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And today we are joined with our analyst, Maurice Claret. Moe was good, killer, what's going on, man? This nigger hair, bro. Yo, yo. Back to the court is up.

Yukon going to lose now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You're going to lose now, man. You don't learn nothing, Ma. He's trying to go to coat it. He's trying to wear his shirt under it. Like he's on the assistant coach staff.

Yeah, man. That's trying to put the corporate bulletproof vessel. More, the court is it got Ohio State out of here. Guy than fucking up for you, Carl. Do your thing, though. No, you got to put the collar shirt on. under the, uh, to get to the bad open off you. So that's why

I didn't prove to look. You're looking like alumni, Mo. You're looking like alumni. That's how people come when they got there. He's not an alumni from you call Mursey. Look the shit you do, Mercer. No, now I'm saying he's looking like alumni when you, when you got the

bag, when you, what they call them boosters? Yeah, the niggas who come through with the check. The new players, you know? Oh, that's a great question. I miss, you kind of, you kind of They may be the best person to ask this question to.

If you don't graduate, are you alumni? Niggia ain't alumni. Because I didn't graduate, but they keep asking me to donate. Yeah, you're not alumni, Cam. Why they want me to donate? I'm going to follow up on that because you're actually not alumni. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But you're part of the system, and they definitely find to ask for that check

if it can help promote anything that they got going on. They say, I think they say, killer, could you make a donation? I said, I didn't learn nothing. I don't know. I don't know. Did you come back and talk to the kids? You sure you want me to tell them? I don't know if you want me to tell you what I really want to say.

I said, look, if you retire in my jersey, I got a donation for you. They was willing to do it. And I said, y'all just agree and everything. Forget it. I don't even want my jersey to tie it. Because now y'all just making shit up. I'm not a man son of, I'm not alumni. May I just said, I'm not alumni.

So, no, I don't have anything to God. And they asked me one year, Killer, I told them wait another year for the money. They made me wait another year for the diploma. Yeah, for the guy. I feel you on that. You didn't graduate, though, because you threw water on the teacher at the end of the school year. Yeah, they're killing them got me in trouble. I didn't do that.

You threw the water on the teacher. Yeah, he bet me. I bet you won't do this. Nika knew I was graduating, you know? Yeah, I was a year behind him. I didn't want to leave me. You actually did it? Yeah, you know.

Nick says stick around another year. You know how you think you're about to graduate so you could do anything? No. You can't do anything. No. No, I couldn't even imagine. Like, I can't even imagine that. No, a bucket.

A bucket. You're talking about that. That was a bucket of a woman. Oh, shit. So that was planned. Got it. But, you know, we've grown. We do a different thing.

Yeah, we're grown. That means, no. We still, we still win. I guess that's what matters. Wow. New story. I always learned something. Maris, glad to see.

we are going to start with some things that happen in the NBA. So there was actually a Hornets Pistons fight that ended with four players getting ejected. Jalen Duren, Isaiah Stewart, Musa Diabate, and Miles Bridges. So it initially started with Jalen Duren and Musa. Jalen Duren put his face in Musa, put his hand in Musa's face. Miles Bridges then got involved. And Isaiah Stewart came swinging off the bench to confront Miles Bridges. So it was a huge brawl across the whole entire court.

Jelander and then after the game said emotions were flaring at the end of the day we would love to keep it basketball but things happen everybody was just playing hard so Maurice I'm sure you saw that clip as well what did you think of the situation and then how did you feel about Isaiah Stewart

even coming off the bench to begin with to get involved trying to help his teammate yeah well Isaiah Storr was in the other Negro who made me laugh I was like y'all this is making crazy y'all I'm talking about anybody who's seen the video my man took off with a full spread, you know, all the way down the court. And by this time, I think anybody who's known the NBA rules and seen the malice in the palace,

you know once you leave that bench, it's like you throw on the way millions of dollars. And I said, man, you got to be out of your mind crazy to sprint down the bench and then think like you're about to get into a real altercation or a real fight and have it be worth all that money. So I think like the initial two dudes who got into it, that's just, you know, dudes get into it. they mad, they passionate, you know, and the dude mugged him. So I think the dude really wanted to fighting, and, you know, people kept on intervening. But when Isaiah Stewart, this is where I think your reputation sometimes works against you when you're supposed to be the enforcer and the bully, you end up not thinking and put yourself in a super bad situation when ain't nothing really going

happen. So I thought it was funny. He just certain parts of me thought it was funny, but I was like, yeah, this thing I'm crazy. He just threw away millions of dollars over a fight that he didn't have. Yeah, I think when they come to Isaiah Stewart, you're exactly right. This is becoming his reputation. I think we need to start really looking into NBA fights, right? Like they used to have celebrity boxing matches. We got to start expanding that to NBA players because there's a lot of NBA players always acting like they're about the fight.

It reminds me of my boys, shout out to Tay Rock, the battle rapper. He's always about the fight. He just never fights. waiting for the fight, but it never happens. But he's an amazing battle rapper, and I love his battle rapper and pause. But, you know, Isaiah Stewart is one of those people that just always is about the fight. He need to get it over with, get him some cross-branding, get him some money in the UFC. I would love to see him fight a lot of people that's in his weight class.

If that's what you're going to do, but I hate when niggas keep trying to fight when it's about basketball. If you want to put that energy into something, put it into, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, The post game, man. Put it into something that's going to help the team. Fighting is not going to help the team. I have you changed. Just, shish, shish, shish, shus, shus, shus. I said, yo, what's your dad?

He said, you're too domesticated. Yeah, my son didn't say that. He's really not murder no more. Like, he said, he's domesticated. I called his son, I asked him about some music with Macy say, yo, he's just too domesticated at this point. I said, yeah. I said, yeah, I remember murder when you had to know how to fight.

Yeah, he had to know how to fight. It was like, it was a part of the game. Yeah, it was a part of the game. But the difference is we would actually fight. These guys never fight. The only way you can use that as a bluff card is if people know you would take off. If they know you would take off, then they're like, yo, file me again. Fowl me again.

