IT IS WHAT IT IS - O'SHAQUIE FOSTER SAYS SHAKUR STEVENSON IS P**SY, PODCAST P IS SUSPENDED & NO BLACK COACHES HIRED IN THE NFL IS WILD!

Episode Date: February 2, 2026

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This is what it is. This episode is presented by Underdog. If you're new to Underdog, today's the day, gets $75 in fantasy bonus entries. When you play just $5 on fantasy with code, it is what it is. The big game is this week. An Underdog is celebrating by hooking you up with a big reveal. So make sure I'll head to the app. Choose your player and see what discount you'll get. Underdog is available right now in most states, including Florida, Texas, and California,

just to name a few. make sure y'all support the show. Lock in your bonus and start playing today with code. It is what it is. I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stabbaby, along with your host, Mace and Cam. And today we are joined with our analyst Michael Irvin. And y'all, today we got a special guest, O Shockey Foster. It was good, man.

It was good. Mike was good. Hey, what's the deal? Shock, don't come on here trolling, shock. Don't do it. I'm telling you straight up from the jump killer, I don't got time for this today, man. Yeah.

What's the deal, man? Yo, what's good with you, Shuck? Man, just chilling, man. Okay. Well, good to see you. You know, y'all, you got to talk about this fight. Mike, how are you doing before we get started? I'm doing well.

I'm doing well. Just sitting here telling down in Miami, man. It's cold in Miami. I just got here. I'm like, man, it's never. like this in Miami. So, you know, I'm locked in. So it's all good.

So it's all good. Good to hear. It'll warm up eventually. Okay, but let's get straight to it. Let's talk about this fight. So Shakur defeated Tiafima Lopez by unanimous decision to win a title in a fourth weight class. Oshaki, we're going to start with you.

We got to know your thoughts. What did you think about the fight as a whole? What are we thinking here? Man, I thought it was a great performance. moments. I thought, I thought T.O. was going to be able to do a little more, but he got iced out. Sure. Okay. So you were banking on T.O. to win? I had a slight edge to T.L. But I didn't really just have him just going to win. I mean,

I had it more close with a 50-50 fight. But it's just a court-washed him. Okay. We got more questions following up. But Mike, to get your opinion on the fight as a whole before we go to Mace, then can't. I didn't get a chance to be honest with to see the fight, you know, but I, but I understood, listen, because Steve was supposed to be a bad boy a long time ago, you know what I'm saying. So, so, oh, yeah, I didn't get a chance to see, and you can, from what I understand, I guess he dominated the fighter, a deal pretty good in the fight, but I don't want to blow, and I didn't get a chance to see it.

I've been traveling. Yeah, I mean, I think it was an amazing performance, you know. It was like a master boxing class. I really didn't want to believe that T.O. did all of that, all those antics before the fight because he really knew he couldn't beat the niggic Shakur. And I'm starting to believe Shakur might knows what he's talking about. I don't know how killer feel about it. But are you on the best of your best?

bandwagon now, killer? I ain't on nobody bandwagon. I ain't never been on my bandwagon, naked. You ain't switching up. I ain't, I ain't never switched up. See, you know what niggis problem is? The niggas in my DM for bullshit. This was going on.

The man had a whole fight in Newark, New Jersey. It was, he won the fight, which was great. The point of the, the point is to win the fight. People were boring him, a bunch of analysts, including Mason, myself, commented on us, but because it's mason, myself, we suck us, we bitch-ass niggas, we don't know what we're talking about. Besides the hundred of other analysts that said the same thing. So it led to some type of dispute.

Then when he, not dispute, you know, back and forth or whatever. Then he had a great performance his last fight, and I would Tio to fight previous to this. And I said, yo, the kid looked really, really good, man. The nigger looked nice. But the point being good, bad, or ugly now, excitement sells tickets. Yeah.

But the point is to win the fight. If even, you know, the fight that I'm talking about when he got booed in Newark, he won the fight and was still mad. That's how you know it wasn't a great performance, because if you win the fight still get booed and you mad, if that was me, if I'm Shakur and Names Boone, I don't give a fuck, I got the W.

It's still an O on my record, et cetera. I would have been on that type of time. But he performed really good in his previous fight. Then last night to the fight, his T.O., he pissed the shut out. I think they gave T.O. around out of pity, to be totally honest with you. We was watching the fight. We was like, yo, if we got to pick around, just give him this one.

At least he hit him with a rib shot. Defense looked really good. Jab looks stupendous. And leading up to this fight, like Mace Allure, too is a lot of antics from Tio, a lot of antics from his father. And he also was talking about how, in the amateurs that Shakur and Aguir and a bunch of other, I guess they was clicked up in the amateurs. And Tio was like, yeah, I was like the nerd.

They wouldn't let me hang out with them. Now I'm the man. and you got to come fight me. And, yeah, I remember the amateurs they wouldn't let me hang out. This is why they didn't let you hang out, Tio? This is why. I see why they didn't let you hang out.

He whipped your ass. Tio been on the show. There was the shit, he whipped the shit out. Listen, man, I was mad at Tio. I was mad. Because he talked mad at shit. Don't get me wrong, Tio was on our show as well.

And he's talking shit on our show. The nigger was going around calling him black niggas monkeys. We checked him on our show about the nigger T.O. When he's called niggins mugger, he's like, yo, what's up with that? He said he didn't mean it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Brother, you're line-stopper.

You had a take, you didn't want to be elaborate on your take. Don't start off on my take. I got shit to say. If you want to be 30%, that's on you. I'm giving my whole take. That's on you. That's how you want to lie-step me. I got shit to say.

Anyway, he gave, all these, antics leading up to the fight. He came on our show and we checked them about calling black people monkeys. He was like, no, I didn't mean it like that. Like murder said, he did say that. But after the fight, the niggicicor beat him so bad that he

apologized for slavery and everything else. They said, I'm sorry to the slaves. And he put up black for the stuff. Y'all the niggum was like this. He said black he did everything but say black power. That's how bad he got beat, but I was very

disappointed about his performance. I thought he'd do better. But round 4, 5, 6, I don't know why you're trying to box with a boxer. And for round 4, 5, 6, you both should just do this. And just throw a haymaker at this point. Do anything to compete, my nigga. You wasn't going to win in a boxing match after round 7.

He's one of the best boxers. I'm not talking about brawlers. I'm not talking about fighters. Talk about get hit-for-hit. Arguably the best defensive fighter in the game right now. Why are you trying to box him in round 8? Listen, and the last thing I'll say before I ask shock your question is this, what the fuck was your father doing as a trainer?

Like the father, the nigger. Go hit him. Yeah, we all know that he's getting beat. But you don't come back to the corner of the father say, yo, you're going to be mad at yourself tomorrow. In between the next round, the nigger said, yo, you got to go out there and hit the nigger. Ain't that the game playing when you start boxing niggins period?

They hit a nigger? I didn't understand what the positive is fucking talking about. about, man. And then he just, you know, the pops, yo, you gotta get rid of that, nigga. The nigga didn't know what round it was. He said, what round we in? You go, you told me. He said, we can still winters. It's an habitual line stuff in show today. What round is it? Nick, I just came back. You tell

me what round it is. I was very disappointed at the whole family as a whole. I know they caught some Spanish niggas some money. You know I should go. murder when niggas in the block. He'd be like, yo, you sure your son got him? Because I'm gonna put 40,000 on them. Yeah, yeah, we got them. I know they had to go to the safe house in PA.

They couldn't have went back to Brooklyn because it was that bad. And that's how I felt about the fight. Very disappointing, T.O. Great champion, you got time to bounce back. But why was you trying to outbox one of the best defensive boxes? And after the sixth round,

just on the point system, you post a go in there and wild out. At this point, look, Knock him all to get knocked out. You're not going to win on the points. After round seven, it would have just been some wild shit for me. I would have just been throwing,

hey, may, all type of shit, because you're not, you're still trying to box in round 10? You down 10, zero. That's how to fight went, man. Yo, shot, you said Shakur was pussy. How you feel now? Would you talk about,

but you think you still could beat him? Because he looked good. Look good last night. Now what? What you got to say now? And first of all, I got a disclaimer. I went against you to, last fight, I was totally wrong. I humbled myself. I was there, you killed the nigger.

