IT IS WHAT IT IS - RYAN GARCIA SHOCKED THE WORLD & ROY JONES JR SAYS HE'S THE GOAT! | S4 EP.1

Episode Date: April 23, 2024

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Welcome back. Thank you, man. Thank you for letting me use your shit. Just letting me use your shit. For me, pause. You know what I'm saying?

I'm happy I'm back. I missed you guys. Missed you. It's nothing like being in the know what I'm saying? I'm happy I'm back. I missed you guys. Missed you. It's nothing like being in the studio, so I'm happy that I'm here. Yeah. And before we start, you know, so I've been on a little vacation,

and I was thinking about it, that Mase's last two assistants' name is crazy. His last assistant's name was D. King, and his new assistant's name is King and his new assistant name is me I don't want to disrespect me cause I'm forced that's my guy but the last two niggas you've been rolling with

one nigga name is D King and now you with a nigga named me Demetrius I knew him all these years and I never knew never I never knew that I never knew that that's my nigga

Demetrius what up D that's my guy man it's how you roll though oh you back every time I see you scrolling I know you got

something it's cool man I thought I just that's my way of saying hello I miss you scrolling. I know you got something. It's cool, man. I thought I just, that's my way of saying hello. I miss you. Hello. That's what's up. Well, welcome to the first episode of season four. Today, we have a special guest.

We are joined back with Roy Jones Jr. Roy Champ, what's up, baby? Roy, what's up, man? I'm good, man. How y'all doing? Good, man. Good to see you, man. Thanks for joining us post-fight, man. Mace had a little emergency last week,

so he chimed in and caught up on everything you said. So we're going to dive right into the fight, if you don't mind, Steph. Yeah, so let's discuss the fight. Ryan Garcia beats Devin Haney by majority decision. Did the fight turn out how you guys expected? So, you mind if I start?

I just want to start by saying, Roy, I'm disappointed in you, man. I'm really disappointed in you, Roy. You're a boxing analyst. He started off wrong. First day, you come fuck with us. You give us bad info, Roy.

You give us bad info. First fight with us, you gonna throw us some bad info. Now, I know what you gonna say, Roy. You gonna say, I told you about the left hook. You did. You definitely was talking about that left hook. But you picked Devin to win.

You got me looking bad in the streets, baby. Yeah, Colt Cam looking crazy. Yeah, Colt Cam looking bad. I came in today, Paul, to talk about that Colt Cam. Yeah, Colt Cam. I was going on 40-40. What do you have to say about this, giving us this information that Devin was going to win,

and he didn't win? Well, you told me to give you a winner. I really did think Devin was going to win the fight because I wasn't sure where his head was, where Garcia's head was. But I said in another interview, I said Sunday morning, he'll either go down

as one of the smartest guys in history or he'll go down as a guy that needs help. And it turns out he went down as a smart guy because he knew exactly what he was doing the whole time. He made Devin kind of play a little guy because he knew exactly what he was doing the whole time. He made Devin kind of play a little bit low-key, like he wasn't really serious because there was an interview that I watched before I even left to go to New York,

and the guy said, I saw Devin ask, he said, I don't even know if Ryan's taking this fight serious. That bothered me. But because I'm a Devin Haney fan, I used to train Haney first, so I had to, I'm not going to go against what I taught'm a different Haney fan, you know, I used to train Haney first. So I had to, I'm not going to go against what I taught. I taught Haney at 16 years old.

So that's my man in a sense, you know what I'm saying? So I'm just not going to go against my man because I trained him. So how can you go against a guy that you work with? So with that being said, I was never going to say, well, Ryan going to beat him. No, I'm not going to say that. But what I was telling you, that's why I tried to come back to you now, but you got to be careful because Ryan has a really good left hook,

and Ryan knows Devin very well because they fought six times as amateurs. That's what I was trying to tell you. You say you can't switch sides. I'm not switching sides. I'm just letting you know that there is a possibility because these guys know each other better than I know that they know each other. Right. Yeah, Roy, let me start by saying when I first started rapping, I was that they know each other. Right. Yeah, Roy, let me start by saying

when I first started rapping, I was the Roy Jones of rap. You'll hear that in one of my classic freestyles. So, you know, we're linked for a long time on that. Great salute out to you and all

you were able to accomplish in boxing. And I'll start with this. If you trained Devin right, my first question I must dispel is that people say that they fought six times in the amateurs. Were you there for those six amateur fights is where I want to start because I'm going somewhere today. Yeah. No, I never was there.

I never saw one of the fights. I didn't even know they fought one another until I got to the fight this week i had no clue that they had ever fought before i just met devon in vegas when i had a gym in vegas uh back about five years ago and he came and we worked out a few times probably about a month maybe three weeks to a month we worked together and that really was about it so that's what i knew i never knew him by before when he fought ryan i didn't know they even had fought before yeah and the reason why i asked that because i that really was about it. So that's what I knew. I never knew him before when he fought Ryan. I didn't know they even had fought before. Yeah, and the reason

why I asked that, because I did some research, Killer, and they said that though they fought six times, a lot of people are saying that Ryan won most of the fights when they were young.

They were close, but they said when it came time to get hurt or a standing eight count, that that was Ryan getting the standing eight counts on Devin. And they said when they came to the pros, Devin just thought he was better. You know how you grow up with somebody, you had them all the time, and you get to the pros. And this is how it was said to me.

Now, I'm a Devin Haney fan as well. So I'm definitely not throwing no shade at bill or throwing anything at um devon because i'm still team haney i want him to recover from this and do very well but as an analyst when we went back and did the research the countless people were at least like seven people told me the same story that that he he beat him pretty much like four of the six. So when he came into this fight, he always knew that Devin couldn't hurt him

and that he could hurt Devin. What would you say to that? I kind of felt that too because since they've been professional, Ryan always had more professional punching power than Devin did. Ryan's left hook has always been very significant. And he told me he really learned from watching me through a lot of times.

And his left hook is very similar to mine. So that's why I was trying to tell you all that day, though I was a Haney fan because I worked with him before. I love all guys because a lot of guys look up to me, so it's hard for me to just take a side. And I had to take Devin's because I was definitely a Haney fan. I was definitely a pro Haney because I worked with him. So you can't just go say, hey, you work with the guy,

but you're going to turn on him. No, you can't do that. But I did want you guys to understand that this was not going to be easy because if they fall six times as amateurs, they know one another far better than I know they know one another. They know exactly what happened. We don't, but they do. Yeah, and another thing I would like to share is that when I watch athletes train,

one of the things that I would suggest for Devin just from afar is that he doesn't come to work in a Rolls Royce. Like, it's hard to be motivated when you're around, like, such luxurious things. When you're training for battle, you got to train in battle and tough terrain. I mean, could you say anything to that? Yeah, I can say a lot to that because that's the only way that I do it. You know, I have a gym of my own here in Pensacola, and it's on my farm. And these guys, you know, they see chickens walk through my my gym they see all kinds of stuff going through my gym because I don't make it plush because like you just said when you're preparing for

battle you should be in a battle situation I think Devon has learned now because you see what the situation is that you can't take nobody lightly and you have to take every training session like this uh like you're training for war if you're not training for war then you're not really preparing yourself right. Because when you're out there, that man is saying it's you or him. And I think we kind of feel shortened up a little bit. So what you're saying does go back a long ways for me.

