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Mace and Cam. Killer was good, man. Man, leave a time murder, man. I like that. Like that drink right there. What's up, man? How you doing? Good, man. Yeah, man. Louis Vuitton murder, man. I like that. I like that drink right there, man.

What's up, man? How you doing? Good, man. Good. That's what's up. Good to see you, man. You too, Stat. Good to see y'all too. And today we are joined with our analyst, Maurice Claret.

Mo was good, Mo. Mo, what's happening, baby? I see something in the shirt. I see something already. I see something. the shirt. I see something already. I see something. Oh! The mother load. The gallon.

The family bottle. That's the family. Oh, I need that. Send that to Ma. Clap them cheeks. Send that ASAP. That nigga broke without the family bottle to drink. Yeah, get strong. Wife, you better be there.

Don't go do nothing else after you sip that. I tell niggas all the time, Mo. You already know I tell niggas all the time. Do not drink that and go hang out with your mother. Have to go to the mall. This is not a one of them, you need six hours. This is a 11 minute reaction. Wink.

Wifey nearby, man. Shirt is fire too though, fire. My man. Yeah, yeah. Who booked me for this? Yeah. Hey, well listen to me. This is for those who still get active.

Yeah, yeah. I'm happy those who still get active. Yeah. I'm happy you came home, man. I got two kids under five. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. Listen, you was on another team. You came back home, man. I'm happy, man. Yes, there we go.

There we go, bro. I appreciate you. Thank you, brother. Always. So let's get into the game. Indiana lost again to Boston, this time 126 to 110 halliburton had to leave the rest of the game early due to a left hamstring soreness so one what is you guys's thoughts on game two and what happens if halliburton remains hurt. Maurice first.

Yeah, I don't know about y'all, man, but the game to me just looked, I don't know, boring or it looked like just a traditional game. It wasn't nothing exciting, you know, and I kind of got scared for Boston looking ahead. So I think Boston's going to end up winning the series, be it that, you know, Halliburton is down, he had to leave and so on and so forth, but I started to look forward and think to myself

that when Boston was up in the second quarter and Indiana couldn't score, they couldn't put them away because they allowed Indiana to basically come back later on in the game. I thought to myself, I was like, man, if this happened to be Minnesota or Dallas, these guys

might be in trouble because they got a little bit more star power on both teams who could basically widen the gap pause and just make Boston basically not as competitive. I don't know if I said that right. I said it kind of jumbled. But in some way, I also looked at the game and I was like, man, I see why the NBA does a good job of marketing superstars. Because when I looked at the game, like I seen Jalen, excuse me, Jalen Brown contributing, but he just didn't pop off the screen. Or there was nobody on Indiana's team who popped off the screen. And I was just finding a hard time just kind of like just trying to watch the game, to be honest with you. But I'm happy Boston won.

I want to see those guys transition to the finals. But it just made me think about just so many other things that didn't have to do with the game per se. That's interesting, Mo. So you're saying 40 points didn't jump off the screen for you? No. Like, when I looked at it, I don't know. I guess I thought I was going to see more out of him and Tatum. And I know Tatum struggled in the first half.

But his 40 points, it didn't seem like a dominant 40. I don't know if I just got done watching Kyrie, and Kyrie looked more mesmerizing and more theatrical, or just that game I was comparing the two. But it just didn't seem like – I don't know, I was sitting there watching it, and it was like, it looked like more organized, come to half court, you know, jumping the set, and, you know, it just looked like just traditional basketball.

It didn't seem theatrical. I don't know if I'm looking at Ant-Man so much, and I'm seeing, like, him being dynamic and getting to the bucket and shooting jumpers and talking crazy. I don't know if I'm attractive to that piece, but the game yesterday just didn't, I don't know, it just didn't, I don't know, it didn't feel like a New York game when they played the Pacers and everybody was happy for it.

That's what I'm saying. That was wild. You said a lot of wild things, but we're going to let that go today. You said Kyrie was mesmerizing. What does mesmerizing mean, Stack? Can you look that up? I feel like it caught your attention, but I can get you to do that. He said Kyrie caught his attention?

No. Is that what he said? When someone is mesmerizing mesmerizing captivating fascinating wow mysterious way that makes you want to keep looking i think that was a good choice of words murder reaching early in the morning murder trying to catch a vicar eight in the morning man you're trying to catch a niggaicky at 8 in the morning, man. You try and catch a nigga with a McMuffin.

Pause. Yeah. Man, this series is over, man. They weren't going to beat Boston with Halliburton. So if Halliburton. So if Halliburton is out, this is a foregone conclusion. This is going to turn into them type of blowout games that we saw. What series we just saw that was like that? Denver and Minnesota. This is going to turn into that without the comeback games.

I think if they let them get up, they already up 2-0. They win the next game, more than likely they'll be done with them in five games. I don't see them going past five games. It doesn't seem like they're going to have enough firepower to keep up. Pause with Boston. Boston, too many people are playing well at the same time. Derek White is playing good. Now you got Drew Holiday showing up every game with his contribution.

Batman is doing what he's doing. And you got Tatum doing what he's doing. And God forbid if they get Porzingis back, it's really going to get ugly. That should be the real question. Do you think Porzingis back, it's really going to get ugly. That should be the real question. Do you think Porzingis is coming back for the finals? Because they're going to need him in the finals. He's definitely coming back. They said he's coming back after this game.

They said he's only going to miss two games of this series. But the way it's looking, he might as well just keep resting. Oh, yeah. Mates pretty much summed it up. And the thing that I'm looking at more than anything else, first of all, Indiana, you're not going anywhere without Halliburton. You wasn't going anywhere with him. I totally agree.

And these niggas ain't durable out here. These niggas, whole fucking league ain't durable. None of these niggas can play fucking through 82 games in the playoffs. They're fucking not durable. The way he walked off the court didn't look too bad, but will he be ready for game three? I'm not sure. And even if he's ready for game three, what percentage will he be at?

30%? 40%? 50%? What would it be? That's that for Indiana. I agree with Mace. If they don't get swept, I can't see it going past five. Secondly, agree with Mace again. It isn't even about Tatum and Brown. When you got Drew Holiday shooting six from seven from the field, When you got Derek White shooting over 50% and everybody else is contributing, that's the dangerous part

because we know what Jalen Brown or Jason Tatum could do. And when Porzingis comes back, it's just going to be even worse. I really may have said everything that I would say, absolutely, but I really think the key pieces are the players around the two superstars, Derek White and Drew Holiday, Al Horford, and of course, Porzingis if he comes back. But like Mace was saying, it may be, like how he was saying, maybe that they're figuring out that Jason,

like how he said maybe that they're figuring out that jason that jaylen brown should be batman like mason saying and and you're saying tatum should be robin yeah right i've never seen robin make first team though jaylen and batman don't make no team so i just don't understand it but that's his philosophy that batman is not on any team, but Robin's first team. Yeah, sometimes they get it wrong, you know. And when they win, it's always obvious who's out front. You know, when they win the significant games, it'd be Jalen Brown out front. He won the last game and Jalen was out front.

But this is the one that count. Rob Markman This the one that really put them up. You know 2-0. Rob Markman So Robins first team, Batman's not no team. And then you get like they got the road. Rob Markman They had Wimby at the top of the 25 teams and we all disagree with that. You know?

