IT IS WHAT IT IS - PORZINGIS GOT KNICKS FANS WANTING THAT OL' THING BACK & HEATED DEBATE OVER FORMER CELTICS COACHES! | S4 EP35

Episode Date: June 7, 2024

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Mace and Cam. Murder, what up, man? Killer was good, man. Hey, shit.

How you, man? Chilling, man. What's up? Ready for the weekend? up, man? Killer, what's good, man? Hey, shit, how you, man? Chillin', man. What's up? Ready for the weekend? Yeah, man. Sad day. What's a sad day?

Because last night you talking about? Yeah, man. Yeah, man. I mean, it's one game, man. It's one game. Don't look good, but. Definitely don't look good, but it's one game. It is one game, but peep the hat switch completely.

So like, that's the first thing I noticed. So. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Definitely don't look good, but it's one game. It is one game, but peep the hat switch completely. So that's the first thing I noticed.

What is that? What you mean the hat switch? There's no Mavs hat. Oh, the cowboy. I put that with some secret Boston shit you were trying to tell me. The first day they lose, the cowboy hat. I'm glad you caught that stat. I didn't even pay attention to that.

I was shopping for hats. My cowboy hats didn't come in. I was trying to. I'm glad you brought that up stat. I didn't even pay attention. That's the first thing I noticed. Coincidentally. Yes.

It's okay. They didn't come in yet. It's funny. Shit would have been. Man, that was one. Definitely would have been... Mal's one definitely would have been a new cowboy. Yeah, light up cowboy hats and all that type of shit, right? Facts.

Okay, well, today we are joined with our analyst, Maurice Claret. Mo got the green on. Yo, niggas. Yo, Mo, you wildin', Mo. Niggas is wild, bro. This whole show is crazy. This is wild, bro. This whole show is crazy. This is wild, man.

Moe done left Ohio, now he in Boston. What's going on, Moe? What's going on, Moe? This shit on is wild, man. Nigga got the temp fade with his beard like he's Tatum. What's going on? Y'all niggas, this show is just all over the place, man. What's good, Mo?

These my guys. These my guys. Oh, man, that's wild, man. Now they his guys as well, man. What's good, bro? How you? All is well, man. It's a great week.

You know, these are my guys. I won't say that we might say program so no so 2014 so so i ain't like mace i got i got receipts 2014 boston was the first nba team to bring me up today uh today campus and have me speak to the team so that's my that's my connection with the Celtics. What campus, Moe? What campus? You know there's a nigga trying to say campus like the Celtics is a university, Moe. You wilding right now. When they brought you up there, Moe? This was like when they had, what was the coach's name before this one?

Not the black dude who got fired, but the other dude, Brad. Brad, whatever his last name was. Yeah. Brad Stevens. Yeah, Brad Stevens brought me up there. He ain't get fired. He the GM. Oh, he is?

Yeah. See, you don't even know what the fuck going on with your own team, bro. Mo, you wilding. You on that OJ Blueberry Juice, man. God bless you. Yeah, man. Nigga talking, you don't even know what's going on, man. The nigga's the GM, Mo.

Come on, man. Nigga said, what's homeboy name, nigga? Talking about this, his niggas and all this. Yeah, man, that's what y'all two do. He think it's cool to do this shit, man. Talking about he got receipts. Your receipts is wild, Mo. You got the wrong receipt, Mo.

That ain't your receipt. You're picking up off a nigga's receipt, Mo. You wildin'. It's all good, bro. Okay. What's the first topic set? Yeah, we're off to a great start. So, of course, the Celtics beat the Mavs 107-89 in Game 1 of the Finals. Just in general, what did you guys think of the outcome of this game, Maurice, first?

Yeah, it was obvious. It was just two things I wanted to say. The Celtics came to play. You know, that was obvious. And I know we always talk about, you know, taking advantage of when you play at home. And especially with this being like a championship game or a championship series, it was like clear that they came to play

and they dominated in the first quarter. And when I start thinking about, what is it called, the Mavs, or excuse me, when I start thinking about the Mavs, I start saying to myself, when you go into a game and you scheme on Luka and Kyrie and whatever you're anticipating to happen, I'm pretty sure there was never a moment where they thought Porzingis was going to do all of what he did in the first quarter. what he did in the first quarter. And, you know, I'm pretty sure all of the math players was like, okay, you know, maybe Kyria say was maybe Luca get us going, but they struggled shooting the ball coming out. They struggled garden Porzingis Porzingis. And he went on a rip on a, on a tear in that first quarter.

It really helped to set the tone for what was to come throughout the second, third or fourth quarter. And it just, you know, they came and hit them in the mouth, but that's what you're supposed to do on your home floor. You're supposed to take advantage of your crowd. You're supposed to take advantage of the hot hand. And the first quarter, I've been around like man, these dudes just look poised. Even when it was beating them, they didn't look like they was overly excited, it was like they was beating them.

Now Kyrie on the other hand, it looked like Kyrie kinda took the whole thing personally. And he was trying to get the the Mavs going. But, you know, it was just the Celtics excited and they got it done. Man, looking at that game, it looked like somebody passed Kyrie a note, man. You say, yo, you get over 12. We got we got your kids right now, bro. Don't get over 12.

That's how he was. That's how he was playing. This made no sense. Kyrie, he knows he's supposed to have 20 and better playing against him. And I know somebody will say, well, he did shoot enough to get it, but nah. And Jalen Brown, he was guarding Luka like, you know, like, I'm going to show y'all that he ain't all that. Picked his pocket several times. I mean, but I told you this weeks ago, Mo.

Are you ready to say I'm an expert at this? Because I told you he was Batman. I don't know if Cam is ready to say that. But, no, Cam gave it up a few weeks ago. But you more, are you ready to say that? Yeah, he looks serious. You know, I think they're they're playing with his demeanor. You know, he's out there.

