IT IS WHAT IT IS - OLD SCHOOL HIP HOP STORIES, CAITLIN CLARK GOES #1 & WHAT KIND OF TEAM WOULD YOU OWN?! | S3 EP74

Episode Date: April 16, 2024

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and you get a special pick when you sign up. I'm Treja Wilson, a.k.a. Stat Baby, along with your hosts, Mace and Cam. Killer, what's good? What's good? What's good? How are you? Everything all right? Yeah. They locked the champ up.

The champ. Nah, that was a nice line. That was a nice line. They locked the champ up. I know. I thought somebody got locked up. I know. I'm free. I can say we have a champion out there.

Yeah. i can say you have a champion out there yeah what's going on stat how was the draft guys the draft was great first of all um this is like my first real like new york experience because i i went once when i was a lot younger um so it's like i feel like i've went, you know, as much places as I could in the last couple of days. Went to Brooklyn, Queens, obviously Manhattan. But I haven't been to Harlem yet. I'm supposed to get food there, but we'll see. Like, we'll see. But the job as a whole is great.

How you go to new york and go everywhere besides all them stats crazy right i know i have to go like that's like the last stop i'm like guys like we're running out of time what do i do so i gotta figure it out but yeah it's been it's been a great time and then we're definitely going to discuss the draft you know because we because we have to, but as far as the New York aspect, yeah, y'all. Who did your makeup, Stat? Right, I don't, if y'all know, I don't do crazy makeup.

Shout out to Makeup by Fatima, because she did her thing. That's when I was in the Bronx. So, yeah, she did my makeup. I can tell you who is in new york your eyes are smoked on the top not new york he said you've got a new york i'm dead it's like when you get to new york and people can really cut hair and they don't be putting

all the black on your hairline you know you're in new york because they know what they're doing not that other places don't but it's a certain you just know that that's new york right definitely definitely so yeah shout out to her but new york has been treating me well so let's get into the draft are you wearing a raider's hat first and foremost i'm from vegas now okay i had to i'd peep that i was like wait that did not go unseen okay so let's get into the draft the wNBA draft happened last night and Kaitlyn Clark was selected first overall by the Indiana Fever followed by Cameron Brink to the LA Sparks then Camila Cardoso to the Chicago Sky in general what's you guys's overall thoughts on the draft

are you shocked by anybody's you know draft number what did you guys think as a whole about the whole thing? Me personally, I'm not surprised. I think it all went exactly the way it was supposed to go. I would have only, I'm not going to lie, I wouldn't have been surprised if they would have picked Cameron Brink first, but they picked a second. She's been a great star in Stanford for a long time. You know, there's even clips of her playing with or being mentored by Stephen Curry and stuff like that.

So, you know, when you think of L.A., L.A. got to get a franchise player, and she will be a franchise player. player and she will be a franchise player um caitlyn clark going to to indiana is is another is another thing none of us are surprised about like um cam said the other day that you know these i think it was just yesterday that they bought all this tv time for caitlyn clark they know this is who the world want to see and they want to see if her actual talent is going to translate. Or is Diana Taurasi got a point that she's going to run into a reality check. But that's going to be a lot of reality. That's all I was thinking when he said all the time that she's going to be on TV.

But I don't think it's going to be a reality check. I think it's going to be a reality check. I think it's going to be a reality check for them. So as much as I love Taurasi and Bird, they're like my first people that made me start watching college basketball for girls. I think on this, she's going to

shock the world. Or at least shock the naysayers. And Angel Reese and everybody else, I think they went to the team they were supposed to go to. What do you think, Killer? I don't see any surprises. You said

when you first started this, you wouldn't have been surprised if Cameron Brink went first. That's what you said? Yeah, I wouldn't have been surprised. Lace, you're bugging. You're smoking. I don't know what you're smoking with. What are you talking about?

Everybody knows. You could have been on Mars and knew who was going first. Now, I would have been surprised if Cameron Brink were first. I would have been bugged. Would you like to know why I wouldn't have been surprised? No, go ahead. I'm listening. Go ahead. I want have been buggered. Would you like to know why I wouldn't have been surprised? No, go ahead. I'm listening.

Go ahead. I want to hear this. I would like to hear this myself. I would like to hear this. I would like to hear why you wouldn't have been surprised. Maybe they took a page out of the NBA playbook. You know how sometimes when a person really wants the other person, they put all of the

favoritism on the first person so people cannot be looking at the one that they want to get it and make them pick the one that they wanted to get so they get i mean make them pick the one they didn't want to get so they actually get the one they wanted to get i know it sounds like sometimes people do that you're definitely spinning right now bro you're vibing I forgot what draft it was that that happened that everybody was like

oh they're going to get this person and that person didn't even get picked for a while and everybody was like so why did they say that they said that so they can make sure they get the person they wanted but you know that ain't the case for this bro I know what you mean Why did they say that? They said that so they can make sure they get the person they wanted. But, you know. That ain't the case for this, bro.

I know what you mean. Nobody. We talked about this briefly yesterday. Indiana would have fucked up all type of business for they self if they picked anybody else. Them niggas got 36 national televised games. It ain't cause a camera break. Yeah. It ain't cause a... break. It ain't cause a

but what I will say is I just wanted to see where you was going with that. That's why I had to ask you real quick. If they would have picked camera break, could they have take the TV spots back? No. They would have still had the spots. We don't know what the contract said.

The contract could have been based upon what a small fine print said based on Caitlyn Clark coming in. Let me ask that. Snap, were you surprised? Would you have been surprised if they took Cameron Brink first? Would you have been surprised? I would have been very surprised.

Cameron Brink is a phenomenal player, but the fix was in for Caitlyn Clark to be in. It was super fixed. The whole shit was around her. They giving her a speech before the whole shit popped off like a 15, 20 minute speech. I'm like, me personally, I was like, this ain't even fair.