Kill boy. I don't know what the fuck, cool boy was thinking with them Timberlands and the Puerto Roy short saw. He wore Timberliss. That ass. He was wearing Timber, he's wearing beef and broccoli he's in the fight. I was like, what the fuck going on? He had some fucking basketball shorts sort and shit. I picked the wrong fight after the fight. Shockey and his team sat next to me. Y'all was very gracious with me. Y'all didn't get, y'all gave me about seven. I told you and it wasn't crazy. So, you know, I deserved, I deserved at least 14, I told you, so's. Yeah.

But you look really good, you know, that was another great boxing master performance you did against Cool Boy. It was tremendous. But when you was on the show last time, you didn't really respect Chacore. Where are you at with him right now as seeing that fight last night? Man, I'm still in the same position. He puts it to me it. And it ain't going to change.

I understand this, look. I understand this, look. He had a great performance against T.O. But I do understand that T.O. is an up-and-down fighter. He's had great performances, but he's also had terrible performances. Against South Paul's that, you know, he's had great performances against South Paul, but he has terrible performance against South Paul. I ain't taking nothing away from, bro, but, you know, I just did the same thing to my opponent a month ago.

So, you know, we need to, I feel like we need to. I feel like we need to bump. I ain't going to lie. You put on it. It was a very, very similar performance. I'm not going to lie. It was very, very good. But come on, man.

He pussy. You got to cut it out shot. Yeah, like, how are you going to say you did the same thing a month ago? Cool boy is not Tia Fimo. Oh, not Tia. Oh, now, cool boy, not Tio. Oh, no. Come on.

You can't be doing it. Oh, you is. I got that. I got to tell the truth, champ. Hey, so check it out. Let me ask you some. Who Cool Boy lost to and who Tio lost to? Um, they lost to some of the same people, but, but that's not a lot.

They only got one lost a piece. Yeah. Exactly. So who Cool Boy lost to a Hall of Famer? Anyway, who did Tio lost two? Cool boy is not Tio Fimo. I know you're not on the show doing it. that saying that cool boys on the same level as Tina Fimo.

Are you serious? Before my fight, they was acting like it. Now he's trash and everything to everybody since I don't watch them. I'm just going to keep it real with you. I normally tell people this before they get knocked out. Don't play with Shakar right now. I'm just telling you the truth. I tell you this.

Shack, you know what I like talking. to you for real. Like you're a boxer, we get to say how we feel. You're not saying you're going to run down on us and all that. You know, I like when people could just have a conversation. It's okay that I have my own brain. I could be wrong. I could be right.

But I wouldn't run down on murder now. Because I wash my hands. My hands are clean now. Niggis stink because I wash my hands, killer. that my hands are clean Don't try that one No, let me stop Go ahead, shot

Hey man Look, this is the same stuff Y'all was talking Last time before the cool boy Fight Don't fuck with him Woo-di-W-W-W-W-W-W I'll tell you this much though

Look, if he come back to 35 I'm going to make it happen Like he ain't going to have no choice But I guarantee you this He stay far away from me I guarantee he don't come back to 35. You're telling him to go play with son safe. That's what you basically said?

That's what he's going to do. I promise you. He's talking about Connor Ben and I just want big fights and ooh-de-woo, because he knows he'd come back to 35. I'm going to press that button and become a man to, and we're going to see. Well, listen, shock, I ain't going to lie to you. Listen, and me and murder was so good, he's like,

yo, we can fuck with shot because he don't take none of this person. He's more of a. I bet. Say no more. type nigga. And I really admire that about you. But I don't want to go against you twice. All right? I don't do it.

Kieler, you're going against him against you? No, no. Listen, right now, we go to Shakur. Chakor point, it looked great, but I'm not going to see murder. You might have seen the fight. I was at the fight. The nigger, he pissed the shut out just about.

I'm not going to lie. Yeah, but it wasn't Tio. No, listen, listen, right? I'm gonna be honest with you. What he's saying is right. I'm not saying for you to agree with me. Yeah. Cool boy lost to that nigga, that number one

nigga over there in Asia, man. That nigga was dangerous, man. The nigga that cool boy lost to say it's like, oh, he lost to the best fighter. Yeah. But then shock. Let's, what's the homeboy name? He lost to the Coolboy lost two?

Before he fought you. The boy lost it in a way. Right, in a way. Yeah. But let's just say this, right? he might have been damaged goods when you got him

Oh okay okay So look Take this eye Tio damn that died in his fight Y'all

telling me he ain't Damage goods I read it I remember after he fought Sanders Martin he went to his they had a video

of him on top rank and he was asking this corner like damn do I still got it like

Am I still good like so this a guy that's been questioning itself. Well, listen, shock, listen, like I said,

I've seen the performance. And I'm not saying you did this or didn't do this. A lot of people look at you as a drug dealer, they turn boxing. I just like, man,

they know you're a street nigga. We all know what time of this. Yeah, you got your locks, you're not in the hussy that was hustling and knocking niggins out in the block.

Are you taking this serious boxing career? Because we all know with the background where you come from. Have you left that alone and now it's 100% this? Oh, man, I've been left of the long, man.

You know, this. I ain't trying to get your data. I know it's your old life. I know it's your old life. Nah, no, man. Yeah. Oh, man, man. Once I reached a certain status and I got their world title, man, it ain't nothing left for me to do.

You know, we're making money. We're doing what we're supposed to do. You know, I'm fully focused. That's how I felt when I went platinum. I was still outside. When I went gold, I still was hustling and shit. I ain't go platinum yet. I can't do this shit no more.

Look, we know you sign the top rank right now, right? They don't have a deal at the moment. Do you think that's going to hurt you moving forward? How do you feel about that? No, I don't think it's going to hurt me. I think I think that they got good relationships with all the promoters. And I don't know, to this day, you know, anybody that I'd ask the fight or anybody that I refer to them,

they go reach out and try to make it happen. So it haven't hurt me yet. Okay. After last night's fight, a lot of people are comparing Shakur to Floyd, Terrence Crawford, that type of fighter. Do you agree with that?

And if you don't agree with that, who do you compare them to? It's hard to compare him to Floyd. You can compare him to Floyd, like, defensive-wise, but, like, offensive-wise, Floyd had a real bad bag. I really can't compare to Terrence Crawford either.

I can compare more of Keishan to Terence Crawford as far as, like, you know, the offense, the combination punching and everything. But I can see why defense-wise, you know, why they can compare them to Floyd, for sure. You know, the shoulder roll, the stepbacks, you know, just being sharp in their compartment. Okay.

without giving up your whole game plan, of course you can't. What would you have done differently if you was T.O. last night, or pardon me the night before last. First of, I would have kept my hands up. Brother, I don't see. What, how you come into one of the technical,

most technical fights that you ever going to fight and your hands by your ways? Your balance is terrible. Your technique is terrible. So with me, You know, I got good range. My arms is longer than Shakur's. Speed-wise, I feel like I'm faster,

but I know I got more power. So I don't know. I sit there, you know. We'll play the TIF attack game. I ain't going to move around. I'm going to sit right there in the middle of the ring with him and we can, you know, see who's going to pick her apart. My last question, I know, not sure Mace has another question,

but my last question is, if you were T.O. Would you fire your pops or your trainer? Yeah, he would have been fired. He would have been fired. I love your pops, but you gotta go. That shit was bad money, murder. Yeah, that was a, that's a classical meme right there, though.

You're going to hate yourself tomorrow. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, they should make that a meme. Before that, he said, he asked him, he said, man, what happened to your power? Yeah, I heard that too. Damn. It's fucked up. Yeah, what happened to your power, man.

