IT IS WHAT IT IS - OJ TRYING TO BE LIKE CAM, MA$E'S FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE IS SLEPT ON & WEEK 11 RECAP | IIWII EP#49

Episode Date: November 20, 2023

Cam'ron, Ma$e & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson and THE JUICE O.J Simpson kick us off for Ep 49 of “It Is What It is” Season 2! ***NEW MERCH** Shop the Come And Talk 2 Me Store....https://comeandtalk2me.com  Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Support the show and sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code CAM and get a $100 first deposit match, and a Special Pick'em pick. Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson.

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along with their hosts, Mace and Cam. What up, man? How you doing? What's up, man? Spoke to Drama yesterday. How is he taking it? That's crazy. That's wild if we're starting off a Monday morning like this. He told me to tell you that you're

more like Mike Kizer than Kizer Sosa. Shout out to Mike Kizer. I spoke to Mike Kizer the other day. Shout out to Mike, but his exact text was tell Mace I seen the show. Also, for y'all who don't know, we're doing shows now on Sundays. It is what it is.

Pardon me. It is what it is. It's now officially six days a week. We're coming on Sundays at 11 a.m. Eastern time. Get your picks with Underdog Fantasy with me and Mace are thinking before the games come on. But, yeah, he seen yesterday's show, and he said, Tell Mace relax.

He's more like Michael Kaiser than Kaiser Sose because I don't know if you guys seen it Mace was kind of getting a drama on his football knowledge and he said drama on Kaiser Sose so that was his message to y'all know if you want a rebuttal later on during the show or if you want to save

it I'm not going to make this an ongoing thing. We love you, Drum. Shout out to the affiliates, my boy Lake Show and DJ Cannon. Yes, sir. But somebody told me to tell you something. Okay, what is it?

I can't wait. I live for this shit. They said, X-Can, what did he mean by, he can get you duct tape and butt rape? Oh,

he's going back to lyrics. Here we go. See, what I say is- What was your mindset when you wrote that? What were you thinking? Well, listen, man, what I tell you is this, and a lot of people What was your mindset when you wrote that? What were you thinking?

Well, listen, man, what I tell you is this. And a lot of people may not know, man. And it's not cool these days, I'm going to be honest for you. But y'all should go Google a nigga named Preacher. If you don't know, it's a guy named Preacher that used to be in Harlem. And the Bronx. That was a good one right there, Killer. And when he kidnapped people,

pause. He did some horrific things to them. So when I was writing that rhyme, I was kind of, I was in a preacher state of mind, which I shouldn't have been. I'm not saying I should have. But if you Google preacher, these were kind of the things that he was doing to people.

Now, what I'll say about his rap is this. What I want to say about rap is this. Everything can't be about me. Sometimes when you write lyrics, you know, you got one life. So sometimes you may take story, and I'm not talking about the lyrics because that was a good one.

I like that. If this is what we're doing, I got some notes. Before the show's over, I'll be asking you a couple questions as well because I saved them for a moment just like this. I'll be asking you a couple questions as well because I saved them for a moment just like this. I got a couple notes.

I got a couple notes. We could do an episode on this during the week if you like. We could do a whole episode on over and under. But what I'm saying is this about rap is that you get one life and I'm not talking about the lyrics to Mesa.

I'm just saying in general. So sometimes and you ought to realize I have eight solo albums. I executive produce, I believe, 12 albums

or featured on, I don't know, at Mariah to carry, Mariah carried I don't know if I say R. Kelly. I don't even know if you can say R. But I can say it.

Can you say it? R? The R. So I'm on, shit, I'm on probably, I think the last time I checked, like, five years ago, $40 million, $50 million worth of sales. More of the story is this, that sometimes when I write stuff,

I got a song called I Hate My Job. I never had a job. I don't even consider this a job. This shit is mad fun. I love coming up here with you guys and talking shit and all that other shit. But I had a song called I Hate My Job because I was just doing it

from the average person who has a job. So I'm not making excuses for the lady. I know where she's going. I know you're trying to say, from the average person who has a job. So I'm not making excuses for the lady. It seems like I'm... I know where she's going. I know you're trying to say, Cam, you're going on and on and on. I dig it.

I was waiting for the cat to jump. I'm not being long-winded about this. To be short, to cut this short, I was watching one of Preacher's situations. So if you don't know who Preacher from Harlem is, you can Google it. But that's definitely unacceptable. Whoever called makes you a sucker-ass nigga, too.

Niggas from Ohio keep sending me this. As much love as I show Ohio. Y'all motherfuckers. Niggas like Cam ain't really from here. Y'all niggas, man. I bought so much light to this thing. This is what y'all do to me. It's all good.

I seem like you in bad paws with these niggas from Ohio. Y is what y'all do to me. It's all good. I seem like you went bad paws with these niggas from Ohio. Y'all niggas got the catalog. It's all real. It's all good. We're off to a lovely start. And today we are joined

with our football analyst, OJ. OJ, what's good? How y'all doing, man? It's a good day for me. Oh, here we go. Here we go. The 49ers, my fantasy team? It's a good day for me. Oh, here we go. Here we go. The 49ers, my fantasy team. It was a good day.

I mean, I ain't even talking about USC. I don't want to discuss it. USC and our number one crosstown rivals, UCLA. It was embarrassing. I'm embarrassed by it. But, hey, it is what it is. And next year, I think we're going to have a whole new – well, the coach should still be there.

I'm hoping he stays there, Lincoln Riley. But he's going to bring in some help. And like Sanders has to do in Colorado to bring in some linemen, offense and defense, our coach has got to bring in some defensive players. So that was only bad news this weekend, USC losing to our arch rival UCLA. Well, you know, O, we didn't get to talk about you last week. Yeah.

When they lost, the Bills, that is. Before we get into any footballers, I'll say this, O, is that I just want to say thank you, first of all, because I was talking to our mutual friend and he was telling that you've been doing research on us and getting more familiar with us over the last few weeks. That's how you knew about the basketball clips and the raps and everything. Yo, O, I really appreciate you doing the due diligence because we knew about you before you got here and you fuck with us to want to know who we are. And what I'm taking from that is you want to dress like me at this point. Now you want to have a blue shirt on,

one button open, and now you actually want to be like me all the way down. So I appreciate you doing the due diligence, but please don't come to work dressed like me anymore, please. I'm not into the twinning. I don't like twinning with anybody. So let's start coordinating to where we're not dressed like this much.

Yeah, Bob, make sure you put a picture of OJ and Killer side by side. Yeah, I'm going to start bringing an extra shirt and tie. I don't really like tie. I like your swag, though. I'm just saying this wearing an extra shirt and tie. I don't really like tying it. I like your swag, though. I'm just saying this is just a little too much. Well, I like what Mace is wearing, even though that is not what you had last Sunday, is it? Oh, he's trying to say he's reaping it. I hope you're not reaping it, man.

I'm curious. I hope you're not reaping it. Oh, get a close up. Oh, it's your door. That's what it's up, man. Maybe a different color, I guess. Yeah. Okay. So now let's get into the football. OJ, obviously you had a great day weekend.

