IT IS WHAT IT IS - PACMAN ON THE SEASON BEING OVER FOR THE DOLPHINS, THE CHIEFS WEARING 4 RICE SHIRTS & SANDERS DIDN'T WANT TO BE NO BACKUP!

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

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What's good, man? Pack, what you eating on the pop-taughtness of Joe Burroughs locker room? I'm so upset with you, bro. You are upset, bro. Yo, bro, what is you? You got that out of Joe Burrow locker room? Bro. What's up?

He had the same attitude that you should have had yesterday, bro. All right, tell me. You got a niggas talk with you're crazy because I don't God. What's going on, man? All right, bro, don't say shit to me, bro. Don't, listen. Hold on. All that old fake-ass against the shit, I do not want to hear that shit today, nigga.

Yesterday, you had a prime example to act like you needed that. And you didn't. What happened yesterday? I don't even know. I mean, whatever day it was, I don't know what day. I'm on, you know what I'm on, you know what I'm on, you know, on Friday. Was it Wednesday? What are you talking about?

Hold on. Hold on. Let me, hold on. Let me, let me. This, nigger, hell, boy. Hey, three, if a nigger ever talk to you like that again, sister, let me know. Because this nigga right here, this nigga right here is a bump. Ain't no way in the fuck that somebody's been talking to you like that when I was on the show.

No way. This nigga here. Back man, I mean the part top. I ain't going to lie. You act, are you act? I'm in the part talk, my boy. You act different when that check come in, man. That check get cut in.

Yeah, man. The check ain't came in yet. That's a lie. That's a lie. That's a lie, man. That's a lot, nigger. Murdered, then we send the money. I got the receipts on my phone.

Twin, twin, twin. I'm paying you, twin. I'm paying you. Yeah. That Pop-Tard late. Bro, you're a hater, bro. You don't want me to pop my part-tart, bro? Yeah.

Killer, you're a hater. I don't want you to pop your pop-tart. Don't let nobody talk to this like that. I don't want you to pop your pop-up. one nigga to pop your part talk. It's crazy. This is crazy. Now he got lean in his cup.

You gotta know, see, well, I'm gonna tell the audience is this, this is the pattern right here. This is how he came on the show the first week. Oh my God, so I'm drunk today, I did? He didn't pay, he didn't get paid last week. He got paid for all his shows, and now he back on lean. And Pop-Tops. This is how he acts after he gets paid.

I see we got to take every other week off from paying him to calm him down a little bit. bit, man. This is how you work. This is through punch, bro. This is from the game. I know. I know.

I know. I know. I know. I see how this work. Yo, Murdo, we're going to slow the checks up, Murdo. Hey. Look, bro. I got blinders on.

I don't listen to the outside noise. You get what I'm saying. I know a nigga don't like me. Because when you're at the top, guess what? Everybody do this. Uh, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. bum bum bum bum bum bum that's a part of the game like we're at the top right now motherfuckers are gonna talk about you like i don't get the point i was just about to say the

same thing so thank you like exactly you're talking about like and bro you don't even got waste your time with him he's a bum yeah do i need to say the name again are we friends now i'm like i don't know where we at no i'm asking you do we need to say the Nick, name again? No, we don't. I didn't say the name the first time. I thought he's about to talk to talk about football. I want to say, you know what I mean?

Man, fuck them folks, man. Do you hear what I'm saying? Absolutely. That's all I'm saying. No. At the end of the day, let me tell you something. And this is, and this is, in the whole different way, bro. Shit, I don't know about keep doing what you're doing, bro.

Them niggas are bums. No, that's a fact, but on the series, no, let me tell you something and pertaining to the, what you say with niggas talk about niggas. Once you start playing with niggas emotions, happy, sad, man, whatever. And I ain't talking about that situation. I'm not even talking about what you're talking about.

I'm just saying in general. You got niggas. You got niggins emotional. And that's just that. So you absolutely, I never cared. You'd be in a wrong business, excuse me, to give a fuck with somebody say. If you care what somebody say,

you're in the wrong business, nigga. What did you say? What did you eat before the show? Beef jerkeys or what? Hey, yo. Just taking time you to fucking burke today. Hey, yo, I'm not drinking lean and I'm not eating edible pop talks. Bro, it's not lean, bro.

That's what I'm not doing. Just because it ain't in a double, just like, just because it ain't in a double cup. Lean days are over with, bro. Oh, they over with? That shit's still on your system. That shit ain't ever get out your system, bro. Used to was a rooster, my boy. You know what I'm saying?

All right. I never had lean. I don't know. I don't know how quick it leaves your system or stays in your system or anything. Oh, damn. I'm sorry. I can't, like, have a moment with you about Lean. And can I ask you a question, though?

What was the shit? What are he talking about that? Y'all was selling dope, man. Like, you start crying. I dressed it to come on the mall. Me and murder talked about it on the show. No, I want to know. I'm, I wasn't on a show.