He definitely had a lot of, his pops had a lot of one. A lot of quotables, yeah. A lot of quotables last night. Well, Shaq, look, I'm a fan. I'm glad you got a chance to come weigh in on the fight. I'm looking forward to whether Shakur, whoever you fight, and you put on a great performance last fight. And trust me, I'm a fair.

If you're going to be Shakur, I need to see a couple more, bro. I ain't going to lie to you. I see a couple more. I can't take a figure as a favorite. But look, prove me wrong again. Every time. Yeah. So he likes proving people wrong.

You like that. He likes people doubt him. Yo, but not just you, your whole team, man. I love them. Y'all love y'all's attitude, man. And let us know next fight. Come back up. We love to have you on the show.

We appreciate you up here every time. Anytime you want to come up, you always welcome, brother. Man, I appreciate y'all, bro. All right. Love, guys. I'm going to see y'all soon. Shut. I'm going to show y'all, though, man.

I'm going to show you all. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Love, boy. Hey. All right, bro. Shock, thanks for joining us.

We're going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss Paul George's suspension. Don't go anywhere. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. Tonight, the Rockets will play the Pacers. Underdog has Pascal Seaccom at 23 and a half points. Do I'm higher, lower Mace? I'm going higher.

22? 23 and a half. 23 and a half. I'm going to go lower. Houston, two long paws. You ever see Captain Phillips? You seen Captain Phillips? Yes, the Tom Hanks movie.

He looked like one of the pirates on them joints to pass out Siaka. You have seen that joint? He do look like one of them pirates. He looked like one of them pirates in that movie. Siakum get busy, though. Yeah, no, I fuck with him. I'm not going to call it. Okay, Andrew.

You've seen a movie. No, I just searched it. Oh, funny. Like, you know what somebody tells you what you look like? She saw the picture. You know what somebody tells you what you look like and you don't know how you feel about it? Like, that's how I would feel.

Is he from Africa? Pascal Seaka? I don't know where exactly he's from. But that's what I'm saying. You know, listen, man. Yeah, he's from Cameroon. Hey, and the Pirates was from Africa. He got to have been the movie.

If you watch Captain Phillips, he could have played one of the Pirates. It's not a disc. Well, okay. Andrew Nemhart is at 16 and a half points. Do you have higher or lower cam? I ain't jacking them hard, man. Nicky-m-fucking Tyrese Halliburton got hurt last year at game seven. He ain't sure up.

He's nice when Halliburton there. He should get 16, but I'm going lower. He's going high. Okay. And Sangoon is at 22 and a half points. You have higher lower, Hi. Hi.

Okay. Make sure y'all download the Underdog app and you can make your picks too. So some news on Paul George, he's been suspended without pay for 25 gains for violating the terms of the NBA anti-drug program. So in a statement, he said over the past few years, I've discussed the importance of mental health. And in the course of recently seeking treatment for an issue of my own, I made the mistake of taking an improper medication. I take full responsibility for my actions and apologize to the same. Sixers organization, my teammates, and the Philly fans from my poor decision making during this process, focused on using this time to make sure that my mind and body are in the best

condition to help the team when I return. Mike, what was your initial reaction to that news? And how do you think that kind of thing happens? I know he explained it, but at this point in time, what are we thinking? Okay. Okay. What's going? Yeah, Mike? Ask me, how do you think? Somebody failed a drug test. Like, you know, I have a real. Right, Mike, like you've ever felt one, right? Hey.

Like you know, like, hey, hey. Hey. That's that, shalline, niggas. No, that wasn't even . I didn't feel, Mike. I said, no, everybody, let's go to Mike first. Yo, the laughing, silent. Nothing, silence.

No comments. Just a question. I thought about it, man. Like, you know, and, and, you know, and, and, and, and what I, what my initial thoughts were when I heard this, like, first of all, first, I'm just to be straight. I said, I'm in 25 games. Is that what, what was, what's third salary? Like, what is that? How much money is that?

You know, to be making a mistake. 12 million. I took the wrong thing. Yeah, that's. What's a hell of a mistake, boy? I think, boy, I ain't gonna take the wrong. Now, if I was just getting high, messing around, okay, damn it, I made a bad decision.

I would get high. You know, but I took the wrong appeal, cost me $12 million. They gotta talk to me about that a little bit deeper. You know what I mean? But the thing is, when you put it up under a mental health, like I'm almost, what do you say to it? When somebody, you know, they're saying

they were doing this for mental health, And that's just such a broad scope of things, you know. I could be saying, you know, I was getting towed up for my mental health, man, I was getting out there. I was going to be, I need to relax, you know. But you know, when you put it under mental health that gives you that cover, that nobody can really say anything about it.

I just say, I hope he's okay. I mean, darn, I don't know how else to say that because he puts it under mental health. And then he, thank y'all for allowing me to go get, My situation checked out. I mean, that kind of pushes you awful. I should have tried that when I was in the hotel room. I would be arrested me.

I was saying, I was dealing with some mental health wives, and that's why I was doing the lines. And I'm not saying. Let me need that along. I hope he gets, I hope he gets, hey, I hope he gets, hey, I got to say this, so I'll get to trouble. I hope he gets the help he needs. That's the disclaimer, right? That's the disclaimer. You got to say that. You got to say that. That's the disclaimer.

Yeah, that's great. That was an honest. Yeah. I hope he gets the help he this. Yeah. Well, you know, a year ago, we was talking about Paul George being the goat of like this new generation. A lot of the young players look up to Paul George. He stopped me in the way to the show one time and told Cam, why can't I be the goat? You know what I'm saying?

You know, we got to skip past the mental health. This is why you can't be the goat. We want to be sensitive. But if you got mental health issues, it is important that you get. help is it it is important that you have the right supporting staff but when you when you um in the NBA there's like a rule of things you shouldn't take right so it's not like this game as a surprise so when people say that they're doing it for mental health issues it just it just doesn't come across as genuine but I do hopefully get the right help but this is this this has I would say in my

opinion, my professional opinion, I don't think this has anything to do with mental health, and I hate when people use mental health to cover up for poor decisions. I do understand that there's a portion of the brain that can make you make bad decisions,

but I have to be honest when I don't feel that this is the case, and I don't feel that's the case. And I want to give an honest take to that. I don't think it was mental health. You know, you just was doing your thing and you got caught. It's like when you It's like a nigger really love a girl,

and he get caught cheating, and he say, I'm going to kill myself. You're not going to kill yourself. You want her back. She's leaving. You think that's going to get her back? It's not. And this is not a joke that could go over bad.

This is honestly how I feel, and I don't care how they feel about it. You know, it's crazy. Me and Zika was talking about that the other day. This nigger, and that wasn't even about a girl. It's this nigger we know. He's like, you're going to kill myself. He got like to the fourth time.

He was like, go commit that. Don't go get it over with. Like, stop telling us a doubt. You're going to do it or you're not. And we're not laughing because suicide is funny. We're laughing because we know you're growing up in the hood. You know when people are playing. You know, most times when people are saying they're going to do something,

they're crying out for help, and they don't, they're not going to do anything for their self. They just want something they're not, don't know how to get, and they're using this as a way to do. retrieve it. Right. And, well, listen, Paul George in December had 35 points.

Who wasn't against, matter of fact? I don't even remember who was against. Matter of how I'm looking now, I remember this game. He had 35 against Atlanta. Another game, 32. Number one, I believe, is 30. I was like, that nigga, juicing. I knew you was on the

juice, man. Listen, you ain't just go from not averaging nine, 10, 11 points to 35, 30, 32. I said, I think a juicing. And I was right. You could say you took a substance. I'm not, like murder and Mike can be nice about it, even though they're being sarcastically nice about it.

You was juicing. What, what he took? What's the drug stat? Did they say the drug? He was juicing, like, you ain't getting 35 like that, I mean, average seven. 10 coming 35, 30, 30, 32 out of nowhere. Wasn't performing like you used to.