I mean, everybody knew she's going first, but it was like a whole 15, 20 minute segment towards her right before the draft even started, the pre-draft show. And I'm like, damn, I've never seen an obvious number one so bad in my life. And no matter if it was the NBA either.

I know it's a lot of times we watch murder growing up, and you'd be like, he going number one. And I know what you're talking about, too, when niggas act like they're getting somebody just to throw niggas off. But I ain't see this clear-cut number one like since probably zion or lebron where you just absolutely knew no matter what we're taking this person um i'm gonna i'm gonna be honest with you i know more about college women's basketball than the wmbBA, but I'm going to catch up this season. And, you know, I've been watching a little bit the last two seasons,

mainly because we've been on the West Coast, and I'm not going to lie, we've been able to see the Aces' success. And not only that, the Aces played the Liberty last year of New York, so that was like a big deal to watch both teams play for me. But as far as where everybody else went, I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I know a lot about the franchises. But, you know, that's one thing about a phenomenal player or players in this draft that it'll make me start paying attention.

I can't wait to start catching up. But I will say this before I end what I say. Congratulations to everybody who got drafted last night. Look forward to seeing you guys play. But white girls running this shit right now, man. One and two. One and two, man. That's just that.

That's just that. That's just that. They running this joint right now until further notice. I don't know what y'all going to do, but the one and two pick. You know, white American, baby. They found

something. They found something. They found something, man. Congratulations to everybody. So the women's movement is even going to be forerun by young white girls. What I'm saying is this murder like on some G shit. Like we talked about it, and I know you probably ain't thinking about it until I said it. But you know basketball

just as good as me if not better maybe but at the end of the day look, this is good home American cooking. Men or women. This is good old American pie right here, man. This is apple pie right here.

I know y'all like chocolate chips, but this is apple pie. I'm not in the way with them chocolate chips. This is apple pie. This is good old American apple pie. Niggas have not had superstars like this since Larry Bird. I'm telling you, it means something for white people. I'm telling you, and means something for white people. I'm telling you.

And I'm not saying it's unracial. I know because I know white people. And it's not that they're racist or unracial or whatever. Sometimes you root for your own. And there's just been no big American basketball star that's from America that's white since Larry Bird. I'm not saying there haven't been white NBA players or white WNBA players in the past, but

a superstar this magnitude hasn't been here since Larry Bird. So to get, think about that, the first two picks on the WNBA is white. When's the last time the first two picks was white people in the NBA?

Let's just be real. I don't know. I'm asking you, Max. That's been a long time. That's great. That probably was back when you probably picked stupid and stuff like that.

Yeah. Larry ain't even go number one, baby. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It was before then. It was definitely the good old boy years now. Yeah, man. So, I like to see it, man. You know, I'm just gonna call

it like I see it. I'm not against it. I'm with it. You know, y'all know what y'all gotta do out there. Y'all know what's going on. But I love to see it. I'm with it. You know what y'all got to do out there? Y'all know what's going on. But I love to see it, man. Is the ice colder when it's white? I always wanted to ask that. Is white ice colder?

I don't know. That's a good question, man. I know Taylor Clark is cold, baby. Ice cold. Andre 3000, ice cold, nigga. That ain't touching this conversation. I don't care, man.

See, that's the thing about it. I mean, that's the thing about it. I'm going to say what you, I'm not lying. What I'm lying about. You're not lying. Yeah.

Stop it when he start lying. He is not lying. I'm not lying. This is the fact right here, man. So, but like I said. Now all we need is a, an all white team like Fab Five, all freshmen next year.

Somebody got to be putting that together. It'll really be. And the whole team, I mean, WNBA from the first year. Yeah, that's going to be a minute. I think Doris Staley and them had a lot to say about that. They got a little crew over there.

Camila Cardoza, she's probably the only one that's really that much important that's leaving the team. And don't – I'm not going to sit there and cut 6'7". You know, she's 6'7". I ain't going to act like that ain't a big deal. That's a big deal. But that's probably the most – that's probably the person I was most happy for in the draft was her, was Camila, because, you know, I heard her story during the season.

And for her to come over here just to take a chance to play basketball and didn't even speak English when she came over here you know that's a big jump um coming from Brazil so I give her a lot of credit for even taking a chance because a lot of times we take for granted don't get me wrong it's money over here and it's opportunity in America I'm talking about so people take chance. But imagine if the shoe is on the other foot to wear, and I'm just using any country, and it's not disrespect to anything. It's like, you know, if you're a basketball player at 15

and somebody tells you, yo, man, I'm telling you, if you go to Turkey, that's what's going to happen for you. You're like, I don't speak Turkey, nigga's where it's going to happen for you. Like, I don't speak Turkey, nigga. Fuck you, man. I'm there. It's a big jump. So I give a lot of these players.

And I know it's a shitload of money, not just – especially her because she took a chance in high school before you even get to college. A lot of people get over there in the NBA and the money's already weighted. She didn't have a guaranteed check waiting for her. So congratulations to her. That was probably my favorite person to see get drafted last night. Yeah, shout out to her for getting drafted that early. But I'm going to ask you a question, Cam.

At 6'7", as a young lady in Brazil, what else was she going to do in Brazil? It wasn't that much. I'm just saying, it's like here you go being a male chauvinist again because you're saying if you don't, if you're 6'7 in Brazil, you can't do nothing else. That's what you're saying.