Then everybody act right because they know you would do something if they file you again. But if niggas foul you again and all you do is act like you swinging over people, that's not going to help. Yeah, listen. I think it's, I think when David Stern cleaned it up, I'll be all jokeside, because there used to be a lot of fights, a bunch of fights. We've seen, who was it, Carmelo snuff, Nate Robinson? Yeah.

Carmelo caught like 40 game suspension off that, you know what I'm saying? And that was later. Chris Chiles was the best one. Yeah, Chris Chowse, two-piece Kobe. Yeah. R.P., you know, Mo bring up mouse in the house. Look, in the 80s, it was, man, Maliburg, Kurt, Rand.

Look, it was a lot of fights. But I do think for the brand of basketball is better without all the fighting. You know, this is a hockey to where you can fight as part of the game. So I do think it's better cleaning up. But I was talking to my man Church about and kind of to what Mace is saying.

I'm like, you know, I was saying, a dude, a dude, a dude, a little bit. When's he going to have a fight? Yeah, he got to hit somebody. We don't see him flex on Braun. Braun backed up a little bit like, watch that nigga. We don't see him get into a little jersey tug

with Draymond Green. We seen him last night, runs full sprint off the court. Did he connect? Did he hit anybody? No. Miles got a hit in, though, for that. It was, yeah.

But he definitely ran up. That's how you get knocked out, running up with your hands down, thinking everybody's scared. She's running up. You keep running up. Nigger, this, yo. Now look, I don't want bumping to Isaiah Stewart.

That's how life works. That niggas say, yo, what's up? That nigger looked like he about six, ten and church said it. Church was like, killer, that nigger. That nigger, it looked like if he connect of one of them niggas, it's going to be a problem. But I haven't seen it yet. It just lives a bunch of running down.

Now I said, Stuart, I don't want to run into you and to be the first example. Oh, you running down? It's a bunch of six, nine niggins out there just talking crazy, man. But let me tell you, son. I'll tell you a story, right? I'll tell you a quick story.

That is a story that is a story that was told to me. And it has to do with my man Nick. You know, we call him, yo Nick. My man, Nick, one of the producers, right? and people don't know Nick every day, five, six days a week, goes to the gym, and then he trains with professional UFC fighters.

And it was some niggas in a bar talking crazy, or I forget where they were at a restaurant, talking crazies and Nick, because Nick looks like a regular white dude. Not bad, I'm just like some cool white boy. Like, we're the fresh sneakers, cool guy. You don't look too brawling, you know what I'm saying? OVO hoodie.

Yeah, OVO hoodie. They're jortons on. What's up, man? You know what I'm saying? What's up, dude? You know what I'm saying? And they was talking slick to Nick. And Nick is sitting there with four UFC fighters at dinner.

And these niggas were talking crazy to these niggas. Getting in their face and everything else. And Nick in his posse, he looked the niggas like, it's that time. And I said, how did it then? he said we had them all in submission holes and asked them if they had enough. And imagine B, imagine, imagine, like, I'm not going to say else because I'm using the weapon

nigga got me in the choco. Like, imagine this going to be like, we're going to fuck these white niggas up. And the next thing, you were at dinner like this. Yeah. Nah, you got it. So you got to be careful who you plan with. I brought all that up to say,

like May said, Running down is one thing, but you run down and then next thing you know, you're in a full Nelson or whatever the moves is called. And now you're tapping out. Be careful who you're playing with. I'm not saying that about Aziz Stewart or anybody else. I'm just saying, be careful.

Because you're going to have to make sense, like May said, you're going to have to take off one of these days, so diggers don't think that you bluff. Not only that, even to your point, all it takes is messing with the wrong person. Like, luckily things have got split up a little bit early and people can kind of assess what's going on. But I mean, I know at this point we've seen a compilation of Isaiah Stewart basically

running down on people. But there's other people who we don't know if they can fight or not. So I wouldn't even want to be in that situation to begin with. And even to attest to what you were saying about Nick, because I did one of them little things and he did have to put me in a choke cold. You cannot breathe. You cannot move. So Nick put you in a choke on?

For one of the, yes. So you're not really explaining the story. Basically, they do it to where. So basically you went to the gym. Yes, I went to the, it's called the dungeon, something. I went to the dungeon and we were practicing the move so you could protect yourself. And Nick is like, well, I'm going to show you so you know what it is when the situation happens just so you kind of know how to get out of it. They put you in some sort of chokehold.

I don't remember the exact terms or whatever, but the way it is, your neck is locked between this part right here. You literally can't breathe. And I don't fight it all, right? So you could take what you want from what I've said. But I'm not expecting me to not actually be able to breathe. Like I've never been in a situation where I've been choked out. So like I don't know what that feels like. But then when it's happening and you actually can't breathe in less and less air,

you're like, hold on. You've got to just go based off of a tap to get out. It doesn't matter how big or small somebody is. Like if they are going to put you in that chokehold position, it's clips. So good luck to y'all. And that wasn't no accident. That's for when you talk slick to Nick a little bit. I didn't know.

I was by design. Don't you come to the dungeon. He did say something slick while he was doing. But I can't even say nothing to defend myself because you're literally getting choked out. So yes, y'all don't mess with them. M.MA fighters. I don't know what they got going on, but it's a lot. I ain't going to lie now.

I'm not an MMA fighter, but I've choked some females out that wanted to get choked out. Sexually, I'm talking about. Like, you ever murder? I choked this girl out, right? Did she pass out? She passed out. And then I still kept hitting it, and she woke up. She said, oh, shit, I don't believe you.

You ain't even stop because I... It's great. That ass, you ever... I don't know. She put my hand on her shit. for me to do, I saw, this is what you want. Yeah, she was with it. Yeah, she was with it.

And next to you're, I'm not. I ain't stopping that. That's on you. Yeah. And she woke up and she was like, I don't believe you. She got right back in.

This is where I might have on talk with fleeting. So everything is a joke. I'm going to bring on talk to flee next episode, man. Witness. But you want to do murder for a girl. Like, man, look, we just was talking about old.

murder yesterday. I'm telling me, I'm going to bring her to a flea. Murder, I know we can't do old murder every day. What do you do? What do you do if she grabbed your hand and put it on your neck? I'm just saying, I know we, I know you ain't a lot right. You got too much yesterday. Yesterday you got too much once a week, kid.

