IT IS WHAT IT IS - PUT SOME RESPECT ON JALEN HURTS' NAME & ALEX SMITH JUST HATIN' ON THE GOAT | IIWII EP#55

Episode Date: November 28, 2023

Cam'ron, Ma$e & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson and THE JUICE O.J Simpson kick us off for Ep 55 of “It Is What It is” Season 2! ***NEW MERCH** Shop the Come And Talk 2 Me Store....https://comeandtalk2...me.com  Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Support the show and sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code CAM and get a $100 first deposit match, and a Special Pick'em pick. Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome back to It Is What It Is. This episode is sponsored by Underdog Fantasy. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states, including California, Florida, Texas, and New York, just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog Fantasy app. It will also match your first deposit up to $100100 and you get a special pick when you sign up. Of course, I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your hosts, Mace and Cam.
Starting point is 00:00:50 What's up, killer? How you doing, man? You all right? Doing great. You good? Good. What you got that face on for? Ohio State, you know? Yeah, I ain't gonna lie, man.
Starting point is 00:01:03 Ohio let me down all fucking weekend, man. You know? I'ma stop being a homer and say what's right. You know? They let me down, man. But I guess with Maurice coming, he have a better explanation. Yeah, I'ma save my conversation for Maurice.
Starting point is 00:01:19 All right. Plus, they been snitching on me and all, calling you with information, with lyrics and everything. It's crazy. You got more lyrics? Because I got some. I got a couple. I got something that's going to beat all that.
Starting point is 00:01:37 They sent me in. They said they need answers. Want me to go first? Good. The people want to know. The people want to know, in 50 Cent's video, Window Shopping, what was your role exactly in that? What was my role? He took you shopping.
Starting point is 00:02:12 They said he scooped you and took you shopping in the video. That's what they told me. I didn't see the video in a while. He said, I don't know. I'm just I'm going to let you win. I'll show you the DM. I know he wasn't.
Starting point is 00:02:31 I know that nigga Don Q. This wasn't Don Q. This was my man Pop Vasquez from the Bronx. Pop. Oh, he's from the Bronx. Definitely from the Bronx. Pop said, he said, well, I asked him what's going on in this video.
Starting point is 00:02:49 He said, because he looked like he got, I actually haven't seen the video in years. So what you trying to say? It looks like he's trying to take a shot. Um, maybe. Oh, nigga, scoop murder. That's crazy, man. Boys, man. Oh, man. Popga, scoop murder. That's crazy, man. Boys, man. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:03:07 Pop, Vasquez, his name, they blocked his page. You can see for obvious reasons. Dope sell his self-clothing. I asked the question. I don't know what response we got from it. But I asked, I know you're going to come back tomorrow, Vicious,
Starting point is 00:03:22 and I know y'all suck-ass niggas is going to call him. It was way more shit. I already know. But I asked the guy. I know you're going to come back tomorrow, Vicious. And I know y'all suck-ass niggas is going to call him. Way more shit. I already know. But I asked him. Stat must have seen it recently because Stat doesn't watch a lot of old shit. You know, she has a. I know.
Starting point is 00:03:35 I got tagged in it, too. Oh, yeah. Some old shit niggas is tagging. Oh, that's what happened, nigga. Y'all some vicious world out there. Y'all know whose side y'all on, man. But I asked the question. I don't know if you guys went shopping or not.
Starting point is 00:03:49 This is all pure hate because all my team's lost over the weekend. So I'm mad. I am not going to lie. I'm mad about it. Definitely. Yeah. And today we are joined with our football analyst, OJ. Juice. What's up, man? Hey, guys. You look like you were having a lot of fun. are joined with our football analyst, OJ. Juice!
Starting point is 00:04:06 What's up, man? Hey, guys. You look like you were having a lot of fun. I couldn't hear any of it. Okay. How you doing, man? How was your Thanksgiving? I'm hanging in there, buddy. I am hanging in there. It was a tough weekend, you know, watching my Bills and my Niners were good, but
Starting point is 00:04:22 it was a good weekend of football. Some great college football. How was your Thanksgiving and your holidays? It was great. I had a lot of relatives in town. I made food here. Well, I didn't make it. My niece made it.
Starting point is 00:04:38 But we actually went to two friends' house to two different dinners. But I figured I need to have leftovers at my house so we cooked some at my house you know because we had a honey baked ham I always like to promote it because I used to own all the honey baked hams in LA County back in the day. What do you mean you own all the honey baked hams in LA County could you be more specific on that what do you mean you own all the Honeybake hams in L.A. County? Could you be more specific on that? What do you mean? Well, you know, Honeybake didn't really give franchises out. It was a huntsman family, but there was a guy that worked for them in promotion,
Starting point is 00:05:16 and they brought one of their, I don't know, nephews or someone in the business, and the two of them couldn't get along. So they told him he could get a franchise, but he had to open up at least three of them in L.A. County where we ended up opening nine. He needed somebody with money to back him. And he had heard once that I was trying to get a franchise. So we went into partnership.
Starting point is 00:05:44 I put up the money. Interesting thing into partnership. I put up the money. Interesting thing, though. I put up the money for the first one. Never had to put up another dime. It made enough that each one we opened, we made enough to open another one and another one and another one. At one point, we had nine of them.
Starting point is 00:06:00 Niggas talk about which, OJ, you was doing that Shaq shit before Shaq. You've been getting this money a long motherfucking time and you and you always try to be very smooth the way you slide it
Starting point is 00:06:10 well well you know how's your Thanksgiving well it was cool we had honey baked ham you know I always promote that
Starting point is 00:06:17 why you promote it because I owned all of them in southern LA because because you know we franchised and flipped the franchises and that's how we did it. Now, let me ask you this real quick and not taking away from your stats because each week we learn something new about you.
Starting point is 00:06:36 Are you a gold medalist, bronze, silver medalist? What exactly in the Olympics did you do? What exactly in the Olympics did you do? I didn't run. The problem was the Olympics was in September in Mexico City. I had come to SC on a football scholarship. We had won the national championship the year before. And obviously, we were in the running this year. And I was a leading candidate for the Heisman.
Starting point is 00:07:08 So it was a case of I had to play football. So while guys, some guys who I had actually beaten in the 100 meter and stuff were all at the Olympics, I was playing football at UFC. Reason I'm asking this question, what's the subliminal with the shirt? Why are you wearing the shirt today? What is this USA about? What are you trying to prove?
Starting point is 00:07:28 No, I'm not trying to prove anything. Okay, okay, just making sure. We got American soldiers getting shot in northern Israel. We got soldiers still getting, some of them getting shot at in Eastern Europe. So it's just a USA thing. I respect that. And I support all our soldiers fighting the fight.
Starting point is 00:07:51 We're definitely with you over there. Last question before we get into some sports unless Mace has some questions. No problem. What size wine glass is that? You know. To be honest, it's not a wine glass is that? Like, you know. No, it's actually, to be honest, it's not a wine glass, to be honest.
Starting point is 00:08:09 And it's not wine. What is it? It's blueberry juice. Blueberry juice is very healthy for you. I, oh, you think that's blueberry. Yeah, blueberry wine. Blueberry juice. You got to be on semi-health care care. Okayberry juice.