And that's the only way I would ever do it. Yeah, once I saw him show up to the hill in a Rolls Royce truck, they're running on the hill. I said, this is going to be a hard fight because it's a certain mindset. You got to have the go into things. And another another question that I had about the fight was and this is not

throwing anything on Ryan, but it's definitely something that we can see as people. Do they test? Do they test athletes for drugs after the fight? No, I think they test them for performance-enhancing drugs. Things that could enhance their performance. I don't know that they test them for, what do you call it, freelance drugs or what do you call it? For cocaine. Yeah, yeah.

That's what I was that's what I was picking up I said he's definitely on something I didn't know what it was

but my my eye like Cam say got past the eye test from when he went like this to Mike Tyson and Mike Tyson

looked at him like this I said yeah Mike know he's hot we don't need this isn't a sugar this isn't a sugar coated show was he on cocaine yeah was he on cocaine I thought he was Yeah, Mike know he's hot. This isn't a sugar-coated show.

Was he on cocaine? Yeah, was he on cocaine? I thought he was on something more than cocaine, honestly. You know, like when you're coked up, you don't think nobody can hurt you. That's how he was fighting. He was like this, let's go, let's go. Yeah. A lot of guys do.

I've heard a lot of guys doing that and getting away with it. I don't think. Get up. I don heard a lot of guys doing that and getting away with it. But I don't think. Get up. I don't think they ever sniffed cocaine. Yo, Roy, do you know niggas who sniff cocaine before the fight? Is that what you're saying? Do you know cocaine? I've heard that people have done it.

I don't know personally, but I've heard they've done it. All right, Roy. We can go commit a crime together now. Because all that's telling me is that you ain't telling on nobody. I ain't see it. I don't see it. If I ain't see it, I can't see it. But I've heard it.

You know a cocaine addict when you see one. Florida too. Yo, boy. Now I got three Floridians. Yo, boy, listen. You know a cocaine addict when you see one. Have you seen somebody from the neck of the eye, whether you've seen them use it or not use it, when you look at somebody,

have you been around this sport a long time or maybe been in sparring or fighting or just in the gym and you be like, nah, he's on cocaine. Have you ever seen that?

Yes, I have. Okay, that's what I'm saying. I knew it was something that was controlling Ryan and you know, I'm a fellow advocate of religion and God and all that, but when he seemed so out of control even

when he was talking, it was like Bernard Hopkins was behind him like, stay focused,, even when he was talking, it was like Bernard Hopkins was behind him like, stay focused, stay focused while he was talking. Yo, fam, in between round 10. Keep it straight, keep it straight. Yeah, you're right, y'all, 100% right. In between round 11 and 12, Derek the Trainer had told him, sit your ass down.

He was bugging, talking to the crowd. He was wilding, bro. And listen, I don't want to put that on nobody without actual facts. Yeah, I'm not. From a clinical place, it's either he was on drugs or it's something mentally need to be adjusted. But either way, it was something. My thing is this, and I'm not going to say that either because this is what I'm saying. And I could be wrong

and you could be right. I'm just telling you from Cam's opinion. Is that he knows how to utilize social media. That's why he has the following that he has. He knows how to manipulate

social media. So, wherever we see, we may not know if it's an actor, if you're not around them. Now, if people are around them and saying the same things, and maybe you have inside sources, I know. I'm just saying, cool.

Because me, I don't like to put pedophilia, rapists, snitching, and drug abusers until I know the facts. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because once you're there, that's where you're at in my brain. Yeah. For life. Okay. That's. So that's really good. That's good, because what I'm saying is from what he said. Well, remember when he lost when he lost the tank, he was talking about his mental health.

Now he got to take his mental health serious. Do you remember that stat? So I don't like when people hang on to mental health when they lose and then um I was trolling if they win now if you're gonna say you got mental issues we're gonna definitely take take soft gloves to deal with everything but if you if you're running out there going crazy when you win on that same campaign we got to draw the line I mean, we're from the draw the line era. We're not in the draw the line era. I'm just saying for me. So that's where my comments are coming from.

I agree with you. If you say you're mentally disturbed and we're going to give you the peace and all that, you don't get with me to come back and say you're smoking on a Devon Hanny pack. Well, what I'm saying is that we've just seen this in basketball. No disrespect, not going, what is that? We've seen Ben Simmons saying he's going through mental health, and then next year it's a back nerve. So this is what I'm trying to say.

I don't really know what niggas is playing with, and I'm on the same ship you are, and I'm in the car. I'm just saying we're in an era where morals don't always count. Yeah. So, boy, let me ask you a question real quick. Sorry to veer off. And, you know...

Okay. Yeah. Do you think that this has anything to do... And look, I'm not on that bandwagon to where you lose a fight and you fire your trainer. Or... Yeah, I hate when people do that. do that yeah like you know uh arrow just did it and and deontay wilder got rid of the nigga and but

but just asking you do you think roy that he needs to get away from bill and just to learn different things because bill been training him since he's five six and i know bill took him around the country to fight in different parts of the country whether it's Baltimore whether it's New York whether it's you know New Mexico all these different places he took Devin as a teenager to fight different places but do you think it has anything to do with the training and would you switch trainers if you were Devin Haney? Well, that's a very tough question and I really have to be careful

how I answer that question because I'm a Bill Haney fan as well. Bill has been up for a long time. He's family here. He's friend of the show. Bill has been up for a long time. Bill has taken Devin all over the country. Bill has done a lot. So to say that he should fire Bill is not really the proper thing to say for me

because I would have gotten to where he's at now if it wasn't for Bill. Right. Now, if Bill said, you know what, Devin, I think I've taken you as far as I can take you now. I'd like to bring someone else in that has a little bit more knowledge to help both of us go a bit further. I think that would be a very appropriate thing to do. He probably could bring in a better trainer or

somebody that's more knowledgeable that he can coexist with and make him keep going. I think that's a beautiful thing, but to just fire Bill, no, I wouldn't do that because Bill bought him to where he is now. If it wasn't for Bill, you wouldn't be in the Ryan Garcia fight. You wouldn't be one of the youngest

disputed champions of the world. You don't just go out and fire a trainer because things don't go fight. You wouldn't be one of the youngest to be the champions of the world. So you don't just go out and fire a trim because things don't go right. You may go out and add to the team or cut loose some of the things you don't need and get more things that are necessary because what we do is when we lose, we start to evaluate all the negative

or all the things that could have gone wrong. I don't think Bill was necessarily the one thing that went wrong. I think it was probably a lot of things adding up to that and a lot of things around the situation outside of Bill because Bill put the team together from the beginning. Bill drove the ship

to where he is now. So you can't just say, oh, Bill messed up. No. Bill did get the ship this far. Now Bill has to find a way to add something else, a new dynamic to the team to help the team go forward from here. Yeah. Yeah, that was a good question, Cam.

And it was something I would have added to that. I think he could bring some people in. But when I look at the fight, the two fights that Devin Haney looked like he was not in the fight or didn't fight the right fight, was against Lomachenko and against Ryan. And both of these times, to me, he didn't fight his fight. He fought something that tried to make him the aggressor, and he doesn't have enough power to be the aggressor, to be stalking anybody or walking anybody down.