Rob Markman It's politics. Rob Markman It's politics. He got the complexion for the protection, you know? I'm not disagreeing with you. You hear me, Mo? He got the complexion for the protection. Wait till it get crazy.

We gonna see it. We gonna see it. We saw it last year. And the year before that. Well, actually, to be honest with you, people have actually approached me and said, yeah, I think Mase is right. I'm not going to lie to you about it. People have approached me like, man,

Jalen Brown probably do need to be Batman. So I'm talking about people actually approached me and said that. You know I wouldn't even say it. I wouldn't lie to you about it. Just tell you anything. I prefer to tell you that niggas told me that you was crazy. Yeah, when Tatum is out front, the team is not as aggressive. That's what I'm speaking to.

And when they're trying to win a championship, you need dogs, like people who really get it, like Pauls. There's times when Tatum, he goes crazy on KD, but if he was playing against like LeBron or somebody else, he may shy away from that a little bit. You consider Jalen Brown a dog, though? Just actually. Yeah.

I don't consider him even one of them dogs like that. I don't. And to your point, this is me I'm talking about, and maybe I'm not saying they're not all-stars or potential superstars. I'm just saying, like, a nigga would be like... Or maybe not a dog. A better two-way player. Pause.

Okay, I like that. A better two-way player. I don't like the word dog for certain niggas. I don't get that really. Like, Ant-Man is a dog. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Jai is a dog. Some niggas is just better two-way players.

That's exactly what I was trying to see, a definition of dog. But back to you, Mo. Yeah, Sprewell, Jordan, them type of niggas. Yeah, I don't get that from either one of them. But back to what you were saying, Mo, I kind of totally agree with you. This series is kind of going to be boring unless you're just a basketball player and like basketball like myself. I'm going to watch it. But it's not like if Boston played New York. It would be all type

of hostility. It would be all type of memes on Instagram, on Twitter, on TikTok, on Facebook. It would be war outside the stadiums and the stands just because of the history of those two cities when it comes to sports, not just basketball, baseball, football, whatever have you. Boston and New York genuinely don't like each other. When Boston was going to the next round, before the Indiana series and the New York series was over, they were outside the stadium saying, fuck New York, fuck New York, fuck New York.

the stadium saying, fuck New York, fuck New York, fuck New York. The series wasn't even over yet between Indiana and the Knicks. And they was already on that. Yeah, fuck New York. And I'm like, this may not go their way because New York may not be making it. And it didn't. So I get exactly what you're saying, Mo. And then it's just great basketball to watch if you like basketball, but it's no tension there.

It's no animosity. It's no pushing. It's no, you got a problem with somebody. You know, the Indiana New York series got chippy, man. So did the New York series with the Sixers. And what you're saying about Ant-Man is true. You know, I got into an argument with Sin. Of course, he told me he spoke to you the other day too.

He said y'all was talking for a minute. He telling me because Kyrie got the best of Ant-Man that Ant-Man shouldn't have said something and show respect. I said, how do you talk to your player on the floor? If me and Mace is guarding the two guards, and I see Mace, Paws, keep backing up off, if we play against Steph Curry and Klay Thompson,

me and Mace, which we're too short to even compete totally. I'm just saying if we were. And he's backing up off Klay Thompson like, no, no. I said, yo, Myrtle, why you not on there? Nigel showed him a little respect. What is that? What are you talking about? Yo, you can't even use that word in basketball

unless you not playing. Like, nah, niggas got to respect them. Don't get me wrong. You know if you're playing against a good player and what you got to deal with. Not what you do. You don't use words like respect. You just be like, nah, I'm going to give him two feet because if I got a cushion, then I could play him this way.

I could play him that way because he's good going left or he's good going right or his mid-range. You don't use the word, I gave him respect. I don't. I just don't like it. And what you're going back to earlier, what you were saying, Mo, is that we're seeing that in the Western Conference. Whether it works out for Edmund or not,

he's not shying away from their assignment. He called Kevin Durant old. He was like, what the fuck is this thing? Who's this disrespectful nigga? Then he sits there, calls Kevin Durant old, and then they end up sweeping the Phoenix Suns and then after that game he says yeah KD my favorite player growing up everybody know

that but I'm going to use this for material when we go to Olympics and talk shit how he swept them that's what he said then when he plays against the Denver Nuggets he says yeah last game I put Jamal Murray in handcuffs nigga he couldn't do nothing the second half nigga handcuffs, nigga. He couldn't do nothing the second half, nigga, handcuffs.

Then after that, end of game six against Denver, Minnesota, and Denver I'm talking about, he says, I told them motherfuckers they were going to be back for game seven. I already told them that shit. Then after game seven and they win, he tells Charles with the new slogan for the Timberwolves, bring your ass. Pause. I ain't been to Minnesota.

Bring your ass. Now that's a slogan that they're using. And he says, yeah, my next assignment, Kyrie, we're going to see what I'm able to do. I like all that. Because you know why? Not saying that Kyrie wouldn't have got the best of him either way. And listen, it's a series.

We'll see what happens next game. Not saying Kyrie wouldn't have got the best of him either way, but when they interviewed Kyrie after the game, Kyrie said, yeah, I used it as motivation because I was just sitting there watching it. So we may not, not saying Kyrie's not gonna shortchange us no night, but that's one of them nights when you're like, yeah, I got this, throw me the rock.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So without that, we may not have got the Kyrie we seen the other night. Yeah, I got this. Throw me the rock. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Go through. Without that, we may not have got the Kyrie we seen the other night. And that's a fact. Yeah, and then we may not get Kyrie. Pardon me. I'm thinking before I'm speaking. Speaking, pardon me, before I'm thinking a little bit too fast.

But let's say Ant-Man gets the best of Kyrie two games next, next two games. Now you got Nick Sermon. I just had to figure it out. Yeah, yeah. That's all it took. I just had to figure it out, ain't nothing. I like all that, because that brings out competitive shit some more.

When you're saying that you're just seeing regular boring basketball with Boston and Indiana, I get what you're saying. I'm not gonna be that disrespectful and say it's boring, but it's not any larceny. It's not any anger. It's like two boxers who fight each other, and they're cool with each other.

After the bell ring, they give each other a five on the way back to the corner. I don't like that. Yeah. I don't like that. And what you're seeing is Ant-Man antagonizing every team that he plays and wants the problems. Yeah. So a lot of people is like, I don't know what's wrong with Ant-Man antagonizing every team that he plays and wants the problems. So a lot of people is like, I don't know what's wrong with Ant-Man. He stepped out of his face trying to disrespect Kyrie.

He one of the hardest players to guard. Ant-Man, not only did Kyrie look good, Ant-Man looked gassed. He looked crazy. It's funny because I see Rip Hamilton the other day at Bronny's Pro Day in L.A. And I said, yo, Rip, we was just talking about you yesterday. It was the day after we was talking about him. I said, they gave all the top five defensive players the forwards and centers, and I was explaining to them that it's very much so underrated

how much these guards got to chase Steph Curry or not just chase Curry or regard him when he gets the ball or Reggie Miller or somebody like you. And I was just bringing that up because I seen him and we was talking about it. He said, yeah, Cam, niggas had to get on the treadmill fucking with me all day, every day. I'm not going to stop moving.

