IT IS WHAT IT IS - RATE CAM'S RIZZ AND WHAT ACTUALLY WENT DOWN WITH LEBRON JAMES & IME UDOKA | IIWII EP#60

Episode Date: December 5, 2023

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What's up? Time to do the salsa. Yo, Vic, turn it up real quick. Put me on. Yo, Vic. Vic. Yo, that's Vic. Hey, Victor.

Come on in here, man. Come on in here, man. Get in here, Vic. Get in here, man. Get in here. Get in here. Yo, record it. Get in here, Vic.

Come on. Come on in. Yeah, good. We never stop. We'll edit it out. Why? Yeah, yeah, yeah, OJ can be here. Why, why did I feel like, and look, this off the hump. First of all, thank you for even taking two minutes

to come in here. You know, New York in the building. You know what I'm saying? I gotta deal with this all the time, Florida, all the time. I think that your playing career got cut short. I think you were very, very good. And I don't know why. I know it was a couple injuries.

Why do you think your playing career got cut so short? That's a good question. I think, obviously, early on the injuries played a part. But I think once I recovered and I came back healthy and I was proven that I could play, I think just, you know, the business side of it kinda took a hold. We got Odell Beckham Jr. that year, we had Sterling Shepherd as well, two young receivers, and they was like, we can't keep the OG around

because we gotta pay these two in a couple years, so even though he was doing well, we gotta figure out how to get him outta here so we can pay these two young fellas. That's what's up, and that's a very mature answer. I would've been like, fuck me. Man, I don't know what the fuck they talking about. When I was at the crib, I'm like, fuck you.

Yeah, yeah. What the fuck going on? But when I'm in the office, I'm like, all right, y'all, what y'all need me to do? It's supposed to be, man. Yeah, 100%. Listen, who are your top three receivers right now in the NFL? Who would you, matter of fact, give me your top five. Top five right now, okay, I'm'm gonna go with, that's tough.

I'm gonna go with my guy from Minnesota. Okay. I'm gonna go with Jamar Chase. I'm gonna go with, I still like Cooper Cup. I'm gonna go with, who else? Drawing blanks, y'all put me on the spot. I was walking through. You know what I'm saying?

I'm trying to think of receivers.all put me on the spot I was walking through. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to think of receivers, and I got to put my receiver hat on. I like Brown from Philly. And then I don't even know if he counters a receiver or not, but he's just going off today. He went Debo Samuel. You got to put him in that hybrid, whatever he is, he is. But he catching the ball, so we'll give him a receiver too.

Got you. We know that you're out to take care of business. I don't know if Mesa, Staz, anything he is, he is, but he catching the ball, so we'll give him a wide receiver. Got you. We know that you're out taking care of business. I don't know if Mesa or Statt has anything to ask, but I'll leave you with this last question for me. And we want to schedule you. How long are you out here? I'll leave tomorrow. Okay.

Well, next time you come, we'll get it together. We'll do it right. We'll do it right. Thank you for even coming in for the two minutes. Not the winner, but who are your two teams going to the Super Bowl this year? Man, I got gotta make a change, because Kansas City just took a L, and the way they was looking, they looked shaky.

So I'm gonna go with, I like 49ers on the NFC side, and on the AFC side, I'm gonna go. I know, OJ Simpson is in the background, so I'm like, yeah, 49ers. Nigga, yeah. You're hype. Oh, I love OJ on the show, though. It's hilarious, like the whole thing. He right there. What's up, OJ on the show. It's hilarious.

What's up, OJ? Hey, buddy. I can't hear you, but I know you out there doing things. He can't hear you. Okay, I'm going to go with the Niners on the NFC side. And on the AFC side, man, I'm going with... Who do I like on the AFC side? I don't even know.

I got to go with the... I'm going with the Niners to win the whole thing. Okay. Let's just leave it at that. Got you, man. Anything you want to add? Yeah, I got one question. I always said if I was in front of you, I would ask this question. Was that catch illegal when it was on the helmet?

From David Tyree? Yeah. Was it illegal? Absolutely not. No, he had to catch it. Rodney Harrison still upset about the catch. Every time he brings it up, he gets very, very upset. But no, it was-

Because I used to live down the street from him, so that always came up. Yeah, no, that was legal. It was a crazy catch. Happy he came down with it for Giants history, man. Like that's one of those catches that's gonna go down in history forever. So it was perfectly legal and a great one at that.

Thank you so much, man. We gotta do it right one day, man. I'm a huge fan of the show. I watch all over the gram, all over the clips, like huge fan, keep doing your thing. When you leave out of my, my guys get your number and we'll set up right. But thank you, Mrs. Sue, thank you so much.

Cause we know y'all are probably out in the day. Thank you for taking five minutes to coming through. We really appreciate it. much. Thank you. We know y'all are probably out in the day. Thank you for taking five minutes and coming through. Our pleasure. Our pleasure. Appreciate y'all. Thank you, Victor. And thank you for coming on the show.

All right. Have a good one. Appreciate you, bro. Yeah, that was dope. That was dope. Thank you. Thanks. Welcome back to It Is What It Is.

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Underdog Fantasy app. It will also match your first deposit of $200 and you get a special pick when you sign up. Of course, I'm Treasure Wilson, aka StatBaby, along with your hosts, Mace and Cam. Killer, what's good? Fuck is O at? I don't know. Yo, O.k.a. Stat Baby, along with your hosts, Mace and Cam. Killer, what's good? Fuck is O at? I don't know.

Yo, O. Yo, O. O there? Nick. Know this shit or O, yo? You know, I can't see. Yo, O, what the fuck? O, we're looking for you.

You can't see me now? Yeah. You're blocking the San Francisco sign. I wanted to wear my San Francisco jersey. But you know, it's funny in my life. I move a lot. I keep a bunch of 40, I mean, Buffalo Bills jersey, a bunch of USC jerseys, and some 49er jerseys.

All of a sudden, all my 49er jerseys are gone. Hold on. Oh, man. You just was missing. Before I even get to you, this nigga right here. Georgia. Grrr. Grrr.