Does that make sense, or am I bugging when I say that, Roy? No, that makes total sense. But with Loma, he did a good job of walking Loma down because he made Loma, he took Loma out of his gang because he was so much more bigger than Loma. And he really did take Loma out of his gang.

But Loma did show some of the faults that he had, like in that level round, Loma had the best round of the whole fight. He just didn't do it but one round. So that kind of exposed that Maybe he wasn't as strong as we thought he should be Or where he should have been But they would have to take that

And collectively go back to that round and say Hey, what went wrong here And do we need to address this issue Because he won the fight It made him say, you know what, we're cool We got past it, let's keep moving And that happens sometimes too So sometimes To get better, you got what, we're cool. We got past it. Let's keep moving. You understand me? And that happens sometimes, too. So sometimes, you know, to get better, you got to take a step back.

Now he's at a point there to get better, they have to take a step back, realign the wagon, and then come back forward again. Yeah, because I was thinking from Lomachenko to Regis to Ryan, each time it seemed like since that time, he became a brawler, and that's not how he got here. That was my assessment. Yeah, you're right there.

So let me... I didn't want to interrupt. I'm not actually talking about this last week. So let me ask you this. Haney wants to run it back. To me, that doesn't seem too smart right now. This, Haney wants to run it back. To me, that doesn't seem too smart right now. And Ryan said he's not coming back down because he can't make that weight.

What do you see for both of them next? Not in the future, absolutely the very next thing for both of them. What would you recommend? Well, boxing is a crazy sport right now. And to be honest with you, people want to see Ryan go back and fight Tank Davis without a rehydration clause. Tank was small. He put a rehydration clause on Ryan

because I guess they're all aware of the size advantage that Ryan has when he blows back up. I really wasn't aware of it, but now I understand why he put the rehydration claws on him. They want Ryan to go back as big as he gets because apparently Ryan gets pretty big. I know Devin gets pretty

big, but Ryan got bigger than Devin did. And those three guys helped him get bigger than Devin did. So, that being said, with Ryan being the puncher that he is, you got to figure out a way to either take the punching power from him, or you got to find a way to outmaneuver him during the fight. Now, key thing that

Devin did... Hold on real quick, Roy, real quick, because I want to elaborate on something you said before you answered the question. What do you think about that? Because when fighters are fighting at 140, and they balloon 20 pounds up the next day, what do you, how do you feel about the rehydration clause, at 140 and they balloon 20 pounds up the next day.

What do you, how do you feel about the rehydration clause? And do you think that it should be implicated more or you just say, hey, that's the way it's always been. If somebody balloons up to 20, 25 pounds in a day, so be it. I just want to touch on that. What do you think about that? Sorry, I'm old school, and that's why I always accredited myself as pound for pound the best, because

20 pounds, 15 pounds, 30 pounds, I didn't give a damn. You understand me? Everybody had a boxing technique or skill set that I had. So for guys who don't feel like they are equipped to handle that, they have to put in these rehydration clauses to make themselves equivalent in the fight,

to make the fight kind of more equal or give themselves a better playing field than the other guy. For me, I didn't care. I want you at your best. So if you're better 20 pounds heavier, please put those 20 pounds on and come on back to me. And let's talk about that. You know what I mean? I won't talk about it. Let's work with that.

Because whatever makes you be the best you, you can be. That's where I want you at. But nowadays, as we see, people are different. Boxing has changed. Everything has changed.

Landscape has changed. Like we just said earlier, we're from a different place than these people today are. So with that being said, guys now know how to take the rehydration clauses and play with it

to keep themselves closer to the same weight so that they don't win at a disadvantage uh me i didn't care about this i thought you going around with me period you was already at a disadvantage so but that's that's me that's the way i know that's the shit i like to hear that's the shit i like to hear right there i need you whatever's gonna be the best you yeah okay whatever's gonna be the best you. Yeah, that form. Okay, whatever's going to be the best you for this ass with me. Yeah, we don't want no excuses.

That's what I want. But I'm sorry to interrupt you answering the question. I just wanted to see how you feel. So you was in the middle of saying that a lot of people want to see Ryan go back to tank and without hydration. Yeah, without the hydration. Because

if you put up 30 pounds, that's your advantage. You should be, if you can put on that far and you put up 30 pounds, that's your advantage. You should be, if you can put on that far and go back up that much, that's your advantage. You got to work hard to get down and make that weight. And then you got to go back up that far within 24 hours. So if you can do that, then you should be allowed to take advantage of that. If I can do that, you can't then.

You may be not as good as I am, or maybe you should be fighting another weight class lower than where we at. But if you're in my weight class, don't tell me how much I can go up if I make weight. Now, the fact that he didn't make weight, that's a different story because he kind of, a lot of guys take advantage of that, too. They know that they're bigger than the other guy, so they come in heavy on purpose so that they can have a three-pound jump to start with. And they know both of them will go up 20 pounds, but he may grow up 23 pounds now because he had three pounds to start with

over Devin. You know what I'm saying, man? And that's obviously a factor if y'all don't match up skill for skill or pound for pound is power. You know what I'm saying, man? Ryan already definitely had the power advantage. So if they were the same weight or Ryan could be bigger than Devin, it's definitely going to work to Ryan's favor because, like I said before,

Ryan was always a better pro puncher than Devin was. Ryan is actually a better pro puncher than most people with the exception of Tank. But Tank felt like he couldn't rehydrate as high as Ryan could before the fight, so he put a rehydration clause on Ryan. Like I said, that probably had a

little bit to do with it, but people want to see what happens if he doesn't have a rehydration clause. Do they fight at 135? Do they fight at 140? Ryan said he can't make 140, so he definitely can't make 135. So if we see that fight happen, it'll have to be a catch weight, which will be above 140, and Ryan does not need a rehydration clause because apparently it takes away from Ryan. So what do you think for Devin

next? Devin got to go to the drawing board because he got to fix a few things. One of the things that he has to fix was he knew just like Tank knew that Ryan is known for a left hook. You don't allow Ryan to hit you with a left hook at all. And I got a cousin that don't box

and he came to me right away. His name is Tony. Tony came to me right away and said said you know what I worry about Roy? I said what he's a lot of times when Devin jabs his right hand is it down or it's back too far And that's gonna expose him to Ryan's hook as he did that spirit deadly That's very dangerous cause the Ryan's hook is his best weapon and true Lo and behold that was the first thing he dropped Devin with Devin stepped in with a big jab, put a head back, and the hook caught him. And that's crazy that my cousin, who don't box, but he's been around his whole life, so he does no boxing.

He literally picked it out right away, and that's the first thing that happened. And that's scary that it happened like that because I figured that we all know that Ryan has a left hook. I mean, you don't let Ryan, okay, how much you weigh, how big or how small you are, like Tank said, you don't let Ryan hit you with the left hook, especially early. Now, to Tank's credit, you got to know this too. You have to see how guys lose and how they win. Tank came in the first two rounds, he just moved around. He didn't engage with Ryan.