Sorry, man. Said you kept going. Yeah, well, he left, though. Oh, God. The nigga choking her. See, that's... And she passed out, she won't get up. See, think about it, murder, you hear the snoring.

You got to know, don't choke out for four minutes. You get you about a... Get you... It's 70 seconds, yeah. You got a 70-second maximum, if that. But I agree with you. We used to talk about that today. Because I got a thing.

on Instagram, probably not Instagram, on YouTube. It's called Jowell's Investigations. And I went back to see an old customer and I'm paying one of my old crackheads to do breakdance moves and all type of shit. And he's doing cartwheels and all types of stuff. It's on YouTube.

It's called Jiles Investigations. And my engineer had told me how there's a crackhead out here that somebody gave him $50 to do a backflip. He broke his neck and died and they put the nigger who gave him the $50 in jail. Yeah, that's crazy. That's not fair.

Word, you can't even help a crack hat out no more. You're trying to help him get some money. Word. He didn't jail for manslaughter right now. He didn't sign a disclaimer. He didn't have him sign a disclaimer. Yeah, yeah. Maurice, did you have a comment before she?

No, that way left. Okay, you know, he was kind of part of God, but. Yeah, this is. This is why he needed a disclaimer right there. Okay, real quick, before we move on, because I know a lot of people were wondering what kind of happened to Isaiah Stewart after and what he had to say.

He basically said, you're not expecting me to stay on the bench. The F was I drafted to Detroit for. So that was his reasoning for jumping in, getting involved. To each their own, we don't know what's going to happen with him next. That's what I like to say. I ain't going on. I ain't going on the city behind him.

Yeah. Yeah, the city I love it. Not the weak. I don't know how they go. You really need to go to one of those gyms out there in Detroit. They got a lot of good boxing gyms, you know. Shout out the AB out there, you know. They got a lot of good fighting gyms out there.

Also, if you like to fight, I don't see no reason with making that part of your career. Like, if that's what you want to do and you want to run down on people, make it a career. Like, we've seen Chris-on Rock do it. Now she's getting into boxing. I think that is a great idea. It is not bad if you want to shift career positions. But, hey, like I said, to each their own. Okay, so 49ers player Keon White was actually shot at after a reported altercation with Little Baby.

So this is all speculation and alleged, but according to the San Francisco Police Department, officers responded to a business located in SF regarding to a shooting. When officers arrived at the scene, they found a victim suffering from an apparent gunshot wound. It was later revealed it was White who suffered the wound to his ankle and reports say the entourage tried to enter his private event. then it was noted a witness went upstairs to get assistance from management to de-escalate the situation and heard to gunshots when they were turned downstairs. The 49ers player had been shot in the left leg. So a lot going on. Maurice, what are your thoughts on the situation?

Do you have any advice for those type of situations? Because things pop off all the time. But how do you think those situations should be handled? Yeah, I had a thought on it. You know, and I just don't be taking like a lot of young guys know. you know, just because you grow up in a different area, you just don't have people who teach you or who guide you. And I don't know, you know, it's all speculation.

Of course, little babies there, they get into an argument, so you'll blame whoever he's with. But I'm speaking to the football players in this regard. You know, in this day and age, man, when you're dealing with egos, popularity, or you argue with anybody, I think even when you argue with somebody has some stature and you're dealing with the camera error,

where everybody has to record everything and everybody has to put everybody on spot. I think all of that stuff just escalates stuff. You know what I mean? And so just having a presence of mind, rather you or somebody you would, just not even put yourself in a situation when you have in confrontation.

And I just know that it's people around people who are real popular because there's people who around me that these people will fuck you up just to show loyalty to me. You know what I'm saying? And I'm not sure that there's a lot of football players that there be in confrontation with people that realize that there's people,

people, like you can argue on the internet, and I'm not saying that this is what happened, but it's me giving an example that, like, having the presence of mind to say, hey, before this stuff going any further, before I raise my voice, before I get other people involved in it, or not even the person I'm talking to, just people that they love around them involved in it, and you end up in these silly situations, you know, and we have to talk about that. I keep going to talk about risk management. It's like some shit just ain't worth it, and there's enough information out here that keeps you out of these situations.

So it ain't just about him. It's not a saying that either little baby did it. or the people he was with did it. But it's for somebody else to learn from it to say, hey, man, you know, do you just don't put yourself in a situation because you don't really understand all the factors and the people around the people who you maybe argue with? Yeah, I totally agree with you. I think this is a healthy way to have this conversation.

When you're playing football, you got to remember, you're doing clings, pause, you're doing pull-ups, you're doing power squads, you're doing everything that make you probably look like a, a bodyguard or anything else. So when you're running up on normal people, that's really the only method of defense, not taking his side or a little baby side or whoever's side, you know, not saying that any of them were there.

But when you think of someone like Keon White, he's gonna look like a definite threat, even though it's his party. So you gotta keep that in mind when you're running up on people like we were just talking, even though we was joking about, Isaiah Stewart, but that's what happened when people run up on people that are not their size. They, you know.

I ain't saying, no, that ain't the next nigga getting shot, Nick. All right, you know, you say something now these days, murder. They get mad at everybody. I don't got time for all that, man. I've been shot once. I don't want to be shot. I don't got nothing to say about none of it. But outside of this situation,

I have nothing to say about Keishon or Little Baby. Little Baby's cool. That's my man. I don't know Keishon. So let's move. Keon White. I don't know him, but

get better. Let's move them out the way. Mesa's right. Yo, bro. You know, niggas be like, yo, when I see niggas, y'all niggas is in the gym every day doing all type of exercise and everything else.

Little baby probably, I don't know I haven't seen him in person once Maybe like 170 Yeah 160 a little short of me Maybe five now Man listen bro He's not right in a football player

And he and little baby I don't know him that well Just from his personality He don't look like he's gonna let you try and play him neither So what's next What's next? What's next? What's next?

Move the option B, man. It's an option that is not going to happen. And when you think about that, like Mo said, when it's a camera era, this is to anybody. If the camera's on, you almost got to turn up. Because the camera's on. We just saw that online, you know. Let's get it shaking, you know.