Brazil is super dangerous. What else you was talking about? Brazil is dangerous. It's super dangerous Brazil is dangerous Brazil is dangerous Brazil is super dangerous Brazil is a lot of people don't know that Brazil is fucking dangerous what else she was going to do

in Brazil but murder you think that's the only thing in danger in Brazil that's what makes the city go around you never been in brazil i've i've heard of brazil but like and i know that there's violent crimes there but yeah yeah it's that this was the this was the angel whoever told her the covenant to america because it's not it wasn't much gonna be there for him do you know that mace how do you know what's going on

in brazil how do you know that yeah it's just like the guy who you said was seven feet standing in front of the projects. It's not like if there's any trouble out there, he's going to be able to get away with it. He's going to stand out like a sore thumb. Pause. So his best bet was to take that draft.

So it's only criminals in Brazil. All you keep talking about... All I know about Brazil is like, you know when they say the, what they call it? The dark web. Testing one of the best places for the dark web, you know? So she did right by coming out of brazil i'm not saying she

couldn't have been anything but it wasn't as much risk as you talking about this was a win-win either way it was a win for them and a win for her you don't have to be listen i i'm not knocking what you're saying but I'm just not going to sit here and tell our audience this is me saying it's nothing to do but crime in Brazil I ain't got nothing to do with that

Brazil is a beautiful place for fun you know I mean you gotta have a government you gotta have a city council got to have a government. It's got to have a city council. It's got to have a downtown. It's got to... You just land and get a gun

and go to work? I'm just trying to figure out what you mean by that. You're not letting me finish. My bad. There's a downtown. But she's too tall for the downtown in brazil she wouldn't have even looked right down there it's not like the buildings are

like new york you know it's it's south america you know what i'm saying a six seven woman in south america it's that none of the the the um most of the men are not that tall. So if she's 6'7, being over here is her best life. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying it's not crime infested. It is crime infested, but this was her best opportunity. It wasn't as much risk. I didn't agree that it was as much risk as canvassing.

Not that everybody is criminal prostitutes that's what it sounds like that's what it sounds like to me it sounds like that's exactly what you're saying and listen it saying, it sounds like she had no other chance in the world but to get here. She didn't get here. It was over for her. That's what it sounds like. No, I'm saying this was her best shot. This was her best shot, and I'm happy for her,

that she made the right decision. Unlike the guy who chose to stand in front of the project, said it's seven feet. But what I'm saying is this, Murda, that nigga don't want to do nothing. He posted that clip too. Shout out to my nigga, Bear. My nigga, Doe. He posted that clip we put up the other day too and put LOL under his caption.

But hey, man, I'm not knocking your opinion. That's just not my opinion. Yeah, I'm saying it's not. Because if I was talking about Ben, I said, you know, I'm glad he took the risk. I'm basically saying it wasn't no risk for him being seven feet. It's fine with me. But you're talking about it's not a problem with me.

When the Brazilians run down at you in the airport, you tell people to keep running down on you, and they give you a lecture. What's the possibilities in Brazil? Or you happen to just sit next to somebody from Brazil, and they want to lecture you the whole flight because you think everything is City of Gods. A lot of people ain't seen the movie City of Gods.

That was in Brazil. And I'm not going to say it. You sitting here thinking about City of Gods. I'm thinking about Fast and the Furious. And you snatch your cousin. You're right. How fast and furious and all. And you snatch your cousin and all. You're right. Yeah, so I know it is a lot of crime, but I'm not, that's mace, y'all, because if you see me, I know it's something to do out there, so you don't have to stuff to me about it.

I'm pretty sure she could have been working in the, she's smart enough to work in the city council if she wanted to. Yeah, and we wish you all the best. We wish you all the best. And I'm afraid that she does very well. But what I will say is this, when she gave her speech, after she got drafted,

she said she came here to give her family a better life she definitely said that I can't make this up I'm just sorry I'm not jacking this you're going to see somebody resilient it's almost Olympics time too

you're going gonna bump into somebody um i will add since i was there yeah that speech was very emotional for her and to me what was surprising is that she actually ended up going third overall which wasn't even you know projected in the mock draft so now she got drafted to the Chicago Sky and she'll be playing with Angel Reese, which to me is very interesting because I don't know if you guys remember from the SEC tournament when we saw-

They were about to fight. Yeah, and flage. But the funny thing about it was Angel Reese was the person who did not participate in that at all. She actually sat on the bench and didn't do anything, which now we see that was one of the best decisions because imagine if she would have swung or did something that would have been crazy yeah and stat stat to further indicate my point right she got the mic and said she was there

to give her family a better life. That means there wasn't a lot of risk. It was a blessing. Your stat. You hear an echo? Didn't I just say that? What? I thought I just said that.

OJ is in heaven saying I got a grasp on the obvious. Yeah, you got a grasp on the obvious. I just heard OJ. Yeah, but as far as having Angel Reese, we'll see. We'll see what happens. Like I said, I'm not going to say and act like I know about. The last thing I know about Chicago is I used to love

Elena Deladova, if I'm pronouncing her name right. She was super nice, man. She kept getting hurt a lot during her career, but I was a big fan of hers. I'm not sure, and people will kill me if it isn't the Chicago team that she played for

but I thought it was Chicago and injuries messed up but she was really really good white girl as well she was nice and then another player I didn't want to bring it up because there's a lot going on like in front of me was um Kim Mulkey Dawn Staley and then on stage with Gino behind me there was Paige Beckers like there was a lot, it was, it was, it was a stacked crowd, but what was super cool is behind me was Kate Martin. She plays at Iowa with Caitlin Clark or because they used to, she wasn't even expected to get drafted. Right. She went to go support Caitlin Clark out of nowhere, you know,

cameras pull up and they're like, Oh, you might have to move a seat. So we're looking like, what, like what she got to move a seat for all of a sudden, you know, the next round she gets drafted, shout out to the aces. She gets drafted to the aces. So that was a cool opportunity to see as well, because I think it was a lot of like uncertainty. Like we kind of knew a little bit of the draft board for the first round, but as the second and third round came across, it's like, we didn't know exactly what would happen so to see caitlyn's teammate get drafted and not even knowing just after supporting her friend was also super dope to see so it was a night full of surprises for some people which was super dope but that's one thing i guess that no i'm sorry guys no you can make your point because i was

gonna move along but i want to hear what you had to say. That's how good Caitlin Clark is. Just come along for the trip. Get on the flight. You never know. Fucking with me. You never know. That's how nice. They feeling me. You want to be?