Why? Because, you know, Ryan's ultra powerful. Ryan has a takeoff design in this world. Ryan is a very explosive puncher, especially with the left hook. So he gave Ryan two rounds to get some of the energy off him. He just stayed around,

moved around the box, grabbed him when he got close. When he figured out a flaw in Ryan, by the third round, then he exposed that flaw and he got Ryan real quick and got Ryan down. That kind of took Ryan out of the fight

because it shocked Ryan. Devin, on the other hand, he didn't do that in Ryan. He came right out and made a macho thing with Ryan and you can the fight because it shocked Ryan. Devin, on the other hand, he didn't do that in the ring. He came right out and made a macho thing with Ryan and you can't fight with your macho. You got to fight with this. And I think that might have been

the biggest mistake we made. Yeah, he got caught with a left hook first round. Yeah. And then he was just waiting for the left hook to rush his fight. That's one 30 seconds into the fight. Right.

That's why I say that's the biggest mistake he made. He didn't go out there and respect that left hook. See, what happens to us sometimes in amateur boxing, we have bigger gloves and headgear, so we lose count with the fact that this guy's an exceptional puncher. Ryan's an exceptional puncher, especially with the left hook for any weight class.

You understand? Ryan can knock out middleweights. Ryan can knock out light heavyweights with a left hook if you hit him because he has an explosive left hook. That's what made me be able to go out to the heavyweight division because I was explosive. When you're explosive, you can do things that normal people can't do. And with eight-ounce gloves and no headgear,

the left hook is going to be much different. So if you was able to give him an eight-ounce in the amateur with headgear and basically 12-ounce gloves, imagine what you could do with no headgear and eight-ounce gloves. So when you say, last thing from me, and I don't know if Mesa has one more thing.

When you say back to the drawing board, what does that mean? Take a tune-up fight? What's the plan when you say that? That means go up to the board, get your tune-up fight,

get somebody in and help you out with your punching situation because to deal with Ryan, you're going to have to be as explosive as he is or almost as explosive. Now, to Devin's credit, Devin could have stopped at any time in that fight.

He was not having his way and most times when people are bullied, can't have his way, he usually gives up. Devin didn't give up not one bit. Devin kept coming harder. He just kept coming. That's what you want to see. You know he got the inside. He got everything it takes to be a world champion. Now with the skill set, he got to go out and recapture some of those things

to bring that skill set up to match that heart. Because he showed you he has all the ingredients that it takes to be a world champion. He definitely has the heart. You know what I'm saying? Though he knew Ryan had a killer hook, he kept coming after Ryan. And that's very big for me because it shows that he wanted it that bad, and he left it all out there in the ring. He gave us exactly what he's supposed to give us.

You understand me? And that says a lot for Devin. So when I say go back to the drawing board, go back, tighten up a few things like the footwork on the left hook, the hand up with the jab. These are little things that need to be tightened up before you fight Ryan. If you go and get a trainer who understands those things, tighten them up. Then he

take a tune-up fight, make sure you got it together. Then you come back and fight Ryan again because you and Ryan are going to have the same type of professional career as y'all have as amateur career. Y'all fought several times in amateurs. If y'all play your cards right, y'all will probably fight several times as professionals. Yeah, y'all do play your cards right, y'all will probably fight several times as professionals.

Yeah, I really thank you for your insight. I think you need two more fights before you fight Ryan because he was just dominated too much. I know a lot of times the body recover, but the mind doesn't

recover as fast as the body does. Can you speak to that? Yeah, the mind doesn't recover as fast as the body does. Can you speak to that? Yeah, the mind doesn't recover as fast as the body, especially when you get outdone. But here's the thing. Did he really get outdone? Or did the left hook just prompt all that? Because, truthfully speaking, he wasn't getting beat in the fight.

He wasn't necessarily losing the fight until the left hook started landing. When the left hook started, well, the first 45 seconds, yeah, he got in trouble. But after he got beyond that, the second round and the third round, he did pretty good. Then I think he got clipped again by the end of the third or fourth round. Every time the hook came in, it took it back down. The hook was a neutralizer. If you take the hooks out, then he got caught with it. Especially one time, it looked like the referee was about to break him and ride through a small upcoming candle hook and caught him that he wasn't ready for.

So it was like if these punches don't happen, Devin probably wins the fight. You understand me? But the fact that those punches were able to land is what really catapulted Ryan to be able to get up on the next level and keep landing the hook at the right times to give him the lead. So about the last knockdown, I looked over and told a guy next to me, I said, well, that last knockdown probably just cost him the fight because he was doing good up until he would get caught and get knocked down.

Those knockdowns were the main thing that gave Ryan the victory. And if Devin could get rid of it, if you take those knockdowns out, Devin wins the fight easily. But the knockdowns do count in pro boxing. So, yeah, he needs two fights to get it all back together. Probably. He maybe can do it in one, but I would take two fights to get it all back together. Probably. He maybe can do it in one, but I would take two just to be sure.

I agree with you on that, Mason. You got to get somebody who understands and can help you be the best you that you can be. Because even the best you that you can be is going to struggle with Ryan because Ryan is the best puncher probably pound for pound in the division. Ryan can punch.

Tank is a big puncher. Tank gave Ryan respect for two rounds because he didn't want to go trading with Ryan because he didn't

feel how powerful Ryan is. So Ryan is one of the most powerful guys in the division. We have to understand that.

And understanding that, you don't rather just go at Ryan right away or that's what's going to happen.

Yeah. My opinion is that, and you're right, Roy, one of the judges had a draw. I had Ryan wanting to fight by a point.

Because to me, he won rounds two through six. And he won a few rounds after that. And those rounds in between the knockdowns, to me, he was winning on points. But like Roy said, the knockdowns was just too much. And to be honest with you, to be totally honest with you, the ref might have saved Devin in the seventh round, to be honest with you.

He was falling all over the place. He actually lost the point because he hit it. And I'm not disagreeing with losing the point, but it was a lot of saving going on. But if we're going strictly off points, I had Ryan winning by one point because I gave the last round to Ryan. And I seen one of the judges score scores out of that 112 apiece.

What I would say is this, and this is just my opinion. I would leave Ryan alone. He's not coming down to your weight. He's too strong. I don't think that you have the power to hurt him. And I don't know if you're willing to outbox him because of what he did

to you. Because it's mental. Right. What I would do is I would take a tune-up fight because that's the smart thing to do. And I would do Shakur because he's not a big knockout puncher. He's a great boxer. He's technical. He's very skilled boxer. He's technical. He's very skilled, very defensive-minded.

But he doesn't have a big knockout percentage. And Ryan's going to hurt somebody. I think a better fight and I think to me... Shakur. No, my opinion. This is my opinion now. Look, Ryan may be past it because this nigga just got

knocked out again yeah but selling the fight he knows how to sell it yeah he's a big puncher he's a big Walter Waite but I'm talking about

if he's willing to move up Ryan and Roley I think would be a good fight next just for Ryan to have a quick fight to wait and I believe

after wait that's the question though Ryan's not coming back down I'm trying to see. Because Roley... Roley is a big puncher. His chin is just weak.

I was scared when Roley fought... I would like to see Ryan versus Keith Thurman. Yeah, well, Keith Thurman, he come around when he want to come around, man. That nigga, he's not consistent, man.