The Bills smoked the Jets 32 to six. This was an important game for both teams, bringing the Bills to a six and five record. So how'd you feel about that game? And then also, did you see the post game fight in the locker room? I didn't see any fights because I, you know, we were watching a bunch of other games and I had to drive home uh after the game but it was important i thought if the bills actually last week when they lost to the broncos i thought that might have been it for the bills i thought maybe they wouldn't even make the playoffs as a wild card uh i was worried about the jets because uh they just

beat them they beat them last year at the end of the season with some guy named White at quarterback. And they beat them earlier this year with Wilson, whatever the guy's name is, at quarterback, Zach Wilson. So I was really worried about the game. I was surprised the Bills did as well. The only good thing that happened last week is when it was over, they finally got rid of that offensive coordinator, Ken Dorsey,

who I thought didn't have a clue how to actually run an offense. He may know football. A lot of guys know football, but that don't mean they know how to run an offense. You couldn't, it seems like everything they did was to set josh allen up to do something spectacular and it didn't appear to me as if he had a clue about uh developing a running game uh last week if you recall uh the bills at one point ran the ball eight straight times they went

right down the field and scored a touchdown and they came right back ran the ball eight straight times. They went right down the field and scored a touchdown. And they came right back throwing the ball again. If you see the great teams, they're almost even in their running and their passing. The Bills weren't, unless you think about Josh Allen scrambling as a run. But anyway, they blew that game. The good news was later that day, they fired that offensive coordinator. I assumed that they would be a little confused today. I knew the new guys in charge of the offense knew they had to do something different. Now, I couldn't tell you exactly what they were thinking

today, but they look like a better football team today. They control the ball on offense, gave the defense time to rest, and the defense pretty much took over the game. So a team that they haven't been able to beat, they beat convincingly today. So as far as the Bills are concerned, I'm happy. We talked about this. I actually picked the Jets

to win this game because I didn't know. I thought so too. Yeah, I didn't know where the team mindset was going to be at after firing the offensive coordinator. And I think they actually used him for a scapegoat because they wasn't playing good.

And listen, I'm going to take your word because you're following the Bills 24 hours a day, seven days a week. You know where they eat, sleep, shit, everything about the Bulls, the Bills. So I'm going to take your word for it. But I was thinking about it because I'm saying, look, they're firing their offensive coordinator because they're not doing good. They just hired him a year ago. They fired, I think it was Brian DeBow. He was the offensive coordinator before he got there.

He was the scapegoat last time. So I was saying to myself, they're looking for somebody to blame. But what I did see, because I watched a lot of this game until it just got out of hand and you knew who was going to win, was that Josh Allen was going over to the offensive coordinator

more than the head coach during the timeouts. And it looked like they had a good rapport. It looked like they was communicating to where even when the head coach walked over, he didn't even speak to the head coach. He was talking to the offensive coordinator during every single timeout. And I said, it seems like Josh Allen has a great rapport with this new offensive coordinator. I don't know if he had a problem with the last one.

I don't know if this new offensive coordinator is his man and this is who he wanted. But just from the body language, it looked like he had a better rhythm with him. And it showed today because the Jets have a great defense. For them to score this many points on the Jets and, you know, to blow them out in a crazy fashion like this, I think he has a better rapport with this new offense coordinator. Now, back to the Jets, though. Jets ain't shit, bro.

Like, yo, my nigga. What the fuck, B? Like, yo, you know, niggas is trying to fucking get. Niggas got hope for y'all. I let Mace think about it, but we always get on the Giants or the Knicks or we don't even fucking watch baseball like that, but we get mad when the Yankees don't make the playoffs.

And nobody was born to see the Jets win. All we see is black and white pictures and shit when niggas was holding up the trophy from Super Bowl II. Joe Namath was MVP. All this Broadway Joe shit. Oh, you the only nigga who's seen Broadway Joe. We don't know what the fuck Broadway Joe did.

You played against him. You played against Broadway Joe? My first professional game, league game, we played, the Buffalo Bills played the Jets. Jets coming off being Super Bowl champs. That was the third Super Bowl, incidentally. But the Jets was coming off of being the champions. And we played them the opening day of the season

in Buffalo. I couldn't believe when I saw Joe throw the ball because he was throwing curveballs and stuff. I couldn't believe when I saw Joe throw the ball because he was throwing curveballs and stuff. I couldn't believe it. I thought this guy was unbelievable at the time. Now, you know, his career was, the top of his career was kind of short because, you know, I mean, he ended up throwing way more

interceptions and touchdowns in his career and he kind of started moving around in the end. But we played them and they were tough. They were a good football team. They had a small defense that was quick as hell. I always would

rather play against a big defense. Big guys because they were easy to juke. Small guys, they were on you all the time. They had that type of defense. They were smaller guys who were quick as hell, and they pursued like you couldn't believe.

See, that's what I'm saying. I'm glad you went on and straightened out what you said, because when you first started off with that Ken Dorsey you think was a scapegoat, I was going to tell you, you don't know shit because Ken Dorsey did. He was the problem. My bad, baby.

You went right after that. My bad. All I was saying is that, look. Everything you said after that, you were right on. Yeah, I changed it up. Deebo didn that, look. You went right. Everything you said after that, you were right on. Yeah, I changed it up. Deebo didn't get fired. Deebo didn't get fired.

He went to coach the Giants. Okay, got you. Okay, got you. He went to coach the Giants. Okay. But this year is weird because a number of their defensive coach, the brother, geez, why can't I think of his name? He took a year off.

So he's not there coaching them. And then they had Ken Dorsey, who I, for two years now, have been kind of dogging him, probably dogging him too much. But I thought he was the problem with the offense. Well, it sounds like the boy, however you pronounce it,

should have stayed with the Bills because the Giants ain't shit either. But I'm glad we got you up here with your knowledge to tell us about when the Jets won. Because you said you played in Super Bowl III. I wasn't alive. I can tell you about WrestleMania III. I can't tell you about Super Bowl III.

So we appreciate your knowledge because us as New Yorkers don't know shit about the Knicks winning the championship, nor the Jets. And I got to give the Giants, the Yankees, even the Mets their credit. And no disrespect, but Buffalo is near Canada, so we don't really even count Buffalo as the city. It's the state, definitely. It's the only New York team.

Come on, man. It's the only team that plays in New York. Listen, but I'll tell you, that's a great point. I like that because for those that don't know the United States, the Giants and the

Jets, they actually play in New Jersey. But the part of New Jersey they play in is 15 minutes from New York City. So you average out of 15 minutes or the eight hours to Buffalo. Come on, man. Ain't no eight hours.

How long is the ride? It's an eight-hour drive, man. It's like, yeah, it's definitely like seven. Yeah, that's true. Niagara Falls. Y'all driving Miss Daisy. Come on,

man. Canada across the street from Buffalo. Hey, yo, Nick, you consider Buffalo, New York? Look at that shit. He don't even consider it.

Nope. Nope. But, but you're right. Technically, if you're going on geographically, it is the only team in New York City. That's the shit niggas in Buffalo run with.

Shout out to Griselda, though. They're my niggas, though. I'm done, though, Murdo. I'm sorry if you have something to say. Oh, no, I ain't got nothing to say about the Bills. I wish they started winning. They started today, man. They started today.