No, what I'm saying is when you Caitlin Clark friend, I'm trying to say murder. If you pause, if you're you Caitlin Clark friend I'm trying to say murder if you you know pause if you're in Caitlin Clark's situation you're like killer just get on the flight give it all I'm telling you come with me and shit might work out your

way I'm telling you I'm like I ain't fucking I ain't got nothing else to do I'll fucking roll out see how I go and get drafted it's crazy congratulations to her as well yeah so shout out to her and we'll see her in vegas so speaking of caitlin clark a big conversation right now is her salary is expected to be 338 056 over the four years that she's supposed to be with indiana right so is this price point shocking to you guys what do you guys think about what her

expected salary is supposed to be how much again 338 000 over four years 300 like per year or 90 that's gonna be around 90 000 a year nah she can't put it a big three she gotta go to a big three tell them niggas I'll be there for some games I don't know this is too crazy I don't know if I'll be able to turn down 5 million for 80

that's sad who own who own the Indiana on FIBA we might need a team. Because for real, they got to pay them girls more than that. They got to pay them more. What it probably is is that it's a salary cap like the NBA.

You can only make but so much per year, you know, to try and keep competition leveled it isn't baseball is the only sport with no salary cap you could just pay everybody two billion dollars um so it's probably the salary cap but yeah man i got 90 000 in my pocket right now. That's what I was thinking. It's just like, yo. Yeah, I got a book. I can pay for four players right now. Yeah, like, we got to figure out how to get these females some more money because they're talented.

They're putting in the work. Obviously, they're becoming an attraction. But I was doing my homework throughout the season next year is a big deal depending on these ratings how it goes this season for the wmba um their tv deal is up so if they get the viewers this year and uh caitlin clark brings as much excitement to the WNBA as she did to college basketball for women, then that renegotiation

is crazy. Because we got to think about this, it's a salary cap, but it's probably the third or fourth time bringing it up, but how much do the Indiana Pacers, Indiana Fever get for the TV deals?

See, Kobe opened up that can of worms years ago, and that's why the salary cap keeps going up and up and up for players in the NBA to where we're seeing a Jalen Brown getting a $325 million contract. Or when we see Giannis get $290

million. You know, every year is going up like, and pardon me, I said Jason Tatum. Jalen Brown, pardon me, $325,000 contract. And when Jason Tatum's contract comes up, it's going to be even higher. Because what Kobe did was make the Players Association realize, oh, the fuck off. We're not getting none of this TV money. Because it was a year when Kobe was asked to take less money.

And he said, I'm absolutely not going to take less money because they wanted him to take less money to get better players on the Lakers. And I don't know, let's say the salary cap around that time, I know it's raised since then. I think it was 58 million, something around there.

And Kobe was taking like close to 30. So they would say, Kobe, we only got about 25, 30 million left to get good players. He said, well, figure it out. Y'all just did a $3 billion TV deal. Where that money at? So I won't take less money because if you're doing a TV deal and I'm the one they turning on the TV to watch, why would I take less money?

And they got hip to watch. Why would I take less money? And they got hip to that, and ever since then, the salary cap for the men has been going up year after year after year, and we'll see what happens with the Raiders this year, and hopefully they'll get a better deal when their contract is up. The WNBA, I'm talking

about, and females can make some more money, but they'll make a shitload of money on on um endorsements and so on and so forth it's like michael joy and i think it's a crime personally that that man made 111 million dollars his whole career and you know scotty pippen made more than michael jordan in his nba career now of course we're going by the jortons the sneakers and that's what made him you know he's still probably the best sneaker seller ever at least from an athlete's point of view if i'm wrong maybe somebody from

soccer from overseas i don't know about in america pardon the run that Michael Jordan is on since 1984, 85 whatever year it was it's just been amazing but shit for a nigga to only make 111 million dollars his whole career and then you got people like

Jalen Brown who just made 325 for five years it's like god damn man I know the economy changed it's growth etc etc damn, man. I know the economy changed, there's growth, et cetera, et cetera. But what if Mike ain't had the sneakers? It would have been outright travesty. Yeah. Yeah, that's amazing.

I know they just paid the young boy out there in Phoenix $70 million for four years. Mike made it $111 million. So it's a whole different time. And it's just, it goes to that point that sometimes you don't get paid here, but you get paid much, much greater than something else. So I think he, I think he, it worked out for him with the running sneakers that I have. You know, here we are in 2024 2024 and i think those sneakers came out

in 84 it's crazy i mean that's what he is strong absolutely no decline yeah absolutely 100 it would just piss me off i'm just saying given a scenario yeah if i'm just giving a scenario, we, and like I said, I never considered this work, but I'm just saying if we had to come here for free, and I ain't going to say for free, to make some money somewhere else.

I got to come here, because if I don't come here, I won't make money over there, but I'm not making money over here. That shit is crazy. Let me keep coming over here with Mason's stack and

don't make no money so that I can make money over there, but if I don't do this, I won't make that. I don't think that's right. Yeah, that's the Jedi mind trick that they've been running on niggas for ages. Well, you know right here, this is just your promotion. You really go and you get over here.