He looks like he looks like a man on a mission, to be honest with you. Tatum looks like he's accepted his role. Yeah. Tatum has accepted a role. And to the Celtics credit, they were playing like a team that lost the championship before. So they knew the urgency about coming out to play. Sometime when teams get there, and that's what Dallas look like. They look like they got out there and almost like they're there, but it hasn't sunk in and paused yet. But they'll be ready for game two.

Rob Markman, Jr.: Porzingis looked like Batman last night. I mean, Brown too, that nigga was shook nigga, dunked on a nigga. He ripped Luka twice. It wasn't several times. He was over-exaggerating. But they definitely look good. I don't know why you got to overdo everything. What's several?

Several is definitely more than two. That's the definition? Yeah, Kyle. What's the definition of several? Yeah, throw it out. What's the definition? Always steps? Yeah, pull it up. What's the definition? Always got to take it extra. More than two.

I'm the expert. I'm the GD. I didn't know that was actually, I knew that's what it was. That's the exact definition. More than two and fewer than many. Yeah. See, that's what it was. That's the exact definition. More than two and fewer than many. Yeah. See, that's what I'm saying. I need to start teaching class out here, man.

Yeah, look, they lost this game in the first quarter. Seriously, all jokes aside. An interesting stat that me and my man Larry was talking about is that Kyrie is like 0-10 since he stepped on the Leprechaun. Now it's 0-11. You know. Me and Mase are some superstitious niggas I don't really know.

Yeah, he stepped on the Leprechaun. And then he hasn't won since. When did he do that? The last 11 games. Whatever it is, the last 11 games he played in there, he hasn't won. Now, does that have anything to do with it? On one of them guys, you know, maybe that's why he went in there with the Sage that time.

We seen him with the Sage trying to get that little juju off of him. You know what I'm saying? So that's just an interesting stat to me. Still got to put the ball in the basket. One interesting stat that stood out to me, first of all, Kyrie shot terribly. Six for 19, 12 points. But one interesting stat that I seen

was that when Drew Holiday was on the court, they were plus 20, the Celtics. And when Kyrie was on the court, they was minus 19. That's a 39-point disparity, and that's a problem. That's a real big problem. Everybody was minus, though, when they was on the court for the Dallas Mavericks,

but I'm just looking at that matchup with a 39-point disparity. Luka had one assist. Dallas Mavericks as a whole had nine assists as a team. That's just ridiculous. Dallas had nine blocks. They shot a better percentage. The Celtics I'm talking about. And pardon me, not Dallas had nine blocks.

The Celtics had nine blocks. And they almost shot 50% from the field. Only thing I would say, like I said, it really seemed like it was over from the beginning. It was one point in the third quarter where they cut the lead to eight. Celtics called the timeout and got the lead back up to 16. If I was Jason Kidd, as soon as that lead got back up to 12, I would have called a timeout to counter the Celtics timeout because you was down 30 points. And then you cut it to eight.

That's what I was saying if I'm a coach, coaching the Dallas Mavericks. You're down 30. Yo, get it down to 20 for halftime for me. That's all I need. Get me down to 20. Then by the end of the third quarter, you say, give me nine points. Give me single digits. You did that.

And when it got to eight, they went on another run, got it back up to 16 before you called the timeout. Then before you know the lead ballooned again to 22 points. Jason Kidd, and listen, there's one game, I'm not ever questioning this coach, but that's what I would have done. Soon as they got to eight and they ballooned back up to 10, 12 points, hold on, let's stop this.

We was down 30. We're within eight. We here. Let's not let this get out of control. I thought they had an opportunity when it was at that point, but then after that, Celtics just went back to doing what they was doing in the first half.

So you don't doubt his coaching, but you think he lost it? No, I just thought it... First of all, I've never been in that situation, so I'm not one to tell anybody anything. I watch it from television. So I'm just saying that one situation, that's what I would have done. If you're trying to start a beef between me and Jason Kidd, I'm not going to do it.

That's what you're trying to get me to do. I'm not doing that. I haven't been in that situation. You've been media trained. For all you guys out there, that's what it looks like when you're media trained. See, I threw him the alley-oop pause and he didn't go for it.

Nah, nah, because I haven't been in that situation before and at the end of the day, if you trust your guys, you know, you got to the finals with these guys, you thought maybe they could weather the storm, but sometimes you got to be like, hold on. We were just down 30. We don't want it to get back out of hand, and that's what happened.

You know, Boston has so much time to rest. I just think Jalen Brown was sitting around like, everybody's going crazy off of Ant-Man, and that's a little Ant to me. Being in Atlanta and all of that, I know he was looking at that like, if he's going that crazy, I got to go out here and go crazy, and I think that's what happened. Okay, so you guys kind of talked about it, but I want a concrete answer. So for both teams, who do you guys feel like made the biggest impact

for their team? Maurice first. Yesterday was Porzingis, and I don't know if it's just because he was a little bit fresher from so much time off and he had a little bit more energy or his legs weren't as beat as the rest of the guys, but it was Porzingis with the points in the initial quarter. I'll go with him, but the mentality definitely came from Jalen Brown, but I'll go with Porzingis. Yeah, me too. I would say exactly what Mo said. I would echo the same sentiment.

Porzingis, 100%. He hasn't played in 38 days, missed 10 games, comes in, makes the impact, 38 days, missed 10 games. Comes in, makes an impact. 20 points in 21 minutes. Three block shots in the first quarter. Set the tone off the bench. There's no question it was Porzingis for me. Yeah, he wanted to remind everybody that New York,

this is why y'all drafted me. This is why y'all traded me. And he wanted to remind the Washington Wizards. Why did they trade him? What do you mean by that? Oh. When you said this is why y'all traded me. What do you mean?