Oregon. The Mighty Ducks. They put my dog down. You have no team in the playoffs, murder. They got nothing. I do. No, don't go get the fuck. You see, I came in with my Alabama colors on.

I came in purposely. You know me. You know. Now you a good old boy. I came in purposely. Now you a good old boy. You went Alabama colors. I just was wondering.

You're looking really sharp. You don't see the colors I'm wearing. Who's your team now? You don't see the colors I'm wearing. Who's your team now? You don't see that gold? Now, nigga, Washington. You a wild boy. I know you feel it. I knew you was going to win it.

You a wild man. Alabama. Yo, I'm telling you now. You were out, man. Alabama. Yo, I'm telling you now. I was on Maurice Claret's page, and he was getting the whole comment section was saying,

I wonder who teammates is coming in. The Ducks is out. The Mighty Ducks. Bo Nix, he lost to Pennix. Yeah. That was a good game, though. That was a good game though. That was a good game. All my teams lost like by close numbers.

So, and I wore a little, a little rust from Texas. If you could see it in the handkerchief. You know. Texas is, is iron.

Even OJ's iron. That's crazy, man. It's just, it's just a little rust. I still got a little 49er red on for me. And I told you last week, they're the best team in football. No, you did not say that.

Hold on, let's get to a stat. Let's roll. Well, I guess in honor of you wearing 49ers colors, let's start with the 49ers. They took down the Eagles 42 to 19. Does this change how you view either team? It doesn't change how I view them. I still think the Eagles are a terrific team and you know, certain days they may be able to beat the 49ers, but if both teams are completely

healthy and they play 10 times, The 49ers would win seven times. The 49ers are just solid everywhere, and a little more than solid. They have dynamic players. Last year, when they lost to Philly, we all talk about the lack of the quarterback. 49ers had no quarterback. The main guy they didn't have was Debo Samuels. Debo is a beast. He's on my fantasy team, so I couldn't be happier right now.

But the Niners are the best team in football if everybody's on the field healthy. Now, the closest team to them is the last week. We went to the videotape before we start the show. You said that Philly was the best team in football last week. Because I knew you would try this week. I wouldn't watch the episode before we came and filmed today. You said the best team in football last week was the Philadelphia Eagles.

I think you're talking two weeks. You may have been talking two weeks ago. Oh, my goodness. Two weeks ago you're pulling out two weeks yo oh you gotta stop this yeah I think Philly was a great team but the 49ers weren't healthy for the best team in football

oh we gonna leave you up here talking about yourself if you pull out again pause that was crazy oh I can't believe you did that oh no I think Philly is a really good team pause. That was crazy, O. I can't believe you did that, O. No, I think Philly is a really good team, and for a couple of weeks, I said they were the best team.

But I said, when the 49ers are healthy and they got all their guys on the field, and you guys got on my case. Oh. What do you think about Roger Goodell wanting to permanently remove that Eagles pause push-push play? It's typical, you know.

What did they do with Chamberlain? When Chamberlain came along, they widened the lane to keep getting further away from ball. What did they do when Kareem came on? further away from ball. What did they do when Kareem came on? Kareem played all his years in college, and they banned dunks. Couldn't dunk the ball when Kareem was in college. So now you got a team which, you know, I got to give Kelsey the center because I think he's one of the main guys that makes it work.

But we do know it's Hurts that gets it in the end zone. And now I guess he considers it unfair. So when a player or a team perfects something that other teams can't match, I got to say mostly it was the brother. Oh, look at how killer is looking at you right now. He won't even sit down and talk to you all. Most of the time, if it's a brother involved, they're going to try to change it.

Oh, I thought that was a mannequin. I thought that was a mannequin. He's dead over there. Oh, that's how you feel about you in this Alabama suit. 29th team, Oset is the best team in football, yo. No, I was just like, I told you guys every week, you guys laugh at me when things change because you say I always make it something, you know, I always kind of protect myself with something.

When the 49ers, and I know I've said this the entire season, when the 49ers is fully healthy, they're the best team in football. Nobody got the skilled players that they had. Nobody's got the great, well, some people have great defensive lines, but the 49ers, especially when they got Chase Young, when you got that kind of defensive line, the offensive line they got when Williams is playing and not hurt like he was in the championship game,

there, I mean, look at the receiver. Ayuk! Ayuk! Debo, we know what Debo is. What was that, O? That was Ayuk, he was my receiver. Oh my goodness. We know what Debo is. What was that, O? Brandon Iyuki. That was Iyuki, the wide receiver. Oh, my goodness. See, now I know what you meant, Cam,

when you say I talk about basketball the way he talks about football. Dang. How's this up? He was straight. Manny Mardy caught a straight. Oh, man. What did I do? Manny Mardy caught going straight. Man, you're going straight. Oh, man. You're going straight.

If you didn't say it with so much jet lag, we wouldn't know what you was talking about. All right, I'm back off that. I'm back off that one. Man, you're going straight for no reason, man. Yeah, one of the guys had Iyuk on his team, fantasy team. So today, every time he called a pass, he's yelling, Iyuk, Iyuk. And you know how that place is, Cam, where I watch football. Yeah, absolutely.

I was going to creep up, but I didn't know if he was there or not today. I was going to come by and check it. I'm there every Sunday, no matter how I feel. I thought you said Iyuk, but you was drinking the blueberry juice. I didn't know what you were saying. It's good for your heart. You know, I felt bad last week and I couldn't get all

the properties, but you read up on everybody should be blueberries, help you think clear, and you really need to drink something. That wasn't a blue shirt. I sound like and you really need to drink something. But blueberry. That wasn't a blueberry.

And then you go, I sound like, wow. Look, I walked out because this is all 28 teams saying this is the best team in football since the Cowboys in week one. I don't know how far you got of what you talked about.