This is just a stone. This is getting your feet wet. Yeah. I need to get paid while my feet are getting wet. Yeah. I never told a story. That's how I got the name M.A. Dollar sign. Nigga Kuda would say,

yo, mate, I mean, this is just to get your feet wet, nigga. When you get your foot wet, nigga, you know how much money you're looking at? I said, K looking at dude i understand niggas is getting their feet wet but i need to get paid now tomorrow ain't promised we need to get paid now while i'll be getting wet he said yo you want to get paid for everything i listen, if it's charity, somebody's getting paid. Yeah, and a lot of times young artists may not even understand what you're talking about because they have technology that we didn't have.

And just to be clear for our audience, what Mace is trying to say, I know what he's saying, and you might not know what he's saying, but I'm just going to give you an example of what he's saying. Now, if you're a new artist, you have the internet, you have social media, you have different outlets to where you can be a TikTok star, niggas want to book you for a show, or you have a hit on the internet, nas gonna book you for a show so you get paid immediately before these tools were in effect I'm talking about social media

the internet anything else what record companies used to do is tell you we gonna put you on the road so that people get to know you so you're going to do 20-30 shows for free you'll get money to eat

in a hotel room but you will really be going to do shows for free. You'll get money to eat in a hotel room, but you will really be going to do shows for free and it's called a promotional tour. Yeah. So, you'll sit there and be like... And when you're young, you know, at that time it's different, when you're younger you sit there and be like... When you get back home, you're like, yeah, I just came back from Texas. I was in Brazil. I was in Honolulu. You know, Portland. They'd say, yo, let me hold $5 to the check clear, though.

You just came from everywhere, but you still got to borrow money to get something to eat. So that's what Mace is referring to. Mace is saying when he first – and that situation was a little different too as well, Mason. I know that you had to do a promotional tour, but you kind of just stepped in, and I'm not going to say stepped because we was part of the grind. I'm talking about your first introduction to the world. It was kind of like overnight for certain people because you just jumped on a 112 song with Biggie and 112 and probably shine more than everybody on the song

So it was kind of immediate for you. Your promotional tour wasn't the average promotional tour for the rest of us I was getting was a damn I was only getting down. I was headlining and getting put down. Killer, remember? That's how niggas would be mad at me. They're like, yo, this nigga Mason, sharing the money. I'm like, nigga, I didn't get paid yet.

They telling me I got to get my feet wet. This is what I'm trying to say. You talking about Brazil. Imagine you get off this stage it's it's it's 20,000 people that it's how much you got oh we get $50 a day for food yeah I dig it oh I came home nigga say yo you was the headliner I said what's the headliner? You're the nigga going last. How much you got? Are we getting like $150,000?

Nigga said, $150,000? That's what's up. I said, no, $150,000. You're wondering why I'm the way I am. I got to get paid. There ain't no way around it. And I turn on the TV and Killer got a pink mink on. I'm saying these niggas is getting paid.

Yeah, but we had to fight for that literally. Yeah, imagine me turning my TV on. I say, yo yo these niggas is that pink first now that was after two albums i realized i was getting jerked though and then i said then then that and that's that was the people a lot of people don't know see the pink mink is on the third third. That wasn't out the gate. That's when Pink Mink was all because of, and I'm not proud

to say this, and I'm not bragging or saying anything like this, but the Pink Mink came on virus. So they had you getting your feet wet too. Oh, my feet was getting wet for three and a half years. So like Kim was saying, we didn't have the internet. So there was nobody there to tell you,

you getting beat, you getting beat. You didn't know you was getting beat. Pause. That's a fact. You had no way to figure out what they said with your life. Yeah. And they took to be honest with you, it took

a mole in Epic Records to fuck with me. They told me what was going on. They could say yo, home girl liked me. She going on. They could say, yo, home girl liked me. She was cool. She said, yo, I just want to let you know, they spent

no money in your marketing, but you got a marketing budget of $200,000. They spent $7,500, but they had a market and got the new Benz and just came back from vacation. What? I don't know that all of a sudden $30,000

missing out your marketing budget. That's just me. I don't know. You don't know? Hold on. What you talking about? You don't know? You just happy to be able to record deal in the beginning. Yeah, shout out to her. Shout out to

Sonya Norwood, Brandy Moms. She was the one putting me on to games. She said, how much you got paid? I told her how much I got paid. She said, no way. I need to see that paperwork. I said, I don't even know what's the paperwork. Yeah, because

when people don't realize it makes us that... And I be looking at shit, and I be like, damn, I wish I had the technology niggas had. I probably have two billion right now. But at the end of the day, to get a record deal wasn't just like go get a record deal.

Right now, you don't even probably need one with Distro Kids and Tune tune core and all that other shit but to get a record deal that shit was like hitting the lotto it wasn't guaranteed to happen so yeah man you know just different times man well those are some dope stories and i definitely think the younger generation takes a lot of things for granted because a lot of things are accessible. So thank you all both for sharing that. Super dope. We're going to go to break.

Real quick. You know how to tell a clock with hands? Yeah. All right. Just checking. Why? Because a lot of people your age don't. All right, just checking. Why? Why? Because a lot of people your age don't. They don't. I learned that in school, too.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. When y'all got me to watch, I had to know how to tell time. That would be crazy. I don't know. They did a joint where they was asking college kids, what's this, showing them different shit. They didn't know what a beeper was. They didn't know what a quarter to three was on a clock.

And these was college students. So I was just wondering if you knew that. Yeah, I know a little something. Not everything, but I know a little bit of things. You ain't know a rotary phone. That's why I asked. I was just wondering. You didn't know what a rotary was.

I'm assuming it's the thing with the dial but like I've never seen I've never seen one of those I never sorry don't apologize it's all good murder send one of them people to be like yeah when electricity go out you can't use your phone one of them people to be like, yeah, when electricity go out. You can't use your phone. I said, Sid, when is the electricity going out? Oh, you don't remember the blackout in 01? The blackout in 01?