Starting point is 00:08:28 You got to be on semi-health kick here. Okay, cool. Blueberry's a really good thing. What does it do, O? It helps your blood, you know. It helps, you know, I've been dealing with some health issues lately, and so I'm trying to be on a completely
Starting point is 00:08:43 health kick. So I take my vitamins, I drink my to be on a completely, um, a health kit. So I take my vitamins. I drink my blueberry juice and, uh, you know, try to keep it going. Good. Drinking your blueberry juice in style. Stay healthy. Oh, we need you here, baby. So, you know, we got to start with the bills. The Eagles beat the bills 37 to 34 in overtime.
Starting point is 00:09:05 Do you think the Eagles are the luckiest team in the league or do you think they're really that good? OJ, your thoughts? Well, I believe that great teams, and I mean teams that are great, find a way to win. Even when they get outplayed, they find a way to win. That's what the Eagles have been doing all year this year. They found a way to win.
Starting point is 00:09:32 I've saw Josh play a great game. I mean, an incredible game. And what's interesting, if you look at Josh's record going back to that Super Bowl, the last time he has the ball, he always put the Bills in the lead. Problem is, there's time left for the other team when they get the ball. And, of course, it was Patrick Mahomes. And this time it's Hurts. And, you know, I wasn't happy with – I thought the Bills was playing a version
Starting point is 00:10:02 of like – you remember in the old days when we used to say they play prevent defense and all it does is prevent you from winning? Well, it seems like, you know, when they had like third and four, the Bills' defense backs were playing 12 yards off the ball, you know? So, I mean, if I had to be a little critical, I would be a little critical of that. But Hurts, man, I'm telling you, Jalen, he's a winner. And he marched him right down the field, much like Patrick did in that Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:10:35 Now, you do know, and I've said this, that the Bills have lost their two best defensive players, all-pro Milano, middlebacker, all pro Ladarius White, cornerback. Those are two of the most important positions on the defense. And when you lose two pro bowlers, your best two defensive players, it's going to hurt you down the line, especially when you're playing against a team like, I guess they got to play the 49ers coming up, Dallas coming up.
Starting point is 00:11:05 And, of course, we saw what happened this week against Philly. That's what I felt was going to hurt the Bills the rest of the way. Getting rid of that Ken Dorsey, the offensive coordinator, was the best thing they did. Since he's been gone, at least they're scoring 30 points again a game. And the offense looked a lot different but the defense unfortunately um it was a less than two minutes in the game and they couldn't couldn't hold them i thought they'd at least hold them to a field goal you know and we stay in overtime but
Starting point is 00:11:39 uh the boy took off hurts is he's a winnerts is a winner. And because of how they win, no matter what's going on with them, I think this week they're the best team in football. Oh, my God. I knew it. He was laughing before he even said it. I knew it. I already knew it was coming, man. Did you think that the Bills
Starting point is 00:12:10 would be right here at this point in the season? When the season first started, did you think they would ever be 6-6? Never, never. I looked at that team. I saw them run through Miami in the beginning.
Starting point is 00:12:25 I was at the game in the beginning of the season. Their defense just dominated Miami. And as I told you, you know, you win championships with defense. You sell tickets with offense, and you win championships with defense. And when they lost those two key players, then I would have said, I, I still, I wouldn't have expected them to lose to Denver. I don't know if I expected them to win this game. I probably didn't expect them to win this game.
Starting point is 00:12:57 I was surprised they played so well on offense. But as I said, since they got rid of that Dorsey guy as offensive coordinator, their offense looks great. But, you know, he got him a lead the last two or three times he had the ball. When he walked off the field, the Bills were leading. The defense just could not, you know, hold Hertz and that crew. And that's an incredible crew, you know, with Brown and with Smith, receivers, Swift running the ball. They're tough. Yeah, I actually was watching the game.
Starting point is 00:13:32 I actually thought they were going to win that game. But as I saw them running towards the end zone, I was really like, this is heartbreaking for the Bills, especially as well as they played, especially when the quarterback think he played hurts, outplayed hurts so well. And to lose this way is heartbreaking. Yeah, it was heartbreaking. I got to admit, I was hurt.
Starting point is 00:13:59 Because this was a game they were supposed to win. I mean, if you're looking at the game. I'm trying to figure. I think there were three-point dogs. I'm not to figure. I think there were three-point dogs. I'm not sure. But I thought there were three-point dogs going into the game, underdogs. But I could be wrong about that. Oh, no, I'm not talking about the spread, Paul.
Starting point is 00:14:14 I'm talking about when you're looking at that game in overtime, you're actually probably thinking that Bills is about to pull this upset. Well, the worst part was the last play to bills ran. Yeah. And Davis turned outside instead of inside. Now I thought, well, that was just, you know, both of them seeing it differently. But when I heard Davis and Orlovsky them on TV today,
Starting point is 00:14:42 they spoke about it from a defensive point of view and a quarterback's point of view. And they said if they're in a zero coverage like that, he should have went inside. So two guys who are basically, you know, as knowledgeable as anybody. One, probably a defensive hall of fame. And Orlovsky, who I listen to because I think he really understands the game of football and communicates it well. They both agreed that with the zero coverage, there's no safety in the middle.
Starting point is 00:15:15 He should have gone to the middle. But, you know, I ain't going to blame him. You watch them niggas all you want. No, I don't watch them niggas. I watch the game. I don't need their opinion. What happened is this. With that last play that you guys for Buffalo is, look,
Starting point is 00:15:29 he got to know the smoke is coming. Like, the blitz was coming. As a receiver, you got to look back. If your quarterback's going to be under pressure, it's up to you. Sometimes it may not be the exact route that you're going to run, but you got man-to-man coverage, and niggas is coming in the blitz. Your quarterback going to let it go. You got to look at the ball.
Starting point is 00:15:48 You got to pay attention. That nigga was running a route and not paying attention to the smoke coming towards his quarterback. So listen, as far as Buffalo is concerned, look, this has been going on since the 90s. Y'all, one big disappointment after disappointment after disappointment. Y'all, we think you're going to go do good.
Starting point is 00:16:04 Patrick Mahomes, fuck you up. Jim Kelly and y'all boys back to back to back. Super Bowl's not saying it's easy to get to the Super Bowl. We know that from OJ because he's never been to the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:16:13 So we know at the end of the day how good OJ is. And he's not, no shade or nothing. I'm just saying, you was probably the best, you know, from the knowledge
Starting point is 00:16:21 and due diligence I've done, you was the best player for a decade. I'm talking about in the NFL. I'm like, not even a question. They say, I've done, you was the best player for a decade. I'm talking about in the NFL. I'm like, not even a question. They say, I did homework on you, and they said that you were the best player in the 70s. Like, I don't even know how that worked.
Starting point is 00:16:34 Like, I'd be like, oh, no, from 2003 to 2006, it was cold. Like, they said you were the best player in the 70s, period. So I'm just saying, as far as the disappointment with having the best football player in the 70s, and then I can't really count on what happened in the 70s, period. So I'm just saying, as far as the disappointment with having the best football player in the 70s, and then I can't really count on what happened in the 80s. Then in the 90s, you go to four straight Super Bowls, don't win anything. Josh Allen comes along, it looks like hope.