So I'll just give my opinion real quick. To me, the 49ers, and I have not said this before, or maybe early, they definitely look like the best team in football this week. Those, when Purdy, Debo, and McCaffrey play,

they do not lose. And Kittles as well. Those core guys, and their defense was looking really well today as well. But when those three guys are on the field healthy, like O was saying in the beginning, I didn't have a problem with O's take of

them being the best team in football this week. But you said last week Philly was because we knew you were saying... Philly was playing the best football, but the 49ers, you know, it was hard to push the Niners when they lost three straight games. That was crazy.

Everybody got healthy. But I think everybody in the league knows that the Niners are totally healthy. They're the toughest. They don't have a weakness. Great cornerbacks. So Philly was playing the best football, but the Niners are the best team. Philly was 10-1. They were playing the best football.

And I'm going to say this, too. If the Buffalo Bills had lost Milano and White, they'd be up there with them. Oh, here we go. Well, look, Philly still has the best record in football right this very minute. So are they the best team? Are they not playing the best football? No, I don't. Because we got to be specific when it comes to words with you, we see.

We have to be very specific. You know, it's like your boy says on his show. What is it? First take. He always say, it's fluid. Stephen A. Smith. It's fluid. See, Stephen A. Smith, yeah, it's fluid. Okay, got you.

Okay, got you. Shout out to Stephen A. Smith. I see him say that a lot. That's the bro. But now you're telling me you're biting lyrics. So now you're stealing people's lines. Now you're going to steal Stephen A.'s... Yeah, the air hustling, the pillow talking. Now you're taking people's lives. Now you're going to steal Stephen A's pocket watching. Yeah. The air hustling, the pillow talking.

Now you're taking people's lyrics. This is crazy. Yeah. Oh, how can you say that? Um, the 49ers are the best team when, when,

um, the Eagles lead the league in third and fourth down conversions. Well, they, they developed that push to whatever it was. And nobody could do it quite like them. That's why I would say they almost

get rid of it. The brothers just can't be stopped on them short yardages and end zones. But as I likened it to Kareem, a lot of people don't know. I went to just about all the UCLA games because Kareem was at UCLA at the same time

I was at SC. And they were going undefeated. And they made the rule that he couldn't dunk. No dunking. Can you imagine that? Think about that. I remember that. I mean, I was on it.

No dunking. And that was because of him. Tiger Woods at 300 yards, they tightened all the fairways and brought the rough in because he was out driving everybody and he was hitting it at that 300-yard area. With Wilk, they widened the lane. They tend to do that. Have you seen them change anything to keep Tom Brady from being effective? They even agreed, invented the tuck rule for him. in sports, if a brother's involved in something that is so superior

to what everybody else is doing, somehow they deem it unfair. And they start thinking about changing the rules. Oh, when you was playing, being that you was busting everybody's ass and killing everybody, what did they do for you to say, you're just rushing too many yards? Oh, there's too many people out there. They couldn't change anything. And no matter where they change it, I still was going to be doing my thing.

Blueberry. My man. O said throw 14 niggas on the field. You not stopping these yards, man. Oh, your videos was looking like rugby style. You was just going. Pause. Yeah. You know what? Because me

and Jim and we all had them records, they added games. But they still ain't got me in a lot of my things. They added games so other people could break them. So you're basically saying not money

not more sponsorship dollars anything else they added games just so people could break their record I'm just saying that to go along with the crap that I was saying I don't believe it I know what the sport is about the sport is about money but I'm serious as heck when it comes to Wilt,

when it comes to Kareem, when it comes to Tiger Woods, where they could make those changes, they made them. Gotcha. They made them all. Just in case people forgotten, we talked about it on this show. People forgotten. We talked about it on this show. OJ Simpson, the only person with 2,000 plus yards in a 14-game season.

That needs to be reminded. Moving along, the Cowboys beat the Seahawks 41-35, extending their home win streak to 14. Obviously, Cowboys fans are real hype right now. How do you feel about the Cowboys right now? OJ. I told you, I think I said this last week.

When the Cowboys beat, not this week, but last week, somebody, I don't know what it was, somebody went out a winning record. The people in my room that watches where I watch my Sunday football, they're yelling Super Bowl.

Super Bowl, right? This actually was the only team with a semi-winning record that they beat. And I'm going to tell you, late in that game, and I'm proud of what Geno Smith has done with his career the last few years. But those last, there was a lot of passes, I'd say three or four, where Geno was dropping back, had a terrific pocket in front of him, but he seems like he was trying to drop back faster than them edge rushers came around. And a few times he threw the ball, even while he was still going back, when all he simply had to do

was step up into the pocket. And I'm sure, I mean, I don't have a doubt that whenever they watched the films of that game, the lineman or the offensive line coach said, you could have stepped up in the pocket here.

You kept going back. They had those guys going all the way around. You could have stepped up in the pocket here. You kept going back. They had those guys going all the way around. You could have stepped up and throw the ball. So it wasn't a great win on their part, but they did win, and they have a great record. What are they, 9-3 also? But you wait.

They got to play. I don't know, do they have to play the 49ers? If they do, you're going to see a spanking. They I do know they have to play the Bills. But as I said, the Bills problem is they lost some key guys on defense and they don't seem to be able to keep teams, you know, with a lower score. They can still score. teams, you know, with a lower score. They can still score, but somehow at the end of the game, if the other team got the ball, they are able to get down the field and score.

Oh, are you ready to give props to Dak? Do you think he's playing that much better? Hey, you know what? All you can do is what you can do. And I can't say anything negative about that because whatever they're giving them they're giving them last place teams to play he's doing to him what he should be doing to him so dak has had a incredibly uh efficient year he's playing terrific football uh but you know it's like why they kept um Ohio team out of the college championships.