They won a game that Cam and I didn't expect them to win. I'm honest. Yeah. Listen, yesterday when we talked about it, I definitely picked the Jets to win this game. I was absolutely wrong. It looked like they had a bunch of – I watched a lot of this game. It looked like they had new energy.

It looked like – I don't know what was bringing the team down or why their morale was down, but they had a lot of energy. I'm talking about like even if it was a touchdown, Josh Allen was running all the way to the end zone to give niggas high fives and all type of shit. The Dolphins beat the Raiders 20-13, so OJ first. What is your stance on the Dolphins right now? The Dolphins are still tough.

They still haven't beaten a winning team. Every team they've beaten this year has a losing record. They're just so dynamic offensively. It's kind of unbelievable, but it's, I mean, it's kind of baffling why they can't beat the good teams. The day's game was interesting because the Raiders gave them a hell of a game. Ever since the Raiders fired their coach, talking about firing coaches, ever since they fired Josh McWhatever,

or ever since they fired him and they put the brother, Pierce, who used to be a giant, and that team has been playing. You know, they won the first two games. They lost this game, but I don't think anybody expected them to play them as well. I think they were like 13-and-a-half-point underdogs, and they literally could have won the game. I mean, it was right there at the end of the game. So I still think the Dolphins are scary.

I mean, you saw Tariq Hill today. He was unbelievable, right? I still think they're scary, but I'm a little curious about why they can't beat the better winning teams. And they got a few that they got to play before the season's over. Well, one of the things is right now is the injury to A-Chain because when he's playing well, the team always win. Every time they've had a real successful game is when A-Chain is running well.

Even though he's not the supreme running back or the person that everybody focuses on, he's the one that opened up the field for everybody else to me. Well, people focus on him. He played today, you know. He played today. They rotated all their running backs today. Most start, I can't think of the third guy's name, but third guy scored actually

but A.J. played today but they're just trying to plane back into playing shape. That guy was averaging almost 10 yards a carry. That guy is like Tariq Hill. He is scary.

That guy is something else. He's really special and I think you'll see more of him the rest of the season. I think because of him, they may finally be able to be the winning team. If he rushed one time

for one yard, that's not going to do it. Yeah. That guy's got game. As I said, the Raiders are kind of fired up. That kid Pierce, the coach, has got them playing great ball. Getting back to the Jets briefly, you know, they gave Joe Namath the MVP of that Super Bowl. Let me tell you something.

What won that game was their defense. Joe made the prediction they'd win, and I think that's why he actually got the MVP. Maybe it, you know, put confidence in the team, but that defense played against the best offense in football in Baltimore, and they held them to like six points. So somebody on that defense really should have gotten the MVP of that game. What I'll say is this,

is that it's like, how should I put it? It's like, you're definitely giving the Dolphins their credit, but you're saying they didn't beat any winning teams. It's like you want to shit on the Dolphins, but just don't want to say that they're

good because they're ahead of the Bills. Yeah. They're beating you guys in the division. That's exactly what it is. You always do this with the Bills and the Dolphins. You get scared. Oh, my God, I'm having nightmares. Oh, my God, I don't know what to do.

They're so scary. I don't know what to do. You so scared of the Dolphins. And I said it all year. Yeah, yeah, you did. But you always find a way to be like, I'm not going to talk shit about the Dolphins. And I said it all year. Yeah, you did. But you always find a way to be like, I'm not going to talk shit about the Dolphins, but I'm going to talk shit about the Dolphins.

But just in case they can beat us, I'm not going to say I talk shit about the Dolphins. Are the Dolphins good? How about this? Are they better than the Bills right now? Who would you rather pick right now to win the division? It's about six, seven games left. Who do you think is going to win the division?

They're going to play each other again. The Dolphins will probably win. They're a couple of games ahead of the Bills. They're seven and three. The Bills are six and five, so you're saying that the Dolphins are going to win the division. That's who you're picking. I think the Bills are going to overtake

them because the Dolphins got to play the Bills again, and theyake them because the Dolphins got to play the Bills again. And they got to play some other winning teams. Oh, who's going to win the division? Oh, the Bills or the Dolphins? I hope the Bills. But I think the Dolphins. See? See?

This is exactly what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. What was that? I got jet lag. I was looking at you. I got jet lag looking at him. It just happens. Okay, moving along.

And thanks for the concrete answer so we can look back at that later. The 49ers beat the Bucks 27 to 14. They only have three losses. Go Niners! Here we go. This thing, oh boy. They have three losses in the season so far.

So I see you're very ecstatic about that. How do you feel about that game? Well, I told you last week, you tried to dog me. Right now, today, the best team in football today is the 49ers. They're healthy. You saw what happened today.

How many guys went down for injury? All kind of guys are going down for injury today. For this time of the season, you know, 11th week or whatever, the 49ers are in the best shape that they've been in all year. All their defensive players are there and healthy. All their offensive players are there and healthy.

And you see what they do when they got all the guys together. And Purdy today was just what he is. You know, he's basically a game manager. But when you got the skilled players that he has that can get open, he get them the ball. He gets the ball to them. That's the problem with Zach Wilson. He doesn't do that.

But he gets the ball to him, and Zach is not playing. He's throwing shots at the chest. Oh, you're a wild boy, man. Oh, I got two things I want to share with you. How are they such a great team right now and so much better than everybody else when they got the same record as the Cowboys? That's number one. And number two, when you look at this team, you keep saying he's a game manager,

but his numbers today is looking like he's more than a game manager. Well, he gets the ball to the, you know, it's almost like Bob Greasy and Bart Starr. Average, to be honest, basically average guys surrounded by Hall of Famers, and they got the ball to the right people. They didn't make mistakes. I mean, if you look at their stats, you wonder why they're in the Hall of Fame.

But they won. They won championships, and that's why, not basically because of their statistics. They had great Hall of Fame players around them. They got the ball to them. That's what Purdy does. Purdy gets the ball to the guys. I think when they lost those three games, obviously, they had some injuries there. Left tackle was out. He may be the best left tackle in football. Debo was out. You know, they had some key guys not playing. They got all of those guys back now. They lost three games in a row, I believe, when all of those guys were out.

And they were relying on Purdy. It was like the game plan was on Purdy, we need you to throw for 350, 400 yards. Well, now that all those guys back, he don't need to do it, but he does it because he's got all those guys to throw to. And they make plays.

They all make plays. Debo may not have a lot of stats, but trust me, every team that's preparing to play the 49ers, they got to worry about Debo because he can do so much. He runs the ball. He catches the ball, and when he catches the ball,

normally, he's pretty hard to tackle. The first or second guy can't tackle him. He's got all his weapons, and he's doing the job. I'm a Purdy fan now. I'm a big Purdy fan and I had him. I actually drafted him in fantasy and I was kind of

stupid. I dropped him a couple of times. He's definitely going to bring up his fantasy team. He found a way to bring up his regular team. You might be from Harlem. Your spin game is crazy. Oh, this is what I would say. As a new expert of

football, right, and kill the vouchers for me on this. As a new expert of football, how can you say he's a game manager when out of all of the great quarterbacks there's been in 49er history, he's the first quarterback ever at 49er history

to have a perfect passing rating in 20 attempts. That's something I didn't know. I knew today, I knew he had like a perfect passing rating, but I didn't know that, you know, that Montana, those guys didn't have it.