Starting point is 00:16:55 Then you got somebody who just is better than him in Patrick Mahomes. And then games like last night show me exactly the disappointment on how close Buffalo is always there. I have some promise. And it's always ending in bad luck for Buffalo fans. On the other side of the coin,
Starting point is 00:17:14 we got to start putting some respect on Jalen Hurts' name, bro. Like, we got to stop naming all these quarterbacks and not putting his name in the list of these quarterbacks. His last 17 games, he's 17 and pardon me, 16 and one. His last 29 games, he's 27 and two. This season, he has four game winning drives. You know what I'm saying? He has the second best percentage in comebacks when trailing by 10 points, only trailing Patrick Mahomes. We have to start mentioning his name when we name these quarterbacks, when we name the Tua's and the Mahomes' and the Josh Allen's and Joe Burrow's.
Starting point is 00:18:01 We have to start putting some respect on his name. As good as Philly is as a team, you have to put some respect on Jalen Hurst's name. So at the end of the day, as much as we want to blame Buffalo and say, oh, Buffalo didn't do this or Buffalo didn't do that, we have to look at what Philly and Jalen Hurst did. So I just want to say salute to Philly. Jalen Hurst is always good to laugh at Buffalo or OJ when he comes up here
Starting point is 00:18:26 because OJ is really so very much disappointed. But we have to stop ignoring what Jalen Hurts is doing right now. Well, I thought I made it clear that I thought they're the best team. Today. I thought I made that clear.
Starting point is 00:18:42 Today. Listen, man. No, what I'm saying is this. It's obviously obvious that, you know, and not just standings-wise that Philly is the best team, but we always say Philly's good. Philly's 9-0. Philly's 8-0.
Starting point is 00:19:00 Philly's 10-1. Philly's, even last year, I think they won 12 games, and they didn't lose their first game until Jalen Hurts got hurt. We constantly give San Phillies really good, and then we don't mention how good Jalen Hurts is leading the way. We take it as Philly as a whole, and we don't give him the flowers. He's figuratively speaking that he deserves for leading in this team to where they're at.
Starting point is 00:19:30 You know, it was a play last Sunday night, pardon me, and he threw it in double coverage. Put it right in the guy's hands, man. Right in the end zone, right before the half, I believe. Much like that Alabama throw. Right, but it went right in his guy. He didn't have to jump high for it right through it. Look, that was a great pass.
Starting point is 00:19:50 So I really want to don't put the focus on the Bills losing and more on Philadelphia winning. But we had this conversation over the weekend. Oh, and I'll ask you as well. Because Mace asked me, and Stat really asked the question, and Mace answered it from a franchise, not a franchise point of view, from the team moving forward point of view. But I kind of narrowed it down, and I'll ask you this question. And I'll give you my answer before I ask you.
Starting point is 00:20:23 If Buffalo lost this game this weekend, would they be out of it for the rest of the year? What I said was, no, I don't think they're going to be out of it the rest of the year, even if they lose this game, because all they need to do is sneak into a wild card spot, and we still have plenty of football left, and they have playoff experience. So I'm not going to say that their season is over,
Starting point is 00:20:47 but a couple more of these, and look, we running out of weeks, man, and I really would like to see Buffalo, as much as I talk shit about them and all that, I like their team. I like Josh Allen. I like Diggs. I like what they got going on. You know, Vaughn Miller's the homie. Listen, I would really love to see Buffalo in the playoffs,
Starting point is 00:21:04 so I'm not going to wipe them out because I think they have playoff experience that other teams that get to the playoffs may not. But we got to fix this. We got about five, six weeks to clean this thing up, man. Well, it's uphill. They got the 49ers, and they got the Cowboys to go through. So it's going to be an uphill battle. I'm not really worried about the Cowboys, but go ahead.
Starting point is 00:21:25 I think everybody said that Jalen outplayed Mahomes in the Super Bowl last year. And in my opinion, Jalen's the MVP this year. But as long as you get games like their Kansas City game, when the boy dropped a
Starting point is 00:21:41 sure touchdown at the end of the game, then after that, even the tight end dropped a couple of tight ends. I mean, passes that were key first downs. See, that kind of stuff happens and people think they're lucky, but they're not lucky. They make their own luck. You know, the harder you work, the luckier you get. And I don't think anybody works harder than Jalen Hurts.
Starting point is 00:22:03 So to answer the question, though, do you think that they're going to make the playoffs or is it over for them this season, the Buffalo Bills? I wouldn't say it's over because I like the way their offensive team played the last two games. But I think it's decidedly uphill. The 49ers will probably be favorite in that game. And I don't think
Starting point is 00:22:25 Dallas will be favorite, but Dallas is playing some good football right now. But they're going to have to win. I don't know if they got five games left or something, but they're going to have to win like four of them games. Let me ask Mace, what do you think I have to see in the game this
Starting point is 00:22:41 weekend as far as Buffalo's season? I don't think this season is over for them because they played so well. But then again, it can be kind of catastrophic when you play your absolute best and lose. I think that's a mental thing. But I will stand on what I said. If they do not win, if they do not win this year It's going to be It's going to be over for that
Starting point is 00:23:06 I don't see them getting better Than what they are right now There's nobody else You should have to add to that team Looking at their roster To win games When you think of Vaughn Miller You're talking about Josh Allen
Starting point is 00:23:21 You're talking about Diggs Diggs actually had a good game. So when you got all these people playing well and you're still losing, that's why they fired the other guy. Yeah, and not only that, they got to get a little bit better running game identity as well. Like Josh Allen was the lead in Russia as well. They're running the ball better.
Starting point is 00:23:44 They're running. We ran 38 times last week. Something that would have never happened with that other offensive coordinator. And they ran in this game not as much as they did the previous game. But I've been bitching for two years. Run the ball. Everyone said
Starting point is 00:23:59 they had no running backs. But we see what Singletary is doing at Houston. So they do have running backs. They had running backs. I used to say you got running backs. But we see what Singletary is doing at Houston. You know, so they do have running backs. They had running backs. I used to say you got running backs. Yesterday, they would not, they wasn't existing. You know, the longest on the average was 3.3 yards. And, you know, Cook, he got 16 carries for only 43 yards.
Starting point is 00:24:22 Like I said, Josh Allen, I know one of them runs was about 35, 40 yards, I remember, but it's not going to work. And like I said, they were right there, still could have won, but we can't have Josh Allen leading the team in rushing yards.
Starting point is 00:24:39 I just want to put this on the record real quick, and I wish I could roll the tape because earlier on when we started this and we were talking about top quarterbacks, I did say that Jalen Hurts should be up there, and everybody acted like I was bugging.
Starting point is 00:24:53 No, the only reason is stat. I'm not saying you didn't, but stat. You be thinking people cute and all that. That's not why I chose Jalen Hurts. We can't really be taking it into consideration and all that shit. That's not even why I chose him. When any girl says they going with Jalen Hurst, they like him. No.