I'm saying, yeah, we just said that they need to give wing players more credit for the job that they do. But I get it Mo, the point being is, I understand totally your perspective about the Eastern Conference and what's going on in the Western Conference and I agree. Not to the point where I'm gonna call them niggas boring, but I get what you're saying.

You like, yo, nigga ain't gonna throw an elbow or nothing. Like, yo, it's quiet, it's quiet, it's too polite. I was thinking about like, this is the post LeBron, post KD, post Steph era. And up until this point, we've had like exciting playoff basketball. Chippy and you've seen other stars emerge. And I'm pretty sure the NBA is like, man, this is what we've had exciting playoff basketball. Chippy, and you've seen other stars emerge. And I'm pretty sure the NBA is like, man, this is what we was looking for.

And I guess now that you're getting a little bit closer to the championship, I thought you just would have seen something else, right? And then I kind of jumbled my words, but even when they were – they scored like eight points in the first, I don't know, eight or nine minutes of the second quarter. Nobody was angry. Like, nobody was, like, nobody on Boston was trying to kill him and put him away,

but nobody on Indiana was also trying to say, like, man, give me the rock. And I was like, man, that's kind of, you said it in a more, you know, a more cleaner way, but that's kind of the point I was making. I dig it. I dig it. And then, real quick, to Mace's point about Jalen Brown being Batman, a lot of people actually have been starting to agree with you. I dig it. And then real quick, to Mace's point about Jalen Brown being Batman,

a lot of people actually have been starting to agree with you. I have been seeing that take. And then to your point, even though he doesn't have an all-NBA first-team selection, this could be the little revenge tour because he did tie his playoff career high at 40 points. And then people are seeing him kind of bring that back up when Jason Tatum's starting a little bit slow. So it is food for thought.

I don't really know where my stance is on it yet. Got to continue to see more games. But we will see. My stance on it is you the highest paid player in the NBA. You should be Batman, nigga. Nobody gets more money than you. You have the biggest contract ever, Jalen Brown. You better show up.

$325 million? Ridic, nigga. It should be Batman, Superman, Auto Man. Man, man. Whatever man pores you can be, nigga, for $325 million, I need you to show up if I'm the worst percent franchise. I need you to show up if I'm the worst-in-the-franchise. I need you to show up for that price. And then as far as Halliburton, basically earlier in January,

he missed 10 games due to a left hamstring strain. So this is concern for the Pacers because that is the same injury that he might have now. So we'll see what happens. Game three, hopefully he's okay. But if not, I'm sure we'll see the turn happen very, very quickly. Okay, and then moving along, the Cavs let go of head coach JB Bickerstaff on Thursday.

He led the Cavs to conference semifinals and won 99 regular season games in the past two years. Do you guys believe they made the right decision in firing head coach Maurice first? Uh, I don't, um, it made me think about, uh, what's his name? I think it's, uh, Adrian Griffin, uh, up in, um, Milwaukee when they let him go. And I just said to myself, um, you know, I don't, I know the Bucks had a winning record before they let him go for Doc Rivers, but I said, I don't know what more would you have to do than go to the game right before the conference finals with the team that you had. And like, I don't understand how you get fired.

And I can kind of see how like some dudes are not even like, you know, black head coaches, be it football, basketball, whatever it is, they just don't get measured with the same grace or whatever word it is as white coaches. But to me, it didn't make any sense. I said, Dan Gilbert tripping again. I know he has health issues. I don't know if he runs a team or if who's ever run the team, but I didn't obviously see them firing him, and I just don't think it was warranted, just my opinion. Wow, that's deep.

Pause. When you say that about the ownership of Cleveland, do you think – I heard Stats say something to the effect that 99 games, he won 99 games. Yeah, regular season games in the past two years. In the last two years. That's not a lot. Even though we are really looking at bigger staff as a celebrated coach

before this time, 99 games in a regular season is not a lot. That's pretty much like 49 one year, 50 games another year. That's pretty average. But he was responsible for turning that culture around. I can say that. And he gave them their first. They should give him credit because he gave them their first playoff series when post-LeBron, right?

So that got to count for something. He definitely changed the culture, but when she said that 99, that really stood out to me. What do you think about that, Mo? Do you think 99 games is a lot? No, I think it's average, but there's a lot of people who's average. I'm not justifying it as a reason to stay around, but you don't go on a playoff run.

Obviously, the Cavs must have seen something else that we didn't. That's why they got rid of him. But I don't think you get to the game right before the conference finals no difference than Adrian Griffith. I don't know if it's Andre or Adrian. I don't know if I'm butchering his name or messing this up. I'm pretty sure somebody would tell me. But, yeah, you don't know if I'm butchering his name or messing this up. I'm pretty sure somebody would tell me. But, yeah, you don't win.

I think he was having a winning record prior to them bringing Doc Rivers in. I just don't see how that would make sense. If somebody's producing, somebody's doing something well, somebody is functioning above what all these other teams are doing, I don't see how you get rid of them. And then I ask myself, who are you going to get rid of them for? Like, what are you going to bring in? I think for the Cavs, it was missing pieces on the court and not necessarily him.

And two years ain't a long time. Or over these last two years to judge somebody off those 99 wins, I don't think that that was a, I don't know, just my opinion. Yeah, I really, after listening to you, it really confirms something I've been thinking a while, and that's that black people don't get to be average. I don't know if people really know that. If you get a seven, and let's say seven is a requirement, and somebody non-black get a seven, they're probably going to give it to the other person that got the seven. get a seven, they're probably going to give it to the other person that got the seven. Black people have to overachieve.

And I say black people as I'm one of those people. I know Cam said he's not black, but I'm one of those black people. Rob Markman, When did I say that? Rob Markman, What did he say? He's not African American. It was one of those statements. I'm not African. Are you African?

I'm not. You missed his ancestry test. I forgot what you said you were, but. Are you African? Oh, that's Ramsey II. Yeah, Ramsey royalty. The third. The third.

That's what you are. I missed that. Are you African? I'm just wondering. I'm actually Egyptian. Okay. The third. That's what you are. I missed that. Are you African? I'm just wondering. I'm actually Egyptian. Okay. Is that black?

Colored. Oh. Okay. I'm black. I don't know what made you. I'm definitely not African, and no disrespect to nobody in Africa, but I'm not African. I'm pretty sure Jamaicans don't be what made you. I'm definitely not African. And no disrespect to nobody in Africa, but I'm not African. I'm pretty sure Jamaicans don't be like that, African.

Yeah. And Jamaicans. But they're black, though, right? Yeah, exactly. That's the point. You don't got to be from Africa to be black. Yeah. But Haiti, niggas is black, right?

Yeah. I might be Haitian and Egyptian. Guys, they going to lean on you. Guys. I might be Haitian and Egyptian Good They ain't gonna lean on you They ain't let them communities lean on you They ain't gonna definitely lean You said you was one of us Yeah keep it up Keep it up man

We'll get the emails tomorrow Yeah. Keep it up, man. You will get the emails tomorrow. No, I'm going to judge you. All right. They'll reach out, too. They'll definitely reach out. And then in three weeks, three months, they'll say you're not doing nothing for them.