I just know this, Montana and those guys, they were surrounded by great players too. And they got the job done. The thing about Montana, he did it in college at Notre Dame. He did it in the pro. Man, when they needed big plays, that guy always made big plays.

When I say a game manager, I'm saying this guy throws to the right guys. He doesn't throw the ball away. He's solid. I mean, he's solid. It's not a bad thing. i told you i think bob greasy was a game manager i thought bart star was a game manager they're both in the in the hall of fame joe when he was winning he wasn't a game manager he made things happen you look at uh uh certainly uh phil philip mahomes, Mahomes is not a game manager.

He make things happen. And I'm going to tell you, I wish, I truly wish Josh Allen was a little more of a game manager and made, you know, did his special stuff when he did it. The problem was they were trying to make him Mr. Everything, this Ken Dorsey. And I think that's where the problems were for them. So when I say game manager, I'm not making it a negative.

It's a good thing. All right. But those three weeks when he didn't have those other guys and it was mostly on his shoulders, they lost three games in a row. Well, you see that DJ drama? Mace knew things OJ didn't even know. But back to you, killer. I just want you to know, as a new expert, I actually know things the Hall of Famers don't know. But who am I, you know?

I thought you wasn't going to make it an ongoing thing. Petty like that. Petty like that. That is interesting because you would think Montana, the left-handed guy that came after him, you would have thought one of those guys had a perfect rating. It seemed to me I saw Montana make 25 out of 28 completions in a game, but I obviously didn't.

That's why they got me here, O. That's why you did. That's why they got me here, O. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for telling me that. I should know. It's my team, the 49ers. And the thing at the bottom, I don't know.

Well, look, what I was going to say is this. To me, it's more about Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay started off really good, man. And I thought that they was going to have a better season than this. The way they started, I was like, maybe this is a good fit for Baker Mayfield. And now they just seem to be fucking shit up. But I thought that Tampa Bay would be doing better.

And I really do have to agree with OJ, though. As far as the 49ers, where everybody's playing, they look incredible. Debo had, he rushed from minus, he had a negative one yard today. Negative. He didn't even have one yard. Whoever took under on Debo,

whatever the fuck the number was, it came the fuck up. So I just think that whenever, Brock Purdy's very comfortable when everybody's there. You know what I'm saying? So, I really do agree with you on that, OJ. As far as them being the best team in football,

you out your damn mind, my nigga. Like, I know you're 49ers fan and all that shit, but you wilding right now, man. Every week, when they just get a little two, three game winning streak, now they're the best team in football. 85 years. 85 years. I'm two weeks on this. I've said this for two weeks

now, and I don't know who's in. Who would you say? They're not even the best team in the NFC, man. The Eagles are. Secondly, they don't even have the second best record in the NFC, man. The Eagles are. Secondly, they don't even have the second best record in the NFC. The Lions do.

I mean, tonight, as we say, we will see with Kansas City playing Philly, we'll kind of see who's the best team. But even if they lose, they still have a better record than the Niners, even if they do lose tonight. They're still going to have a better record than the Niners, even if they do lose tonight.

They're still going to have a better record. And I'm not saying that momentum doesn't count. They don't always win the Super Bowl. It's who gets hot in the playoffs that wins the Super Bowl. Absolutely right. You're 100% right. And I'm saying, who goes into the playoffs healthy and who gets hot, those are the teams that win the Super Bowl. Wild card teams have won the Super Bowl.

I mean, it happens. Absolutely. That's Mace's new favorite word, if you didn't know, wild card. Yesterday's shows, he went wild card crazy. Everything was a wild card yesterday with Mace. So that's his new favorite word there that the playoffs are approaching, wild card. But I'll say this real quick before my last thing on this particular topic with me. So that's his new favorite word there that the playoffs are approaching. Wow. But I'll say this real quick before my last thing on this particular topic is this.

Oh, you're right. Teams to make the playoffs that have the best record don't necessarily make the playoffs, but don't hit another skid because Seattle is only one game behind y'all. Y'all don't even have that big of a lead in the division. So don't start feeling yourself. Calm down. Calm down.

No, I'm feeling myself. When my team is healthy like they are now, they're going to beat up everybody. Relax. They're going to beat up everybody. Chill. Y'all only one game ahead of the Seahawks, baby. I can't even be mad at you, OJ, because at least you're consistent

because if he was talking about he was a Lions fan or an Eagles fan, we would be be mad at you, OJ, because at least you're consistent because if he was talking about he was a Lions fan or an Eagles fan, we would be looking at him some type of way. So at least you stick it with your team. He's not consistent.

This nigga switched from his team to his fantasy team. Who is saying this right now? Who is saying this right now? He's playing like the 85, man. He was a Cowboy fan week two. I ain't gonna hold you. I've never been a Cowboy fan week, too. I ain't going to hold you. I've never been a Cowboy fan.

You said that to me. He was playing like the 85 man. Let me tell you about the Cowboys fan. When I watched the game, and you've been there, you know a couple of people wear all that Cowboy stuff. Well, one friend's daughter, who plays a bunch of fantasy, she's not in my league, but she's in these other leagues, she had all her her cowboy outfit on.

When the Cowboys won the day in the fourth quarter, she predicted that the Cowboys are going to the Super Bowl. They're going to the Super Bowl. I saw Stephen A one day say that's why you hate the fans. They get loud, and if they won a game during the season, all of a sudden, they're going to the Super Bowl. And I couldn't believe it. I looked at it and said, are you kidding me? They got

to get through a playoff game, which they've proven over the last 15 years or so that they can't get by a playoff game. So they're good during the season, but who knows about what's going to happen to them in the playoffs speaking of

and that's a great point speaking of because their fans are wild speaking of Stephen A. Smith this Wednesday at 3 p.m. Eastern check out Mason

myself on his podcast I don't want to say the wrong name we'll announce it again but big shout out to Stephen A. Smith this Wednesday

we'll be on his podcast and yeah Cowboy fans are obnoxious and We'll announce it again, but big shout out to Stephen A. Smith. This Wednesday we'll be on his podcast. And yeah, Cowboy fans are obnoxious. And Nick fans too. They're very delusional. And they got the same record as the 49ers though. Yeah. Hey, Mace, can I ask a question?

Yeah. Has Cam mentioned anything about Ohio today? Oh, no. He definitely. Thank you for bringing that up. So funny? Oh, no, he definitely. Thank you for bringing that up. Yeah, it's so funny you brought that up, OJ. Thank you. Oh, I was wondering the same thing. He didn't even mention Ohio players today.

We going to talk about it. We going to get to it. That's cool. That's cool. I thought we had something going on. I thought we was the Blues Brothers. It's all good. That's cool. That's cool. Ohio State. I thought we had something going on. I thought we was the Blues Brothers. I thought we,

it's all good. It's all good. No Ohio State, no Browns. We can talk about Ohio State, nigga. So you want to talk about Ohio State,

we can talk about Ohio State. I was hoping you'd bring up something. Well, if you want to talk about Ohio State, what you want to talk about? Yeah, get you back

in the conversation with Ohio. It's not a problem if you want to talk about Ohio State, what you want to talk about? Yeah, to get you back in the conversation with Ohio. It's not a problem if you want to talk. I have no problem. Those topics are coming up, so. That's why I didn't say nothing yet. But okay, oh, let's do it. Let's do it. Oh, it's the old gangster, yo.