You know, the world was in Keith Thurman's hands, man. I'm saying, but that would be an interesting fight. What'd you think, Roy? Ryan would be interesting against anybody

because of his punching ability. He has very explosive punching power. He's very exciting against anybody as long as he's allowed to also rehydrate up and feel comfortable. Apparently, when he's not comfortable, his mental is not strong enough to deal with it because that's why he said that when he had the rehydration clause, he couldn't deal with that.

You understand me? But you see him without the rehydration clause, he's a different animal. And even he said himself, he wasn't in the best shape that fight. And he probably wasn't. But he didn't have no rehydration clause, so he didn't have something mentally working on him. So if you want to fight Ryan, you got to fight Ryan, but you got to put him in a situation where you got something working against him mentally because physically

if he's comfortable and happy, he can beat most guys, even not in his top shape because of that punching power. Do you think he beat Thurman though? Honestly, Roy. I don't know. It depends on how big he can get and how physical. I haven't seen him and Thurman next to one another to see

how physical, how much, how close they are in size. The physicality of it is what's going to determine. Because both of them have big left hooks. But if Thurman is much bigger than him, then his hook is not going to have an effect on Thurman that Thurman's hook is going to have on him. And that's what's going to determine who wins the fight.

Yeah, so that's kind of what I'm recognizing with boxing. Anybody can beat anybody at a certain weight. That's what it seems like right now. You just got to put them at a weight that is to your advantage. Well, Floyd was a master. That's why he kept fighting niggas at catchweights. Even Canelo. You know, Canelo would sit there and talk all that shit.

Meet me at 154, nigga. You want to talk great, meet me at 154. Let's see how that let's see how that work out for you I paid you at 147 yeah no I'm saying he fought Canelo

at 154 but he had to come down Canelo running around here at 189 fighting so so so that being said

then they say that Roy Jones not the pound pound greatest how Roy didn't give them no catch weight he went up

Gage Henry 20 30 30 pounds and said I don't care how damn about no catch weight that's right I went up and gave John Reed 20, 30 pounds and said I don't care how much you weigh I'm just going to be at 200 bring him 226 or 235 it is bring that on

and I'm still going to beat you you understand me I ain't whooping catch weight for nobody bring me the best you if the best you is at 195 bring me that you if the best you is at 235

bring me that you whatever you you want whatever you is the best you that's you I want to whoop. I don't care about no catch weight because I was campaigning to be pound for pound the best boxer ever. Now, you go all the way up to heavyweight,

you win. When you lose weight, it takes away from you. Quite naturally, that's the sacrifice you're going to make. So when you go down to 175, you took off 25 pounds of muscle. No, you're not going to be the same. And you still use your heart and got through the first fight

with Tarver strictly on heart. You didn't have no energy. You showed your heart. You understand me? If you stop at that point, you go down in history as the pound for pound

best fighter to ever do it because no fighter has ever turned professional at 154 and became heavyweight champion in the world. Why? Because without them

doing these catch weights, they can't just beat anybody. I did that. So am I still not pound for pound the best because of what happened after that? They don't say Dan Marino not one of the best quarterbacks. They don't say Michael Jordan not the best basketball player. They don't take their stuff away because of what they did.

They like, but they want to take me and say, oh, because of this. No, now he's not power-pounding. Which one of them would have worked in my prime? None of them. So, you know what I'm saying? But it's all good. Let's go, Roy.

Listen, Roy, that's why I was the Roy Jones of rap. I feel exactly like you. You see where I'm coming from. You see what's worth it. When it comes down to it, who stood on the pavement and took whatever came up the block? You understand me? Whatever showed up on the block, you took that. That's power behind this.

Hold on, Roy. Now listen, I watched live when you beat Ruiz. I watched it live, man, because I ain't gonna lie. You was my favorite growing up for years. I said, bro, because Ruiz was good. I forget who Ruiz beat, but niggas was surprised. Like, damn, Ruiz is all right. And when you went up

the fight... Heavyweight, yeah. He won all the guys but niggas was surprised like damn Ruiz is aight and when you went up to fight heavyweight yeah he won he won all the guys that dropped Evander Holyfield legitimately dropped him with a

straight hand even Mike Tyson never dropped Holyfield Lennox Lewis didn't drop Holyfield John Ruiz

Riddick Bowe and I think Burt Cooper only three guys that really ever dropped Holyfield with a one punch shot and maybe James Hunter

with a body shot but to the chin only them three people. Yeah, so that's what I was saying. I'm like, damn, Roy is crazy. It's like, it's like. That was crazy. Yeah, no, because I was saying I watched the fight live and I was scared for Roy because I was like, this nigga, this nigga.

It's like one of them boxing matches like Rocky III almost when Hulk Hogan was against Rod. Like, he just looked really... Now, before you was Diesel, I seen it, but you was just smaller. And I'm like, oh, he fucked this nigga up. He fucking weaves up. So what I wanted to ask you was,

who's saying you wasn't that nigga? Who's saying that, Roy? Who's saying this, Roy? Who said you wasn't the best nigga, pound for pound? Who's saying this? The boxing community always still question who's the best nigga, pound for pound? Who's saying this? The boxing community always still questioning

who's the best ever. They still questioning what these faces... Because they see them TBT hats, them TBE hats, huh? And that's diluted. They're vicious. They forgot.

That's what the song said, man. Y'all must have forgot. Yeah, that's my shit, too. You know what I'm saying? Y'all not see what this man did? This man went from 154 all the way to the top. Nobody's ever, dead or alive, has ever accomplished that. And y'all say he's not the best power performer.

Dead or alive, Roy. How? How? Roy, let me ask something of what you're saying. You said they said you don't beat nobody. Because that's because you make them look like nobody. Not to cut you off, I asked him last week, boy, tell him what you told me. Yeah Because that's because you make them look like nobody. Not to cut you off, I asked them last week,

boy, tell them what you told me. Yeah, that's what I told them. That's a fact. Well, listen, Roy, I never, I thought you was the best when I was growing up and I'm a big, big fan. But you, what I'm taking there is real quick and I'm not trying to stir the pot or start a frenzy anything but it's conversation it's all great conversation

what you're saying is and I noticed you got a little hype yeah when I said Floyd needed to catch weight and that's when you jumped up and you was like yeah did I ever need a catchweight? So are you trying to say, basically, that you are the best TBE ever because you didn't have to do the little tricks of the trade. You didn't have to do catchweight. If you was a light heavyweight, that's where I'm coming to get you at. If you was a heavyweight, that's where I'm coming to get you at.

I actually seen an interview with you one time when you was commentating on HBO and you said, well, I left the middleweight title with Bernard Hopkins. He could do his thing in that division because I had bigger fish to fry. I don't got time for all that. Are you saying you are TBE the best ever? I ain't going to say it, but if you go ahead and look at the stats, what do they tell you?