It's 100% lie. And I asked the question? Yeah, absolutely. It's 100% lie. It's not even true. You're getting desperate. You can't trust him to. You can't trust a nigga who's gonna take their teeth out

in the middle of an interview, bro. That's just that. If you trust the nigga with men interview, take their teeth out, it's telling the truth. That's on you. I gotta ask questions. I'm not the answer. No, you can ask all the way.

Yeah. I have no. Go ahead, Trin. Like, I'm, I'm, I'm asked all the questions I want to ask. Okay. So the Dolphins lost to the bills 31 to 21. Pac-Man, at any point, did you think the dolphins were going to win?

No. The dolphin train is over with. From the fucking head coach to Tyreek Hill to Tua Tonga via Loga. I hope I said that. Tua Tunga via Loga. I said that right. I think all that shit over with. We said it last week.

This is week. What, three for them? I think it got one more week and there'll be a coach of change. But I think all that shit is over it. And they start with two is a bomb, bro. And all that shit about not making Tyreek Hill a captain because he's going through divorce and all that shit. Fuck a divorce.

I get played to play fucking football. If I show up on Sunday and do my fucking job and lead the team, I should be a fucking captain. fucking captain. I'm just saying all the motherfuckers who got to see on their chest are playing like shit starting with the quarterback so yeah I think this is over with and in Miami it's gonna be a whole nother cha-chow slide down there in 12 months I thought it at Tulsa and at towards halftime I thought that they could possibly win it was tied up at halftime I know that they missed the

field go, talking about the Buffalo bills on special teams, and I'm like, here we go with this special team shit. Every week is some fucking special teams fucking up. Dallas kicker look really good last week and saved them. I mean to cut you off, but like that special team shit is really big, bro. Like, I'm talking about like when it comes to kickoff, punt return, um, time of possession, like yardage. Like, that special team shit wins games. Like, Patriots shouldn't have won last week, but they one because of the special teams. Like, they dominated special teams.

My father, I'm in the country. No, you good, bro. Like, that's the point I was making. Dallas doesn't win without special teams last week. You know what I'm saying? And when I seen the kicker miss that bad for the bills, I'm like, they better get touchdowns because the kicker ain't looking good. It wasn't even close.

That nigger kicked that shit all the way to the side. But after halftime, I agree with Peck. I didn't think the Dolphins was going to win. And we talked about this leading up to this game. Miami's chemistry. Miami chemistry is all the way off. And Mace brought up with what Pac-Man said, is saying that, how Tyreek is going through divorce or whatever, whatever.

And I have the same opinion is packing this pack. I'm not here to get a nigga's personal opinion to say shit about niggas or anything while I was personal business or nothing. But you got to show up to work. It don't matter what you're going through personally, you got to show up to work. You can't bring your shit to work. This happens a lot in basketball.

And I'm not going to say niggas names, but the reasons we've seen, yeah, the reasons we've seen niggas not come to work for months because their girlfriend is sleeping with their boyfriend or this person is moving to a different side of the country. Like, it's just basketball niggas will be taking months off. And I believe because basketball checks are more guaranteed than football players checks. So they got time to do all that shit.

Yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It depends on the contract. But answer the question, I agree with PAC. It's over in Miami. The body language is off. You see when they start talking about niggas in the press conference, that's going to make niggas off.

Tyreek didn't end the season last year 10. He wanted to be there. He got on his avatar, on his Twitter or Instagram. The pitcher Antonio Brown, when he's leaving Tampa Bay, all the signs is there that the chemistry is off. And I think it's too late to get back. But as far as them winning last night, not after halftime. At halftime, I thought maybe they had a chance, but no.

Yeah, by halftime. It was pretty evident by then, but dolphins are going to have to do a lot of internal searching to figure out what they're going to do next because they're going to have to make a lot of changes if they want to even get back to being. They are fine. Everybody, everybody who, all the players down there, go ahead and pack your shit up. If you, if you're on the budge of having another contract and you ain't bawling right now, go ahead and pack your shit up. Mike Madeline you should be your house should be already packed up to wherever the

fuck you are from or where you think you're going but like that shit is over the only person that's probably gonna be there after this year is tour that's a terrible situation being if I were him I want to go to but he can't he can't make that decision go see what happens yeah they paid him too much he's there like he ain't going nowhere yeah it's unfortunate okay moving You know that shit. And that's the reason why I really don't agree with the captain's shit because, like, Tool, you're a great quarterback, but you're not nothing without motherfucking tools.

Like, it's like a man going to work that got to fix a car, that ain't got a motherfucking screwdriver. And if you can fix a car without a screwdriver, that means you're really crafty. Tool is not crafty enough to fix a fucking offense without a screwdriver, or it's basically what I'm saying. But like, and I think all this shit started when Tyree here was going through the shit that he was going through. And Tua talking about, well, he need to come back and make friends with the team first. Bro, shut the fuck up. Let me ask you a question, Pat, because I've never played on a level that you've played on. I never even played football close to the level you play football on.

But when we did play basketball at an amateur level, we didn't give a fuck who was the captain. Like, yo, you go do all that talking to the referee. You don't, yeah, if you want to do all that shit, cool, that's on you. You, you don't give a fuck in the league. I already know what you're about to ask you, is that a big deal? Do the best player, let me just ask this for the audience. Does the best player or one of the best players have to be the captain? It's never the best player.