The camera's out. Something's supposed to happen. The camera's out. You know? You're right. Yo, listen, I told me that all the time. You want to, even if it's sporting just snuff a nigger and get jumped. At that point, because it looked like you tried to do something.

Yeah. But just in general. And I'm not saying it ain't athlete niggins who are not gangster, tough, or whatever else. But you have to realize nine times out of ten, it's a lot of entertainers that make, even though they're very talented, make great music and so on and so forth. but they got out of rough situations to where now they're looking at their superstars musically,

but they will backtrack to their original origin or their environment and you're putting their back against the wall because you're an athlete. Look, I don't really have to say Mace kind of broke it down perfectly because he looks like a threat. I didn't even Google a picture of Keon.

I'm just saying the average athlete I was on line Yeah, defensive line Yeah, it was a boxing other day, right? I don't want to see the picture of him, I'm cool I was a boxer or a line, right? The other day, right? And, you know, niggas dis me all the time,

murder, this thing, and the thirtons. I don't be giving the fuck, but he said some slick shit, and he was like, and me and him, I'm not even going to bring his name, but we resolved this instance. It's actually since sin resulted. But the other day, he was like,

yo, I guess he didn't like my take on the Shakur fight. Oh, that's what happened. Yeah. He's mad like, oh, Kim. I don't care him. I shouldn't talk about boxing because him and murder, now they like Shakur. They didn't like him.

And I'm like, bro, we either just talk about what we see. If you look good, we talk good. Right. If you look bad, we talk bad. And that's kind of what I related. Yeah. And so he was like, yo, man, y'all niggas are a niggins dick. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

whoa, what's all that about? Who said that? The nigger I'm talking about. Yeah, he's right up. And I'm like, yo, you need to watch all that. He's like, yo, he's like, yo, stop playing with me. I'll beat you up. This is what he texted me.

I looked at him. I'm like, he lived in the Bronx. I said, where are you going to live? You're not going back to the Bronx. and then sin got involved and everything else. But that's what I'm saying. Like the point is,

yeah, you're right. I was 49. I'm not going to box a boxer who boxes every day for a living. But I'm not going to let you talk to me crazy and do something to me. A lot of times, and I'm not talking about Mace,

myself or Mace, if you see a lot of people walk around like, like my man, and I'm not saying her doing, I get my man, man, D.C., right? He'd be dolo a lot of time. Shot to me and D.C., that's one thing.

Because he knows if you do something to him. Where's going? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'd be like, yo, man, you good? He'd be like, nah, because man got the label. He's like, no, I kill him. And I've seen him running the altercations by itself. And the consequences,

they be... They're dire. Yeah, they're dire. That's what I tell, nigg. You think I'm by myself It's going straight to heavy metal That's exactly where it's going You rock and roll all you want

Shout to my man, man, D.C. But I changed since then. Me and more, we got sponsors, killer, you know? Yeah, absolutely. You know, you get rich enough. What age, this is a question for all of us in the room. What age and what amount of millions do you get that you got to call the police?

What age do you get to at that age? Because I think I'm making enough millions. I might be ready to call the cops on that. You pay taxes. Yeah. That's my gang. My gang is the police. Yeah, listen, you pay tax dollars.

If I'm in trouble, I'll use the fire on, but I make enough to call the police down, Kim. Listen, I'm not knocking it. The thing about it is, right? This is one thing. You say you'll call the police, right? Mm-hmm. You're not in the room making deals with them.

Niggas is out here making deals with this. We got footage in tape recording. Niggas out here making full-flash deals. You ought to make a call to get out of a situation. That's cool, man. You ain't asked for a cheeseburger and fries. They didn't give me a cigarette in a black and a mile. Yeah, man.

A little Mound Dew. I get that. Black man in the money. Yeah. I get it. That's fair. That's what our CPA asked me, he was making insurance for us.

He said, how much money do you guys got to make to call the police? You said, I'd scam that. That's a good question. See, this is what I would do. I'm just telling you, right? Thank God I haven't been in that situation.

But just a case, because you never know. What you got to do is this, right? If you got to call police, I'm going to give you some advice. I've never been that such a story. This is what I would do. I'd be like, hello.

They'd be like 9-1-1-1-7. I'd be like, you better come get them for five. I'm doing it. They can still sound tough on 9-1-1-1. You better come get these nigs, right? They're going to put your shit out there. Before I do something crazy to these niggas.

Before I do something crazy to these niggas. You better come get them. Oh, man. So, you know, that's some advice if need to be. Hopefully it won't come to that. It won't. It won't. It won't come to that.

But that's, hey, y'all, straight up. Oh, man. Last thing I want to add just regarding the situation, because I know articles and social media as soon as they see something, they're so quick to attach somebody's name to something, which is why I'm super clear I'm making Sir I said allegedly, and this was reported, just because we, like, People are trying to say this person did this and this person did that.

We don't know if this person did this. Yeah, we don't know if little baby did anything. We don't know if Keon. We don't even know if Keon got shot. It could have been to not even related. And social media is just so quick to attach somebody's name to a story to just paint some pictures. So it's like, even though we talked about it from a more general stance, still the question and how I read it, I just want to make that clear. Yeah, but the 49ers does not need another injury.

Oh, yeah, I know. That's the sad part. That's what I was thinking about. Like, man, another injury for the 49ers. And any time an athlete gets shot, it just, they're never the same. I could go through the history of them. People be prominent. They be promising as young up-and-coming talent.

But once that happen, it's like even teams sometimes pull away from you because they feel like you're dangerous. So I really hope that this goes well for them. And you recover. have a speedy recovery and attack the field with aggression. And another thing from somebody who's been shot, it doesn't, like, it's better on breaking the bone. If you get nerve damage, it'd probably never be the same. Like, I can't feel my pinky on my right hand to this day.

Like, and I got shot, it'll be 20 years ago this year. So, and I still can't feel my pinky and my ring finger on my right hand because I have nerve damage. Zeke is in the building today. It started raining. He's been shot up on his stomach. He's like there my whole day is fucked up. So because of the weather.