Starting point is 00:25:10 Girls like him. Gabrielle Union disrespected to me. Dwayne Wade was like, that man is sexy as hell. That was wild disrespectful. So when girls say anything about Jalen Hurst, no disrespect. I know you know your sports. You on top of it. You help us out a lot
Starting point is 00:25:25 but I can't take any girl seriously that's talking about Jalen Hurts is one of them dudes I just can't girls like him too much and listen
Starting point is 00:25:33 pause if that's what I don't know you like him you like him but I'm just telling you so you're not cute pause
Starting point is 00:25:39 to you oh Jalen Hurts is attractive but that's not the reason why I said that he should be in the top conversation like I think he shows it on the field but that's not the reason why I said that he should be in the top conversation. Like, I think he shows it on the field,
Starting point is 00:25:47 and that's why now we're talking about it. But it had to be because I thought he looked good. That's not even what I took into account for anything. Tell us before the season what you took into account. The way he's been playing in his season last year. What do you mean? What was he doing exactly? Give me some numbers or something.
Starting point is 00:26:04 I don't have exact numbers but his passing has been great like yes he has a great team but he's a good leader like that's what you want to see in a quarterback and i say this every single time like he's taking ownership for a team yes they have a lot of skills that you would expect any other team to have but he's shown us that he can lead the eagles to. What do you mean by take ownership? Yes, he makes mistakes. Yes, he's made interceptions a lot throughout this season, but even at the end of the day, Jalen Hurts, like
Starting point is 00:26:31 OJ said, is going to win. And that's what he's shown us through and through different games. What do you mean by leadership? Like he's been a good leader for his team. According to the scores, according to why the Eagles keep continuously winning. What makes him a good leader? No, that makes him a good leader
Starting point is 00:26:46 because he's leading his team to victory. So let me ask you this, to chime in, Mace, because I want to ask you this. Steph Curry is dynamic. You think he's the leader of the Golden State Warriors or Draymond Green?
Starting point is 00:26:59 I still think Curry's the leader. What has he done to show you that he leads them besides being a great player? Well, I would also just take into account his composure. Like, even when he's in situations... No, like, and that's not a distant Draymond. Like, I think Draymond's
Starting point is 00:27:14 a great player, but, like, I think that shows leadership. What's the qualities of a leader? Yeah, that's a good question. The qualities of a leader that is, even when you're at your breaking point or you feel like you're going to lose, you keep a good composure and still play well. I think that's a good leader. You can't act on emotions.
Starting point is 00:27:31 You cannot act on emotions. Is that a leadership when he throws his mouth? That's him riding for his team, but I'm not going to call that leadership. There's different aspects to it. But I've been saying this about Jalen Hurts for a minute now. I just had to put that on the record because, yeah. And as far as the Bills, OJ, I know that's
Starting point is 00:27:49 your team. Oh, wait. What'd you say? You're right. Because he's a leader because all the other guys on that team look to him when things are going bad. And he gets it done every single time. Just like Curry, they know he's going to hit that three. They know this guy is going he's going to hit that three.
Starting point is 00:28:06 They know this guy is going to do something good to help them. Teammates all look at him as their team leader. Stat don't got no granddaddy issues, bro. Is she good? She all right, bro. Is she good?
Starting point is 00:28:22 No, me and OJ, for one time, OJ would have been like, you were right. That was gotta be something else. Thank you, OJ. Thank you. She aight, bro. I just had to put that on the record. She aight, bro. And I appreciate you supporting me, but to the bill.
Starting point is 00:28:35 Oh, we don't support you? No, no, no. No, no, no. No support. That's not what I said. I'm supporting my take. It's okay if we disagree. We always all disagree on different things.
Starting point is 00:28:45 No, that's a fact. That's why we act. Those supporters crazy. That's not what I'm saying. I have the utmost support. I'm just going to say real quick, though. OJ, no offense to your bills. I've lost hope in them.
Starting point is 00:28:57 I just have to put that on the record. But thanks for agreeing with my take. Moving along. The Texans lost to the Jaguars 24 to 21. OJ, did you see this happening? Yeah, the Texans beat them the first time they played. And I've said this, I'm sure on this show a few times, that when teams play each other twice and they're in the same division, it's hard to win both games. You know, they normally split. I know when I was in Buffalo, we'd be split with Miami and splitting with New England.
Starting point is 00:29:33 But we were all bad teams at the time, I must admit. But when teams play twice, especially a team that I thought and I still think overall is a better team Jacksonville even though I give all the respect to Houston because that that CJ showed I mean what he's doing for those guys and that other rookie tank whatever his name is to receive it those guys they're playing ball and the coaches got him playing great defense I think he's coach of playing great defense. I think he's coaching here. I do. I think he's good.
Starting point is 00:30:09 The brother's doing a job down there. But I wasn't surprised. I ran both Lawrence and Etienne on my fantasy team. I ran both of those guys on my fantasy team because I thought they would do well. Lawrence did really well. He scored me 30-something points. ETM just so-so. But I ran them because I thought they would have a good game
Starting point is 00:30:38 against Houston. So I wasn't surprised that they beat us. Jacksonville. Didn't we? Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. I forgot about that. No, Stat picked Jacksonville on the weekend.
Starting point is 00:30:56 So we showing our little love. But I did say I believe they could win. I don't know if she's going to acknowledge that. I have no comment. She's feeling it today I mean Jacksonville's still not my team They're not my team but I was supporting them You said we
Starting point is 00:31:14 Yes because that's my hometown but I'm not even going to get into that Because all these people were like how you don't know this street How you don't And you know what y'all got it I was going to say that I've seen people in the comments talking about stat talking about jacksonville as wow i've already seen it like they said they didn't want to say cat but they was like they used the word wow like stat trying to talk about
Starting point is 00:31:36 jacksonville is crazy i just say yeah i'm on my business that's exactly i've seen that one actually you reposted one of them. There's so many. Yeah, they're like, where's that? Jacksonville now? Okay, cool. Look, as far as the game's concerned, as far as this whole weekend's concerned, I'll say this, man.
Starting point is 00:31:53 Ohio, y'all let me down every fucking way. Ohio State, you let me down. Fucking Cincinnati let me down. I even tried to go to Texas, CJ Strout, and go with him because he went to Ohio State. Y'all let me down this whole weekend. Y'all already calling Mace Tellin on me and shit. I'm going to stop being a homer.
Starting point is 00:32:11 I'm going to stop being a homer. I'm going to stop. Because I picked the Texas to win this game because our good Strout was playing with Ohio State. I'm trying to keep it Midwest. But I'm going to stop being a homer and call it like it is. Now, don't say all season I ain't been bigging y'all up. The whole fucking state, whether it's Cincinnati,
Starting point is 00:32:29 whether it's fucking Cleveland, whether it's Columbus, whether it's Dayton, whether it's Springfield, whether it's the town Mesa I never mentioned none of the time. Listen, Toledo, Ohio, right next to Detroit. Listen, the gig's up. If y'all don't got my back, I'm not going to have y'all back. Y'all not going to have Mace came up here today and say, I went Mr. Day for the world.