I'm telling you, be careful. Be careful. He said he's one of us, but he never turned around. He looked up. Look, as far as him getting fired, I'm not mad at it, but I'm not happy with it either. He's over 500 the last two years. Won 50 games one season. Lost

right under 50 games. 48 games the second season. 51 wins one season. 48 games the second season. He kept them out the playing and kept them in the playoffs now. But I really believe, my personal opinion is,

I think that he's stabbed Dan Gilbert and them niggas, is looking how the Knicks are progressing, and it seems like they're kind of staying stagnant. Well, maybe he lost the locker room, or maybe it's some shit we don't know about, because last year, actually, the Knicks eliminated the Cavaliers in the playoffs to move on to the next round, the first round. And even though they made it to the second round, you know,

you got to think about it. You had Donovan Mitchell hurt for the last two games. He's a superstar, and the rest of the team just couldn't get it done. Even with Donovan Mitchell, I don't think they would have beat Boston. But somebody got to be the scapegoat. But the last thing I'll say, I don't really have too much to say about it. The NBA coaches get hired and fired all the time. But after we just see what happened to Homeboy in Milwaukee for Doc,

this doesn't surprise me. That surprised me. He nigga kicked the nigga out in the middle of the season with way over 500 and gave his replacement the all-star coach job. And then they said, no, I'm going to just give him that check. How much was it? $26, Doc? Like, come on, my nigga.

So I'm not surprised. I'm not happy with it. I'm just, it's the NBA. It's business. It is what it is. It seems like they're using the black coaches and their urgency to turn teams around. And then when the team get better,

they give it to a non-black coach, a white coach. Maybe they think. The Bayless niggas say, you speak that mumbo jumbo shit. They speak right. Whoop boppity boop. Word to mother. All that shit. Yo, they lit.

You speak all that lit shit. Get them niggas back in the locker room. Motion. You got all that shit yo they lit you speak all that lit shit yo get them niggas back in the locker room motion you got all that shit right all that lingo you got Riz you got the Riz

yeah man sexy Riz y'all wanna play that yeah get them back for us thank you and they definitely

use it niggas they ain the name i know definitely and then just real quick i actually feel like 99 games is pretty good because looking like just at you know the teams over the years average is like 46 47 like the fact that they're still above that I think is actually pretty good. I feel like they're jumping the gun a little bit, kind of, but I understand at least not wanting to be in the same position that you were in last year, just making the decision to move forward. But this type of change, it might hurt them in the future. So we will see what happens for them next season. Now we're going to talk about Ryan Garcia he failed his second drug test as news of his B sample came back positive for a banned substance does this change the view

that you have on Ryan Garcia Maurice first no um it I don't know I've seen him fight like everybody else. And I know that he used a performance enhancing drug, but nonetheless, he still beat up on Devin. You know what I mean? And I don't know how much this, whatever drug that he took, made a difference in regards to skill level, but he definitely, he dominated him in a way that I don't think anybody has seen Devin Haney get dominated. And I just asked myself, like, what could he have taken to, like, make his skill level seem that wide of a gap between him and Devin? That's just, you know, my opinion. So I don't know, I'm saying two or three things. It doesn't make me look at him differently in regards to that fight because I think, like, even without the drug, I think he still beats Devin Haney.

I think the strategy with him coming in heavier is the real reason that he had more power behind his shots. But I think all of this stuff after where Ryan was going on these, he went on the PDP podcast to do Patrick David Bett and these other platforms, and he was, I don't know. I don't know. Damn, I don't want to say this. It makes his personality feel like it's full of shit.

But the boxing in the ring, I kind of still respect, if that makes any sense. Like, I respect him from a boxing standpoint, even though there was a drug being used. I still think he would be the main thing. Get in here. Come in here, nigga. Get in here, nigga.

This nigga try to creep up on us. Yeah. Yeah, my bad. Rich Paul just pulled up. No. Yeah. Oh, just pulled up. Oh, Rich. No, but I think y'all know what I'm talking about.

Get the mic, Nick. Sorry about that, my guy. Yeah, no, I just, I don't think that they, I respect him. I think he beats Ryan Garcia, but it invalidates all the shit that he was talking afterwards where he was holier than thou and God blessed him with all this shit and all this other stuff and so I don't know it just it makes like his personality seem less legit

but I do believe the boxing piece of it I know I said that kind of in a jumbled way I'm pretty sure I'll clean it up later but I'll let y'all go um this is in a jumbled way. I'm pretty sure I'll clean it up later, but I'll let y'all go. This is interesting. When it comes to the boxing of Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia, I looked at this like something

after being researched that it seemed like that Ryan had got the best of Devin before that fight. And that Ryan had got the best of Devin before that fight and that even though it was split, the last two were kind of dominant. At least that's how people are trying to make it seem because I wasn't there. But when it came to this fight, when you say, does the performance enhance and change the skill set?

Yes, it actually does because it makes you faster and it makes you stronger. And pause, if you're doing anything faster than you normally would and stronger than you normally would, that changes the whole entire fight. That's the reason why they took home runs away because, yes, the guy could have made home runs without the steroids, but if he's taking steroids, then that's changing the whole entire home run series. I don't fuck with niggas on steroids.

I don't fuck with Canelo. I don't fuck with Ryan Garcia after he got here. Only time I support steroids is baseball. I can't sit there and watch six hours of the score 0-0 and nobody done hit a home run. That's the only sport I do support steroids. So baseball players, if y'all take steroids, I don't have a problem.

Cause steroids, what you gotta realize, what people don't realize with baseball is this, is no time limit and you can't score on defense. It's the only professional sport that you can't score on defense. So you'll be sitting there, my man, Larry baseball, I don't know how he does it, sitting there 22 hours, this is interesting. No, it's not.

It's four in the morning, nigga, nobody scored. And not only do you get Golden Gloves awards or whatever the case may be, now I don't like when you can't score on defense. So as far as Ryan Garcia, I don't fuck with you at all. Canelo, I don't fuck with you neither. You ate a steroid steak sandwich, right? Ryan Garcia talking about he took a ginger root and it just happened to be steroids in it

or whatever the fuck he said. No, I think I agree with Mace on this. And the fucked up part about it is that, like Mo said, though, you got beat up, so it's almost like you can't take it away. We've seen you get beat up, but the steroids help. And how many times didn't we catch the steroids? Let's do that.

What if they're not taking the test? You know Bill Haney going to be on top of that shit. So at the end of the day, it's different when you dealing with Bill Haney. It's totally different. Yeah, Bill Haney is like Don King and Al Heyman in one boss. Yeah, and not only that, he's also like fucking Muhammad Ali, man.

Nah, look who just walked in. Rich Paul walked past the window like he Omar from the wire. But nah, they just had it, niggas. Come on, then, come on, then, come on, man. Come on, oh, what is this? Oh, this nigga getting Hollywood. How this nigga want Hollywood on us?

Yo fam, you know when we shoot, bro. You ain't gonna tell America hello real quick? Do your freestyle. Do your freestyle. Do a freestyle and leave. Do a freestyle, man. You're the freestyling guy about your business, man. Go ahead, man. Do the freestyle. Do the freestyle. Do the freestyle. Do the freestyle.

Do the freestyle. Do the freestyle. Do the freestyle. Do the freestyle. Do the freestyle. Do the freestyle. Do the freestyle. Do the freestyle.

Do the freestyle. Do the freestyle. Do the freestyle. Do the freestyle. Do the freestyle. Do the freestyle. Do the freestyle. Go ahead, man.

About the Ohio business. Yeah. Hey, this Ohio business right here. Yeah, Maurice on the line, he said it's Ohio business right now. Maurice going right back. Business right here. He said. Yeah, yeah.