Right. Like, because nine times out of the 10, like, if you got a guy like me, like, yeah, I was captain probably. Out of 14 years I played, I was captain, maybe four years. Like, my mental was so fucked up. Like, I didn't want to be the one that was going out there. I didn't want to be the one like, I'm already like wired up. But like, no, it's not fucking captains. And if you don't vote on it, it's a fucking coach's opinion.

And nine times out of 10, the quarterback in the center are definitely gonna be captains. Okay, so moving along, Chiefs wide receiver, Rishi Rice, was suspended for the first six games of the season for his involvement in a multi-car crash last year. In support, some of the Chiefs players, including Travis Kelsey, wore a free four t-shirt to pay tribute to Rice.

There was some backlash on social media. But Pac-Man, how did you feel about it? Did you see a problem with it? What are your thoughts? Everybody go through something to get to something. Shit happens. I go through a lot of shit. I'm in shit every day.

So like, I'm off for not second chance, third, four, fifth, six, seven, and eighth chance. So I'm on a second chance. I'm all with that. Like, I support, I support the player, like, peer point blank. Yeah, um, six games. I don't really, I didn't really, I know he was in a multi-card crash, but I don't really know the details of exactly what happened, but I know that they was racing. And I had a friend that actually did seven years in jail for racing because he, killed the other person he was race and died.

So it's part of being young. Listen, I don't know how old he is, but when you're young and you got money, you want to have fun. 25. Yeah. 25. Man, damn, I remember 25. 25 was a wild time, my nigga.

25 was a real wild time. So when you 25, you're having fun and you got money. And sometimes athletes, I believe, entertainers or whatever, But we believe that don't worry about what we do when we're not doing what we're doing because we got a life too at a certain time.

When we're not entertaining you, we have other things to do. And sometimes people look at athletes or entertainers or anybody that you look up to as, wow, what were you doing here? A lot of times if I go back to Harlem, they'd be like, damn, what you're doing here? Nick, I'm from here.

They just surprised because they only see you on television and that's what they know you from. So when you get an incident like this, they'd be like, oh, what was he doing? Why was he racing? Nigger, he was living his life. He didn't think he was going to get it. I'm pretty sure he didn't start the race saying,

I hope somebody gets hurt. He's trying to win a car race. At the end of the day, Pack is right. You deserve second chances, but I don't want to speak too much on it because I don't know too much about it. But I do know that I had a friend go to jail for a long time for racing cars. And looking at the quick article that I'm looking at,

it just says some injuries. I don't know how severe the injuries are. So I don't really want to comment on it too much. But six days, six games, seven years, I think that's pretty good. Yeah. What you said? And just to add a little bit, just for context for the viewers who are watching, so a couple people were left injured, he was sentenced to five years probation and 30 days in jail after

pleading guilty to two third degree felony charges. And then, of course, his teammates wore that shirt just to basically say, like, in support of him coming back to the game. So that's just a little bit more context, but yeah. Yeah, Pac-Man. Probably costs him about 300,000. He getting 50 a week, I just Google his country. So I think that's a significant fine, I think.

I don't know about your, but there's a lot of people that's out here just doing a lot of bullshit that's not getting fine, $300,000. I'm just saying, it's a small pay. That's a... 300? Yeah, I'm just saying, man. I'm just saying, 300.

That's a quiet little smack on the ass. That's all I'm saying. So let me say this. This is to play devil's advocate, right? Let me ask you this. You may say 300, and that's why I said I don't really want to talk. I'm just making imagines in every scenario, because I don't know... It's time six.

We're just saying 50 times six, five times six. No, no, I understand the number. I'm just saying I don't know the whole scenario, so I'm just for the audience who'd be like, can, man, you know, listen, I'm making this scenario up. I'll give you two scenarios real quick. What if somebody's injured to where they can't walk again? That's what I was going to ask you.

I wasn't going to go to death, but what if somebody's injured to where they can't walk again and then they sit there and say, make it's only 300,000. Bro, bro, like, in the morning, he didn't wake up and say, like, I'm going to hurt somebody. True.

So, I don't know the situation. That's what I said. Like, a motherfucker can get paralyzed, I mean, get paralyzed and walking across the street. Like, it's so much shit that's going on in today's time.

Like, I'm not going to say, like, it'll... 300,000, hopefully, ain't nobody paralyzed, but... If it is, it's why you got insurance and shit like that. And I'm not condoning violence. But what I'm saying is people make mistakes. For him to make a mistake, and ain't nobody dead from far as I know,

ain't nobody paralyzed, hopefully. Yeah, no, that's what imagine every scenario. I'm just asking their opinion. And lawyer fees. Just think, out of half a million. He out of half a million, bro. More than that. Let's just, hold on, let me think.

What is it fucking before taxes? Let's just say again, 80, 85 a week for six weeks. After that, like, he down there out of half a ball. That's why I was, no, that's why I was asking your opinion. But, like, he wasn't drunk. He wasn't, like. But see, the thing about the reason I act, but see, that's the thing about it, because let's say, for instance,

I'm just giving you an example. And we're giving examples. I'm not saying about him. If you fall asleep while you driving and you crash and kill somebody, you still get involuntary involuntary manslaughter. Because you went to sleep. That don't mean you was drunk. That don't mean you was high.