So sometimes that's why I'm like when you're an athlete, you got to take your career into more consideration and say, man, I'm staying the way of the fuck away from that. It's hard when you're younger. I understand that. But getting shot is not always a recovery thing. Yeah. And something I do want to add too,

because I know you're talking about just like being careful and being aware of your surroundings. Sometimes people are putting situations that they're not even aware of. Because I know we're talking about the 49ers, even Ricky Purcell, like he went shopping and it was an armed robbery and he got shot. He didn't even start an altercation or do anything to warrant that happened to him. Yeah, like, it's just kind of also like knowing where you're at too. Yeah, it's called self-awareness.

You actually got to be, you actually got to be aware of your surroundings and aware of yourself, right? So there's certain things that you don't want to handle. You don't put yourself there. It can't happen if you're not there. So this is why you have assistance. This is why you have bodyguards. This is why you have house parties instead of parties on the bottom floor, pause and somebody's on the higher floor, right?

You're still in the same building with these people. If you don't want to be in a building with them, you rent an Airbnb, a multi-million dollar Airbnb, have security. out there. I remember I went to this party, Jamie Fox had, and he put the party on the studio's lot. He made club live over in this studio party. I mean, and it was the best party I think I ever been to. It wasn't, it wasn't no crazy stuff going on. All celebrities was there was no security guards, and everybody was performing. It was like, once your song, come on, you do two of your songs, every celebrity that was.

there was performing two of their famous records. It was a great time, right? But he had it in a secluded place where no guns could come, no, no gang members could come. You know, it was just all good people there. So that was a great time. You got to secure the type of party you want to have if that's the party you want to have.

Real quick question, because you just made me think of something before we move on. This is actually for you and Cam, When y'all go to an event or like a function or something and somebody starts playing your song, do you like, like, what is your reaction? Do you like that or do you kind of just like, do you walk through? Like, you know, when people are like, oh, this person's arrived and they start playing your music on the loud music. I mean, sometimes it's cool. I hate it when I go in stores and people do that.

Right? They'll be playing, they'll be playing post-malone and then you walk and then they throw your music on. It's so obvious. They put it on just because you were there because that wasn't even the vibe of the song. store, right? When you go from Pushaistee to Maze's, like, you know, that's a weird transition. You got to play a few records before you get there.

Shout out the Poochishti. Right. The Jamie Fox Party that you went to was puffed there? No. It was secluded. It was secluded and safely. Okay, we back at it. Okay, okay.

You said it was secluded and safe. I just was like, you performed. It was on the WB or one of those movie studio lots and they remade club live. And Pupp wasn't there, but it was like Denzel, Leonardo DiCapio, Luda. It was a real cool part.

It was like all of the people you think are cool. Not all of people you think are creeps. Yeah. Um. Yeah. It's got to be clear these days. So thank you for having my back, you know. Yeah.

I wanted you to explain. Yeah. So nobody would be like, oh yeah, Mace was at the party. Yeah, yeah. Not the party. I did that for you. Yeah. You're right.

But to answer your question is that, yeah, Mace is correct. Like, when this obvious is, annoying. Like, I hate that shit. Like, I hate it so much. Like, you know when you, you're young when it first happened, cool, but I just hate when it's mad obvious, like, when you get in the car and the driver notices you, and they were like, and then they throw it on, like, yo, your whole playlist, like, yo, my nigga, it's just me and you in here, pause. I don't need to hear my old playlist right now. Or like May said, when you go in the restaurant, they

change the shit. I really hate it. I really do. If they're already playing it, then cool. That's true. But like putting it on demand as soon as I walk in the building, you're supposed to start performing. Like you're like, literally, I'm just walking and trying to enjoy myself, but cool. That's a funny answer for y'all because I never asked you all that, but I always thought about how that would transpire. This is right. When they do it purposely, it's a lot. When you first hear your record, you go crazy. When it's your first time hearing it, I remember I was in a college dorms when I first heard myself on the radio.

I was like, oh, yeah, I'm out of here. Yeah, that's why I'd be. First time I heard my song on the radio ever, first time I heard my song on the radio, I was with, I'd have a baby, I was with my baby mom, and we was in her car. She went to school in Delaware, and I wasn't even in New York,

we was in Delaware, but you know they get Philly Radio Station. And the song I did with DMX came on a radio, pull it. And she's like, yo, that's you. And I'm like, I'm trying to be in the smooth as possible. Like, yo, this is crazy. I'm like, I'm in the studio. I'm trying to tell you shit's about to go up.

Or if she got out, I was like, yeah. I was dumb, like, yo, I was dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb hype. I was dumb, like, but she's a gangster, so I had to play cool. But she was like, I had to play super duper cool. the first time. I couldn't, I assume like, you know how you're trying to control yourself on the inside pause? I did the best I could, but when she got out, I almost got out to come, pump my fists

and everything. Words. Real shit. Okay, y'all. We're going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss All-Star Weekend. Don't go anywhere. Welcome to option, maybe I'm my own problem, babe.

She's tired of hearing up. What's stubborn in me won't fall for a call for the day? So tonight, the Celtics, the Celtics will play the Bulls. has Jalen Brown at 29.5 points. Do you have them higher, lower, Mace? I'm going higher. This is a Batman year, man. I'm going lower.

Okay. Derek White's at 18 and a half points. Do you have him higher, lower, Cam? Excuse me, you got the money, you got the contract. He cut the hair. Should have 19 points minimum. I'm going higher.

Yeah, I'm going higher. Okay, and Colin Sexton's at 15 and a half points. You have higher, Laura, Mace. What team is calling on? I was just about to say that shit. He was on Charlotte. He was. Remember it was Utah, then it was Charlotte,

then he got traded as part of that trade to the Bulls. Come on, Colin, they're playing with your name right now. You got, I'm going higher just because it's Colin. You got to do something about this. Then Drew, write the nigga up here. Yeah, he was up here. Yeah, and he was talking about they going to win it all. Yeah, he said Utah going to win it all.

Remember that shit? We remember. And we looked at him like he was crazy. We love to have you back on. Let's see. Let's do the update, man. I'm going to go higher because you're a friend of the show, man. Don't make us look back.