It's who you play. It's who you play that matters. Oh, don't start that, O. That's why we ain't heard nothing about Ohio at this point. Did Cleveland win today? Joe Flacco, he had more than 250 yards I tell you that for a nigga for a nigga

came straight off the couch I know you trying to play some Ohio shit oh we know your games you trying to come and murder me you trying to see if no high time

you not low we know what you doing you know what we gonna do Nick this is what we gonna do highlight reel from first OJ first show

to this week and see how many teams he sent the best team in football because he just said in Dallas 85 beers yeah we gonna get

a whole highlight film we need the whole list the 85 beers of what he's doing because 85 beers was week two now with the

85 beers which is the Cowboys play the 49ers they gonna get spanked he didn't he didn't say it's gonna be a good game he's not gonna say oh it's not gonna they going to get spanked. He didn't say it's going to be a good game. He's not going to say, oh, it's not going to even be close.

Nigga says spank. And don't forget Miami. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're playing the best football on turf right now. Exactly. Oh, don't forget about Buffalo. Buffalo, they did come back.

It was crazy. The fucking wall, man. You're going to get a highlight. Sir Mix-a-Lot. Yeah. Get you get a highlight. Sir Mix-a-Lot. Yeah. Get you from the Bay. Sir Mix-a-Lot is going to be your nickname. Mix-a-Lot's from Seattle, Maze.

Still, some way out there. Maze, come on. It's West Coast. We're here to talk the story. Yeah, it's West Coast. Yeah, I'm just saying, you know. You know, they just get personal. Seattle, they just might get a little mad about it.

Yeah, my bad. Yeah, yeah, man, don't do that. And real quick, because I want to make sure I keep track of your answers. So next, the Eagles will play the Cowboys. Who do you see winning that game? So we can keep track of this before the next game. I see the Eagles winning that game. I don't think the Cowboys have coming out of the –

receiver-wise, the Cowboys is pretty tough, you know, but I mean, they, you know, they don't have the three great guys that 49ers have, Kittle and tight end and Iyuk and...

Iyuk in the day. Iyuk in the day, boy. That's what I thought he saidK in the day. I-U-K in the day, boy. That's what I thought he said, I-U-K. What they don't have is what the 49ers just got coming out of the backfield. And I think last week kind of showed us that their defense isn't quite, despite the 85 Bears and the beginning of the season and all of that, their defense is great but not quite as good as the 49ers. So I do think, you know, Purdy just doesn't make mistakes.

I cannot say Purdy is better than your boy, but Purdy doesn't make mistakes. I cannot say Purdy is better than your boy. Purdy doesn't make mistakes. He runs that offense like you cannot believe. You said you're not going to say that Purdy is better than Dak? No, I didn't say that. Who were you talking about then? I was talking about Dak.

I said I can't say that Purdy is better than Dak. I cannot. Purdy is better than Dak. I cannot. Purdy is better than Dak. Purdy is better running the 49ers as Dak is. Purdy runs the 49ers as well as any quarterback. But the whole thing is this. Oh, this is the thing, right? And I'm not disagreeing.

I disagree on that. No, what I'm saying is this. The thing about it is we don't know what other team Dak can run. And then, like, he came from another team and he did what he did. Yeah, OJ always stole these stats out of you. Yeah, he's running the Cowboys his whole career. You act like he came from Seattle,

then went to Baltimore, and now he ran all these different teams. He's running the same team that he's got, that he's been drafted to. Yeah, do you think Dak will be better on Tampa? No. All right, then. Point proven.

Yeah, the same way you said it. I don't know what the point is. You've lost him. He was saying we never seen him run another team. It's not for sure he will be better. I'm just telling you. He's not better than Purdy. Nobody on their team better than Purdy runs his team.

And I mean, right now, right now, it's flowing, you know. But nobody in the last two years since Purdy has come on the scene, when he's got his weapons, well, when he got his weapons. I got to go with me. Cam, as you stated, you're undefeated. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh would you pick? I was going to say, I feel like what OJ, I don't think OJ saying that he's the better quarterback. I feel like he's just saying situationally he would choose Dak. But that's what I was saying. He's not better than Purdy.

Talk to them boys, girl. Talk to them. No, but that's not what he was saying, but that's what I said. I said Purdy. But that's the disconnect.

Purdy is better. Purdy is better. Yeah, I think Brock Purdy is a better quarterback right now, but that's not the point that OJ was trying to make. So when is he going to be better than Purdy? When is Dak Prescott going to be better than Purdy? When was he ever better than Purdy?

I mean, I'm not going to say he was ever better, but I didn't say that he was ever better than Purdy. I know, but I was making my statement. He may have more skills than Purdy. He has more skills than Purdy, probably. But let Purdy play as many years as Dak played, and let's

see what the record is then. I just think Purdy runs his offense as well as anybody. He goes back, as I said before, he goes back to Bart Starr, Bob Greasy. These guys weren't great individual quarterbacks, but they were making the Pro Bowl every year. They took their teams to the Super Bowl,

not based on their total individual talent, but on their ability to run their teams. Okay, we get that. Back to a couple of things. A couple of things. I agree with Mace and Statt. I would pick Brock Purdy now. I also agree with you.

We still have time to see exactly what Brock Purdy could do because Dak been playing longer. But you keep saying that he runs his offense just as good as anybody runs their offense, but you're not willing to say that he's better than Dak. That's the point. That's but you're not willing to say that he's better than Dak. That's the point. That's what the point is. I'm not willing to say that. I'm not willing to say that.

As an individual talent, I'm not willing to say that. I mean, Brady, Brady, I don't, I wouldn't say Brady had the skill that Elway had, you know, just a natural skill that Elway had. you know, just the natural skill that Elway had. But see, that's a terrible example. Yeah, you're spitting on the conversation because that was my question. The thing about it is, you know why that's a terrible example, though? Because Brady left and won a Super Bowl the next year.

It isn't like he stayed and, oh, Bill Belichick. But that's my point. Okay, got you. That is my point. Okay. I don't think anybody would say that Brady was a better athlete than Elway. Elway was just an incredible athlete playing quarterback. But running that New England offense,

I don't think nobody could run that New England offense any better than Brady. And he led it to Super Bowls because of that. And because he had talent around him. I guess we're going to just keep going back and forth like ping pong. Elway never had to run another offense. He stayed in the Broncos his whole career. So you're sitting there saying, so this is what I'm saying. You're saying if he had to go to New England,

let's say if he had to go to Green Bay where Brett Favre was at, if he had to go to, we're not saying if Tom Brady left – I'm not arguing that. I told you Brady, for his time, was the best quarterback. He won championships with his team. He's a GOAT. Nobody's going to argue that anymore. That's what I'm saying.