Starting point is 00:32:53 No, and I picked every wrong team because I tried to be with Ohio. I picked everything wrong this weekend. Everything, just trying to stick with the whole team. The gig's up. The gig is up. I love y'all. I'm always going to represent y'all, but I'm not going to pick y'all just to be a homer, period.
Starting point is 00:33:10 That's that. I'm not going to do it. Listen, but back to the game real quick. They had a chance to win that game. Still, at the end of the game, they still had a chance to win. That field goal was nuts. Pause. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:23 Who are we talking about? Who are we talking about? Who are we talking about? The Texans. No, we're talking about the game. You know, basically. Yeah, the reason I brought it up because Stratton went to Ohio State. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:37 So, you know, I kind of went with, you know, when Burrow, I don't know if he was here or not when we talked about it. Basically, so you're caught up to speed, is that when Mace was trying to get on me about Joe Burrow, I said, well, I'm going with CJ Stroup because he was from Ohio State. So I kind of been leaning on the Texans
Starting point is 00:33:57 since Joe Burrow was out. And now this. So I'm just bringing you up to speed. That's the reason that I've been going with all the Texans this week I went with them but Stat and Mace being there both from Jacksonville you know they
Starting point is 00:34:12 we tried to warn them you know yeah they tried to warn me now mind you they were both born in Jacksonville Mace moved to Harlem when he was six days old Stat moved to Tampa when she was three hours old. And they still want to be talking about Jacksonville. So I'll let them go with it.
Starting point is 00:34:33 It's fine with me. It's all good. We tried to warn them all. That's why I was quiet the whole time. I couldn't wait for them to get to this subject. Yeah, listen, man. I was wrong on weekend just trying to be a homer. What I will say is this, man,
Starting point is 00:34:46 is that I think Trevor Lawrence is coming into his own. He had a spectacular game. I was a big, big fan of his at Clemson when he was there. I thought he was great
Starting point is 00:34:58 when he was there as well. And finally seeing the Jaguars getting it together because it's been a little while. Yeah. It's kind of fun to see. It's kind of dope to see. I'm not going to act like I'm a big Jacksonville fan, but I think that's a city that needs to be in the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:35:17 You know, it's not like it's a basketball team out there or anything else. I think they rally around the team. But all jokes aside, you know, with Ohio State and everything else, it's going to be fun to see what they do in the playoffs, man. But I think that Trevor Lawrence is finally coming into his own. He had a great game, 364 yards, and he looked good. He's been looking good all season. And what happens is Jacksonville has kind of been going under the radar
Starting point is 00:35:42 because how terribly they've been playing over the years. But then when you sit up there and you look, you're like, hold the fuck up. They lead the division. They're eight and three. Wait a minute. It's only six games left. So we'll see how the rest of the season goes.
Starting point is 00:35:58 The rest of the season goes for Jacksonville, but don't sleep on them. They looking really good this season. But it also shows a lot about C.J. Stroud because for him to even be able to keep up with Trevor Lawrence at this caliber for just being drafted says a lot about him as well. I mean, they only lost by a field goal that they missed. But yeah, shout out to C.J. Stroud.
Starting point is 00:36:19 Shout out to Jacksonville. Still a Steelers fan. Got to make that. We going to. Yes, shout out to Mace. You just regers fan. Got to make that. We going to keep. What we going to do? Shout out to Mace. You just regurgitated everything I said on the weekend. Yeah, and what we going to do is we going to stop shouting losers out every minute. Talking about it was a moral victory.
Starting point is 00:36:35 And, you know, for him to keep up. And not just you, Statt. All of us. Shout out to Eastside Michigan. We all do that shit, yo. But what I was saying was Mace did that the other weekend. He got me started to do this shit. Y'all lost, man. We all do that shit, yo. But what I was saying was Mase did that the other week. It got me starting to do this shit. Y'all lost.
Starting point is 00:36:48 I thought we only fucked with the winners up here. That's what I thought. And we all guilty of it. Shout out to Jacksonville. Yeah, we always said this. Jacksonville, the winners. Yeah, oh. Welcome to Titletown, oh. back to Bill the West yeah welcome to Tyler Town yeah
Starting point is 00:37:09 that's somebody with a college in Ohio yeah there we go I got nothing to say man I got nothing to say look you know I really would love
Starting point is 00:37:20 we got to get our technology out because I would really love one day to have you or Maurice Clorette up here at the same time. But you know, at the end of the day, I'm listening to this nigga
Starting point is 00:37:32 because he's my man. He doing all this research. He got me pulling the Freddie mask out, all type of shit, man. You know, we got to deal with this later in the week with Mase, man. Mo switched up.
Starting point is 00:37:42 I just wanted to tell you that. I saw Mo buying a Michigan hat. Yeah, man. Mo switched up. I just wanted to tell you that. I saw Mo buying a Michigan hat. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. I don't think my man gonna go that far. He's going to UCLA. Maurice go to UCLA, right? No, he went to Ohio State.
Starting point is 00:37:56 That's why I'm saying this. All of that? Okay, I'm thinking about the little guy that played. No, he's on our show during the week. Maurice Claret, Ohio State National Champion. He got into a little trouble, resurrected his life. Now he's doing great things
Starting point is 00:38:11 and he's on the show with us. He's Ohio State. One of his problems, he was listening to that dude. Well, where is he at? That dude. Who is that? Jim Brown. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:30 That was wonderful. That's me giving Jim a birthday cake. Yeah. I'm going to give Jim a birthday cake. And then one last question before we go to break. The Panthers have only won one game this season, and as a result, their head coach, Frank Reich, was fired. Do you think they made the right decision? OJ first.
Starting point is 00:38:51 Yeah, that was going nowhere. I don't even think Frank liked being there. I saw Frank, though, and I know I'm a little off the subject here, but I saw Frank lead one of the greatest comebacks in the history of football in a playoff game, I guess it was against Houston in Buffalo. They were down going into halftime, like 31 to six. They came out in the second half. The Bills didn't score with the ball. They scored. It was 34 to six. Frank was a quarterback. Everybody thinks Jim Kelly was a quarterback. Frank was a quarterback.
Starting point is 00:39:23 Everybody thinks Jim Kelly was a quarterback. Frank led the Bills back on one of the all-time greatest comebacks in a playoff game, and they won that game. All right, enough of that. Frank didn't appear as if he enjoyed being there. Yes. And he was doing nothing for Young. And I don't know if it's the owner's fault, the GM's fault, or his fault, but I feel so bad for Young because that boy's got skills,
Starting point is 00:39:50 but he's got nothing. He's got no help. And he's not going to get any help next year because they traded away all their draft choices to Chicago. So Caleb Williams will be going to Chicago, not that they would have drafted a quarterback if they had the number one pick.
Starting point is 00:40:05 They probably would have gotten Harrison or some offensive lineman. But it was time for him to go. I mean, they're one in seven or one in nine or whatever it is. You have to make some changes. The problem is this owner, it seems that's all he does. It seems like every year he's making changes. Yeah, but oh, if you didn't know this guy
Starting point is 00:40:30 and I just told you to close your eyes, it's 1 in 10. Does he keep the job? No. No, I believe he had to go. I believe he I kind of believe he wanted to go. Yeah, he's going to get paid. They fired him so he's going to get millions of dollars.