No, I mean he wanted to remind them that y'all traded such a great player. That's what I meant. I apologize. All right. Because the one thing about poor Zing is for me is can he stay healthy? Will he make it through the fucking series? I never really doubted his skills, but the nigga can't play for 28 minutes without getting hurt um and this is probably the most he's played i'm talking about in boston this year and probably the last six seven years since he's

been in the league um so that's really the key when it comes to me when it comes to porzingis it's never been about his skill set it's about are you available are you not going to get hurt are you going to get hurt this series not wishing that on him but at the end of the day you have a tendency to get hurt every other week and the impact that he made today that's what seems like is going to set Boston head and shoulders above Dallas now I'm not counting Dallas out like Like I said, they climbed within eight, and they played terribly. But he made lively Gafford look small, pause. I was like, you know, as good as they played in the other series, they were looking little.

And he was just abusing them. It's to the point Gafford didn't even get a lot of minutes because he was just making them look that bad. And I think he was really the one who set the tone, so we'll see what happens. Yeah, I was making that statement to remind, send them what the Knicks would be right now if they had Porzingis. I called that nigga.

I have to. I said, do you miss him? Weren't they everything I love? What would they be with Porzingis with Brunson, man? I definitely called him at halftime and said, do you miss him? Weren't they everything I love? What would they be with poor Zingas with Brunson, man? I definitely called him at halftime and said, do you miss him? Oh, he's never available. I said, I asked you a yes or no question, man. Oh, you always want to say, yo, I hung up on the nigga

because he can't answer yes or no. And then looking ahead, after seeing what you guys saw for game one, are you guys worried for the Mavs going into game two? Maurice first. No, I actually, you know, with Kyrie shooting so bad, and even him not, when he was shooting bad, he wasn't looking to get other people involved. He was forcing the issue.

I think the Mavs are going to go back to the drawing board. Like Cam said, even with playing that bad, your coach is still going to say, hey, even in a messed up situation, you still brought the game back within eight points, right? And I'm pretty sure he's going to go back and say, man, look at y'all energy. Y'all was flat. Like there was no enthusiasm.

It wasn't that killer instinct that Luka had when it was the last shutout game against the Timberwolves. Like It wasn't that killer instinct that Luca had when it was the last shutout game against the Timberwolves. That wasn't present. So I actually think that you'll get better basketball moving forward. I don't think it's out of it for Dallas. But on the flip side of that coin, as much as Porzingis had his moment of his day, is that sustainable?

It's easy for some... Like I give you this, right? The guy who was watching Porzingis, I'm pretty sure that when he's seen his name on a lineup, he probably wasn't thinking that, you know, dude would have that impact on the game. So it's easy to sort of get off on somebody when they're not expecting it. And now that I know that you're coming to play,

my mentality and my mindset is totally different. So I expect just a more competitive series moving forward. But Boston definitely took the first punch, and I don't think that Dallas was ready for it. I'm still going with the Mavs. I did expect Boston to win two games. I expected it to be pretty much like a 4-2 series. So I'm sticking with that. And just so I'm answering the question correctly, Steph? Yeah, are you worried for the Mavs going into game two? No, I'm not worried.

Listen, Boston has home court advantage. They did what they're supposed to do and went at home. We'll see how they look next game. If this second game looks similar to the first game, it's something to be a little bit worried about. But we gotta stop overreacting because I know this is a championship and it's a totally different series, but we thought, and even though the Timberwolves end up winning that series,

we thought that they was going to sweep the Nuggets, and then the Nuggets came back and won three games in a row. So we'll wait and see. I'm not going to rush the judgment, but I will say they need to look much better next game. I definitely agree. Okay, and then as soon as we discuss sources saying the Lakers were narrowing down on J.J. Redick for the head coaching position,

there is an update that UConn's Dan Hurley is meeting with the Lakers. What are you guys' thoughts on that, if that were to go through, Maurice, first? Yeah. So, Mo, where are you from? Wait, wait, wait, Mo. Now you're showing your boss at sports, where are you from? Wait, wait, wait, Mo. Now you showing your boss at sports. Where are you from? Connecticut or Boston?

You got a lot of audacity asking people that, bro. You told me yesterday that you're going to find out what part of Chicago you lived in. Listen, I ain't even mad that you asking them that. But coming from you lived in. Listen, I ain't even mad that you asking him that. But coming from you as well. Let me rock. My bad. I ain't mean to interrupt.

My bad. Yeah, Mo. You ain't showing your boss. That was his team the whole time. Yo, Mo. Well, y'all, Dan Hurley, my guy, man. Y'all know that. Y'all know.

Put it like this. So if Dan Hurley go to the Lakers, y'all know I'm a Lakers fan all the way through and through. So Dan Hurley, my guy. And he's been my guy for the last five years. He was the first one. So this is why I love Dan Hurley. Dan Hurley, he really brought me up to Connecticut five years ago,

four or five years ago whenever he got the job. And he was the first college coach to go against the grain and integrate me permanently within the UConn program. So when they was losing and they was trying to figure things out and first get things together, he took a bold approach and said, man, you connected to our team and I don't care who cares anything about it, but you can help us. And so I'm a Dan Hurley fan and I think he's going just personally.

I know that they said they're preparing a massive offer for him and I don't want to act like it's a small sum of money, but he's only making $5 million right now in Connecticut, right? And so I don't think that when you look at the range of NBA coaches uh head coach positions go from like nine to sixteen million so I can imagine that they may pay him you know 10 12 million after you've come off of um a back-to-back run with championships in uh in college uh you've heard LeBron vocally say out loud that he's impressed with him and uh if you look at the staff of luke murray to tom moore uh and kimani young he has a staff that does great with young guys and um and they they

have a legit coaching staff so i don't know i hope he gets the job and if he does get the job i done already sent him um a video message said look bro you know bring the bring the jet over ohio and pick me up. I'm going out West with y'all. So I'm rooting for him to get there. Yo, Mo, Mo, Mo, for real. Yo, put the camera on me for real. Yo, Mo, please, Mo.