It don't matter what kind of athlete the quarterback is. It's like – let me ask you this question. to argue that anymore. It don't matter what kind of athlete the quarterback is. Let me ask you this question. In the first six years of Michael Jordan's career, who's the best basketball player? Well, it depends.

I didn't win no championships. Maybe the first two years is arguable, but after like 86 years, it was Mike. No, but it might have been argued after four. I agree. He wasn't winning no championships on anybody's team, but he was still, I thought, was still the best player. And certainly after his first year, I thought he was the best player. Well, listen, it's been many years.

Look, it's been mad years. They said that you were the best football player in the 70s. Not 72, 74. They said that you're the best football player in the 1970s, a decade. You have zero championships. That don't mean that you wasn't the best football player in the 1970s, a decade. You have zero championships. That don't mean that you now isn't the best football player. I don't get where this conversation is going.

Well, you guys got me totally lost. I thought when I first said it was simple. He runs his team better than any quarterback in the NFL today. Is he the best just quarterback for his team? He in the NFL today. Is he the best just quarterback for his team? He's the best quarterback. But I don't think he's Jackson Lamar. I don't think he's Josh Allen.

I don't think he's – But the thing about it, listen, and listen, we all argue with that. That was a miscommunication because I just asked him the question and he said he didn't say it, but I asked the question. No, because the reason why it's a miscommunication, I agree with OJ saying that he didn't,

he's not a better individual talent than these players, but he's saying that he runs his team better than anybody. Like somebody else is about to go run another team. Lamar Jackson has to run the Ravens.

Dak Prescott has to run the Cowboys. So what I'm saying is I get what you're saying, individual talent, but all these players are still running their team, but you don't want to put them.

They're not better than him. They're not better than him is what I'm saying. We're saying that Bluebird is Let's reel it back. This is what we're saying. He's the only one running that team, and nobody else is getting a chance to run that team. And that's for every

team. Purdy is running his team. Right. Lamar Jackson is running his team. But not as well as Purdy. But you won't. Purdy is running his team. Right. Lamar Jackson is running his team. But not as well as Purdy. So, okay. But you won't put Purdy over nobody else. You guys are going to have different perspectives because y'all are answering different questions at the same time. No, no,

no, no. We're just kind of drilling in on the next one. No, no, no. Just Judy the whole shit. You going to leave it with you. What are you saying? I agree with you guys What are you saying? I agree with you guys' point because that is the team that he's running. There is no other

thing to compare it to because we're talking about that team. But I also understand OJ's point because he's trying to make his point to that case. But then Macy, your question kind of threw off. But we're just going to reel it back in because you guys are going to agree to disagree. My question threw it off.

I'm here to ask the questions. That's my job. I know, but this threw him off with the point that he was making. So I'm just going to say, you guys are going to agree to disagree. And we're going to go to the next question. Cause everybody's just going to be confused.

Say something about blueberry juice this way, baby. Awesome blueberry. Jet lag. Oh, okay. So moving along to the Texans. They defeated Russell Wilson

and the Broncos 22-17. CJ Stroud now leads the entire NFL in passing yards. OJ, how do you feel about that? I think the man is great. But I do think the coach, I always forget his name, but he used to be a linebacker.

I think the coach is coach of the year. I think this guy has done a hell of a job at Houston. He's got a young quarterback who throws a lot of interceptions, but he makes so many big plays. But overall, that team is playing just such a hard knock, smash-mouth football, offensively and defensively. I think he – well, I don't think anybody argues that he's rookie of the year. But I think the coach might be coach of the year also.

And that team might win that division. We're going to see a little something tomorrow night, see what Jacksonville does tomorrow night. But I think they got an excellent chance of winning the division because of a couple of rookies on their offense and because of the coach that they have. Ohio in the building. That's how we do.

Nothing or nothing. There's nothing this week. I mean, they lost the game, you know? Look, seriously, though, I think this had big playoff implications as far as who's going to make it to the playoffs out of these two teams. The kid, what's his name? Nico, he had 191 yards, I believe. C.J. Stroup played great.

He had one touchdown, but he was really a manager today, not like he usually does. I mean, he had 274 yards, but he didn't have a lot of touchdowns. But I agree, rookie of the year. Coach does a sensational job. But let's not act like even though he threw three interceptions, Russell Wilson still had a chance to win this game with a couple seconds left at the end of the game. This could have been a totally different conversation

if the pass was maybe three, This could have been a totally different conversation if the pass was maybe three, four inches pause a little higher. So this would be a totally different conversation because this was based on the last play of the game almost just about. So I'm not going to go too far down and

badger the Broncos and say yo, then, you know, I mean the Broncos like, oh, yo, you know, I mean, the Broncos are like, oh, yo, you know, they fucked up. They played a terrific game. Russell Wilson won too many interceptions and won two short touchdowns, and this game would have been a different game. But they still can make the playoffs talking about the Broncos, but I think this game puts Houston in the playoffs, if you ask me.

Yeah, you could be right. I have nothing against the Denver Broncos. I thought it was more focused on Houston. No, no, you're right. You're right. We need to talk about the people who won the game, but I just, like I said, I watched that game. So I was sitting there saying, at least I caught the second half,

I should say. This was one play away from saying that the Broncos won. This is one interception or one touchdown away from saying the Broncos won this game. So you're absolutely right. Oh, we need to focus on the people who won. But, you know, when it's that close. Yeah.