Oh, they like nuts a lot. It's all good. Let's do it. Okay. So let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day. This afternoon, the Bucks will play the Wizards, so switching to basketball

real quick. Underdog fantasy has Giannis at 29 and a half points. Do you have him higher or lower? Mace. Let me see. Giannis,

29.5. I'm going to go higher. They can't. Nobody on the Wizards is going to be able to stop Giannis. And he's on a streak right now. He's playing like he want to play.

I agree. I'm going to go higher for Giannis. Okay. Damian Lillard is at three and a half. Three-pointer is made. Do you have him higher or lower? Can't. Excuse me.

I'm sorry. I'm going to go lower. 3.3, 3.5, three-pointers made. I'm going to go lower. 3.3, 3.5, three-pointers made. I'm going to go higher. I just think Damon Lilley is going to shoot a whole bunch of threes, especially against the Wizards. And if he shoots 10 of them, he's bound to make about four. And Jordan Poole is at 15.5 points.

Do you have him higher or lower? This is a tricky one because he might try to get his name back because it's Milwaukee. He's from Milwaukee. So, I'm thinking I want to say lower pause, but I'm going to do OJ.

I'm going to go higher. Do OJ. I'm going gonna do OJ is absolutely out of control and that's too late you did not you did not

you did not I'm gonna do OJ is crazy crazy I said I'm gonna do a OJ well what's a random OJ's out here

that you gonna do I'm gonna say this because Damien Lillard shared the story with us when he was up here and he was saying how he said he's cool with Jordan Poole,

but it was like he don't really fuck with Jordan Poole. He told Draymond Green he don't like Jordan Poole and I'm pretty sure just that convo, not saying he watched the show

or seen the episode with Damian Lillard that's on, but I'm pretty sure Jordan Poole is aware of the tension that's going on. I mean, without the memo, I'm pretty sure just on the court, they know what's up. It's like when we play somebody we don't fuck with and you just...

You know, at that time. When we play boys and girls and we see Courtney, you know what's up. So I'm going to say higher. And just because I think it's going to be a competition with him and, um, him and Damian Lillard. And the other day, I forget who they was playing,

but something happened when he, what the fuck they was playing when he was like, yo, this is my team. Yeah. Somebody like, I don't know what next. I think day is playing when he was like, yo, this is my team. Yeah. Yeah, somebody like, I don't know what the heck's going on, this is my team.

I think this is the attitude that he's going to carry in to the game tonight. So that's the only reason I'm going to go higher. I think it's personal tonight against Damian Lillard. And it may not be, but I think there's some tension there

that outsiders don't know that's going on. Sure point. Make sure to download the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too. You're joined back with our football analyst, OJ. Choose! You wanted to speak about Ohio, so here we are. Deshaun Watson is undergoing a season-ending injury,

putting rookie quarterback DTR in, and Joe Burrow is out for the season because of a wrist injury. So first and foremost, OJ, how do you feel about these quarterback injuries? Well, you know what I think about quarterback injuries, because they always don't play the running back, because they say the running back gets hurt. These guys, these quarterbacks are getting hurt.

I mean, they're going down like, I don't know, like DC 10s used to go down. And they, them boys, it kills the team when they go down. When they go down, it's called, the teams have got to pay these high salaries on the cap, $40, $50 million. It hurts them. They can't really go out and get somebody really good to take their place. If a running back goes down, what is it going to cost the team?

When Chubb went down, what did it cost Cleveland? Pennies. I mean, you know, as far as football money goes, right? Let's say pennies. I mean, it cost them $8, $9 million, and they're bringing some guy in for $2, $3 billion. So I think the quarterbacks, it's a sad situation that they're going down.

Watching Cleveland is like watching an episode of MASH. Every time you watch them, somebody's getting carried off the field. You know? MASH is crazy, OJ. So soft. You know what mash is? It's bad that this happened, but one thing I say,

it should point out, you can't pay these guys $50 million. I'd pay them $30 million. Come on, what are they? They going to live any differently? And it won't hurt your team. The 49ers were able to sign Hargrove. They were able to sign Chase Young because they're paying Purdy. I mean, Purdy, they're paying Purdy $900,000.

Well, that ain't going to last long. But I guarantee you, he ain't going to jump from $900,000 to $50 million. That is not going to happen. So even when they have to sign him after next year, maybe before next year, they give him some bonus money, he's not going to sign a contract that's going to make it difficult for them to go out and sign these other great players around the league and keep their own players. Cleveland is in trouble.

I mean, how much money do they got on the cap now after they're paying this guy $50 million a year? I'm happy for them. I ain't mad at them for getting the money, but something's got to change. I mean, these quarterbacks are getting paid. It's hurting their teams in the long run because they're getting hurt just like the running backs are getting hurt.

And they're carrying that big salary cap, you know, that big number on their salary cap. OJ, how much of the money do you think they should reallocate from the quarterback to the running back? Because you say you're not hating, but you're definitely hating, O.J. No, I like everybody getting what they can get. I'm going to say that first. But whoever started with this $40 million to $50 million to the quarterbacks, they didn't do the rest of the team

or the team in general, the rest of the players on the team any favors. Because once again, when you lose one of those guys, you can't really go out and get another really good or trade for another really good guy. You can't go out and get another quarterback that might be making 12 or 14 million million. I mean, you basically can't afford to do it. And that hurts the team in the long run. Look at the Giants. Come on, guys. You saw today.

They can't win unless Saquon is out there doing his thing. And they paid that other boy, what, $30 to $40 million? Jones, the quarterback? And they're paying him $10 million? Come on, give me a break. That's all wrong. So how do you explain that with Russell Wilson, I mean, winning four in a row?

Well, I'm happy for Russell. Everybody's been dogging Russell. But this coach and Russell are working well together. I still don't think I don't know what Russell's getting. I think it's about 50 million. I don't think anybody on a football team, when you got to pay 47 to 53 players, I don't think anybody should be taking that much of the salary cap. should be taking that much of the salary cap. And I don't know how any of those guys are going to live any differently making $30 million or making $50 million.

Look at the greatest winning quarterback of all time, if you want to count Super Bowl. Look what Brady did. Brady never made that kind of money. Brady played Super Bowl after Super Bowl, and there were seven, eight, nine other quarterbacks in the league making more money than him because he wanted the team to have enough money to have other players around him,

had the better players around him. And that was his decision. So that's one of the things I love about Brady. Brady was a guy that he was making enough money money and his wife was making more than him, you know? So he was living the good life still is. Uh, but he didn't try to be the highest paid guy in the league. I mean, I remember thinking one year, I think he was, they showed salaries and he was like ninth or 10th in salaries.

And he had just won, you know, two out of the last three Super Bowls. And I guess he went to win a couple of more Super Bowls. So, I mean, that was a credit to him thinking about the team. I saw where, I saw where Rodgers gave some money back. I don't know if you guys paid attention to that. Rodgers gave some of his money back to the team this year so that they can go up and get some good players, and they need it. I mean, they need to be able to sign some better players.