Roy, you got to say it for me. I ain't going to lie. Hey, Roy. Hey, I'm the Roy Jones of rap. You got to say that for me. Hey, Roy. Hey, I'm the Roy Jones of rap. You got to say that for me, Roy. Come on now. I am. I am pound for pound the best ever because, like I said,

who did or not turn professional as a junior middleweight and became heavyweight champion of the world? Not Mike Tyson. Not Muhammad Ali. I got to be one of the best ever, and I'm never going to put myself up for Ali because without Ali, I would never start a boxer. So in my mind, Ali's always going to be one of the best ever and I'm never going to put myself up for Ali because without Ali I would never start a boxer so in my mind

Ali's always going to be pound pound to go because he inspired me to be what I became but without Ali I'm going to put myself number two yes

I am mad at you that's the list I got that's the list I got Roy and listen Roy I wouldn't expect none less because I was starting to get disappointed with you

I didn't hear the confidence that I'm usually used to hearing. That's what I was waiting for. You're too humble for me. Roy is very humble, but Roy just don't like to stir the pot because people think Roy hate on people. Roy ain't hating on nobody. Roy's just telling y'all the facts. Who else, like

I said, dead or alive, went from 154 to 200 to heavyweight and didn't give a damn about no catch weight. Y'all meet me wherever you best at. That's where we're going to fight at. Wherever you best at, that's where I want to fight you at. That's who I was. Whatever weight class you feel best at, just tell me where I got to be,

close to where I got to be, to make you feel comfortable. Because we want you comfortable. We don't want me comfortable. We want you comfortable. Because the power of power bad as ever, in his prime, he don't need to be comfortable. He's comfortable anyway. So make you comfortable, and I'll tear that as ever in his prime he don't need to be comfortable he's comfortable anyway so make you comfortable

and I'll tear their ass up that's who I was that's what I was looking for this whole time I don't know where this Roy been for two episodes

this is what we've been this is what we've been looking for for two episodes now last last thing Roy I keep saying last thing

but it was Roy and Jordan gear he was the first boxer in Jordan gear. Man, listen, man. Why? Why? Yeah. Come on, Roy. Why? Why? Yeah.

This is not for basketball, Roy. This is goats endorsing goats. Yeah, that's all it is. That's all it is. Thank you. No problem. No problem. Last thing I want to know, Roy, is this. When you got disqualified for that first loss of your career. Yeah.

And I watched that as well. And y'all had to rematch, you know, quick. Why don't you whip on him like that? He didn't disqualify you. You had to beat on him like that in that first round and punish that guy like that because you lost by disqualification. I felt that was bullying. What happened with that?

Okay, I do understand that. I do appreciate that. Let me start by saying that guy, you know, he a really nice guy. He understands now. Yeah, he does. He gets mad at me every time. I don't want to go back because he gets in the feelings about it.

The problem was, I'm going to keep it real with you. The problem was, not only did they disqualify me, but after they disqualified me, he was very disrespectful to me. He went and started talking about he was going to come to Pensacola, drive his cars around my city and do this and do that, like you really beat me. Wait a minute, man.

They gave you my title with your face in the map. You didn't really beat me. So it kind of made me a little bit, you know, gave me some bad taste in my mouth. When I get that bad taste, I turn into a different person. So I told him at the press conference, I said, tomorrow night or Friday, Saturday night, all I'm going to do is refight the last round.

Because in my opinion, he quit the last round. But now he don't have to quit. I'm going to show him what will happen to you if I hit you with my punches for real. And that's all I did. RP Griffin. Yeah. That was bad, man. Roy, thank you so much, man.

And we look forward to having you back. This is what we was looking for, man. Yeah. much, man. And we look forward to having you back. This is what we was looking for, man. This is what I'm talking about. We have officially our new box name. He's TBE.

The best ever, he says. Pound for pound, man. Thank y'all. Thank you, Roy. We appreciate you. Salute, man. On team. Thank y'all for having me. Good to see you again, mate. It's been a long time, bro. Yeah. Well, thank you, Roy, for being here. We're going to go to break. When we return, y'all for having me good to see you again it's been a long time brother yeah yeah well thank you Roy

for being here we're gonna go to break when we return y'all it's NBA playoff time round one game one we're gonna discuss the Clippers

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why am I in this woman way Welcome back. Now let's get into our Underdog Fantasy picks of the day. Today, the Lakers will play the Nuggets. Underdog Fantasy has Jokic at 8.5 first quarter points. Do you have him higher or lower at Mace? Higher. Lower.

Okay. LeBron James is at 5.5 first quarter points. Do you have him higher or lower, Cam? Higher. Higher. And Anthony Davis is at 12.5 rebounds. Do you have him higher or lower at Mace? How many rebounds?

12.5. Lower. I'm going higher, of course. Okay. rebounds, do you have them higher or lower, Mace? How many rebounds? Twelve and a half. Lower. I'm going higher, of course. Okay. Download the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too. So we have a lot of games to cover today. Clippers beat the Mavs 109-97 in game one. This was without Kawhi. So, looking at the

score, yes, we know that the Clippers won, but which team do you think is stronger? And then what is you guys' general thoughts about the game? I'm really not surprised when it comes to the Clippers. I'm really just looking forward to how Harden keeps this consistency when it gets to the semifinals. This is normally where he looks good. He looks good here, and he normally plays good here. I'm really looking forward to him being this type of player

in the finals or in the Western Conference final or even the semi-conference finals. I think as time goes on, something happened. I'm not quite sure what it is. For me, I'm more disappointed with Dallas. This was definitely an opportunity to steal a game. Kawhi wasn't playing. Yes.

And it's not about Kyrie or Luka. It's about the pieces around. Kyrie, I believe he finished with 31 points. Luka finished with 33, if I'm not mistaken. And that's what they're there to do. Both superstars scored 30 points. It's about Jason Kidd figuring out the pieces to the puzzle and stealing a game on the road.

And this was the game to steal because even though the Clippers have not been honest about Kawhi Leonard's injuries for years. They always lie. It's just that. Kawhi had been out for two weeks before the playoffs started, three weeks possibly, and is probably more serious than they're leading on. But to me, this was more about Dallas not stealing this game,

and I'm upset about it for them. Yeah, and I think if they don't get Kawhi back, they won't be able to sneak through the Western Conference Finals. Alright. Moving along, the Heat beat the Bulls in the play-in, eliminating the Bulls out of the playoffs. They moved on to play the number one

seed, the Celtics, but lost 114 to 94. Do you guys think the Heat will last? Stat, you love you some Miami Heat, Stat. I do when we're winning. Yeah, you look so happy when they're winning. You're like a whole different person.

But, you know, I think they're doing pretty cool. But, you know, all fantasies come to an end. I don't see them winning without Butler. They may pull it off for a few games, but they're on their way out. I thought this would be a real interesting matchup if Butler was available. Without Butler and without Terry Rozier, no, you're not winning. It's not going to happen. Without both of them, it's not going to happen.

I thought they would be really, really interesting with Jimmy Butler because it seems like Jimmy Butler pretty much knows everybody when it comes to playoff Jimmy. I think playoff Jimmy's a real thing, pause. But he's not available, and Terry Rozier not being available? No, I don't think the Miami's going to last in this series. And we have to realize we have Tatum, emerging superstar, Jalen Brown,

the Batman to his Robin, just got paid. But it's two other players that I believe that people are not paying attention to. And not saying they're not paying attention

to them. It's Porzingis and it's Drew Holiday who was just signed an extension with Boston to where they may feel slighted, especially Drew Holiday.