You need to get back to the nigga you want it to be, which I understand. But I will say this, 25 games, podcasts will be out. Podcast P, loading. Pause. It's coming up soon. I'm not jacking.

I'm not jacking line that mad podcast episodes will be coming up. That's what I said, though, killer. I said that he was basically doing something. No, no, no. No, you absolutely said, but you put it so eloquently. I'm not eloquiter. I'm not eloquently.

You're on juice, niggins. You're juicing, I'm not. No, you do it as a therapist in a nice way in all. We're saying the same thing. I'm just, I'm cutting the chase, man. You wasn't performing like you was performing, and you juiced up. Now you're taking it to mental health,

and we're like, we got to do the disclaimer. Mental health definitely is nothing to play with. Yeah. To Mike's point. Look, Mike is talking about, talking about, and that's what I'm saying. I don't want you to comment on this, Mike. Please don't.

Yeah, stay out of this, Mike. You got too much good shit going on. Well, we all wish we could have pulled that shit. You know what I mean? Times we wish we could have been like, yo. Nah, I'm bugging. We all got PTSD growing up when we grew up. If that's the motherfucking case, we could pull that card

at any time for anything. I should be able to use mental health when I want. You know, I grew up in a war zone. I should be able to pull that card. You know, they just grew up in a war zone in the 80s in Harlem. It's a war zone, nigga. I should be able to pull my PTSD card anytime and say, yo, I need treatment.

Mike, when you grew up with you, listen, that's the thing my man sent me arguing about with me, and I try to have this, you know, other side of coin joint. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, to tell your grandmother you're going through some mental issues, she'll smack the shit out you, you know, you can't have mental issues going up in the 80s, you got to, oh, yeah.

That's what I'm saying. Fuck with me, you got, bach, you got, bach, you're all right now, nigga, fuck you're talking about. You all right now? Yeah, yeah, exactly what it's saying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And you know what's crazy? I'm looking straight. But I can tell about Stad doing her hair, she can't even understand. You're stressing me out. Like, you just stress me out. She's not, she was like, y'all wasn't allowed to see that y'all had the health issues? No. No.

You're going to have more problems than that, you keep it up. That's what I'm sorry. That's what I'm saying. That's just my mom. You're going to have more problems than that, nigger. Keep it up. it up yes he's that's exactly what they would say verbatim verbatim when no cops hit that door at that hotel room and busted now hands off

what you doing all these five girls in the I've got some little help this you're going to something Mike you're going to do something like You know, y'all got to leave, because I'm working through some mental health issues. Y'all got to leave. She doesn't wait and get out. Say, see, see, this shit right here, but this one I'm trying to say is that regardless or whatever, right?

I'd rather the nigger just took his 25-games suspension to say, my bad, I fucked up, to try to use that as the disclaimer for the people who may barely be going through something. And I'm not saying he isn't or whatever, But it's just convenient. But this ain't that. Yeah, but I'm saying it's very convenient you're going through mental health issues

when you're in court. I would love these stats. And what do you have to say about this? Yeah, and we're saying, we're not saying, for those that are listening, we're not saying you're lying, we're just saying it feels like it. So we just want to put that disclaimer out there.

Well, first thing I want to note, because you brought up his games in December. Last week versus the bucks, he actually made nine three-pointers and had 32 points. So that's why, like you're saying, timing is interesting. Second thing, y'all just stress me out

because y'all always be talking about like, yeah, we grew up in a war zone and this and that and I cannot relate at all, right? So I say here, I'm just like, I wish I could help y'all and y'all just move as if nothing happened. Yeah, you would get more spankings that. You get more. Keep it out.

That's what I'm like, are y'all tapped in with your emotions or is that not a thing? Like, nothing. Y'all don't feel? Like, are y'all, like, are you? Okay. If your nigga came crying, home, are you talking about,

yo, today wasn't really working out for me. How would you feel? I'm gonna sit and listen. Okay, let me travel. And then we haven't talked about it. You don't gotta tell the world, but like, yeah. So you come in the house, he in a jacuzzi with two strippers? If he's in the jacuzzi with two strippers.

Yeah, and then you ask him, you go off on him, and he goes, it's really my mental. Are you going for it? If your escape is with two strippers in a jacuzzi, when I come back home, no. That's what we're saying, Statt. I feel like that's different.

I just feel like... That's exactly what I was... Oh, my God. That's my mind. It's my mental... Yeah, Mike said... ...that's... ...pulling his eyebrows...

Mike said that's exactly what I'm talking about. Right. Why doesn't your mercy extend? I mean, not in that way, but I guess everybody expresses their feelings in different ways. You ever see boys in the hood? Yes, that was the couple people, or somebody died at the end, right? Oh, my goodness. Yeah, there's so many freaking movies.

I'm like, yo, somebody's always dying, somebody's baby has to live alone. Like, it's just always something. Somebody's baby always got to live alone. Nah, you know what? So you see, you see boys in the hood, right, Mike? Of course, of course, man. And Murdof, no, you've seen that, right?

So Busser, right? That reminds me. He's talking about Rick and died. She's talking about Ricky. Yeah. But they all died. No boy died, everybody died except for Trey. Right, right.

But what I'm saying is this, right? In the movie, that is like near long. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And the reason I say that is this, because, and this is not into a sex life or nothing. You know, it's like my little sister. I'm just talking about in general in the movie.

Trey was trying to bone knee along, and she wouldn't give him no pussy. But then when the cops harassed him and he came out swinging to him, and that might get fucked him, he can fuck it with me again. me again and all this thing, and all this thing, this thing, start crying and all this shit of the floor. That's the night he got, he hit.

That's not too hell. Yeah. Let me give this nigga some pussy. He's losing his motherfucking mind out here. That's crazy. That's what he hit. He's been trying to hit the whole movie. Then soon as he coming out, swinging at the air, crying,

and all that, she said, yeah, I'm gonna get this nigg some pussy. He cried in front of me, man. That's not a sympathy thing. It's not like, oh, he's crying, like, let me care. Like it's like if you feel comfortable to like it's the gateway down that layer because I mean to the whole world you're always going to be on guard So it's like I'm never gonna take it lightly if somebody comes to me and expresses their emotions and so that's what I'm like the mental health thing and I know like two different things but I can be empathetic towards that because that doesn't come often especially from men so I'm not gonna say oh like clearly you're affected by that so I can listen to that now if you need to take the edge off with strippers that's why I'm

I'm saying and I'm your girl, that's a little different type of thing. They was virgin stat in the movie. The nigga both off the sympathy. Yeah. Yeah, this is what I'm saying. It wasn't like they were out bonnay. Both versions, the nigger started, he was trying to hit. He started crying.

She gave him something. That's all I'm saying. But listen, you know, real quick, Mike, I hear you gotta say something. I just want to say this. Me and murder might be traumatized though, and maybe Zeke because we not, you know, we grew up in New York and bitches

is niggas. You can't let them know everything because they're throwing your face. You start crying. That's telling you too much. Your bitch ass was in here crying. Yeah. You were saying crying like a little bitch

two months ago. And now you're up here trying to be Mr. Toughman. Nah, go do all that crying shit. Take it to your mumbo house. That's how New York girls is. You know what I'm saying? It's like that. So sometimes you feel you can't let them see you vulnerable

like that. Yeah, you can never let them see that. Yeah, because they're going to throw it back in your face. Guy, Mike, I didn't mean to interrupt you. Right. No, no, no, but you're hitting the nail on the head, and that's where that's the direction I would hit in. I mean, what it was saying is, we'll take your mental health as long as it's in the categories we will allow, you know. You know, if your mental health is in the category of strippers, women, white houses and hotel rooms. Well, you may, that's, you got nothing to do with that.