Yeah. So that's a credit to him. Okay. What I'll say is this. I got a couple of things because you're not just going to come in Ohio like that. I'll say is this. I got a couple things because y'all not just gonna come in Ohio like that. I'll say is this, man. You gotta blame

Jimmy. He's the one who set this shit off with the Cleveland Browns. He's the one who gave the nigga Deshaun Watson 230 guaranteed. You know, Biscotti was pissed the nigga who owns

the Ravens because he know that was going to set the standard when Lamar Jackson was trying to renegotiate. So you can't even get mad at nobody

but the Cleveland Browns owner for starting to set this standard. So I'll say that as far as my man Joe Burrow, I'm so sorry. Y'all niggas knew what time it was about to be. So that's why you wanted to come at Ohio. So I get it that. As far as my man Joe Burrow, I'm so sorry. Y'all niggas knew what time it was about to be,

so that's why you wanted to come at Ohio. So I get it. I get it. Oh, I know you was a little, I knew you see what was about to happen with Joe Burrow. I love Joe Burrow. I understand. I understand.

You know, I know, I know. Hold me high in his hands for real. But what I'll say is this, to still rep my state, outside of New York, that is. CJ Stroud, baby. You know, we killed today, baby. Texas 336

for an interception. Me and CJ, Ohio State, my nigga, we went crazy today, man. So, we still in it. We are still in it. Secondly, back to this, Owen, you've been saying this since the beginning as far as the quarterbacks

and the running backs and a lot of positions that's not getting paid like the quarterback. I'll say this before I go. You got to stop pocket watching, Owen. Because that'll leave the pillow talking and then you're going to be ear hustling. You cannot do,

you got to stop pocket watching, my nigga. Stop it, man. Pocket watching leads to ear hustling and pillow talking. Stop, bro. Stop watching everybody's pockets. If you can't negotiate, if you can't get mad at these niggas negotiating this, you've been pocket watching all season, man.

Stop. Yeah, the ear hustling Now you gonna be pillow talking That's next You gotta stop man You gotta stop man Stop it bro I'm talking about

What's the number 30 million you gonna do A lot Yeah Tom Brady Tom Brady. Tom Brady got a good life. He's doing a good. No, I want an extra 30. If I can get an extra 30, give me an extra 30, yo.

Stop. Stop. I tell you what. You two girls will be fucking wild. Well, I'm going to tell you, the highest paid guys on their team, well, I got to say Lamar's team is doing well. Yeah. Your team, Cleveland is trying to do well.

I'll give you that. But they're going to play just as well. They seem to be playing just as well without him as they're playing with him. All right, man. Oh, stop this pocket watching, man. Remember the slogan, man. Pocket watching lead to air hustling then you gonna be pillow talking nobody like niggas will be pillow

talking you gotta stop the pillow talking you gotta stop the air hustling yeah okay well Cam mentioned CJ Strong so we're gonna talk about the Texans Texans continue their winning streak defeating the Cardinals 21 to 16

are the Cardinals a lost cause and how do you feel about the Texans OJ first another team with a quarterback that's making a fortune laughing laughing laughing

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I don't know. About $40-something million he signed that. $40-something million. He said, I don't know about $40-something million. Don't get me wrong. I ain't mad at him. I'm just mad at the system, the owners and stuff. Look, when I played, i was by far the highest

paid player in the league nothing these guys are making three times more in a game than i was making for the season it's unbelievable so i mean i think anybody can get the money get what you can get but i'm just saying in general for the game of football, the team would be better off. You can get better players. If you just brought that salary down on them. Oh, you're saying get all you can get, but don't get too much. I'm just saying, man. That makes sense to me.

I've been saying, man. That makes sense to me. I said, get all you can get. But don't drink too much. That's a good one. That's a great way to put it. Oh, man. Rota's going to be, well, he's already everybody's pick for Rookie of the Year.

The guy is easily Rookie of the Year. And you can't really take him out of the MVP conversation. To me, every week he's kind of working himself into the MVP conversation. And they got a great coach. Coach, to me, is going to be coach of the year. I see them. If they got six or more games, they're going to win at least half of them. They may even win their division.

I'm pretty sure they're going to get in the playoffs. He's coaching the hell out of that team. Houston, hey, man. Houston was, I think, picked to win one, maybe two games coming into the season. And now they're about to win their division. And that's a hell of a coaching job.

Another brother, you know, we got the guy with the Raiders, got them playing better. And we got this guy here at Houston doing one well of a job. It is rumored the Jets are expected to make another attempt at a trade for Devontae Adams this offseason. Is that a good idea? I know you just said that the Raiders were doing better, but if they trade him off, what do you see happening? Well, I don't blame him.

You know, try to get him back with Rodgers. Assuming Rodgers is going to be able to play. Obviously, to hook the two of them back up with Garrett Wilson, you know, as a number two receiver, I guess it would be if Adams went there. It makes all the sense in the world. But, you know, can they do it? I don't think they got a lot of high-priced players. They're certainly not paying Saquon the way they should be paying him.

Because I think – Back to Saquon. Saquon been on this show about 900 times this season, man. Oh, shout out to Saquon and all the running backs. We saw him today. Oh, man. Saquon has been my favorite running back for the last five years. Well, ever since they played UCLA, Penn State played USC, rather,

in the Rose Bowl, I saw this guy run. SC beat him like 51 to 49 or something. And I saw this guy running the ball. And I said, with some great USC players on the field, have gone on to become all pros and stuff, I said, that guy is by far the best player on the field, that Saquon. I mean, I love watching him play. But anyway, the Jets, they need a lot of help.

I would say this, even if they were close to going in the playoffs, which I don't see happening, Rodgers should not walk out on that field. Everybody said Rodgers may come back if they got a chance for the playoffs. Rodgers better stay off that field because I think it's Woody or one of those guys do that thing on the show where they hammer helmets and say, you need protection. Whoever plays quarterback for that team needs protection

and they're not getting it right now. And a 40-year-old guy trying to come back from an Achilles heel should be nowhere around the playing field of the Jets at this point. Off the topic real quick, unless you have something to say about this.

Oh, no, I'll say it after you. I was going to jump into something football related, but not this. You have something to say about this? Okay, yeah, I was just going to say a small point to what's going on about the Jets. With Aaron Rodgers being hurt, it probably would make more sense to go after another quarterback. But if they're going to trade for Adams, I just don't think that will make the best sense. It ain't going to happen this season because the trade deadline is over,

so they're trying to say they're going to make a push for it in the offseason. But what I was going to ask is this, and your opinion too, Mason. What do you guys think about the Browns possibly putting Joe Flacco on the

practice team and giving them a workout and not Colin Kaepernick and Flacco is two or three years older than Kaepernick. Well, the whole Kaepernick thing has all kind of ramifications. Are they talking about Kaepernick? I wasn't aware.

No, no, no, no. They're talking about Flacco, the Browns, bringing him in. But I was just wondering your opinion. It's nothing about Kaepernick going anywhere. I was just wondering you guys' opinion on that situation, being that Flacco was two or three years older than Kaepernick, and Kaepernick doesn't even get a shot. Well, we all know the situation with Kaepernick,

but we don't even know the last time Flacco was playing. Maybe it's been two or three years since he's played. I could be wrong, but I just wanted to know you guys' opinion about that. Yeah, well, I don't think Flacco would be much help. I don't think Kaepernick, having been out of the game this long, he certainly wouldn't be much help right now.