You got to put the headphones on. Hold on. You'll be able to hear him in a minute, guys. He says Ohio business, man. This Ohio business. Yo, Reese. Yes. Would you tell Cam and Mase who's your real friend, man?

They just met you. They just met you. And they doing the show. I did not just meet Maurice. I thought you was in Columbus with Chubby and them. So what are you talking about? Don't act like I just met Maurice. I brought him in because Ohio.

What you talking about? So you say you brought him in because Ohio connection? Yes. Yes. Yes. That's a fact, bro. That's a whole fact. First of all, I've never seen you support one Ohio State. Yes. That's a fact, bro. That's a whole fact. First of all.

I've never seen you support one Ohio State nothing. What? Are you out your mind? Oh, yo, bro. Are you bugging? So I ain't pull up on y'all in the pink range and Yat Town and everything else. I didn't do that. Yeah, but it wasn't in scarlet and gray.

It was pink. Yeah, but at the end of the day, that's what I need to do because that's what the girls like. That's what got the attention. You know what? I'm not going to argue with that. You can't. Because you did, hey, man, he did show up with the scissor. Yeah.

And he had the pink range. Yeah, pulled up on your block. You acting crazy. Talking about that. Me and Moby Ohio every week with this shit. What are you talking about? That's mad disrespectful that you acting like I don't stand on Ohio business. I didn't say that because you always shout.

But you were saying the Reese Claret thing is a little different because that's really my man, though. But it's really my man, too, for 27 years. I don't understand how that shit man is not my man. What year you met a man? Yo, Reese, do we – you know what? We're not going to go here on the air because, you know what I'm saying? Like, we're not going to go.

You don't remember? I have to be walking past. You told me y'all shot in the morning. How you tell me y'all shot in the morning? It's 10 at night. This whole time, you've been sounding Fugazi. This whole time, you told me y'all shot in the morning. Like, yeah, we're time. He told me, y'all shoot in the morning. Like, yeah, we're going to get you on the show.

We shoot in the morning. It's 10 at night. Air in the morning. That's what Tom said. Air at 8 in the morning. What are you talking about? 10-40. Yeah, we air in the morning.

We shoot at night. We air in the morning. Can you stand it straight? Yeah, yeah. All right. Yeah. All right. And tell them what you said about the album cover. Tell them what you said about his album cover. Yeah, let's talk about album cover. Go, go, go, yeah. All right. Yeah. All right. And tell him what you said about the album cover.

Yeah, tell him what you said about his album cover. Yeah, let's talk about album cover. Go Cam. No, no, no. Cam, I wanted to know, like, why was you in the fire with a leather jumper? I was trying to figure out what did it have to do with the songs on the album that you would have on a leather jumper and a welder's

gavel with the was that fire real? And then the biggest record was Horse and Carriage with fire. I don't know.

But anyway, it was hard. I didn't have creative control at that time, man. I had to do what the label said, man. That was crazy. And then he called me the day. Yesterday, no, that was the day before. Yesterday, you called me. I'm not going to lie.

No, no, no. You called me and was like, I was riding back from Chicago and you looked at the album cover. Nah, I was listening to Harlem World and I noticed that Mase had on a blank pro model. And I was like, you went

platinum. Why they got him in a blank and a cut off tee? I'm like, what was that about? I thought he said, you know. You a funny nigga, man. No, I was just wondering. Because in the interlude,

they had these girls on the skit. They said, this is Mase. Harlem world, yeah. But that didn't match with the outfit, so I was trying to figure out what happens to the big ball in front of Willie's. That's all I wanted to know. But you know what?

It don't matter because it was legendary. He definitely said that. He said, what happens to the shit in front of Willie Burger? He definitely said that. I'm just happy to see y'all. You know what? I'm going to get you a back brace because you carry these guys every morning. You carry these guys every morning.

And she do her thing. I appreciate it. I don't know what the problem is. I don't even know what this is. First of all, let me tell you something. And Maurice will co-sign this just real quick. Just so you know. Every week, they're both from Florida.

Me and Moe is from Ohio against Florida shit every week. Yo, Moe, am I lying? Like, yo, you come in here and disrespect my love for the city, for the state like that, and I go against these two every week on some Florida against Ohio shit, and you just come shut my whole shit down. I've never seen that cameo. Yo, this is wild, bro.

I know it's in the songs and everything, but it's, you know. Forget the song. You see me, nigga. You see me. I know. I see you. I got no gripe, man. You know, y'all my guys.

We talk all the time, offline. This ain't about the show. I love to watch the show. Y'all my guys. We talk all the time. Offline. This ain't about the show. We talk. I love to watch the show. Y'all my guys. That's why I was happy to see y'all here. I'm like, damn, I'm getting ready to go to dinner. And look who it is.

They're supposed to have me on the show, and they sneaking and doing the show. They didn't know I was going to be here. See what I'm saying? Bro, you're welcome anytime. It's your platform, just like it's ours. You're always welcome. If you got to go, then you got to go. If you're running from a conversation, there's some lyrics.

Let's have a real conversation. Okay. A real conversation, though. Okay. Because you be doing that. We starting. Here we go. Here we go. Let's go to break and come right back.

Okay, good. Yeah. Break. We will be right back. Pink Horse Power. She call this thing about toxic. we will be right back pink horsepower she call this thing about toxic what's happening baby baby

what's happening why you walking like that that's how that's how I walk and then like you come on breathing on me like that I fucking breathe to live and like

you used to be dark skin and now you act like hella light skin you fucking blind I'm dark skin what fuck? And then like look at your beard. The fuck is wrong with my beard? Your beard looks stupid. What the fuck are you talking about? No, I don't even like it. The way you breathe in all of that. Has this ever happened to you? Your girl seems to be mad, angry, upset. She's frustrated. There's only one way to handle that. Pink Horse Power.

But your breath! But your breath is really refreshing! No, no, no, no, no. I'm just trying to give you a massage. Plus, have I told you how good your beard looks lately? It looks so good. No. PHP.

It works every time. Wait, where are you going? Welcome back. Now let's get into our Underdog Fantasy Picks of the Day. Tonight, the Mavs will play the Timberwolves. Underdog Fantasy has Luka at 28.5 points. Do you have him higher or lower? Mace.

Higher. Higher. Okay. Tyrese at eight rebounds and assists. Do you have him higher or lower? Cam. Combined? Yes. Higher. What did you say again at eight rebounds and assists. Do you have them higher or lower, Cam? Combined? Yes.

Higher. What did you say again? Eight rebounds and assists combined. Oh, higher. Okay. And Anthony Edwards is at 27.5 points. Do you have them higher or lower, Mace? Higher.

Underdog is giving this money away. That'll be higher. Yeah. Okay. Download the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too we're joined back with the founder of clutch sports rich paul and our analyst maurice clarette yeah rich so rich just came in we gotta we gotta get to some a few things because he got we're making him late for his dinner appointment yeah obviously why is lebron j James better than Michael Joy?

Hmm. Yeah. It's a real conversation. You didn't say real. You said you want to have a real conversation. What makes LeBron James better than Michael Joy? Listen, man. I mean, okay, if you're talking about the best player, I'm taking LJ.