Porzingis, they've been saying he's going to do this, going to do that since Phil Jackson got him with the Knicks, and he's always hurt. He's never available. So now he's playing meaningful games in April and possibly May. And he might be like, yeah, now what, nigga? Especially Drew Holiday. Oh, y'all traded me for Damian Lillard.

Word. I ain't want a chip here. Bet. So now I'm just, I'm fucking a can of beans. Kick me to the curb. So I believe those two players outside of Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown actually are playing

with a salad chip on their shoulders. That's not their personality. But as basketball players, a former basketball player, I know when you want to prove something to somebody and prove somebody wrong. So those two players I'm keeping an eye on throughout the playoffs because I believe they want to show niggas,

yeah, you got rid of me. Now look, my opinion. Yeah. Well, did you mean to call Jalen Brown the Batman to his Robin or were you calling him Robin? I was saying me personally, I call Jason Tatum Batman, and I say Jalen Brown is Robin. Pause.

But I'm just, you know. No, you just said it the other way, so I was just making sure. Yeah, yeah. So I'm sorry if I confused anybody. I'm calling Jason Tatum Batman and Jalen Brown Robin, but Jalen Brown just got paid like he was Batman. Yeah.

That's true. I think a lot of times, and we move on, but Jalen Brown is really the Batman. That's a good discussion for later. And then I can't disagree with you guys' points. The Heat just doesn't have

a healthy team right now, so I don't really have high expectations for them. But if the Celtics some way find a way to lose So I don't really have high expectations for them. But if the Celtics some way find a way to lose, I don't think I will ever be able to take them seriously with that team because there's just no reason

why that they should not win. Okay, so moving along. You're going down the Celtics because you're taking on Barber Team Day, man. No, I'm just saying, like, if they lose, that's crazy.

Yeah. You were talking about the Celtics. I was, and that still stands. I still have a favorite team regardless, but if they somehow manage to lose, that's crazy. So if they lose to the, if they lose, let me speak into the mic pause. If they lose to the Heat,

can we just cancel this whole they got time stuff? Remember me and Cam was talking about that earlier in the year, Tatum saying they got time. They don't have time. The time is now. If they lose with this team, there's no more time. Yeah, ready to say it right here.

We cannot. I can't speak for them. I can't take y'all serious if y'all lose to the Heat. And that's my team. So that's saying a lot. Okay, so the Pacers lost to the Bucs

109 to 94. All 35 of Dame's points were in the first half. What did you guys think about that game? And then are you guys confident in the Bucs? Dame got his get back, I will say that. Shout out to Dame. Dame, you've been

listening to us. You got your name back because this light-skinned dude running around talking about he owned you and he got you on timeout. I'm glad you got busy this time. Yeah, look, before the game started, I was watching it with a few people, and I said before this game started,

Giannis is out. This needs to be Portland Trailblazer Day. This is your team now. I'm just saying for this particular scenario, we need a logo Lilit. And that's what he came out to do. You know, I actually watched the whole game. You sat there and you seen him wanting the ball,

running to the ball, begging for the ball, saying, yo, you know, he caught a heat check. So he wanted the ball. And I hadn't seen that in D Dame the whole season. Mace alluded to it throughout the season. And I never wanted to talk about it because, you know, we on it is what it is. We don't hide facts or anything like that. But I felt Dame did me a favor journalism wise. And I never wanted to cross any boundaries, but Mase said it, and the reason I'm going to bring it up now is because Dame said something about it.

So now that Dame said something about it, I'll talk about it. And he said it's not easy with the divorce he's going through and not seeing his kids every day like he usually sees his kids, and it's been really rough, and he's been out there without his family in a new city that he's never been at so it may be affecting him a little bit on the court which mace is called uh since the beginning of the season like i said i just didn't want to dive into his personal business but since he mentioned it uh it is what it is so it was really good to see him come out and be old logo Lillard and not have

to defer because a lot of times when you come into a team with a superstar, not just an all-star, a superstar, you're deferring two superstars trying to figure it out also sometimes can't coexist. So it was good to see him have a good game. But everybody had a good game. Portis was doing his fucking

thing. Middleton, they played a very Yeah, Middleton showed up. Yeah, they played a very well-rounded game. Sois was doing his fucking thing. Middleton, they played a very Middleton showed up. Yeah, they played a very well-rounded game. So shout out to Milwaukee. We'll see if they can sustain this and we'll see how the series goes in the next game. Agree. And then OKC beat the Pelicans by two points

94 to 92. Zion was out this game, but if he was in, do you guys think that this would have been a very different outcome? Nah, OKC is on a roll. For me, possibly. I've seen this game as well. They look like they have headlights.

What's really dope is that OKC, I forgot what a great atmosphere that city is in because you know that everybody wears the white shirts it's almost a college atmosphere yeah when it's play on i'm like oh shit i remember kd and russell westbrook this fucking city is dope when they're winning yeah you know it's can you know niggas get there and wear what what they want. Everybody puts their shirt on. It's a real arena full of white t-shirts. Yes. No, I didn't like the way that OKC looked to me. Like I said, I think it may have been a different outcome as Zion was playing.

But look, it's game one. They're young. They weathered the storm. And we'll see what happens next game. OK. Y'all know we got to talk about the Knicks. They beat the Sixers 111 to 104. Are y'all ready to say,

is this the Knicks year? Sin City, Sin City, Sin City, Sin City. Sin is going wild right now. The whole city, bro. Sin. The whole city is going crazy. Sin, you see, Killer got the Knick blue on with me.

Yeah. We've been Nicking it. We were waiting for y'all to come around. Yeah, we've been fucking with the Nicks. Yeah, y'all niggas just wasn't on point. That's how New York niggas switch up. Like you said, said they been fans yeah we been fucking with the Knicks for years

nigga how you think my nigga Ronnie Fee got the Kiff lover and all that the Knick Kiff lover first of all I have a signature from the NBA and Mitchell and that's Knicks diplomat joint

jersey legit shit matter of fact I'm wearing it And Mitchell and Ness Knicks diplomat joint jersey. Legit shit. Matter of fact, I'm wearing it. Wearing it on Casual Friday this week. I'm wearing my Knicks shit. I'm wearing my Knicks shit on Casual Friday. But look, to be totally honest, real quick about the game, because I know we're pressed for time.

Yeah. Look, if Joel Embiid didn't get hurt, I don't know what would've happened. I don't know if the Knicks win that game. But look, he did get hurt. And I think this is a good sign for the Knicks because you end up

winning that game and your best player, Jalen Brunson, didn't do very well. And think about that. When Jalen Brunson doesn't do well, he still has 22 points.

That's nothing to sneeze at. So you sit there and he has 22 points. You say he doesn't play. So you sit there and he has 22 points. You say he doesn't play well and you still win. So if he plays better, this is an upside for the Knicks. Joel Embiid will not be 100%.

Mace was calling this saying that they probably should sit him down. Yeah. Oh, he's going to get hurt again. Yeah. Well, he's already planning on playing game two.

Me, I'm not taking back what I said. Run it. The process ain't been processed. I don't know how I can't put them out there until they got to carry them out.