It's going to take him a while to get back in the football. I don't mean physical shape, just, you know, the timing of throwing passes and what type of quarterback was Kaepernick. This might not be the team for him. Kaepernick, if he was backing up Lamar, for instance, that would be the type of team that Kaepernick would be good on. This team, well, they're a running team, so that helps. But the thing about it is,

so you think Kaepernick's not closer to Deshaun Watson than Joe Flacco? Yeah, that's a good point. Well, Deshaun Watson, I said Lamar, I think I said. No, what we're saying is he's going to the Browns. Or the Flycrawls going to the practice squad. I think they're just looking for somebody. I don't want to use this word again, but they're looking for somebody. They better not be Saquon, man.

As long as any word about Saquon. To manage the offense. I think they believe that Flacco is a guy that can better manage the offense. Like we say, be a game manager, so to speak. I don't think so. I mean, I don't see that. I would like to see him go after Cam Newton or one of those guys, right? That's a great – I like Cam Newton as well. Yeah, I'd like to see him go after Cam Newton, one of those guys, right? That's a great one. I like Cam Newton as well.

Yeah, I'd like to see him go after somebody like that. But I see RG3 is trying to throw his hat in the ring, you know, quietly. RG3? I thought he retired. I mean, they made him retire. Both of those guys are out of the game. The guys we're talking about are all out of the game. But he kind of on TV there.

He was kind of throwing his hat in the ring. Saying, well, if you want to have to so-and-so, so-and-so, if they come after me, blah, blah, blah. I don't know if you guys pay attention, but even when he's announcing that, just since Deshaun Watson gets hurt, when he's doing his games just since Deshaun Watson gets hurt, when he's, like, doing his games, commentating before the games start,

he's doing, like, 40-yard dashes in suits and shit, like, sprinting and shit. Like, niggas be like, yo, chill, my nigga. Like, one of them shits, like, racing niggas who's practicing in his suit. And I'm like, yo, that nigga want to get back in the league bad. There's just no reason for him to even be doing that. So I didn't know he was throwing his name in the hat,

but I have seen him free gaming with other players or even by himself as an analyst, just doing 40-yard dashes randomly, hoping that the camera sees him. Yeah, he's just got, he's kind of doing it in a way that it's a throwaway, you know? Right. Even if they came out, so-and-so would say,

even if, it's what I would say, if they come after me, you know, I'm came after so and so would say just even what I would say if they come after me you know I'm saying this guy is he's just he's just trying to oh we call that captain the point is he hasn't been out of the league what

two years maybe and he says he's in shape. I have no doubt if they called him, he would leave the booth and go to Cleveland. I have no shred of doubt if they called him, he would. I'm not saying I think he's the best choice, but I'm just saying this.

If they made a call to him, he'd be leaving notes for all the guys at ESPN because he'd be gone. So Russell Westbrook made the decision to come off the bench for the Clippers this season. Thoughts on his decision? Well, let me go first. I said this previously that Russell Westbrook coming off the bench, though it's a great move for the team,

is actually could be one of those career shortening decisions that because you chose to come off the bench and now the team doesn't win on a level it should, then it took years away from you because people start looking at you as a person coming off the bench versus a player that's been playing on a team that's winning. But they was actually winning before they chained a roster up for James Harden. McKayla, what you would say to that? I agree with you.

What I say is this, is that they actually, you know, they had a great team before Harden got there. Russell Wilson, or Russell Westbrook took it upon himself to say, I'm going to come off the bench because we're on a five-game losing streak with the James Harden here and this thing isn't

working, so he took it upon himself to come off the bench. They won, so now they may think that that's the formula. I'll say it's the Houston Rockets, even though the Houston Rockets are kind of balling this year. I still wouldn't put them at the top of the Western Conference, or even

the elite teams in the Eastern Conference. I think this is a Ty Lue situation. I think that Russell Westbrook said, Ty Lue isn't doing anything about it, so I'm going to do something about it. Not, Ty Lue isn't doing anything about it, so I'm going to do something about it. Not saying Ty Lue isn't a great coach. Yeah.

Like I said before, I think that Ty Lue, and I could be totally wrong, because what Ty Lue said was, when they said, I think they was on a three-game losing streak at the time. They asked somebody, asked them, how long are you going to see till this thing works? And Ty Lue says it's going to take at least 10 games. Then they lost five games, and niggas was like, yo, 10 game, we going to see till this thing works? And Ty Lue says it's going to take at least 10 games. Then they lost five games and niggas is like, yo, 10 game, we going to 10 game.

Losing streak. It's crazy. But to me, Ty Lue is saying, this is who y'all wanted, so give me 10 games to see if this thing works out. And I could be totally wrong. This is all speculation.

But this is a Ty Lue issue. I think me and myself, me, myself, and Jamal Crawford think that James Harden should come off the bench. It'll be a better situation, in my opinion, than Chris Paul coming off the bench in Golden State. You got a guy who still can play at the elite level. He can lead the second unit.

He can still get his 20 points. He actually led the team, the NBA, in assists last year. He could pass the fuck out the ball, even though he's passing to Joel Embiid. But I think that Mace is right. If you look at Russell Wilson, Paul, I keep saying Russell Wilson, Russell Westbrook, as a bench player now, that's what he'll be for the rest of his career, and he's not necessarily a bench player just yet.

It didn't work out with the Lakers. I don't know if it's going to work out with the Clippers. But instead of Russell Westbrook making this decision, I think Ty Lue should. Yeah. And Ty Lue was probably trying to take a page out of Phil Jackson's book when there was this whole big fight between Kobe and Shaq. And he said, I'm not going to say who's the leader.

I'm going to let them figure it out. So I think he's trying to do one of those. Hopefully it didn't backfire. I don't know who's the leader on that team. That's what I'm saying. It could be four leaders. Like, who's the leader? Kawhi don't really talk.

Yeah, you got four potential Hall of Famers on there. Yeah, well, you know, Kawhi doesn't talk. It could be the GOAT, Paul George, or it could be Russell Westbrook, because I know one thing, if you get in there, James Harden brand new, and niggas start telling niggas what to do, then they're my man. Yeah, my man, please. Yo, O, have you been keeping up with this?

What do you think about this? Well, I got to tell you, I give some credit to Westbrook. I thought that was a big-time move on his part. And I thought him coming off the bench, bringing that energy that he has coming off the bench, I think him coming off the bench, he still may play more minutes than the boy in front of him. But I do know that Harden, you know, Harden, he can throw those assists.

He did a great job, you know, as a guy kind of bringing the ball down the course with his assists on his other team. So this way, Harden could be the starter. I guess that's where they want to play him. And his ego is to some degree fulfilled unless Wes comes off the bench, and that's who I'm assuming he's coming off the bench for. Wes, he brings some energy off the bench, man. I was proud of him when I heard it.

I said, for him to say that, that may be good for them. All those guys on the floor together may not be the best thing for that team. So I was, my son's a basketball player, you know, and we all think that Wes did a good thing. That might be the answer. We'll see in the next couple of weeks. But that could be the answer because it wasn't working the other way. What I'll say is this, O.