Hell, my niggas. They definitely were the niggas. Yeah, they get the door locked. They had a stick down the door. Oh, the metal stick, the metal joint. Your dad don't know about that door. Yeah, that door is crazy. Put that lock on. Don't go to sleep without that lock on that door.

Yeah, that metal ball was crazy. Okay, we're going to go to break, and when we return, we will discuss the Pelicans versus the Lakers. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back. Now let's get into our Underdog Fantasy picks of the day. So for the play-in tonight, the Lakers will play the Pelicans.

Underdog Fantasy has LeBron James at four and a half first quarter points. Do you have him higher or lower, Mace? Higher. Underdog is giving the money away um i'm gonna actually say i think he's gonna have four points in the first quarter so that's fucked up i'm gonna go i'm gonna go higher as well lebron at 13 assists in the first half i see he's trying to get his players involved before he goes crazy.

I'm going to go higher, though. It's a one-game situation for them. Really too much still. Anthony Davis has 24 and a half points. Do you have him higher or lower cam? I don't know if that nigga hurt or not is he playing he better play

LeBron gonna snatch that nigga out his bed pause and try to act like he don't play he can't play I'm gonna go higher for them to win he needs to have more than 24 points I'm gonna go higher he needs to have more than 24 points. He's going to go high. How do you think, Mace? I think he's going to have lower.

Okay. And Zion is at five and a half assists. Do you have him higher or lower, Mace? Lower. I'm going to go lower, too. I don't know what it is about Zion maybe he'll watch the film from the other day when they played against the Lakers but it just seemed like

the Lakers and LeBron for that matter had his number it was like when Zion when LeBron was drawing Zion, Zion wasn't even comfortable. It was like me looking from the television, it was almost like, damn, I'm playing against a nigga I grew up with this whole, loving this whole year.

And he's been in the league for a while, so them jitters should have been over with. But he was like pushing his arm away to get LeBron away from him. And LeBron did a great job guarding Zion a really really great job um so I'm gonna say he needs to play better this game and maybe he went and watched some tape and see where he messed up at I'm gonna go higher all right and then with that download the underdog fantasy app and you can make your

picks too so as we know this is the play-in game what is your guys's prediction ahead of the game that will happen tonight well the well to start from where cam just finished talking about, when it comes to Zion versus LeBron, that's the matchup. And it seems like when LeBron first played against Zion, when Zion first came in the league, it seemed like they had no answer for Zion. Now it seems like, like Killer said,

that Zion needs to watch tape, but it seems like LeBron has already watched his tape, and therefore he knows what he doesn't like to do, and he's pushing him in that direction, and it seemed like that's what I was watching when they were playing. And when he was playing them the first year that he came into the league, LeBron wouldn't hardly even guard Zion. But now something's switched, and sometimes it's like that.

You're just that guy that came into the league with freak of nature speed or athleticism, but people have now figured it out, and now you got to build on that game. And so Cam is absolutely right. He got to go back and watch tape, but he also got to, on an offseason, add something to his repertoire. He can't just bully niggas and jump over niggas and dunk every time. He got to actually give it some other skills.

Yeah, I think Zion's having – I'm sorry, Mason. I didn't mean to cut you off. Go ahead. Yeah, but I think he's a phenomenal talent. I think he got, you know, a lot of raw athleticism. But if he adds some things to his game, like a pull-up, just different things he could add, a floater, you know, it's stuff, there's a lot of stuff he could add to that game

that could make him really unstoppable. Go ahead, Kelly. Yeah. So who are you picking to win the game? Lakers. I'm going with the Lakers. Anthony Davis or no Anthony Davis? I'm going with the Lakers.

I ain't going with them with no Anthony Davis. I think that I'm going with the Lakers as well assuming Anthony Davis is healthy but I don't think it'll be the blowout that we seen two days ago in the final game of the season I think that

CJ McCullough, a great veteran he knows what's at stake. Brandon Ingram, that was his first game back. Maybe he can get a little better game. Because it ain't all about Zion. New Orleans has a decent team.

And it's about what's going to happen outside of Zion as well. But it can't be all Zion with the team that they have. But LeBron, just going back to Sunday's game, nobody on the court, New Orleans or the Lakers, wanted it more than LeBron. You could see it in his eyes.

You could see how he's getting. LeBron, I believe, four steals. You know, he had a steal right before the half. He ended up missing the dunk. But it was like, bro, this man is 39 years old, sprinting up and down the court, playing

tremendous defense or whoever he has to play defense on, getting players involved, scoring when he needs to score listen man it makes no sense that that man has more fire in his eyes than anybody else on that court and i think that'll be the deciding factor um going off if everybody's healthy lebron james so i'm going with the lakers all right and then moving along kind of just going back to women's sports just for a little bit so serena williams said she would be super interested in owning a wmba team she said with the right market i would definitely be super interested in that. I think women's sports is having a moment that it always should have. So one, is that something that you could see

happening? And then B, hypothetically speaking, if you could own any team, right, what would it be or have ownership in any team? And not even just WNBA team in general, which do you think has the best value i like soccer actually um when when i saw the um team down there in miami with the um pink uniforms the pink and black were messy and they was inviting everybody down there i just thought that was a great place to put soccer and a great – Huh? Inter-Miami. Yeah, yeah. I really like soccer.

If I was investing, that's what I would invest in as a team. Yeah. Mace, what do you think about Serena williams buying a wmba team that's what she asked me she asked me what what would we and what would we do right that's what you're two is a two-part question all right what do i think about serena getting into women's basketball? I'm not sure, really. I watched Michael Jordan get into going to look at the Charlotte Hornets, and I'm not sure if all athletes do well at home in teams.