Make sure y'all down on the Underdog app and you can make your picks too. So, All-Star Weekend, we know we've discussed a little bit here and there and we've seen. I know you guys feel strongly about the rules and what they've got going on between the world and the state. It's a lot. But how do you guys feel about LeBron's All-Star starter streak coming to an end? And at what point, Maris, and I'm going to let you go first, do you think maybe LeBron just wants to enjoy that weekend instead of having to participate in all the all-star festivities

like he has for years and years? Yeah, I think part of just him sitting out is just him wanting to enjoy it. And y'all can call me crazy. I felt different a few weeks ago, but I actually think that this is it for LeBron. It's my personal opinion. I just like look at his face on the sideline.

You look at all the stuff that's going on with Jeannie Bus. You just kind of look at the state of the league. And you just look at somebody that, like, I don't know, just when I look at him, I'm like, I wonder if this is my dudes last year just with basketball in general. It says the game is in L.A. He's probably been performing and had to do interviews and entertain the league for the past 20-odd years. He's just like, yo, it's coming to the city. I'm planning.

I've been here for eight, nine, 10 years. I don't know how long he's been in L.A. And I think he just was like, if he really wanted to, he can go out there. He could have dressed up met the limit with the rules with how many games you have to play and still participate it. But I just think like he's just over it. And I just think like this year, LeBron transitions all just, my opinion. Yeah, I agree with you, Mo. And I'm kind of surprised because I normally don't.

But when it comes to Ohio business, you and Cam, I never really agree with y'all on Ohio business. But on this particular matter right here, what I would say is I do agree and I believe that LeBron is worthy of taking the time to rest. The only question or concern, I wouldn't even say a question. But the concern that I would have is that when you're older and you take a break, it's less likely you're coming back. You know, it's not like that narrative that people feel like, well, he's resting and he's going to come back rejuvenated pause. It doesn't work like that as you get older.

Your body takes longer time to recover. So once you, it's better to stay in the grind of it, pause, than to take time off and then think you're going to jump back in their swing of things, boss. I actually hope LeBron doesn't retire. I have no clue if he doesn't or does, but the Lakers are in fifth place right now, which is good.

You have to think about the teams just in front of Lakers, right? Let's think and look at the teams real quick in front of Lakers. Oklahoma City, the champions. San Antonio's the second. We see what San Antonio's doing. The Dunven Nuckins,

who were champions a couple years ago who got some chemistry. We see how good Houston is with their length and pores and how big they are. And then you have the Lakers. So I don't even think that the Lakers are necessarily in a bad position considering, you know, I'm just sitting here looking at the roster, I mean, not the roster, at the standings. I don't think they're in a bad position whatsoever. LeBron's 41 years old.

Right now, shoot. He's averaging 22 points, six rebounds, seven assists, one. on 50% shooting. Look, people would love to average that. I know we hold LeBron to a higher expectation. But damn, you got the Lakers. Of course, you got Luca Dantus there, which is great as well, and Reeves and all that.

But I think he's doing great, my personal opinion. He's still catching alley-oops. He's still busting his ass. But the teams that's in front of Lakers, they should be in front of Lakers with the Lakers' roster presently constructed. The Lakers are right where they should be, my personal opinion.

Those teams are all better constructed, roster-wise, or chemistry-wise, than the Lakers. Now, back to the actual All-Star question as far as him not started. I think this is really dope that he's still involved. Now, I can't tell you how he personally feels, but I think this would be dope. Like, yo, I'm still here.

Nicar, I'm 41 years old. I have no business being in an all-star game. Yeah, still being here. Yeah, I remember niggas gave Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson because of his sickness, pity All-Star games. They gave you, your magic, we're going to get magic. He caught HIV. Let him play one more.

Did I remember Michael Jordan had came back in the league, and Vince Carter was mad because Vince Carter was starting in the East, and they was like, yo, Vince, we want Mike is back. We want Mike to start. Vince, like, yo, let me, I earned the starting spot. How are y'all going to? get Mike the start spot because he's, you know, not saying Mike ain't Mike. But Vince, like, y'all ain't going to let somebody else get a chance to be Vince?

This is not a pity spot for LeBron. This is earned. So whether he's starting or not starting, it's a lot of people who never even played the 35, 36, let alone be a all-star at 41 points. And for LeBron, I would look at it like, wow, this is something new. How's this both-the-bench thing work? Okay, I go sub-in? The doctor, are you coming? Like, you know what I was like?

I would make light of it as opposed to just be like, damn, it's came to an end. It's kind of like when, I know I used this movie a couple days ago coming to America. It's like when Akeen went to America. I said, look at this.

I'm poor. Yeah, I look at this. I live in the tournament. Like, you know what I'm saying? They've been rich in his own life. And then you try something new. So that's the light I would make of it if I'm LeBron. It's something new.

You're still officially an All-Star, and you still have a way to impact the game. Okay. So another thing that has specifically been added to All-Star. So the NBA announced more than 200 global creators will converge in L.A. to take part in the event, marking the most expansive creator footprint ever for an NBA event. So the NBA sees the creator economy ecosystem as an important outlet for immediate promotion, as well as pipeline for recruiting new fans. So a lot of streamers, a lot of TikTokers, YouTubers,

content creators, those are going to be a lot of the representatives at these games. So, Maurice, do you like where things have gone with creators being representatives and even, like, participating in the celebrity games? How do you feel about that? Are you not really rocking with it? I don't know. This looks like the NBA just throwing something against the wall to see if it's stick. You know, I just don't know how you coordinate to.

200 people get to say messaging out, what you're trying to capture. To me, it's just like you're trying to capture more viewership and eyeballs. And then you're just saying, hey, you all will be happy to be associated with my brand. But in my brain, I'm like, how does that connect to like the product in what you actually love? More people may see it. But people don't complain about like not being able to see it. They complain about the product being bad. And so kudos to people who can stay in next to the NBA and get some level of notoriety and be involved in it.