I don't mean nothing else. You could have been on your phone real quick. Text message. Boom, involuntary manslaughter five years in jail. That don't mean they did it on purpose even. So that's why I was giving them scenarios. You know, and that's the thing about it. When you're a player,

and I'm not trying to highlight this, they put you up front. Two years ago, I believe it was Andy Reed's son was in an accident and injured a five-year-old right before the Super Bowl. I ain't hear shit about that since. Hold on, hold on.

They ain't just injure. It was way more than fucking injury. We haven't heard about that, though. Yeah, what are the fucking echo, nigga? That's the fuck is you talking about. I just said that, nigga. The fuck is you talking about? So what happened then, if it wasn't just an injury?

What happened? Because I thought it was injury. No, no, no, no. It was more than an injury. I said, we haven't heard about it. Right. You know why? You know why? Why's that?

Why? Tell me why. You tell me, you're so fucking smart. You tell me, smart guy. I'm not feeling you no more today. I'm not doing it. I just asked the same question, and now you're going to try to reverse the question. No, I'm asking you.

I'm asking you. Why we haven't heard about it? No, you're going to throw the hip on the bus. Yo, you, wow, bro. I'm not feeling no more today. I'm not doing it. I started my sentence off and said, and I said they put celebrities,

the players, the athletes, whoever are front. But Andy Reed's son, two years ago, right before the Super Bowl was in a car accident that severely injured a five-year-old kid. And we don't hear about that. Now you're trying to ask some of the same thing. That is not what you said.

Stan, is that what I said. That's not what I said. It is. but I was exactly what I said. But, like, my point is, bro, is, first of all, players are going to be held to a high standard. That's pure point blank. Because if I go outside tomorrow and piss outside, like right now,

it's the biggest story than, I don't know, Joe Blow going downstairs and pissing. So, like, I don't know, I was on. Fucking, that channel, I only wanted that, like the mouse and shit for 75 days. I mean, 70, what was on, 175 days straight? Nobody in my house could even watch that shit when I was going through my shit. But I don't know. It's a part of the game, but it's crazy that other people can get away with a lot more shit. This is true.

That was my point. It's a part of the game. Yeah. Like, if me and you, like, by the same way, you just grab your nose then. Oh, okay, we're gonna bugger this nose. Like, how the fuck do you know what broke out in his nose? Like, how do you come up with that conclusion? Yeah, that's 100%.

They'll say worse. They'll say I was on cocaine because I touched my nose. I get what you saying 100%. You're absolutely right. I know this is a Kansas City issue, but I don't, I'm not feeling this, you know, whenever somebody gets, It hurt. I think people be taking it way too lightly because it's celebrities, but a life is a life. You can't just lose a life and say, oh, we got insurance or, oh, there's money set aside for that. That's somebody's life. You know what I'm saying? You got to think about if you lost your child and somebody says something like that, you'll feel, and you'll feel super crazy about that. So I think six games, dollars may seem like a lot to a lot of people. A life is much more. important than six games.

I think we all keep that in perspective. Even for me, that's for me to say that. But I understand where everybody else is coming from. But I don't think that penalty was enough, realistically. And I'm a Kansas City fan. Nobody died. I just so you know. Mm-hmm.

FY. Yeah. Nobody died. Oh, nobody died. Then six games is enough. So real quick, I'll add, because I know I'm always the one who's like, has a different perspective, but I do think that like, even if it wasn't his intention, it's just like when you elevate and you're in a position where you know a lot, especially when a lot more eyes

are on you and when you start to make more money, whether you want to or not, you do just have to move differently. And so luckily, it was just injuries and it wasn't something worse, but it could have been. And that's kind of like a should have coulda, would a situation. So I'm happy that he will be able to come back and play. And like, I understand his teammate support for him because to me that makes sense. But just looking also at the outside end, it just could have went a very different way. So it's also just a blessing that everybody still is alive and not even just the people that he injured him himself also being alive. Because in situations like that, you just don't get second chances.

So I would just say, just be careful. I want everybody to be protected and safe. And that is always going to be my mentality that's never going to change. So hopefully, moving forward, it don't happen again. Hopefully it don't happen to other, because I've definitely lost friends in racing and stuff like that. Like, it's a serious thing.

So like, I just think you just got to be careful. That's all. That's all. Okay, could Shador have been a Raven? We will discuss after the break. Heart, one look. Excuse me? After last night performance, we're gonna do this again? Yeah.

That's right. I don't think so. And make sure we close the door behind you. When I take the pussy up me. When I take the pussy up me when I take the pussy up me when I take the pussy up me I'm Rico fucking strong.