You know, sometimes you need that objective view. I think she would do great, but I'm not sure. You done? I ain't want to cut you off. Yeah, I'm done. Yeah. Anybody want to get in the WNBA bandwagon now?

You better get in early. You better get in there because Kaitlyn is raising the price up. So I think it's dope that women are at a place, and especially former women athletes, I don't want to say former because maybe she'll play again, but to a place where they have enough money to potentially own teams.

You know, Mace is not a part of anything women run. He's not for that. So we'll be clear about that. Tim, I would buy a WNBA team. I didn't say that you wouldn't. I'm just saying that you're not with nothing that women leads men in. So you can definitely, nobody, you can't be a part of that if you're under Serena. So I'm just saying, you're not into that.

That ain't your thing. Like they say, every strong man has a woman by his side. I don't believe she's in back of him. I don't believe she's in front of him. I believe they stand side by side. I'm just going on what you side by side. I'm just going on what you said. Yeah, I'm not.

The way you make it sound like I'm saying stay here. I'm not saying stay there. You're right. Like Jaden Kidd said, by my side. Right? Listen, I'm glad you clarified that because the way you made it seem is that moment. Oh yeah, I'm glad you clarified that because the way you made it seem

is that moment I'm a big advocate for women I believe that they are great in a lot of things I'm just an advocate you're an advocate now I'm an advocate for structure I believe when things are

built correctly they stand longer you know what I'm saying I wouldn't want a big building that fall apart. I like to build things sturdy and build them the way they go. Order, it leads to excellence. I like excellence. I like to be able to. What does this have to do with anything more than being the boss?

What is the structure? If the woman is the boss. Hey, Kim. Structure. You're Cam. Instructions. Instructions. Wow. Instructions. I'm just saying.

The other day, your exact words was I don't believe a woman should lead men in anything. Now I understand. Let me give you clarity, Cam. Yeah, no problem. There's only one reason. There's only one thing a woman has to do to be a queen.

You know what that is? What's that? Marry a king. That's it. That's the only way she could be a queen. All right. Well, a lot of people, a lot of people. You like that, Nick?

Yeah. Yeah. Mike Tyson. Mike, look, Mike Tyson, killer. Mike Tyson. I'm just saying, a lot of people consider Stat the queen of this show, and she's not married to anybody. Thank you.

You said it right. You said it right. You said it right, killer. You said it right. You said it right. You said it right. You said it right. A lot of people consider that the Vita Queen.

Yeah. I'm just telling you. Look at that, Kilo. I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you people like, yo, look, we had talked about this on the show a few months ago. This is powerful. This is powerful, Kim.

I love when you do this because you put me in my bag. You know what I'm saying? No problem. Go, go, killer, go. I'm just telling you, we had a whole not a debate really defending ourselves against that when people was like, y'all disrespecting that Black queen

up there. And everything else. I'm just saying, we don't really have kings and queens in America, so when you're referring to marrying a king, that doesn't really go for this country. I get what you're referring to marrying a king, that doesn't really go for this country. So I get what you're saying, but that's England and London and all that.

So you can marry anybody you want out here in America. You'll never be technically a real queen. So you're considered a queen. That's all I was saying. Ooh. Keep going, Gil. I like that. No, I'm done. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm just saying. I'm done. Look, I'm just saying what you said. I was just repeating what you said. I heard a lady say this. I would just repeat what you said. That from now but then, that's all. I heard a lady say this. I heard a lady say this. I heard women say this often

on the internet. They said that the black woman is the most unprotected woman there is. They said there's nobody more unprotected than a black woman.

And that's the terminology that I'm speaking up for. If you put out front and you put a where she's out front, she's not going to be protected because she's in front of her protection. She's got to be

with her protection to be protected because she's in front of her protection. She got to be with her protection to be protected. If you run out in front of your blockers, nobody can block for you. So society sets up this terminology to make a person feel like a boss, only to put them somewhere where they're not protected. So they end up with the money, but they don't end up with the other pieces that go along with making them whole. And the purpose of a woman is to be whole.

Did you give me an example of what you're talking about? Because it just sounds like a bunch of spinning. I don't really understand what you're talking about. Give me an example. I'm here to learn. Give me an example of what you're talking about. She goes out. She becomes this phenomenal businesswoman, right?

She's making a bunch of money. But when she finds herself trying to do certain things, she feels like people are taking advantage of her. She's not, or in some cases, physically unprotected, emotionally unprotected, all of the other ways other than financial. Because that's not the way she's supposed to be set up. You know, the way she's supposed to be set up is where everything is good, not just her money. Her emotions are well, her mental as are well her mental as well a physical as well and that only happens when she's like in her purpose like her purpose allows her to get the greatness that's

put in her without a purpose she's just existing what's a woman's purpose there thank you killer now you're going yeah yeah i want to hear this what's the purpose real her real purpose oh this is this is gonna be phenomenal i i need an hour for this kim i can't just do this say it say it i want to hear it what's the woman's purpose i want to hear it I want to hear it. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Say it.

A woman's real purpose is to help her family become everything the legacy of our family is to be. So she's supposed to nurture our children. She's supposed to help raise our children, help cultivate our children. She's supposed to raise her, help raise her children, help cultivate our

children, help them to be what the identity for the children is, and to ultimately be there with the man to help them create the family that's supposed to be. Because when a family does well, money is not a problem. Money is just a problem when a family doesn't work out. So you'll find poverty where you find families that are broken, where families are a whole. Poverty doesn't exist. So you take the man out of the equation. That's why she felt like she has to get money. That's why everybody's number one focus is the money because the family is broken. Where the family is not broken, money is one of the last things that people think about. Right, Jackie, man, bro. It's families just together that's broke and it's couples that

ain't together that's rich. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Yo, bro, that didn't even make no sense. Yo, bro. So if you're together, if you're married and have a good family. You saw Nick's face when I was saying this? You have to have money if you're together. But if you're broken up, you don't have money. That's what you're saying?

