newton credit for is the humility for him saying that. A lot of niggas will be like trying to act like they still on this high and this that and I don't think Cam Newton is broke whatsoever, I just think that he can do things that he used to do. And it's probably bad because I remember Kobe, God bless the dead, playing his last game with the Lakers. And he had 60 points, I believe, or something like that. And his his daughter was like, dad, dad I've never seen you do that before because now

she was old enough to start understanding basketball and getting it and it was like damn it's the tail end of his career so one of his youngest daughters didn't get to understand how much of a mega superstar he is and when you get to that point where your kids are understanding what you do and you can't do the things you used to do, it's like damn, man, it kind of probably bothers you. Like let's take my son for instance, right? But Tom, my son was probably four or five years old. He'd probably been on seven tours, eight tours. Cam was with me on tour after tour, back to back tour, city to city.

Everywhere I went, he went. Every summer, every weekend, whether he's in school, if he ain't have school, he was with me. So with Tom, I kinda slowed down doing music probably the time I was 2011, 12, I was just doing all the business and stuff, and he'd be like, Dad, you're not doing the show? You're not doing the show? I'm like, nah, Cam, I was just doing all the business and stuff and he'd be like, Dad, you're not doing the show?

You're not doing the show? I'm like, nah, I came on, I'm off then. He's like, why you ain't doing shows? And I'm like, because I'm not a budget of my money and I don't have to go out there for pennies, thank God. You know what I'm saying? Right now, we're not in a space where we're making the money getting shows, can't we?

We made eight, nine, seven, eight years ago. But we good, nigga, what you want to do? But at the end of the day, he had to question that. Now the crazy shit is moving forward. Ten, another 10, 15 years later. Now I'm getting more money than I get into my height. Now I ain't going to say that now I'm exaggerating, but I'm getting wild bread. Like when niggas call me for shows, that's what I'll be like.

Niggas be like, yo, uh, and I'm not bragging about this. I'm not, this is not to brag. It's just about the work ethic, the nostalgia that's going on with things that went on in the early 2000s, late 90s, and the testament of younger people wanting to know about that nostalgia that, I get a pretty good penny to do a show. And if I don't get what I asked for, I don't go.

Because I'm just fortunate enough to be in that position not to have to go if I don't want to go. But I understand where he's coming from, but you got to hundo. So I think that he's good financially. I don't know what to ever, but yeah, you're gonna have to budget if you're not getting the same money that you got.

And to your point, Mo, when you get money in the beginning of your career, you think that's the way life's gonna be, especially as a musician. That's why I say I love the way my career went music wise more than anything in the world because my first album came out, my first two albums, they went gold.

But you gotta think about it, I'm around niggas like Murdo, who's selling three, four million. So gold for people that don't know is 500,000. Platinum is a million sales. So I'm like, I wasn't even happy with the shit. I sold two gold albums and then I didn't really know the business.

I'm getting jerked around. That's how the fuck I ended up in Columbus. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's playing my money. I had to go bust some moves and shit. But the end of the day, I figured it out and I got another opportunity to say, OK, I learned the business. I know what's going on. So if I get it right this time around, I got to think about how this is going to go. Because, listen, when you're 20,

30's a million miles away. You know, I ain't nowhere in 30, man. When you're, yeah. But then when you're 30, 40's a million miles away. Then when you're 40, well, that should go quick. Like you gotta think about this, right?

Like how status like 30's a million miles away. I'm at status she 21, she gonna be 24 in a couple months. That's how quick it go. Wouldn't even think that we was hanging out for two, three years already, but it goes that fast. So she like, yeah, but you're gonna be 25 next year, Stata. So you're just 20, 21, and then look,

you're halfway to 30, and let me tell you something, when you're 25, you're closer to 30 than you are to 20. Keep that in mind. Yeah, good food for thought. And then, I mean, just to Cam Newton's defense, like kinda like you said, I do think it's cool that he was really transparent about what was going on, because a lot of people do try to hide that.