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Girl, let me see you walk it off. Oh, let me see you walk it off. Yeah, let me see you walk it off. Go. Girl, let me see you walk it off. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. So on Sunday,

the Titans will play the Colts. Underdog has Cam Ward at 204 and a half passing yards. Do you have them higher, lower, mace? I'm gonna go higher. I'm gonna go higher for the young boy, pause. I'm more on lower. Okay, Daniel Jones is at 208 and a half passing yards. Do you have them higher, lower, Cam?

Lower. Yeah, lower. Okay, and Jonathan Taylor's at 88 and a half rushing yards. You have him higher, lower mace. Higher. I'm gonna low. Okay, make sure y'all download the Underdog app and you can make your picks too, so.

Hold on stat real quick because I know we get into the topic. Yo, Pat, Gino Smith's still top five? Yeah, he had a bad week. I know you're gonna talk shit. Shit. I can't stand a nigga who can't take accountability, man. I can't stand it, man. I can't stand the nigga who can't take it.

How did Justin Herbert look though? Where? Justin Herbert, look, how are you looking? I'm good. All right, all right, because we could go roll. I just want to check that all. I just want to get into time at the end of the season. Yeah.

Yeah, Justin Herbert going to be in. Justin Herbert got a team, though. He got one of the best defense in the league. I will say that. Do you shit it on that nigga when I was talking about the nigga? You act like that nigga wasn't even a game manager. You diss the shit out of Justin Herbert. Listen, man, Gino looked bad.

All right, we'll see how the end of the season. All right, we can move on. I ain't going to dwell on it. It'll be back next week. Okay, so Adam Schaefter reported... Why are you talking shit? Gino has 7,500 passing yards in the last two years. What did it just hurt, bro have?

He's been hurt. That's why I ain't going to lie, the best abilities of Hillip. Oh, oh, okay. Let's see if this nigga lasts the whole season before you start jumping on the horse. Pause. Hey, yo. Wait, wait.

What did he just say? Horse, man. Jump on the horse, however y'all want to say it in New York. Listen, the whole shit about it is this pack. We in a, when we talk about football, we in a whatever you done for me lately. I don't wanna hear about what you did last year, two years. That's what I'm trying to tell you, my boy.

That's the whole point. Hey, hold on, that's what I'm trying to tell you. It don't sound like. This motherfucker's all right. He don't even last, though. When to tell me the last time he played the whole season. You're right, I said that though.

I definitely said that. If we're going to talk about what niggas did for me lately, Mateska talking about Kansas City. They owe and two right now. That's what I'm saying. He gets triggered by that. He gets triggered when I say. Yeah, he's telling you.

Hey, Twinnah, you get rid of all your niggins. You get rid of all your niggins. Yeah, it's that. That, you said, that. This is my face, I'm supporting you. That was a crazy sub. He was chilling. He was basically chilling.

This thing is crazy, man. Okay, y'all. So we got a report from Adam Schefter. He reported that the Ravens wanted to draft Shador Sanders, but he didn't want to go to a place where he'd be competing and backing up Lamar. Jackson. Pacman, do you think backing behind Lamar, pause, could have been a good thing. Why would he go there? It don't make no sense. No, I do not want to go there. Here, point blank. Why in the fuck would I go and sit behind fucking the MVP? Why would he go to Cleveland?

Well, you know, well, anytime the NFL call, no, bro, get out here with that cap-ass shit, bro. Why in the fuck what I want to go and back him up? First of all, we're two different quarterbacks this motherfucker can run and can throw it a little bit i mean he can throw the ball um maybe she does a better passer in the pocket but he is not fucking lamar i wouldn't i would have told him the same thing don't don't want to go see you why why would he play why would he play third string for a losing team least you have some wins on this belt third screen for a losing team that don't have no identity of the team

you may have a shot but we're talking about bro Lamarie is damn near arguably the best court one of the best quarterbacks in the league I want to go over here I'd rather go to Cleveland

I'd rather go anywhere Giants I'd rather go Saints Tampa Bay um you can name it but like i don't want to go sit behind the motherfucking nbp like are we really mad because he told them that i don't want to i would have said the same goddamn thing like what are we talking about like if let's just say it's my son he the best running back and the eagles trying to draft him in the i don't know whatever round it is that he got drafted

then. Oh, why in the fuck, would you want to go sit behind a sake when I'm barking? Don't make sense. That's just my opinion. I just don't understand how to everybody is like so upset. And I really, I understand it because it's Deion. It's the young kid. I understand it because he already got everything that he won't or what he need. Lifestyle flow back. The crazy part about all this shit is like, They're mad because the way, I guess, he's living, I should say.

Because he's a fucking, he's a dork, bro. He's, if you meet him, one of the lamest kids in the world. Like, it ain't like he, no, he don't act like either. So I don't understand, but like, I want to went there either. Like, fuck, no. I don't want to go. Murder, you guys understand? Yeah, I think it's, I think it's great that he didn't go to the Ravens.