Starting point is 00:40:47 You know, he can go home and relax. Kick off. Real quick, make something you ask Otis. Is he going to get more than the running backs? You know, there's a couple words I have to give this to you. Yeah. Does he make more than the running backs out? You know he makes way more than running backs.
Starting point is 00:41:14 My bad, Mase. I didn't mean to cut you off. No, that was good. They're 29th in scoring, 29th in rushing offense, 30th in total offense, 30th in scoring defense, and 30th in rushing offense, 30th in total offense, 30th in scoring defense, and 30th in passing offense. There's no way he should get higher. What do you think?
Starting point is 00:41:34 He got to go. He's got to go. I mean, he might be a decent offensive coordinator. You didn't show it there, obviously. But that team sucks. That team's got nothing. Horrible offensive line. Okay defense, but not a great defense.
Starting point is 00:41:53 But their offense, you know, who's their wide receivers? They got rid of us, what is it, Moore. They let him go to Chicago. You know, they let Christian McCaffrey go to the 49ers. You know, once they made those moves, you knew they weren't going to. What I'll say is before we go to break, I don't really know this nigga. I ain't really been keeping up with him. I definitely ain't been keeping up with the Carolina Panthers.
Starting point is 00:42:22 The most I know about the Carolina Panthers is there's a protest at the end of the year. This will not stop the protest. It's firing this nigga. The protest will still go on. And lastly, what I'll say is another thing. I don't care what's going on when we shoot with you, OJ,
Starting point is 00:42:34 or who we're talking about. You'll find a way for somebody to be related to the Buffalo bills one way or another. I don't know how you do it. Every time that somebody has some type of relationship with the Buffalo bills. That's all I heard you say. Well, you know type of relationship with the Buffalo Bills. That's all I heard you say. Well, you know he's with the Bills, right? I don't know how you do it, man.
Starting point is 00:42:51 The greatest comeback in playoff history. That's what's up, man. So let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day. This afternoon, the Rockets will play the Mavs. Underdog fantasy has Fred VanVleet at 17 and a half points. Do you have him higher or lower? Mace. Higher.
Starting point is 00:43:08 He's going to have to get more points. Kyrie, he better get more. I'm going to go lower. Okay. Jalen Green is at two three-pointers made. Do you have him higher or lower? Cam. Lower.
Starting point is 00:43:24 Higher. Okay. And Luca is or lower, Cam? Lower. Higher. Okay. And Luca is at 29.5 points. Do you have them higher or lower, Cam? Higher. Higher. Make sure to download
Starting point is 00:43:33 the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too. We are joined back with our football analyst, OJ. So let's get into the Broncos versus the Browns. The Broncos beat the Browns 29-12 with Deshaun Watson out. Can you see
Starting point is 00:43:45 the Browns winning any more games? OJ first. Yeah, I think they're playing terrific football. Their defense is playing well. Russ is not making any mistakes. And the reason they brought Sean Payton there is because Sean
Starting point is 00:44:01 Payton is one of the great coaches. People forget that last year when Russ went there, everybody thought that team had everything they needed except the quarterback. Well, it's kind of turning out this year that that was right. They got just about everything they need in other positions. They just didn't have a coach because we know that coach um um aaron rogers is the best friend we know he can't coach at least it doesn't appear that he can coach but uh he came in it took him uh after what happened last year he took a team that everybody thought would be a
Starting point is 00:44:40 winning team last year he took those players players. He somehow straightened Russ up, putting him in an offense that he can't make a lot of mistakes in. And they're winning. They're winning. They're playing really good football. And they've beaten some good teams. Including my Bills. Yeah, your Bills is included.
Starting point is 00:45:06 How much do you count this win, though, OJ, when they're winning against the Deshaun Watless Browns? They don't have a quarterback. Look, winning is winning. It's no matter who you play. I mean, look, you'll see some of the best teams. Look, I think it was Dallas lost to Arizona, didn't it? I mean, you will see that all the time.
Starting point is 00:45:30 You'll see a bad team often will give a really good team, even a great team, a tough game. So those things happen. Cleveland, many people think, has the best defense in football. I know they're tough. That defense in football. I know they're tough. That defense is tough, but the bottom line is, as we said with Philadelphia,
Starting point is 00:45:50 no matter how they play, no matter what happens, if guys are dropping passes or guys turning the wrong way on passes, they win. That's the only thing that really matters. So how great do you consider this game for Russell Wilson
Starting point is 00:46:05 when he's 13 for 22 against such great defense? I'm not saying it's a great game for him. I'm saying he didn't make any major mistakes, what he was doing last year, giving the ball up to the other team. So the key is he wasn't hurting his team. That's what he was doing last year. And most of the time, that's what you want from a quarterback. Don't hurt us.
Starting point is 00:46:30 There's nothing wrong with throwing the ball away and having another down. There's nothing wrong with plenty and getting good field positions. The worst thing is turning the ball over to them with an interception or quarterback or fumble, and that's something he is not doing this year. So this was great management in your eyes? Well, they won. So I can't call it great. All I can say is they won.
Starting point is 00:46:59 I attribute most of that to the coach, Sean Payton, and how he has that team planned. They're winning football. They have a winning record. You got to give them credit. Yeah, I have to agree with OJ on this. Look, at the end of the day, whatever's going to get a win for the Broncos,
Starting point is 00:47:18 being how, seeing before the season started, how he's making fun of Sean Payton and Russell Wilson, saying how he wanted to start kissing babies and get more thug life in them, pause and be tougher, and he's a nice guy. I think
Starting point is 00:47:33 Sean Payton figured out a way to work with Russell Wilson, and if it's him being a game manager, then fuck it. He's been a game manager the last couple weeks to me. You know, like you said, Mace, only 134 yards. But if you're getting the win, that's what counts. It got them over 500.
Starting point is 00:47:51 And to be honest, in the wild card, everybody's one or two games in or out, them included. So you got a bunch of teams that's six and five, a bunch of teams that's seven and four, with six games left in the season. It could go either way. So look how it would look if the Broncos slip into the playoffs and win the first round in the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:48:14 We'd all be like, oh, shit, get the fuck out of here. Who would have thought? Yeah, this was a complete turnaround from how they started. Right. So they sneak into the playoffs. Like you said, get a wild card. They win their first game. And now everybody's talking into the playoffs, like you said, get a wild card. They win their first game. And then everybody talking about, well,
Starting point is 00:48:27 Sean Pating, he's one of those coaches that we can't count Russell Wilson out. You know, he's a Super Bowl champion. He got through to him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this is the things that it takes. This is why it's 17 weeks in the football season because we knew these two with weather and storm. That's how
Starting point is 00:48:43 niggas to start talking. So, whatever it takes, you know, like I said, to agree with you, Juicer, wins or win,
Starting point is 00:48:49 however it goes, and they're a game or two or maybe three out of a playoff spot. And if once you get into the playoffs, you know, the movie is
Starting point is 00:48:59 any given Sunday. Yeah. Or Monday. Or Thursday. Or Friday. Now, once in a while. Yeah. Or Monday. Or Thursday. Or Friday. Now, once in a while. The Ravens beat the Chargers
Starting point is 00:49:09 20-10. They are currently 9-3. Did you expect them to have this record, OJ? Yes. I thought the Ravens was one of the three.