Mo, how did you just make a U-turn from Boston to the Lakers? That is like, yo, that is the crazy. Y'all talking about spinning. Killer nigga went from Boston to the Lakers. That's his team. That's what I'm saying. Yo, Mo, what is this? You are part of Boston, and then you end up in L.A.?

Mo, those are arch nemesis, Mo. You can't be Boston and the Lakers at the same time. You bird and magic, nigga. Hey. Yo, Mo, that's crazy. Hey, you the one earlier this week who said you're going to have a death row chain and a dip set chain on. So if you can do that. You been hanging out with Killer, yo.

You laced, Mo. You are laced. Listen, Mo. Mo, I'm going to say this. You laced, Moe. You are laced. Listen, Moe. Yo. Moe, I'm going to say this. Even when you say LeBron is thrilled about Danny Hurley. Me as well. Yeah. Even if for you to say Danny Hurley would be good for LeBron.

No, he wouldn't. Danny Hurley is a firecracker. Danny Hurley is not going to go for any of those shenanigans. Danny Hurley is going to want LeBron to play the way he wants him to play. Pause. And another thing, I think if they bring Dan Hurley in, this is their way of getting somebody else to tell LeBron, shut up and sit down. Because they don't have to do it now. Dan Hurley would do it for them.

So you remember this day. Remember this day marked. What day is this? June 7th, right? I want you to remember this day. If they get Dan Hurley, they're going in a different direction. Remember I told you that. I don't care what nobody else say.

Yeah, because you know how Dan Hurley is. Dan Hurley want the game to be played the right way. He's from the Hurley family. Bob Hurley, Bob Hurley Sr. That's all people that want the game played the way it is supposed to be played. And not that LeBron doesn't. LeBron is a phenomenal athlete. But that whole running the team while you're a player, that will not fly with Dan Hurley.

No, I agree. You agree with that? I can agree to that. Okay, so you back. You back. It's hot and warm. I'll say this. From being around Dan dan hurley he's not going for that he doesn't he's not a favoritism guy he's not pulling no punches he he's a man's man and

he's old school with his approach and his father is always around him so you get a lot of that old school vibe from the father and just how they treat the game they love basketball and you you are 100% correct that they may be using Dan Hurley to send a message to LeBron if they do pick him up. Yeah. He's on killer now. First of all, nigga hanging out with me is crazy.

That's wild. You don't have a cowboy hat on today. That just reminded me. Didn't even pay that no mind. I wouldn't even pay that any mind. And then I can't even be mad at Mo is because this is what goes on all year from other people on this panel.

Not me. But they switch up all year so you feel it's okay to do what you just did, which is fine. Stat, don't look at me. This your friend. No, all y'all niggas. You want to be looking the way you did yesterday? Go ahead. That's your. No, all y'all niggas. You want to be looking the way you did yesterday?

Go ahead. That's your friend. Both of y'all just switch up. Y'all, I'm Miami, but I just got to say Boston and so-and-so. This is what you say. You pick the Timberwolves, but you come in with a Dallas Maverick hat on. Now Mo got on green, but do muscles for the Lakers. It's ridiculous.

It's all over the place. It's really wild, to be honest with you. There's no stability and no loyalty to anybody until somebody wins. Now, the most loyal is Stat, but she veers off what she wants. Bro, you had a whole Baltimore Ravens jersey on. I explained it, though. I know how it looks, but I explained that.

If your father was cool with it, then I'd be cool with it. If was he cool with it, your father? He wasn't. Exactly. So I dig it. You can't even get, dad was mad. Mo, what I'm more mad about is this. If this is your guy and this is your homeboy, why didn't we get this information first?

We should have had to drop on this before anybody else since that's your man and all this. Flying a plane over Ohio and come and picking you up. Yeah. Why didn't we? Why weren't we reporting this first since you all Connecticut, you at the championship every year, you up talking to the kids. You getting flewed out. Yeah. Now we we don't even get the first,

we're not the first person with this information and that's supposed to be your niggas. But we playing second fiddle to other sports show but you meanwhile, you miss the UConn. It's wild to me to be totally honest with you. Kinda wild, so. Yo, and Killer switched up too. Killer was trying to act like he didn't switch up.

Killer talking about niggas stepped on a leprechaun and all this. He was the Mavs too. Now he's talking about them stepping on a leprechaun. Larry told me that stat. I didn't know this stat. Larry's the one who brought that stat to my attention. And to be fair, because I got to be the voice of reason, he did say his team was the Spurs.

Thank you. So he had to be neutral regardless. And I said, if we're going to do that, my team's in. We got to go with Texas. That's what I said. Anyway, man, I'm just more disappointed we didn't get this information first. That's what I'm going to say. We should have had this information before anybody else, Mo. As far as Danny Hurley

going to the Lakers, I actually hope he doesn't. I hope he goes back in Connecticut like Leonardo DiCaprio when he said, I'm not leaving. Yeah. Wolf of Wall Street. I'm not leaving. I thought about it. I hope that's exactly

what he does, my personal opinion. But why do you hope that? I think he's a good college coach. I'm not saying he can't be a good NBA coach. And I'm not saying he hasn't. No, he goes from high school to mid-level college to rebuilding UConn. And maybe he's climbing a ladder that he wants to be, but some people have the perfect personality and perfect situation.

I think he has both the best personality for UConn and their winners, and they're saying they have the best chance to three-peat. And if he three-peat on a college level. Right. So at the end of the day, I know you'll make more money. I know you're going to sit there and say, I'll try the NBA. Because one thing about it, let's say it doesn't work out with the Lakers in a couple years.