John Payton has done a hell of a job considering where he took that team from. That was last year. He's done one hell of a job. And now I don't think people, you know, when he was dogging that coach, Aaron Rodgers, favorite coach, who's in with the Jets with him now, who's the head coach of the Broncos last year, when he came in and did something totally uncharacteristic, dogged him. Coaches don't do that to one another. I think people kind of see that he had a point because this coach has done nothing being the offensive coordinator with the Jets at this point

because it's sad. I mean, it's really sad what he's done with that team. Oh, what do you think was your take on Pierce and his running game that day? When the day? Yes. Any day. The man, I mean, his coach sets a tone of smash mouth that's a hard running guy you know he's a hard running brother you know even last year he was uh so um I love watching running backs who

give full effort uh and he gives full effort all the time and And it's, I hate to say this, but it's supporting. If you look at McCaffrey today, look how hard that guy run. That's what makes him great. That's what makes all the great runners great is they run hard. I mean, let's look at Cleveland. I like the guys they got running now. But when Chubb was back there running, I'm sure Chubb would have been responsible

for a couple of games, for a couple of wins that they didn't get this year if he was able to be back there. Well, out of curiosity, because this clip has been going on social media after the game. Hold on real quick, and let's also keep in mind, not to cut you off, I thought you was going to say it.

Let's keep in mind, moving forward for the Texans, their number one receiver is out for the season as well. Yeah. So C.J. Stroud and a linebacker on the Broncos actually got in a slight altercation on the field when the play was dead. The linebacker actually ended up pushing him.

C.J. Stroud got in his face. There was a flag on the play. But after, in a press conference, he was asked about it and he said, I'm not going to let someone come and push me, especially not in his face. There was a flag on the play. But after in a press conference, he was asked about it and he said, I'm not going to let someone come and push me, especially not in my house. Like Drewski said, I'm going to stand on business. So do you feel like CJ Stroud handled that correctly by getting in his face?

Or do you feel like you should have let it go? No, let me jump in real quick, man. I'm not saying this ain't been a slogan and everything else. And you said, who said this? C.J. Stroud? Yeah. We gotta stop, grown men, stop quoting T.I.'s son because he said it this week. Listen, not saying the niggas ain't been

standing on business. Now everybody's standing on business because King is standing on business. Now football players following King? No, but Drewski. What? Drewski. Drewski. This is true, but I haven't heard it. Drew. No, but Drewski. What? Drewski. Drewski. Drewski been... This is true,

but I haven't heard it, Drewski too, but I haven't heard it as much since King said it this week. I've been hearing it all over the fucking place. Since King said it this week. Who else said it?

Drewski, my nigga. You know, Drewski, we work with Johnny Shipes. That's my man. You know what I'm saying? Who didn't say it? It's all over the ground. First of all, T.I. ran down.

I don't know if you've seen T.I. run down on niggas at the club. Did you see that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, now that's really standing on business. That's standing on business. Yeah. What you about to say? Stand on business.

Nigga did it in sign language. You know what I'm saying? Stand on business. But what I'm trying to say is, it's all this week. Not saying that it hasn't been going on this week because King went viral with it. Y'all niggas following King as well.

Pause, man. And T.I.'s my man. And King, I haven't met him, but T.I.'s my man. But y'all niggas got to stop seeing King say this and now y'all stand on business. That's what I had to say about it, period. But go ahead.

What do you think? I think, you know, the vernacular changes all the time and something is said and people use a word or a phrase and everybody picks up on it. It probably shows how influential that person

is. I don't know. Let me ask you. I like the way the guy stood up. I like anybody that stands up. As I told you before, I like to talk. Oh, would you say standing on business? You standing on business?

Have you ever stood on business, though? Pardon me? I said, you ever stood on business assuming I understand what it means I have you gotta add it to your vocabulary I like it I don't even know

the whole shit is like three years old I'm old that's not even new see they got That's like three years old. I'm old. I know that's not even good. Oh, no, no, no. Thank you, Al. See, they got granddaddy issues, Al, and they don't need to hear you out here saying you're standing on business. Now, fuck that, Al. If you're standing on business, that means you mean what you say.

Exactly. That's exactly what I mean. I'm kidding. Will you come on this show? I don't know if I used the phrase, but I've always stood on business. You always stood on business. That's a fact. That's a fact.

Oh, you don't. When you come on this show, you say, well, we agree or disagree or whatever. You're standing on business. Yeah. Let me ask you something real quick, just probably before we go to break. I would like to know know who would you rather have if you're starting a team today, both in their

prime, both healthy, would you rather have Christian McCaffrey or Derrick Henry? As a running back. They both play running back, man. I mean, you said who would you like to have? You named just those two guys. No, no both play running back, man. I mean, you said, who would you like to have?

You named just those two guys. No, no. As running backs, if you're starting a team and they're both, you need a running back. Which one? And they're both available. Boy, that question is crazy. Because of the rules of passing the ball and because of

the difference between these two and the offense, the passing game that they offer their team, it would probably be McCaffrey. Okay. But I love the King Henry. I mean, I love King Henry. The man is a beast. But with all the rules in football now, you got to throw the ball a lot.

And if you're just running the ball a lot. And if you, if you just running the ball, I like running the ball, but you need to have a bat that can also catch the ball. He's got to be, to be a, a big part of your passing game. Gotcha. I was just wondering that.

Yeah. So we're going to go to break. And when we return, we will talk about the chiefs versus the Packers. Pink horsepower. She called this thing about toxic what's happening baby what's happening why you walking like that that's how that's how i walk and then like you come on breathe that on me like that i fucking breathe to live and like you used to be dark skin and now you act like hella light skinned. You fucking blind?

I'm dark skinned! What the fuck? And then like, look at your beard. The fuck is wrong with my beard? Your beard looks stupid. What the fuck are you talking about? No, I don't even like it. The way you breathe in, all of that.

Has this ever happened to you? Your girl seems to be mad, angry, upset. She's frustrated. There's only one way to handle that. Pink horsepower. What happened to you? Your girl seems to be mad, angry, upset. She's frustrated. There's only one way to handle that. Pink horsepower. No, remember, remember. But your breath is really refreshing. No, no, no, no, no.