Starting point is 00:49:20 Oh, my God, man. Oh, my God, bro. Oh, man. Come God, man. Oh my God, bro. Oh man. Come on, man. Please. No, no. Stop. Everybody knew that the business was going to come down.
Starting point is 00:49:34 85 bears. 85 bears. Everybody knew that was going to come down to Cincinnati and Baltimore. And Baltimore's been fortunate. Injuries. And you're going to ask me if I didn't think they would
Starting point is 00:49:49 beat these guys. Anyways. Calm down, Cincinnati. First of all, do you realize the next coach that will probably get fired will probably be the San Diego coach. With all the talent that they got.
Starting point is 00:50:05 With all the talent they got. Who have they beaten that was worth a darn? Nobody. So I don't think anybody will... I don't know. What was the line? Was it nine points or something crazy? Oh, they're in
Starting point is 00:50:21 L.A. They're not in San Diego anymore. No, you did not call this a big but go ahead. I'll finish did not call this the biggest game. But go ahead. I'll finish up. I'll let you finish. Go ahead. No, don't get me wrong.
Starting point is 00:50:30 I think there's some teams out there that's going to give Baltimore a hell of a game. But it wasn't going to be the Chargers. I didn't see the Chargers doing it. I think the Chargers are the number one underperforming team in football. When you look at that, those players, those pro bowl players, those guys that they have, and a quarterback that is, I mean, the guy could throw the ball.
Starting point is 00:50:58 Very few guys in the league could throw the ball as well as he does. And when you have that kind of talent and you have the results that they're constantly getting, I think that coach is the next one to go. What I'll say is this. I actually watched this whole game. And what I would love to know is what was the time of possession between the Chargers and the Ravens? And I didn't do the due diligence to study it or find out after the game was over, but it seemed like the Chargers had the ball the whole game, at least like the third quarter going into like the fourth quarter,
Starting point is 00:51:43 they had it like eight, nine, maybe 10 minutes in a row, and it's not turning any points to where it's forced fumbles, fumble recovery. They had the ball a lot, and Baltimore was just making better plays. Baltimore was exceptionally well on defense. The OC for, what's the dude's name? The OC for
Starting point is 00:52:06 San Diego. I'm probably got me saying San Diego. For the LA Chargers, he got to go, bro. You know, you got to go. Whether it's the coach or the OC. At this point, I'm not even mad at the OC because him leaving. Because I was looking at the plays they're doing. He comes
Starting point is 00:52:23 from a college background from what I was learning when I started doing some research on him last night. And he's doing a lot of, you know, he did a few trick plays, you know, throw the ball backwards. You know, shit looked cute, but it looked like they would not throw the ball into the secondary. I watched the whole second half, a little bit of the first half. I did not see a pass for over 15 yards.
Starting point is 00:52:45 I could be wrong, but I did not see them throw the ball to the secondary. Now, I'm not saying that Baltimore Ravens' defense isn't good, but you got to take a chance. It's like one of them niggas who's trying to kill you by death by a thousand little slits. Like, yo, they're throwing two yards and trying to hope they run for seven or eight yards. I'm like, yo, are y'all going to
Starting point is 00:53:10 throw it to the secondary ever in this game? And it just wasn't working. And I blame that on the offensive coordinator. I haven't seen all the Chargers games this year, but the plays he was calling, I was disgusted, and I felt really bad for Justin Herbert.
Starting point is 00:53:26 The reason I felt bad is because he's such a spectacular player. And when I was looking at him, I was saying to myself, you're too nice of a guy because even when things wasn't going right, I mean, and that's what you're supposed to do. Leadership qualities according to stat. Gallop the troops, you know, bring them around. Say, I know rally every way up. Look, I know things ain't going good.
Starting point is 00:53:48 Let's go. Come on, y'all. It don't matter. You know, we getting sacked. We're not getting any yardage. They're doing good on third downs. They have some good third down completions. Rallying the troops up, get all the way down the field and don't get any points. I would be so, the look on my face would be disgusting, but Justin
Starting point is 00:54:04 Herbert just seemed like he was cool with it. Yo, my nigga, you got to start showing that you got an attitude about this, so management will pick up on it, and ownership will pick up on it, because you're a great quarterback, but your talents are not going to be seen in the postseason with your crew,
Starting point is 00:54:20 as far as the OC and the head coach. OJ may be right about the head coach, but I was really focused on, I believe his name is Kellen Moore, if I'm not mistaken. And I was sitting there saying- From Dallas. From Dallas.
Starting point is 00:54:30 From Dallas. Oh, he's from Dallas, okay. He was in Dallas last year. Okay, but where was he from before Dallas? It was some- I don't know. I know he played at Boise, I think. Yeah, it was some college shit
Starting point is 00:54:44 that I was looking at. In Boise, they did all those trick plays, if you remember. Yeah, he coming from that blue football field and shit out there, man. You see him blue. So at the end of the day, man, Justin Herbert, you're going to have to get an attitude because they're not going to let you go anywhere. But if you want to put up with this,
Starting point is 00:55:01 you got to put your foot down and talk to management and if not management, ownership, because they need you. Cam, you know, the reason why he didn't get drafted, I had a tour and two or three other guys, was that they thought he was too lackadaisical. Total? They thought he didn't care. Oh, yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:55:21 That's what I'm saying. That was the book on him coming out of college. He went in the first round, but after a couple of other quarterbacks. So he's proven exactly what they said. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. He was right. What Cam was just saying was right.
Starting point is 00:55:37 What did I say? I was saying two of them got picked above him because the scouting report was that he really doesn't care. Lackadaisical. Okay, got you. And we just got informed. The longest pass they threw yesterday
Starting point is 00:55:55 was 17 yards for the whole game. With an arm like his. Yeah, his arm. Yeah, he got a great arm. I mean, as far as arms are concerned, and listen, I'm not saying that Josh Allen is better than Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow in any way, shape, or form. I think he has the best arm out of those players
Starting point is 00:56:21 as far as strength is concerned. I think Hubert is right underneath that as far as arm strength is concerned. And to be thrown for 17 yards with an arm like that pulls us out of fucking control. I knew I wasn't bugging. Thank you for that information
Starting point is 00:56:34 because when I'm watching the game, I'm like, why won't they throw it to the secondary? And I'm sitting there watching for 16 minutes and I didn't see it. Last question before we end. Okay. So in response
Starting point is 00:56:49 to Tom Brady's mediocrity comments, former 49ers quarterback Alex Smith said, Tom Brady played in the most uncompetitive division in NFL history. I mean,
Starting point is 00:56:59 you come out of training camp in the biggest cupcake division. You got a ticket to the playoffs right away. Like, talk about mediocre. Do you agree? Former quarterback Alex
Starting point is 00:57:12 Smith? Alex Smith, look. I agree with me. Nigga might smack. Nigga might just buy a pair of white gloves to smack you with, nigga. You out of fucking control, nigga. Look, look, look.