It isn't like he may not be able to go back to UConn, but he'll be able to get a job somewhere. Somebody would definitely fucking hire him. It ain't like he's going to be unemployed. So I wouldn't be mad if he took the opportunity, but he's an East Coast nigga. You know, Jersey City, Connecticut's not far from what I've been hearing.

His family's still in Jersey. They go to the games in Connecticut. This would be a big move for them. And maybe he's ready to do that. I don't know where he's at in his life personally, but me personally, I would like to see him stay and continue what they got going on in Connecticut. But opportunities like this don't come along every day.

And the Coastal Lakers and LeBron James are a big deal. I feel sorry for J.J. Reddick because I know J.J. J.J. doing them X's and O's on the podcast. He thought this shit was locked in. And now he gets bombarded with this news. I know that nigga's like, I thought the, yo, Braun. Braun ain't, Braun's son niggas the voicemail. Nigga said, I thought this, I thought, I thought we, I thought we had a camaraderie.

I thought shit was going on. I thought, nah, nigga, Rob Palenka on some sucker shit. That ain't even me. You know, Rob, that, Rob Palenka on some sucker shit. That ain't even me. You know, Rob, that's Rob. I ain't got nothing to do with that. That's Rob and Jeannie and Kurt Rambis and them. That's that sucker shit. That's my opinion.

Because, listen, I'm not saying that LeBron has anything to do with this, but I know he was asked about it. Whether he has the final decision or not, I would say no, but I know he was asked about it. Whether he has the final decision or not, I would say no, but I know he was asked about it. And I don't see him being against it. Look, he has a meeting with, and I'm talking about Danny Hurley, this morning with the Lakers, and we'll see what happens from there. But I would say if I had to guess, LeBron gave his two cents and was like,

yeah, I ain't really feeling homeboy. I'm making it look good for the pod and all that, but I ain't really my cup of tea. I ain't like his answer. Yeah, I ain't really feeling his energy like that, but put it on y'all so we can keep the pod going and all that. J.J. Reddick ain't going to go for that. What are you going to do? He went out of the podcast

yeah my boy jj ain't going for that i actually still kind of feel the opposite i still kind of feel like it's a ploy i feel like people were like okay this looks too calculated let's just throw somebody else in the running obviously dan hurley is more than qualified to be the coach, but I still think it's one of those things. Because even recently in an interview, JJ Redick was, people were asking him about, you know, him being in the running. And he was just like, look, all I'm worried about is announcing the NBA finals right now. I'm taking it one day at a time. Like that was his type of answer. So I just feel like, okay, let's let him focus on the finals. We're going to have somebody else in for an interview, but I still kind of feel like that's kind of the setup for that.

But before we go to break, basically my last question surrounding this topic is, who do you guys think would be the better fit for the Lakers head coaching position, J.J. Redick or Dan Hurley? You know what Mo's going to say. Go ahead, Mo, you first. Pause. Yeah, but I can give, I want to joke right here, right? When I sat there and seen JJ Redick do the podcast with LeBron,

it looked like somebody who looked at somebody else like their peer more than somebody that they should have authority over. And I don't know if everybody's seen it. I'm pretty sure if they've done it, it doesn't look like a podcast. It looks more of like a continuous interview and admiration for LeBron. And I just don't think that you can lead people or get the respect from others if you can't do that. Now, with Danny Hurley, he's an old-school basketball coach.

And with LeBron being a historian and a guy who respects the game, I think that there will be like a natural reverence. And I think like Dan Hurley's demeanor will allow LeBron. I don't say, I don't want to say let him lead him, but he will, he will allow Dan Hurley the space to do himself. So that's why I would say Dan Hurley and not JJ Redick. I just don't think that he just has the authority over somebody like LeBron. Maybe if those other guys were on the team, LeBron wasn't there.

Maybe J.J. Reddick may be the guy. But for this one, Dan Hurley, just from the age dynamic. Yeah. Before this, I was really hoping that J.J. Reddick do get the job. But now when I think about another white boy, this is another qualified white boy that could really do the job. And I think, Paws, when it comes down to it, like you said, he'll garner more respect from LeBron,

but he'll also be able to make those other players better. This is probably the way they transition the team out of LeBron's hand to AD and to whoever they're going to pick up in the offseason. I think that's truly what this is about and bringing in Danny Hurley because any other coach is going to keep it still about LeBron. You can almost guarantee that Danny Hurley won't do that. I mean, just knowing the basketball purist that he is. But to LeBron's credit, to be honest with you, he said this verbally, vocally, that they need to think about coaching beyond him being there and worrying about what AD wants to do.

Because he may be there another one or two years, he said. The coach that they'll hire now, I would love to get along with him and have a great relationship with him. But y'all need to worry about a long-term coach for the next decade or so. And that's what they should focus on. He actually said that that's dope and then maurice did you have another point or yeah uh i was gonna say like one thing that he's uh and this is in football too but when i think about dan hurley one thing that uh i think that

will impact him or any other coach every college coach when they try to go from the collegiate ranks to the professional ranks, they don't have the same authority over guys who make more money than them or just are rich in general. You know what I'm saying? And I asked myself, I said, you know, when he's at the collegiate level, he has all of the authority over the college kids

and he makes them play as hard as he wants to. He can be as intense as he wants to. And those guys sort of follow suit. And i wonder if he can be the same guy in a professional locker room when you have guys who you know make 60 70 80 million dollars a year and uh i just i think about that a little bit too i wonder if that goes into his decision making on do i want to sign up for all of these divas when i'm just an old school basketball coach who just enjoys the game well um Rick Pitino did a great job at it um Brad Stevens not so much but I mean he did good but but not as well as Rick Pitino did um and who else did that? What did Rick Pitino do? When he was coaching Boston.