I'm just trying to give you a massage. Plus, have I told you how good your beard looks lately? It looks so good. No. PHP. It works every time. Wait, where are you going? Welcome back.

So let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day. This afternoon, the Celtics will play the Pacers. Underdog fantasy has Jason Tatum at nine and a half rebounds. Do you have him higher or lower? Mace.

Um, higher. Lower. Okay. Jalen Brown is at two and a half assists. Do you have him higher or lower? Camp. Higher. Okay. And Tyrese Halliburton is at 26 and a half points. do you have him higher or lower Cam? higher and Tyrese Halliburton is at 26 and a half points do you have him higher or lower Mace?

higher this shit time to show the league that you that nigga you been busting ass you going up against the 325 million dollar man next season possibly the $375 million man.

This is your time to get your check ready for when your contract is up. This is a very important game. Now listen out there, if y'all want to use Code Cam and rack up like y'all been doing, like everybody else has been doing, if you haven't done it yet,

go to Underdog Fantasy. Look, let me tell y'all something. If you fucking with anybody else, you corny as fuck. I'm just telling you this now because your money comes directly to you. Like, they don't play no games. That shit comes directly to you.

And I don't know what's going on because I'm not going to act like I'm behind the scenes, but Code Cam is over two, three million dollars already this season. You see Code Cam is already got about, I got to get the exact numbers for my nigga Nick. but cold cam is over two, $3 million already this season. You should go. Cam is already got it. I got to get the exact numbers from my nigga Nick, but I think that should be like $2.9 million.

Niggas using cold cam. We got two people going to the Superbowl, like 10, 12 people that want $10,000, two people that want 250,000. Fuck with me. Okay. Make sure to download the underdog fantasy app and you can make your picks too. We are joined

back with our football analyst, OJ. Okay. So the Packers defeated the Chiefs 27-19 and yes, Taylor Swift was in attendance. How do you feel about the Chiefs' loss? OJ first. Well, I think the Chiefs have

shown that they're not the same team that they were the last few years because you can't continue to change these receivers and think every new receiver you bring in is going to be, you know, like super contributors.

And that's the problem. I mean, the reason they've done as well as they've done on offense is we know. It's Mahomey, Patrick Mahomey. I call him Mahomey because that's what I call myself when I'm wearing his outfit on Halloween. But they truly, they honestly have weaknesses. have weaknesses. And that's why I think Cruz couldn't pick him to win the AFC.

He didn't want to not say it, but I think that's one of the reasons why he didn't want to pick him. And that's why I won't pick him because he can only do so much. I don't care how good you are. He can only do so much. Because he can only do so much. I don't care how good you are. He can only do so much. Funny thing today is, in a bet that I made, me and a buddy of ours, we made four bets.

Him two, me two. I mean, we throw like $100 on each one. And we do it every week during the course of the season. I took Green Bay. This kid love, you know, all athletes reach a point when, bam, they get it. And I think this kid the last few weeks has gotten it. He knows what he's doing now. And he's playing the type of ball they thought he would be capable of playing when they drafted him. And them years behind Rodgers and stuff is really paying off now. And we always knew they had a pretty decent defense. And those wide receivers, Dobbs and Watson, they've come along with him the last couple of years.

I mean, they're going up with a ball. They're making spectacular catches. And I really wouldn't want to play them now. I don't think many teams would really want to go into Green Bay, at least, and try to play these guys because they're hot. They're on a roll. Yeah. I said this last week because I watched Jordan Love two weeks in a row.

And I was saying he looks like Patrick Mahomes, even before this game. And I was like, yo, with him? You know, I was on the phone with some of my friends. We was, like, on the phone for, like, 20, 25 minutes, talking during the game, you know, just kicking shit, just, you know, regular stuff, like when you're watching the game with your fellas.

But we was on the phone, and we was like, where the fuck Jordan Love been this whole time? He's been kicking ass three weeks in a row, and he outplayed Patrick Mahomes tonight. Patrick Mahomes, 21 for 33, one interception. Jordan Love, 267 yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions. Coming into tonight's game, you know, I'll have to check about after winning this game.

But his stats through the first 11 games were 255, pardon me, 2,599 passing yards, 21 touchdowns, and a 5-6 record. You know who had that same amount of yards and same record with the same amount 21 touchdowns, and a 5-6 record. You know who had that same amount of yards and same record with the same amount of touchdowns? Aaron Rodgers. Same amount through his first 11 games. So we're going to keep an eye on Jordan Love because I think this last three weeks,

he's found something, and we'll see how far it goes this year. Agree 100%. The Saints lost to the Lions 33-28, bringing the Lions record to 9-3, the same as the 49ers. So OJ, how do you feel about that?

I don't care. I don't care. I think the Lions, I think they're playing really good ball. But we know what's going to happen to golf the minute it's a playoff and the minute a game really, really, really, really, really counts. Oh, put some respect on Detroit.

I'm not really worried about the Lions. I think golf is playing. Look, he took a team to the Super Bowl, right, and almost didn't complete a pass when they got there. And that's why they got rid of him. Why would you get rid of a young quarterback who was the number one draft choice in the entire draft, and he's only in like his third or fourth year? Because they see what I and a whole lot of other people see.

This kid's got skills. He's got talent. But when it comes to the big one, Michael didn't miss. Jerry West didn't miss when it came to the big ones. So the cost of shot down, he does it.

Pardon me? I mean, Jerry West got. I think just one. Yeah. You have a lot of times not to miss. Well, he didn't. You saw those

championships against the Celtics and he'd be taking them long. There was no three-pointers then. He'd take them long shots going down the field. Yeah, but he missed. Oh, you just said when he got his shot, he missed, though.

Oh, he won once. No, he didn't miss. In the end of the game, in the big shots, he never missed it. The problem is— Okay, okay, we're talking about this shot. We're not talking about overall. Yeah, just like with Josh Allen, he never ended up with the last shot. Josh Allen, yeah.