Starting point is 00:57:26 Cam, he's right about one thing. The division, the league he was in. Oh, you played in that division, too. They weren't any good. Yeah, well, you played in that division. You was in the division, though. We ain't going to let you do that to Tom. And when the Dolphins went undefeated,
Starting point is 00:57:41 I think they played against two teams with a winning record. No team in that division had a winning record then. But I like more, I ain't going with Alex Smith, but I am going with Randy Moss and what Randy Moss said. Randy Moss said today, Randy Moss
Starting point is 00:57:58 said, Brady, you're the reason for all of this stuff, all these quarterback rules and can't hit them here and can't hit them there. You, every time you got hit, you looked up at the referee and wanted a flag. So Randy Moss said, you're the last person to be saying this. And that was Randy Moss, who I know is friends with him because they had that great year together, you know,
Starting point is 00:58:22 undefeated until the Super bowl 50 touchdown passes but brady was most of these quarterback rules was made because of brady they should have spoke up for brady though that's what i was thinking well you know i don't i i as i said i ain't going along with smith so i don't i'm mad at i'm mad at him in the the Niners for them drafting him ahead of Rodgers when they came out of college. You know, and Rodgers playing right across the bay at Cal Berkeley. Everybody knew they should have drafted Rodgers, but they drafted Alex Smith.
Starting point is 00:58:58 But I paid attention that day when Randy Moss said what he said. Do you agree that we're in the golden era of linemen? Golden era of linemen? Offense? Defense? Defense. I don't even know how to answer that question.
Starting point is 00:59:22 You got some great athletes on defense now. Great pass rushers. They could be as small as Von Miller, you know, if they got the speed to get around. You've got Donald. I mean, who's ever been better than him? Yeah, this is what he was saying.
Starting point is 00:59:39 Maybe Randy White. Maybe Randy White, you know. I don't know. I think the game is a different game. Athletes are different. It's hard for me to say that. I think in most sports, athletes are better trained and bigger and faster in general than they were in the old days, you know.
Starting point is 00:59:59 I played in the old days. And that's for every position, Cam, just in case you want to say something other than running back. Because I'd still be one of the bigger running backs and faster than all of them. Yeah, that's what he was trying to say. He said a lot of future Hall of Famers are on the defensive linemen right now that are playing currently right now.
Starting point is 01:00:21 You have some great athletes playing defense, right? Really terrific athletes and some huge guys who got speed and uh yeah i mean look just look at uh uh what cj watt and look at bosa and watt and von miller and uh and uh tj the boy in cleveland um jesus i mean he's probably the TJ Wise. TJ. The boy at Cleveland. Jesus. I mean, he's probably the best athlete I've ever seen. See, I've ever saw a player non-defensive end. I mean, he is big. He is fast.
Starting point is 01:00:56 He is athletic. I don't know, you know. I don't know if they had kept sack records back in Deacon Jones' day, they'd still be trying to catch Deacon Jones' record for sacks. But they weren't taking them right there. But he was a great athlete. Yo. Yeah. Alex Smith was the question.
Starting point is 01:01:19 I don't know how the fuck we got the golden lineman or the fucking golden era lineman. I don't know how Randy Morse got involved in thiseman. I don't know how Randy Morse got involved in this shit. I don't know how Randy Morse did 50 touchdowns with the Giants. I mean, with the loss to the Giants. I don't know how we got to the 1972.
Starting point is 01:01:36 You got the 1972 undefeated Dolphins. Oh, when they want to do it. I wasn't born when that team was out. Alex Smith was the question. Alex Smith, you got a lot of fucking nerve. First of all, you got Alex Smith. I know why you mad.
Starting point is 01:01:54 You was a great, you was a really good quarterback. I think your record was, I know off the top of my head, I didn't even do no homework on this. You was like 19 to 18 and one to 20 and one. Got hurt. Missed five, six games. Colin Kaepernick came in and took his spot on five, six games. I felt bad for you back then because I was like, damn, the NFL quarterback position is tough.
Starting point is 01:02:14 You can't even get hurt for two, three weeks because if they've gained momentum, then you're out. So you lost your job to Colin Kaepernick. Where do you go next? You go to Kansas City. Looks great. I think you had another record of some shit,
Starting point is 01:02:27 12 and 3, 12 and 2. It was spectacular. Who's waiting in the cut? Patrick Mahomes, man. Sorry, Alex Smith. Get up out of here. Then you go to the Redskins,
Starting point is 01:02:36 I believe, and fuck your leg. Look, it's been fucked up for you, bro. And you had a really good record. Watch your mouth, man. Watch your mouth about Tom Brady because your shit ain't go right and you have potential to almost record. Watch your mouth, man. Watch your mouth about Tom Brady
Starting point is 01:02:45 because yes, shit ain't go right and you have potential to almost get there. You're probably one of the best game managers ever. Probably top two as far as, if we're talking about quarterbacks who game management, you're one of the best. Who's up there with him?
Starting point is 01:02:59 I don't know because I don't be watching game managers. I ain't really with all that game management shit only reason I know is because I I was watching the 49ers that year they did really well I was watching the Chiefs and they're doing well and I'm like damn this thing caught a bad break two niggas kind of like uh Drew Blitzo you know same shit Drew Blitzo was sitting there doing decent with the Patriots he gets hurt who. Who comes along? Tom Brady. Then where does he go? He goes to Dallas. Plays for the Cowboys. Gets hurt.
Starting point is 01:03:28 Who comes taking his spot? Tony Romo. Tony Romo, pardon me, Drew Blitzel, Alex, write a book together. Shoulda be dope.
Starting point is 01:03:36 Niggas, the niggas who took our spots. Some of them niggas that coulda been records. Yeah, coulda, I like that, coulda been. Drewski.
Starting point is 01:03:43 Yeah. That's a fact. Drewski, Johnny Shikes, get them on Drewski's label. Could have been Rackets. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:56 But that was his most number one picks. Yeah. My point to you was, I don't pay any attention to Alex Smith. Any criticism he would have of anybody. Randy Moss, I wouldn't pay attention to. No, you're right. Don't get it fucked up. I'm listening to Randy
Starting point is 01:04:12 more, especially him playing with Tom Brady. You know, I was fucking around. That was one of the best seasons. They was almost on the way to beating or tying, I'm not sure, but the 72 Dolphins, you always talking to them.
Starting point is 01:04:29 We always, well, we as a society always talk about because they're the only undefeated team ever. They're right there. And good old Giants, man. Put them out of business. Well, that's all the time we have for today. OJ, thank you for being here. Thanks, Uncle.
Starting point is 01:04:45 Oh, we love you, man. Appreciate you again. Jet lag. Love y'all. Jet lag. Oh, make sure you drink that blueberry juice all week, man. Stay strong, baby. I'm telling you, blueberry juice is the best juice you can drink almost.
Starting point is 01:04:58 All right, cool, man. Thank you. And thank you. All right, guys. Bye. And thank you all for watching. As always, it is what it is

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