How far did they go? I'm just asking. I don't remember. No, they didn't go that far, but he cultivated a lot of new talent. Did Brad Stevens go further than him? Yeah. So how Brad Stevens didn't do that good, but Rick Pitino did? Because he developed better talent.

We got Paul Pierce. We got Anton Walker. A lot of good players came out of that. Brad Stevens got niggas in the chip right now with the talent he developed. You want to say that's his talent? He was coaching them this whole time. He just started being the GM two years ago. Rob Markman Just saying.

Rob Markman Brad Stevens. Let's go back. Let's go back. Rob Markman Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Rob Markman Yeah, let's go back. Because I don't think, I think when Hayward was there, who was coaching when Hayward was

there? Brad Stevens? Rob Markman Maybe. Let's stop. Let's move on. Who was coaching when Hayward was there? Brad Stevens? Maybe. Let's step. Yeah, they had to get Brad Stevens out of there for Jalen Brown and them to start playing as good. No, no, no, no, no. Jalen Brown was not playing as good with Brad Stevens.

Bro, them niggas was good, man. Oh, no, no. Keep the quote that I just said. Okay. Jalen Brown was not playing that good with Brad Stevens. How he going to be playing that good if he was only in the league like two years? It's like his sixth year. Of course he's playing much better.

He ain't coming like LeBron, nigga. Well. So keep this quote. So the comment is about Rick Pitino. Rick Pitino came in and got Paul Pierce. Paul's jumping from the jump. Jumping from the... Let's do the homework on this.

Yeah, yeah. Let's do the homework. You do the homework. I already know. All's do the back work. You do the homework. I already know. All right. What year was this? You already do. You do the homework.

I already know. What year was this? Guys, since you don't want to listen to the expert, go ahead. Go ahead. Exactly. That's what we're going to do. This is what I got to do right now, you know? I want to make sure Rick Pitino, let me do my own homework.

Let me do it right now. I'm not even going to wait for stats. Rick Pitino might not even have been coaching that team. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. You're just saying anything. Now that you see I'm going to do the homework, now he might not have been coaching that team.

Nigga tried to hit me with the 52. Yeah, I ain't waiting on stats. Yeah. Let's see. 97 to 2001. Paul Pierce came in 1996, I believe. No, he came in 98. Paul Pierce.

Nah, murder. Come on, murder. He tried to catch me, man. He thought. He tried to catch me man. He thought you had one too man. He thought you had one man. I knew it man. Who was his coach? Who was his coach?

Who? Who was Paul Pierce's coach? No, when he first got there that was his coach but... Who was his coach? No, Rick Pitino. Alright, and I rest my case. No, no, no, no, no. That wasn't the case. The case said you got him to that nigga.

I said when he came in, he got him jumping from the jump. Ain't that what I said? Nah, man. Come on, Nick. Pull the tape back. Pull the tape back. You know, Killer... I said he developed better talent, right? He said, Killer said he developed better talent, right?

Killer said who went further, though. No disrespect, Paul Pierce got stabbed up his first year. He couldn't even really play the first year like that. So if you want to be technical, I didn't want to get into all that. I didn't want to get into all the off-the-court shit that was going on. He didn't get stabbed up? Killer, you wild. I ain't.

It's a fact. You got to step. Who else was it? McCarty. It was a lot of talent that he developed. Huh? Huh? When they won.

Yeah, when they won. I said develop the talent. Keep my words correct. Keep my words correct now, PT. I know you did set for life. Who else? Who else? Who else? Who else was on that team?

It was Paul Pierce, Anton Walker, McCarty. Remember, he came from Kentucky and brought a lot of the dudes from Kentucky with him. Okay. And they did well. That's what we're talking about. Tony Delk. I mean. I got about Tony Delk. I just like Tony Delk.

Come on, Kelly. You know you talking to the Soros, man. Nah, I don't know about that. It ain't nothing I don't know now, champ. Excuse me. Go ahead, save him. Save him? Yeah.

Well, yeah, the players you named for Kentucky, Tony Delk, Antoine Walker, but I'm just confused on the point you're trying to make. Me too. That's why I'm like, you're like searching. I'm like, what are we? I was talking about when we started, the origin of the conversation was about when we was talking about the Lakers and about Danny Hurley will be better to develop the talent moving forward.

So then I said, like Rick Pitino did in Boston. So then he said, but they won more with Brad Stevenson. That wasn't my point. My point was that if they're going in a new direction, developing new talent, he would be the person for it. Rob Markman, So he developed Kenny Anderson. Rob Markman, That came. Rob Markman, He developed Antron Walker, Ron Mercer, Bruce Bowen, Tony Battle, Walter

McCarty. Rob Markman, That's a lot of good talent. Rob Markman That sounds like some bullshit, murder. You name two niggas, that was all right. I'm naming them. Kenny Anderson, he didn't develop Kenny Anderson. I didn't even know Kenny Anderson was on there. Rob Markman No, Kenny Anderson didn't do well.

He was one of the five that didn't do well. Rob Markman Can't develop them then. Rob Markman Who is Brooklyn? Rob Markman You develop two niggas you talking about. Give you Ron Mercer and I'm going to give you Paul Pierce. I'm not going away. I'm going to see what year Antoine Walker came in the league. What year did he get in the league?

Antoine got a hermit killer. I don't know. That's my nigga. But that's the point. Is he helping niggas? Or was he coaching niggas who's already developed? That's the point. The word developed.

He developed them. That was a good nucleus of team. A good nucleus of team. Yeah. What are you talking about, bro? All right, Stan, let's go. Are we going to act like Anton Walker and Paul Pierce wasn't a tantrum in the league? No, they was not good enough, but they was pretty good.

But they're not. You're talking about develop. When you say develop, that means you're taking somebody who's probably younger and making them into a better player. Yeah. And what I'm saying is what year did Antoine Walker come in the league? That's the question I'm asking. 96.