If you're asking me, even though he got more clutch buckets than anybody else in the league, that's what Mike did best, right? You need one. We have this topic all the time, and everybody's going to have their opinion, which is fine. But I just think LJ played the game in a way in which not only did he make everybody better, I mean, the guy has 40,000 points, in addition to making everybody else better. Now, we know what our culture came up off of.

I mean, you know, we watched the commercials when you watched Mike game. You didn't really take a break. Damn, they need to pamper because you already used the bathroom when Mike was on. I get that. But for LeBron to do what he did coming behind Mike. Hey, yo. Pause.

I know we on the. I know we on the. I know we on the. I know. I know. That was legendary. I know. That was crazy.

Nah. That was wild. Welcome. First That was crazy. Nah. That was wild. Welcome. First ballot. Nah. Yeah, yeah. But LeBron to do what he did and have to come behind the production over the years of Mike and what he did for our game.

It's just, it's a testament to who he really is, man. And I know everybody at the barbershop talked, and I can't tell you who your GOAT should be. I'm just saying, for me, when you talk about the best player, it's LJ. You know, when you talk about the best sc best score then it's Mike and then and and you know there's a little Kobe conversation there as well so in my position obviously people gonna think I'm biased but obviously I actually know the game as well so you know we could talk about this all day long, but in all seriousness, I just think that when you talk about

all somebody had to endure and then to persevere, and not only to persevere, but to persevere and transition, right, all while carrying the weight of the expectation and the want to fail I think that's just a tougher task man and I think we have to

we have to salute that now you probably won't salute it while you know nobody ever wants to give you flowers while you're still in the game right y'all been a part of that for sure but You know, nobody ever wants to give you flowers while you're still in the game. Y'all been a part of that for sure. But we understand what it looks like, and we can break that mold to give somebody flowers while they're still a part of the game. And so, and I'm sitting here this summer getting ready to negotiate another contract, you know, at 39 years of age.

And so I don't really want to get into the back and forth about it, but obviously, you know, both of those guys have done an unbelievable feat for our league. But with LJ, it's just, think about the social media era, right? Everyone has a voice. It's only like three guys had a voice. And what they said, for all we know, what we know now could have been manipulated, you know, or whatnot.

So it's something that, again, it's a great topic to have. I'm actually tired of the topic because I appreciate them both. And we never had you on the show, and I know you probably get beat in the head pause with this question all the time, but for our audience, we wanted to ask you again. Yeah, no, I understand that. I understand that. And I don't run from it because, like I said, I, you know.

Right. The times I had to speak with Mike on the business side, he knows the appreciation that we all have for him. No question about it. It's undeniable. But at the same time, I think we got to get out of the mindset of expecting somebody in their moment to do what other people did and judge them based upon them doing what someone did before them.

Mike did what he did, so LeBron could be him, right? Mike don't expect LeBron to do, you know, he paying homage by wearing the number and things like that. But that don't mean you got to play for one team and you got to hit a game-winning shot in the finals and you got to do. No. That's why we all born different.

But there's an understanding and a respect factor. No different than when you guys, when you was coming up and you had to hop on certain records with guys, and you knew, like, okay, I'm going to bring my A-game. That's because you respected the guy that was going to be on the song with you or whatnot. And so I just, you know, we come from a different era, so we know how to give people they respect, but also, you know.

Demand ours. Yeah, demand yours. But I love them both. That's good. That's good. One question I would ask is, how do you plan to get LeBron and Bronny on the same team? I don't.

You don't? No. No. I don't plan for that. Look, I think when you look at, first of all, I think there's, we can't sit here and act like nepotism didn't exist prior. So they want a young man to apologize for who his father is. Can't do that.

And we also can't expect for a father not to be overly excited for the journey in a very positive way of his son and all he had to endure and overcome. I think we've seen America be built on the backs of someone's father building something and positioning themselves for the long haul based upon what the people before them built. It is on them to enhance that. I think oftentimes athletes get talent and business confused.

And what I mean by that is it's very seldom talent becomes an actual business don't confuse talent and making a lot of money with business a revenue generating business that's not that's toyota that's the ford family yeah that's the rothschilds the rockefellers you know their entire family tree has benefited from what someone built for them. In this case, you know, you have a legacy that was built that has now transitioned to business. But that comes few and far in between. There's been very few guys to do that. And to expect an apologetic approach for that when we've been viewed for so many years to be absent as black fathers, in addition to, if you wasn't absent,

not having nothing to stand on. So we're not going to be apologetic for that. But at the same time, we're also going to welcome what comes with being an athlete. Opinions come with being an athlete. And Ronnie, just like any other athlete, can't run from that. That's part of it, especially in today's society. And when you add the other elements to it, his name, who his dad is,

et cetera, then, again, it's going to be a little bit more opinions or criticism, critique, whatever you want to call it. But again, he's handled it with grace. And I don't want this, you know, red carpet, or I don't want this sympathy. No, we don't want that. I mean, obviously, you know, the scare that he had from a medical perspective, that's a real thing.

That's a human thing. That's a real thing that, by the grace of God, he was able to come back from and actually still play a sport. So I'm not going to, you know, we're not going to play with that. But as far as a basketball player, when you're going into a world where it's a 24-7, 365 opinionated news cycle, then that's what comes with it. So that's okay.

Yeah. And with the question you talked about the Forbes family and things like that, do you think one of the sons have to perform very well in the NBA in order to keep that legacy going? Or can it be done outside of basketball? No, I think all these young men have to quit putting so much on themselves to conquer Rome in a day.

That's not what you're trying to do. When you are an NBA prospect, none of them are ready tomorrow. All the guys getting drafted this year, none of them are ready per se. Some have a better foundation than others, but we see a guy like Nas Reed who was undrafted. But look what he's doing. Look what he's been doing all year, six-man of the year, and look what he's doing in the playoffs.

Fred Van Fleet was undrafted. He's been an all-star max player. I don't think the focus is that. I think the focus is for you to be able to, the way I approach it mason is i try to position guys to have a head start in life now obviously brian is in a much different position because again he's coming from a richness which most kids don't come from but he also loves the game and so he's not allowing that to affect his love and his work ethic and his drive and things like that for the game.

But Bronny aside, guys coming into the league, man, you're trying to position yourself to get a head start in life. Once you get there, your approach, your professionalism, your awareness, your wherewithal to understand the business around the game of basketball and that you're probably not going to play this game for 20 years. Some play six, some play five, some play 16, but there's other facets of the game and the business around the game that you can align yourself with while playing to give you a longer run. Like when y'all was coming to the game, if somebody said, hey, yeah,

this thing gonna start rapping, but you could end up being the head of Sony Publishing where you bring it home a $10, $12 million bonus based upon the company's overall performance annually, you probably would have looked at it differently. But we was looking at going platinum, getting the advance, coming you know 145th street because that's what our culture said we should be doing and so we got to educate all these

young men in a different manner now because the game is layered it It's always been layered, but we always had a viewpoint that was surface level. So because of that, we did surface level things, right, which allowed us to be talent, and what talent really has, they have a high-paying, good-ass job for the moment, right? Yeah, I get it. And we have to understand that. And once we understand that, it didn't allow us to have a better perspective.

And once you gain that perspective, then you know, like, this is for the moment. So I'm not going to make lifelong decisions based upon a moment in time. That makes sense. That was really good. Rich Paul, 2024. You should run with Trump. You're good.