You got, you got to get your ass together. But now, they got other really, other mental mental, help to deal with that. You know what I mean? That's just, you know, that's interesting. That's old sermon bishop called, and he called the boys in their toys, temptations of their youth. Like, what do we go back to when we start stressing out? Some people go back to, you know, some people go back, you know, you know, so, so I mean, we can't start talking about What's mental health and what's not. We gotta take each and every person at the same place since we just got different toys

that the boys like to play with. Mike, didn't that mean, then I like that, Mike, my toys. Mike, didn't that mean? I like that, Mike, my bad, brother. I like that. Yeah, then that would mean PDs is his toys. He never was playing with PDs before. That's what he got caught with?

I don't know. You don't know what it is. I'm saying if it was PD. Hypothetically. Hypothetically. But what kind of perform his problem was he having? Y'all just talked about having some pretty good basketball game. Did he get caught?

See, this thing go a lot of places, not in the broader in my world. Did he get caught trying to perform somewhere else? It took something to help him perform there. They showed up on the Richter scale over here. There's a whole lot in all of this. I'm just saying. Yeah, it definitely goes a lot of ways. I think you guys all gave great perspectives, and you know, my perspective is always going to be different.

But if he is going through something, we hope, you know, he remains okay. He pays it out. If he's not, I don't know what to tell you because we want good games from you. Just do it in the way that's expected from the league. That's what I will say. One more quick follow-up question to this before we move on. So when he's eligible to return, the Sixers will have about 10 games remaining in the regular season. So Mike, in your opinion, how much do you think his absence?

affects the team. Well, the sister's been going up and down, you know what I mean? So it would definitely affect them. No doubt. Maxis had something in the injury with your boy Big and Bede.

So they're trying to get it where everybody's playing, get some harm and he to play together before the playoffs and everything. So him not being there were absolutely affected. I think it does, him being absent does affect this team.

But I think, after this year, actually, if I was the Sixers, I'd be ready to move on from Paul George. And I love Paul George as a player. I love him as Paul's as a basketball talent. But after last year and then this, this year, and not to mention Edgecombe, right, these 25 games he's going to be missing,

edgecombe might become a monster. This is why you can't take a day off. Somebody might become a superstar on the day you take off. and then they no longer need you at that position. So now I'm looking at it like that. They probably won't need poor George after this 25. I mean, they will do it for the playoffs, but come next year, they're definitely looking in another direction.

I've been off to Paul George train, pause, whatever you want to call it years ago. When he was calling himself the goat, murder wanted to argue with me about this, why he can't beat a goat. Stat says, son. If I can remember, I said he was the goat.

Yeah, yeah, when he ran down on me. He was a, come on, Marty. He ran down, he didn't run down, run down. He walked up. And he said, put killer on the phone, so I, you know. Yeah, but see, that's the thing about if a nigger come on to me and be like, call murder, I might just, I might set it on it. You call.

Yeah, the nigger, the nigger was, you know, the corporate guy, you know. Now, I was all love. And a lot of players, like Kayan, Anthony, Carmelo, Anthony, son. It's a lot of young players that say Paul George is their goat. And they're like, they model their game after them. And one time, Paul George definitely had a game to model behind. And I get Paul George a lot of credit suffering that horrific injury.

Like that injury for him to even walk and play basketball again, again is something special, man. because watching that in real time, that shit was fucked up. So the bounce back from that was crazy, but you have to think about what was giving up for Paul George, right? We'll just take it from Paul George with the Pacers was outstanding. You know, he just kept running into LeBron James every year. So that was the problem with that. And then OKC didn't work out.

But this is when it started getting tricky, right? You leave OKC and go to the Clippers, because Kawhiall Leonard wants you with the clippers. The Clippers end up giving up, two million draft picks. Shea Gildred's Alexander. I forget who else they gave up for him. But now it looks bad because Shea becomes a champion. He brings a championship to OKC when nobody else could do it in franchise history.

And OKC has had outstanding Hall of Fame players play for that organization. But Shea Gilder's Alexander gets you the first championship. Who did he get traded for? Paul George. They get this thing a big-ass contract. Now only that, now not only that, Presti, the GM for OKCs look like a genius, because right now what's going on also is that people are complaining

because OKC may get the number one pick in the lottery. And they're like, yo, this team is number one. They just won a championship. How are they about to get the first pick in the lottery for the next couple years? Because the Clippers gave up their draft picks. It was terrible. It was terrible, but at the time it looked like it made sense.

Who's Shea Gildreds, Alexander? Are you more him, him, for Paul George? Hell yeah. Think about that today. Who the fuck is giving up? Shea Gilder's for Paul George now. Yeah, that's crazy, thinking about it like that. Right.

They had a rant, they had Westbrook. Carmel. Chris Paul. Yeah, Chris Paul. There's a lot of people came through there to try to win. Right. So, that's a lot of people. when they started looking bad to me

for poor George, and then they signed that big ass contract. Then you go to Philly. You don't really play a lot of games, but you keep podcasted. I think really he stopped podcasting because we just fucking with him and probably other people. It was more podcast than games play. 82 games in the season. You miss 53 games, but you got episode

97 of podcast peak. Then he said, then the nigger waits to last March. or February and say, you know what? I've been doing too much podcasting. I think I'm a lock in and focus on the season because the Philadelphia fans deserve that. You think, nigger?

Nigger, this is, nigga, you suck basketball started in October. What the fuck you mean in February? You're going to buckle down. You're going to buckle down in February? We started paying you from my... That's your man, man. I... Maybe this was his way,

locking in he's out again 25 games he's out yeah it's 12 million dollars last time that we fought but see that's what's gonna hurt other times he would be out and still get paid now's gonna fuck with your pockets he might come back an animal pause we'll see what happens wishing all the best okay so now we're gonna switch gears to football so when speaking to the media Sean Payton spoke on bow nix's injury stating what was found was a condition that was predisposed, they always find a little more when they go in. It wasn't a matter of if it was a matter of when.

When you look at the play and you're trying to evaluate it, the operating surgeon said that this was going to happen sooner than later. So Bo Nix wasn't really rocking with that. He then later responded and he said nothing predisposed, nothing that was there originally. I don't think he really should share how many surgeries I've had in the past, to be honest with you. He doesn't even really know that. So Mike, after kind of hearing that, they're not really on the same page.

Sean Payton telling the media more about Bo Nix, his injuries. Why do you think Sean Payton felt to reveal that to the media? And then do you find those comments inappropriate? Do you think it's fine coming from a coach? What's your opinion on that? Yeah. And so I was all over the place with this because I was trying to find and ascertain the why, the why, you know, why are we talking about this?

And if you do a deep dive into it, like, Like right now, you were not going to have the player. He was not going to come back. There's nothing you could do. It's not like you're trying to motivate him to get over the pain and come back and play. Why are you sharing this? And the only thing I could possibly go to,

and my head was, okay, are they trying to either scare people off of Bow Nix or hold back from paying Bow Nix this new money? He'll have to get after you're having these kind of seasons because pretty soon, maybe after the next year, they'll have to start looking at giving them some money. And now do other teams start saying, well, we don't want to try to pry him away or invest in that situation.

Why would you even bring that up? As opposed to just saying, hey, you know, hey, he's had a hell of a year and we're going to miss him in this championship game. We got to get him healthy and get him back on the football field. And that's that. I mean, I was surprised to see Sean go to. deep in the details explaining Bo Nix had issues before and it was just a matter of when this was going to happen not if it was going to happen and I understand

Bo Nix looking on the side talking about his money saying hey man like here don't be doing that yeah you're breaking hippo laws too stop breaking hippo laws oh yeah you know yeah yeah what's hip a law right that's um You can't show people on medical history, right? Yeah, you can't share that as hip one. Oh, well, well, this is starting to look bad. I'm going to be honest. I'm not sure if this is the case.

I'll preference this by saying that. But when it comes to Sean Payton, it looks like Sean understands the system. He knows when something goes wrong. This is how it looks from a novice, you know, a person outside of football looking at it. Like every time something happened with a quarterback, he covers itself. He's a corporate guy. You know, he covers itself.