96. A year before that. 96. 96. So I'm going to give you Antoine Walker, Ron Mercer, and Paul Pierce. Yeah. I agree before that. 96. So, I'm going to give you Antoine Worker, and Braun Mercer, and Paul Pierce. I agree with that. All these other niggas, Kenny Anderson, and everybody else done, they didn't look like they developed.

And now I want to know Rick Pitino's record that year, in 98. What was the Boston Celtics record? In fact, let's just Google Rick Pitino's record with the Boston Celtics record? As a matter of fact, let's just do Rick Pitino's record with the Boston Celtics period. Since we going to do this. No, I didn't say he'd win a championship. We know he didn't win a championship. We said develop the talent.

The record in 98 was 19 to 31. Horrible. But he developing. He was 102 and 146 overall. But he's developing. Yeah, I didn't say wins. I said developing a talent. 102. 102 and 146 don't sound good, Myrna.

That's why they got him out of there, man. But I digress. Yeah, I'm talking about Danny Hurley taking in young talent and making them better. Not winning a championship. That's not what I'm saying. If he goes 102 and 146, he'll be out of there too. He would.

Especially with the Lakers. But then when he leaves, they'll be like, there too. He would. Especially with the Lakers. But then when he leaves, they'll be like, but he developed them. That's what you're saying? I'm saying sometime like when certain players just like Wimby, they didn't score no points, but this was a development year for Wimby. They didn't care about the year. They want to make sure that he's great for the future, just like Paul Pierce, even though he was in all of that failure, he ended up taking that team to a lot of other great moments because they let him grow even at their point of losing. That's

development. You're saying when Paul Pierce came into the league, he got the same attention Wimby's gave? No, I'm saying when you're letting a player play, like let's say you go to a team. Killer goes to this team. This team is only winning 10 games, but we still letting them rock because he's going to turn this into a franchise, and we got to go through this year of him losing,

but he's getting better. No different than Ja did. No different than LeBron did his first year. He lost, but he didn't lose no more after that. And allowing him to grow, that's development. Like being patient while we're losing, but he's getting better game by game because he's the one we're building the whole franchise on. That's what I'm talking about.

I think that's the GM because if they kept it like that, they would say, Rick, we understand what's going on. Like Popovich is not going to get fired. Rick Pitino, you can't figure this out with Paul Pierce and these niggas, you're leaving. So I think it's the difference when it comes to coaches. Certain niggas are going to get fired. Certain niggas are just not going to get fired. Certain niggas are just not going to stay. No, Danny Hurley, if he does that, he will get fired as well, but he will develop the talent. Those two are both right. They're true.

Yeah, two things could be true. Okay, so we can always revisit this because I think it's great when y'all debate on different discussions. But in the comments, let us know who you guys think should be the Lakers next head coach. We're going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss the tank versus Frank Martin fight coming up next week.

Don't go anywhere. Can you tell us a little bit more about that? I mean, is there, I was selling crack on a private jet. I've been, I don't get the shot. Dip second tour.

Make sure you go on. Second tour. Dot. You.us to order some shirts and everything else, buddy. So I'm going to get some cheeks after this. I don't like niggas. What's wrong with me? I'm a high nigga, but this 44 turn the mic to Jordan. I'm looking safe. Take flight, nigga.

Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day. On Sunday is game two, Mavs versus Boston. Underdog fantasy has Luca at 31 and a half points. Do you have them higher or lower, Mace? Higher. Higher. Hey, Jason Tatum is at nine rebounds. Do you have them higher or lower, Cam hi hi hey jason tatum is at nine rebounds do you have them higher or lower cam lower lower hey and porzingis is at 14 and a half points do you have them higher or lower mace hi

how much 14 and a half low okay download the underdog fantasy app and you can make your picks too we are joined back with our analyst maurice clarette so before we get into the fight because i knew i said i was going to bring that up before break maurice brought up a great question that i definitely want to hear all of you guys's answers to so if these celtics end up winning is this joe mazula's win or joe win but i know udoka is probably sitting somewhere like man niggas ain't gonna give me a ring but she gonna get a ring so one time you gotta be on the same team and be on a different team because when you practice we practice against each other our whole career every day you still gotta practice even though we play the game together We practiced against each other our whole career. Every day.

We still got to practice even though we play the game together. Sometimes it's a little sparring. What I'll say is this. This is what pussy could cost you sometimes. You know, a championship or another trip to the finals. Then you got to go start off with some young niggas and rebuild it up. Ship you out the city you was already from. Now, I'm not saying Houston's a bad city to be in at all,

but y'all niggas didn't make the playoffs. This is kind of like a Mark Jackson, Steve Kerr situation. You got to be careful who you fuck, and then when you got a famous baby mother or wife or whatever y'all scenario is, and people love her, you're going to be a piece of shit, man. You are. Trust me, man. I'm telling you.

They take the female side whether you're right or not all the time. They always take the female side publicly. And you may not have done nothing wrong even though you did. Women stick together in this era. It don't matter. Rob Markman, What did he break the ethical? He broke the ethical code, right? Yeah, they basically.

For the Boston. Yeah, I mean, if you have sex with the president's wife, what's her penalty? Because she worked there too. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's more or so what I'm speaking to. Yeah, that's why I'm agreeing with you on like, yeah, what's her penalty? Because you're right. She going to get the ring.