The boy is good. The boy is good. I almost cried. Yeah, so cut it out, Marta. The boy is good. I I be up here fighting. Rich, Rich, Rich. How dare you attack me? You don't know what I be fighting with this thing about. You one of the ones, Rich. Nah, I appreciate it.

Nah, nah, Rich. Don't attack just one of these ones. They be... I fight for y'all niggas in here. You don't even know how much he hate on you, me, me, and I. Nah, nah, nah. It be crazy. Nah, I'm not going to say Mase hate on... I ain't going to believe that. Oh my God.

Not hate on me. I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I don't even know how much he hate on you, me, and Ohio, it be crazy.

It be wild. I'm not gonna say Mase hate on, I ain't gonna believe that. Not hate on me, I don't believe that. I don't believe he hate on me. It's objective, you know, you gotta be that objective voice. I'm glad niggas hear niggas copping this plate. I'm glad niggas hear. No, I ain't copping no plate, nigga.

Nick is in there shaking his head. I'm glad niggas hear that. I'm glad niggas see. Yo, Nick, you wild, Nick. That was wild. Side question. So the Ringer released its top 25 players under the age of 25. We know that Victor Wembyama is at the top of the list. How do you feel about him being number one?

I think Ant's number one. You know, I think Ant's number one. Just based upon body of work, obviously they're both the number one pick. If they're basing it off the potential, then obviously Wimby has an unbelievable amount of potential. But currently today, if they're saying who you want to start a team with, then you could also make that argument too. But I think the work that Ant is putting in night in and night out you know the growth he

showed over this last year um the way he's played the game on both ends of the floor and and and although he can score whenever he wants becoming that willing passer and making teammates better you know for for me, I would probably put him number one. I think he's earned that. That's not me giving him that. I think he's earned that. But Wimby's only had one year.

So, you know, these lists and things like that, I don't really rock with these lists and things like that because you got a lot of guys making lists from a cubicle. Damn, that's what I said. You know the thing about it is- And I said and was- You know what I'm just telling Rich son, you know how when somebody's not really right all the time, they gotta express that they're right?

That's something. Because if somebody's right all the time, doesn't need to be like, yo, didn't I say that, yo? Every three days when he're right. That's something. Because if somebody's right all the time, doesn't need to be like, yo, didn't I say that? Yo! Every three days when he's right. You see what I go through with this guy, right? This is a 30, this is like 40 years I've been going through this.

I go through with my close friends too for 40 years. Who does that every time? Didn't I say that? For 40 years. You're paid to do this. You can't hear when I say it. You know,

somebody always got to come from out of town and say what I say. If you were here to hate on Ohio on this show, I'm telling you, man,

it's bad. I'm going to start saying it in the classroom. Ain't no hate on Ohio. We the heart of America. You can't hate on Ohio, man. Exactly, man. Our nickname is

the heart of America. You cannot hate on Ohio. That's how it is, too. That's how the Florida is. And by the way, if you ever watch the men who built America, you think about Carnegie, J.P. Morgan, and Rockefeller, it all traces back to Ohio. Cleveland, for a matter of fact. But that's a whole

another conversation. Hey, Mo, before we get Rich up out of here, do you have anything else to ask him? I don't have anything to ask him, just more statements. He probably knows I'm sitting on the other side of this camera super impressed. He's

a real nigga through and through. He represents Ohio very well. I'm biased towards LeBron being the greatest. I told you all that a few weeks ago. But more or less, probably the way I view LeBron has a lot to do with Rich, Mav, Randy, and everybody. Rich would tell you I was there when all that started,

the nucleus and what they've developed into. And just to see it, just to see how he talked now, see where he started. I love him even more. When I was in prison, my man T-Hoss came across the prison. It was like, yo, Rich, want to go on a line with you? And it was beautiful to talk to him on the phone in prison on Christmas Day about 2008. So I always got a special place in my heart for my man. But it's impressive, bro. It's impressive to see where they take it. They took it. I said it a few weeks ago. I think that the James family is playing a different game. I think what they're doing is bigger than basketball. And just to see everything that's been built in that ecosystem for me, understanding where it started and when dudes are just getting together and just where it's developed to them, it's a great representation of Ohio and understand all the stuff that the motherfucker avoided and how everybody and where they at now, it's impressive.

So I don't really have a question, just more or less just giving him his props, giving him his flowers and, you know, just what it is. I just continue to root for everything that they have going on, and it's fun to even see Bronny and him. Now he's going into his phase. I can remember, you know, walking across campus talking to LeBron

when he was talking about Nike offering him $90 million. Now just to see where it's at now, like $90 million is kind of chump change to him now. It's just a beautiful thing to see. Thanks. Thanks, Reese.

And, you know, he's right. He was there with us. That's the craziest thing. Like, I tell them stories like I was there with LJ and Maurice Corrette. You know how crazy that was? It was like, you know, so but I appreciate those words. 90 million ain't no chump change to me. So I don't know. Not to me. So I don't know. Not to me.

I know what you're talking about. Not me. I just wanted to clarify that. Because I'm still out here. I'm still grinding. That's what I'm saying. But I got a question for y'all. No, but you know what I'm talking about, though.

No, I know. I know, Reese. No, for sure. No. I got a question for y'all. Look, I tell like this, too. It doesn't, I don't feel any way about anything with anything. I'm up now.

So me being up, I feel great about life. And it's all love all the time, bro. Everything in life happens for a reason, brother. Like, you know that. You know that. And when I used to talk to you when you was down, those are conversations that we will have. No, you're good.

It was when you turned your head. Oh, okay. Yeah, those are conversations that we will have. So I think as you grow as a man, you start to become more appreciative of just life's journeys, the ups and downs of it all. I think we're all under construction every day. So just trying to, just trying to help ourself get better. But I got a question for y'all, man.

I sent y'all my clutch new balance stuff. I haven't seen you, my apparel. I haven't seen you wear it one time. I know you got the Louis on, cost 6,700 for the jacket and all that. I got you. You know, you sent it to my New York address. You ain't send me none of Vegas. Now here you go. Tell us how many spots you got.

I know how many houses you got, bro. Like I know you got multiple residences. I know y'all got multiple residences. I'm gonna make sure that we, are those your sneakers too? I got the purple ones. I got the purple ones. Five purple.

Are those your signature sneakers that you have on as well? Nah, nah, nah. Nah, these ain't it. This part, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, I didn't get in. You didn't? No. I'm not going to say on the air which address I sent it to, but we know the city and the state that it was in. I'm just saying. I can only send it to where y'all tell me to send it to. When I get back to New York in two weeks, it's hot out, nigga. We're going to do it right.

We're going to style, nigga. 40 deuce, nigga. Nah, I love. But nah, this was great. It's impromptu, but this was great. One question. I'll give you a multiple. Go ahead. You got another question. No, no. This was great. We's impromptu, but this was great. One question. I'll give you a multiple. Go ahead. You got another question.

No, no. This was great. We ran over time and everything, but nigga, this real nigga shit, you walk in my life, you about to shoot the shit up. You got to come in and everything. You can roll by a mass slow. I saw him. I was like, is that Rick?

I said, yeah, that's Rick. Last thing. You can do one or the other you could do one or the other. Tell us one or the other. Is LeBron staying with the Lakers or give us six bars? Nah. Yo, brother, no. Listen, we ain't about to do none of that.