Like, obviously when you live a certain lifestyle, you wanna maintain that. I only think of just about it all, it's just like, I mean I know you can do whatever you want, but you know, eight kids, eight kids is a lot. So trying to provide for eight kids, I feel like, you know what, as long as he's doing his best, hey.

Hey, I'm gonna say this to that point too, so at least he ain't denying the motherfuckers. Yeah. Niggas out here denying after about three, and he's like, yo, listen, where's the blood test at, man? What the fuck going on now? I'd have, Shorty, I'd have vasectomy, I'm sure, I don't know what the fuck you talking about.

That ain't my, all type of shit's coming out the world, works out the world, so the fact that he's claiming them, I'm saluting for that too. I don't know if you tried not to claim him though. No, he claims them. No, no, no, what I'm saying is, initially, you know a nigga like, give me the blood test, man. Yeah.

Give me the blood test. It's funny, and I'm not being this to be funny, but it's hilarious because it's a meme that goes around, it's kind of old, where Paul George is holding his kid, and shout out to Paul George too, there's not no dist towards him, it's just funny, because Paul George didn't believe it, and I'm pretty sure his kid is probably seven or eight now,

but he was holding his baby and he was saying to the baby mother originally, because this was when he was young, that he didn't want to have the baby and so on and so forth, he wasn't sure if it was his, but he's holding the baby and the baby and so forth. He wasn't sure if it's his, but he's holding a baby and the baby's looking at him like with this face. And then the caption was,

wasn't you trying to kill me, nigga? Shhh. I didn't make that up. You can probably Google it and see it, but what's going on out there, niggas? I salute a nigga for claiming responsibility. Google it! I ain't gonna Google it.

You ain't gonna think I made this up. Google it. Make sure it pop right up. I'm one of my kids. Shout out to Cam Newen. That's all the time that we have for today. Shout out to Cam Newen. That's all the time that we have for today. Maurice, pleasure to have you in again.

Congratulations, man. Appreciate you, man. My man. I do want to say something before I go. It's totally off topic. I seriously mean this. I know you talked about your run and stuff being nostalgic, but I'm gonna speak for the fans,

I speak for everybody else. You know what I really think that people actually do enjoy? No, I always say this, when I look at you and Mace, and I just be saying to myself, I said, what is it that you like actually like, right? And I think it's a portion of our culture who influenced us when we was younger,

that you never get a chance to see them grow up. I know that it may sound corny and crazy, but seeing you grow up or seeing Mase grown up, like it's like when black people, we get lost. They disappear. They just like, like niggas who used to have so much influence over you or used to steal stuff from, you know, so I think I can speak for the fans

and everybody else. I think that's a part of it. Just watch the dudes grow up as fun. Yeah, and listen Mo, that goes for you as well. A lot of people, I'm not gonna say a lot of people, a lot of people do it and a lot of people don't. I think that you being on this platform and people see how mature you are

and how much you bring to the show, not just personality wise, helping us with throughout the week, sending us topics, sending topics before you come to the show, not just personality wise, helping us with throughout the week, sending us topics, sending topics before you come on the show. There's a lot of things that you do behind the scenes that people don't know. And to see your growth from the time you were growing up and playing high school to college football to today,

I think a lot of people need to go watch Maurice Cloret's 30 for 30 special on ESPN if you can find it or wherever it's streaming at to see where Mo went through to where he's at today. You'd be like, get the fuck out of here. The nigga from It Is What It Is, that's him on the 30 for 30. Nah, that ain't that nigga.

The wild nigga, that's him. So, the shoot, the motor story, I feel the same way about you, man. I'm so happy for your growth and where you're at today. There we go. If anybody do want to check it out, it's on Disney, it's called Youngstown Boys. So, it's called Youngstown Boys on Disney Plus

or whatever the app is called. Y'all need to go check that out soon as this show is over. You'd be like, nah, get the fuck out of here. That was moat. 30 for 30 Youngtown boys, super dope. They edited, the director, the editor is a super dope. One of the best 30 for 30s I've seen. Fire. Well, thank y'all all for watching.

And as always, it is what it is. Thanks for watching guys!