That's an element of it, but I just don't know how it connects. Maybe we see something over the weekend that you say, oh, this made sense and you see how these worlds fuse, but I'm just not intelligent enough to know what they're trying to get across with it. Yeah, that's a great point, Mo. This point, I actually will agree with you on. They're trying to use cross-branding in spite of creating a better product, like you said. The cross-branding is only going to allow people to see it more, but what they're

missing is a better game. And in order to get a better game, sometimes you have to put better talent on the floor, which is so ABC-ish. But when you're so used to going with names and you're afraid to snub somebody who has a name, then this is what gives you this kind of product. I remember the time when some of the guards out of the East didn't start for the first time. And that created a war zone in the NBA for the next couple of years because people were fighting to get back those spots. Almost like when Spreewell went to the east. And all of a sudden, Spreewell wasn't the starter in the east. It was Michael Jordan, right, at the two guard.

But he was so used to being a person on the West Coast that started some of those games that now he had to come off the bench and that created a better league, right? So even when we're looking at the league where it is now, I think it would have been great, like we said, to see LeBron come off the bench and let people see that we are moving in a new direction. I think none has hurt the NBA more than them moving on from players too late. Like right now when you're watching somebody like SGA get the MVP and win the championship, that means, and he wasn't the marquee player of the league, that means you were late to the park. party. Mace, what do you think about the 200 content creators, man? I said that earlier.

What is, I didn't hear it murder. I don't want to say the same thing you said. I said that the cross branding, that in them trying to cross branding, they're not creating a better product. Like he said, more people are coming to the games, but it's not creating a better game. And that was all about how to create a better game. So let me ask you this. Do you think it's good?

I'm just asking you. Do you think it's good or do you think it's bad that they're doing this? I think it's great for the content creators to be able to say I'm partnering with the NBA All-Star game but I don't think it actually creates a better product for the NBA. It's just going to make more people see that you don't have it together. It's like inviting more people to a show that you don't have together. I like that answer.

Very good answer. Okay, man, we're like to double damn, man. You don't know what I'm leaving to. You always get so defensive. No, I'm not defensive. I'm just ready. I'm just ready. You get defensive.

I'm just ready. You call it defensive. I call it ready. I told you that you can. Tomatoes, tomatoes. I told you last year that you can relate to suddenly you got rad defensive. He got wild defensive. And then I tried to tell you how the biggest is going to say is how you know what I can relate.

too. All right. I'm just trying to save you. Make that save you sometimes just make you look better than what it is. What's going on,

my opinion, is this. And I already gave my opinion on the NBA product weeks ago when I said that I can't find NBA game because one day it's on NBC.

The next day it's on Peacock. Next day it's on ESPN. It's all over the place. And they want you to download all these different apps and I understand that it's bringing money to the NBA more, but it did to me, like I said, damage in the product because you can't get consistent games. When you want to watch your team,

you don't know where to find them at all the time. So that's my answer on that. As far as the 200 content creators are concerned, I just think that they see where the world is going. It's not going backwards. And both of you guys said it is bringing more eyeballs. I'm not going to focus. on what you guys said as far as the bad product, because I agree with you guys already made that comment weeks ago. But they're seeing how to get more eyeballs on the game and probably appeal to a younger crowd because you're bringing more content creators.

And Stack can probably elude that it's more than all of us because she goes to streaming events and Twitch concerts. The way who's saying it. Twitch concerts. Twitch concerts. I'm not dissoning it. He's at streaming events. Yo, I can't.

I can't win out yet. Because you're not. You're not. You're not. Yo, man. He's like, I don't know what tone to use. Like, this is the tone I was born.

I'm saying that like, what? Like, what is she doing? Like, what is she doing? Streaming events and Twitch concerts. That's crazy, man. I can't even use my voice. You can't even use my voice. I don't even know what voice to use.

A murder is gaslight. He's putting the battery in it. Guy murder point 10 or two. He's amping it, but I didn't mean it that way. I'm saying that you have more knowledge than us in these, in these type of situations when it comes to content creating or streaming or Twitch or anything like that. I'm not dissing you whatsoever.

I'm actually going to tell you about a situation that I'm dealing with now. Like right now, and I'm not, it's not my situation right now, Shout to my man Alan Grum Black. He used to run Koch Records, E1. I may be doing some business with him. We've been talking about business the last couple days. And he was telling, and this is a dude who made money on physical records, CDs and streaming.

He retired probably like 10 years ago, and he just recently got back into the music business. And we've been talking to last week about some business. He says, Kim, I have another time. I got to do his voice every time to talk about. He says, Kim, it's amazing, man. I have another top 10 rap hit, two rap songs in the top 10 all these years later.

TikTok's amazing. I don't have to pay for radio. I don't have to do anything. It's just a dance on TikTok. And now I have a top 10 hit. God's good, right, Kim? I'm like, cool. And the reason I'm bringing that up in this conversation is because

if that's where money is coming from or that's where it's generated to make more revenue for you as the NBA or as a record company, anything else. Because something's starting on TikTok, a Snapchat, or Instagram, or it's a trend, or it's a dance, or whatever it is, you have to see where the world is going instead of complaining about how the world used to be. I have a bunch of niggins city top of the list,

complaining how things used to be instead of seeing how to make money moving forward. So I don't have a problem with the NBA. bringing content creators. If that's going to change the product, I don't know. That wasn't, I don't think it is. I don't think that was really the question,

but I gave my opinion, I agree with both for y'all on that. But if the NBA thinks this is going to bring more revenue to the NBA in the future, that's what you need to do, because it'll definitely get more eyeballs on the league. Sorry, Stan. Oh, that was great.

Go ahead, Mason. Yeah, I think that is what damaged the product. When it shifted from talent to popularity, That's what damaged everything, music, sports. So I would like to see where they keep it about the new age, how they communicate, social media, but bring the best talent for. I think people are, you're robbing a coach of seeing greatness on all levels, whether it's music, whether it's sports, or any form of entertainment, it seemed like is lost across the board. For example, you take the NBA, it's no longer about the best point guard and the best shooting guard and the best small forward. It's whoever has the most votes is now the starting five.

So now you're taking away the real tenacity to be the best at your position. Now it's more about who's most popular. And now that's why you got people doing the antics that we don't like because they recognize I don't have to be good. I just have to be popular. And that has hurt so many brands. And Mesa's, I totally agree with me. Steve Stout actually had a whole seminar on which you're talking about talent versus popularity. 100%.