You know my bar game is strong. You ain't got to worry about that. And I'm not talking no basketball business. It is what it is, man. Like- Listen, that's why I gave you an out. I gave you the out. Nah, you didn't give me an out.

I gave you six bars. You gave me one or the other. Like, that's not an out. That's a trap. Don't send me no more bars, bro. Please, don't send me no more bars. I knew you wasn't gonna answer the first question. I tried to get the bars on the show.

America, can I get a solo real quick? America. I'm thinking about to make this realistic. In the last four months, he sent me about seven and nine freestyles via text. Via text. I'm talking about, and they was hot. I was impressed. I said, Rich, who's writing this shit for you, man? I don't got no time. To the point where I promise you, I swore on everything I love, that he sent me something one day, and I said, is this nigga coming at me? I felt the way, because he kept sending me shit, and then

he sent me shit with my name in it. I'm like, oh, he's free. I had to send him murder. I had to send the nigga back a voice note. I said, all right, now niggas is playing games. I sent him back a voice note with his name in it. And then you see what happened.

You went and made a joint. That's what I was trying to do to both of y'all. That's what I was trying to do to both of y'all. That's why I be trying to inspire. I know y'all don't got to rap no more. There's nothing about this. No disrespect to them. Rob Markman You were inspiring them?

Rob Markman Yeah, I was trying to inspire you too. That's why I put on the group chat. I'm like, yo, this may bring forth something. You know what I'm saying? Rob Markman I told you, this nigga has the most personality pause I seen in a minute. He raps. He's a comedian. He's a sports agent. or something. You know what I'm saying? I told you, this nigga has the most personality pause I've seen in a minute. He raps.

He's a comedian. He's a sports agent. He's one of your niggas. Like, this nigga is all well-rounded, bro. Yeah. And as much,

and real quick, on a serious note, you know, I know we've known each other for a long time and we've always haven't bumped heads in the last 15, 20 years.

But same thing Maurice said, just watching you guys grow and pause and become the men that you are. Because like you said, y'all guys was in high school. I remember coming to see LeBron with my man Buck from Akron in 11th grade and the fucking gym was around the corner. And just to see your whole team grew with Clutch, with like he said, Randy, Maverick, especially you, you my nigga.

I just want to tell you guys, I'm proud of you because y'all my little brothers and to see where y'all are at now, it's just amazing. And the one thing that I'll say is this, this is the last question I want to ask. When you're in a position, Paul, as Rich Paul, and I know you wore different hats throughout the years with LeBron James,

and I try, this question is for somebody who may be around me, around Mace, around somebody with money. How do you become an asset to make yourself your own person? That's a great question. Because one thing, just the thing about it is, my thing is I always use you guys as reference to my niggas. Because my thing is, if I don't want to do this tomorrow, can you survive?

Right. If I don't want to be here and do a show next week, will you survive? If I don't want to come do this show anymore, will you survive? If I don't want to fucking sell paint, how are you going to make yourself an asset to build a foundation to where you survive

and using me and not saying in a bad way? No, no. I think it's a great question. That's a good question. I think for me, it's exactly where my mindset was at, which is why I built the business, which is why I actually built several businesses because you guys is the talent.

Y'all don't owe us anything. And the position next to you has an expiration date on it, right? Because you can only carry somebody so far. That was never my intention. That was never my want. An opportunity is given. It's up to you to be able to the yow is what I call it. You know, there's the yak in the NFL, which is the yards after the catch. It's up to you to run the yards after the opportunity. You can't give me the opportunity and run down the field for me.

That don't make sense. Now, in the industry that we're in now, it's a detriment, me being in the position I am, because you got other representation groups that says to other people next to the athlete that look like me why would you why would you align with rich why would you you know have him represent this person we can make you him you know this is the this is the cards that they're using right now and i'm saying but wait a minute Everything you're trying to do, I got that on DVD.

I got it in Braille. I got it now in AI, you know, because I got it. I got it on DVD. I got the tape. But there's not a line down the street asking how to do this, how to build a business. And more importantly, there's not a line down the street asking, forget how the success

aspect of it what were some of the things you did wrong that's the most important question to ask and so to have an opportunity which we had which I was given

it's one thing to build businesses that if LeBron retires tomorrow, my business don't stop. I'm not retiring, you know? Right, and that was the question. Yeah, I represent, as a company, we have over 400 athletes. Just in the NBA, we got 60-plus players, right? I didn't make it about him.

I'm appreciative of an opportunity that was given, but you don't owe me anything, just like you guys don't owe the people around you anything. There's an ecosystem that comes with talent. Find a lane and perfect and star in that role. That's what makes the team win. You see Jay McDaniels, he's starting the role, helping the Timberwolves win.

Derrick Jones, he's starting the role, helping the Dallas Mavericks win. Derrick Lively, he's starting the role. When he rolls, he ain't looking to score he looking to catch it didn't spray because that's helping the team win and I think oftentimes the talent you get around the talent and it's like you get confused with the fact that you have a role to perfect, right? And there's no entitlement ego can kill any successful execution to be placed on the journey. We're in this position because there was no entitlement ego, right? I thank the cow for the

little milk, but at the end of the day, I wasn't going to sit there and be okay with that when I got an opportunity in front of me. I know what the other side looked like. That's easy, and for some that don't, I think that's also a detriment to them. Because when you know what the other side looks like, I'm looking at this like, you know, this is nothing but an opportunity. And so for me, that was my mindset. And that's why I didn't name the company after me. I wanted to build a business. I wanted to build a brand that's now today globally recognized. And I think it's important for all these young guys around, whether you're a barber, whether you, you know,

you guys need barbers, chefs. I said this on Gil's show. There's an ecosystem out there. Now, are you going to get rich overnight? Probably not. But are you going to have a consistent uh income probably so and that's all you can ask for right it's not meant for everybody to get rich that's not that's not that's not realistic and and and you can't eat them likes and comments on social media

that ain't feeding nobody either and so you just gotta so you just gotta do like we used to do at Granny's house. Find your place on the floor and lay down and lock in right there. You know what I'm saying? That's extremely important. So Rodney Lou, Cam and Mace kidnapped me. They made me do the show. I'm on my way

right now. Huh? I'm leaving. Six in the morning. That's why I'm coming right now. I'm leaving six in the morning. I'm coming right now. Yeah, I got to get back to pre-draft.

I hear that nigga through the phone with Ronnie Lewis. I'm coming to you right now. Yeah, I'm coming to you right now. Yeah, I'm coming to you. Cam, would you tell him, would you tell Ronnie Lou? Yo, Ronnie Lou, man, we got him chopped off.

We about to let him out right now, Ron. I'm coming. Yo. I made it through the phone. Okay, all right. Well, this was a great conversation, especially with all the animosity in the world. I love that you guys can support and applaud each other.

Rich Paul, thank you for being here. Mo. Maurice. Maurice, thank you for being here. No, thank you. Sorry about that. No, thank you guys. No, this was, even though it was impromptu,

you know, anytime I get a chance to share your platform, something that you guys built. It's better like that anyway. Yeah. It's better like that when it's spontaneous. Mo, we're going to have to bring you back on Sunday to finish up our shit that we got to finish talking about the topics we have for today. But Ohio outnumbers Florida today, man. Big buck our shit, nigga.

Big buck our shit in the building, nigga. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's all the time we have for today. Thanks for watching. And as always, it is what it is.