You sound like Mace with football. You got to brush up on your basketball, O. You sound exactly like Mace when he's trying to talk like football week three. Mace, I got it. I watch all the games. Nah, I'm just fucking with you. Okay. And last thing before we end the show,

Skip Bayless claims he was athlete of the year in eighth grade, earned MVP at basketball camp, and then went on to lead his AAU team in scoring. So thoughts on him sharing this information with the world. At what grade? Eighth grade. Oh my goodness. So he was the top scorer in eighth grade.

Athlete of the year. Athlete of the year. AAU. MVP basketball camp. MVP of the basketball camp Yo Yo Skip gotta let it go man Skip you be reaching so much

Yo for real bro You gotta be fouled out by now Skip For real That's a good one For real man Yo Skip what I say is this man For real. That's a good one. That's a good one. For real, man. You know what I'm saying? What I say is this, man. This is the reason why you and Jalen Rose got into the beef that y'all got into.

Because you keep acting like you was this superstar athlete. And it all ended at eighth grade. Yeah, it's like jingle. It's game day in training. Yeah, exactly. The high school. Yeah, and then the nigga, when like jingle it's game then translate exactly high school yeah and then the nigga when he was arguing

with fucking arguing with um arguing with Jalen Rose at the one time Skip Skip was a junior

playing JV that's illegal bro like you can't play JV as a yo Skip that shit was illegal bro stop

he was ringing. Yeah, secondly, you from Oklahoma. Could you Google real quick? Yeah. If I'm not mistaken. Shout out to Skip. Shout out to everybody in Oklahoma, Oklahoma City. Now, not shout out to Skip.

Yeah, Oklahoma. Skip, when you was playing, how old is Skip? 71. 71? Yeah, OJ. 91. 71. No, what I'm saying is this. Skip and OJ, 71. What I'm saying is that Skip and

OJ, y'all look great for your age. Both of you guys, pause. But Skip, you gotta let this shit go. You ain't the juice. You ain't Hall of Fame, nigga. We got Hall of Fame up here, nigga. You eighth grade with it. Stop this shit, man. Secondly, you probably was playing

when no black people could play in Oklahoma. It's probably segregated. She was definitely segregated when you was all-star AAU and all this other shit. You was playing in the Andy Griffith. That shit, you played in black and white. You could not play

against no black players. You played in black and white. It's crazy. Black and white, my nigga. Stop, my nigga. Skip, stop with this niggas, Skip. Stop with this athlete shit because every time you talk about it, you're embarrassing yourself. This is what, and this next thing that I will say is this.

To all my niggas that's going over to that shit, like May said, I don't know why Skip ain't found out. The reach that he's doing this season is crazy. Bubba Dub, I hope you got paid. I know Lil Wayne getting paid.

That's my nigga. Breezy, Yellow Breezy, get your money. Skip, you was with your niggas. Yo, we the cool niggas, and we ain't got a child. Hard to be cool. This nigga's like, oh, my God, how do I be cool? Even fucking OJ's cool. These niggas is cool, man.

Find me some cool niggas. Yo, if anybody that's popping on the gram social media, do not go up there for free because some niggas is getting the bag, my nigga. They treating y'all like the NCAA in 1991, my nigga. Y'all niggas ain't getting that. Before NILs. Yeah, yeah.

That's why I said 91. Oh, it's going to be a good look for you. Yo, what are we going to do? Yo, you ever see, you ever see, I won't say their name because they'll be like, oh, we're badgering. The name of their show, you ever see how it comes on? Like their logo is gold chains. So like, you know, they be like, do, do, do, and the shit come on. Their logo on the shit is gold chains.

Skip, get the fuck out of here with them gold chains, bro. Yo, stop, man. Yo, you gotta stop, bro. Yo, Bubba Dub, Yellow Beezy, like I said, I already know Wayne ain't playing no games.

Stay the fuck away if y'all don't get paid. That nigga using y'all for cool points because he don't know how to be cool. He's so uncomfortable that, you know,

he left first take. They killing him on the ratings. I don't even want to tell you what we doing on YouTube. Numbers, nigga. Numbers, nigga. I know we be talking shit, but we up, up.

Yeah, yeah. Don't let all my urban niggas that's killing him. Shador! Yeah, yeah. Slip is going to call you niggas to come up there. I'm not mad

But get your check What my nigga RP Young Dolph say Get paid young nigga Get paid nigga Beware Next time you watch this show Y'all probably pay attention And then it got gold chains

Hanging from the top of the screen Get the fuck out of here nigga What you got to say about Skip's stats It ended in A grade got gold chains hanging from the top of the screen. Get the fuck out of here, nigga. What you got to say about Skip Stats? It ended in eighth grade. The girls was playing in eighth grade. You know, seriously, come on, man.

I mean, seriously. Who said girls was playing in eighth grade? They killed them. They killed AAU. And before that. Yeah. And before that. Yeah. AAU and all of that. I ain't buying it.

Yeah. And not only that, you got to think about this. Not even being. That's the truth, though. Girls was playing back then at young. Yeah. But what I'm saying is this. Let's be serious.

And I don't know this for a fact because I'm just trying to do the math real quick off the top of my head. If it was eighth grade, this is 1961 for Skip. They didn't even have a three-point line. I don't think Jackie Robinson set the record. He had none of that shit. Will Chamberlain, Oscar Robinson, Havlicek, and Wes had not gotten to 25,000 points with no three-point lineups. Where was he born? He was born in Oklahoma? He was in Oklahoma with all of us?

Yes. They didn't have mixed schools then. Yeah, they didn't have. Until 64. I mean, in AU, he was playing against all people of the same nationality, right? Probably. I mean, that's pretty much where it was. See, you know that's 61.

Definitely. I had to drink out of all black faucets. I had to go through the back door. Yeah, so you couldn't play against them back then. I had to go through the back door. Yeah, so you couldn't play against them back then. I spent all my summers as a kid right up until like 62 when I started spending my summers here in Vegas working for my uncle. But, you know, they wouldn't let no – there was no mixed teams.

That's crazy, man. Louisiana and Oklahoma as bad as they are. Louisiana and Oklahoma as bad as they are. We all know how long it took Tulsa to be a mix to accept the end of the world. Don't we have a holiday for that?

Yeah, look, man. I'm sorry you had to go through that. Oh, niggas like you paved the way for us. And listen, it's still racism out here, but the racism that you guys experience, especially as professional athletes and collegiate athletes at that particular time is

fucking ridiculous, man. So thank you for paving the way for younger kids to be getting paid today. You know what I'm saying? You did your thing, but Skip, cut this shit the fuck out, my nigga. You not as cool as you want to be, my nigga. You was playing when the girls was playing the chord in the O.

Period, my nigga. Niggas in eighth grade. Stop, my nigga. Stop, bro. Stop. OJ, thank you for being here. Thank you, Treasure. Yo, O, man, we got to start getting you on a couple more days.

We going to figure some shit out, man. But I'll call you after the show. We going to do lunch this week. All right. I to figure some shit out, man. But I'll call you after the show. We're going to do lunch this week. All right. I'm around. All right, man. All right, guys. God bless. That's all the time we have for today. Thanks for watching. And as always, it is what it is.