He knows this could go different ways. So I'm going to make sure if it does go against the team and the organization, I'm going to set it up where he can get out of there and we can keep some of this money. He's just thinking business. You know, he did the same thing with Russell Wilson, right? He knew if certain things go a certain way they was going to have to pay. pay him with an extra a bunch of millions. So he said,

you know what? We're going to make sure he doesn't play or make sure whatever needed that happened. I forgot what it was, but he made sure that Russell Wilson, you know, he was trying to make sure that Russell Wilson didn't get that. And that was the real fallout. So now you can

see this happening prematurely right here in real time with another quarterback. So once it happens once, it's like yeah, we could, we could wash that over, but once it happened twice, you know, it's not a mistake. Russell Wilson had already signed this contract. Sean Payton just was on how this nigga get an office, how he run the team.

And if you want me to coach here, this is not the quarterback that I picked. I agree with you. Mike and what you said right before that part, the 100% would agree with you. I was going to tell you, Mike, that Sean Payton, I realize he's not racist. He's a narcissist. That's what it is. It's not even racist. I thought it was racism, his narcissism.

He's covering his self. It's just like, look, look, man, this nigger, you gotta realize, man, I'm not a nigger. Look what I did with Drew Brees. Shoulder was all fucked up to championship even, look, he's a narcissist. And for him to even say this, excuse me, goes to show,

to me, he has no real off-the-field connection connection with players, my opinion, that I know of. You know I'm way better than we do, Mike. It's like May said, if we're on the outside looking in. It just seems like, yo, come to work, do what I say, and you'll win. That's what he's pitching the niggas. But when you don't win or it doesn't go right, he don't fuck with you, and he'll take any opportunity to throw you under the bus.

I like exactly what Bowdo Nick said. Yo, my nigga, no, I'm being translated to a translator today with everything. What Boeh Nick said was, hey, yo, who the fuck is you to put my business out there? You find the fuck the chicken up. Stop playing with me, nigga. That's what he really said in a nice way. This nigga don't even know me like that

and you're trying to throw my business out there. Mike, you made a great point when it came to the contract and the money and if Denver didn't want to pay him, now you're scared off other teams for possibly want to pay him. Mace, you made a great point when you said this nigger is making sure he covers his ass no matter what.

But Mike, it's not racism. It's narcissism. And that's what I get from Sean Paine. Yeah, it was an extra $85 million that he got from the Broncos that Champagne, it seemed like there was some discrepancy about. But when it comes to this, like even with Champagne, you got to remember with Bo Nix. Early in the season, Bo Nix had to correct him on something else.

Like, bro, don't be talking to me like that. On the sideline. Yeah, and we were talking about how he talked, different to black quarterbacks than non-black quarterbacks. So not that he's racist, but we just, we're just keeping records up here. Just let you know we're keeping records. Okay. Mike, any further comments before I move on?

Because. Well, what's what you? But you guys understand also now. Champagne comes from the Bill Parcells, you know, that clean. And remember Bill Parcells is right there in New York, Bill Parcells. And I work with them away inside the NFL, Phil Cells. James used to go at it. You know, he should go at it all the time.

So he does believe in pushing and rubbing, it's, you know, against his quarterback. He thinks that toughens them up. But I don't know if these new age dudes deal with that. You know, these new age dudes, hey, man, you mess with my mental. Talking about my ankle, like that. You see what I'm saying?

I'm just tied that back up for, you know. You can't do that no more. You got to chill. You're messing with my mental, nigga. That's all I'm saying, man. Yeah, that's going to be the new one for everything. Yeah, I'm just trying to take it

my mental health right now. I don't know. I hope he gets the help he needs. I hope he gets to help he needs. You know what's crazy is that we always got to finish it with that or start. I want to make sure we stay. So if somebody throws it back in your face, be like, watch the old clip. Watch the old clip.

I said I hope he gets to help that. Yeah, I didn't say that. And you got to fit in that way. Yeah, you got to. You right, though. You got to do that. You got to do that. Yeah, good clarification, y'all.

Okay, so one more before we wrap. The Raiders are set to hire Seahawks offensive coordinator Clint Kubiak as head coach after the Super Bowl. Mike, do you see this as a good hire? And then given like we know the Super Bowl is coming up, do you see this as a distraction or do you think all as well? What are your thoughts on that? Well, first, I'll start with that. I do believe this is a good hire. You know, you see what Coach Kubiak, Clint Kubiak, who's Gary Kubiak, son, has done.

in Seattle this year, you know, getting a Sam Donald and, and man, just taking Chies in to the next level. These are the kids, you know, Kyle Shanahan, they've been around coaching all their lives. Their dad was great coaches, great coaches. So I'm looking forward to seeing him in this position. And he has talent. Now you got to Ashton, Jee,

and you got a Brock Bauer over there. over there, you got something right there. I'm going to start with them two right there. You give a great officer coordinator that kind of talent. Yeah, he can do something with that. I think that'll be interesting. I think it's a great hire. Yeah, and just for the sake of responsible journalism,

it was 39 million that Broncos owed Russell Wilson for that. And that's what it was pretty much talking about. But, Gila, it's on you. My bad, you're saying, I'm just trying to look at that. Yeah, no, you're good. I was basically saying for them to, they're the Raiders looking at hiring the Seahawks offensive coordinator.

Do you see that as a distraction with the Super Bowl? Or do you think always as well? I wouldn't announce it after the Super Bowl. You know, it's like Lane Kiffin. We was talking about a few weeks ago, how this nigga got up. We got a team that can tend for a national championship. You go take the LSU job,

which is probably a way sexier job. But it wasn't like Ole Miss still wasn't competing. Then Old Miss gets the first victory in the first round of playoffs and then you snets the staff and possibly cost them a loss to go to a national title game. Moral the story is I don't think none of the, if you're still playing, I don't think that none of these announcements are conducive or beneficial

why you're still with an organization. Because all that shit do is, you know, chatter amongst each other. Oh, yeah, you're out of here next year, huh? Why you still with niggas? Yeah, you can't wait to get the fuck up out. All that little joke, you know, whatever is joking or not, it's distraction. We're focused on trying to win the Super Bowl. If I'm the offensive coordinator, I'm saying, look, I think I will take this job,

but I do not want to make this announcement until post-Super Bowl. We're in the middle of trying to win the Super Bowl. What's the difference if you announced it a week before the Super Bowl or two days after the Super Bowl? It's only an eight-day difference. So I would have announced it afterwards. If you have an arrangement with the Raiders organization saying, okay, Tom Brady and all that, look, we're going to take the job. I'm going to take the job. But I cannot make this announcement until after Super Bowl.

That's what I would have done. That's what I would have done. I don't think that it's just distraction among, even if it's not amongst the audience, amongst the team, my opinion. Yeah, I was going to say something about that. Because when I think about the Kiffman situation, as well as this particular thing with the Raiders, I think it's two ways to look at it.

Now, what killer is saying is absolutely correct. It's going to create that disunity in the locker room because it's hard to play for somebody, you know that is leaving the team, right? So if we get in a real bad, battle, I can't really give my all to the battle, and I know you on your way out the door. That's number one. But number two, business is always business, right?

So from the corporate business standpoint, I got to take the money why I could take the money because if we get exposed in the Super Bowl, that same job may not be there and that same price might not be there. So when you think of it like that, if you go in that Super Bowl and y'all get shut up, out or the offense doesn't look right, then, you know, you're as good as your last game. People come back and say, I don't know. You know, the point we was arguing about, about the bonus and all of that, I'm not sure if we really need to do the bonus.

I saw the Super Bowl game, and that's how most business people think. So all of those guys, they had to take the money when they could take it. I don't think it's about the money. I think it's about the announcement. Yeah. If you lose in the Super Bowl is the offensive coordinator, do you know who the other offensive coordinator is?