I totally agree. But I ain't going to cry about it. Yeah. So I'm just going to figure out how to be more popular. Yeah. But Mace is absolutely right. When you don't have to think about it. this when social media started right

we got A-Town and them niggas. The birds are German. Yeah. Yeah. Got he. Yeah. Got he.

Yeah. Yeah. So it makes us right. It didn't even matter about the talent. You start. Theo. What was it? What was his name?

Teo. I forgot. Terrio. Terrio. Yeah. Tell them Terrio. So you're right. So for once, I actually agree with y'all a lot because I actually feel very strongly about this topic because I think social media is a great thing.

It's put people in a lot of places that they would have never been in before. Like even me, like I've benefited from being a content creator. For the long time, I did not see myself as a content creator, but I guess I am. Like Snapchat has been able to send me to the Super Bowl. like different brands are going to send me to certain places to be representing or just to get content because people want to see things in real time. And I understand that. That's how you get a quicker viral moment. And it works across all platforms. But back to Mace's point when you say popularity, like I do think some of these creators either need a sort of briefing or something because

you're seeing musicians and athletes and entertainers going through media training. A lot of content creators have never been through media training. They've just been. been able to like formulate a brand on their own. It's typically just them in their room making content and they're not getting regular social interactions. That's why a lot of people, when they say they meet certain content creators, they're like, that person was kind of awkward or that person was kind of weird. Their vibe was not what I expected it to be after meeting them in person versus what their personality is online. And I think it comes to a point where you still want to see good talent and good questions. And there's a way to do that while still being current, but also making

making sure that you're choosing the right creators. I remember, I think it was People's Choice Awards. They had a content creator up there asking different entertainers, do you want a gay son or a thought daughter? Like, why are you asking that on the carpet? Like, I know you're trying to make a viral moment, but it's like, first of all, you're catching people off guard. Second of all, why is that the question of the day?

Even just recently at Super Bowl, and this is not a disc because these are also people I'm cool, but at the same time, it doesn't make sense. certain like streamers going up and asked telling um odell beckham junior like i ain't going to lie bro you real fine in person like why why why is that the questions why is that the briefing when you could have chosen i think someone who is maybe more of a sports content creator and have them ask maybe prepped questions or like actually go into discussions about the sport or another sport some content creators okay so i think mayst very special

He wants to know male or female. It was a male. Yeah, it's wild. But it's a viral moment. No, this is exactly what I'm talking about, right? No, no, honestly, this is what I'm talking about. You shouldn't have to kill yourself to be famous. That's really all I'm talking about.

I don't care about a person using their popularity, but don't die in the route to being famous. That's all I'm asking you not to do. I don't think people care. If it's a viral moment, I think people are cool with the raw. That's why I don't think. Yeah, people be in the bed shot eight times. Like, look, they almost got me. Y'all niggas ain't get me.

They're going to get you next time. It's right. Don't do that. I just don't like that. I don't like it. You know, and I agree with you. But you know what this is? There's more.

I'm just giving it back to our era. Yeah. This is more of millions of people are flying. into the ring with off the, what the parachute. This is millions of people running across the Bay baseball fear. Yeah, naked. Yeah. Just drinking.

Yeah. They just got the other day. Yeah. That's what this is, Bertha. This is like. Generation. Cloud chases. Yeah.

It's just millions of these things now. Exactly. They didn't reproduce these. Like grandpa. Yeah, like, grand. But the thing about that, and I'll just add to that, it's like, it might have started one way where it was, like, funny, but I feel like how much more are we going to keep pushing the bar between, like, comfortable and then uncomfortable in, like. I think, like, Killazetta is too late. People will be laying their dead, and people don't go, oh, my goodness, and they just pull out their phone.

That is very true. You're like, wow, that's crazy. Yeah, that's wild. That's crazy. Look what they did this on. So that's all niggas do. And no feelings. It's taking all the feelings away. Well, I mean, social media has desensitized a lot of stuff because also things that I would have never seen I've seen via social media. And even that's not part of my environment. But now I'm seeing it. And I'm like, I don't even know how to react. Yeah, I want to see this and don't want to see that. It's immediate news, too. It's not by accident. It's not by accident.

the CNN has all this. ABC has social media. CBS, all the shit that you grew up watching, they have social media as well because it's instant news. I used to go, I'm a nigger that used to wake up and go by the newspaper in the morning.

At a young age, I was an old man like at 11, because I used to want to see the box scores at 11, 12 years old. I want to see what niggas were scoring. I had to go to buy the newspaper to get the box school. What was the newspaper? If I see a newspaper, like, I haven't looked at a newspaper in years,

but like five years ago, I used to go look at the newspaper, look at all the good stories, put it down, and then just Google all them shit. I'm not paying for the newspaper. I'm not waiting for the story to come out tomorrow. You know what I'm saying? You just have to wait for tomorrow. That's a big deal.

Me and Mace used to be happy. You know, we got to see if we made the newspaper. It was like a real thing to make the newspaper. It's actually cool. Do you guys have those, like, saved or no? No. I did it one time, not no more. But it's on the phone.

If you Google it, my news articles, it's on the phone, you know. Well, to anybody watching, I want a physical copy. So if y'all have a physical copy, the baser came in the newspaper, let me know. We will figure something out because I think that would be dope to keep. Yeah, like if I wish I did, but it's, um, yeah, somebody has it. I know somebody has it. Maris did you have one more thought before we wrap?

And no, that made me feel old when he was like a newspaper and dope. Look at this stuff, front stage. Wow. That's really cool. This is, I remember that. This is cool, nigga. You think he got shot off. Not the headline.

This is a newspaper in the whole that you being on the front page is like, whoa. That was cool. Hey, hey, I'm reading the headline. I see it. This was a big deal. Wow. guys we need to find the newspapers please let us know in the comments down below

if you have access to one I will be reaching out I don't care we're going to get those physical copies and send all of them because you guys probably have a bunch but that is all the time that we have for today Maurice you know it's always a pleasure to have you on the show always

Mo good seeing you brother Mo and look out for those trees man they're on their way it's a new day wait till you see What did I see? It's going to be a Christmas tree. It's going to be something else that's outdated.

But we'll see Maris what it's going to be. Okay. Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.