Josh Allen got it. You went from Jerry West— Oh, you went from Jerry West to Josh Allen. Josh Allen got it. You went from Jerry West. Oh, you went from Jerry West to Josh Allen. That man got Josh Allen. What's the correlation? He got them in on a bye week, yo. That's crazy. Yeah.

They don't get the last shot, unfortunately. The other team gets it. And they didn't miss. The Celtics didn't. In his career, DK... Or New York, for that matter. I'm sorry. Or the Knicks, for that matter.

If you remember that championship. I don't know if you were alive there. We wasn't alive. Oh, we definitely didn't see that. We haven't... Me and Mesa... Me and Mesa... Yeah, me and Mesa, me and Mace,

yeah, me and Mace have, we're from New York, or I guess we're from New York. We've never seen the Knicks win a championship all life. We've seen the Mets, we've seen the Yankees, we haven't seen the Jets, we've seen the Giants,

and that's all. We've even seen the Rangers. Yeah. Never seen the Knicks. We miss that. In his career, DK Metcalf has been fined a total of over $98,000 for excessive celebration or unsportsmanlike conduct.

So he spent his downtime learning ASL and now talks trash in sign language. So how do you feel about that decision he made? I thought it was cool. Yeah. But they're going to find a way to find him. They're going to put somebody else, you know, like we see on TV doing all of that when the president

is talking. They're going to have somebody sitting next to Goodell telling him what he's saying. I agree with that. It depends on what he says, right? I agree with that because there's two ways you can get far with that. Because you know what?

That was a great point. Oh, I like that because you know what? I've seen several, not even one, two, three, I've seen several occasions, and I'm not putting Metcalf in this situation. I'm just saying that I've seen several occasions where it's emergencies going on and they got a sign language lady there that don't really know what she's doing. And then they go to the governor, like, how does she get the job? Like, cause real sign language people will be like, no disrespect.

They might sign language, but they'll be like, yo, how did she get the job? And I'm like, we just didn't do enough homework. So I agree with you. I think Roger Goodell will have to have somebody keeping an eye on Metcalf because it's two things. He'll say something slick with the sign language, or he won't do it right, and they'll be like, you're being disrespectful to people who need sign language to communicate.

So I agree with that. They're going to find a way to find him one way or another. Hope they don't, but I'm just saying it's inevitable almost. They shouldn't even find him. Maybe he's bringing more people to the game. That would be my argument for him as a football player. I'm celebrating with those that couldn't hear. Well, it's what he's saying that's going to matter.

That's what's going to tip the bucket. I agree with Cam on that one, too, that it's what he says. He's going to get out of line at some point. Hopefully he doesn't because when he was naming the five wide receiver, I was saying DK Metcalf. It's hard not to have him in the top five. Well, I was saying DK Metcalf, man, it's hard not to have him in the top five. Well, listen, man, oh, let's just go back

to what we was talking about a few minutes ago. His first thing is standing on business, sign language. Just standing on business off the jump. Okay. I give it to him.

And last thing. No, you're good, OJ. Last thing on the topic of basketball, which is very random. Anthony Edwards says he would love to see Kevin Durant wearing his shoe during a game. Katie replied, you won't ever see me put my big toe in one of them.

So then Adidas replied and said, you dusty about to retire soon anyway. Then they deleted the tweet and then they said that tweet was meant for the burner account. Thoughts on Adidas response and everything in between. Well,

I don't know what, you know, of course, Anthony Edwards, a shout to Anthony Edwards, shout to Kevin Durant. Thing about it is this, why, of course, Anthony Edwards would love

for Kevin Durant to wear a shoe or anybody that he probably looked up to before he got in the NBA. I don't know what they want Kevin Durant to say, Kevin Durant to say if he signed a Nike. It isn't like it's the same company.

And he's like, yo, we're the Ant-Man's and it's a Nike company or they're both on Adidas. They're on two rival companies. So for Kevin Durant to say that, that just goes to instill a better check with Nike. Nah, I ain't wearing that shit. I'm from Nike, nigga. So whoever runs the account for Adidas is probably younger. They know we got somebody who's running the account, who's hip, who's in the loop. This is what companies do so they can stay affluent with these younger kids or people like myself who fly and know what the fuck is going on out there and I'm standing on business. So

that's who they have running their account. But you see it got erased because if they were standing on business, they wouldn't have erased it. That's how I feel about the whole shit. I don't understand why Adidas even got into it. You know who wore the first Adidas

football shoe? Oh shit. Don't tell me it's um you know who wore the first Adidas football shoe oh shit oh shit oh don't tell me it's my man oh Oklahoma the first Adidas first Adidas football shoe ever I used to wear the Adidas soccer shoe but it has a cleat in front

that's really illegal and because I was a track guy I was always dealing with Adidas, free track shoes and stuff. They decided to make a football shoe. I used to always say, why don't you guys make a football shoe? Why don't you make a football shoe?

And the first year they made them, Earl McCullough, my teammate, who was a high hurdler and had the record at one point, was on our record-breaking relay team. Bob Hayes and a guy named, a white guy named Richmond Flowers, who

played for Tennessee football and ran track. I think his father was governor at one point. We were the four guys that wore Adidas football shoe, the first football shoe that they came out with. Just a little history.

I'll go with that. The more you know. Now we're going to... No, that was dope. We had to write down with a lot of this shit that you started on the first part. No, seriously, I know we joke around and we got

back and forth, being in differences of opinion on different things. And we shouldn't all have the same opinion. But what you bring to the show and your history that people try to sweep under the rug is remarkable. And I'm happy that you do have a platform, not saying that you don't have your own, but somewhere outside of your own to remind people of all the great stuff that you did as an athlete. Yeah. I appreciate it, man.

I appreciate being on with you guys too. I enjoy it to no end. Thank you, man. My quick thoughts on the Adidas comment. I just feel like I don't even understand what the point of that was because I don't even know whoever tweeted it, if they're still working.

Cause there's no way the company approved that. Cause why would you say that? But yes, OJ is always a pleasure to have you on the show. That's all the time we have for today. Thank you all for watching. And as always, it is what it is. The more you know.