I was just asking that question just for conversation. I think it's always better that you go the best place that you have the opportunity to play. I could even think of some other teams that he could have, you know, potentially went to like the Jets. It was a few other teams where I thought he would play immediately and him going to Cleveland, you know, and not going to the Ravens, I think was the best thing that could have happened to him. Other than them not playing them, I think when he's not playing, it just doesn't. make no sense at all. He could put a lot of buds in the seeds, Pauls, and he can make a lot of money for the franchise as well as he could get them a few wins in the early career and then growing to the quarterback that he needs to be for years to come. I think all of this is really

counterproductive for what he brings to the table and what he actually could do. I don't know what sign they're trying to make out of Dion's son, but I really wish it would stop is enough at this point. Oh, what the fuck happened to your mouth doing that? Yo, what the fuck? You ate that Pop-Torpe. What the fuck is in your mouth, yo? What the fuck happened?

What did you get? Yo, what is it? Yo, what the fuck is in? Yeah, bro. What is that? What the fuck happened? What is that? Don't worry about it.

It's dip, bro. You know, we ain't going to have you, listen, man, we're going to hold you tired. You can't be up here drinking and drug in every episode, man. Bro, you cannot say that. People really be thinking that. Yo, I just see the, the show, you ain't had that shit at the beginning of the show. What the fuck is that? I felt, I didn't notice it, but I thought it was your camera view.

The shit just, just murder, you see the shit? I can't see them. from my camera, but what is it, a chocolate brownie Pop-Tart? The nigger keeps up the two in Pop-Tarts, Fruit Punch, and with nicotine. I already ate the part-tart. And it's really edible's, uh, uh, uh, lean. He said he got it from Joe Borough Locker. Yeah, I, yo, bro, the nigger, yo, bro, the nigger whole mouth for this, shit is good.

I threw me off my bad, my master, I, yeah, I agree with y'all. Yeah, they wilding. They wilding, they wilding, bro. Yeah, I, but, but, yeah, I don't think. What the fuck is that in your mouth, though? Well, yeah, I, I, I thought it was gonna go away. I thought it was the view. I ain't know what the fuck was going on.

Yo, um, yeah, all that shit, y'all said. The shit, I'll throw no for a minute. Yeah, you're fucking with Dionne, son, and all. Shout to Coach Prime, shout to Shado. But I, but seriously, I really agree with you. It didn't make no sense. Listen, let's be totally honest. You don't go, if you're a quarterback,

you don't want to go to baltimore you don't want to go to buffalo and you don't want to go to kansas city you know you would say that about cincinnati but because joe burrow gets hurt so often you might have a chance there but even when he comes back i don't give a fuck if you go me and mace had this conversation if you go turning old joe burrow's coming back get the spot back they paid him 275 million he coming back so um yeah we don't want nobody but joe burrow in the city of cincinnati yeah but those are the four teams that you if you're a quarterback you absolutely don't want to go to yeah um last thing i'll add everybody has kind of i mean you guys are pretty much in alignment everybody has their different thoughts on that but i was just

curious in you guys's life have you ever made a questionable career or business decision that actually ended up working out in your favor pack man um yes i wasn't really into the property thing like what was like bro we need about this problem like bro fuck that shit i got this money in is HRA and all this shit. Why would I spend my money to buy property? I ended up buying a duplex, what, 100, 10 units. It turned out to be pretty good. That was probably one of the ones I didn't want to do that I did.

But yeah, I made a lot of bad ones, but that was one of the ones that was like, fuck, I don't want to do this. They end up working out pretty good. Nice. We like the positive things, too. Mace. Yeah, I would tell y'all a few, but y'all would stop supporting the brand. So I know our niggas stink.

I'm going to keep that to myself. Killer is on you. Yeah. Pac-Man, oh, 110 bandos. I'm Joach's trash that he bought. And they still too much. Yeah, he bought 110 bandos, my niggas. Bando.

It's all type of roaches and them shits and all type of shit. Rats and roaches and crackheads living in them shits right now, murder. I think I act like he did the hood of favor. That a nigga bought 110 bandos. That's it. But that's dope. But on a series note, like... Shout out to Little Haiti, Atlanta.

Little Haiti, Atlanta. Shout out to Little Haiti. I didn't know Atlanta. No joke, so I didn't know Little Haiti. Atlanta had a little Haiti. Shout to Little Haiti in Miami, my niggas from out there. I didn't know that. I don't know if I made money off by accident, like you said, question.

I lost a lot. I won a lot, but like Pac-Man said, I ain't gonna say a lot. Every time I do something, not every time, but when people see something that's successful, they'd be like, damn, everything you do work. Nah, I bet. Nah, I would say seven out of ten things don't work, but just three things that do.

work? They look good. They make up for the seven things that don't work. You know what I'm saying? So, um, yeah, so I don't think I ever did anything and invested in something I didn't think will when else I wanted to invest it in it. So to answer your question is that I invested in a bunch of things that didn't work, but the things that I invested in that work made up for the closest that I had. Got it. And before I move on, Mace, you sure you ain't got, I know you said you wasn't wasn't going to share, but there's no way that you don't have some sort of story, something that you're like, okay, yes, I made the right decision, even though at first you didn't know.