After this don't work, is Markel Fultz, let's remember, Ben Simmons, and now Joel Embiid. That was a lot of money wasted. Yeah, now look, Joel Embiid,

when he do it off the backboard on the court, I say, oh, but he fucked me up on the play. I'm like, damn, if Embiid, when he threw it off the backboard and caught it, I said, oh, but he fucked his knee up on the play. I'm like, damn, if this nigga was available for all 48 minutes, cool. He was basically a decoy after that the rest of the game. But he said he's playing game two, so we'll see how it goes. But I really believe the Knicks have the leverage here

because Joel's not hurt. Jalen Brunson didn't play good, and they still pulled it off. Of course, Joel's not hurt. Jalen Brunson didn't play good, and they still pulled it off. Okay, and the Timberwolves beat the Suns 120-95. Ant-Man was talking a whole lot of smack to his favorite player, Kevin Durant. Was this the outcome that you guys expected? Yeah, I mean, I was expecting this.

And shout out, I met this guy, Paul, from Minnesota. I lost my phone, so if you're watching this, just DM us. He said he wanted us to come to the Minnesota game. They was going to take everything for us to come watch Minnesota play. And shout out to Ant-Man. He turned his sneakers pink for you, Cam. Did you know that? I didn't even pay attention to that. For me, or that was the company that?

I got sources. Listen, nigga. You trying to sound like you trying to get me to go to Minnesota. Yeah, check the weather. That shit cold as fuck out there, dick. Nigga, Cellfish was crazy. Yo, hey, man. That shit cold as fuck out there, big. Nigga Selfish was crazy. Yo, hey, man, change the sneakers pink. Yeah, that sound like you need to go because you got the link for us.

Yeah, you told him, change the sneakers. He listening. Right. But, yeah, shout out to Minnesota. This is definitely a team to be reckoned with. They're young. It seems like they're really focused. And I hope they keep up what they're doing. Because that

would be a great team to see against Denver. I don't think even though I love Kevin Durant as a player and Book as those are two of my favorite players. I just don't think if they run up against Denver they could do anything with them. So I prefer to see Minnesota come out of that

series. To me, Ant-Man was the best player all weekend. Yeah. All weekend out of all the games. And that's why I said that, Murdo, when I said I was a little bit disappointed with OKC because I know it's variable pieces around. Of course, you got expertise with Mike Conley, Rudy Gobert,

Cat. So, Ant-Man has some good veterans around him to where SGA may not, but I stood the comparison I was looking at.

Yeah. What is SGA going to do after Ant-Man just did that? Mm-hmm. You get what I'm saying? So, that was my, huh? I don't know.

That's SGA. I didn't like what, I'm not seeing Ant-Man yesterday because y'all are too emergent to like I'm seeing Ant-Man yesterday because y'all the two emerging to me and with Ant-Man listen

he was talking crazy to Kevin Durant talking crazy to Bradley Beal Conor was saying little something to Devin Booker Devin Booker

didn't feed into it Bradley Beal and Kevin Durant was laughing I liked his attitude I liked his tenacity he went up and he wanted it more

opposed to anybody else this weekend to me. He was the MVP of this weekend to me personally. I like that shit. I like that shit. That man definitely had MJ vibes this weekend. He was looking like

this my league. And he wanted it. He didn't shy away from the moment. What I will say is this. It's hard to beat teams consistently. And Phoenix had beat, won this series with Minnesota this season. And the playoffs are not the regular season. They beat them three times to Minnesota zero. It was 3-0 against Minnesota.

So Minnesota came out and set a tone for the playoffs. I think the series is going to go based upon how the next game goes, being that Minnesota to me was like, no, our niggas ain't beating us four times in a row. So we'll see how it goes the next game. Like, you know, I like that about Minnesota because they say this won't be four times in a row, as opposed to the Lakers saying, okay,

we haven't beat Denver since December 2022. It's been eight losses in a row, and it turned into nine. And the Cavs beat the Magic 97-83. Do you guys feel like people are overlooking the Cavs? Yeah, they're definitely overlooking. I'm overlooking the Cavs. You said I am, not they. It'slooking. I'm overlooking the Cavs. You said I am. Not they.

It's me. I'm a part of the Niggas overlooking the Cavs. You don't like it? Do something about it. You know? Shout out to Donovan Mitchell and the other point guard, Garland, that's down there. They're doing exceptionally well. But I don't know.

For some reason, I am overlooking them. I wanted the Magic to win. That's, you know, my underdog team that, you see, I got the Nick Blue. But if the Magic win, it's Magic Blue, you know? So it depends. The glasses is neutral. Then it's Denver Blue, you know? All this is Titletown. Blue is a Titletown color.

So I really want the Magic to win. Title town. Blue is a title town color. So I really want the Magic to win. But if Cleveland win, I'll wait till they lose. I wouldn't go to a Cleveland game. Hey. All right.

Yes, I'm going to say I think people are overlooking the Cavaliers because Donovan Mitchell been hurt a pretty good portion of the season. And like, you know, they market superstars. So Donovan Mitchell, whether their record was decent enough to skip the play-in or not, and shout to them for maintaining a decent enough record to make

it to the playoffs and not to play them without playing with Donovan Mitchell for a lot of games this season. A lot of credit to them. We'll see what happens. This is a series where I'm not going to downplay it,

but it's not my favorite. It is what it is. Literally. Okay. And then lastly, the Nuggets beat the Lakers 114 to 103. Do you guys think that

the Lakers will be able to keep up? Nah. They're going home. They're going home. They're going to get a much-needed rest, and then LeBron and AD could really have the talk they should have had all year. They're going home.

Yeah, the first half of that game, the Lakers looked good. And early in the third quarter, they made a few mistakes. LeBron seen them making mistakes. I think D'Angelo Russell made a turnover. LeBron's like, come on, man. The momentum shift right there. LeBron felt that the momentum was going to shift. But trying to outlast them playing.

See, what I think is this, and it might be too late for this season Spencer Dinwiddie the Lakers should be using him how Denver uses Caldwell Pope and he got there in the second half of the season so it's hard to fit him in a rotation or figure out what's going on because you have Austin Reeves

or Contavious whatever what do you mean by the way they use him so I think that to me Spencer

Dinwiddie pardon me is not getting a lot of minutes he doesn't start and I believe that Darwin Ham

already has his lineup like they'll put him in when niggas need a rest or when they have a bigger lead or when they need to maintain. He's not really part of the rotation.

Yeah. And what I'm saying is I think he could be just as good for the Lakers as Coldwell Pope is to Denver. It may be too late in the season for them to figure that out chemistry-wise, but I believe he's that good of a player that he should be getting more minutes with the Lakers. But as far as the Lakers sustaining anything in this series, no, I give them a game. Y'all heard it here first,

but that is all the time that we have for today. Glad that we're all back in the studio. Yeah, man. Yeah, it's lit. Okay. I was about to ask you something. This is where I... No, no, it's lit. Okay. I was about to ask you something. This is where I... No, no, it's good.

It's a good question. It's a good question. They want to know... We'll get it top of the show the next one. All right, y'all. What you got? Spared you. Spared you.

Spared you. I'm out. I already know it's a lie. You're trying to lie to me. Me trying to lie. Me trying to lie. X-Cam. I knew he was trying to lie to me already.

I knew it. I see you when you show up we'll see you next time thanks for watching and as always it is what it is I'm in your point all week I know

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