Josh McDings, the best. Tom Brady, six Super Bowls. Okay, I lost the Josh McDames. It's not a better offensive coordinator. Unless you want to call Andy Reed, possibly an offensive coordinator, even though he's the head coach. It's Josh McDing's.

You get six Super Bowls. You got Drake May of MVP finalists. So I get what you're saying. You're like, you know, if you don't sign this contract now, then the deal's off the table. But I could sign the contract. I'm just talking about the announcement

because even if they get smacked in the Super Bowl, it's the same, it's the same shit. I already signed the deal. But I get what you're saying now. That's a different story. Sign now and announce now or it's no deal. Okay, I'm doing that. If you say I'm signing now,

but I want to announce it later. My nigga, we're sending you to check the day. We have the right to say what we want to say. I get what you say. And they're running for cloud. They're running for clout. When you're going for clout, it's like you putting yourself as the Raiders in the Super Bowl, though you're not in the Super Bowl.

We got the niggottess coaching in the Super Bowl. He's coming to our team next year. You know, it saves him a few weeks. Yeah, and that has something to do with it. But one more thing I like to add to it, and it's not, it's just, well, it's just true. What also happens is you got a. These big girls scrambling right now. And we had nine teams, nine teams that look for new head coaches.

That means they're going to be hiring a staff. So what they're doing is already announcing to all of those assistants. This guy got the job. So when he calls, listen to him. Even if they tell him we're going to give him the job, he can't go and call Coach Jojo. Coach Jojo, listen, I promise you, they won't give me the job. I just need you to tell these teams,

No, you're going to be with me. Coach Jojo are going to be like, if my wife don't want to hear no promise from you, do you got the job or not? Like, you know what I'm saying. So the Raiders got a state that we're planning on hiring him. So the people that he's already calling, building his staff, know that he has credibility when he says,

I'm going to get the job. I just wanted to just drop that piece in there also. Okay. And then one more thing I want to bring up because I do think it's tied and I want to get you guys' last opinion on this. So with the record tying 10 openings, now that we know that they're planning on hiring Clint Kubiak,

NFL teams have hired zero black head coaches. So, Mike, do you see this as an issue? And then how do you think this kind of thing can change? I definitely see it as an issue. You go a third of the lead and you go 0 for 10 in that hiring cycle. and you have in place the Rooney Rule that said you have to at least interview minority candidates. And, yeah, that's an issue. And even Mace, you know, Mace, I hear laughing over there when we were talking about the Rooney Rule earlier.

Even the Rooney rulers made sure that they hired, you know, not a minority. So, Mike, it's not higher. It's interview. All that means you get in the interview. Right, right. It doesn't mean you get a job. Right, right, exactly, exactly, exactly. No, no, exactly.

It means you just get the interview. But that's so issue. And that's so issue. Because what they're saying is we just get some African-American in front of the people. They'll certainly get a hire. Well, you got 10 openings. And you did get African-Americans in front of people. And you got zero hires.

So if you try to summarize it, it says, Maybe it runs deeper than you things. So much for the Rooney Rule. Wasn't it a black coach and the Giants? Right? The Giants head coach is black. The Jets. Oh, the Jets.

Yeah. I think they'd be given. And I think that was a good opportunity, right? If Aaron Rogers never got hurt, they had the defense, that would have been a good situation. It just didn't go well. but he got a shot. And exactly how did you phrase the question?

Yeah, basically, do you see this as an issue that the NFL hasn't hired any new black head coaches? They kept the nigger for the Jets. They might be looking at it like that. I hear damn. The niggins have one interception all season. We kept him. What do y'all want?

He count for six coaches at this point. We kept him. He count for six. I ain't count for six. That's wild. How does this nigga got a job murder? The niggins shouldn't be working no more, man. The niggas.

Nick Jets ain't won the no, no game. They won like three games. And then how don't you get one interception the whole season? And they ain't fired a nigga? And they said, no, we're going to get them a chance. So when we're talking about black and white, they like, if we're just looking at,

let's just say, get a black and white courtroom. Nigger like, look, we kept your men. That niggas shouldn't be here. That nigger may count for five and a six coaches. Yeah, every time we do this, look at what happened. Yeah, so as far as them, but in the seriousness, as far as them not hiring any black coaches, who should they hire?

Mike? We have, listen, we have to qualify African-American coaches. Yeah. Right now that I think. Mike don't like that. But I'm talking about giving guys. Can you guys hear me? Yeah.

I'm giving guys an opportunity. Let me tell you something. Now, they dig down into this. I'm still, well, I'll see how that works out with who the Cowboys hired. But they're guys, like, you go in and you look at an, I'm going to give us some great African man. Al Harris. Al Harris, who was leading, I mean, a defensive coach, defensive coach, and that might be one of the things.

So everybody looking for that offensive mind, that brilliant, offensive minded, he had coach. You know, but Al Harris, who led. When he was with Dallas, the secondary, led everybody in turnovers. Then he went to Chicago. All of a sudden now, they lead everybody in turnovers. Things like that is what you got to start looking at and stop looking at. Well, he hadn't climbed up these ranks yet. He hadn't done these things yet.

This is easy to see. Things like this are easy to see. When he moved, that whole thing moved with him. that's what I mean, stuff like that. You just got to be willing to dive down inside, to dive down and do an interview with these guys. And understand, stop looking for somebody to be exactly you across from you because there's not enough of us sitting in those owners chairs.

That's what I believe also is a lot of the issue. Yeah, Mike, I couldn't disagree with you more. I think there's been so many lack of black coach opportunities that when a black coach gets the opportunity, I feel like he got to perform even better because we don't get the opportunity. So you definitely can't go in there and stink it up. And the list is way too long for people

who've gotten real good opportunities that have not produced. I just got to call it straight, you know? What do you think, killer? The judge coach counts for six names. So what Tony, Dungey count for. Tony Dungey ain't a coach.

No. I'm saying he was a coach. Yeah, he won. He won, though. He's a winning coach. That's what I'm saying? How many he count for? How many what?

How many black coaches he count for? Yeah. He's one coach. I'm just saying, I think you're misunderstanding. Of course, I'm being facetious when I'm saying this. It's all a joke when I'm saying, so people take a sense. When I'm saying that the Jets coach

did so. poorly, that white niggas may be like, yo, stop harassing us like it ain't no more if y'all need more black niggas if we keep in this niggas, which is a joke. Yeah. But to Mike's point, absolutely, and that's why I asked Mike, because

I don't know the, I don't have the knowledge like Mike has of the black coaches of that should be hired. That's why I defer to him. I don't know. Like I said, it can be defensive office coordinators. It can be scouts. It can be people that come from college. It can be hundreds of black people

or coaches that should be able to coach and I deferred them because I don't know. But as far as Tony Dungey, it's the question, he's a championship coach. No, I mean, when you, I was saying that as a joke, too. How many if a black guy win a chip,

how many does that count for? Just one. One niggas. Don't give them a shit. But I thought you would have what I was trying to get. You don't hire nobody. Yeah, boy. You said if they lose,

they count for six of you. But if you win, it only counts for one. That's what you gave you a chance. It depends. It depends. I think I always talk about a measurement and distance travel. Since most of the time when African-American man gets an opportunity, it's the worst opportunity. It's like, okay, let me see what you can do with this.

Life rejects. You see what I'm saying? All those teams that have been had a problem. So if you can ever get one of those teams. to a Super Bowl, it would do immense things for African-American coaches and African-Americans. But let's remember where we always start. It's the worst situation that you usually start from. You don't get to walk in some great situations, even though I say that.

And I do believe Raheim Morris had a pretty great situation in Atlanta that Kevin Stafansky just walked in and we'll do better with. Yeah, like for instance, right? I know we joke about it every year, but it's not really a joke. Like, I'm trying to think out of word it. Mike Tomlin, right? Mm-hmm.