Man, man. I could think of a lot of things. They'll pretty much all go viral, though. I would think about one of the things was trying to buy my publishing back. That was one of the things that really did. well for me. Another one was putting a small amount of money into artists that I wasn't sure about, but they end up doing very well. I could think of a lot of them, but you know, for the most part, I think everything like Killer said that you invest in, you kind of have to believe in it

to some degree. So I wouldn't say I didn't believe in it at all. Yeah, fair point. And thanks for sharing. Because, you know, we want to hear stories so i got to ask you but that's dope okay so the ncdb a is eliminating the spring transfer portal window and shifting to a single portal portal window sources tell cbos sports don't know why i can't say that word they haven't announced the dates and timing it but pacman do you see this is a good thing or a bad thing the spring transfer portal be taken away uh i'm not really a big fan of or the porter like i just think is this It's almost like being, excuse my friends, being a hoe. You know what I mean?

Where I grew up here, where I'm from, like, we don't go to other blocks. So, like, I hate the transfer portal to tell you the truth, unless it's before the season. But, like, I don't like that men wait doing the same thing. I have pros and cons to the portal, but for the most part, unlike Pac-Man, I really support the portal because it keeps the corner. coaches from running amok on the players. You know, some coaches get a player there, tell them they're going to start

or tell them, promise them all kind of things, and then try to switch up on them. The portal keeps them accountable to the fact that they say, okay, if you act like that, I can get out of here and I can go to the next place without you holding up a lot of my career. There's so many athletes probably are watching this show that realize they went to the wrong school and their whole career was different because of the coach and what he decided to do once they got on campus.

So for that reason only is the reason that I'm in support of the portal. I like both of y'all's points. I like Pac-Man's points. This is where I chose to be and this I ain't going over there because y'all won it. But to Mesa's point,

a coach will get you there and, you know, it's a little different. No, I always relate my mind. shit to basketball, even though this is football. But you're right, mate. A coach will get you there and a new sensation to come and you'll be on the bench.

You know, we have one of our analysts on this show, Maurice Claret, and Maurice started as a freshman. Think about the niggas on the team and there was running backs that was there as sophomores, juniors, and seniors. And this new freshman sensation came when you thought if you was a junior and wasn't starting last year, and this year

you're about to start. And you're like, And then it looks funny. I'm just giving a scenario, even though I believe Maurice deserve to start, the coaches from Youngstown, now you get in the number one player from Youngstown.

It looked like some hometown favoritism, shit. Even though I believe Maurice need to start, but if you're a player, if you're a player, you're looking at it like, word, that's crazy. What I will say is this. I have opinion even way. I think both you guys make some great points,

but what I'll say about it is this. Ryan Day from Ohio State, he was really upset about it because what he's saying is the date that they're using the portal, some teams will still be playing because right now is eight teams or it's going to be 12 teams and eventually be 16 teams. And if you're not one of these teams, and if you're one of these teams that's still going to be in the college playoffs,

you're going to still be playing and not have time to focus on the portal. That was Ryan Day's beef about it. So they're still finalizing dates, but the dates that they're picking is throughout the college football. playoffs and championship so I don't have a opinion I think both you guys made some great points but I would say on Ryan's day behalf change the date so therefore teams that's in the playoffs have a chance to even focus on that because if you're in the playoffs and the portal shit's coming up what do you focus on you focus on

trying to win a championship not focus on the portal I don't think around they worry about that shit they got the best fucking program in the country I mean no that's good point no that's no who the fuck is It's transferring from fucking Ohio State. What I'm saying this, Pac-Man, that's what he said. I'm not making it up. I'm telling you what he was mad about. I wouldn't know if he didn't say it.

I seen him say it. That's the only reason I know. Yeah, he said. Yeah. That's probably because he can't fucking see who was fucking transferring then, probably. Because if he can watch it, I'm course sure he would love it. But like, Ohio State is the mecca of football right now. But that's what I'm saying.

The reason he's, you got to think about this. If you think about where he's coming from, right? He basically saying, I know we're going to be in the playoffs, nigga. I need, so that's, you know, if you're a team that you're not going to be in the playoffs, you ain't worrying about it. He's basically saying, ain't no doubt we're going to be playing January, first, second, third, whenever, however, whatever the day says. So that's why to me he bought that shit up because he's like, yo,

niggas, we ain't one of them teams that are not going to be playing in January. Yeah, so let's figure this shit the fuck out. So that's why I thought he bought it up. Okay. thing before we wrap, there's just some basketball that I feel like we got to address. So Pat Bev accused NBA All-Stars of taking the game for granted. Trey Young responded and said, relax, let us speak for herself. So then Pat Bev went off and said, it's a long little quote.

So bear with me. He said, I don't think he's won enough to even speak to me. He's been into playoffs three times. I've been in the playoffs nine. My first seven years, I didn't miss the playoffs at all. I've talked to people who played in Atlanta. They don't want to play there. Why?

They don't think he's a good leader. They don't think he's a good teammate. You can make all the money you want. You can have all the leading assist you want. You can do all that. If you don't win, that shit won't matter. If you don't win when you retire, they're going to forget your name. So Trey Young did respond to that.