I'm pretty sure he ain't leave her. We don't know the ins and outs, but I'm pretty sure he would have heard about it. Because rich people, I don't want to be racist, but certain races, they don't leave I'm out especially if I got the paper I'm out

you're out here wilding you're fucking the staff you just said that earlier now they build this corporation Scarface just said that you're fucking the help you just brought that up look a lot of niggas lost money messing with the help. You just brought that up. Yeah. Look, because now. A lot of niggas lost money messing with the help,

for real. Yeah, because you have to realize this. What happens is you can't be trusted. Yeah. Because now if I walk in a room and you giggling with niggas

and then you stop giggling when I walk in, what was so funny? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? All that start coming into play with, you know what I'm saying,

P? Like, now, who you talking to? You can't. Look, let me tell you something. When bitches do all this. Who the fuck is you grinning, texting like that? Everything becomes a problem.

Oh, that's cute. Once you cheat and get caught, you stay, everything's a problem. I'm telling you that right now. So, so listen, man.

It's a fact. Niggas don't like all that grinning and shit. And don't be laughing too loud at my friends' jokes. They not that funny. They not comedians. What you laughing too much at his jokes for?

I ain't with all that. If you got caught cheating, I'm not like that. But if you got, I'm like, I like everybody to be cool until you give me a reason not to trust none of y'all. And I never been in that position. Pause. But yeah, it's kind of a Mark Jackson, Steve Kerr situation.

I know he's probably upset about it. But he has another job and he has an up-and-coming team. But to see Boston back in the championship, it probably hurts. It probably hurts. And I've seen the way Houston finished their season. He was really upset about how they finished

because they had an opportunity. If you play Golden State towards the end of the season, I remember this game, and they could have got them into the playoffs and Golden State basically shut them down and wrapped their season up. And he basically kind of threw his team under the bus, not in a bad way, maybe motivational,

but he's like, I thought they was ready for the moment and they wasn't. Maybe it's me and my team he's like I thought they was ready for the moment and they wasn't you know maybe it's me and my team fault but they definitely wasn't ready for the moment and that's kind of a shot at the team and especially it makes you mad when you're in the NBA finals and now you're fighting to get into the plan so that's a good question that was crazy because when you think about it, if Udoka did this and got a job the very next year, Mark Jackson set this team up and they won championships and he didn't get a job the next year. Very good point.

Very good point. What the fuck, dude? And he ain't get caught fucking the president's wife. It was the president's wife? Somebody in the staff wife. Yeah, she's a team service manager and she still works there. So not the president's wife, but somebody in there. Yeah.

And he got a job. That was a great point. And then Maurice, your final thoughts before we go to the next question i don't really have any thoughts about it just went through my mind as i was uh watching it and i definitely thought about mark jackson and um you know i was thinking to myself like udoka has to be sitting here like man i all this up over some you know i mean just my little the giggling the hee hee ha ha of uh career yep that's what it is okay and then next saturday june 15th tank versus frank martin will take place at the mgm grand looking ahead to that fight who do you guys got? Maurice first. Yeah, I have Tank.

And I've seen a couple of their pre-press conference fights. And, you know, I go a lot of a mentality and just subtle looks that guys have towards each other. And I know, you know, intimidation and all of the buffoonery goes with it. But I really pay attention to like the nuance of words. I remember they were doing like a one-on-one interview on Gillian Wallow's show, and I just heard them talking to each other, and it seemed like, man, Frank Martin, he's trying to force himself to believe that he can kick Tank's ass, and when you look at it, he doesn't have

a history of knockouts. He has a history of unanimous decisions or technical knockouts, but he's not out there dropping guys, right? He's very skilled. I think he's a great fighter, but I think there's also an element, just like you're seeing with the Boston Celtics. When the lights are on, when it's a moment, and Tank has been in this moment a thousand times, 20, 30,

40,000 people who are this moment a thousand times, 20, 30, 40,000 people who all they're rooting for you. That can be a lot for somebody else who's not been in that situation. And I know everybody has to steal their moment and everybody has their initial moment when they make a name for themselves. But when I looked at the demeanor of it and Tank was talking to him, I think there was like a confidence in Tank, just like when we seen the Mike Tyson, when he was younger, they said, man, motherfucker, you can't beat me and uh i just i really believe that you know tank's gonna um be victorious next week um i'm i'm kind of i'm kind of like different and different about this this fight because uh i believe fight because I believe what everybody believe that Tank

is supposed to win this, but I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about this one. Rob Markman, Did you see the Adrian Bronner pre-fight, whatever it was, against the guy he's getting ready to fight. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I've seen it. And so when I looked at, you know they're in the same camp. And so when I just looked at where Adrian Bronner was at

and you all up under the same building right now, I may not agree with everything he was saying, and I do believe just that spirit, that dog spirit, that camp feeling is everywhere around them i've seen a guy who normally trains tank he was right up there with ab and so if this is any sort of like indicator of like what camp has been like they feel like motherfucker we're about to run through you and then you got your bro around you they got they reconnected they training hard i just feel like that that's the spirit of the camp that he's in, and that's going to be influential with how he looks at it.

You know how it is. Somebody can gas you up and be like, man, run through this little nigga. I just think that that's the spirit of what Tank got going on right now. That's just my thoughts on it. Yeah, I don't fucking know, man. I don't know Frank Martin like that. I expect Tank to win. When I get closer to the fight next week, I can give you my analysis on it.

I'll do some more homework and the due diligence on it. I ain't really pay attention. It's been entertaining to watch all the interviews and so on and so forth. Tank is very entertaining. He knows how to sell a fight. Homeboy is talking his shit back. Like you said, Mo, I looked at his record. It doesn't look like he be knocking a lot of niggas out.

But if he boxes, from what I heard, he's a good boxer. But the people that I talked to about this said he took this fight a little too early. They say he should have waited a year or so to take this fight from what I've been hearing. But I'll do some more homework on it, and we'll talk about it again before the fight comes up. Yeah, it should be fight comes up. Yeah. It should be like five rounds. Okay.

In the comments, let us know who you guys have, but Maurice, thank you for being here. Mo Laker, Celtic, Yukon, Ohio state. Appreciate you, man. All right. Later on man Love Okay

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