We just celebrate. He won a championship, a Super Bowl. And we like, fuck that. He made it to 500. Yes. Made across the finish line. Woo! Yeah.

I don't kiss that. You make the thing. He's not, yeah. He's not your coach no more, so he don't give a fuck. But I'm just saying that's the celebration to where, to me, right, if he was white, he probably would have got fired a while ago. But to me, they're like, we can't fire him.

He's one of the nicest coaches. He's really good. He won the Super Bowl. He never had to lose in season. But I think he would have got fired a while ago if he was white. And I'm not saying that it isn't racism in the NFL towards black coaches and everything else. But I think Mike Tomlin lasted longer than a white coach would have lasted. So it was reverse racism?

A little bit because he's coming. You all realize that he's from the home of the Rooney's. But they invented the Rooney Rule Latt. So a nigga like, yeah, we just can't kick the guy out. He won't even give us a chance to get a losing season to where he had to walk away. Even when he walked away, I think it was a mutual decision. But that's what I'm saying.

I think if Mike Tomlin was white and had the same situation, I think he would have been going. Think about how they just treated John Harbaugh. Yeah. They just kicked him out the door. Same amount of time, really. He won the same situation as well. He once won Super Bowl.

Owners said, nigga, fuck up out of here. Good looking. Nigger said, with John Harbaugh would have, if he would have won that last game, they lost, he said, would he stay if the kicker hit that field go? He said another week. He was rude to John Tom on John Harbaugh. So, like I said, I don't want to say it act like this ain't racism in the NFL.

Now, at certain positions, coaches, definitely owners, black owners, et cetera. But Mike Tomlin got a great deal out of the situation, my personal opinion. And should it be more highest black coaches? Mike can tell you better than I could. I don't know. I don't know to answer that.

And he's saying yes. Just that how you feel now that you're removed from Mike Tonglin? Well, I mean, I still think it wouldn't have been different if it was a white coach, just because I think that that's kind of how the organization moves, which is why I think... They don't have a lot of coaches, you're right. Yeah, which is why I think with Mike McCarthy,

they're trying to change things up because they're like, okay, this is what we've done. Let's at least try to, like, do a different shift to see if we get something different out of it and at least pleased to Aaron Rogers if the goal is to have him for another season. But, I mean, I'm never going to be against more diversity in the league in general because I think it funnels down.

We've seen a lot of... Like, especially in a lot of other races, they're really good at passing things down and like remaining fortune and stuff like that, which is like something that I think our culture should work on because I think we would be able to hold a lot more power within ourselves and be able to grow and bigger and have more money and just things like that.

And even just like adding more financial literacy, like all those things to me matter. So I would love to see more of it. And I could say selfishly because I want to see us remain on top, but I do think that in those areas, black people. Oh, okay. I want to see us remain on top. Like I want the best for.

us, but I think it's hard when we've seen generations and generations most of the time be able to pass things down or like hand-shaking through different things and just like unsaid things that are passed down throughout other cultures. So that's why I'm going to say selfishly, I would love to see that more for us. So when I see a black coach in a good position and they are able to do well, I'm going to root for them, especially if they are doing well. But that's my thoughts on that. I'd like to see more of it.

And hopefully we can, but we're seeing. I want to agree with you. this might be my last thing for this. I want to agree with you, but I want to agree with what Mike said in the beginning. They got to qualify. Of course. You got to qualify, man.

Yeah. Yes, that one, a female head coach. No, I agree. I think qualifications do matter, but I don't think that we should, like a lot of the times we're going to be, like I don't want it to be like a here damn. Like, we're just going to prove it to you

just because you want more black people. Like, I still think that there are a lot of qualified black people back to Mike's point. I just think that we get over. overlooked because it's a lot of the handshaking and the private conversations in rooms that typically we're not going to be in most of the time, which I just don't agree with. I do think that we should be pushed to be more of those rooms. Yeah, so I said that really jokingly, but you know how we're moving towards having female coaches in the NBA? Do you think we should have a female coach in the NFL?

I mean, if the coach is tough and she can do her thing, why not? Like even down to WMBA, I know they're talking about NBA head coaches, but like Becky for the aces, she's tough, she knows her shit. So it's like, if you're good or if you're like a Don Staley, like, if you are a qualified coach in that position, I don't think that we should just be like, she's a girl, I don't really know how it's going to go. Let's just X her out. And Becky coach

in the NBA. See, yeah, I think she was the first with the Spurs. Yeah, she won the summer left title. Yeah, so that's why I'm like, qualifications. Mace don't believe that. He don't think no woman should leave, man. That's what he's what I feel. We knew that, though. Lincoln, like he didn't

say that, but. He doesn't feel that no woman should be leading men in anything. You want elaborate on that, murder? Why aren't you? God. He's locked them up like that. I'm just a patriarch, you know. I believe that there's powerful matriarchs, but I come from a patriarch, you know.

I'm used to seeing solid men do the role that they don't need a woman to do their role for them, you know? But y'all may be into You know the guys carrying the strollers And all that Y'all looking at me Yeah, that is such completely different Yeah, I don't know

That is not the same I didn't switch with the time You know I think football's a little different That is not the same Yeah, I don't know You know, you know Maybe they're in

You ain't push a stroller murder? Yeah, I mean, you know how you see the guys with the thing on them and the bottles and all that. And then the wife is saying, come on. The body strap? Yeah, the body's strapped and all that. Yeah, because Larry was looking at me with it.

I don't know. I agree in football. I don't think the woman should be head coach. Why not? If she knows a job. Mike, Mike, did you ever cuss out any of your NFL coaches? Did you ever get into it with any of them? Or did you ever see any of the NFL players cuss out a head man coach?

because I can only imagine Indama can sue telling a young bitch shit you're motherfucking yeah you can't The tabloids would be crazy for that

Those players talk greasy to coaches And imagine them saying something that stat you're out there trying to coach And this nigga 6-7 But it's like you know what you're signing But you know what you're shining up for

Like I don't I don't know I feel like you literally know the position that you're putting yourself into if you can't Do you think they should be able to choke? The trail Spriewell choked the coach. Yeah, let's keep this in perspective.

The trail Spriewell choked the coach. Can you imagine these players, CTE and some lady? PSD. Come on, man. They would be all bad. That would be a bad situation. I don't care. So you're saying it out of protection.

So you went me. Protect the lady, right? WM.M.A. That's cool. But, no, not NBA. That's cool. but not the NFL. That's a different breed, man.

It's a whole different. We're talking about cows and bulls. You know what I'm saying? It's not even close. To each their own, you know. You get out of that. You know, everybody's going to have our own opinions. And you don't really know because we haven't seen it.

So that's what else is there. None of that shit's all saying. That's what she really said. Statt wants them out there until it goes wrong. Then she wants, she won. No, that's not. the woman empowerment. I get it.

First of all, I don't leave with the expectation for things to go wrong. I just don't think like that. And I know that you have to assess the situation and think about all things,

but I just don't, I'm very much like, don't knock it until you try it. We haven't seen it, so I'm not going to say that this can't happen. That's how, like, laws become laws.

You see something happening and you're like, okay, we're going to make this rule, but it hasn't happened to say that this would happen. I think that people would have a lot more decorum. If somebody's going to curse

a, like, I just feel like you really can't interpret about it because you know what space you're in. That's also been said about a lot of things that have happened through life. And then we've seen change and we're like, oh, that's actually kind of cool.

So that's just my opinion on that. But like I said, you are free to think whatever you want to think and I'm free to think whatever I want to think. Look at Mike, he's all quiet. It's what it is. Like, it is what it is. It is. And that's why I'm here to give that perspective.

So it's cool. OK, with that being said, y'all, that is all the time that we have for today. Mike, you know, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. Always good to be on this show, and I was being quiet. I was going to answer what I think of. Moments should be to hear, coach.

I'm just say, I hope they get the help they need you. That's fair. All right, guys, man. Appreciate you guys. Bye, Mike. Okay, thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.