But first, Pac-Man want to get your opinion on those comments from Pat Bev going off on Trey Young. I like Pat Bev as a player, but he is just a guy. Like, he's not Trey Young. And I've been to playoffs nine. season and having won not one playoff game and everybody know my motherfucking name so I don't agree with that shit just like that and like I ain't even talking about personal personal accomplishment that I've made like the all pros the pro bow and all that shit but like get the fuck out of here with that

come on pappy like come on pappy ain't won shit either like what the fuck have he Yeah. Yo. Like Crick is in his motherfucker. Pack is an A.T. Alien for real. He stood up for his boy. Come on, man. That's really cool. Yeah, I think, I think there was some truth there. I, you know, sometimes you hear the truth from people you don't want to hear from. It's harder to hear it from somebody you think is not on the level that you're on. But there's some truth

to that like yeah we do remember pack man but there's a lot of people that we don't remember he's an anomaly to that conversation and something and there's some family is one of the ones that you're never going to remember what are we talking about you're going to remember tray young ain't nobody going to remember uh pat b bro nobody i'm saying from where i'm saying from where i'm come on like are you are you telling me you're going to remember pat b in five years from now Did you remember when he was playing in the NBA? I'm saying, yeah, I did a little bit, but not that much. But I'm saying if some with the with the temperature of NBA point guards that are being made and manufactured today, it will be easier.

Not that not that they will forget, what's his name, Trey Young, but there's a lot of point guards that can make you forget that real fast. So we saw that even when it came to Jalen Brunson. As he heat up on the East Coast, we kind of forgot about Tray Young that Tray Young was like going crazy on the East Coast. Once Jalen Brunson got going, is that correct, killer or not? I want to know from some of you. To be honest, you know, you're 100% correct. Jalen Brunson is, you all think about the point guards on the East Coast.

Even though Donovan Mitchell did this thing last year as well, Damian Lillard was on the East Coast. Jalen Brunson came and took over at East Coast as far as point guards concerned, so I do agree with that. Don't nobody know, Pat Vee, bro. He's a defensive player, bro. Get out of here, bro. Oh, yeah. Don't nobody know Pat Vee.

If you ask any kid right now walking, hey, you know, Pat's the bad bliss. I'm like, huh? You know, Trayon? I'm saying with the way that point guards are going on the East Coast, if they keep going, they may forget both of them, you know, like,

With Tyreece Maxie, who else is there? I'm just asking a question. Was Pat B or household name? Yes or no? No. All right. What the fuck are we talking about? Like, that's what I'm saying.

There's a lot of niggas got a lot of ass in the conversation, but they ain't got no game in the fucking conversation. That's what I'm. Pat, he was a good player. Not taking that and against him. What was the question to make this even? And why did Pat Bev say what he said, what led to this? Yeah, so basically, Pat Bev was just saying NBA All-Stars are taking the game for granted.

He was saying, like, there's a game and you don't see one All-Star on the court. So Trey Young was basically like, relax, let us speak for ourselves. And he was like, Trey, you don't have room to speak to me. Basically, you haven't won enough to even say this or that or this. Has Patrick Beverly ever made an All-Star game? Exactly. So why is he talking about All-Star business? I like Pat Bev, you know, I like the defense.

I like Tony Allen, Pat Bebeth, but you got to stay in your room. When I say stay in your room, I meant like when it's all, like when he says All-Stars taking the game for granted, that's why Trey Young probably said, I'm an all-star in the game. I'm, let All-Stars talk about all. If it's a defensive conversation, Pat Beff, go have the defense conversation. I'm going to talk about All-Star shit.

I think it's a great dynamic while I think I know they're on ESPN now. I'm talking about like Charles Barclay, Kenny Smith, and Shaq. You know why that dynamic is great? Because you have Charles Barclay who never won a championship. Kenny Smith, who's won a championship, two championships, Shaq, who's won four championships. And then you got Shaq, who's the league MVP, Barclay, who's the league MVP.

Kenny Smith never won the league MVP. So when they talk about certain shit, they shut the other nigga up. Like when niggas be talking about, yo, when you win a back-to-back championship and Kenny and Shaq is talking and Charles trying to chime in they say Charles shut the fuck up you don't know what it takes to win one championship that alone when they're in a back-to-back championship when they start talking about yo when it's the league MVP you know to win the league MVP and Kenny Smith's chime they tell Kenny Smith shut the fuck up you don't know what it's like to win the league

MVP so you just mind your business and this kind of seems like what this is about all-stars talk about all-stars defense is talking about defense you got have opinions Like anybody have opinion, but if you're an NBA player talking about another NBA player, that's what I would say with if I'm, if I'm, if I'm Trey Young and Pab-Bel, let All-Stars talk about All-Stars. We'll call you when it's a defensive topic. Okay, Trey Young actually did respond. He had like a 15-minute little video that we'll save for the next episode because, you know,

Trey-on really do too much on the media side. So it was really interesting to get his perspective. Like I said, make sure y'all stay tuned for the next episode because we'll definitely discuss that. but that is all the time that we have for today pack man it was a pleasure to have you on the show smell me pack next week brother i love y'all love baby you get what i'm saying you all ready thank y'all for watching and as always it is what it is What you want, nigger? Everything nigger super size.

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