I don't get it. No, no, no. I'm saying where you'll find poverty at its highest is where their families are broken. Where you find people that are sometimes the richest are mainly where families are whole. You take some of the billionaires out there. They're mainly people that are married to their high school sweetheart. They're not baddies they're like this regular old lady i mean i mean you know a lot of rich people just ask them how their wife look or tell them hey i want to meet you and your family if you rich your wife ain't bad

because if you got her from high school no i'm just saying that i'm trying to give you the logistics around what we're talking about. I'm really trying to learn. That's why I'm listening. In a black community, right? Because that's what we're talking about because we brought up stat. In the area where she is and such women, like she comes from a family. If you asked her about a family, um, they weren't impoverished, but they weren't impoverished because she got a dad there.

She got a mom there and not just they're there together, but they're working together. If they're not working together, then poverty is going to be present. That's, that's the, that's the reaction to that brokenness. So when you got people running, like young ladies running after getting money, they most times don't end up with the money. They end up more broken because whatever the money they get, they end up having to use that to repair their brokenness if that makes sense

does that make sense it actually does but when you make statements too it's interesting because i think cam's also asking questions that people may have when they hear you say certain things so it's back and forth yeah that's why i said i need more. That's why I said I would need more time to really answer everything. Hey, Jackie. I'm not Jackie. The gist of it is. What about, and Nick, when I say these names,

could you beep the names out, please? Because I want to ask some more questions. Go ahead. What about. What about. They the Galmatons. But that's what I'm talking about. That's not what I mean about being together.

People that stay together in toxicity is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about like Stat and her dad and her mom, like that love that they have for each other, it causes them to create an environment where they figure out their problems. They don't destroy each other to get what they get. So in that other equation that you was asking, Killer, they destroy each other to get what they get. That's where you get child support from. That's where you get all of that, where people are destroying the other

person to get what they get. And even with child support, a child always does better in a house where both of their parents are there. Because if you ask a child, do you want to go with the dad or the mom, they'll always say, I want both of my parents. I don't want to have to choose which one. I don't want to decide if I go here for Christmas or there for Thanksgiving. I want us all to be together. But, you know, I didn't grow up like that. So it's different for me.

So I dig what you're saying. But to me, my personal opinion dig what you saying but to me my personal opinion on what you're saying is that you installed this in certain people and you gotta back it up I'm just saying I think this been told to people

before you gotta stand on what you say, because if you don't, it's going to be like murder six years ago. You ain't say this, man. That's what I think. Even in the hood, right, what they used to say. They used to say, because they didn't understand what I was saying, they would say it's cheaper to keep her.

You ever heard that? Absolutely, Yep. So in that understanding, they understand that they understood that as a child, like being in a mix of that, if you break up their salary, like if you had to pay for two homes versus one house, it helps the child to get more from the parents. Once you break it up and they go their separate ways, the child is actually living off half of what the family got, which puts them in a terrible position and keeps the negative cycle going over and over again. But that's what I said. I need an hour.

I need an hour. I think you made some terrific points. I think that what you said made a lot of sense. But I don't think that's for every family in America. And I don't think that you're going to be successful just from that format. But I do think you're correct in what you're saying and I understood your point 100%. I just think it's different scenarios for different people. Because at the end of the day, look, I didn't grow up

with my father, but for a time I stayed with my grandparents. So I had a male figure in the house and I know you had a stepfather in the house as well. And I don't think neither one of them niggas helped us become who we are today. So I think we figured that out. So I'm not going to speak for you. Me personally.

Yeah, you're right. You're right. I like, Luck is my nigga though. That was my, I fuck with that nigga. That was my man. My grandfather was cool too, but nah. That was my, I fucked with that nigga. That was my man. My grandfather was cool too,

but nah, I tell a nigga, I want to do the album. I'm out of my damn mind. Niggas wasn't supportive. They didn't really see it. So, but you made some great points

and I'm happy that you cleared that up because people may have looked at what you said the other day differently. So you, you explained that very well. Back to Serena Williams real quick so we can move on. I think it's dope.

She comes from a two parent home as well. Great structure in her house and it probably did make her become the woman, woman that she is today. So that was a great, it was great the way you broke that down. I think it's dope. If I had to pick a team that I own, me personally, Mason's

right. Them soccer teams make a lot of bread. Not in America. The ones overseas. Madrid, all them soccer teams over there make more money than American sports. But if I'm going to pick a team that I can own, I'm going to the top of the food chain.

It's either going to be the Dallas Cowboys or the Yankees. I don't got time to figure it out. The Cowboys are worth $9 billion. They're the highest paid franchise in football. I don't got time to rebuild and figure it out. They probably sell the most merch, too.

I was thinking about merch as well. All that's included. You're not going to just make that off ticket sales. I pulled it up real quick. I'll just give you the top five teams, four teams real quick. It's the Dallas Cowboys, number

one, the New York Yankees, number two, Golden State Warriors, number three, and New England Patriots, number four. So give me the top. Golden State, number three? That's good. That's good.

You cut them off, Nick? No. But Golden State being at number three is super dope. But, I mean, I think this means that's all the time that we have for today. Y'all do kill him off. Kill him. You wildin'. I had to kick you out. all the time that we have for today. Y'all do came off. You wild and I had to kick you out. Don't come back here

with that ever again. Nah, I see you tomorrow, killer. Right. Okay. That's all the time we have for today. Thank you all for watching. And as always, it is what it is. Like when they doing them two for five. you all for watching and as always it is what it is